Is there a point to being a Hipster? I'm sorry I just don't get it...

[Whogo]

There are self absorbed idiots in all groups. I dont think the percentage of hipsters that are self absorbed idiots is greater than the general population.

Exactly.

[rob2001]

I don't know man....there is a lot of shit I don't get but learning to not let it bug me makes for a happier me.

[phillygtr]

Plenty of hipsters here west philly. Cool thanks for the good coffee and bike shops.

What I want to know is who are these 20-something nomadic/sometimes squatters/dirty clothes/begging on the side of the road/dreads/combat boots/dog with a bandana people? I see them everywhere. I would say they're homeless but I don't think they've lost their homes or suffered some financial catastrophe. I believe they are part of some scene and chose this lifestyle.

[rob2001]

What I want to know is who are these 20-something nomadic/sometimes squatters/dirty clothes/begging on the side of the road/dreads/combat boots/dog with a bandana people? I see them everywhere. I would say they're homeless but I don't think they've lost their homes or suffered some financial catastrophe. I believe they are part of some scene and chose this lifestyle.

I don't know if it's a "scene", but there is a lifestyle that's pretty much the same the old day hobo's and yes, they choose that life. The ones I have met are very cool people, but I'm sure there are many that are not cool.

[gimmejava]

Do my tan pants qualify me for hipster status?

[kwaves99]

Do my tan pants qualify me for hipster status?

UBOcjnCY9f0

My thoughts exactly!

[DICKIE C]

the thing that cracks me up, is while they are being "counter culture", and not wearing the same clothes that "everyone else" wears, they too, are "conforming" to a particular style, and "following the (hipster) herd", which to me, is pretty much the same thing, just on a smaller scale.

So, at the end of the day, they aren't doing anything different than anyone else is, at the core.
Bingo.

If this thread should've even been started at all, it definitely should've ended with this post.

[Matt Ivaliotes]

Lots of people, at one point or another in their lives, work really hard (possibly comically hard) trying to be part of a particular in crowd or to cultivate a particular image. What makes the modern hipster a particularly comical beast is that so many go to such great lengths to conform so consistently to a particular model - all in the name of their uniqueness and creativity. Which really is funny.

[twoheadedboy]

What makes the modern hipster a particularly comical beast is that so many go to such great lengths to conform so consistently to a particular model - all in the name of their uniqueness and creativity. Which really is funny.

I don't really understand how you can be so confident about the intentions of these people. In general, humans want to have a sense of their own uniqueness, but also want to feel a sense of community. Why should hipsters be any different? As the youth have always done, they are behaving in a way that separates them from other groups, and that binds them together as a group. If you grew up in the post-WWII west, your generation undoubtedly did exactly the same thing.

[Sparky6string]

Hipsters just don't feel comfortable shoehorned into other stereotypes. I don't think they are saying they are totally original, they are just who they are, as are people who dress country, or surf or whatever.

[lpfella]

I think part of being a hipster is the idea that not everyone will get it. It appears they have succeeded. Seriously, I highly doubt hipsters get you.

No BIG Deal

[Fred Farkus]

I play in a hipster band and have quite a few hipster students at the college where I teach. I'm pretty much a non-hipster myself. Your description sounds nothing like any hipsters I know. They're all pretty nice people. Nicer than average, actually.

My son occasionally plays at a local college/hipster/hookah bar. Lots of hipster folk in the bands. They are all pretty nice, what I've seen so far. Very generous with praise for other musicians after they do their set, non-judgemental, etc. It's a fairly communal scene. A far cry from the stereotypical folded-arms-and-glaring TGP-alike guys at the back who are either jealous, don't like your gear, or wonder why you played the solo "that way".

[TNJ]

"Folded arms and glaring..."

:D

Just stikes me as funny...


Carry on, Hipsters!

S./
j

[phoenix 7]

the stereotypical folded-arms-and-glaring TGP-alike guys

Yes -- speaking of snobby and judgmental, we recently had an epic thread criticizing how a certain guitarist looked in a Musician's Friend catalog photo.

[RocksOff]

I was just going to mention that, as a whole, TGPers should be the last people making judgement calls about others 'snobby' attitude.

[Lo Blues]

Yes -- speaking of snobby and judgmental, we recently had an epic thread criticizing how a certain guitarist looked in a Musician's Friend catalog photo.

Really these threads prove just how superficial people are. The people who are affected the most by fashion aren't always the folks sporting the latest look but the people who are LOOKING. People only put that much attention on something when it matters to them.

Is there a point to being a hipster? Sure, many points have been brought up in this thread alone. You don't have to get it.

Is there a point to getting upset at how others choose to dress or live there lives in any way? I'm not sure about that. But if it's working for ya be my guest.

[Turbo Gerbil]

Lots of people, at one point or another in their lives, work really hard (possibly comically hard) trying to be part of a particular in crowd or to cultivate a particular image. What makes the modern hipster a particularly comical beast is that so many go to such great lengths to conform so consistently to a particular model - all in the name of their uniqueness and creativity. Which really is funny.

And we look for them to "grow up" and conform to an even bigger model that we call the responsible, job holding, 2.2kid with house in the burbs and 401K model.

[tiktok]

I'm 25, and I work at a music shop, so I see quite a few of these "hipsters". I just don't get it. I really don't. To me, it's just an effort to be different, and to assume that your relevance in society is contributed to and based from the offsetting choices of clothing and lifestyle.

What's the point of wearing clothes that don't fit, accessories that don't match and are completely loud and irrelevant for only the sake of being loud and irrelevant, piercing random parts of your face, and taking an approach to looking like you're homeless, or that you shop and/or live in a dumpster? Follow that with no appearing self-respect, or any concern for a career or responsible future in society.

I've seen too many beautiful girls that hide underneath a pile of rags that are attracted to the same homeless appeal in males who have no view of responsibility or decorum, and feel that working at a gas station is a fulfilling career. It seems that their inability to further themselves in society is their false sense of security. They want everything handed to them, as they choose that they don't need to work for a future, but then blame the "system" when they can't afford to pay their bills.

What happened to waking up in the morning, taking a shower, grooming, wearing respectable age-appropriate clothing that both fits and shows a sense of maturity and class, and attempting to find a mate who also shares this sense of responsibility and self-worth?

