View Full Version : DT-50/25 owners. Modern high gain help requested.
04-21-2012, 06:30 AM
I've never been good at dialing those kinds of sounds. I'd like to add something modern, saturated, a little scooped but not so much it drops me out of the mix. Basically I want a cutting version of topology IV so I can pretend to shred, get a lot of harmonics etc...
Where should I start? Anyone have a patch to share? Keep in mind this is for gigging only, so I won't be recording and able to apply EQ after the fact at all.
I've read meambobos tone guide, so I'm using some tips from that on the front end side, I'd just like to hear from guys with the full setup and what they are doing.
I've got great crunch, mild breakup and clean tones already that I am very happy with.
04-21-2012, 02:13 PM
Roll off the bass and add some mids, then back the treble down and slowly bring it back up until it starts getting ice-picky, then bring it back down a hair. Also go easy on the gain; 60-70% should be enough. I try to keep the presence as low as possible without sounding dull, almost always below 50%, but that's personal preference. It might sound a little nasally or thin by itself, but it will cut really well in a band mix.
If you're using a POD to control the amp, you could also stick a Screamer or Boost Comp in front for some added thickness. I just got the amp last week and haven't perfected my live patches yet, but I've had one rehearsal with it and that's pretty much what I did. Like I said, patch isn't perfect yet, but this may get you in the ballpark:
04-21-2012, 03:25 PM
I keep wanting to use no cab or mic modeling with my DT25 combo. I want the FOH mix to be as close as possible to what I'm hearing. Making I'm wrong in thinking this way, but I keep thinking that if I use a cab and mic model, the cab emulated Line Out from the DT25 combo is going to sound vastly different FOH than what I hear through my amp's speaker.
Going to try these settings though. Do you guys prefer to use the HD500's cab and mic sims or do you typically find yourselves using no cab or mic model?
04-21-2012, 03:30 PM
If you're using combo poweramp mode (it defaults to this when you connect to L6 LINK), the mic models are off (even though it shows one being on) and the cab models are tuned to make the DT's speaker sound more like the cab you've selected. You'd probably want to turn the cab sims off if using your own cabinet (i.e., not the Line 6 cab), but otherwise I prefer the sound with cab sims left on. And like I said, the mic model makes no difference. Try scrolling through different models while connected to your DT — the sound will skip for a second, but there is no change in the sound among any of the mics in there (this is assuming you're using either combo poweramp or stack poweramp, which you should be, with a DT).
04-21-2012, 04:11 PM
I'm a little different as I run the presence higher. I like the more modern Recto tone but I never run the mids under 12noon.
I use the recto pre, no cab and at volume it sounds great. For low volume I use a full model and still no cab sim; this also works great but only at low volume.
I tested the DI out a fair bit the other night and found a few things...
The DI sounds quite like the amp. I mean essentially that the tones I've carefully setup actually do sound similar and I don't need another set of patches. This is absolutely great in my book!
If you use a cab sim and the DI out it sounds woofly (IMHO). Maybe fuller but not really a reference of what the amp sounds like so it wasn't for me.
The DI'd tones sounded very much superior to that I could get out of the HD500 run the same way. I would need EQs and more time dialing in the HD500 to sound like this...then if I used the DT DI with the power transformer active, it would sound better again. So glad I can just use it this way.
I personally boost the Recto sim with my Kingsley but at volume it has plenty of presence and cut by itself whilst still having the Recto qualities off bottom end, fullness, modern gain etc...I still use my pedal in front but just as a light EQ'd boost and to aid dynamics.
It's actually a pretty awesome tone and in fact nails the 'idealised' modern recto tone far better than my old 'real' Dual Recto Rev G did.
The only thing about a recto (again IMHO) is that it isn't a very good lead amp. Great chugging hugeness but for lead I'd pick a well craftted JCM800 patch with some delay.
04-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Thanks a lot guys.
I am indeed fronting with the HD500. I personally have found the DI On the DT to really be spot on. I can't believe how much I am enjoying my live sound.
I'm going to try those settings. One thing I have to look out for are the brightness of my pickups.
04-21-2012, 09:44 PM
I really like the Uber model, but you need a Mid-Focus EQ or a Screamer in front to get rid of the mud and dial in the djent.
Otherwise, all the tips above are $$
04-22-2012, 07:24 PM
I run the recto preamp, with more gain than Muff Diver, and I also run my mids the way Axeman does. But that is just my personal taste and I am in know way suggesting one way is superior to another. I have a Vetta 4x12 cab with the the celestion Line 6 90 watt speakers, so I always use the cab simulator. IMHO those speakers do not sound good without the cab sim.
I actually think I get a pretty good lead sound from the recto, but admit I have not had the amp that long and have not tried all of the amp models in depth yet.
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