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infiniteposse
06-13-2012, 12:47 AM
So my Flint arrived today and I had a little time to do some basic playing with it this evening and I thought I'd throw up a synopsis.

I'll say ahead of time, I love this company. That might make me a fanboy, but so be it. I'm an audio engineer and I work with lots of digital audio technologies and I think that the way they've synthesized this type of technology and programming with the pedal form-factor is remarkable. I don't personally care if the models are 100% accurate, I just personally find that the boxes are all musical, easy to operate and, most importantly for me, sound great on records. Clients figure out how to get what they need out of them in minutes and we get on with making music.

So the Flint... The first impression I had was a little odd, actually. I plugged it in and it had defaulted to reverb-->trem, which isn't something I'm accustomed to hearing. Once I switched which fed which, I was in much more familiar territory.

I decided to use my tele (CS 63) for the first time sitting down with it as it's tone is really clear as a bell and spare. The amps I ran it through were my Allen Brown Sugar, followed by my Hayseed 30 (in half-power mode) and then my 53 5B3 Deluxe.

Long story short, the Flint sounds great through all of the amps. My tele through any of these amps has a very clear voice and the thing that immediately struck me was that that voice wasn't at all muddled. The signal path on every Strymon pedal I've used has been pristine and just seems to get out of the way. The Flint was no exception. I played with each of the models in each mode (and combined) and with each one I just kept forgetting there was a pedal in the path. The trem and verb both felt very organic and like it was a part of the amp. I got lost in the sound for quite a while several times during this short run through. I'd bypass the pedal and kind of be amazed that this sound that seemed so integral and a part of the amp could just turn off at the push of a button.

Quick run down on the models:

Reverbs:

Spring reverb - Sounds like nice spring reverb. The tone knob on the verb side is very powerful and idiot proof. Love it.

EMT plate model (70's) - Nice. More subtle and tad darker than the 80's model. I like the times they chose for the pre-delay this model as well as the 80's model. Not being able to adjust it is a non-issue, unlike my experience with the TC Flashback I demo'd a while back. Easily on par with the UAD EMT 250 plate plug-in, which I like a lot.

Lexicon model (80's) - Nice and lush and *not* super gimmicky, unlike my general experiences with "Ice" algorithms, which I just don't get along with, personally. Infinite settings on this just sound cool. This setting made me think "Unforgettable Fire," Lanois, etc... Just deep and absorbing.

- Note: I like the times Strymon chose for the pre-delay, all around. Not being able to adjust it is a non-issue, unlike my experience with the TC Flashback I demo'd a while back and didn't like because of the very obvious pre-delay I was hearing. Maybe I'm crazy...

Trems:

Harmonic trem (63) - Very cool sound and I can imagine it being useful in a number of contexts. With the intensity down it's not beating you over the head with the "effect," you just get sucked into the overall feel of the trem. As the intensity goes up it throbs really nicely and it's a really nice, deep sound, not unlike my Fulltone Dejavibe. All settings are useful.

Tube trem (65) - Good stuff. Like someone else mentioned in another post, reminds me of my Gibson Falcon trem. Simple, musical and perfect.

Bias trem - Yup. Sound likes what you'd expect. Not my favorite trem in general, but it does what it's supposed to do.

In short, I like it a lot. I think it'll get a lot of use and it's simplicity will make it a winner for use in a studio environment with clients hopping on and off my pedal-board.

It's worth noting that I preemptively sold my BSR in anticipation of the Flint being released right after it was announced. While I liked the BSR better than anything else I had demo'd, it had a degree of tweakability that wasn't necessary for me most of the time and the modulation and ice modes weren't my thing at all. My gut told me the Flint would be more in line with what I like workflow-wise and sonically and I was definitely right. This pedal is "Deadman" in a box, which is sort of my holy-grail for vibey trem and verb sounds.

