yet another ebay deal gone wrong.....

[Toneseeker361]

I was selling a PV C30 for 475.00.
A buyer wanted me to come down, said he was a single father with a 12 year old daughter, and times were tough for him right now.I told him if it did not sell, I would work with him.
We agreed on 429.00, free shipping, but no returns.
He gets it and says hes disgusted with me, that it is unusable , and WTF, you sold me a POS.
That thing was in mint condition, I mean man, c'mon.
He said one of the pre amp tubes was "blown", which tells me it doesn't work, then he says when he plays a chord, (which tells me it does work) he heres rattling.
Now Im waiting for ebay to decide who they are going to beleive.
I hear they side with the buyer most of the time.
one thing I have are pictures. I ask you, do the pre ap tubes look blown??? I was using it up until I sold it....
Geeez, what a way to spend xmas.
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4867-1-1.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4870-1.jpg

[JamesT]

I sold a Mesa and got same complaints tell him tp pull oit tube and put them back in. solvrd the problem om mine. Maybe tubes got messed in shipping I don't know but it isn't a POS and sometimes tubes get messed up in shipping. Just a guess, but I aam not amp guru.

[Toneseeker361]

I sold a Mesa and got same complaints tell him tp pull oit tube and put them back in. solvrd the problem om mine. Maybe tubes got messed in shipping I don't know but it isn't a POS and sometimes tubes get messed up in shipping. Just a guess, but I aam not amp guru.
Thats just it, He wrote me:"don't even get started on that 'it must have happened during shipping crap'"
He does not want to accept the fact that it could have happened during shipping.
He wants to get a tech to look it over and find out how much it would cost to make it usable again and send me the bill!!!
Or refund his money back and pay for the shipping to ship it back to me.
He says its got a bad speaker, the reverb tank is possibly mess up, it has scratches on it...
I think he just wants $$$, but Ill wait and see...my xmas holiday is in the hands of ebay now...

[mcdes]

when people use the "i'm struggling" card, alarm bells should be a ringing................. not always, but some will try either take advantage, or because they cant afford it, will do anything to get it for reduced or even free! lesson learned really. sucks though.

[Negativecenterpin]

Make sure you call fleabay when he opens a dispute, only way I was able to beat the dirtbags who buy and then don't want when they figure out they just went over their credit limit, or their wife found out.

Stand tall, don't give, don't share any more info with him. If he does win a dispute, he cannot make you pay for shipping, and he has to ship it within 5 days I believe.

[skydog]

and get any money out of your paypal acct and disassociate any cc or bank acct you have listed

[crgtr]

and get any money out of your paypal acct and disassociate any cc or bank acct you have listed

:agree

[jimmybcool]

How far did you have to ship it?

I hope this works out for you. Having to deal with someone who is either incompetent or a sleeze is upsetting.

[tamader74]

What amazes me, is the buyers of such items as a $400+ amp. emailing ANYONE with the ol' " Times are hard " B.S.,...They are the worst scammers, and you can trust, when times are good....They WILL still be having hard times....I'm sorry,But when I was selling off my guitar collection when my Cancer was deemed terminal to pay my bills ( and I was asking LESS than value on most ) , You would not believe the " hard times" people that conn-tacted me, and the I understand your situation and "Oh, by the way my son/daughter, grandkid sure would appreciate that"....I came up with a perfect answer based on a song from the late '60's that I want to say was performed by Clarence Carter...I would tell them if they could produce a birth certificate were their name was "Patches" I'd hook them up. In your situation tell the apparent DEAD BEAT dad to sell the electric 'git...buy the kid an acoustic, and quit looking at "things" you can't afford, they are just "things"............Oh yeah, and get all your money out of your PP account and disconnect your personal acct.'s, etc.etc.etc., ....

[Wesman61]

Ebay needs to end the option of partial refunds. They've opened a can of worms with that crap.

[moosewayne]

That's why I make absolutely NO exceptions in Ebay sales. Yep, times are hard. When things are a little better for you, I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding an amp.

[doublee]

I recently sold about 10 music items on Ebay that didnt sell here, all went smooth the only exception was a guy who said the mic I sent him 'smelled wierd'. Its been in a box for years so I didnt really understand that, like air it out for a couple days maybe?

