West Coast Blues Thread - Version 2.0

[Poppa Stoppa]

500s on my H-44, but then it used to be Junior's, so of course.

Main thing with the Hersheys, I think, is watch out for the strings going over the rivets.Ya mean make sure they don't?

[Scott Miller]

"Ya mean make sure they don't?"

Yes. Or maybe it's not that simple. "Rivet interference" is what it amounts to. Part of it is the sound; it can lower the volume on a string, part of it is string interference, when trying desperately to lower the action on those bowed necks, the string bottoms out on the rivet.

[valcotone]

I have stock 50K pots in one H44, and 500K CTS pots in another... I notice that the 50K lends a slightly sweeter tone which lends itself more to archtop tones than the 500K-equipped one.

That said, the 500K pots are more versatile since they let more highs through due to less loading on the pickups. With the 500Ks the tone pot is wired-in full-time so it's like 250K in parallel vs. 50K with the stock pot with tone switch OFF. You can get very close (identical?) to the 50K tone by rolling off the vol and tone on the 500K guitar.

I don't think one is better than the other, it depends what tones you're going for.

[valcotone]

"Ya mean make sure they don't?"

Yes. Or maybe it's not that simple. "Rivet interference" is what it amounts to. Part of it is the sound; it can lower the volume on a string, part of it is string interference, when trying desperately to lower the action on those bowed necks, the string bottoms out on the rivet.



When I was experimenting with a bridge pup in the H44, I put a few pickups there on top of the body and monitored the output while sliding them around under the strings... I found it wasn't consistent from one pickup to another... some had less output with the high-E right above the rivet, while others didn't seem to be as effected... on some pickups, the highest output for the high-E was just outside (2mm) of the rivet... this is where I ended up mounting it. This was with 5-6 pickups to pick from. I guess there is some inconsistency of the coils that causes these effects?

[Scott Miller]

Cinco de Mayo is just around the corner, and can anyone tell me who played the guitar solo in Ritchie Valens "La Bamba?" It's some tough stuff. Must be some studio guy, right? Mickey Baker? Rene Hall?

[Thinsocks]

Cinco de Mayo is just around the corner, and can anyone tell me who played the guitar solo in Ritchie Valens "La Bamba?" It's some tough stuff. Must be some studio guy, right? Mickey Baker? Rene Hall?


Rene Hall. I think Earl Palmer on drums too.

[Schwalbe]

Cinco de Mayo is just around the cornerSo does it seem weird that I'm playing that date in a Chinese restaurant in a small Wisconsin town? Strikes me as funny anyway.

[Strat-O]

Not to me, its May 5th all over the world. I'm playing a trendy/upscale American restaurant that night.

[DonM]

I have stock 50K pots in one H44, and 500K CTS pots in another... I notice that the 50K lends a slightly sweeter tone which lends itself more to archtop tones than the 500K-equipped one.

That said, the 500K pots are more versatile since they let more highs through due to less loading on the pickups. With the 500Ks the tone pot is wired-in full-time so it's like 250K in parallel vs. 50K with the stock pot with tone switch OFF. You can get very close (identical?) to the 50K tone by rolling off the vol and tone on the 500K guitar.

I don't think one is better than the other, it depends what tones you're going for.


I forgot to mention, I was thinking about a vari-resistance knob - and running a guitar on 1 megs and loading up the signal to the cord as needed with a vari-knob ... hopefully a sweep style like a reostat or the vari-tone switch and load it with resistors to match 50k - 100k 250k 300k and 500k... this way I would be able to have it all.. :AOK

[pete kanaras]

I forgot to mention, I was thinking about a vari-resistance knob - and running a guitar on 1 megs and loading up the signal to the cord as needed with a vari-knob ... hopefully a sweep style like a reostat or the vari-tone switch and load it with resistors to match 50k - 100k 250k 300k and 500k... this way I would be able to have it all.. :AOK

that's prrretty slick there don....

[Birdseye]

So does it seem weird that I'm playing that date in a Chinese restaurant in a small Wisconsin town? Strikes me as funny anyway.

Ha! We're playing it at Flanigan's...yup, a little Irish pub. I think it's funny too.

[Short Bus]

Here's one for Shortbus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QF5IXAAEg
I can't believe you let that girl get away...fred

I know I know I'm feelin like a schmuck. We're back there this weekend. She said was coming out again. If so, fuhgeddaboudit...

I can't believe somebody gyrated their hips in such a profane manner long before Elvis was the ruination of our youth!! :crazyguy

[dddelta]

Finally got something on Youtube of the Danelectro out of phase mod that Poppa Stoppa reccomended getting done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Vj2BsoX_U

[straightblues]

Finally got something on Youtube of the Danelectro out of phase mod that Poppa Stoppa reccomended getting done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Vj2BsoX_U
That sounds nice. I use to have that some guitar. I ended up getting a pickguard with the cream colored graphic and then painting the back of the pickguard with some metalic blue paint. It made it look really nice.

[groove_king]

Finally got something on Youtube of the Danelectro out of phase mod that Poppa Stoppa reccomended getting done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Vj2BsoX_U

Hey that's nice Kev. Mine sounds exactly the same. Gotta love that cardboard tone! What amp are you using?

Mine is sitting in the computer room just getting home play. When I finally get some trad blues gigs (S.W. you out there, son?) I'm gonna drag it out. As someone said about the U2s earlier in this thread, if you flip to the front pup and wind the tone down you get a cool Chess Robert Jr vibe - great for backing up harps.

[dddelta]

Hey that's nice Kev. Mine sounds exactly the same. Gotta love that cardboard tone! What amp are you using?

To go with the mucho cheapness of the Dano, the amp was my trusty practice in da hoose Roland Micro Cube!! (Pro Junior was too loud!!)

[rhartt1234]

As someone said about the U2s earlier in this thread, if you flip to the front pup and wind the tone down you get a cool Chess Robert Jr vibe - great for backing up harps.

So if I flip the front pickup I get out of phase in the middle position AND the Robert Jr./Chess tone on the neck? Or is it two different mods?

[groove_king]

So if I flip the front pickup I get out of phase in the middle position AND the Robert Jr./Chess tone on the neck? Or is it two different mods?

I meant if you switch to the front pup, not 'flip' it as per changing its orientation. Sorry for the misunderstanding - too much slang! :)

The front pup with the tone wound off through the right amp is nice dark wooly tone perfect for backing up a harp.

To get the OOP in the middle position, just reverse the positions of the wires coming off the bridge pup (i.e. unsolder both wires, put the black wire where the white one went and vice versa).

[rhartt1234]

So...yes then!
Shows you what I know. My U2 hasn't been plugged in in a couple of years but I have been plucking it around the house quite a bit lately.

That out of phase mod sounds so easy even I could do it. Nahhh!

[groove_king]

So...yes then!
Shows you what I know. My U@ hasn't been plugged in in a couple of years but I have been plucking it around the house quite a bit lately.

That out of phase mod sounds so easy even I could do it. Nahhh!

Yes it is!

I reckon you could manage it Ryan ... wait a minute, you're a harp player ain't you? Better give it to Eric ...:rotflmao

[dukeh62]

Yes it is!

I reckon you could manage it Ryan ... wait a minute, you're a harp player ain't you? Better give it to Eric ...:rotflmao

Love it!

[TwoFeets]

Not that we guitar players are any better. If you could only see the rat's nest that was my attempt at soldering together a Telecaster control plate... you'd see why I said "eff it" and bought one of those pre-wired kits from Mojo!

[dukeh62]

Had the pleasure to do a two-guitar gig with our own Nick Adams last night. Good gawd...Nick was absolutely on FIRE!!! Sent me running for the woodshed!

So what do the two gear freaks show up playing? Strats.

Nick...thanks for hipping me to that new chord!!

[TwoFeets]

Damn, I just clicked on # of posts by accident and noticed I just passed Jersey George on the list, and now trail only mikelaw. I *need* to get a life.

[groove_king]

Had the pleasure to do a two-guitar gig with our own Nick Adams last night. Good gawd...Nick was absolutely on FIRE!!! Sent me running for the woodshed!

So what do the two gear freaks show up playing? Strats.

Nick...thanks for hipping me to that new chord!!

Hey man, nuthin' wrong with Strats. Now how's about sharing that chord ...

[Echo Are]

Me thinks dukeh62 wasn't putting down Strats, Groove King, lol.

I haven't owned a Strato-anything for 3 years, but only because my first 4 electrics were(mostly cheapo)flavors of Strat, culminating in my first remotely play-outable guitar, a 1995 Fender Japan '50s-Reissue Strat(OK axe let down by weak pickups). I kinda went into Strat burnout some years later.

[Dave Orban]

Damn, I just clicked on # of posts by accident and noticed I just passed Jersey George on the list, and now trail only mikelaw. I *need* to get a life.
Amateurs.

