What do you think of Warrior guitars?

[HaloMaster]

Has anyone owned/played a warrior guitar, and if so did you like or dislike it?
They look like beautiful guitars and I haven't had a chance to play one. How do they match up against some of the other custom guitas like Heately, McInturff, Mcnaught....ect., ect.?

[mischultz]

They had a gallery here in Atlanta for a few years. Very well executed and great wood selection in terms of the visual aesthetic. The artsy inlay/carving/storytelling stuff was/is ridiculously over the top. But to the point: I probably played a half dozen at different times in their shop and they felt/sounded stiff to me. Not a lot of depth or life to the tone. Of the alternatives you've mentioned, I've played a couple McInturffs and would certainly prefer those for depth and chime.

Best,

Michael

[KLB]

I live within walking distance of the former Warrior Gallery in Atlanta (which is now a high-end bass store.) I visited it often and knew the guy who ran the store on a social basis. He put a lot into trying to make the store successful, but just couldn't make it fly. The market was not there. Apparently, their target was high-end PRS buyers.

Warrior guitars and basses are beautiful and very well made. Some have extremely intricate inlay. All use the highest quality materials.

I think the basses are superb in all ways!

However, the guitars did not appeal to me as musical instruments. I played nearly every guitar in the store over a period of two years. I really tried to like them.

I did not like the neck shape, which was typically a "D" profile like the wide-necked 5-7 string basses. Most, perhaps all (?), Warrior guitars have 24 frets. This forces the neck pickup out of the harmonic sweet spot, and gives the neck tone a thinner, "quacky" character.

One of Atlanta's best guitarists, Ede Wright, was (is?) a Warrior endorsee. Listening to him play his Warrior live confirmed that I don't care for the sound of these guitars. For sure, Ede's chops and overall musicality are awesome, regardless of the guitar his is playing!

So, between not liking the feel and tone, and frankly, not wanting such a fancy looking guitar, I could never bond with Warrior, though I could have picked up one for a good price.

I also did not care for the sword inlays and the "Crusader" imagery of the Warrior brand name. Perhaps without the sword imagery I could have thought of it as the "Way of the Peaceful Warrior." Music as an instrument of peace. All that.

Regardless of my personal feelings about these instruments, it was frustrating watching my good acquaintence loose the Warrior business after putting so much money and effort into it.

All this said, you might play one and fall in love with it, so be sure to give them a try.

Best wishes in your tone quest.

[hemlock]

I also spent some time in the Warrior store in Atlanta and could never find a guitar that I thought was top notch. Very pretty, but I didn't care for the neck carve and feel. I never played one that I thought had a special tone. I tried really hard to like them because they are beautiful in appearance. Unfortunately, of the probably 20 or so that I played, the beauty was skin deep. The basses were another story altogether.

[BradKM]

I like strolling through their booth at shows and enjoying their guitars as art...but I've never plugged one in.

Recently Sam Ash started carrying them, and I spent a little time with the two that were in stock at the store near my office.

The Warriors in Sam Ash weren't as fancy. It appears Sam Ash is offering two basic models...a double cutaway and a single cutaway. No exotic tops, matte finish, no fancy inlays, etc.. Still, they were tagged at $3,200. Seems like a lot for a stripped down model. The single cutaway didn't float my boat, and also had a little extra glue that had leaked out at one of the joints and was clearly visible. Refer back to the price when you think about that one. I was much more impressed by one of the Ibanez Artcores that I strummed the same day (it was less than 1/10th the price).

The double cutaway (sorry I didn't pay attention to model names or numbers) was flawless, and seemed to have a better tone as well. I really liked the neck profile (the same one others here say they don't like) and had a hard time putting the guitar down. Still, the stripped down guitar, as great as it was, didn't live up the $3,200 price tag.

One detail that had me scratching my head: The control cavity covers on the back are metal (which is cool) but have the Warrior logo cut into them...leaving portions of the pots and switches exposed to the elements. It looks cool, but WTF?!?

[hemlock]

I always know it's a losing battle defending these things...oh well.