And then he said output was weak....its a condensor mic and he didnt try a preamp I guess,

But I said, send it back for full refund anyway, despite 'no returns' specified.

Bottom line just refund the dude the money and move on is how I do it anyway.

[Toneseeker361]

and get any money out of your paypal acct and disassociate any cc or bank acct you have listed
done

[Toneseeker361]

I recently sold about 10 music items on Ebay that didnt sell here, all went smooth the only exception was a guy who said the mic I sent him 'smelled wierd'. Its been in a box for years so I didnt really understand that, like air it out for a couple days maybe?

And then he said output was weak....its a condensor mic and he didnt try a preamp I guess,

But I said, send it back for full refund anyway, despite 'no returns' specified.

Bottom line just refund the dude the money and move on is how I do it anyway.
yeah, what if I get the amp back and its all screwed up??

[doublee]

yeah, what if I get the amp back and its all screwed up??

Yes good point of course. I only put non complicated things on the bay, and will not ship amps, local pick up only,

This way: A) the buyer checks it out before cash exchanged and B) Do not have to worry about shipping damage. C) The buyer says it sounded weird when it arrived....etc

This limits your selling area but saves alot of trouble,

Anyway I would never ship a heavy amp nor an acoustic guitar, too much trouble, and also people should only buy stuff they inspect First, I have made some mistakes before and wont buy a guitar/amp off the net ever again. Too many variables when youre spending a couple grand +.

[RussB]

Maybe something DID happen to the amp during shipping?

[andybaylor]

DId you actually talk to him? Make him play the amp over the phone...

[kcassady]

I was selling a PV C30 for 475.00.
A buyer wanted me to come down, said he was a single father with a 12 year old daughter, and times were tough for him right now.I told him if it did not sell, I would work with him.
We agreed on 429.00, free shipping, but no returns.
He gets it and says hes disgusted with me, that it is unusable , and WTF, you sold me a POS.
That thing was in mint condition, I mean man, c'mon.
He said one of the pre amp tubes was "blown", which tells me it doesn't work, then he says when he plays a chord, (which tells me it does work) he heres rattling.
Now Im waiting for ebay to decide who they are going to beleive.
I hear they side with the buyer most of the time.
one thing I have are pictures. I ask you, do the pre ap tubes look blown??? I was using it up until I sold it....
Geeez, what a way to spend xmas.
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4867-1-1.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4870-1.jpg

You need to go to his house and beat him in front of his daughter....
I have no Tolerance for people like that.

[spyeman]

Amps are a bitch item to ship for sure.....look how those FedEx and UPS folks treat their packages.......oh and I'm sure they are wonderfully careful with a 60+ pound combo.........Guitar in a nice protective case, no problem......Heavy amps - problem!! The guy is probably bullshitting, and has a piss poor demeanor, but it may have indeed suffered during shipping.

[cruisemates]

which is why I always take the tubes out, number & pack them separately. Make hium put them back in. Then if something doesn't work you can say "It was perfect when I packaged it for you, maybe you didn't seat the tubes right."

The speaker is what it is - either it works or it doesn't. It is possible he just expected the amp to sound differently.

If he wants to take it to an amp tech I might say "I'll pay for any fixes that need to be done, but not a bench fee if it is in good condition for that amp." get the name of the amp tech yourself and call him first to tell him the story.

These are just ideas. or you could just play hardass and say "the amp was in like new condition" (if it was) and I'm sorry but I have already done enough "favors" for you, stranger."

[Toneseeker361]

which is why I always take the tubes out, number & pack them separately. Make hium put them back in. Then if something doesn't work you can say "It was perfect when I packaged it for you, maybe you didn't seat the tubes right."

The speaker is what it is - either it works or it doesn't. It is possible he just expected the amp to sound differently.

If he wants to take it to an amp tech I might say "I'll pay for any fixes that need to be done, but not a bench fee if it is in good condition for that amp." get the name of the amp tech yourself and call him first to tell him the story.