I'm sorry guys. No offense to any Hipsters here, but I just don't get the homeless/filthy/disheveled approach. I'm sure this is how parents felt in the 60's with the counter-culture movement, but I'm just sick of seeing it. the big 80s black rim glasses just have to go.

I think the Hipster movement was started by the Goodwill marketing team that was facing a surplus of dirty and bad clothing that no one was buying.:p

Squares are always baffled/disdainful/clueless regarding Cool.

No offense to any Squares here.

[candid_x]

http://betcheslovethis.com/sites/default/files/hipsters1.jpg

Now he's just showing off! (referring to big feet)

I have nothing against hipsters, though I could never stand too small shirts and sport jackets that dig into my arm pits nor pants that are designed for C&B torture. (am I allowed to say that here?)

[teefus]

the hipsters have slowly (d)evolved into bo-bos. they are at once bohemian and bourgeois. disgusting.

[pfflam]

This entire thread is utterly stupid

[GovernorSilver]

Ok, it's Friday afternoon. Time to kick back and have some hipster-approved brews:

http://nationalbohemian.com/media/images/verficationSideImage.jpg

http://imgusr.tradekey.com/p-B2599666-20090303223409/pabst-blue-ribbon-beer.jpg

I admit, the smaller-can PBRs taste like crap to me. But the big-can PBR is drinkable.

[sonicD]

Holy Sh*T! I can't believe this thread has generated 19 pages of replies!

The OP is 25 and works in a music store... of course he's a hipster! Isn't that obvious?

[Class5]

google the leather man. the first and last true hipster.

a common misconception is that hipster means cool or hip. it doesnt. another misconception is that hipster were around in the 60s. they werent. beatniks were not hipsters.

However, Kerouac refers to himself and his friends as such (On The Road).

[Class5]

Didn't make it to post #43, huh?

Nope, sorry I missed your post.

[thewalkingboss]

A friend took this picture near his place in Brooklyn. Apparently someone else feels the way you do.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o497/rhsandow/hipster-free-zone.jpg

[tonejunky]

Holy Sh*T! I can't believe this thread has generated 19 pages of replies!

The OP is 25 and works in a music store... of course he's a hipster! Isn't that obvious?


Hipster troll. The ultimate irony.

[Scott Miller]

"Get a hair cut."

So awesome. Has "Get a hair cut" been in use continuously since 1965? I thought people got over that. Did it come back? Why? And why I am I missing out? I have long hair. Do you have to be a young person to qualify for "Get a hair cut?" This is so agist.

:FM

[bigdaddy]

"Get a hair cut."

So awesome. Has "Get a hair cut" been in use continuously since 1965? I thought people got over that. Did it come back? Why? And why I am I missing out? I have long hair. Do you have to be a young person to qualify for "Get a hair cut?" This is so agist.

:FM

Get a hair cut.

[A-Bone]

These kids today with their hair and their clothes.

[djdrdave]

This is pretty dead on true. We are pretty programmed by our genes. It's just that the hipsters wear different types of jeans.

Isn't it a requirement for a hipster to have a beard too. I think that's part of the Chicago hipster look.

Yes, this is my theory on life. Men gather money and power to make themselves more sexual attractive --- even if they are married --- in fact, the drive to gain power is stronger in married men, because they are unable to (without cheating) achieve their actual goal, which is, of course, to get laid, so the struggle for money and power becomes the goal.

Woman do, well, most of the things that women do (e.g. focus quite a bit on losing weight and looking good), for the same reason -- to be more sexually attractive and hence, get laid.

Yeah, yeah, I guess this is all evolutionary psychology, but still, if you look at things from this standpoint, lots of stuff makes more sense. At the very least it helps explain Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. etc. and of course, why guys play guitar and why hipsters do what it takes to fit in with other hipsters.

[The Last Rebel]

This is pretty dead on true. We are pretty programmed by our genes. It's just that the hipsters wear different types of jeans.

Isn't it a requirement for a hipster to have a beard too. I think that's part of the Chicago hipster look.

Beards are part of the uniform for all sort of subcultures. Metal guys love beards.

[tylerfreak]

Hipster troll. The ultimate irony.

:rotflmao

[wrshpgtr60]

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again, there is nothing new under the sun..."
King Solomon

[candid_x]

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again, there is nothing new under the sun..."
King Solomon

Amen. And this doesn't only apply to hipsters. All one need do is observe suit/jacket lapel and tie widths from the 40's to present. They go from ultra wide to ultra skinny. It's not only predicable, it's protocol for the men's fashion designers.

As an old hippie, all I can do is laugh at the long hair comments. Too long, too short, as long as it's too something, it's hip. :cool:

[Mr Boggie]

Im starting to think theres a progression. Male hipsters usually start by growing a beard, and dressing like a bit of a lumberjack. then it appears the bravest of the bunch moves to a mustache, or the tattoo of a mustache on their finger. I saw a band last week, everyone had a beard except 1 guy and well the earthy chick, which might be debatable. Anyways, from that extension, why is it the chubby bearded guy always chooses the skinny jeans/denim shirt.

Props for getting up there and doing your thing under the lights.

[mbargav]

Meh. This thread is so 3 weeks ago.

[CowTipton]

Im starting to think theres a progression. Male hipsters usually start by growing a beard, and dressing like a bit of a lumberjack. then it appears the bravest of the bunch moves to a mustache, or the tattoo of a mustache on their finger. I saw a band last week, everyone had a beard except 1 guy and well the earthy chick, which might be debatable. Anyways, from that extension, why is it the chubby bearded guy always chooses the skinny jeans/denim shirt.

Props for getting up there and doing your thing under the lights.

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[phoenix 7]

What happened to waking up in the morning, taking a shower, grooming, wearing respectable age-appropriate clothing that both fits and shows a sense of maturity and class....

I suppose many hipsters find that kind of 'respectability' boring and conformist. I'm not a hipster myself, but I think they have a point. (Not that many of them aren't rather conformist themselves.)

[tonejunky]

^ I don't personally desire to not shower daily.. but I had a conversation with a friend the other day that made a lot of sense. She said that her friends were all about conservation and the environment.. They might be 'hipsters', but they don't hold off on a shower to be hip... they wait a day or two to save water. They also make sure they are clean and don't soak themselves in petrulli or anything like that. We did quit talking about the subject of 'hipsters' once she told me 'you might want to try on some skinny jeans. I bet you'd look good in them..'

