Why is Fender Mustang Floor ignored here?

[Prosvetlen]

I tried to find some good threads on gear page regarding the Fender Mustang Floor and I couldn't. Is there a reason the subject is ignored here? I am not trying to stir a fight, I want to know what's the good and bad in that pedal. Thanks.

[jaxn slim]

Probably because it's so new. I tried one out at NAMM, and I thought it was a great unit. Perhaps it just hasn't had a chance to pick up steam yet.

However, I also wonder if Fender is late to the party since the other manufacturers have already staked their claims to the modelling markets. I know that I already made the leap to a Line 6 setup several months ago, and I'm not planning to jump brands.

[Prosvetlen]

I thought it was a great unit. Right! From what I heard on video clips, it sounds absolutely great. I need more opinions of people that have/played it. Thanks!

[birdie_in_texas]

I was hoping that people would find out that it is "more" than just the guts from one of the Mustang amps. For the price, it would certainly seem worth it.

[mwc2112]

I need more opinions of people that have/played it.

I think it *just* started shipping. I'm sure we'll hear some more soon. I hope... I'm interested too. ;)

[Proco]

If it sounds good this and the Zoom G3 will be a pain in the ass for Line6 and their HD floorboard units.

It's cool to see real improvements in modeling for the "average Joe". Today more than ever having good tone doesn't necessarily means expending a crazy amount of money.

[paulg]

I have two thoughts: it's the same price as the MIII. so, I think most peole will go that route. Second, compared to the Line 6 , Zoom etc the Mustang floor pedal looks kind of primitive. We'll see if it catches on with the buying public.

[birdie_in_texas]

It has an effects loop, midi, and is pretty small and compact..it looks like a clear winner from here, unless it sounds like poo-poo..:facepalm

[ltkojak]

I've owned a Mustang II, upgraded to a III, waiting on the Mustang Floor.

I've already ordered one; just waiting to ship to Europe.


As today, still not shipping ANYWHERE... :(

[BenoA]

Some clips posted here:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1049822

[mwc2112]

Picked one up at GC last night. Have only had 15 minutes to play around with it (blame the kiddos).

First impression is that the cleans are as good as any other floorboard I've tried. Definitely no shortage of Fender amps to choose from.

Gain tones is going to take some work. I didn't find anything I liked in the few minutes I had, but it's not fair to judge after such a short time, so I will wait to see what I can do with it first.

I just played around with the 1st preset and switched the amps around. It had reverb and delay in it and I didn't mess with it. They were quite good, especially for a unit that cheap. I have no idea what you can tweak on it, though, as I didn't make any adjustments to those effects.

The only 'stomp' I tried out was the overdrive. It's basic, but pretty decent. Definitely Tubescreamer-voiced.

Will work on it some more tonight and report back.

FWIW - I was using my Strat (Am Dlx w/ WCR SR SCs). I have a dual HB guitar (Ibanez Artcore w/ Mojotone wiring kit and WCR DB/GW set) and a dual P90 guitar (Fender Blacktop Tele w/ Tonerider Rebel 90s) that I will play around with too. My amplification was an RCF Art 312a and will also try through my monitors (pair of Yamaha HS80m's).

[birdie_in_texas]

Picked one up at GC last night. Have only had 15 minutes to play around with it (blame the kiddos).

First impression is that the cleans are as good as any other floorboard I've tried. Definitely no shortage of Fender amps to choose from.

Gain tones is going to take some work. I didn't find anything I liked in the few minutes I had, but it's not fair to judge after such a short time, so I will wait to see what I can do with it first.

I just played around with the 1st preset and switched the amps around. It had reverb and delay in it and I didn't mess with it. They were quite good, especially for a unit that cheap. I have no idea what you can tweak on it, though, as I didn't make any adjustments to those effects.

The only 'stomp' I tried out was the overdrive. It's basic, but pretty decent. Definitely Tubescreamer-voiced.

Will work on it some more tonight and report back.