These are just ideas. or you could just play hardass and say "the amp was in like new condition" (if it was) and I'm sorry but I have already done enough "favors" for you, stranger."
both good points, thanks

[tripp2k]

This is a scam. Happened to me on a guitar I sold on crap-bay. The first email started with "I really wasn't expecting to win the auction, but I bid anyway..." to a run down of all the issues the buyer found with the guitar which, BTW, were clearly labeled on the listing. I had/have a flawless record on crap-bay that I wasn't going to risk. I refunded money and he sent the guitar back after we had agreement on the language we would post for feedback.

My daughter is now playing that guitar and, wait, plays better than I. Best "deal gone wrong" ending I could imagine.

[Scott Whigham]

yeah, what if I get the amp back and its all screwed up??You agree to refund after you receive the amp back in identical condition to what it was when you sent it. Tell him to send it signature required with insurance at his expense. That alone will stop most scammers in their tracks.

[RGB]

This kind of thing has become so prevalent that, unless dealing with an actual online business, I'm done buying and selling online.

Headed back to the local Mom & Pop's as much as possible these days.

[shrp11]

Anyone who's complaining about being a "single father" and "times are tough" shouldn't be buying guitar amplifiers.

Sounds like a scammer.

I wouldn't give an inch.

[daacrusher2001]

You need to go to his house and beat him in front of his daughter....
I have no Tolerance for people like that.

Or that anything he even said is true...I would bet he made all of it up just rip someone off. Happens all the time on ebay, and the worst part is, the buyer has the upper hand due to ebay's policies.

FWIW - whenever I sell anything on ebay I take dated pictures - I let the buyer know I'm doing that, and I'll even email them if he/she wants them.
I'm exceedingly honest about anything I sell on eBay, TGP, etc., but there are a lot of a-holes like this buyer so you have to do whatever you can to protect yourself.

I stopped selling small items after a couple of those experiences because I didn't want to get bad feedback over something small. Wasn't worth it.

[DGTCrazy]

When times are legitimately "tough", you don't spend $100, let alone 4 Times that amount. And the "Tech" he wants to take it to is probably in business with the guy scamming unsuspecting sellers.

I'd tell him "Sure...take it to a tech......there's a guy I know" and I'd bet he'd figure out another excuse and whine like a baby. The only crapoy part is knowing how stuff gets treated during shipping, and that theres more than a slim chance that something happend which sucks.

Me......I'd rather sell an amp for $250 in the Emporium than $400 at FleaBay. But I've heard of a few scams there too......

Hope it all works out for you.

[mixwiz]

If the dude wanted a good sounding amp, why would he buy a Peavey?



(sorry, couldn't resist. I'm a former beta lead owner in recovery)

[moosewayne]

If the dude wanted a good sounding amp, why would he buy a Peavey?



(sorry, couldn't resist. I'm a former beta lead owner in recovery)

Hheheheheheheh!!!!

[Toneseeker361]

You agree to refund after you receive the amp back in identical condition to what it was when you sent it. Tell him to send it signature required with insurance at his expense. That alone will stop most scammers in their tracks.
thanks

[mslugano]

I'll be honest...I recently shipped an amp head to a TGP buyer and probably could have packed it better and definitely should have removed the tubes. So, the buyer got it and one of the tubes was broken and he was not happy (because he thought I did a bad packing job). Luckily he had a couple spare tubes and as soon as he replaced the broken one, everything was great. I ended up refunding the cost of the tube, as I recall, and all was OK. I felt bad, though, because it probably put a bad taste in the guy's mouth on his NAD.

I learned from that one to pack amps much better and remove tubes (I'm not suggesting that you did not pack it well, BTW). Shippers can be brutal with gear.

[padavis]

This sounds like a scam. However, as a side note (and I have no idea how you packed, Im sure it was fine) I box like a crazy man anymore. 2 inches of home insulation, the heavy foam kind. Tubes out and bubble wrapped. Guitars and all of that stuff same way around the case. I mean, my amps and stuff should be able to take a monster crash... Sent a computer to a guy once on here and that thing got destroyed so ever since then I go way all out on packing...

[nnick]

The last time I sold a guitar on ebay the buyer said the guitar needed to see a tech because the neck was so out of whack that it was unplayable. I just had the guitar set up a few days before I listed it.

He wanted me to pay the bill to get the guitar "fixed". I said no and he should send the guitar back to me ASAP for a refund. A couple days went by and he responded that he took it to his "tech" and the tech said the guitar was mint and that he scored a great deal. He apologized and that was the end of it.