[FuzzGazer]

I don't care what the reasons are, as long as kids aren't wearing baggy jeans with their underwear/asses hanging out.

Go Hipsters, cover your hips!

[ckalinec]

i can do better than that - i know for a fact that somewhere in NYC is a guy named Alex who is my exact doppelganger. I know this for a fact because Alex's lover confronted me after I kissed my wife goodbye on the streets of New York, shouting "ALEX, HOW COULD YOU????" Even after staring at me for more than a moment, it didn't register that I Was Not Alex.

So Alex, wherever you are, you're not hip. Because I conform to you, and you to me. We're Happy Together.

That's possibly the greatest story I've ever read

[YYZ]

Meh. This thread is so 3 weeks ago.
:spit:cool::cool::cool:

[Berlebster]

Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter. The greatest concentrations of hipsters can be found living in the Williamsburg, Wicker Park, and Mission District neighborhoods of major cosmopolitan centers such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively. Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often to be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses. Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs (See Bill Hader's character on SNL). Such styles are often associated with the work of creative stylists at urban salons, and are usually too "edgy" for the culturally-sheltered mainstream consumer. The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees...etc.





Hmmm...


S.
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i LOVE AMERICA

[TanPants]

If they would just wear nice tan pants I would find them more approachable.

[Peteyvee]

If they would just wear nice tan pants I would find them more approachable.Ironically, some of them do. :eeks

[Stormface]

Im starting to think theres a progression. Male hipsters usually start by growing a beard, and dressing like a bit of a lumberjack. then it appears the bravest of the bunch moves to a mustache, or the tattoo of a mustache on their finger. I saw a band last week, everyone had a beard except 1 guy and well the earthy chick, which might be debatable. Anyways, from that extension, why is it the chubby bearded guy always chooses the skinny jeans/denim shirt.

Props for getting up there and doing your thing under the lights.

I'm sitting here stroking my beard, wearing a plaid flannel shirt, slim-fitting dark denim, and work boots..............

[tonejunky]

i don't care what the reasons are, as long as kids aren't wearing baggy jeans with their underwear/asses hanging out.

Go hipsters, cover your hips!

lookin' like a fool wit da pants on da ground!

[hudpucker]

It's just as funny as the nipple-high pants of old men.

[twoheadedboy]

One more thing to add to this thread:

I think it may be worth noting that if large groups of young men are doing a particular thing, it is probably because it puts them in a good position to get what they want - sexual access to desirable women. The hipster thing may be frustrating for people on the outside, but it's a functional strategy for people on the inside.

[Peteyvee]

One more thing to add to this thread:

I think it may be worth noting that if large groups of young men are doing a particular thing, it is probably because it puts them in a good position to get what they want - sexual access to desirable women. The hipster thing may be frustrating for people on the outside, but it's a functional strategy for people on the inside.

Oh yeah, I'm sure this guy is getting tons of tail...
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/fauxhipster.jpg

:sarcasm

[RocksOff]

I'm sure be is, perhaps not the sort you would pursue... But sure.

[RocksOff]

Erm.. HE rather.

[Peteyvee]

Good point. OK, then what about this guy? He's pretty representative of the hipsters I see around here:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/hipster-beard-pbr.jpg

[twoheadedboy]

Oh yeah, I'm sure this guy is getting tons of tail...
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/fauxhipster.jpg

:sarcasm

Yes, because one unusually dressed individual necessarily represents an entire group.

[twoheadedboy]

Good point. OK, then what about this guy? He's pretty representative of the hipsters I see around here:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/hipster-beard-pbr.jpg

Yes, some women are into this look. Within his social circles, he's probably doing better than he would be without the beard and clothes, and there are good reasons why. In evolutionary terms, women are wired to seek masculinity, social resources and physical resources. For some women, the beard is a cue to masculinity. Style and a sense of personal identity are cues to social status and the potential to acquire physical resources. Like it or not, the scruffy bearded thing totally works for a lot of women.

The beard works especially well for chubby guys because it covers some flab, and because, in conjunction with a thick figure, it plays up the teddy bear/dad security thing. I'll illustrate my point graphically:

If you are a heavier guy with no facial hair, women see this when they look at you:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xzlqoD28k3w/S6zzsKsILKI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/-ZANDVP2jhg/s1600/fat+man.jpg

If you have a beard, you stand a much better chance of having them see either this:
http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2010/01/jon-hamm-beard-mad-men-185x300.jpg

or this:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs41/f/2009/010/4/f/Arthur___The_Warrior_King_by_Tiobolasdoro.jpg

[hudpucker]

Oh yeah, I'm sure this guy is getting tons of tail...
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/fauxhipster.jpg

:sarcasm

I'll bet he is indeed.



No sarcasm intended.

[Peteyvee]

Yes, because one unusually dressed individual necessarily represents an entire group.My point was that he is not that unusally dressed. There are legions of hipsters where I live and they all dress the same, like it's some kind of uniform or something. Thrift store shirts and coats (not there's anything wrong with that), some sort of scruffy pants, boots or sandals and a dumb hat.

[twoheadedboy]

My point was that he is not that unusally dressed. There are legions of hipsters where I live and they all dress the same, like it's some kind of uniform or something. Thrift store shirts and coats (not there's anything wrong with that), some sort of scruffy pants, boots or sandals and a dumb hat.

That's a very unusual jacket, even for a hardcore hipster. It looks like women's wear. Women probably wouldn't be into that guy, not because he may or may not be a hipster, but because he doesn't know how to put together a look that works for him.

[Peteyvee]

I live near Hollywood these days. Nuff said... ;)

[The Guy]

i would like to rid the world of all the people whos style of dress i dislike. lets begin with all the folks from the 80s.

[Peteyvee]

Oh, I really don't care what they wear. If they want to look stupid, they have that right...

[RocksOff]

I think it should be mandatory to qualify arguments around here.
Everyone who slanders someone else on appearance should have to post an honest picture of themselves.

...and perhaps link to a facebook page or something similar.

[twoheadedboy]

I think it should be mandatory to qualify arguments around here.
Everyone who slanders someone else on appearance should have to post an honest picture of themselves.

...and perhaps link to a facebook page or something similar.