FWIW - I was using my Strat (Am Dlx w/ WCR SR SCs). I have a dual HB guitar (Ibanez Artcore w/ Mojotone wiring kit and WCR DB/GW set) and a dual P90 guitar (Fender Blacktop Tele w/ Tonerider Rebel 90s) that I will play around with too. My amplification was an RCF Art 312a and will also try through my monitors (pair of Yamaha HS80m's).

Wow..!! you got some super nice stuff..!! I hope the unit ends up sounding and being great..! For that price, as compared to most of the others (except the G3), this is about half the price..!

Looking forward to you getting some time to play with it and maybe post some clippages..! :)

[ltkojak]

Picked one up at GC last night. Have only had 15 minutes to play around with it (blame the kiddos).

First impression is that the cleans are as good as any other floorboard I've tried. Definitely no shortage of Fender amps to choose from.

Gain tones is going to take some work. I didn't find anything I liked in the few minutes I had, but it's not fair to judge after such a short time, so I will wait to see what I can do with it first.

I just played around with the 1st preset and switched the amps around. It had reverb and delay in it and I didn't mess with it. They were quite good, especially for a unit that cheap. I have no idea what you can tweak on it, though, as I didn't make any adjustments to those effects.

The only 'stomp' I tried out was the overdrive. It's basic, but pretty decent. Definitely Tubescreamer-voiced.

Will work on it some more tonight and report back.

FWIW - I was using my Strat (Am Dlx w/ WCR SR SCs). I have a dual HB guitar (Ibanez Artcore w/ Mojotone wiring kit and WCR DB/GW set) and a dual P90 guitar (Fender Blacktop Tele w/ Tonerider Rebel 90s) that I will play around with too. My amplification was an RCF Art 312a and will also try through my monitors (pair of Yamaha HS80m's).

You won't get anything outstanding before working with FUSE.

THEN you'll get outstanding tones... even Dumblish presets using the OD after the preamp, or bringing any preset to life toying with the BIAS and SAG parameters, which BTW, just by themselves are worth the price of the unit, if you ask me.

HTH,

[mwc2112]

Wow..!! you got some super nice stuff..!!

Thanks! Really, though, the Strat is the only highish-end guitar. The other two were sub-$500 (the upgrades, of course, pushed that over a bit).

I hope the unit ends up sounding and being great..! For that price, as compared to most of the others (except the G3), this is about half the price..!

Well, about 60% of an HD500 (which I have now but am not really bonding with) and 55% of a GT100... and 150% of a G3. But to be fair, the GT100 and HD500 have quite a bit more functionality and the G3 less. So it all depends on what you are looking for.

Looking forward to you getting some time to play with it and maybe post some clippages..! :)

Yeah, I'll definitely see what I can do. Won't have much time, so don't expect much from clips, but if I can get some quick and dirty down, I'll definitely post it. :stir

[birdie_in_texas]

You won't get anything outstanding before working with FUSE.

THEN you'll get outstanding tones... even Dumblish presets using the OD after the preamp, or bringing any preset to life toying with the BIAS and SAG parameters, which BTW, just by themselves are worth the price of the unit, if you ask me.

HTH,

Eww...! That sounds awesome..! I have never had any of the Fender stuff, and have not read a lot either, but are the patches "save-able" and able to be posted and downloaded?

[mwc2112]

You won't get anything outstanding before working with FUSE.

THEN you'll get outstanding tones... even Dumblish presets using the OD after the preamp, or bringing any preset to life toying with the BIAS and SAG parameters, which BTW, just by themselves are worth the price of the unit, if you ask me.

HTH,

But does the FUSE software expose additional parameters not available in the on-board interface? BIAS and SAG are available for tweaking on the hardware itself.

[birdie_in_texas]

Thanks!


Yeah, I'll definitely see what I can do. Won't have much time, so don't expect much from clips, but if I can get some quick and dirty down, I'll definitely post it. :stir


Thank you sir! :)

[CNY Scott]

I am curious how the fender floor does with clean and lower gain sounds, compared to the G3. I also would like to know if the fender floor is fizz free.

[mwc2112]

I am curious how the fender floor does with clean and lower gain sounds, compared to the G3. I also would like to know if the fender floor is fizz free.

