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franklsferd
03-19-2012, 08:59 AM
Ok, so I bought a new Les Paul that came with Rhythm pro and Lead pro (Burstbucker Pros?) pickups and surprisingly I dig the way they sound. I read a lot of guys saying they were too harsh / bright, and I guess I could see how one could hear them that way, but I like the way they cut live, and with the right amp eq set I have them sounding warm in the right spots. Only issue I have is the bridge, where I'm kinda used to having a hotter pickup. I have a Suhr SSV / SSH+ set in a different guitar (SG) that I had a tech put a huge orange drop cap on the tone pot to tame the brightness. When I play the guitar with the Suhrs through the same amp with the same settings, it sounds like dull, muddy crap. When I play the LP, it sounds great, just not as gainy or lively as I'd like. My question is this: is it the cap making the Suhrs sound like doo-doo, or are the Burstbucker pros that much better of a pickup?

Nickstrtcstr
03-19-2012, 09:10 AM
Ok, so I bought a new Les Paul that came with Rhythm pro and Lead pro (Burstbucker Pros?) pickups and surprisingly I dig the way they sound. I read a lot of guys saying they were too harsh / bright, and I guess I could see how one could hear them that way, but I like the way they cut live, and with the right amp eq set I have them sounding warm in the right spots. Only issue I have is the bridge, where I'm kinda used to having a hotter pickup. I have a Suhr SSV / SSH+ set in a different guitar (SG) that I had a tech put a huge orange drop cap on the tone pot to tame the brightness. When I play the guitar with the Suhrs through the same amp with the same settings, it sounds like dull, muddy crap. When I play the LP, it sounds great, just not as gainy or lively as I'd like. My question is this: is it the cap making the Suhrs sound like doo-doo, or are the Burstbucker pros that much better of a pickup?

The tone pot cap can make a huge difference in tone. A few months ago my buddy and I were experimenting with these to help out his 68 Les Paul Deluxe with mini humbuckers. There was a big difference in the tone caps we tried. We used alligator clips to swap between different capacitors to get the tone response he wanted on his guitar.

Here is where it got really interesting; He mentioned that some people were saying that it makes a difference which direction the cap should be oriented in the circuit. I said something like " I mean really, a one way capacitor?". It sounded ridiculous like some Gear Page B.S. I started a thread months ago about the subject.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=954794

We tried and both had to table our skepticism because there was a big difference.

franklsferd
03-19-2012, 09:23 AM
Thanks alot man! I always thought the cap only made a difference if you actually used the tone knob. This would explain why such widely heralded pickups sound like crap.

EADGBE
03-20-2012, 01:40 PM
Sometimes it's the pickups too.

You could always bypass the tone control and or tone cap and see what a difference it makes.

franklsferd
03-20-2012, 08:34 PM
Yeah that's what I'm gonna do. Thanks guys.

Zingeroo
03-20-2012, 09:01 PM
Most cap types do have some directionality to them.
Those blue caps in the old Fender amps had one side marked for the outer foil.

fumbler
03-21-2012, 06:23 AM
. . . Suhr SSV / SSH+ set . . . that I had a tech put a huge orange drop cap on the tone pot to tame the brightness . . . .Might this be your problem? Those pickups are medium-high and very-high output respectively and should NOT have been overly bright. They would want 500k volume and tone pots. Check that. When the tone pot is dialed up, the value of the pot is more important than the cap. You might have 1Meg pots in there.

And you should really start over with a "standard" cap value like 0.022 μf. I also think it's worth a couple extra bucks for a paper-in-oil (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336713463&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5336713463%26toolid%3D10001%26mpr e%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%25 2F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5336713463%2526toolid%253D1 0001%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.eba y.com%25252Fitm%25252FVintage-Capacitor-0-022uf-PIO-022-uf-022uf-0-022-630V-guitar-tone-cap-NOS-%25252F300634121200%25253Fpt%25253DGuitar_Accessor ies%252526hash%25253Ditem45ff30a3f0) or paper-wax (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336713463&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5336713463%26toolid%3D10001%26mpr e%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%25 2F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Fcampid%253D5336713463%2526toolid%253D1 0001%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.eba y.com%25252Fitm%25252FVINTAGE-1959-60-ASTRON-GIBSON-LES-PAUL-REPRO-WAX-CAP-GREEN-LOGO-TONE-CAPACITOR-%25252F200723585549%25253Fpt%25253DGuitar_Accessor ies%252526hash%25253Ditem2ebc0eda0d) cap.

Jef Bardsley
03-21-2012, 12:45 PM
+1

Pot values have a lot more to do with the overall brightness of a guitar than cap values do.

Pots also affect the "liveliness", or resonance, of the pickups. For this reason I use 500K/500K pots in my LP and turn the tone down.

franklsferd
03-22-2012, 07:57 AM
Both pots are 500k, that's why it's puzzling to me. Don't know the cap value though, it's not written on the cap and the tech never told me, I just know it's an orange drop and it's like 1-1/2" long, longest cap I've ever seen in a control cavity.