Another thing I'll mention is that while I very much like the pedal, it's not exactly the same, to my ear, as internal trem and verb. It melds superbly with the guitar and amp and becomes a very cohesive and musical sound, but it's a little cleaner than most amps with on-board trem and verb usually are, IMHO. I've found this also with my Timeline and el Cap and while some might view that as an issue, to me it's just a different kind of sound. Maybe a little more hi-fi. Ultimately though, once I stop listening for that sort of thing, I just get lost in the playing and the musicality of the pedals. It's not something someone will notice in the audience.

That was not the quick review I had intended to write. Hopefully that will answer a few questions for folks out there doing the waiting thing and for those who might be interested in hearing more about it.

archtop
06-13-2012, 02:27 AM
Thanks for the review. I felt the same about the BSR. I essentially liked it, but recognize that tweak-ability can be a distraction when it comes to making music. I most probably will buy a Flint.

chillytc
06-13-2012, 02:30 AM
Thanks! I literally just pre-ordered a Flint and then read your review and I'm feeling OK about my decision after hearing your views.

jerrycampbell
06-13-2012, 02:56 AM
Thanks for taking the time to write this excellent review.

Footbutt
06-13-2012, 04:11 AM
Another thing I'll mention is that while I very much like the pedal, it's not exactly the same, to my ear, as internal trem and verb. It melds superbly with the guitar and amp and becomes a very cohesive and musical sound, but it's a little cleaner than most amps with on-board trem and verb usually are, IMHO. I've found this also with my Timeline and el Cap and while some might view that as an issue, to me it's just a different kind of sound. Maybe a little more hi-fi. Ultimately though, once I stop listening for that sort of thing, I just get lost in the playing and the musicality of the pedals. It's not something someone will notice in the audience.


i agree!
for analog emulation, i don't think it gets any better than Strymon, but there's still a hi-fi-ness about it. not bad, just different. and SO TRUE: "once i stop listening for that sort of thing, i just get lost in the playing and the musicality of the pedals."

Great review. even though i'm perfectly happy with my current pedals... i just might have to pick this up!

Red Baron
06-13-2012, 06:25 AM
Great review, thanks for sharing your thoughts :)

...reassuring as well, I didn't keep my BSR for long either (pretty much the same reasons as you described) but I'm hanging out for my Flint to arrive.

Jahn
06-13-2012, 06:39 AM
Thanks for the review! Hmm now I have to take pause though. A hi fi bias trem doesn't quite jibe with me, I like it swampy and loooo fi. The swamp thang is still the king for me on that until I hear the flint or otherwise.

minjason
06-13-2012, 07:05 AM
Great review! i'm glad the few reviews I've read so far have been very thoughtful and comprehensive. So often with these new pedals you get those one-line hyperbolic statements "hands-down the greatest pedal I've ever played!" and no review of the actual pedal. It's refreshing to hear reviews that are a bit more in-depth and less exaggerated.

Rumble
06-13-2012, 08:10 AM
Here's what I want to know, will Dick Dale toss his 6G15 out the window, and get a Flint? Kinda kidding with that, but can it get into surf territory with the '60s "Spring" settings?

JesterR
06-13-2012, 08:32 AM
Oh! I try to say myself, that I do not need one... :(

infiniteposse
06-13-2012, 09:17 AM
Thanks for the review! Hmm now I have to take pause though. A hi fi bias trem doesn't quite jibe with me, I like it swampy and loooo fi. The swamp thang is still the king for me on that until I hear the flint or otherwise.

I'd say it's important to note that I was playing without any OD during the course of my review. I think the hi-fi aspect becomes less noticeable as you add a little grit on the front end. Having said that, if you have something that gets you where you want to be, you're there. I think the real value of this pedal is it's ability to cover tons of bases elegantly and professionally.

Here's what I want to know, will Dick Dale toss his 6G15 out the window, and get a Flint? Kinda kidding with that, but can it get into surf territory with the '60s "Spring" settings?