[Stringmaster]

For all you Tiny/T-Bone fans with deep pockets--Too cool!
DD
http://www.bernunzio.com/item.php?sku=0710773

[GOLDENSTRAT]

That tenor is nutz! fred

[valcotone]

Some new Junior Watson on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL00F8eH2xQ

Blues After Hours with the Billy Watson band.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Some new Junior Watson on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL00F8eH2xQ

Blues After Hours with the Billy Watson band.Woof woof! That is cool. I have come to think Junior owes more to Pee Wee Crayton than almost anyone else. That almost 'dumb but hip' phrasing.

[Stringmaster]

That Jr. clip was taken at the Harpfest here in San Diego a few weeks ago--I think the camera man was right behind me--asked me to duck a few times! Thanks for sharing. DD

[HappyValley]

Had the pleasure to do a two-guitar gig with our own Nick Adams last night. Good gawd...Nick was absolutely on FIRE!!! Sent me running for the woodshed!

So what do the two gear freaks show up playing? Strats.

Nick...thanks for hipping me to that new chord!!


A great time at Vincent's in Worcester as always.....

DukeH62 my man! You sounded fanatastic the other night.....HUGE tone w/that skip simmons rig (Wow!!) and I've had cheeseburgers that weigh more than that USA Custom strat of yours....just a gorgeous guitar. Good job on the set-up too....I'm useless with that stuff.

Jeff Berg (bass)and Tim Brown (drums)of Worcester, MA USA have had this residency at this way cool small joint called Vincent's on Thursdays (used to be Wednesdays I think) for , geesh, 10 years...give or take? It's a great hang and they're both killer players and even BETTER guys (which, to me,these days,is far more important).

I played this 80's Tokai strat I scored on Ebay awhile ago and I like it a lot, stock w/no mods. It's not super light and the neck, although not thin by any stretch , isn't the full fat Gibson-y neck I'm used to, but I don't want to mess with anything 'cause it's got it's own sound/vibe and I'm diggin' it!

[Strat-O]

Jersey who? :BluesBros


Any of you guys know about the ES-135? Its like an ES-175 with a center block? P90's or P100's...for less $700-$900?

[Schwalbe]

ES135? It's thinner than a 175, not as thin as a 335 and it has a center block. I know a guy that plays one regularly. It's a first or second year issue IIRC. The P100s suck. He put SD Antiquities in it and it sounds great. It's a very nice guitar. I played a new ES137 recently and it was garbage, sloppy finish, quite heavy and shrill/brittle sounding.

[TwoFeets]

ES135? It's thinner than a 175, not as thin as a 335 and it has a center block. I know a guy that plays one regularly. It's a first or second year issue IIRC. The P100s suck. He put SD Antiquities in it and it sounds great. It's a very nice guitar. I played a new ES137 recently and it was garbage, sloppy finish, quite heavy and shrill/brittle sounding.

I've played a few and other than the P100's, I've quite liked them, though quality-wise they can be hit or miss. For a semi-hollow the ones I played were fairly light. I think the center block is balsa.

When they came out with the ES137's they put real P90's in one of the models, but then they went ahead and put a stoptail-tune-a-matic setup on it, which I feel makes semihollows sound closer to a LP than an archtop. I like trapeze setups on semi-hollows.

Still for under a grand for that guitar, you can't go wrong, IMO - they're not that cheapo faded finish, either.

[Dave Orban]

ES135? It's thinner than a 175, not as thin as a 335 and it has a center block. I know a guy that plays one regularly. It's a first or second year issue IIRC. The P100s suck. He put SD Antiquities in it and it sounds great. It's a very nice guitar. I played a new ES137 recently and it was garbage, sloppy finish, quite heavy and shrill/brittle sounding.
If I'm not mistaken, I think Charlie Baty gigs P100s in his 295...

[Strat-O]

I've got to liquidate some stuff now but I got an '05 135 with a vintage Gibson sunburst finish (no red). It was one of only 10 or 15 that year and came with P90's. I used on my gigs Fri/Sat this weekend and it sounds great, not too far from my H62 but more comfortable to play. What a killer deal on these, much better than a urethane finished foreign guitar.

[straightblues]

Anyone using a small amp into a big amp? I saw Rick Holmstrom recently playing through some small amp into a Super Reverb and it sound really great. I have never tried this and don't really know how to hook it up. Give me the low down fellas.

[HappyValley]

Straightblues-

He once told me about getting one of the input jacks on an old small amp converted to a 'line-out' and then simply connect the patch cord into the input of the larger amp.

[safecracker]

Straightblues-

He once told me about getting one of the input jacks on an old small amp converted to a 'line-out' and then simply connect the patch cord into the input of the larger amp.
Straightblues, if you use a line out,does it retain the first amps sound on the second amp by going thru the preamp or does it just use the signal going in to where second amp has it's own sound that's not colored by the first amp?

[frank62]

Straightblues, if you use a line out,does it retain the first amps sound on the second amp by going thru the preamp or does it just use the signal going in to where second amp has it's own sound that's not colored by the first amp?
That can be done by simply using a cable from one amp's input to the other. There is no need for a line out.

[safecracker]

That can be done by simply using a cable from one amp's input to the other. There is no need for a line out.
Frank, does the second amp retain the first amps sound? Is it safe to assume that Holmstrom made one of the inputs a line-out so he could send it to the p.a. without having to mic the amp or he could send the line-out signal to another amp.I'm just trying to learn the art of piggybacking amps.Thanks,Shawn

[nc slim]

Can Anyone confirm If watson will be w Nemeth this fri in Nc. I heard Watson was not coming. I will probably go anyway but would like to know. Anyone give me the scoop????

[Schwalbe]

If you take a look at the schemo for a DR II http://www.schematicheaven.com/fenderamps/deluxereverb_II.pdf you can see what Fender did for a line out off the speaker output. I used one like that on my 5E3 for while, ran it into a SFDR or SFVR, worked OK. It just puts a voltage divider on the speaker extension jack so it becomes a line out. It's no good for an extension speaker anymore. The stock fender values are 2.2K and 270 ohms, the 270 goes to ground. I wound up using a slightly lower value, 220 or 180 or something and a small cap, (100pf?) to soften the output and get rid of the harsh highs. This set up will send the output of one amp into the input of another. I'd use the #2 input 'cause it's attenuated and easier to control.
It does work, YMMV.

[btg]

Nemeth is playing Poor Davids in Dallas on 5/16 and Watson is listed on all the advertising if that helps.

[pete kanaras]

Rip Carey Bell

[valcotone]

Rip Carey Bell



That's a shame! I was just watching some Carey Bell video last night.

Rest well Mr. Bell.

[TwoFeets]

From what I was told when inquiring about whether Watson would be here with Nemeth in Tampa in June, you have to be take the promo literature on the Nemeth shows with a grain of salt because someone's agent hasn't been very good at making sure everyone has the latest information.

[jetlag]

Real sorry to hear that about Carey. RIP. Thanks for posting that Pete.

When you just daisy chain amps, you are only sending the guitar signal on to the second amp. You are not not shaping it with the first amp's circuitry and then passing that affected signal on to the second amp like what Rick is doing, and what Dan described so well in the above post. Doing that - line out - is a totally different deal. You can hard wire that into your amp or you can buy an external box that you plug your amp and speaker into - it then gives you another output(s) to run to either an amp or board. But that costs some $$$$ while Dan's method is just a couple resistors and know-how.

My understanding from talking with Junior on the 25th is that he's staying with John until the Doheny Blues Festival May 19,20. At that fest, he's playing with John and the Texas Horns (Kaz maybe ??) and then he's playing bass with Jussi (wish I could be there for that). Then I believe for the rest of John's tour, it'll be someone else. I'm not positive of that, but think it's right. If someone else has better info, please correct me on this.

[Thinsocks]

Matt Stubbs is doing all the dates in June with John.

[mikelaw]

nemeth can really sing!

[Thinsocks]

Tom Waits on Conan the other night with Larry Taylor on guitar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3RlTBGK24

[nc slim]

Watson is w Nemeth on fri in NC I got it from the Horses Mouth

Anson will be at HOB Dallas as house band for a few weeks this summer startin this week (w Bill Cambell, piano, B3 and even accordian) sounds like a good band

[jimfog]

Hey kids,

Been checking out Kid Andersen on YouTube.......great player, awesome tone.....

Any idea what he plays through, usually?

Here's a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkMTg-1vtw

- J

[valcotone]

Hey kids,

Been checking out Kid Andersen on YouTube.......great player, awesome tone.....

Any idea what he plays through, usually?

Here's a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkMTg-1vtw

- J


Nice. His Peter Green influence is shining through for sure. Sounds like a blackface Fender to me and out-of-phase pickups in the LP, but I don't know for sure.

[Thinsocks]

Chris can really play anything. Super nice guy too.


Anyone ever seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPGqWt3L7A

[Strat-O]

He's been playing a red knob Twin on tour with Musselwhite. He said Charlie was playing them and he gave one a shot and liked it. When they came through here he was on fire. He represents what BLUES/ROCK guitar should be.