Clean and lower gain appear to be the bread and butter. I was able to get those very easily.

If you're referring to the general MFX fizz, then that remains to be seen. If you are referring to the fizz inherent in some of the amps, then I don't think that will apply here because I believe that is caused by something in the power section (which the Floor does not have).

[CNY Scott]

Would you say the clean and lower gain sounds are better than the G3's?

There was speculation that the LCD screen was the source of the fizz problem, because the mustang 1 and 2 dont have a LCD screen and they are fizz free.

[stratchamp57]

Would you say the clean and lower gain sounds are better than the G3's?

There was speculation that the LCD screen was the source of the fizz problem, because the mustang 1 and 2 dont have a LCD screen and they are fizz free.

For cleans, anything is better than the g3.

[mwc2112]

Would you say the clean and lower gain sounds are better than the G3's?

There was speculation that the LCD screen was the source of the fizz problem, because the mustang 1 and 2 dont have a LCD screen and they are fizz free.

I'm not sure that speculation was anything more then "I can see this is different, so that must be it". I'm not saying that isn't the cause, but I would be very surprised if it was.

I have not played the G3, so I can't compare them tonally.

[BenoA]

Picked one up at GC last night. Have only had 15 minutes to play around with it (blame the kiddos).

First impression is that the cleans are as good as any other floorboard I've tried. Definitely no shortage of Fender amps to choose from.

Gain tones is going to take some work. I didn't find anything I liked in the few minutes I had, but it's not fair to judge after such a short time, so I will wait to see what I can do with it first.

I just played around with the 1st preset and switched the amps around. It had reverb and delay in it and I didn't mess with it. They were quite good, especially for a unit that cheap. I have no idea what you can tweak on it, though, as I didn't make any adjustments to those effects.

The only 'stomp' I tried out was the overdrive. It's basic, but pretty decent. Definitely Tubescreamer-voiced.

Will work on it some more tonight and report back.

FWIW - I was using my Strat (Am Dlx w/ WCR SR SCs). I have a dual HB guitar (Ibanez Artcore w/ Mojotone wiring kit and WCR DB/GW set) and a dual P90 guitar (Fender Blacktop Tele w/ Tonerider Rebel 90s) that I will play around with too. My amplification was an RCF Art 312a and will also try through my monitors (pair of Yamaha HS80m's).

Congratz! I am "really" curious about that new unit. Each time I tried the Mustang amps (played the 1, the 3 and the 5) I was always kinda surprised at how they sounded good right on of the store floor.

So, keep us posted and at 300$, I bet you can't go wrong with all the options included in the "Floor Mustang".

[PITA]

Eww...! That sounds awesome..! I have never had any of the Fender stuff, and have not read a lot either, but are the patches "save-able" and able to be posted and downloaded?

Yes, "presets" can be saved on a computer and individually copied back and forth to slots on the Mustang, and they can be up/downloaded to the Fender-hosted site. (I think you may even be able to download and install FUSE and presets without requiring a Mustang, and examine existing presets if you're really curious to see it in action.)

There's also a backup/restore function to preserve presets en masse.

(The "librarian" aspect is somewhat rudimentary at this point, there's no facility for organizing presets by {author/genre/amp model/...}, they just show up for selection in a long list; copying between Mustang and computer is one at a time, or all at once [backup/restore].)

PITA

[PITA]

But does the FUSE software expose additional parameters not available in the on-board interface? BIAS and SAG are available for tweaking on the hardware itself.

The effect ordering is most easily controlled via FUSE (i.e., effects have a default stomp [pre] or rack [post] placement when using the hardware interface and there's no way to change that unless you start from a preset that's already using non-default placement [e.g., compressor after preamp model], whereas with FUSE you can freely choose the position of each effect).

I think the custom noise gate settings are also only available in FUSE, and possibly the expression pedal configuration as well.

You also get to choose your own colors for the stomp and rack effect chasses in FUSE (but for some reason they don't show up on the LCD, @#%!). :bkw

Apart from those I believe everything else is configurable on the MIII-V and Floor itself.

PITA

[ChurchChong]

Picked one up at GC last night.