What is there to defend? Do you make Warriors? Sell them? Have a personal stake in the success of the firm? I don't think KLB or I were 'attacking', just offering opinions shaped by playing a number of the guitars. Isn't that what discussion is?

[BradKM]

I always know it's a losing battle defending these things...oh well.


I probably came off sounding a little hard on them, and that wasn't my intent.

The one messy glue spot was the only physical flaw I've ever seen on the dozens and dozens of Warriors that I've examined in person.

The other guitar that I mentioned was fantastic, and absolutely flawless. I just think that once you pass a certain price point, you should expect a nice finish and maybe a little bit of flamey wood (although I'd prefer a nice solid color over a flamey finish personally).

So overall, I give a big thumbs up for quality, a big thumbs up for the fancy tops and inlays on the models that have them (if that floats your boat), and a big "?!?" on the price of the stripped down base models.

[matte]

A monument to bad taste.

[bikerdude2]

I've owned 4 of them. The first 2 were early models before the cost cutting measures..They both had Sperzel tuners, Duncan pups, purple tone bar thru the bodies and necks, etc. Both were amazing guitars. The 2 later models I owned? Nice, but not worth the $$$ IMHO.

[angelo]

A lot of them do look like show pieces.

But, the only Warrior I ever played was a plain jane ugly teal green that was simply THE most resonant guitar I have ever played. Should have bought it.

So, there are good ones out there.

[hemlock]

A monument to bad taste.

Tell us how you really feel.:D

Some are a little gaudy, huh? But, many of the guitars that I played were pretty plain and had excellent finishes and design. Great looking instruments.

[matte]

Tell us how you really feel.:D

Some are a little gaudy, huh? But, many of the guitars that I played were pretty plain and had excellent finishes and design. Great looking instruments.I played a shitload of them @ a Philly show a few years back and they felt all unfinished, rough, uninviting, etc.

[hemlock]

I played a shitload of them @ a Philly show a few years back and they felt all unfinished, rough, uninviting, etc.

That's interesting. A few of the ones I played right before the shop in ATL closed really needed setups. Maybe he tried to expand too quickly and fell behind in the QC battle that always ensues there. I haven't played one in a couple of years now, so I can't comment about anything recent.

[matte]

That's interesting. A few of the ones I played right before the shop in ATL closed really needed setups. Maybe he tried to expand too quickly and fell behind in the QC battle that always ensues there. I haven't played one in a couple of years now, so I can't comment about anything recent.Put a Warrrior next to any JG, Stevens, Koll, Baker/B3 and Warrior would mos def be embarrassing the (Warrior) family.

[HHB]

I'm holding out for the DaVinci Code inlay

[matte]

I'm holding out for the DaVinci Code inlayHow's about a Debil went down to GA LTD Sig series?

[HHB]

w/ "smyt him" high output pickups!

[Shovelhead]

I can only judge by appearance, since I've never held one. Definitely not my cup o' tea.

[matte]

17 Replies, and a total of 2 people who'd actually owned a Warrior. Good stuff....awesome contributions, everybody.... keep sniffin those corks...Why would I buy something that I didn't like? I played every guitar in their booth. Not for nothing, but I would think that a company would want their show guitars to be tip top. As for the cork sniffing, you are woefully out of your depth if you are dropping that distinction on me.

[hemlock]

w/ "smyt him" high output pickups!

Maybe a Seraphemolo wang bar?

[hemlock]

17 Replies, and a total of 2 people who'd actually owned a Warrior. Good stuff....awesome contributions, everybody.... keep sniffin those corks...

Never owned one because I never played one I wanted to own. I've played a fair number, though. Do I have to own one to decide if I like them?

[matte]

Maybe a Seraphemolo wang bar?and a Ron Thorn (sorry Ron, you are a Don of inlay, just works in this post) of crowns inlay.

[matte]

Never owned one because I never played one I wanted to own. I've played a fair number, though. Do I have to own one to decide if I like them?It's the way of the Warrior. Conscious suffering.

[Lex Luthier]

I played a Warrior Arc Angel recently, it had some silly list price like $20k. It had no vibe whatsoever. Seemed more like furniture than a guitar. I've played a few others as well, I just don't get it. Not for me I guess.

