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jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 01:00 PM
I am a raging gear whore! (mainly just amps) This cannot be disputed. I go through amps faster than Kim Kardashian goes through husbands!
Here are my latest conquests. First some background. I am the lead (and only) guitarist in a hard rock power trio. We play original stuff along the lines of Clutch. Hear our stuff here:
www.reverbnation.com/hawkinshill (http://www.reverbnation.com/hawkinshill)

I don't like dirt pedals for gain. Most I have used suck the bass away and leave you thin and lifeless. My quest for high gain amps began three years ago. Many of the usual suspects have evaded me due to cost issues. I have not owned any Soldano, Mesa, Splawn, Diezel or any other amp costing more than $1200. I have owned Egnater, Orange, Twister, Marshall and a few Vox. After three years of gigs, practices and basic home jamming there are 2 things that I have determined. 1) I don't like lugging around heavy shit. This eliminates all Marshall full box heads as well as any combos that weigh over 55 pounds. I currently own 2 speaker cabs. One 2x12 ADA cab from the mid 80's with greenbacks and 1 Avatar Vintage 1x12 with a Hellatone 60. I also decided that I don't like to constantly transport gear back and forth to our practice space which is a huge warehouse that my drummer owns. After lots of experience with various Orange amps I knew that I had to have an Orange because I just love the crunchy British flavor that Orange amps produce. I will use the Orange for band practice and most gigs. I got the Jet City on a whim to use for home practice. By the way I am a full fledged LES PAUL guy and I won't play any other guitar!! Now the reviews:

Orange Dual Terror: First off I have to thank BrettK7 from Eddie's Guitars. This is my third Orange amp bought through them and they are awesome! I love this amp!! I have owned a Tiny Terror as well as the new TH30 and I like the Dual Terror better than both of them. The TH30 had too much gain (if there is such a thing). The TH30 seemed too smooth and had a tendency to get fizzy whereas the Dual Terror is a bit chunkier and punchier IMO. The DT has 2 channels. The Tiny Terror channel which is exactly like the regular Tiny Terror and the "Fat" Channel which adds quite a bit of gain and thickness to the sound. I use the Fat channel for chunky rhythm and palm muted stuff and I kick in the Tiny Terror channel for leads. The articulation and harmonic quality to the high gain sounds of this head are awesome. It is exactly what I hear in my head. I was very surprised with the clean sounds from this amp. It is very chimey and articulate. It won't rival a Fender clean but it's good enough for me because my band plays nothing clean! The ability to switch from 7, 15 to 30 watts is great too! The master volume on this thing is incredible and it is easy to get high gain sounds at bedroom volume. Orange makes some of the best master volumes I have heard. Based on my history of gear whoring I know none of you will believe this but "this amp is a keeper"!

Jet City JCA22H

Based on the fact that I got this unit brand new from MF for $269 (long story) I have to say that this is the best "bang for the buck" money I have ever spent on guitar gear! This thing surprised the hell out of me. This thing cost less than half of what I paid for the Dual Terror but it sounds very close. The JC actually has more gain on tap than the Orange. There's a ton of gain. The first channel (crunch channel) is based on the JCA20H (which I owned for about a week) but this thing blows the JCA20H away! The crunch channel is great for mid gain and edge of breakup sounds. The second channel, called the "overdrive" chanel is pure balls to the walls chaos. It is based on the famous Soldano SLO gain channel. This channel absolutely rips your face off. I love it. This will be a nice home practice amp that I could easily gig with if I want a change from the Dual Terror. Anyone that wants a high gain amp for little money MUST get one of these. I would put this thig up against most of the higher cost stuff I have played. This is a great amp. By the way, the FOOTSWITCH was included with the amp!!! Nice touch Jet City!! Way to use common sense, something that other higher priced companies seem to lack.

I also just bought (big Xmas bonus this year) a Zoom Q3 audio/video recorder. If I can get this thing working maybe I can add some video and audio of these amps to my review. In summary both of these amps kick ass (am I allowed to say "kick ass" at 42 years old?)
Here are some real bad cell phone pics:

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu144/james149/dualterror.jpg

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu144/james149/jetcity.jpg

tennisplayer
12-15-2011, 01:20 PM
Hey jimmy....want to sell me your jca head? Let me know.

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 01:21 PM
Hey jimmy....want to sell me your jca head? Let me know.
You're a funny guy Tennis!!!! (seriously though stay tuned):rotflmao

midnightlaundry
12-15-2011, 01:23 PM
whore

tennisplayer
12-15-2011, 01:24 PM
whore

Tramp

tennisplayer
12-15-2011, 01:25 PM
I'm staying tuned to teh Jimmy channel.