I think it sounds pretty good and convincing. I didn't get a chance to turn it way up though, so I'm not really qualified to answer the question.

meterman
06-13-2012, 11:24 AM
This pedal is "Deadman" in a box, which is sort of my holy-grail for vibey trem and verb sounds.

you just HAD to say that didn't you, with me over here trying so hard to control my GAS :mob:sarcasm

I'm curious how the reverb fares into a slightly overdriven amp, which seems to be what breaks most of them for me, can't stand that grainy, digital sound. The El Cap sounds better than most delays into an overdriven amp IMHO, wondering if the same can be said of the Flint?

thanks!

mdjphillips
06-13-2012, 12:15 PM
I'm trying so hard not to cave, but it's so tempting!

ultrevex
06-13-2012, 12:23 PM
Great review.... mine's sitting on my front porch as I type this! :omg

Teledeluxe77
06-13-2012, 01:18 PM
Good review man. If I get this pedal it will be to make room on my board because it would be replacing a wet stereo and empress trem, essentially killing two birds with one stone. I'm happy with where I'm at for now though. The GAS is wearing off. :hide

infiniteposse
06-13-2012, 01:45 PM
The one thing I meant to add to the initial review is that there is one essential conundrum attached to this pedal - where does one place it in the chain? Right now I've got it before delay and after dirt, but I'd normally want my verb last in the series. I'm a little on the fence about this at the moment and I guess I'll just play with it where it is for now. I'd be curious what solutions folks come up with for this though. Maybe it'll be fine behind delay, but it's not my normal signal flow and comfort zone, so I'm less accustomed to the results.

XISTH
06-13-2012, 04:05 PM
great review.

archtop
06-13-2012, 04:57 PM
The one thing I meant to add to the initial review is that there is one essential conundrum attached to this pedal - where does one place it in the chain? Right now I've got it before delay and after dirt, but I'd normally want my verb last in the series. I'm a little on the fence about this at the moment and I guess I'll just play with it where it is for now. I'd be curious what solutions folks come up with for this though. Maybe it'll be fine behind delay, but it's not my normal signal flow and comfort zone, so I'm less accustomed to the results.

Am interested to hear what you think about this conundrum over time. I've always used reverb last too, but am unsure if it would make much difference to have delay last instead. I'm pretty sure I'd never want trem after reverb though.

My conundrum is, do I sell an Empress Trem with more features to fund the Flint. The Empress Trem sounds good but that harmonic trem has my ear.

thiscalltoarms
06-13-2012, 05:47 PM
The one thing I meant to add to the initial review is that there is one essential conundrum attached to this pedal - where does one place it in the chain? Right now I've got it before delay and after dirt, but I'd normally want my verb last in the series. I'm a little on the fence about this at the moment and I guess I'll just play with it where it is for now. I'd be curious what solutions folks come up with for this though. Maybe it'll be fine behind delay, but it's not my normal signal flow and comfort zone, so I'm less accustomed to the results.

My solution is Flint before delays, BSR after. Best of all options!

thebigkevdogg
06-13-2012, 06:04 PM
Anyone try the stereo out? Are the trems stereo? I'm moving and haven't been able to try mine into two amps (all but one packed away :( )

mchap11
06-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Great, thoughtful review. Many thanks. GAS--got it bad, man! I'm trying to sell six pedals so I can pony up for this baby!

nrvana8775
06-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Strymon hi-fi = sounds like a well-produced cd.

They sound so clean/professional.

amp boy
06-13-2012, 07:11 PM
an effects loop to place a pedal in chain with the Flint would have solved the delay to reverb placement issue.
seems that would have been thoughtful....as to how a lot of folks seem to place those two pedals in particular.

62Tele
06-13-2012, 08:52 PM
I generally prefer Trem > Delay > Reverb and had the same placement question if I were to use this on my main board. Guess I'll have to "suffer" by with my current Diamond trem/ ML Jr/ Stereo Wet setup on this board.