That doesn't do much to qualify a reasonable argument.

[RCCola]

Hipsters are simply people who don't yet have their own identity, and so hope to adopt the identity of a group. The same could be said of Goths, Hippies, Yuppies, Jocks, Golfers, Freaks, Mods' or any other "movement" you wish to name, now or in the past.

People are unsure of themselves, of their identity, and of their own self-worth. By adopting the affectations of a group they hope to "fit in" somehow with a group of people. Their decisions of how to dress and what to like are then handled with ease, they just conform the the "group mentality", they no longer have to make those pesky decisions for themselves.

Once they've successfully integrated into the group, they then have friends within the group and their loneliness subsides. They feel a sense of protection. The other members of the group will provide validation and companionship, things to do, and topics of mutual conversation. Once in the group, they can then ridicule and deride people who are not in any group, or are in other groups. Should anyone deride them, well, obviously it's just someone who doesn't understand how cool they are.

To sum it up, it's just lonely and insecure people reaching out for help and companionship.

There's a reason why it's usually people in their early to mid twenties who comprise the membership of these groups. They haven't yet achieved a notion of who they are and a sense of security with themselves. Usually by the time they hit the late 20's and early 30's, they've developed a life of their own of some kind, and can cast aside the non-conformist trappings of the group.

There is great irony in the fact that the "cool groups" are just made up of people who haven't figured out how to be themselves yet.

+1000000

They all try to be different but in the exact same way as each other. They're too scared/lacking in imagination to be totally original. They've become what they set out not to be.

They are infuriated when called a hipster, but cannot come up with any evidence to suggest otherwise.

They're walking cliches.

I've also found them to love to talk/argue about music but rarely can play even simple chord changes or stay on beat. If you can play music, I wouldn't classify you as a hipster.

[The Last Rebel]

+1000000

They all try to be different but in the exact same way as each other. They're too scared/lacking in imagination to be totally original. They've become what they set out not to be.

They are infuriated when called a hipster, but cannot come up with any evidence to suggest otherwise.

They're walking cliches.

I've also found them to love to talk/argue about music but rarely can play even simple chord changes or stay on beat. If you can play music, I wouldn't classify you as a hipster.
Change a few words and this would apply to quite a number of people on TGP.

[Jiffy_Jeff]

I had to read the OP to even understand what a 'hipster' is.

Guess I'm now qualifying for AARP or something. :hide2

Uq_Gdnq2SS8

[smcgov]

+1000000

They all try to be different but in the exact same way as each other. They're too scared/lacking in imagination to be totally original. They've become what they set out not to be.

They are infuriated when called a hipster, but cannot come up with any evidence to suggest otherwise.

They're walking cliches.

I've also found them to love to talk/argue about music but rarely can play even simple chord changes or stay on beat. If you can play music, I wouldn't classify you as a hipster.


I have noticed in my limited dealing with them that they are very sensitive, I live near a hipster mecca (Fishtown in Philly) and do see them quite often. I recently saw one flip out when somebody asked them where they got their members only jacket....I would have thought wearing a members only jacket in 2012 might generate an occasional question but this guy was furious....

It is a crappy time to be 20 something so maybe that is part of it???

[vortexxxx]

Oh yeah, I'm sure this guy is getting tons of tail...
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/fauxhipster.jpg

:sarcasm


As someone who has red glasses, red glasses are good for picking up chicks.

[scott757]

But isn't everyone conforming to some group they wish to fit in with? Even people who are "normal" are just fitting in with the group they view as a societal norm. Threads like this are ridiculous.

[Chops]

What happened to waking up in the morning, taking a shower, grooming, wearing respectable age-appropriate clothing that both fits and shows a sense of maturity and class, and attempting to find a mate who also shares this sense of responsibility and self-worth?

Now don't that sound boring!

[hudpucker]

If you can play music, I wouldn't classify you as a hipster.

This is ridiculous.

I'm too old for hipsterdom but I do know plenty of hipster musicians and some can undoubtedly play.

It's the same as looking at a room full of middle-aged blues players with tan pants and mandals. Despite their appearance....some of them can play.


Change a few words and this would apply to quite a number of people on TGP.

Precisely.

[katuna]

I would say the point of it is like the point of practically everything that has ever been done in the world - to get laid.

[Rotten]

You answered your own question. It attracts a certain type of chick.

[enocaster]

I would say the point of it is like the point of practically everything that has ever been done in the world - to get laid.

sigworthy

[Two-Octave]

GI37OGm1ms0

[FuzzGazer]

I'm not a hipster, but I imagine that fashion critiques by 40 year olds don't carry much sting.

[starfish]

I have noticed in my limited dealing with them that they are very sensitive, I live near a hipster mecca (Fishtown in Philly) and do see them quite often. I recently saw one flip out when somebody asked them where they got their members only jacket....I would have thought wearing a members only jacket in 2012 might generate an occasional question but this guy was furious....



He's apparently the last member.

[j2b4o]

Is there a point to over analyzing someone else's wardrobe choices??? If there is I dont get it....

[mudster]

I would say the point of it is like the point of practically everything that has ever been done in the world - to get laid.

that's all folks. Why wasn't this the first reply? Then this lame thread could be over.

[rsm]

Personally, I don't care what people wear...not sure why anyone would care about what I'm wearing but I'm sure we are all being critiqued by someone...

...but I agree it is to attract women. I wore some strange things, and went to clubs I did not like because that is where the women were, and one had to conform to the scene to work it.

I recall going to a "preppy" party on one occasion with the singer in my (metal) band after a practice session...he was friends with them. Well, let's just say we didn't have many conversations. Eventually, we decided to stand near the kegs and wine, it was clear that none of the girls there wanted to engage in conversation no less anything else. Even those girls who knew the singer barely spoke to him...condescending "hi, how are you? nice to see you.." with a hint of disdain.

When I did things I liked / my friends liked, well it was typically a freaking sausage fest, and usually most of the girls there weren't very attractive...though some that were had their pick of the guys (I'm guessing these girls went there 'cause that is where the guys were).