[Toneseeker361]

This sounds like a scam. However, as a side note (and I have no idea how you packed, Im sure it was fine) I box like a crazy man anymore. 2 inches of home insulation, the heavy foam kind. Tubes out and bubble wrapped. Guitars and all of that stuff same way around the case. I mean, my amps and stuff should be able to take a monster crash... Sent a computer to a guy once on here and that thing got destroyed so ever since then I go way all out on packing...
I put a flat box on the front and back, then bubble wrapped it with the large bubble wrap, and put in in a large box with 3 inches of foam peanuts all the way around. Insured for 650.00. UPS wont insure anything with at less than 3 inches of packing all around.

[Smakutus]

I put a flat box on the front and back, then bubble wrapped it with the large bubble wrap, and put in in a large box with 3 inches of foam peanuts all the way around. Insured for 650.00. UPS wont insure anything with at less than 3 inches of packing all around.

I hate getting anything packed in foam peanuts.. It's a total mess when you unpack the item and they don't protect things like a bunch of wadded up newspaper, packing paper, or bubble wrap would.

Jeff

[guitarmook]

I had a buyer try to scam me on an amp I sold on Ebay several years ago. First email was "it doesn't work." Second was "the tubes are worn out." (I packed them separately, and they were fine). Third was "it was damaged during shipping". Each time, I asked the buyer to take pictures or in some way document the damage. The buyer never did. Then "one of the speakers is blown". Then "this amp doesn't work at all!" (I was keeping ALL of his emails) I told him to ship the amplifier back to me, and when I verified that the amp had not been damaged by him, I would refund his money, and we'd split the return shipping. Then he said he wanted to send it to his tech, and I should pay for it all. I told him to send me a copy of an estimate by his tech for the costs to repair the amp, and include the tech's business address and phone number so I could contact them. That's when he filed a paypal dispute. I forwarded all his communications to paypal, and told them I believed he was just fishing for money, as the story kept changing, and he never actually proved the amp had any problems. It took a month, but Paypal eventually agreed with me, and I got paid in full. He got to keep the amp.

What I learned:
1 - Keep every email, and make sure they communicate that way only.
2 - Ask for documentation - pictures, movies, sound files, etc.
3 - Insist on being able to talk with their 'expert' - even if only to verify they're not just the roommate, neighbor, etc...
4 - Don't get angry, or at least, don't email angry. Stay professional.
5 - Don't sell amps across the country to people you don't know.

[geekocaster]

Thanks for posting as a reminder not to fall for the hard luck stories.

[Stringbender11]

I hate to say it as well, but hard luck stories do most often seem like a scam. It seems like anyone who tells you one has some ulterior motive. And if you think about it, most people dont really share info like that with a stranger anyway. It sucks that some people sink so low.

[Phoenix59]

Anybody who is struggling that badly had no business spending $400+ on an amplifier.

[Strathog]

Ebay and (ebay owned) paypal are nothing short of organized crime already and its getting worse....

[Bruceman]

Send ebay an audio clip and tell them that it was working perfectly.
Make them listen. Making a determination of audio equipment requires audio evidence. (Might work)

[Toneseeker361]

he won the case, now im getting the amp back...
We'll see how it arrives...
ebay remburses the buyer automatically, and i repay ebay unless i can prove i shipped him the amp as described.http://www.ebay.com/itm/260914555788?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649#ht_582wt_1270
here is the listing w/pix.....

[Staceydude]

I got hammered on an almost identical deal about 4-5 years ago. I learned a huge lesson.

Now if I sell an amp online anywhere. I get the daily newspaper, I take out the trusty iphone and video tape the amp in working order, I then pack the amp and video tape the critical parts of the packing process, Then take it to the shipper and take a photo of the tracking numbers etc.

All this goes into an email to the buyer to basically let them know I took the upmost care in packing and shipping and to not try and scam me when they get it.

Then I have that as evidence against ebay or paypal etc.

I have piece of mind even though it is a little bit of overkill

Sorry for your debacle, Hope it works out

[Toneseeker361]

thanks!