[matte]

I played a Warrior Arc Angel recently, it had some silly list price like $20k. It had no vibe whatsoever. Seemed more like furniture than a guitar. I've played a few others as well, I just don't get it. Not for me I guess.How's the guitfiddle coming along? I saw the back pics and it looks incredible! Flamey Korina!

[NuSkoolTone]

I played a few when my local boutique shop had them. One in particular caught my eye. It was an all mahogony old wood guitar with a spalted maple top and a purple heart "tone bar". It was THE most alive and resonant guitar I had EVER played to quote someone else. Note these were the first, original Warriors.

The thing that took me back is there was a HUGE CHUNK taken out of the neck and fretboard on the playing side as if someone had dropped it. When I talked to the owner (Which I know personally) He said warrior shipped the guitar that way and refused to correct it. After that point, he never dealt Warrior guitars again.

Oh, and the price?????? $4k for a blem guitar. I still think about that guitar though(When reminded of warrior), had it been $2k I would have snatched it, because it sounded THAT good to me. Priced as it was, I simply couldn't justify dropping that kind of coin for a guitar PERIOD, more less one that wasn't perfect!

[Lex Luthier]

How's the guitfiddle coming along? I saw the back pics and it looks incredible! Flamey Korina!

I might assemble it today, it's pretty much done otherwise. I'm looking forward to cranking it up.

[hemlock]

It's the way of the Warrior. Conscious suffering.

Ahhhh. I have a Kent for that.

[ttuck]

I had the same experience as Matte. They had a big booth at one of the Philly shows last year, I played a number of them. All were very ornate and beautiful, seemed to be well constructed guitars - but in my hands there was just something missing. I'll take the tone/feel/playability of my Baker, PRSi, or Nik Huber over any of the Warriors I played. Nice guitars, but I just didn't bond with them.

[matte]

I might assemble it today, it's pretty much done otherwise. I'm looking forward to cranking it up.PICS! PICS!

[Lex Luthier]

PICS! PICS!

:AOK
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3362/paint184dj.jpg

[matte]

:AOK
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3362/paint184dj.jpgMORE!!!!!!!

[Lex Luthier]

MORE!!!!!!!

Tomorrow, I need to finish a couple things yet.
:RoCkIn

[Paulpuck68]

I own three Warriors with number four on its way to me in the next couple of weeks. For the most part they are extremely beautiful instruments. I know some people don't like the exotic looks (ie furniture like) but I look at it a little differently. If I'm going to pay $4,000 for a guitar I want it to look good and play good. Not trying to be a snob but if I want a guitar to just sound good I'll pay a lot less and get a LP gold top or burst strat. I've worked hard to get to a position in life where I can afford to treat myself and I do it with high dollar guitars. I think there is a problem with the guitars and that is the stock pickups aren't that great. Most of their guitars would sound a lot better with high end pickups that match the price of the guitar.

On a personal note JD is a very nice guy and will actually speak to you unlike a few high end guitar makers. I also like his buy to build policy where you can pay for the guitar at intervals you decide. Obviously the guitars I have purchased from them where on par with other highend makers or I wouldn't have continued to buy them. I do find his religious overtones to be a little over the top but that's just me.

I don't think they are the best. Personally the best made and playing guitars I have owned are the Huber's and Baker's. They look nice and play very very well. I'm not totally crazy about the pickups Gene used for the Bakers but they just play so well and Gene is an incredibly nice guy too. The Huber's do have great pickups and are among my current favorites.

I also bought an Abyss guitar guitar a couple of years ago. While I think his workmanship is not as polished as the others, the guitar he built for me is beyond words tone wise. Not sure why but it just has "it". However that is the only Abyss I have palyed so who knows maybe it was a happy accident.

I think when paying this much for a guitar you should play as many as you can find first. Guitar players are as varied as their music they perform and what works for someone won't another. The joy is in finding what does work for yourself and letting that bond take your music to a different level.

http://hometown.aol.com/paulpuck/images/warrior%20collection.jpg

[matte]

Guitar players are as varied as their music they perform and what works for someone won't another. The joy is in finding what does work for yourself and letting that bond take your music to a different level.
Right on.