You lucky dog. I'd really like to trade my gt-10 for one of these.

[OIO]

First impression is that the cleans are as good as any other floorboard I've tried.

amplitube has always been the best plugin of its generation for me, and amplitube fender was the best bunch of clean amps

i dont expect anything crunch or high gain from such budget units

but i was really hoping to hear more praises from cleans here

[mwc2112]

Had some more time with the unit yesterday trying to get it set up in a recording situation. And I struggled.


First off, the USB interface worked perfectly for connecting to the FUSE software. I was able to edit, download a firmware update, register to use the online features, and access the online user patches with ease. It's a really well thought-out interface.


But, I couldn't get it to work with my DAW (Sonar X1). I had installed the Fender ASIO drivers, but Sonar kept throwing up errors related to it on startup. I fiddled with this for quite a while until I said "forget this" and connected the XLR outputs to my interface (Focusrite Scarlett). Couldn't get that to work as it kept coming up with conflicts with the Fender ASIO drivers (even when I disabled them in the devices menu in Sonar). OK, so I uninstalled the Fender ASIO drivers and started Sonar back up. Um... why are half of my Scarlett input options just not there? All the even ones (Mic 2, Line 2, Line 6, as well as all the stereo options) were missing.


So that's where I left off because by then it was time to get the kiddos into bed. I shut my computer down, shook my fist at it, and decided I will try again tonight. I might need to reinstall the Scarlett to get my inputs back.


Those weren't the only struggles, though. I'll also talk about some of the triumphs.


I have yet to get a good higher-gain sound from it with my Strat (not metal, just looking for a good rock rhythm tone). I have gotten some really great clean tones. I have gotten some really great low-to-med gain tones with the 60's and 70's amps (Vox and Marshall respectively) as well as some of the Fenders (the Supersonic Burn-Channel amp is really nice), but they have been those airy Strat tones (which I love) and not the good grind-y rock tones that I know I can get with that guitar using an AxeFX, HD500, and S-Gear. Once you start getting into higher gain you hear some of the not-so-pleasing top-end you get on many other cheaper, solid state/modeling devices. Not really fizz, but certainly an artificialness to it. I am not sure how much is attributed to the preamp and how much to the cab sims. I will try running it into S-Gear tonight to test that out (with just the cabinet convolver turned on, no amp/effects, so I can use some nice IRs in real-time to test it out).

Why limit myself to just the Strat? Good question. I know the higher gain stuff works better with my HB-equipped guitar, but the Strat is my #1 and if it doesn't make that guitar happy, then I'm not happy. :D


Stomps -


I'm not very happy with the Overdrive stomp. It has that wet-blanket tone to it. I know it's a TS-ish pedal, but I A/B'd it with an analog TS-ish pedal I have (a MI Audio Blue Boy) and there was absolutely no comparison. Similar features of the 2 (the Mustang OD has TMB where the BB has a single tone knob), but the BB sounds more... um... organic maybe? That might be the best word for it. I am not a big fuzz guy, so I haven't really gotten into the fuzz stomp yet except to hear it on a few presets, but it's not a tone I find all that pleasing. The Mustang needs something in between the two like a Rat or MXR Dist+ or something like that.


The compressor is pretty good. They have 2: a basic and an advanced. I didn't really mess with the basic because, well, who wants to mess with just 1 knob? The advanced has 1 control I find essential that many are lacking: the threshold. But it's also missing 1 control that I have really grown fond of: mix. Overall, though, it's a very usable stomp.


I have not yet tried the wah.


Modulation -


I've only tried the chorus and trem. They are adequate, definitely good enough for live playing. Probably would look for a better plug-in if recording. Nothing earth-shattering here, but not bad either.


Delay -


Haven't played around too much with these. The digital delays are pretty good. The ducker works pretty well. The tape delay is a bit sterile compared to higher-quality ones, but still decent for a $300 unit (have to keep that in perspective sometimes). An analog delay sim would have been nice here.


Reverb -


Another hit-or-miss. The Fender Spring sims (particularly the '65) are good. I would probably use that one for the majority of my reverb needs. The room-sims (room, arena, hall, etc) are just ok. Haven't really played around with the plate or ambient yet.