[Jahn]

Hmm, hipster parties. No thanks, I just took a shower.

http://www.buzzgrinder.com/media/hipster_party_time.jpg

[bicktrav]

I agree with the OP. Hipsters are annoying. It's not the clothing, the thick glasses or the ironic facial hair. It's the pretense. I've been to several hipster apartments. They invariably have a bookshelf brimming with texts like Lolita, Freedom, The Comprehensive Works of Sartre and something by Tolstoy thrown in for good measure. Each has the wrinkle-free spine and unblemished cover of a book that has never been opened. I find that annoying.

[Brett Valentine]

Uq_Gdnq2SS8

Yup! That's it!

[ACfixer]

I couldn't tell you what a hipster is. Not a clue.

[The Last Rebel]

I couldn't tell you what a hipster is. Not a clue.

Don't worry, there are plenty of TGP youth culture experts who can fill you in.

[ACfixer]

Don't worry, there are plenty of TGP youth culture experts who can fill you in.

It would certainly appear so. Is it anything like a Juggalo? :D

[TravisE]

Wow. 23 pages because someone doesn't "get" something. I'm not sure there's anything to "get" in the first place. Like George Carlin, I don't "get" why people have to stuff their fat asses into tan pants/shorts and pastel polo shirts when they are so unflattering to wear and then top it all off with a pair of white running shoes when we all know that no running will be taking place. Then again, who cares? Do clothes truely make the man? I think, maybe, it used to. However, I don't think it's that valid anymore. The guy flying you from NY to LA tomorrow might have a full body tattoo under his fancy little suit. Though people love to complain about the current way of the world, I think it's great. Do what you want, wear what you want and mingle with whoever. I have friends on all sides, from lawyers to tattoo artists to biomechanical engineers, and love 'em all the same. Will I be wearing tan pants or a studded leather jacket and mohawk tomorrow? Nope, not likely. But they do and that's perfect for them. I think the real question here should be "Is there a point to hating because of clothing?". I think the recent case of the young boy profiled for wearing a hoodie should cause you to think twice about such things. Then again, what the hell do I know? Word.

[pfflam]

I agree with the OP. Hipsters are annoying. It's not the clothing, the thick glasses or the ironic facial hair. It's the pretense. I've been to several hipster apartments. They invariably have a bookshelf brimming with texts like Lolita, Freedom, The Comprehensive Works of Sartre and something by Tolstoy thrown in for good measure. Each has the wrinkle-free spine and unblemished cover of a book that has never been opened. I find that annoying.Wow, how pretentious to own books . . . the nerve of them

[tripp2k]

I couldn't tell you what a hipster is. Not a clue.

THIS I will absolutely agree on. LOL

[nofearfactor]

How someone decides to look and act in their life is their business IMO. I live in northern California but was raised in far southern Cali. Im a long time metalhead, metal guitar player, tattoo artist, hot rod enthusiast, etc. Ive been wearing my dressed down 'prison issue' look (my wife penned that term about my 'style' or lack of a style when were dating many years ago) almost 20 years now and I dont plan on changing anything about my 'look' or 'style'- XL plain white or black Ts, sleeveless Ts, slipon 'wino' shoes, Dickies work shirts and pants or long shorts, baseball caps, etc. My body is about 70% covered in tattoos, I have multiple piercings, I will shave my head one year or grow it out the next, goatee- sometimes, sometimes not, etcetc. I dont follow trends, and I guess it shows too- I havent changed a thing about myself in almost 2 decades. But I'm happy just being me and the main thing for me is being comfortable with what I wear. Someone dont like the way I look or the way I live, **** em. Dont judge a person by their outsides. I know I get weird looks in the line at the grocery store, etc. Im well read and intelligent and have put quite a bit of money away, so, while I might look like an old thug or I live in a shithole, you would be wrong. I just prefer to be what I be and look like what I want to look like.

Besides the hipster thing its also funny about all the hubub about tattoos these days. Ive had tattoos since I turned 18 in 87'. Back then it wasnt as 'in style' as it is today. Back in the day pretty much the people with tattoos were rockers, gangsters, servicemen, carnies, etc. There were alot less people then with full arm sleeves or full body suits like today, but there were some people who were hardcore tattooed clear back to the early 1900s, just wasnt as prevalent as today. Now its all over the place. I know, I do them for a living. But it isnt a 'a new fad, phase' or whatever, definitely isnt anything new, its always been here. My dad had a bunch of em from being in Korea in the 50s and he got more later in California. I remember when I was a little kid in the 70s just growing your hair out really long was the most rebellious and cool thing to do. My older brother had his to his waist. Still does, even though its gray. Now today its all over the page about what is 'rebellious' or 'cool'. Ive been a tattoo artist since the late 80s/early 90s, a metal/hardcore musician since I was 16, and on the side I play around with bikes and hotrods,etc. Im out alot in public and I see alot of guys out here in Cali, especially in the bay area, who look and act like these 'hipsters' mentioned here. I dont question it. Maybe these hipster dudes think like I do about it- they dont give a shite what anybody thinks about them. Good. I sure hope so. The USA is so far still a semi-free country and there is too much weird shit going on in the world to be so worried about another persons lifestyle or choice of clothing.

[bicktrav]

Wow, how pretentious to own books . . . the nerve of them

Yes owning books is pretentious. That is exactly what I meant.

[SlyStrat]

I think someone that wears the same thing for 20 years is worse than a Hipster.

[ACfixer]

THIS I will absolutely agree on. LOL

And I'm serious, the only place I've ever heard the term is here on TGP. I guess I need to get out more.

[nofearfactor]

I think someone that wears the same thing for 20 years is worse than a Hipster.

That could be true.

[Scott Miller]

So I was talking to my daughter who is young, lives in Portland, is a vegetarian, and has many tattoos, and I told here that there are a lot of uptight people who hate hipsters, and how I think that's the same dumbass thing as when I was a hippie, and people hated me because I had long hair, and she replied:

"I hate hipsters."

rim-shot

[Jahn]

She should have said "that's SO over!"

[Bobbofallenstar]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Bobbofallenstar/z3LY0.png

Aging hipster is worse. I'm 40 and I like finding new music - it's a fine line.

I won't wear skinny jeans, a scarf or grow a mustache.