[FlyingDutchman]

Damn...That sucks. Looks like a great little amp too. I bet you get it back and its in just as good condition as it was when you sent it. Sounds like a classic case of buyers remorse. So much for the No refunds or exchanges policy. The ebay buyer protection policy basically turns the private seller into a Sears store with an unlimited satisfaction guaranteed return policy. Bullshit if you ask me..

[spitshineguitars]

If the item was potentially damaged in shipping, and you insured it, get on the phone with eBay first thing tomorrow, because this is bullshit. A UPS agent should be able to inspect it to verify damage and whether to honor the claim or not. I know they aren't amp techs, but how can he have won the case without this taking place? If it's damaged from shipping, you should get your money back. If he sends it back to you uninsured and he damaged it on purpose, you won't have anything to go on. He's making it a pain in your ass, turn the tables. Talk to eBay on the phone and fight.

I would videotape the ups guy rolling up to your house, keep the tape rolling...unbox, examine and test her on the spot. If nothing is wrong with the amp, you now have indisputable evidence that he is a fraud. You should at least be able to get him banned from eBay. Be smarter than the scammer. Good luck and I hope everything works out for you.


Also, I'm pretty sure people here are allowed to give out the eBay names of scammers as long as its not gear page related. I have seen threads here before. We could all add him to our blocked bidders list. Might wanna just check with the mods first.

[Seegs]

I was selling a PV C30 for 475.00.
A buyer wanted me to come down, said he was a single father with a 12 year old daughter, and times were tough for him right now.I told him if it did not sell, I would work with him.
We agreed on 429.00, free shipping, but no returns.
He gets it and says hes disgusted with me, that it is unusable , and WTF, you sold me a POS.
That thing was in mint condition, I mean man, c'mon.
He said one of the pre amp tubes was "blown", which tells me it doesn't work, then he says when he plays a chord, (which tells me it does work) he heres rattling.
Now Im waiting for ebay to decide who they are going to beleive.
I hear they side with the buyer most of the time.
one thing I have are pictures. I ask you, do the pre ap tubes look blown??? I was using it up until I sold it....
Geeez, what a way to spend xmas.
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4867-1-1.jpg
http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/toneseeker361/DSC_4870-1.jpg

Your deal with him was for no returns...how come you are getting the amp back?

Chow,
Seegs

[5ChordStud(ette)]

Anybody who is struggling that badly had no business spending $400+ on an amplifier.

:agree A few people have said this, and I could not POSSIBLY AGREE MORE! Take it from someone "struggling" in a way most would consider only "mild"...Thank G-d above, I have a career that allows me to make a decent income, have a comfortable home, all of the "things" I NEED to get by, but nonetheless am REQUIRED to budget EXTREMELY carefully to get by month to month with a husband who is in his first "real"=(income producing) year of building his bladesmithing business and working as his own boss out of our home...

This being the case, I cannot REMEMBER (aside from the horrible trauma that came upon our little dog when a stray cat came into OUR YARD where she was playing, BRIEFLY one evening, and MAULED her...costing us $3,000.00 in veterinary bills to save her life...WHICH we had to SCRAPE together!) a time where I spent in the last five or more years $400.00 on ANY luxury item!

No, someone who is "struggling" better prioritize better than to spend...$429.00 (!) on an amplifier, regardless of whom it is for or how much he wants to get it for this person! IF the story is TRUE, it makes one think perhaps there are reasons other than the economy and "hard times" causing this dude to "struggle" (as in, he has no CLUE how to budget and/or how to decide what is important in life)!

Very sorry to hear you are in this situation...I do so hope it turns out in your favor in the end...

[niersbach]

Did he send you a tracking number for the amp?? Dont be surprised if you never get it...and the whole thing just "goes away" If he does actually ship it, its at his expense through ebay, so I would guess there is a legitimate problem with the amp if he truly sends it back, as he is losing 50 bucks minimum in shipping, and doesnt get a dime from Ebay til you confirm you have received it.

[Toneseeker361]

Did he send you a tracking number for the amp?? Dont be surprised if you never get it...and the whole thing just "goes away" If he does actually ship it, its at his expense through ebay, so I would guess there is a legitimate problem with the amp if he truly sends it back, as he is losing 50 bucks minimum in shipping, and doesnt get a dime from Ebay til you confirm you have received it.
no, ebay pays the buyer back automatically...then I take it up with ebay and pay them or dont pay them...this is thier "buyer protection" the buyer comes out smellin' like a rose whether I receive the amp in good or bad shape.