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 01:29 PM
I'm staying tuned to teh Jimmy channel.
Wait til I get this Zoom thingy working....you won't be able to get rid of me......EVER!!!:bonk

dsmc80
12-15-2011, 01:37 PM
Wait til I get this Zoom thingy working....you won't be able to get rid of me......EVER!!!:bonk
:p

You have it bad my friend.


In fact, even worse than me.

inca_roads
12-15-2011, 01:58 PM
...I got this unit brand new from MF for $269 (long story)...

What's the story? Long is OK; we got time.

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 02:25 PM
What's the story? Long is OK; we got time.
OK, here goes. I ordered one of these from the MF "USED" section. The original used price was $319. On top of that I used their holiday promotion code "snowball11" which took another $50 off the price. This brought it down to $269. I was very happy with this.
30 minutes after I placed this order I received an e-mail from MF telling me that this item was backordered. WTF? How can a used item be backordered? So I called the MF customer service line and wanted to get this cleared up. The lady on the phone told me that the one that was showing as "used" sold at the same time that I placed my order for it. She said that I had to wait for another one of these to be returned before I could get one. I said 'BS" and had her transfer me to her manager. The manager was very nice and told me that she was giving me a brand new JCA22H for the same price as the used one AND she was upgrading my shipping to next day air for my troubles!!!

Major props to MF for making things right! I did very well!!:bonk

dsmc80
12-15-2011, 02:28 PM
OK, here goes. I ordered one of these from the MF "USED" section. The original used price was $319. On top of that I used their holiday promotion code "snowball11" which took another $50 off the price. This brought it down to $269. I was very happy with this.
30 minutes after I placed this order I received an e-mail from MF telling me that this item was backordered. WTF? How can a used item be backordered? So I called the MF customer service line and wanted to get this cleared up. The lady on the phone told me that the one that was showing as "used" sold at the same time that I placed my order for it. She said that I had to wait for another one of these to be returned before I could get one. I said 'BS" and had her transfer me to her manager. The manager was very nice and told me that she was giving me a brand new JCA22H for the same price as the used one AND she was upgrading my shipping to next day air for my troubles!!!

Major props to MF for making things right! I did very well!!:bonk

How do you like the amp?

I picked two up and modded one for my little brother. I changed channel one to Friedman's Brown Eye w/ saturation switch. He loves it.

The one I have to screw around with I haven't modded. I couldn't get along with channel two at all, but out of the box channel one was pretty fun.

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 02:33 PM
How do you like the amp?

I picked two up and modded one for my little brother. I changed channel one to Friedman's Brown Eye w/ saturation switch. He loves it.

The one I have to screw around with I haven't modded. I couldn't get along with channel two at all, but out of the box channel one was pretty fun.
I like it. Channel 2 (overdrive channel) has TONS of gain. It seems almost uncontrollable at times. BFG Amplification has some real good sounding videos on You Tube featuring their Doube Deuce mod for this amp. I may send it to them to tweak it a bit. I may also mess with different tubes to try and take away some of the brightness/harshness.
All in all it is the best $269 I have spent on an amp. I like it a lot!!

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 03:35 PM
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12-15-2011, 03:36 PM
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MRscratch
12-15-2011, 08:37 PM
i have a DT as well, and it is one of the best amps i have ever owned. i cant get over this amp. i like it better than my SLO i had for years. never expected to like a 700$ amp that much.

jimmyohio75
12-15-2011, 09:33 PM
i have a DT as well, and it is one of the best amps i have ever owned. i cant get over this amp. i like it better than my SLO i had for years. never expected to like a 700$ amp that much.
Got my DT brand new for $569 and I am stunned at how much bang for the buck this amp provides! I love it so far! Great amp! I want a Rocker 30 also! Orange makes great stuff!:dude

Guitarfool
12-16-2011, 09:07 AM
Cool amps and great rock and roll type tones. I had a tiny terror and it was cool rocking amp, i enjoyed it


The newer Jet City 22 is ALOT different than the original JC 20 head, with the second channel, the effects loop and the OD on that second channel is just delicous, it really is. Its warm, has some serious crunch and reacts to your playing. Theres some jacked up marshall and soldano 'mixed type tones' with the amp. Its night and day difference than the 20


Its a killer amp for the price, enjoy your new toys

jimmyohio75
12-16-2011, 12:20 PM
I think I'm going to break down and get an Orange 2x12 cab to go with my Dual Terror. I need to decide between the closed back UK made 2x12 or the PRC made open back 2x12. This will mostly be used only for band practice and large gigs (few and far between). Is it worth the extra $200 for the closed back 2x12?

brianr0131
12-16-2011, 12:57 PM
Damn you Jimmy.....You just made me order the Jet City :D

I did it the way you did....used....hopefully I'll get the same outcome. PM with what you said to them on the phone please

jimmyohio75
12-16-2011, 01:50 PM
Damn you Jimmy.....You just made me order the Jet City :D

I did it the way you did....used....hopefully I'll get the same outcome. PM with what you said to them on the phone please
PM sent....let me kow what you think after your JCA22H arrives!!

brianr0131
12-16-2011, 09:39 PM
How do you like the amp?