[TravisE]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oVAA0i6jzhY/TfEL518lNGI/AAAAAAAAAZg/nYwCrkLN8go/s1600/tumblr_la8ra1ScMg1qzavpqo1_1280.jpg

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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uVEnl3lJazk/TuLQE-NEicI/AAAAAAACkeA/_7fBFNCdtzg/s400/best-memes-2011-13.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xX5R8PKNgiA/TuLPtTtITYI/AAAAAAACkcI/dLn1tmnwfGI/s400/best-memes-2011-23.jpg

This has nothing to do with hipters but I thought it was funny...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OkP0Xsokzk0/TuLP1rC_QgI/AAAAAAACkdQ/D4i-b9NvEic/s400/best-memes-2011-17.jpg

[m1911]

Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter. The greatest concentrations of hipsters can be found living in the Williamsburg, Wicker Park, and Mission District neighborhoods of major cosmopolitan centers such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively. Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often to be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses. Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs (See Bill Hader's character on SNL). Such styles are often associated with the work of creative stylists at urban salons, and are usually too "edgy" for the culturally-sheltered mainstream consumer. The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees...etc.

Hmmm...

S.
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Straight from Wiki....

"Hipsters are the friends who sneer when you cop to liking Coldplay. They're the people who wear t-shirts silk-screened with quotes from movies you've never heard of and the only ones in America who still think Pabst Blue Ribbon is a good beer. They sport cowboy hats and berets and think Kanye West stole their sunglasses. Everything about them is exactingly constructed to give off the vibe that they just don't care."

Funny....whenever I use the word "Hipster"....it's ALWAYS followed with Douche-Bag....
:munch

[HerrRentz]

I don't care what you look like or what you're wearing as long as you are actually wearing it.

When I see some idiot with his pants falling down I want to run up to him with my nail gun and secure them to his body so they don't fall off.

[m1911]

I don't care what you look like or what you're wearing as long as you are actually wearing it.

When I see some idiot with his pants falling down I want to run up to him with my nail gun and secure them to his body so they don't fall off.

Haha....see....we HAVE become our parents eh!
Me, I'd rather slap his bitch face....
Usually some pale white M&M wannabee....

About 10 years ago, my kid was in High School and we were at the local record store....
There these 4 white-boyz-to-douches and they all looked liked that including HUGE Baseball hats on sideways....

We got in the car and my kid says to me....
"We live in MAINE.....I think of Pine-cones, Fishing, Shooting, Outdoors, etc...."
And these were kids his age that thought they were straight-outta-Compton....
Idiots...

[hudpucker]

This thread smells like 1955....

[halcyon85]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uVEnl3lJazk/TuLQE-NEicI/AAAAAAACkeA/_7fBFNCdtzg/s400/best-memes-2011-13.jpg

Something tells me a hipster made this one...

[tonejunky]

The point is to make sure that there is no point, and that none will be regarded with respect unless bad beer is involved.

[Buzzard Luck]

Let's live if only for a moment, and right here, and right now, and today ... and show 'em all!

...HOw cool we are ....

Is this a song?

Don't steal my idea!

Darned fartknockers...

[dave s]

Ironic that my older son behaved similarly. Unfortunately it was the 'goth look' at the time. He graduated HS in '06 and college last December.

Kid was a former football player with a bright future as a tight end with offers from regional colleges. At 6' 5" and 270 lbs, the kid looked like the Sears Tower walking down the street in a black trench coat. His imposing size and appearance literally scared most people.

My advice to him was always the same: Son, at some point in time, you'll have to join the REAL world if you want to get anywhere in life and enjoy any level of success at anything but painting your fingernails black. You might as well make that time TODAY!!!

He now looks presentable, no longer dresses like an idiot, has a good job, a wonderful girlfriend and is simply a joy to be around ... even at 23!

Kids do what they thing is right for them at the time and really don't see very far down the road. The good news is that MOST kids eventually 'get it.'

dave

[starfish]

This thread smells like 1955....

At least we had actual hipsters back then...

[SteveO]

Kids do what they thing is right for them at the time and really don't see very far down the road. The good news is that MOST kids eventually 'get it.'

dave

I think we all went through something that would be considered the period-correct equivalent for our age groups. For me, it was a mullet in 1985. Looking back on that... ehhhh....

I'm sure that many of today's hipsters will likely look back on this period in their lives with a similar response: ehhhh....

[The Last Rebel]

At least we had actual hipsters back then...

I think you're being a hipster about hipsters.

[AshlandBump]

aging hipster is worse. I'm 40 and I like finding new music - it's a fine line.

Worse yet, I'm 47 and I've only missed one Pitchfork (midwest hipster heaven?) festival. Why? Because I like the music. Does it have to amount to anything more than that? I agree about the skinny jeans and facial hair - if someone judges me for it - oh well. The only ones at that festival that make me laugh or those who are going out of their way to be what someone else would think is cool.

It's always seemed to me that the most countercultural approach, whether for hippies or hipsters or whoever, is not to care what others do or what they wear. Someone said "judge not lest ye be judged." How radical.

[CharAznable]

At least we had actual hipsters back then...

Actual hipsters. You probably haven't heard of them.

[Jahn]

I just realized the source of all the modern hipster angst. It comes from having generations of this stuff coming at you throughout your formative years.

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[Space Hammer]

I just realized the source of all the modern hipster angst. It comes from having generations of this stuff coming at you throughout your formative years.

I'm afraid it goes further than that, to fully understand the evolutionary progress of the Hipster please view the following:

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[TobyManhattan]

I'm 25, and I work at a music shop, so I see quite a few of these "hipsters". I just don't get it. I really don't. To me, it's just an effort to be different, and to assume that your relevance in society is contributed to and based from the offsetting choices of clothing and lifestyle.

What's the point of wearing clothes that don't fit, accessories that don't match and are completely loud and irrelevant for only the sake of being loud and irrelevant, piercing random parts of your face, and taking an approach to looking like you're homeless, or that you shop and/or live in a dumpster? Follow that with no appearing self-respect, or any concern for a career or responsible future in society.

I've seen too many beautiful girls that hide underneath a pile of rags that are attracted to the same homeless appeal in males who have no view of responsibility or decorum, and feel that working at a gas station is a fulfilling career. It seems that their inability to further themselves in society is their false sense of security. They want everything handed to them, as they choose that they don't need to work for a future, but then blame the "system" when they can't afford to pay their bills.

What happened to waking up in the morning, taking a shower, grooming, wearing respectable age-appropriate clothing that both fits and shows a sense of maturity and class, and attempting to find a mate who also shares this sense of responsibility and self-worth?