Some other likes/dislikes -


In mono mode you can assign the L/R output modes independently. So Left could go to PA (w/ cab sim) and Right could go to an amp (w/o cab sim). This is a great feature that should be on every MFX unit. There are 3 basic output types: PA, combo, stack and within those there are 3 additional (for 4 total of each) tweaks: +bass, +treble, mid-scoop to tweak for your particular output type. While nice, I think a global EQ would have been better (even if it had just been a simple TMB). Also, there are no separate inputs for the amp-type outputs to differentiate between plugging into the front of your amp or direct to the poweramp.


You can have 4 effects (plus the amp) active at once. They may be placed before or after the amp in any order which is really nice. But, it would have been nice to have allowed multiple instances of the same block (even if you were still limited to 4 total) so you don't have to decide, for example, between overdrives, wahs, and compressors.


A big (nay, huge) dislike is the lack of an EQ block. Not sure I really need to elaborate on that one.

FX-loop. Another swing-and-a-miss. Well, not complete miss. The fact that there is one and it is switchable in manual mode is great. The fact that it is hardwired between the input and the 1st effect block (like the Tonelabs) is disappointing.

So, still a work in progress, but at this point I am skeptical that it will replace the HD500. Still more to do and will try to get my recording setup back online tonight.

[Prosvetlen]

mwc2112, a very thorough review, thank you!

[BenoA]

mwc2112, a very thorough review, thank you!

+1 Thanks!

[mwc2112]

You're quite welcome. I still plan on getting a couple clips out there when I get my stuff reconfigured. I'm sure it's something stupid I'm doing. ;)

[birdie_in_texas]

Whoof..looks like a swing and a miss so far..:(

I was hoping for something "amazing" as this is one of the few things that I could probably afford.. :(

Oh well..c'mon lottery..! :)

[BenoA]

Whoof..looks like a swing and a miss so far..:(

I was hoping for something "amazing" as this is one of the few things that I could probably afford.. :(

same here...

[mwc2112]

Whoof..looks like a swing and a miss so far..:(

I was hoping for something "amazing" as this is one of the few things that I could probably afford.. :(

Oh well..c'mon lottery..! :)

I think it will fare much better with HBs for the gain sounds. And, really, I would take anything I have said so far with a grain of salt... there is still more tweaking to be done. Stay tuned. :munch

[ltkojak]

A big (nay, huge) dislike is the lack of an EQ block. Not sure I really need to elaborate on that one.

I, for one, being the owner of a Mustang III, would like to know what do you mean with "EQ block".

An output master EQ, is that what you mean...? :dunno

Inquiring minds would like to know. ;)

[mwc2112]

I, for one, being the owner of a Mustang III, would like to know what do you mean with "EQ block".

An output master EQ, is that what you mean...? :dunno

Inquiring minds would like to know. ;)

Well, yeah, that would be nice (a global EQ).

But I meant more like having, say, an EQ pedal you can place in your chain on a per-patch basis. Graphical or parametric.

[ltkojak]

Well, yeah, that would be nice (a global EQ).

But I meant more like having, say, an EQ pedal you can place in your chain on a per-patch basis. Graphical or parametric.

Oh, I see.

In the 40+ years as a player I've never had use for one Live. Never owned one either.

In the studio, the mixer's EQ is plenty for my needs... but yeah, it would've been nice at least to have the possibility... maybe in the future, with some firmware update?

I'm all for it. You never know... ;)

[mwc2112]

OK, here's a real quick clip of the 70's (Marshall-style) amp. It's the same rhythm riff (from the tune Subdivisions) repeated 4 times. The first 2 were with the Strat. First with just amp, second with an OD pedal kicked in for some added gain. The next 2 riffs were from an HB-equipped guitar (Ibanez Artcore using bridge WCR Godwood). Same thing (first amp, then amp+OD).