[dukeh62]

Chris can really play anything. Super nice guy too.


Anyone ever seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPGqWt3L7A

God I love that clip. When I found that last year, I think I played it over and over like 1,000 times.

And I'll admit it, I worked out the melody....NOT with a spoon though!

[Scott Miller]

Chris's #1 seems to be his red 345/355 or whatever it is. He also has a Strat of some sort, and a 175 with Duncan Antiquities, a '68 SG, and was last seen with a late-model Jag... or maybe a Jazzmaster... I can never remember... that he got from Bob Welsh. Never seen him with a Les Paul, unless it was borrowed. I've never paid much attention to whatever amp he has, because I'm too busy tripping out on his playing.

But he sounds great through anything. And he's a really nice guy. And his wife is gorgeous. It's unfair, I tell you.

[Scott Miller]

Yeah, the spoon guy! It reminds me of a tape I got off the radio of people hand-canceling stamps in Africa, and making incredible music by doing so.

[KBR]

Used to have a Gold Top 54 RTI, Johhny Cat got from him. Uses this bigsby LP and a Red Bigsby 345, One of the best Players out there, imo.

[DonM]

[quote=nc slim;2463088]Watson is w Nemeth on fri in NC I got it from the Horses Mouth/quote]

I wished I was on the other coast, I want to hear that White Strat Of Jr's live.. I've been getting seriously teased with reports back here about the pups I made him.. hes been gone about a month, he left about a day after I stuck those in that White Strat.

:RoCkIn
DM

[Strat-O]

Don, I'll let you know if they sound anything like mine :dude , I'm heading up there with NC Slim on Friday.

[nmontz]

Don....don't worry about the pups. They sound great. Jr. was on the strat allmost all night when he came through here. He only used the stratotone for one song, "Romance Without Finance." Jr. sold me on your pups....the bridge pup was amazing. If I ever get around to getting a regular tele I'm callin' you for the replacement pups. If I remember, I'll add a pic to this post tonight.

[jetlag]

Don, they sounded great. Junior played that guitar for the first set and about 1/3rd of the second set at the KC gig. Before going onstage, he pretty much raved about them to me and seemed very happy with them. From what I gathered, these pickups are those new 7K-ish winds you are doing. Did you replace his volume pot with the RS 285K pot I gave him? Anyway, his strat has always sounded great on the back pickup and that night was no different, better really. Where I think you really helped him was on the front pickup. It sounded much more rounded out and full than in the past. Congrads on the new wind! Check your email.

[TwoFeets]

Singing barista!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jYK6sAMpQ

[RickyKing]

That is a fairly common practice in my rig,find an amp repair person who can make a line out on the small amp and run from the line out to the input of the bigger amp and there you go,the worlds largest tube pre-amp. Small amps like Silvertone,Valco,(I use a Fender Pro Junior or 1472 Silvertone) work great.

[aja]

OMG is that Racky vid for real or is that like a Spinal Tap for blues ? lol
I saw Kid ramos again this time at Cafe Boogaloo he just killed I want that
tone bad.Their is a great vid of him on youtube with Kim wilson if you haven't seen it. Also check out the peace of mind era Ronnie Earl stuff too on youtube. Kid was playing with the los fabulocos heres their myspace
www.myspace.com/losfabulocos (http://www.myspace.com/losfabulocos)
www.myspace.com/alecjamesguitarist (http://www.myspace.com/alecjamesguitarist)

[TwoFeets]

OMG is that Racky vid for real or is that like a Spinal Tap for blues ? lol
I saw Kid ramos again this time at Cafe Boogaloo he just killed I want that
tone bad.Their is a great vid of him on youtube with Kim wilson if you haven't seen it. Also check out the peace of mind era Ronnie Earl stuff too on youtube. Kid was playing with the los fabulocos heres their myspace
www.myspace.com/losfabulocos (http://www.myspace.com/losfabulocos)
www.myspace.com/alecjamesguitarist (http://www.myspace.com/alecjamesguitarist)

Very jealous that you're getting out to all these shows, man!

Rack could have it worse - he could be working for a company that builds sewer inspection equipment... like me. :D

Also saw that you picked up a Squier '51 - you'll dig that one! I dug mine. I might yet end up with another.

[aja]

Yea I love the '51 its got some good blues tones. Racky struck me as a guy who has a suit and tie job in a big insurance company or something is all. I thought it was a spoof. Thats cool. Rob don't be jealous man. Thier isn't that much giong on out here right now.

[mikelaw]

hey alec! miss ya.

everyone here has to get rick holmstrom's new release. late in the night. it is crazy good. awesome tones and tunes too! plugplug.

im lovin it!

[Thinsocks]

im lovin it!

Are you pluging McDonalds too?

[valcotone]

Are you pluging McDonalds too?


Haaaaaahahaha.... :-)

[GOLDENSTRAT]

This is kinda unrelated but pretty cool, I saw it in the 80's but it made quite an impression so dig this Tom Waits clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0E7x3Nqys , i hope it works, fred

[aja]

ha ha mcdonalds plug !! I'm gonna try to go to see holmstrom this weekend I missed him last time. Maybe get his new disc and a big mac too. :)

[Thinsocks]

ha ha mcdonalds plug !! I'm gonna try to go to see holmstrom this weekend I missed him last time. Maybe get his new disc and a big mac too. :)

He's playing with the Fats band on Sunday in Laguna Beach. I'll probably go.

[DonM]

I saw Kid ramos again this time at Cafe Boogaloo he just killed I want that


I was at the Blue Cafe In LBZ and Ramos had two reverb tanks going thru an AC 30.. I also wondered if those two tanks were on, when I asked him, I was an idiot: I only said "is there two incase one breaks?" Kids reply was vaque.. I was still scratching my head, but there were both on and plugged in..

That alone may be a HUGE part of that Kid Tone.. 2- Tanks and an AC 30

I always wanted to try two tanks, but so far never have had that chance.

[afenderman67]

great tread!

i've been trying to figure out this turn around lick hollywood fats plays on caldonia on the cd rock this house, its right before the vocals come in, and at the end of the song as well, can you guy's tab this out for me? it might be simple, but i just cant seem to get it right?

i've got most of the rest of the down, great player with great tone!!

gotta love the swingin blues!!!


chris bolen

[TwoFeets]

great tread!

i've been trying to figure out this turn around lick hollywood fats plays on caldonia on the cd rock this house, its right before the vocals come in, and at the end of the song as well, can you guy's tab this out for me? it might be simple, but i just cant seem to get it right?

i've got most of the rest of the down, great player with great tone!!

gotta love the swingin blues!!!


chris bolen

Do you mean the last bit of the part where he's playing the horn figures on guitar?

[mikelaw]

get it alec, you wont be disappointed!

[dukeh62]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you with this every year, but we're trying to get nominated for best blues band in our state's big arts newspaper. Getting nominated is the first step, then the actual voting takes place in a few weeks.

Nominations end tomorrow, so if you wouldn't mind clicking the following link and filling in "Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts" for "blues" band, we'd greatly appreciate it.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/nomi/index.cfm?pid=26

[zappafrank]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you with this every year, but we're trying to get nominated for best blues band in our state's big arts newspaper. Getting nominated is the first step, then the actual voting takes place in a few weeks.

Nominations end tomorrow, so if you wouldn't mind clicking the following link and filling in "Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts" for "blues" band, we'd greatly appreciate it.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/nomi/index.cfm?pid=26


Done----

ac

[afenderman67]

Do you mean the last bit of the part where he's playing the horn figures on guitar?

yes i believe thats it?

[TwoFeets]

yes i believe thats it?

I don't remember if I learned off that record in particular or if I play some perversion of it I learned along the way from someone so take this with a grain of salt... but I always just play this figure:

3-5-6-6-5-3

first on the high E and then on the B string.

That's assuming you're in the key of G which, if I recall correctly, I believe the Fats version is.

[aja]

Cool stringmaster try to find me or something man. I'm still not 100% sure I'm going but it looks like I am. His songs on myspace sound cool those must be his new ones.

[Schwalbe]

Some Yoot Oobs from the great frozen waste land.

How Long by Cool Disposition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCXhopi_WU

Good Time Girl by Joe T. Cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5LJH8hS_N8

Chill Down Easy by Joe T. Cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vrP0bVj_UE

Straight Shooter by The Rough Cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGpvO3zR3oc

[groove_king]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you with this every year, but we're trying to get nominated for best blues band in our state's big arts newspaper. Getting nominated is the first step, then the actual voting takes place in a few weeks.

Nominations end tomorrow, so if you wouldn't mind clicking the following link and filling in "Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts" for "blues" band, we'd greatly appreciate it.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/nomi/index.cfm?pid=26

Done! Good luck dudes! :D

[Dave Orban]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you with this every year, but we're trying to get nominated for best blues band in our state's big arts newspaper. Getting nominated is the first step, then the actual voting takes place in a few weeks.