[hemlock]

That spalted top in the middle is sweet!

[MikeyG]

my experience is the same as bikerdudes. The early ones had some mojo. Many of the prettier ones put looks before tones, and suffer greatly as a result.

The company was founded by a bass player. Basses are their strong suit.

[Paulpuck68]

I posted some early production photos of my Derringer and thought I'd share the finished product. Of the four Warriors I own this one is the best sounding. The body and neck finish is the annoited oil so it's not so "glossy" looking but it has tone for days.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200372s.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200370s.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200367s.jpg

[Roosevelt]

I posted some early production photos of my Derringer and thought I'd share the finished product. Of the four Warriors I own this one is the best sounding. The body and neck finish is the annoited oil so it's not so "glossy" looking but it has tone for days.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200372s.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200370s.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/P6200367s.jpg
:drool:drool:drool

I need to try one of these. My friend Keith is on the artists list and I really need to go up there to Rossville soon with him. I played his Warrior bass and thought it was amazing!

[HHB]

anointed oil? your kidding?

[Paulpuck68]

anointed oil? your kidding?

JD from Warriors description not mine. I'm guessing it is like a French polish type procedure. Maybe the local Bishop is a guitar nut who knows.

[Antero]

anointed oil? your kidding?Certain things in life really just are theirown punchlines, neh?

:rotflmao

[Joel D]

Here's my 2000 model...
http://drabicki2.home.comcast.net/images/Others-Sold/Warrior003.jpg

http://drabicki2.home.comcast.net/images/Others-Sold/Warrior001.jpg



I agree that the pups leave a lot to be desired, but this axe is very acoustically resonant...it just sings. I swapped the bridge pup out and it is much better now. It's a great playing and feeling guitar and the quality and attention to detail is amazing.

[dkaplowitz]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/Nooch_2006/943bf0cb.jpg

[ford]

I haven't played a Warrior guitar, but the three basses I've played were all spectacular. Played great and looked, well like very high end basses, with lots of exotic woods and stuff like that. You know, crazy bass player stuff!:rolleyes:

rock

bford

[shallbe]

I've played a few. Let me saw I've never seen a spalted top I liked.

With that out of the way, I got no organic feeling from the guitars. Really did not resonante with me in the looks, feel, design or sound dept.

[Jon Silberman]

I had the same experience as Matte. They had a big booth at one of the Philly shows last year, I played a number of them. All were very ornate and beautiful, seemed to be well constructed guitars - but in my hands there was just something missing. I'll take the tone/feel/playability of my Baker, PRSi, or Nik Huber over any of the Warriors I played. Nice guitars, but I just didn't bond with them.
Hey, I was at that show and booth, too, maybe I saw you there!

I actually had the exact same reactions as you.

[kovachian]

Warriors have always intrigued me in a strange way. Not the Renaissance Knights Templar Omen Cathedral lookin' things of doom, but the friendlier down to earth examples. Trying one out just isn't an option for me as there's none around here that I'm aware of. I read that quality had taken some hits during the showroom period, how exactly were shortcuts being made? Are there certain model years to avoid?

[Paulpuck68]

Warriors have always intrigued me in a strange way. Not the Renaissance Knights Templar Omen Cathedral lookin' things of doom, but the friendlier down to earth examples. Trying one out just isn't an option for me as there's none around here that I'm aware of. I read that quality had taken some hits during the showroom period, how exactly were shortcuts being made? Are there certain model years to avoid?


The only comments I have seen in those regard are from Ed Roman and he has said the same thing about every luthier that decided to opt out of their exclusive deals with him. After McNaught did the same thing he blasted them as well. Like most small luthiers it is nearly impossible to try one out but if you get a chance go for it. Maybe it works for you and maybe it doesn't but you never know til you try.

[fretnot]

I played a few a while back, and they weren't enjoyable enough for me to get past the horrid inlays and alligator skin tops. They would probably look really cool on someone's wall in a "Crib's" episide. Some of the non inlayed ones were mroe appealing to me. Different strokes I guess...