I will say, I'm getting a bit better gain tones tonight then I was last night which I based my above review on. Still not that crazy about the OD (which will be more evident when I pair it with a clean amp later or tomorrow... once again, time to get kids to bed and my office is right across the hall, so no playing after bedtime).

http://soundcloud.com/matthew-conway/mustang-floor-70s-amp-test

[ltkojak]

I'm getting a bit better gain tones tonight then I was last night which I based my above review on.

Try this: choose your model, change the speakers to 212C, go to Advanced Amp, set the SAG at minimum, set the BIAS at maximum.

NOW you can start to work the gain first, then the EQ. If you still want an OD, try the one AFTER the preamp. This one really makes your patch sing.

Tell me what you think of this tip, if you don't mind... ;)

[mwc2112]

Thanks for the suggestions! I have played around with the sag and bias. The sag at minimum was too harsh on the high end, but that was with the 4x12G cab (which I used in the clip), so I will try it with the 2x12C. I had sag at the midway point for this clip. The bias was, IIRC, at about +25% (for those unfamiliar with that parameter, it ranges from -50% to +50%, so I was about halfway into the positive range). Anyway, I will try your settings this evening.

I haven't liked the OD after the amp yet, but will continue to work with it. I got that 'blanket over speaker' effect using it that way.

Are you basing your suggestions from experience with the floor unit or do you have the Mustang amp? I'm thinking the power section and speaker in the amp probably make a big difference in comparison with the floor unit. If you're using the amp, have you tried it direct to an FRFR system with these suggested settings?

Thanks again and, please, keep the suggestions coming! They are most appreciated. :)

[ltkojak]

Are you basing your suggestions from experience with the floor unit or do you have the Mustang amp?)

I've stated earlier in this thread I'm the owner of a fizz-free Mustang III with an Eminence Tonkerlite speaker.

These settings for SAG, BIAS and speaker are my standard, as they work wonderfully with all the models present in this amp.

Most of my presets use the Twin model together with the '63 spring reverb. Using the OD after the preamp I've gotten some nice dumble-esque lead sounds loosely based on Robben Ford's lead tone in his "Supernatural" CD.

Once I get the Mustang Foor, I'll tweak the presets and I'll probably share'em on the FUSE Community.

HTH,

[mwc2112]

I've stated earlier in this thread I'm the owner of a fizz-free Mustang III with an Eminence Tonkerlite speaker.

Sorry, I should have gone back and reread to find that out. Apologies.

These settings for SAG, BIAS and speaker are my standard, as they work wonderfully with all the models present in this amp.

Most of my presets use the Twin model together with the '63 spring reverb. Using the OD after the preamp I've gotten some nice dumble-esque lead sounds loosely based on Robben Ford's lead tone in his "Supernatural" CD.

Once I get the Mustang Foor, I'll tweak the presets and I'll probably share'em on the FUSE Community.

HTH,

Thanks! I'm sure having a real speaker helps a ton. I did try disabling the cab sims and use S-Gear's convolver for just the cabinets and it was a significant difference for the better IMO (the 70's amp into an Ownhammer M75 cab was particularly tasty). I think you might find the floor model into an FRFR will be somewhat different then having the amp with it's own power section running into a traditional guitar speaker. But I'm sure you'll have better luck then I since you are more familiar with the preamp settings.

I just re-listened to the clip with some headphones and don't like it at all. Sounded much better on my monitors, still sounds like a wet blanket with my mid-grade earbuds.

[ltkojak]

I'm sure you'll have better luck then I since you are more familiar with the preamp settings...

Well, being a pro for over thirty years and a (former) recording studio owner for five certainly had helped a little bit... ;)

Don't skimp on the monitor system, as there are some very good sounding ones that won't break the bank. I currently use a couple of these ones and I'm quite happy with the outcome.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B2030A.aspx

HTH,

[mwc2112]

Ah, I figured from your posts you had at least some professional experience... turns out you have quite a lot! :cool:

As for the monitor, I have a set of Yamaha HS80Ms. I also have an RCF Art 312A powered speaker.

[Soul Man]

Hey guys,
Any updates on your Mustang Floor experiences?

I played one the other day and loved it but having FUSE available makes the possibilities endless.

A very affordable, very cool product.