Nominations end tomorrow, so if you wouldn't mind clicking the following link and filling in "Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts" for "blues" band, we'd greatly appreciate it.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/nomi/index.cfm?pid=26Done! Good luck, bro...! :dude

[Schwalbe]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you with this every year, but we're trying to get nominated for best blues band in our state's big arts newspaper. Getting nominated is the first step, then the actual voting takes place in a few weeks.

Nominations end tomorrow, so if you wouldn't mind clicking the following link and filling in "Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts" for "blues" band, we'd greatly appreciate it.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/nomi/index.cfm?pid=26

OK but next year when the City Pages poll comes 'round I'll be postin' for votes on that one.:BEER

[Stringmaster]

"Cool stringmaster try to find me or something man. I'm still not 100% sure I'm going but it looks like I am. His songs on myspace sound cool those must be his new ones."

Say what Alec?--not sure what the message is referring to.
DD

[Strat-O]

You have my vote..

[aja]

Wow sorry I meant thinsocks.

[Stringmaster]

No need to appologize Alec--just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something--that seems to happen more as I get older!
DD

[valcotone]

Some Yoot Oobs from the great frozen waste land.


GREAT STUFF Dan!! I enjoyed your playing on those 2.

Thanks for sharing.
:BEER

[Poppa Stoppa]

Yeah nice playing Mr Schwalbe!

[TwoFeets]

Dang, I wish I could Utoob here at work.

[Stringmaster]

What are the details of the Holmstrom gig this weekend? When, where, etc? Is there a website for the club? I may head up.
DD

[Thinsocks]

What are the details of the Holmstrom gig this weekend? When, where, etc? Is there a website for the club? I may head up.
DD

http://www.mozambiqueoc.com/

The owner is one of the people who started Ebay. It's pretty swank. Baby Grand and B-3 on stage and great food too.

Rick's also playing at the Ritz Carlton Saturday night, but that's in Pasadena. It's a very posh place too and easily my favorite palce to see music now.

[TwoFeets]

That's some nice playin' Mr. Schwalbe! Went home at lunchtime and had to check it out.

[Dave Orban]

Some Yoot Oobs from the great frozen waste land.

How Long by Cool Disposition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCXhopi_WU

Good Time Girl by Joe T. Cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5LJH8hS_N8

Chill Down Easy by Joe T. Cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vrP0bVj_UE

Straight Shooter by The Rough Cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGpvO3zR3ocCool stuff...! :dude :dude :dude

[Strat-O]

Wow, the Ritz Carlton booking interesting music? Whats up with that? Would be nice if that caught on nationally...


Nice playin Schwalbe man!

[dukeh62]

Wow, the Ritz Carlton booking interesting music? Whats up with that? Would be nice if that caught on nationally...


Nice playin Schwalbe man!

Recently heard that the Ritz Carlton in Boston only pays something like $100 for the entire band.:nono

[Thinsocks]

Wow, the Ritz Carlton booking interesting music? Whats up with that? Would be nice if that caught on nationally...

I don't think that is going to happen. I guess the head chef (Chef Denny) at the Ritz in pasadena is a harmonica player, so he talked the Ritz into booking bands that he likes on Saturday nights. In the last year they have had Kim Wilson, James Harman, RJ, Holmstrom, Hummel, Gary Primach, Jeff Turmes, Lynwood Slim, Johnny Dyer, The Fats Band and bunch of others. It looks like the weekly blues they have on Saturday nights is the only music they have there. The bands usually also get free rooms and it's free to get in. It's hard to beat.

[Scott Miller]

Want to work on your upper-string chord voicings? Get a ukulele. I thought I knew what was going on with those "little" chords, but when that's all you've got, it's a different story.

I got an electric/acoustic uke that looks exactly like a miniature all-black non-cutaway archtop, with f-holes. It's adorable.

[Bloozman]

Here is a tip for all you West Coast Bluesmen. I recently purchased a 335 with P-90s on it, and was having trouble getting that old school sound thru my Super-Sonic. I purchased a Gibson GA20-RVT amp...It rivals the old amps that all you West Coaster style players lust after...I use the Gibson amp exclusively for the P-90 guitar and I use an A-B switch between iot and my S/S....Works GREAT!!!

[Thinsocks]

I purchased a Gibson GA20-RVT amp...It rivals the old amps that all you West Coaster style players lust after

You may have to add 'IMHO" after that. "Rivals" is a strong word. Just out of full disclosure, have you owned a 50's Tweed amp? ;)

[mikelaw]

silvertone amps are the kings IMO.

[Strat-O]

Magnatone's RULE!

[Frethog]

Scott Henderson - "Dolomite"

[Thinsocks]

Not sure if this was posted already, but it's worth going up twice. Freddie King - The Beat Show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgZ-dpSMPn0

[TwoFeets]

Here is a tip for all you West Coast Bluesmen. I recently purchased a 335 with P-90s on it, and was having trouble getting that old school sound thru my Super-Sonic. I purchased a Gibson GA20-RVT amp...It rivals the old amps that all you West Coaster style players lust after...I use the Gibson amp exclusively for the P-90 guitar and I use an A-B switch between iot and my S/S....Works GREAT!!!

Newer one or older one?

Our own Groove King got some really good tone out of what, if I recall correctly, was a low-wattage 60's Gibson like a Skylark or something, on their record. A real Holmstrom kind of vibe at times.

[nmontz]

"Dolomite...it's real bad out there"....

I listened to Scott Henderson's "Dog Party" circa 1995 or whatever...."Tore Down House" was right after that I think. Thelma Houston sang on it and "Dolomite" was the first track. The man has some killer chops...although his fusion playing is a little out there for me....especially the tribal tech stuff. But what in the Sam hell blazes does that have to do with west coast blues anything??

I had a 66' ga-20rvt...that I gave some guy $20 for. I never thought I'd get rid of it and in fact even lost money on it. The trem never worked right, the reverb was funky and it was hard squeezing anything other than weak hi-fi sounding stuff out of the el-84's and the wierd pre-amp tubes it used. The 60 cycle hum sounded better than what came out of the amp. The tech I had trying to sort it out was at a loss. I cut him off before my bench charge was too crazy. The worst thing was it had two .022 bumblebee's in it, and when I took pics 6 months later to sell it...I saw that the tech took them. I so had them in mind for my r6. The guy after me said the ot had problems so maybe it was just that amp. If you have a new ga-20rvt...those are a trace elliot amp in gibson clothing right? I bet the ptp ri ga-5 skylarks sound good though.

Hopefully we are back to our regularly scheduled thread now.....

[afenderman67]

[quote=TwoFeets;2470292]I don't remember if I learned off that record in particular or if I play some perversion of it I learned along the way from someone so take this with a grain of salt... but I always just play this figure:

3-5-6-6-5-3

first on the high E and then on the B string.

That's assuming you're in the key of G which, if I recall correctly, I believe the Fats version is.[/quote

that lick sounds good to me! thank you!!!

[DonM]

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It doesn't get sweeter than this. Order the Gibson GA20RVT today
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$999.00

maybe add a Vintage speaker and tubes and woola????


still 1k for 15 watts???
actually when i first located this photo I got excided, thinking it was cheap -- man ily because of the face plate - being it is alot like the $99.00 Valve Jr's....

and when I saw the $999.00 price ~~~~I was put off..

My Blues Jr kills with NOS old tubes and an old 60's 12" Utah Speaker.. and I'm well below $300 total invested.

Still I'd take a Bronson like Rick Holmstroms for $600.00 over anything at this point in time

[groove_king]

Newer one or older one?

Our own Groove King got some really good tone out of what, if I recall correctly, was a low-wattage 60's Gibson like a Skylark or something, on their record. A real Holmstrom kind of vibe at times.

Why, thank you Mr Feets. A Holmstrom vibe!! I'm not worthy!! But yes, it was indeed a 60s Gibson Skylark that belonged to the studio. I haven't checked out the new one, but like Thinsocks said - a big call to say any new amp rivals vintage tweed.

[RickyKing]

On the new stuff line,I just took delivery of a Allen Hot Fudge with nuts.
Nuts indeed,a great tone and trem to die for! Built like a tank and sounds huge on 2 !

[KBR]

I have been using Allen Amps for about 10 Years, they are awesome, imo.
Been through 11 of them and like the 30 Watt Brown Sugar Head w either a Weber C15N (15F150) or even better 2 P12N Webers.
Good verb, raw control dials in Tweed Tones, clean is good, too.

[stevieboy]

My Allen Accomplice with a 15 is a blues monster. Blackface type, but the RAW control, which dials out the tone stack, pushes it into tweedish territory. My frequent jam host John Marx thinks very highly of mine.