[yanquii]

i really dig the guitars they made for Sam Ash.

http://www.warriorinstruments.com/images/genxdc_3d.jpg

http://www.warriorinstruments.com/images/genxsc_3d.jpg

http://www.warriorinstruments.com/images/classicdc_3d.jpg

http://www.warriorinstruments.com/images/classicsc_3d.jpg

I also think the signature is one of the coolest looking doublecuts ever made. I love the way they carve their tops.

[daddyo]

I love it when these old threads surface.

[DualRectifier]

Wow, I remember this thread....dang this was over a year ago.

Here is the dreadfully tacky and over the top Signature Isabella lacking any mojo I was describing in all that:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1609/dscf2173pv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5152/dscf2174cc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



The guys who make these things are nuttier than a Claxton fruit cake, but I will buy another Warrior every chance I get...I love the forum-bashing; keeps the prices down...

[Chun13]

Looks nice !!!

[Aardvark]

I have owned two Warriors (not mega-inlaid). Hands down the most ergonomic and organic guitars out there, very elegant. Tone can vary of course. I sold one Isabella which didn't have the tone I was after. I still have the other, a set neck strat-style. I think it's called a '54 retro throwback or something like that. It has a chambered swamp ash body with carved maple top, maple/purpleheart neck, rosewood board. Very resonant and toneful. Great guitar in every respect.

[robbph37]

I bought a Dran M for $5,000 a year ago at a guitar show. It played great but just could not deliver a big, warm tone. I loved the neck but again the tone left something to be desired. This was my first Bout. guitar so I learned a hard lesson. I basically had $5k in my pocket that day and was determined to find a great guitar.:NUTS Again a hard lesson. I recently sold the Dran for $2500. It took 3 listings to sell it. In short the resale value on Warrior is really bad. I also had a couple of bad experiences with the shop as well. In short I would not buy another one and if you do do not buy it direct unless you know you will keep it.

[MOJO]

i've heard a not so nice story about the way the company totally screwed the original designer and builder of Warrior's guitars..he posts on the HC forum but i can't think of his name at the moment..something like the guy went on vacation and came back to empty building everything gone with no fowarding address... and they screwed him out of any rights he had to the designs and name

[DualRectifier]

Well I wouldn't worry about it. They're all but out of the guitar business any more.

If you want a Warrior, buy a used one; if you don't like it, flip it. Pretty much solves any concerns there.

[larrylover]

Actually, Ede Wright was the guy I was talking about, and it's his guitar that I now own. He was my teacher. So, knowing that the exact guitar you're talking about not having a good sound, even in the hands of a great player, I just don't get it. I think it sounds great.

I've had Fenders, PRS, Gibson, Hamer USA, G&L, Charvel, Kramer, just more guitars than I can count. The Warrior makes the rest of them look like they were built by monkeys. Of course every guitar has its own sound, but personally I like the sound of mine. Actually, to be honest, I don't get the PRS thing at all. You spend all that money, and the first thing you do is have to change out the pickups...and who knows what else just to get it to sound decent. Guitars are just one of those intensely personal preference things, I guess.

I love it: "My guitar is the greatest thing since sliced bread; better than any of the other crap out there. My guitar is so good, I don't want it any more. I want you to have it. Here, you take it. Fast. The damn thing is so good, I need it out of here."

[larrylover]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/Nooch_2006/943bf0cb.jpg

Clink! Clink!Clink! Clink! Clink!
Warriors!
Come out to play, yeh!
Warriors!
Come out to play, yeh!

[tmihm]

Geez...I don't know how I missed this one way back when, but thought I should chime in.

This is my sob story with JD and the gang from about 3-4 years ago. The WORST guitar buying experience I've ever had, without a doubt. I had one prior to that which was absolutely incredible.