[KCWM]

Your deal with him was for no returns...how come you are getting the amp back?

Chow,
Seegs

Based on previous threads, I'm pretty sure stating "no returns" in your listing doesn't mean anything when it comes to a buyer filing a claim. I might be remembering wrong, but someone seems to bring that up in almost all of these eBay threads.

[TheRockDoc]

I am so glad I have no eBay stories of my own- but hope it is resolved very soon for you!!

TRD

[evets618]

The buyer in this case is trying to get a better deal after the fact by claiming the amp is "not significantly as described".
The only way to deal with these louts is to get it returned (at their expense), telling them a refund will be issued when you determine the condition of the returned item.
This usually makes them go away.

[cap217]

I do a lot on ebay and have for 10 years. People scam like this sometimes and it sucks. But the buyer MUST pay for return shipping, with a tracking #. This cost $$$ and the arguments end there usually.

If he does return it, do like shine stated. Video tape the whole thing and open then box and turn it on and play it. If its working then raise hell (takes a while w ebay, but talk to multiple people until you get the answer you want). If the amp doesnt work then reassess. Probably a bad preamp tube that could have been fixed for $10. Someone might say the speaker is blown bc of the sound the bad tube makes.

[vibrolux56]

Just say no to peanuts! PLEASE!

[Toneseeker361]

would you all like me to post the video of me opening the box and playing for the first time? I think it would be interesting.
I don't like to slam anyone, if I get time I'll put it up as an example to us.
What do ya'll think???

[mslugano]

Sure, I suspect most of us will remain curious what happens here.

[mmolteratx]

I always take a video of me playing it, packing it and then driving to the carrier's location whenever I ship something expensive. Only time a guy tried to pull shit on me, I sent the vid and eBay ruled in my favor.

[MCK]

He wants to get a tech to look it over and find out how much it would cost to make it usable again and send me the bill!!!
Or refund his money back and pay for the shipping to ship it back to me.
He says its got a bad speaker, the reverb tank is possibly mess up, it has scratches on it...
I think he just wants $$$, but Ill wait and see...my xmas holiday is in the hands of ebay now...

Sorry to hear you are having all this trouble. Buyers like this make all others look bad and put sellers [rightly] on the edge...

Here's something I heard people try sometimes. Guy has an amp that is exact same model as yours. Its broken & in bad shape etc. Guy bids on your amp and buys it. Guy gives you all the crap you are getting.

Possible route A) Guy takes his old amp to tech and gets it repaired at your cost.

Possible route B) Guy sends his old amp back to you at your shipping cost keeping the nice working one from you. And guy gets a nice refund of course.

Sorry to scare you. I heard this scam a few times. Be careful.

[jimshine]

eBay has a system that started in certain areas early in the year, but is creeping through the rest of the site. It is a deal where when a buyer complains and eBay agrees to give them back the money, eBay takes the money and holds on to it, then sends them a shipping label to print and arrange to have it picked up. They must follow through with this to get their refund.

It really sucks and "no returns" doesn't fly anymore. But really, the only way to combat the scumbags that look to shave a few bucks off is to wipe out the odds the scam will work.

[HugalosPizza]

when people use the "i'm struggling" card, alarm bells should be a ringing................. not always, but some will try either take advantage, or because they cant afford it, will do anything to get it for reduced or even free! lesson learned really. sucks though.


That's good, sound advice. Weasels tend to hide behind the cloak of pity.

[Big B]

OP, the whole situation stinks. Hope you get some resolution and peace.

[Toneseeker361]

I always take a video of me playing it, packing it and then driving to the carrier's location whenever I ship something expensive. Only time a guy tried to pull shit on me, I sent the vid and eBay ruled in my favor.
Im iving and learning.

[Toneseeker361]

OP, the whole situation stinks. Hope you get some resolution and peace.
thanks

[mmolteratx]

Im iving and learning.