I'm sorry guys. No offense to any Hipsters here, but I just don't get the homeless/filthy/disheveled approach. I'm sure this is how parents felt in the 60's with the counter-culture movement, but I'm just sick of seeing it. the big 80s black rim glasses just have to go.

I think the Hipster movement was started by the Goodwill marketing team that was facing a surplus of dirty and bad clothing that no one was buying.:p

They're doing what they want to do, and they enjoy and feel comfortable doing it. They're also not hurting anybody. Probably very similar to yourself except you showered and wear different clothes.

You'd be pretty bummed if we all walked around looking exactly the same, playing the same music, eating the same food and having the same favourite colour, I bet.

If it's really a huge deal, let them know how you feel. If they don't know you feel that way, things won't change. Odds are they'll just stop coming to the store though.

[27sauce]

Ironic that my older son behaved similarly. Unfortunately it was the 'goth look' at the time. He graduated HS in '06 and college last December.

Kid was a former football player with a bright future as a tight end with offers from regional colleges. At 6' 5" and 270 lbs, the kid looked like the Sears Tower walking down the street in a black trench coat. His imposing size and appearance literally scared most people.

My advice to him was always the same: Son, at some point in time, you'll have to join the REAL world if you want to get anywhere in life and enjoy any level of success at anything but painting your fingernails black. You might as well make that time TODAY!!!

He now looks presentable, no longer dresses like an idiot, has a good job, a wonderful girlfriend and is simply a joy to be around ... even at 23!

Kids do what they thing is right for them at the time and really don't see very far down the road. The good news is that MOST kids eventually 'get it.'

dave

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With all due respect, and I mean with all due respect, its a good thing all parents aren't like you.

[Thinline_slim]

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With all due respect, and I mean with all due respect, its a good thing all parents aren't like you.
I'm not real sure as to where the big parenting faux paus is in his statement?

[27sauce]

I'm not real sure as to where the big parenting faux paus is in his statement?

No faux paus, just glad there are different kinds of parents.

Wouldn't it be a shame if some of the great artists, musicians, writers... got the "Get a haircut, get a real job" talk, and listened to them?

My parents supported whatever I did, accepted me for how ever I dressed... I took my path, and did what I wanted to do... and now I play guitar for a living, and make a pretty good living at it. I am so glad that no one tried to get me to shape up and get a real job.

[TobyManhattan]

I'm not real sure as to where the big parenting faux paus is in his statement?

The part where he wanted his kid to stop outwardly expressing how he feels and start blending in with everyone else.

It's especially funny coming from a musician.

It's why there are so many threads on copying tones rather than threads on being excited about the new sound they came up with. Everyone wants to act and talk like they think outside the box, but they don't. They probably haven't even seen outside the box, and if they had, it would scare the sh*t out of them.

How comical is it that we've evolved this far and accomplished so much, but black nail polish or long hair still give people a preconceived notion of someone's personality.

It's not his fault though, he probably just wants the best for his son and doesn't want him to have to put up with the criticisms of the rest of the world. Which is of course understandable.

[axuality.com]

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With all due respect, and I mean with all due respect, its a good thing all parents aren't like you.

I disagree.

[Thinline_slim]

No faux paus, just glad there are different kinds of parents.

Wouldn't it be a shame if some of the great artists, musicians, writers... got the "Get a haircut, get a real job" talk, and listened to them?

My parents supported whatever I did, accepted me for how ever I dressed... I took my path, and did what I wanted to do... and now I play guitar for a living, and make a pretty good living at it. I am so glad that no one tried to get me to shape up and get a real job.

The part where he wanted his kid to stop outwardly expressing how he feels and start blending in with everyone else.

It's especially funny coming from a musician.

It's why there are so many threads on copying tones rather than threads on being excited about the new sound they came up with. Everyone wants to act and talk like they think outside the box, but they don't. They probably haven't even seen outside the box, and if they had, it would scare the sh*t out of them.

How comical is it that we've evolved this far and accomplished so much, but black nail polish or long hair still give people a preconceived notion of someone's personality.

It's not his fault though, he probably just wants the best for his son and doesn't want him to have to put up with the criticisms of the rest of the world. Which is of course understandable.

I can get on board with you guys greatly. Allow your kids to express themselves and be creative at every corner.

At some point though most of the pack will realize that they are not going to be a part of that elite 2% of creative group who will be full time professionals at what they want to do, which is where I think the bolded piece comes into play.

I have two very little girls and I'll be honest, like every other parent out there, the future doesn't look exceptionally bright right now. With the ever increasing number of unemployed kids right out of college and high school there is a part of me that says, if you're looking for a regular job, those are the rules you need to play by.

[Pedro Bogus]

I was visiting close friends for a weekend. Setting at the table, having a mixed beverage and BS'sng. I mention that I want a new sound system and sub for my truck. Their 21 year old daughter (with 1 child) sneers and says "You are 40 years old, what-a-ya wanna be, a hipster douchebag? You are just missing the tribal arm band tat."

Well okay. No subwoofer for the truck and no tribal arm band tatoo. Got it.

[pokey]

I was visiting close friends for a weekend. Setting at the table, having a mixed beverage and BS'sng. I mention that I want a new sound system and sub for my truck. Their 21 year old daughter (with 1 child) sneers and says "You are 40 years old, what-a-ya wanna be, a hipster douchebag? You are just missing the tribal arm band tat."

Well okay. No subwoofer for the truck and no tribal arm band tatoo. Got it.


Being the smartass that I am I would have said something like, "beats being a kid with a kid"

[SouthernShred]

If I see one more V neck t shirt and pair of skinny jeans I'm going to smack someone...If you were intended to wear women's clothes you would have been born with a vagina...have some self respect!!!

[Jahn]

I was visiting close friends for a weekend. Setting at the table, having a mixed beverage and BS'sng. I mention that I want a new sound system and sub for my truck. Their 21 year old daughter (with 1 child) sneers and says "You are 40 years old, what-a-ya wanna be, a hipster douchebag? You are just missing the tribal arm band tat."

Well okay. No subwoofer for the truck and no tribal arm band tatoo. Got it.

wanting a nice sound system for your truck? really, that's hipster? wow, that must be ironic on such a high level that even the truck owner doesn't get how hipster it is.

however, it WOULD be totally awesome if you bought a fixed gear bike and started wearing scarves in summer and grew a mountain man beard with matching paul bunyan hat - and had NO idea any of it was "hipster." that's just Cool imho!