...should have quit when I was ahead. Custom order. $4300. Here's what I got. You could argue that some of this might be nit-picky, but wait till you get to the bottom of the list.:(


1. The fret slots on the side of the neck - some of them are filled...and some are not filled
2. There's a huge sap grain on the mahogany neck
3. There are two pin-size holes in the back of the neck
4. The area where the lacquer meets the scraped wood - there's no "line" - it just goes from 'shiny' to 'dull' to 'not there'(this was REALLY BAD)
5. You can feel the scrapes in the neck where the lacquer was scraped off
6. The back of the body has solder resin splashed on it
7. The output jack is a bit crooked
8. Between where the neck meets the body (by the truss rod adjustment) there's a huge amount of lacquer buildup that was not buffed down
9. Where the treble side horn meets the body:
a). There's a bad glue-up
b). The wrong color filler was used
c). You can feel it raised up off of the body
10. On the side of the 12th fret, one of the markers is lower than the other
11. The markers also go from white (on the low end) to 'pink' (on the high end)
12. On the rhythm pickup - the holes on the covers were drilled larger than the other ones and the cover wasnot replaced to matchthe other two
13. The piezo knob is crooked and rubs against the topwhen turned
14. One of the screws in not set in correctly on the cavity plate and sticks up

The show stoppers:

15. The treble pickup routing is very far off to the left, so that the strings do not go over the pickups and the middle and bridge pickups will have much less output

16. The set-neck is SEVERELY TWISTED. The bass side is under bowed and the treble side is back bowed.

This saga ended after a 2-year+ ugly legal tango. I got my money back.

If I were hell-bent on buying one, I would seriously consider examining and playing one already built first rather than taking a custom order route.

Oh wait - this is how it ends:

I saw it back up for sale on their website 2 months later with EMG's added to hide problem # 15. Only it was $5900 this time!!!!!!!

[clothwiring]

I've only seen them in magazines and at guitar shows, never played them. But for that money I'll get something else.

[snoopy1@isoc.ne]

They STINK!!!!! never again. :horse

[Antero]

God, tmihm, that's kinda terrifying.

[Flinto2002]

I had one. beautiful guitar on a cursory inspection until you get close.

The inlays were shit.....some of them didn't even set flush with the fretboard or eachother. Mine had gaps so big you fit 3 buisiness cards between the abalone & pearl. I sent it back for them to fix, which they sort of did but it still looked crappy. How is it that a $500 schecter diamond series can have inlays that shit all over a $4K guitar?

Fretwork was sloppy. I ordered wood pickup rings for an upcharge....they came unsanded, looked like soembody made them in shop class.

I loved the shape of the guitar, the top carve and the look. The top was beautiful and the tobacco burst was really spot on.

But the guitar cost me $4000, and like a jackass i let JD talk me into $300 warrior care which is their near worthless warranty plan.

The guitar sounded thin and brittle, had a duncan custom in the bridge and a 59 in the neck (not my favorite p'ups). I did not like the neck carve and even unplugeed the sound was not happening. I sold it on ebay 4 months later for $2400

Love the body style, but would never buy again.

[daddyo]

Their website is enough to turn me off from their products.

[Medicito]

I played one years ago in Dallas, a complete travesty for what they make their customers pay. No "It" factor whatsover, no love put in it.

As for the customers who somehow believe that they rock and are a great investment, you must be the same people who think an Ed Roman Quicksilver rocks.:rotflmao:jo

[PinoyBoy]

I don't have a Warrior guitar, but I do have a 5-string bass. I like it a lot. The neck works well for my hands, I get the tones I want for the music I plat (funk, jazz, contemporary christian), body is just the right size, etc. It's far from my dream MTD but you get what you pay for.

I didn't realize how negatively people perceive their guitars.

[Shark21]

I played Rick Derringer's guitars at the Florida Guitar Show this past year. They were really vibrant and full bodied acoustically. I didn't get to crank them up, so I'm not sure about the pickups and amplified sound. Beautiful craftsmanship on the instruments I checked out. A little pricey for the new ones, however.

[Paulpuck68]

I played Rick Derringer's guitars at the Florida Guitar Show this past year. They were really vibrant and full bodied acoustically. I didn't get to crank them up, so I'm not sure about the pickups and amplified sound. Beautiful craftsmanship on the instruments I checked out. A little pricey for the new ones, however.