[jumpnblues]

I'm with you Kenny, David Allen does make killer amps. Mine is a 40 watt Encore head with an Allen open back 4x10" cab (two Weber high power 10A125's/P-10Q's and two Weber 10A150's/C10N's). Tone, tone, tone!! :RoCkIn

Tom

[jumpnblues]

Please pardon me for diverting the current discussion a little but has anyone here had a chance to compare any Don Mare Tele pu's with Stuarts or Lollar "52" AlNiCo 2's? Wha'da'ya' think? :confused::confused:

Tom

[KBR]

I have not used or tried Lollar's Tele pups, but his Imperial HBers and P90's are excellent and I use both.

He is a heck of a pup Man.
I use a van zandt flat pole Tele bridge pup in my Tele and like em.

[Thinsocks]

Please pardon me for diverting the current discussion a little but has anyone here had a chance to compare any Don Mare Tele pu's with Stuarts or Lollar "52" AlNiCo 2's? Wha'da'ya' think? :confused::confused:

Tom

I can't comment on the Stuarts, but I did borrow (for a little over a week) a friends Telecaster that had Don Mare's pickups in it. It was hands down better then the Lollar pickups in another friends telecasters I had tried on a few occasions. Honestly, It was not even close. Don's pickup are far more lively, sonically interesting and just plain scary how they sound like the real thing. In fact, I'm going over this weekend to have Don wind and put a neck pickup in my old Esquire. He really knows his stuff. I mean, look how many different Telecaster pick sets he offers.

[Dave Orban]

I can't comment on the Stuarts, but I did borrow (for a little over a week) a friends Telecaster that had Don Mare's pickups in it. It was hands down better then the Lollar pickups in another friends telecasters I had tried on a few occasions. Honestly, It was not even close. Don's pickup are far more lively, sonically interesting and just plain scary how they sound like the real thing. In fact, I'm going over this weekend to have Don wind and put a neck pickup in my old Esquire. He really knows his stuff. I mean, look how many different Telecaster pick sets he offers. Ditto. I've got a set of Don's pickups in my new go-to parts Tele, and they are fabulous.

All of the Lollars I've played so far (only P90s and Tele pickups) have sounded good, but were somewhat underwhelming, given all the accolades that are floating around about them...

I did not have that problem with Don's Tele pickups... ;)

[karmadave]

I've had really good luck with the Lollar pickups that came on my K-Line T-style guitar. The bridge is cuts through well and the neck is surprisingly sweet and articulate. Great pickups!

-KD

[cigpow]

Junior Watson killin' it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL00F8eH2xQ

[MVrider]

Product Information


Gibson GA20RVT 15W Class A Guitar Amp Features:

* 15W Class A
* 2 - 6V6 power tubes


Wow. 15 watts from two 6V6's. That's - uh - *impressive*.

[Strat-O]

What's so strange or unusual about that?

[dddelta]

Ease up guys and take your mind off things with this -

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28803

[S.W.Erdnase]

If more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes on the drums and had double basses.... it'd be a good thing, IMO.

[Dave Orban]

If more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes on the drums and had double basses.... it'd be a good thing, IMO.Amen to that! :dude

[MVrider]

If more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes on the drums and had double basses.... it'd be a good thing, IMO.

Brushes? They don't work in all situations and they can't make up for shortcomings in technique, like the inability to play various rhythms and different tempos over a range of volumes. Not all drummers realize they're playing a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. Time-keeping and rhythm are only basic steps. Not too many drummers ever get past that.

[Schwalbe]

If more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes on the drums and had double basses.... it'd be a good thing, IMO.
:BEER
THAT would be a dream come true. I have tried showing up w/ my '65 Champ and asking everybody to turn the f**k down, I just get buried.
Tonight, however, I get to play like that, a Champ and the Tore Vibe. No upright though, ain't many of those guys 'round here. I expect the drummer will just bring kick, snare and hat, that's what he usually does.
The gig's at a little Irish pub.
They fire bands that play too loud.
http://www.keeganspub.com/calendar.html

Thanks everybody for the kind words about the Utube stuff.
:cool:

[S.W.Erdnase]

MVRider: The guys I play with have been playing jazz and swing styles for 30 or 40 years apiece. They know how to make brushes work. You can also get these weird-ass plastic drum sticks that equal less noise. But they also know how to use traditional drum sticks without pushing the rest of the band to play louder and louder and listen less and less to one another.

I stand by what I said, if more of these assho... I mean if more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes, etc, etc...

[Dave Orban]

MVRider: The guys I play with have been playing jazz and swing styles for 30 or 40 years apiece. They know how to make brushes work. You can also get these weird-ass plastic drum sticks that equal less noise. But they also know how to use traditional drum sticks without pushing the rest of the band to play louder and louder and listen less and less to one another.

I stand by what I said, if more of these assho... I mean if more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes, etc, etc...
Took me a LONG time to find drummers like that...! But I'm REALLY glad I did...! :dude

[S.W.Erdnase]

On a tangent: dude can sing, dude can play. Wow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mMYqr__K0&mode=related&search=).

Also talented in the "f*** face" department. LOL.

2nd tangent: my CS '51 Nocaster arrived yesterday. Ahm in luuuurve....

[valcotone]

On a tangent: dude can sing, dude can play. Wow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mMYqr__K0&mode=related&search=).


Sean Costello.... very nice. That's some sweet reissue Gibson he's playin' too! Very convincing relic job on that one... :crazyguy

[MVrider]

MVRider: The guys I play with have been playing jazz and swing styles for 30 or 40 years apiece. They know how to make brushes work. You can also get these weird-ass plastic drum sticks that equal less noise. But they also know how to use traditional drum sticks without pushing the rest of the band to play louder and louder and listen less and less to one another.

I stand by what I said, if more of these assho... I mean if more bands played low wattage amps, used brushes, etc, etc...

I agree... most guys would do better with brushes because they lack skill. But a skilled and disciplined drummer can do it with sticks. And brushes won't get the job done on the ride cymbal, IMO, although they made reduce the volume to an acceptable level.

Many guitarists need a smaller amp too but I heard Jimmy Rogers play through a Twin Reverb at a volume level comparable to what most guys would get out of a Princeton. Absolutely nothing wrong with his sound.

[MVrider]

Took me a LONG time to find drummers like that...! But I'm REALLY glad I did...! :dude


My rule has always been... the band can't play blues if the drummer is playing rock and roll. YMMV

[jumpnblues]

Yeah, Sean really gives me hope for the younger blues players. He's a bona fide monster player for a "whippersnapper". Also that YouTube vid of Junior was breathtaking. Not only great playing but his tone was dripping with fat. What all was he using to get that thick, fat, harmonically rich tone? Obviously there is a '54/'56 Les Paul style guitar (Dillion?) with somebody's P-90's, but what amp and other stuff? :drool:drool:cool:

Tom

[S.W.Erdnase]

I agree... most guys would do better with brushes because they lack skill. But a skilled and disciplined drummer can do it with sticks. And brushes won't get the job done on the ride cymbal, IMO, although they made reduce the volume to an acceptable level.

We're on the same page. I'm talking about all those other drummers who play loud rock and roll and couldn't play a backbeat shuffle with a gun pointed at their noggin'.

Many guitarists need a smaller amp too but I heard Jimmy Rogers play through a Twin Reverb at a volume level comparable to what most guys would get out of a Princeton. Absolutely nothing wrong with his sound.One of the many exceptions that prove the rule. How many times have you seen some dufus dime his Bassman reissue with the SS rectifier and stink up the joint? I've seen lots of guys do that, and it's really ugly.

Jimmy Rogers, on the other hand, was a legend.

[musicofanatic5]

Brushes? They don't work in all situations and they can't make up for shortcomings in technique, like the inability to play various rhythms and different tempos over a range of volumes. Not all drummers realize they're playing a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. Time-keeping and rhythm are only basic steps. Not too many drummers ever get past that.
I like brushes okay (I drum), and use 'em plenty, but they are not the end all/be all for volume control in a blues band. One can play quietly with sticks (really, it's true!). Quiet, but with drive, emphasis, and a wide dynamic range to fulfill the role of a drummer in a blues band. I also employ those "bundle of dowels", wok-stirrer things (I think they're called Cool Rods?), but nothing achieves the precision of actual drum sticks (press roll with brushes? Ain't gonna happen). I play (using 5A sticks) with plenty of gtrists who are using 15 watt amps without drowning anybody out. It's pretty simple: if the band is playing and I can't hear them, I'm too loud. It's a sure sign of a rotten drummer when a fella can't control his dynamics properly, and, as a player who also works as a gtrist and bassist, I cannot for the life of me figure out how so many of these no-playin' m.f.'s can get gigs!?!?! Drums as a musical inst? Usually not. "Time keeping and rhythm are only the basic steps"? Then at least half the drum owners I hear/play with have not reached basic step #1. Luckily, tonight and tomorrow night I get to play with two of the best drummers in blues music: Per Hansen and Steve Ramsey. Woohoo!! The following night, however, will be quite a different story!