[ltkojak]

If the Mustang Floor could load IRs, it would be unbeatable!

The cabs could be a bit better... not that I'm complaining, though! ;)

[Soul Man]

If the Mustang Floor could load IRs, it would be unbeatable!

The cabs could be a bit better... not that I'm complaining, though! ;)

O.k., what's an IR? :huh

Also, did you upload any of your patches to the FUSE library?

[mikah912]

IR = Impulse Response

Essentially, customized, high-quality cabinet/mic sims.

[jay42]

Sweetwater is showing it at $199...just thought I should mention it.

[birdie_in_texas]

and zzounds will beat it and make it $193..! :)

[ltkojak]

O.k., what's an IR? :huh?

IR = Impulse Response

Essentially, customized, high-quality cabinet/mic sims

Also, did you upload any of your patches to the FUSE library?

No, never got around to upload any preset to the FUSE Community... sorry! :huh :bonk

[3dognate]

I had some rewards cash from a CC sitting around.... So using that I dropped for a Mustang Floor today... I've been running too long without a backup.... (Says great things about the GSP1101's reliability)

This little guy appears to have a decent switch layout so I look forward to giving it a quick run through... might even try an upcoming gig with it and see what happens.

[pomfret]

I got mine yesterday, after selling my HD500.

Very easy to get good sounds of it, very easy interface, and very good sound in monitor or to amp without amp sims. No need to read the manual. Did I say easy?:bonk

After two years trying to get usable sounds of the HD500 (and getting them), the Mustang is a relief. Coming from Axe, I don't find the POD difficult to use, what I found difficult was getting good sounds out of it.

I'm no Line 6 lover or hater; in the last 14 years I have had almost every modeler and, for me, the Mustang is on par with everything in its price range, if not better.:JAM

[stratchamp57]

How long has it been $199? I remember it being $299 not too long ago... Might have to pick one up sometime...

[BenoA]

Still 299$ in Canada... And both currencies are equal at the moment. Ah well... :huh

[resonator48]

I got mine yesterday, after selling my HD500.

Very easy to get good sounds of it, very easy interface, and very good sound in monitor or to amp without amp sims. No need to read the manual. Did I say easy?:bonk

After two years trying to get usable sounds of the HD500 (and getting them), the Mustang is a relief. Coming from Axe, I don't find the POD difficult to use, what I found difficult was getting good sounds out of it.

I'm no Line 6 lover or hater; in the last 14 years I have had almost every modeler and, for me, the Mustang is on par with everything in its price range, if not better.:JAM

How are you feeling about the Mustang Floor now that you've had some time with it?

Has anyone compared it to the Eleven Rack?

[pomfret]

Still haven't got much time to spend with it, but anyway...

There's a couple of excellent clean simulations (Twin and Deluxe), and for gain I'm using the AC30 with the gain crancked to max, instead of Marshall or Supersonic, which would be the obvious choices. I don't use high-gain, so can't talk much about it, although Supersonic has lots of gain.:dude

Middle gain (Bassman) it's ok at bedroom levels but gets a little lost in the mix alive, even with mids maximized. Overdrive stomp it's almost unusable for me, soooo obscure even with highs at 10. Not bad sounding, but too obscure when gain is reduced.

I think it's a very good unit for clean and crunch sounds, although effects are its weakest point (still haven't found a chorus I can use). This can be fixed with some pedals through external loop, although it shouldn't be that way.
Delays are good and verbs are excellent.

Easy of use, as I've said before, it's only on par with the G3. Next week I'll begin rehearsals for a new musical in a pit theatre, and I'll only use the Mustang, amps are not allowed. I'm sure it will get the job done with very good results.:dude

[birdie_in_texas]

How are you feeling about the Mustang Floor now that you've had some time with it?

Has anyone compared it to the Eleven Rack?