I would have to agree on the Derringer's. They are my favorite Warrior guitar by far. I have a couple of others that don't have any of the problems listed in the earlier post but my Derringer is superior. I prefer Thorns, Hubers and Gene Baker's guitars but the Warrior's I have are similar in quality to other guitars in a similar price range. The resale value on Warrior's doesn't hold up as well though. However I'd deal with JD over Ed Roman any day.

[Jon Silberman]

Their website is enough to turn me off from their products.
Just checked out their website. Why do you find it such a turn-off? :confused:

[gopherbroke]

I like the website. I wouldn't buy one of their guitars after hearing everyone comments. I love my Mcnaught. Had a bad exeprience with roman in the beginnging but at least the guitar rocks.

[daddyo]

Just checked out their website. Why do you find it such a turn-off? :confused:
Aside from hard to navigate to anything meaningful, I dislike all the pseudo-mystical sword and sorcery stuff. Warrior ethos. Annointed oil. Weird galleries. Like a SCA conference. I like a website that shows me the guitars with in depth specs and prices or links to dealers. That coupled with the first-hand reports here leads me to believe they spend more time in kooky fantasies than designing and building guitars.

[Rosewood]

I don't know about this company but I've seen similar when a company starts good then starts to believe all the bounce back hype and smells blood. Then it's off to the races to build and sell for the money only, income rises and quality falls.

[tmihm]

This was my attorney's best line of the whole thing:

"Since you profess to have divinely inspired workman, I would suggest that you seek inspiration from the Christian Deity rather than a God of the Visigoths."

:eek::)

[Rosewood]

This was my attorney's best line of the whole thing:

"Since you profess to have divinely inspired workman, I would suggest that you seek inspiration from the Christian Deity rather than a God of the Visigoths."

:eek::)
Now that's entertaining. :rotflmao

[Jon Silberman]

This was my attorney's best line of the whole thing:

"Since you profess to have divinely inspired workman, I would suggest that you seek inspiration from the Christian Deity rather than a God of the Visigoths."

:eek::)
What part of this forum's minimal set of rules do you not understand?

[mbrown3]

What part of this forum's minimal set of rules do you not understand?

How was he breaking the rules?

[AlligatorMtn]

"no religion on politics" - however i dont think he meant any harm with his statement - he wasnt expressing views on either side - just stating a quote

[mbrown3]

Wow, he was just quoting what one person said to another. Are we that sensitive these days?

[GDking]

Wow, he was just quoting what one person said to another. Are we that sensitive these days?

Rules are there for a reason. Just because you thought it was funny or not a big deal does not mean others did not. And if they respond how they want to, they are breaking the rules.

[mbrown3]

Sorry, I missed the part in the rules where it says, "thou shalt not post anything containing any reference to religion or anything remotely close, even if it's just quoting what someone else said, in the context of the current discussion." Sometimes there's a fine line between free speech and people trying to force their personal views on others, but this is a bit over the top. I don't even see this as a religious comment...I read it as a tongue-in-cheek response to the quasi-religious iconology on Warrior's site by a lawyer trying to make a point.

[Flinto2002]

Amen!.....I mean....Uhh well said. Sheesh, I'm getting so tired of the PC slant our society is taking.

[daddyo]

I mentioned mystical and annointed. Did I break the rules? No Black Sabbath discussions.

[Jon Silberman]

Cute.

[tmihm]

I'm sorry if I offended, guys. I just thought it was funny as um...'heck', and you would get a kick out of it.:o

Warrior is a self-proclaimed "Christian" company. The first part of the statement is a fact. So...is that the part that was offensive or was it the reference to the Visigoths?

Should we ban posts about Warrior Guitars due to the religous overtone of their advertising? Sounds like an easy hole to fall into for the person posting.

And for those not familiar, these guys were the Visgoths:

The Sack ofRome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) occurred onAugust 24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_24), 410 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/410). The city was attacked by the Visigoths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths), led by Alaric I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I). The Roman capital had been moved to the Italian city of Ravenna by the young emperor Honorius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorius), after the Visigoths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths) entered Italy.
This was the first time in almost 800 years that Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) had fallen to an enemy. The previous sack of Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Allia) was by Gauls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul) under their leader Brennus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennus_%284th_century%29) in 387 BC. Some historians see this as the end of the Western Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Roman_Empire)

I will be more careful with my posting in the future. I think that was kind of a grey area though...