[Thinsocks]

I like brushes okay (I drum), and use 'em plenty, but they are not the end all/be all for volume control in a blues band. One can play quietly with sticks (really, it's true!). Quiet, but with drive, emphasis, and a wide dynamic range to fulfill the role of a drummer in a blues band. I also employ those "bundle of dowels", wok-stirrer things (I think they're called Cool Rods?), but nothing achieves the precision of actual drum sticks (press roll with brushes? Ain't gonna happen). I play (using 5A sticks) with plenty of gtrists who are using 15 watt amps without drowning anybody out. It's pretty simple: if the band is playing and I can't hear them, I'm too loud. It's a sure sign of a rotten drummer when a fella can't control his dynamics properly, and, as a player who also works as a gtrist and bassist, I cannot for the life of me figure out how so many of these no-playin' m.f.'s can get gigs!?!?! Drums as a musical inst? Usually not. "Time keeping and rhythm are only the basic steps"? Then at least half the drum owners I hear/play with have not reached basic step #1. Luckily, tonight and tomorrow night I get to play with two of the best drummers in blues music: Per Hansen and Steve Ramsey. Woohoo!! The following night, however, will be quite a different story!

I'm with Jon on this. Brushes only equal lower volume to drummers without any control or musical sensibility. Think of all those Little Walter records with those great Fred Below double shuffles. A song like "Oh, Baby" would not work with brushes. Also, IMHO musically saying that there is only one way of doing something is kind of stagnant. I mean, I hope this lower volume, brushes, upright talk is only in regard to this style of blues and not just music in general?

[nmontz]

Sean Costello.... very nice. That's some sweet reissue Gibson he's playin' too! Very convincing relic job on that one... :crazyguy

should be convincing....cause that's his 53'

I think he has a r6 as a backup...though a bf vibrolux reverb last time I saw him.

[TwoFeets]

should be convincing....cause that's his 53'

I think he has a r6 as a backup...though a bf vibrolux reverb last time I saw him.

When he was here in town last time, he had only the R6 and he told me he had retired the '53 at least temporarily because it had developed a hairline headstock crack and he didn't want it to get worse. It's also worth a LOT more now than it was when he got it.

His R6 has a very convincing relic job done the old-fashioned way. It's REALLY light. He's also one of those guys with that really caustic white-film sweat that I think probably accelerated the aging process on it.

[mikelaw]

rough mix, you gotta crank it because its not mastered and levels arent done yet...etc...BUT it's my recording and guitar debut. Ive only been playing guitar a few years so thats my excuse for sucking out and flubbing a bit.

let me know what yas think, hu?! :)

ps- check myspace page for the track. 'Blooper' by Johnny Otis.

[Schwalbe]

Nice an' raunchy!! Don't worry about flubs, make music out of 'em.

[S.W.Erdnase]

Verra nice.

[Poppa Stoppa]

I got to play a Strat through a brown tolex Concert recently (early 60's). I was knocked out by the sweet twang of that thing, cleaner but with a sweeter soft top end, like you'd hear from Ronnie Earl and completely different from usual tweed tones.

The amp was biased for harp but still sounded amazing. Also the Strat was by Callaham, so it may be a little twangier than the norm.

Any of you guys like to comment on this? On the evidence of that one experience I'm seriously tempted to go out and find an early 60's Concert for that tone.

[mikelaw]

i play a brown concert poppa on big shows/rooms. 1st channel setup with ay7 so i can pin the volume with a harp mic, 2nd channel with ax7's that i plug my guitar into. i usually have to get the volume up to 3/4 on that with guitar to make it really sing.

also a huge mistake is to dial it in like a super...down the bass, turn treble up. the concert circuit is such you have to get both tone knobs working together. i did it many times and wondered what the problem was with the stale tone. then i turned the bass up. WOW> people say cranked, it give a vox'y type drive. i just think it sounds good.

i brought mine to a few tech's way back and they all commented on how huge the bass response was. one tech wanted to buy it because he never heard an amp with that type of bass to it. its not tweedy bass, more rounded and cosmic like the vibrato in it. and dont get me started on the that! heavenly!

[Birdseye]

Poppa,

You might know that I'm a big fan of those brown amps. I've owned a couple of the Concerts and they are very nice. Good little description of the tone you wrote there. And when they do begin to break up, they hold together quite well, although it's going to be loud with the Concert. But you get a nice warm overdrive, without getting real hairy, at reasonable volumes. It's a different kind of tone, for sure, than the usual Fender we all know. Once you get used to it, it's very nice, and does have some of the nice woody tweed thing mixed with clarity of the clean blackface, all to make it's own unique voice. And yes, these brown amps do have a ton of bass. I dig 'em!

My fave amp is the 3x10 Bandmaster for the gigs I do. I also have the low-power brown Twin that has the nicest tone, but a bit loud for small clubs. The Concerts can still be found at bargain prices if you look around a bit. Great deal on a 4x10. Better amp than a BFSR...IMHO. I like the early 1960 center-volume circuits the best. Dig the brown amps...go for it...I'd love to see you get one and hear what you think of it after some solid playing time.

[mikelaw]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1620/superconcertkg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
this is my concert and jeff(esquire) super- wall of sound. ha

i think generally i keep my tone knobs close to noon, maybe more on treble just for twang and to match the bass response. where are your tone knobs for the concert usually?

[musicofanatic5]

I've had brown panel Tremo- and Vibro-luxes, and my favorite thing about them is the tone controls. The smallest incremental adjustment has a discernable effect. I notice a similar situation with my Carr Rambler. I do miss the Vibrolux.

[Scott Miller]

We got Sid Morris as a sub for keys tonight. You've heard him on various CDs: RJ, Chris Andersen, Gary Smith. What an awesome player.

[Strat-O]

The coolest thing, to me, about those Allen Amps is the tone control on the reverb. Man would it be nice to have that to brighten up typical on-board Fender style reverb.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Thanks for the advice on brown Fender Concerts - all sounds very positive. I will keep my eyes open. They do come up here but generally in the £1000-1500 range. They are the harp players favourite, I know three excellent players that use them. Before I played through one myself I heard harp-master Lee Sankey playing guitar thru his - he had an unreal sound and did a great Albert Collins thing.

Mike Law that is a good-looking amp, very clean. Also your recording is very good, when the sax kicks in it sounds rockin'.

Birseye - I remember a discussion about the centre-detent thing, was that you? Thanks for the feedback.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Saw this drinks mat in Ireland last weekend:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g283/ted149/IMG_1402.jpg

[jumpnblues]

I had a '61 brown Concert with two Weber 30 watt 10A125's (P10Q's) and two Weber 25 watt 10F150's (C10N's) and it was loud, clean, and had tone for miles. I too like the soft attack of the brown amps. Really works well with archtops. They are clean almost to a fault though. You really had to crank the Concert to get it to give it up. Sounded great when it did though...not harsh at all. I had to sell it to raise some cash. Wish I had it back. :(:(

Tom

[mikelaw]

thanks poppa! yea like i mentioned, concerts need to be up to about 3/4 volume to really crunch nicely. defineately a fault! thats why i use my silvertone 1484 in smaller rooms, that 30-35 watts sags like crazy and breaks QUICK! just not present enough for big rooms so i crank the concert then. whatever, different amps for different rooms. not a bad trade off for getting the tone you like.

speakers in the concert--4x10--by mistake 2-cheap alnico eminences on top and 2-60 watt ceramic celestion vintage 30s on the bottom. ill never change that now. any 4-10 down the road ill do that now because of the tone...fat bottom and crazy raspy highs. i love it and its the only time a mistake lead to the RIGHT thing.

[S.W.Erdnase]

I had a 63 Concert that was minty. I sold it because I was afear'd of it getting nicked or damaged. We were gigging quite a bit back then... Also it was a sumbitch to hump to gigs in my tiny hatchback.

Anyway, it was a fat sounding amp for harp. I regret selling it. But even if I hadn't, I'd still be gigging with my Clark Pro, so it'd be furniture, right? Right? Anybody?

[rhartt1234]

...and its the only time a mistake lead to the RIGHT thing.

Oh yeah? Ever hear of Silly Putty? I rest my case.

[Stringmaster]

The wife and I are heading up to the Hollywood Blue Flames/Holmstrom gig this evening in Laguna Beach--looking forward to a great evening!

[jumpnblues]

Mike,

I know what you're talking about regarding mistakes that turn into something cool. I had 2 Weber C10V's that I had in a Dr.Z I previously owned. Slipped them into a Victoria Bassman along with a couple of Weber low watt P10Q's. It was a match made in heaven. :cool:

Tom

[Birdseye]

Poppa,

Yes, it was very likely me that discussed the center-volume thing a while back on this thread, when I bought the Bandmaster.

Oh, yeah, guys, the Concerts do get pretty loud if you want to get some hair on the notes. That's why I dig the brown Bandmaster; 3x10s, and the smaller OT, gets the breakup at a much more useful volume. But they are never going to get all torn up like the tweed amps. It's a different kind of OD, more subtle and solid. Really a great tone if you learn how to play it, and quite responsive to the player. Just need to take it for what it is.