I picked two up and modded one for my little brother. I changed channel one to Friedman's Brown Eye w/ saturation switch. He loves it.

The one I have to screw around with I haven't modded. I couldn't get along with channel two at all, but out of the box channel one was pretty fun.

Where did you get the Mod info? Looking for ideas......

AXXA
12-16-2011, 10:45 PM
Congrats on the sweet amps!

Since you have owned the regular Tiny Terror, could you tell me if the volume is much louder on the Dual Terror?

I love my Tiny Terror, and it is loud enough to gig for me (so far). I have played the Dual Terror, and it sounds great as well. I didn't get a chance to crank the DT though. I've really been wondering if the 30W adds any significant volume.

MRscratch
12-17-2011, 02:06 AM
it is. the dual is pretty loud. It also has a sweet 30 15 and 7 watt option.
it has pretty good bottom end, and is just fantastically voiced. super clear string definition. At home its 7 watt 2 tube half power switch is just great. also for recording. im not sure , but it think it switches between pentode and triode, the takes out 2 tubes and switches P/T again. in any case the tone is consistent between all settings. i love this thing. It made me eat my word about 700$ Chinese amps. Its my go to right now. and its sisters are a Trainwreck express, a 69 plexi super lead, a badcat hotcat 100 and a victoria 20112. its in good company for comparison.
great amp.

jimmyohio75
12-17-2011, 08:37 PM
it is. the dual is pretty loud. It also has a sweet 30 15 and 7 watt option.
it has pretty good bottom end, and is just fantastically voiced. super clear string definition. At home its 7 watt 2 tube half power switch is just great. also for recording. im not sure , but it think it switches between pentode and triode, the takes out 2 tubes and switches P/T again. in any case the tone is consistent between all settings. i love this thing. It made me eat my word about 700$ Chinese amps. Its my go to right now. and its sisters are a Trainwreck express, a 69 plexi super lead, a badcat hotcat 100 and a victoria 20112. its in good company for comparison.
great amp.
Agreed......My Dual Terror sounds better than amps that cost 2-3 times more and I have owned LOTS of amps. Yes, the Dual Terror is significantly louder than the Tiny Terror.:omg

Guitarfool
12-17-2011, 08:51 PM
Is there enough room for a loop in the dual terror? I had 1 in my tiny terror so im guessing yes, but im not 100% sure

Now that i hear theres a lil more gain/oomph in a DT i want to try one out lol:rotflmao

brianr0131
12-17-2011, 08:56 PM
Is there enough room for a loop in the dual terror? I had 1 in my tiny terror so im guessing yes, but im not 100% sure

Now that i hear theres a lil more gain/oomph in a DT i want to try one out lol:rotflmao

Yes....only....because there are two phase inverters you have to "choose" a channel to do it on.

Hacksaw
12-17-2011, 09:00 PM
LOL, talked me into it.. I too am ordering one. I gotta try a DT.

jimmyohio75
12-17-2011, 09:22 PM
LOL, talked me into it.. I too am ordering one. I gotta try a DT.
You won't regret it! I'm going to try and post a video of mine doing some high gain dropped D stuff tomorrow (if I can figure out how to use my new Zoom Q3). Love this amp!

Hacksaw
12-17-2011, 09:42 PM
Awesome man, thanks!! Also, the Zoom is a great little cam! I love mine. I use it all the time.

dsmc80
12-18-2011, 12:21 AM
Where did you get the Mod info? Looking for ideas......

I have a Marsha and a Friedman modded JCA20H. I am basically copying what is going on with my other amps.

You can find the basic ideas behind what he is doing on several sites. I'd rather not give out specific values or anything more than that. Dave has done great work for me and what he does to amps is his own stuff. I don't really think it is appropriate for me to detail the exact schematic.

Good luck. :aok

brianr0131
12-18-2011, 06:53 AM
I have a Marsha and a Friedman modded JCA20H. I am basically copying what is going on with my other amps.

You can find the basic ideas behind what he is doing on several sites. I'd rather not give out specific values or anything more than that. Dave has done great work for me and what he does to amps is his own stuff. I don't really think it is appropriate for me to detail the exact schematic.

Good luck. :aok

Fair enough. Very honorable as well. I wasn't sure what "Friedman" really was. I thought it was some "old trick" that lots of people used on various amps. Knowing now that it's a current running thing, I kind of feel bad for asking.

I have a pretty good mod guy local to me that I'll probably deal with to save shipping though.