Terry

[fugot]

yeah, but didn't the visigoths turn to christianity on their march to Rome, so by the time they got there, they didn't plunder (or as much as they could have??)? (i know one of the attackers did this -not sure which time/or who).
And Rome never fell I thought, (although western roman power significantly waned until the crusades era), they(the emperor constantine and 60,000 of the richest romans) all moved to constintinople in 317ad.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/fugot/electric%20guitars/warrior/100_0758.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/fugot/electric%20guitars/warrior/100_0750.jpg
as for warrior, I love my three axes. Maybe I just got lucky in finding good ones. (they are from around 2001-2003) I have a kings closet (hawaiin lady), a dran michael (spalted maple with tiger inlay) and a spalted maple signature with peizo and midi connections. I prefer more of aC shape neck, but I don't know I sort of like what i have.
Totally agreed on the resale issue, though. I don't play the tiger inlay spalted maple as much since I bought the signature, so i ahve been thinking of selling it. It hurts just thinking about it.

Just from a guitar point of view, some warrior's are righteous, some are not. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water, is my point, although I think it is really the coffee speaking..:BEER

[wstsidela]

Who wouldn't want to own a 2000 year old reclaimed crucifix wood guitar?

[Aardvark]

A few shots of my Warrior, this one a 25.5" scale, unlike Warrior's more customary 25". Loaded with Fralin SP42's. Stainless frets. This guitar is easily on par with my Suhr's and Grosh's in build quality and tone.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg207/joeschmoe242/IMG_0012.jpghttp://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg207/joeschmoe242/IMG_0011.jpghttp://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg207/joeschmoe242/IMG_0010.jpghttp://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg207/joeschmoe242/IMG_0013.jpg

[cg]

A monument to bad taste.
I couldn't agree more.

[Aardvark]

Sorry about the wierd horizontal pic posting above. My first attempt. Please clue me in as to how to format pics vertically next time. Thanks.

[JMG]

Too gaudy for me. And this is from a guy who has two guitars with highly figured maple tops and gold hardware.

[tmihm]

Check out where the high E string sits over the bridge pickup. Thats an 'oucher'. :eek:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/tmihm/WarriorPickup.jpg

[fugot]

but other then that mrs lincoln, how was the play?

Sweet flame koa btw....

I love my two warriors....resonant and lively. no issues what so ever.

and you can probably buy them cheap used these days, just check it out in person-seems to be the rule....

I play my koa warrior all the time..

[tmihm]

[quote=fugot;3445911]but other then that mrs lincoln, how was the play?

I never played it. Almost dropped dead on the spot after finding the 15 or so problems with it. I drove straight back to UPS and shipped it back.

...and that was a whole other ordeal, but oh well...

I picked that koa top. A shame to ruin a top like that.

[MikeyG]

[quote=fugot;3445911]but other then that mrs lincoln, how was the play?

I never played it. Almost dropped dead on the spot after finding the 15 or so problems with it. I drove straight back to UPS and shipped it back.

...and that was a whole other ordeal, but oh well...

I picked that koa top. A shame to ruin a top like that.

Terry, what did you do with the Warrior I sold you? That was a good sounding one, IMO.

[tmihm]

Terry, what did you do with the Warrior I sold you? That was a good sounding one, IMO.[/quote]
Hi Mikey.

Total bummer on the zebrawood one. I loved it, but ended up trading it to Warrior toward the albatross featured above. I liked that one so much, I ordered one to be built with three single coils. I should have just been happy with what I had, but you know....what a fool I was.

[LTE]

I remember when a certain person on the internet was pushing them hard, so that's when I first heard of them.

Nice but a little gaudy for me (at least some of their work).

[eugewong]

Never tried a Warrior guitar, but the basses I've tried are killer.

The Adam Nitti model in particular was very very nice.

[hemlock]

Never tried a Warrior guitar, but the basses I've tried are killer.

The Adam Nitti model in particular was very very nice.

Wish it could make m play like adam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b13rwM2XPxQ