To my ear, the brown amps are just the essence of vintage tone from the 60s. There's nothing typical about them, and since they have not been reissued, it's a tone that remains pretty rare and unique. To me, a compelling sound that you just don't hear much...a bit more of a challenging, atypical approach to tone, but damn fine at that.

ML

[mikelaw]

Oh yeah? Ever hear of Silly Putty? I rest my case.

the only time a mistake I made that is.

thanks tom! amen to your mess up too! i love the combination too! more bassman players should try it. its killah

[mikelaw]

or even 3-10 amp guys. 2 ceramic high wattage and i low wattage alnico. it should be stock it sounds so good. you have 3-4 speakers, you should take advantage of having more then 1 speaker option!

about playing big stages....
i told my buddy at work if i was a millionaire and played huge shows like say jack white or someone huge like that, i would buy 10-12 old silvertones and kays, supro amps valco...and just make a wall of them all plugged in. 10" 12" 15". it would look like a cluster F. ha

[safecracker]

i told my buddy at work if i was a millionaire and played huge shows like say jack white or someone huge like that, i would buy 10-12 old silvertones and kays, supro amps valco...and just make a wall of them all plugged in. 10" 12" 15". it would look like a cluster F. ha[/quote]
Mike, that's my favorite thing to do(at home). Loop all the 50's and 60's amps together for s.... and giggles. Get all volume knobs adjusted where you hear each amp about equal and shut your eyes and play.Good way to entertain one's self.Shawn

[mikelaw]

thats what i did in the studio a few weeks back! kalamazoo model 1 and silvertone 1432 hooked together. started with volumes mid way, ended up both tones and volumes pinned. they both sounded better that way.

[valcotone]

The new toy arrived on Friday... I know there has been some interest about this one, so I took a few minutes yesterday to record a little demo (straight into the TV Pro...)

Eastwood Guitars -- Airline Tuxedo MP3 (http://www.kilback.net/tux/tuxedo_demo_tvpro-edit.mp3)

http://www.kilback.net/tux/tux_front.jpg http://www.kilback.net/tux/tux_full.jpg

[Dave Orban]

http://www.kilback.net/tux/tux_front.jpg VERY cool...! :dude

Reminds me a bit of my Silvertone Jupiter...

Except this one has the 25-1/2" scale, which I wish the Silvertone had...!

[TwoFeets]

The inevitable questions - how heavy is it, how does it play, etc.?

[Thinsocks]

I went over to Don Mare's place on Saturday to have him wind me a neck pickup for my '56 Esquire. I don't think I can say enough good things about his Telecaster pickups. Mine is now the forth guitar I have played with his Telecaster pickups and he has yet to disappoint. He simply hands down make the best sounding reproduction Telecaster pickup out there. It's not even a close race. They sound just like the real thing. Hell of a nice guy too and with a unbelievable knowledgeable about what makes those old pickup sound the way they do.

[valcotone]

RI single pickup H44 on ebay... $350 BIN:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stratotone-H44-by-Airline_W0QQitemZ270120284111

[valcotone]

The inevitable questions - how heavy is it, how does it play, etc.?


Weighs about 6.5 lbs on my postage scale and is just slightly neck-heavy.

Plays pretty well, but the tailpiece gets in the way of your palm.

25.5" scale, 1-11/16" nut, 19 medium frets, and a 14th-fret neck joint like an archtop. Neck profile is a medium c-shape, not a slim shape as I heard before.

Has a nice hollow tone about it... I like it so far.

[Strat-O]

Alright dude, I've seen enough of your guitar photos to recognize some talent there. I think you should seriously consider putting together a guitar calendar with you doing the photos. Nice photo.

[HappyValley]

To my ear, the brown amps are just the essence of vintage tone from the 60s. There's nothing typical about them, and since they have not been reissued, it's a tone that remains pretty rare and unique. To me, a compelling sound that you just don't hear much...a bit more of a challenging, atypical approach to tone, but damn fine at that.

ML

I used a 1X12 '61-'62-ish Brown Deluxe exclusively for YEARS.... loved that amp. I'd mike it in bigger rooms and have the sound guy just leave the EQ flat on the board. After awhile I needed more amp and sold it to get my Clark tyger. Still miss that lil' Brown Deluxe though (sniffle):( .

[mikelaw]

that amp is ALL OVER the american folk and blues 3 dvd set! everyone plays it and it sounds sick. im jealous....wish i had one of those for small rooms.

[zappafrank]

I went over to Don Mare's place on Saturday to have him wind me a neck pickup for my '56 Esquire. I don't think I can say enough good things about his Telecaster pickups. Mine is now the forth guitar I have played with his Telecaster pickups and he has yet to disappoint. He simply hands down make the best sounding reproduction Telecaster pickup out there. It's not even a close race. They sound just like the real thing. Hell of a nice guy too and with a unbelievable knowledgeable about what makes those old pickup sound the way they do.

that's great to hear---I have a Don Mare custom wind set in a 52' fake Tele replica---just astounds me how responsive and musical they are, yet (and this is important to me...) how FAT and huge sounding they are without that yucky rock/midrange hump---clear as a Montana sky, but no icepick---magic, really---nice to hear that you've been able to hear his Tele pickups in 4 guitars and they all had "it"---

Now, a question--- My Pee Wee Crayton strat desperately needs an overhaul in the pickup department---The Voodoo 50's sound great in my 57' RI "Mary Kaye", but anemic in the Pee Wee---and sadly, the very vintage sounding and highly touted (as they deserve to be) J.M. Rolph Vintage Pretender 56' set in the Pee Wee right now ALSO come across that way---it's the guitar itself, I guess?

Anyway, I'm going to sell either the '57' USA Strat RI, or the Pee Wee---but I've decided to try ONE more set of pups in the Pee Wee, and Don M. is the 'last hope' for that guitar---and the Rolph's will soon be for sale, as soon as I can get them unsoldered and outta there---

THINSOCKS---did you get a chance to hear/play any of Don's strat pickups while you were at his place? If so---what did you think, as compared to his obvious nailing all those killer Tele tones?

I'm debating calling Don and actually see if he will go for me shipping him the Pee Wee so he can actually try his pups out in the actual guitar---if he will be up for that---

Skillback---very classy looking Airline---




Anyway---thanks for any insight

hope all is well with you true-bluesers

-a

[TwoFeets]

Who is taking over for Watson on the Nemeth tour again? Matt Stubbs?

[musicofanatic5]

that's great to hear---I have a Don Mare custom wind set in a 52' fake Tele replica---just astounds me how responsive and musical they are, yet (and this is important to me...) how FAT and huge sounding they are without that yucky rock/midrange hump---clear as a Montana sky, but no icepick---magic, really---nice to hear that you've been able to hear his Tele pickups in 4 guitars and they all had "it"---

Now, a question--- My Pee Wee Crayton strat desperately needs an overhaul in the pickup department---The Voodoo 50's sound great in my 57' RI "Mary Kaye", but anemic in the Pee Wee---and sadly, the very vintage sounding and highly touted (as they deserve to be) J.M. Rolph Vintage Pretender 56' set in the Pee Wee right now ALSO come across that way---it's the guitar itself, I guess?

Anyway, I'm going to sell either the '57' USA Strat RI, or the Pee Wee---but I've decided to try ONE more set of pups in the Pee Wee, and Don M. is the 'last hope' for that guitar---and the Rolph's will soon be for sale, as soon as I can get them unsoldered and outta there---

THINSOCKS---did you get a chance to hear/play any of Don's strat pickups while you were at his place? If so---what did you think, as compared to his obvious nailing all those killer Tele tones?

I'm debating calling Don and actually see if he will go for me shipping him the Pee Wee so he can actually try his pups out in the actual guitar---if he will be up for that---

Skillback---very classy looking Airline---




Anyway---thanks for any insight

hope all is well with you true-bluesers

-a
Hey A.C.-there's a set of Don's Watson strat p.u.s f'sale in the emporium. Or at least there was last night.

[zappafrank]

Hey A.C.-there's a set of Don's Watson strat p.u.s f'sale in the emporium. Or at least there was last night.

Thx Jon---I looked pretty carefully back to 5/11/07. but I either missed 'em or they are way gone and the seller deleted them---day late and a dollar short---story of a large percentage of many people's lives!!

thanks again---
ac

PS:---Jon---anytime you get back to Portland---let me know---you can always use my Carr Rambler---what a great all around-style amp, huh???

ac

[Strat-O]

AC, I've got the Watson pickups in my Pee Wee Strat. Sounds killer to me. Just classic Strat pickup tone but not all glassy and thin or plinky. Very full and clear. Love the bridge pickup. I sound exactly like Junior Watson with them!


:rotflmao Well, almost everything I said up above was true!

[mikelaw]

AC, I've got the Watson pickups in my Pee Wee Strat. Sounds killer to me. Just classic Strat pickup tone but not all glassy and thin or plinky. Very full and clear. Love the bridge pickup. I sound exactly like Junior Watson with them!