Ya, it's not something you should have to do. But I'm a paranoid sonofabitch and it paid off for once. :rotflmao

[Toneseeker361]

outta respect to TGP, and the buyer, ill post the video after everything is settled on ebay.
I don't want any legal chatter to start happening as I don't who exactly will be viewing it here...
Thanks....
just playing it safe.

[niersbach]

no, ebay pays the buyer back automatically...then I take it up with ebay and pay them or dont pay them...this is thier "buyer protection" the buyer comes out smellin' like a rose whether I receive the amp in good or bad shape.

This is DEFINITELY new....it used to be they didnt get sqwat back until they had a delivery return confirmation....they never had the refund AND the goods at the same time...

[cap217]

outta respect to TGP, and the buyer, ill post the video after everything is settled on ebay.
I don't want any legal chatter to start happening as I don't who exactly will be viewing it here...
Thanks....
just playing it safe.

I wouldnt worry about that. You didnt post names or anything. Just post the video. Or at least tell us what is happening.

[circusinthesky]

Do you know anyone in the buyer's area? I'd have someone show up with a camera/phone that does video, and "document" the issues, under the guise of setting a shipping/boxing estimate. Don't say he's a mate. Just a "shipper".

[Toneseeker361]

I wouldnt worry about that. You didnt post names or anything. Just post the video. Or at least tell us what is happening.
I havn't got the amp back yet, its been a week....hhmmmmm

[cap217]

I havn't got the amp back yet, its been a week....hhmmmmm


You should have a tracking # and it should be reported to paypal. I would cntact them. Paypal is actually very helpful, at least they are for me. You just have to know what you are trying to get answered and maybe talk to 2 different people.

[Toneseeker361]

paypal TRIED to get the 425.00 from my checking account, and I don't even have the amp back yet, geezzz, no tracking number, nothing...
as far as i know, the buyer has the amp, and ebay gave him his refund.....
I don't know for sure, but from the information I have, it's possible.
I called ebay back, and had them document more of my side of the story, the facts as I know them...I even asked the guy on the phone to zoom in on the pre amp tubes (the buyer stated they were "blown", then after he got my message on what "blown" tubes look like stated "they simply don't work") and told him they turn white, or smoky black when they go bad, and he saw that they were clear....I am aware of the other possibilities. But he is playing "Amp Tech"
I dunno, when someone rules out the possibility of ANY damage happening during shipping on an insured item right off the bat, that raises a red flag for me.
I'll contact them monday and see if it has been shipped.

[spitshineguitars]

paypal TRIED to get the 425.00 from my checking account, and I don't even have the amp back yet, geezzz, no tracking number, nothing...
as far as i know, the buyer has the amp, and ebay gave him his refund.....
I don't know for sure, but from the information I have, it's possible.
I called ebay back, and had them document more of my side of the story, the facts as I know them...I even asked the guy on the phone to zoom in on the pre amp tubes (the buyer stated they were "blown", then after he got my message on what "blown" tubes look like stated "they simply don't work") and told him they turn white, or smoky black when they go bad, and he saw that they were clear....I am aware of the other possibilities. But he is playing "Amp Tech"
I dunno, when someone rules out the possibility of ANY damage happening during shipping on an insured item right off the bat, that raises a red flag for me.
I'll contact them monday and see if it has been shipped.

You know, anybody that has sold an item on eBay can request the buyers phone number. Why not give this joker a call? Ask him where your amp is...what's the tracking number, etc.

This isn't my deal but it's pissing me off! I hope you get things taken care of in your favor. Like I said earlier, a UPS agent should have inspected the amp for damage BEFORE he was able to ship back to you. These things might be good for you if the amp REALLY comes back screwed up. He has to insure its arrival back to you. If he doesn't I don't see how eBay can rule in his favor and stick you with a bum amp.

[FlyingDutchman]

Im dealing with same thing now..I sold a guitar on ebay and when it arrived, the buyer said that it wasnt described properly. First thing he wants is to be compensated. Gotta love it. I messaged him asking him what he thinks is fair compensation. Ive yet to get a response. I shouldve just kept that damn guitar! I sold it at a loss and I felt that I described it perfectly fine. I should have known better..I guess my selling days on ebay are coming to end..Its TGP or Guitar Center. Craigslist has become completely useless in my neck of the woods..