The Fender Floor is not comparable to the 11R at all IMHO. I have spent several hours with it and it just even barely compares with the G3, but only in the "clean" department. There is no high-gain at all in the Floor, but the clean stuff does sound better than the G3's but not as good as the cleans in the 11R, but to be honest, I am not a "clean" guy, so you might love it..but for everything else, the G3 wipes the floor with the Fender unit, which sux because I wanted to get one to use as a foot controller for my 11R..! hahahah

Is a bit of a disappointment really..I was expecting a LOT more from the unit, which probably explains the lack of sales and the giant price drop on them..but yeah, the Fender Floor is not in the ballpark with the 11R..

[socalscott]

Got one and I'm OK with $199 invested. Well, I'm getting no where with connecting to my PC and it is not a small problem. Not sure I will keep it as it needs tweaking, the software is not functioning and that means no downloads from other users.
Not stable for pc usage. Some ppl are fine one day and the next, no access to software.

[ltkojak]

Got one and I'm OK with $199 invested. Well, I'm getting no where with connecting to my PC and it is not a small problem. Not sure I will keep it as it needs tweaking, the software is not functioning and that means no downloads from other users.
Not stable for pc usage. Some ppl are fine one day and the next, no access to software.

I bought a M III when they first came out and I traded it for a M Floor.

I'm on a PC as well, and I've never, ever had any of the issues you're complaining about. Went through several firmware updates running as smooth as a baby's rump, and I can perfectly download and install any user preset published in Fender's site using the FUSE software.

Sorry man, if you're having malfunctions in your system, you just can't blame it on either the FUSE software or hardware unit.

HTH,

[Soul Man]

I love mine, no issues running it with FUSE on both a Mac and PC.

[pomfret]

As you can read on Fender Forum, there have been some issues when trying to update Mustang's firmware.

Try to disconnect all audio devices from usb and firewire ports, and see if it works. I almost went crazy trying to update it, it got frozen without aparent reason, until I found this solution.

Good luck!

[stratzrus]

Is there a reason the subject is ignored here?It doesn't cost enough.

If it was priced over $2K we'd all be talking about it. ;)

Personally, I think the Mustang Floor puts the KPA to shame and even gives the Axe FX a run for its money. Much better tone at a fraction of the price.

Hopefully that will give it the rightful recognition it deserves. :)

[DRS]

It doesn't cost enough.

If it was priced over $2K we'd all be talking about it. ;)

Personally, I think the Mustang Floor puts the KPA to shame and even gives the Axe FX a run for its money. Much better tone at a fraction of the price.

Hopefully that will give it the rightful recognition it deserves. :)
How does it compare to the HD500?

[MollyPolly]

How does it compare to the HD500?

I was very close to pulling the trigger on a Mustang Floor after they dropped the price to $199.

But no looper and the lack of routing flexibility killed the deal for me.

I was able to find a used HD500 for $275, and for me anyway, the versatility and flexibility of the HD500 are unmatched.

Having said that, I mainly use it for effects and looping, and occasionally for direct to desk amp modeling.

I guess it all depends on your particular needs.

[donbarzini]

I still want to try one. I really liked the Mustang III Combo but the buzz artifacts killed it for me. Does the Mustang Floor exhibit this?

[ltkojak]

I really liked the Mustang III Combo but the buzz artifacts killed it for me. Does the Mustang Floor exhibit this?

I own one, no "fizz" at all.

HTH,

[3dognate]

I own one, no "fizz" at all.

HTH,

No fizz here either...

The Fender models are some of the better I've heard... Easily on par with the HD500... better than my GSP1101 and GT-10

The Masrhall and Boogie models aren't quite as good but get pretty decent real quick with you start playing with the bias and sag master controls and pick the right cab.

[Elric]

Is there a reason the subject is ignored here?
It's far too inexpensive.

They should have MSRPed it @ $1999.

I'm serious.

[mpr]

No one was ignoring the G3 at $200 (or $170).

[Eagle1]

Because it sounds so ordinary and brings nothing new or better.

[mattball826]

dont start comparing it to high end modelers this place explodes.

imo i think it is a great value for the money. needs some work though on making the cabinets more room sounding. same problem for all budget gear.

this one similar in sound to tonelab le.

[Soul Man]

this one similar in sound to tonelab le.

I agree. I had the LE and I think the Mustang sounds as good if not better and in my opinion, it's WAY easier to use.