In the end I ordered mine to use on my small backup board with a Jetter Gold Standard and Tech 21 Blonde - gain, amp emulation, reverb, trem and stereo out on a nano is pretty appealing.

minjason
06-13-2012, 09:07 PM
i prefer using trem before my delays and verbs when i'm using it as a definitive effect to achieve that "choppy" sound, but I actually prefer it after my delay when I'm using it more to give my entire sound that added depth and subtle warmth I loved on my old BF Princeton Reverb. I now have an amp without a built-in tremolo so I'm hoping the Flint can get close to that sound when put at the end of signal chain. I don't use tremolo too much and am buying it more for the verbs, so it makes sense for me to put it last.

danonbass
06-14-2012, 07:57 AM
I don't mind placing my trem before, in-between, or after my delay and reverb. I like the ability of the Flint to flip flop the verb/trem order.

Jahn
06-14-2012, 08:01 AM
Anyone try the stereo out? Are the trems stereo? I'm moving and haven't been able to try mine into two amps (all but one packed away :( )

if the trems are stereo that would be really cool - for recording, i can assign the stereo outputs to two different channels and pan as desired - way cool! however if they just allow for stereo-thru, for instance of a true stereo delay before the Flint, then that's still cool - the flint catches both signals, flints them up, and then sends them on their way, still stereo.

amp boy
06-14-2012, 06:58 PM
^ Is the tremolo stereo with two amps set up....modulating one from the other, or does it just send the same signal to both amps ?

duckbunny
06-14-2012, 08:03 PM
I'm curious how the reverb fares into a slightly overdriven amp, which seems to be what breaks most of them for me, can't stand that grainy, digital sound. The El Cap sounds better than most delays into an overdriven amp IMHO, wondering if the same can be said of the Flint?


Exactly what I was thinking. Would it "digital-out" the lovely warmth of an overdriven tweed?



-db

meterman
06-16-2012, 10:36 AM
just got mine here, damn it sounds great!! to answer my own question, it sounds fantastic into my Plexi type amp which I run mostly clean but grinds a bit when you dig in. Any more overdriven than that and I'd switch to delay anyway...

Another winner from Strymon!

bug0711
07-01-2012, 10:06 AM
just got mine here, damn it sounds great!! to answer my own question, it sounds fantastic into my Plexi type amp which I run mostly clean but grinds a bit when you dig in. Any more overdriven than that and I'd switch to delay anyway...

Another winner from Strymon!

Yep, sounds fantastic in front of a driven amp. Tweaking to find the sweet spot is painless as well.

aaron1433
11-02-2012, 12:11 AM
As stated previously, I too missed fitting the delay in between the trem and reverb. While I enjoyed the sounds quite a lot from the Flint, I couldn't justify the expense. I prefer my Keeley trem. The TC Hall of Fame sounds quite good. Maybe not as good as the Flint but it's close. The power, signal chain, and expense concerns just outweighed the advantages of the Flint for me.

I'm really happy with the Keely trem - Strymon El Cap - TC Hall of Fame mix I have going; either in an effects loop or not.

tibbon
11-02-2012, 12:17 AM
Played one tonight; considered for about 5 minutes selling my Space. Best digital trem I've ever heard

infiniteposse
11-02-2012, 12:22 AM
Since this thread has come back from the dead and I'm the OP, I'll post a brief follow-up.

The Flint's still on my board. I've started playing out with a band both sides of it get used every time we play. I should get a fav switch for the verb. Right now it lives in EMT250 mode with a really high decay, so it's a wash. Trem works beautifully. I've had a Moog expression pedal in there for the trem and it sounds amazing when you slow it down and then go back up. Really great pedal. Still very pleased.

Abandoned
11-23-2012, 07:42 AM
So I just ordered a Flint and I've never owned a tremolo... Can someone help me with its placement on my pedalboard? Before or after delay?
I normally have had reverb after my delay. What does it sound like before my reverb?

meterman
11-23-2012, 08:05 AM
I put the Flint at the end of my chain, after my El Cap delay...

Footbutt
11-23-2012, 09:28 AM
Played one tonight; considered for about 5 minutes selling my Space. Best digital trem I've ever heard

so what was your conclusion? do you still have the Space?