Personally, I think it's time for a road trip to Williamsburg in your truck so you can party here:

http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/nohipsterallowed.jpg

[27sauce]

I think the tribal tattoo's and sound system are more douche bag than hipster. I could be wrong.

[ghostdancer]

Being the smartass that I am I would have said something like, "beats being a kid with a kid"
bullseye !!

coming from the uk !
we ve teddy boys and mods and rockers, new romantics and punks (among other things)

all of thought they were the dog nuts and were gonna chnge the world coz they looked so coool

i am 52 work with a variety of age groups in my business and wellll most of the above are covered in who i work with
am a refomed glam rocker who grew up to be a metal head now trying learn to play the blues !

to the OP dont be so judgemental your kids will probably think you are a old fuddy duddy or need to grow up or both
so **** it live and let live

btw if you need to be told how to "get it" you never will

[hudpucker]

If I see one more Hawaiian shirt and pair of tan/cargo pants I'm going to smack someone...If you were intended to wear Islanders' clothes you would have been born on that island...have some self respect!!!

Fixed.

[Turbo Gerbil]

http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/nohipsterallowed.jpg

Dang, can't go, haven't cut my hair in like 2 years.

[dave s]

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With all due respect, and I mean with all due respect, its a good thing all parents aren't like you.

What? What type of future and living do you think can be made by a kid who is 6' 5" tall, wears a black trench coat, studs, chains and looks like a Columbine Killer?

Honestly, would YOU hire someone who looked like that? His appearance literally SCARED people!

And trust me, he had valid points. 1. "You can't judge a book by its cover." Right, but the book as to be attractive enough for someone to open! 2. "This is 'who I am'." No, it's not. You weren't born with black fingernails ... you're totally trying to be someone/thing else.

Thankfully, he learned on his own. When you paint yourself into a very small corner of society just to be 'yourself,' the consequences become obvious even to a young adult at some point in his or her life.

He didn't change because of anything I or his mother said, he changed because he realized there isn't much future in looking and dressing like a Columbine Killer.

dave

[halcyon85]

I see this thread going places.

On a side note, I don't think hipsters would go to that party anyway. They spelled "plaid" wrong.

Or... perhaps only hipsters will show up. That seems more likely, now that I think about it.

[darkstar11]

http://www.clashmusic.com/files/imagecache/big_node_view/files/images/gered_hendrix_350-x343.jpg

[ACfixer]

This is the pic Wiki has for "hipster". Isn't that Earl?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Hipster_wifebeater_shirt.jpg/220px-Hipster_wifebeater_shirt.jpg

[chinaski]

:beerhttp://www.clashmusic.com/files/imagecache/big_node_view/files/images/gered_hendrix_350-x343.jpg

[RocksOff]

I'll bring the vneck and skinny jeans. Want my address, SouthernShred?

[nofearfactor]

What? What type of future and living do you think can be made by a kid who is 6' 5" tall, wears a black trench coat, studs, chains and looks like a Columbine Killer?

Honestly, would YOU hire someone who looked like that? His appearance literally SCARED people!

And trust me, he had valid points. 1. "You can't judge a book by its cover." Right, but the book as to be attractive enough for someone to open! 2. "This is 'who I am'." No, it's not. You weren't born with black fingernails ... you're totally trying to be someone/thing else.

Thankfully, he learned on his own. When you paint yourself into a very small corner of society just to be 'yourself,' the consequences become obvious even to a young adult at some point in his or her life.

He didn't change because of anything I or his mother said, he changed because he realized there isn't much future in looking and dressing like a Columbine Killer.

dave

That totally decribes my 15 yr old, except he's only 6'2' x 200, so far. He has many facial piercings and 1/2" lobe plugs (he would be at 1" right now but his mother put her foot down with her 'baby' about them being that stretched). He is definitely not hireable as he cant even do his chores at home correctly (he doesnt give a shit and does them half ass when he does them for one reason), but he's not going to get fired from home. His heroes were/are Peter Steele and Paul Gray. Both deceased metal bass players. One of them was an old friend of mine that he got to meet once. Hopefully his manner of death woke him up to the evils of excessive drug abuse. One good thing at least is he plays his bass almost religously, is in a highschool band, and has a hunger to be in a touring band. So hopefully he will get it together after he graduates and leaves home and pursues a music career because this kid is for sure not headed to college, technical school, and is only able to get hired by employers who will hire freaks.

[TobyManhattan]

wanting a nice sound system for your truck? really, that's hipster? wow, that must be ironic on such a high level that even the truck owner doesn't get how hipster it is.

however, it WOULD be totally awesome if you bought a fixed gear bike and started wearing scarves in summer and grew a mountain man beard with matching paul bunyan hat - and had NO idea any of it was "hipster." that's just Cool imho!

Personally, I think it's time for a road trip to Williamsburg in your truck so you can party here:

http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/nohipsterallowed.jpg

I'd roll into this place wearing tight pants and proceed do destroy everyone at Street Fighter 2.

[MGT]

Well, I'm 47 now and dress pretty well for my age but when I was much younger (80's), I wore trench coats, ear rings, had hair like Robert Smith of the Cure & was REALLY into clothes. I just don't see the big deal..it's just hair or whatever. I just think there are more important things to worry about & we should let people express themselves whatever way they want to. As we get older, we tend to get more conservative or adapt to the work world as required.

No, the guy with a lot of metal stuck in his face won't get a job in your office but he'll figure that out as he gets older. I work in the software biz and there are lots of graphic artists who look different...it's part of being creative, IMHO. My former boss is older than me and has a long ponytail (also somewhat common among computer geeks). He also has some beautiful guitars but that's besides the point.

If we all looked the same, the world would be a pretty boring place. Not every profession requires you to wear a suit or khakis. When you deal with customers, you may need a particular look (some professions have different requirements) but if not, who cares what you wear?

[JWDubois]

Before I bag hipsters, goths, guidos, or whatever, I think back to the striped bell bottoms, platform shoes, and ruffled shirts I wore in the seventies. :facepalm

Man, I wish I could still fit in those bell bottoms ;)

JWW