:rotflmao Well, almost everything I said up above was true!

haha

[straightblues]

AC I would call Don and talk to him about it. I have never really liked strats. But since I did my teles with Don and I loved the way they sounded, he told me he could make me some strat pickups that would sound great. I trusted him and went for it. I put together an alder strat with a big maple neck with a rosewood board. It came out great. With Don's pickups in it, I actually turn on the bright switch and crank up the treble on my BF fender amps when I pull this strat out. My tone is so fat. I finally get that classic Buddy Guy tone. While I am still not a big strat fan, I now have a strat that I can play that nails the strat tones that we all love, but are frequently very hard to capture.

Here is my strat. It is about 6 months old.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN6297.jpg

[Schwalbe]

AC I would call Don and talk to him about it. I have never really liked strats. But since I did my teles with Don and I loved the way they sounded, he told me he could make me some strat pickups that would sound great. I trusted him and went for it. I put together an alder strat with a big maple neck with a rosewood board. It came out great. With Don's pickups in it, I actually turn on the bright switch and crank up the treble on my BF fender amps when I pull this strat out. My tone is so fat. I finally get that classic Buddy Guy tone. While I am still not a big strat fan, I now have a strat that I can play that nails the strat tones that we all love, but are frequently very hard to capture.

Here is my strat. It is about 6 months old.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN6297.jpg
GREAT lookin' ax, man!

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Sean, that Eastwood guitar looks and sounds great. How would you rate that Edwards Les Paul special you used to have against it sound wise? I am looking hard for a Special type guitar but don't want a skinny neck or p100's to change out. It seems to be one of the most rare styles of electric guitar out there. fred

[nmontz]

Straightblues, where did you get the bakelite lookin' knobs for your blue strat? Are they repro or old?

[straightblues]

Straightblues, where did you get the bakelite lookin' knobs for your blue strat? Are they repro or old?

The knobs are the new ones that they are putting on the 62 reissue. I aged and reshaped them a little with sandpaper and a little shoe polish.

[valcotone]

Sean, that Eastwood guitar looks and sounds great. How would you rate that Edwards Les Paul special you used to have against it sound wise? I am looking hard for a Special type guitar but don't want a skinny neck or p100's to change out. It seems to be one of the most rare styles of electric guitar out there. fred


Thanks Fred. Well, there are lots of construction differences between the Tuxedo and a Special... hollow vs. solidbody, neck joint position, trapese vs. stop tail, 25.5" scale, etc. The Tux had a definite archtop vibe about it and the tones are in that ballpark... doesn't really sound like a special to me. The pickups are also pretty hollow-sounding to me, in a good way. They don't have the midrange or bark you'd expect from a good P90. Both the neck and bridge pups alone have an almost phasey quality to them which is interesting.

I had a Tokai LP Special, and have an Edwards P90 Gold Top which is cool. And I'd like to get an Edwards Special if I can find one I can play first. I played a couple of white or black ones in Japan and they were not up to the usual Edwards quality....felt cheap.

[TwoFeets]

If you're looking into a good deal on a vintage P90 LP Special, the tobaccoburst ones they made from about '74 to '79 are excellent values. The one I had was from '74 and had a wraparound tailpiece, which I think is also desirable to the guys in this thread, from what I've read before. It has the larger headstock like the 70's LP's but is a 1-piece mahogany neck with no volute and I *think* it has the old-style peghead tilt.

There are a couple on Ebay right now which surprises me; the wrap tail ones with "normal" P90's like this one are harder to find; the earliest ones had boo-boo rings to fit the P90's into the humbucker routes. They apparently then figured out how to route for a P90 again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-75-Gibson-Les-Paul-Jr-Special_W0QQitemZ300111623396QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38 086QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-Special-1974-player-NR_W0QQitemZ250115112699QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38086QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[HappyValley]

Goldenstrat- Not sure how much $$ you're looking to spend - I went through Musicians' Friend (of all places!) and bought a VOS Special TV and like it more than the Historic LP GT I had prior. Used my Musician's Friend card to ease the payment pain a little...they have a "same as cash" (no interest %) plan on some guitars.
It's the 1st Gibson RI I've owned where I didn't feel the need to upgrade something (i.e. pickups, hardware, pots, etc.). I've had it for close too or maybe just over a year now and still love it.

[zappafrank]

AC, I've got the Watson pickups in my Pee Wee Strat. Sounds killer to me. Just classic Strat pickup tone but not all glassy and thin or plinky. Very full and clear. Love the bridge pickup. I sound exactly like Junior Watson with them!


:rotflmao Well, almost everything I said up above was true!


That's just about sold me!---Thanks--me no want plinky/glassy/thin

ac

[zappafrank]

AC I would call Don and talk to him about it. I have never really liked strats. But since I did my teles with Don and I loved the way they sounded, he told me he could make me some strat pickups that would sound great. I trusted him and went for it. I put together an alder strat with a big maple neck with a rosewood board. It came out great. With Don's pickups in it, I actually turn on the bright switch and crank up the treble on my BF fender amps when I pull this strat out. My tone is so fat. I finally get that classic Buddy Guy tone. While I am still not a big strat fan, I now have a strat that I can play that nails the strat tones that we all love, but are frequently very hard to capture.

Here is my strat. It is about 6 months old.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN6297.jpg

Thanks straightblues---BTW---very nice parts-o-strat!!---My pee Wee has knobs that look like that, too---even with faux 'cracks' in 'em...kool stuff----my RW neck strat is a Sonic Blue Refin---is yours Sonic, or Daphne?---I'm thinking the 'hotter', newest Watson Version will be a real likely candidate for the PW Crayton strat......

PS--Jon---got your PM---hell yeah----I'll make a POINT of coming and seeing you when you head this way!---Get a Fri. or Sat. gig 'round here, if ya can, ok??

and Nick---you just HAD to mention those LP TV Specials, did'nt ya?---I've considered offing my 56' RI for one of those w/ the wraparound!--Thanks a lot!;)

ac

[Thinsocks]

If you're looking into a good deal on a vintage P90 LP Special, the tobaccoburst ones they made from about '74 to '79 are excellent values. The one I had was from '74 and had a wraparound tailpiece, which I think is also desirable to the guys in this thread, from what I've read before. It has the larger headstock like the 70's LP's but is a 1-piece mahogany neck with no volute and I *think* it has the old-style peghead tilt.

There are a couple on Ebay right now which surprises me; the wrap tail ones with "normal" P90's like this one are harder to find; the earliest ones had boo-boo rings to fit the P90's into the humbucker routes. They apparently then figured out how to route for a P90 again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-75-Gibson-Les-Paul-Jr-Special_W0QQitemZ300111623396QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38 086QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-Special-1974-player-NR_W0QQitemZ250115112699QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38086QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I always thought those 70's wrap around re-issues were on the heavy side - seems like they are in the 8.5lbs to 9lbs range. Most of the old ones were light. I think my old Junior is just a little over 6.5lbs and that's with a added neck pickup, etc.

[straightblues]

Anyone try out the new Gibson Melody Maker yet? This is the guitar that has my attention right now. A few guys on the Les Paul forum have put soapbars in them and seem to be loving them. This might be my next Special/Jr. wraptail type guitar.

Here is the guitar I am talking about:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Electric-Guitar?sku=512640

Here is a thread from the LP forum with a guy putting a P90 into his.

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128503&highlight=melody+maker

[Thinsocks]

Anyone try out the new Gibson Melody Maker yet? This is the guitar that has my attention right now. A few guys on the Les Paul forum have put soapbars in them and seem to be loving them. This might be my next Special/Jr. wraptail type guitar.

Here is the guitar I am talking about:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Electric-Guitar?sku=512640

Here is a thread from the LP forum with a guy putting a P90 into his.

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128503&highlight=melody+maker

I was hot for one of those when they first came out, but then I played one at Guitar Center last month and didn't bond with it. Gibson is not grain filling or sealing the mahogany so the finishes were all awful. Way worse then what you see on the website. Neck profile was thin and the finger board edges were really sharp. I thought about routing one out for two P-90's, but then that was just adding another $160-200 (for the pickups) on top of the price and then I might as well pull the frets out, so I can round the board and If I did that I'd have to refret it, etc. It started looking like something I could spend a month screwing around with and just end up being a $350 guitar that in the end cost me $650-$700 when it was all over.

[KBR]

Yeah and would it intonante?

[TwoFeets]

I always thought those 70's wrap around re-issues were on the heavy side - seems like they are in the 8.5lbs to 9lbs range. Most of the old ones were light. I think my old Junior is just a little over 6.5lbs and that's with a added neck pickup, etc.

Yeah, some were pretty heavy, but they were all over the map. I had one that was fairly light. I sold it, like an idiot, about 10 years ago, before I really started playing this music. Saw one at the guitar show last year and I really wanted it but, like you say, it was a boat anchor.

[Thinsocks]

Yeah and would it intonante?

About as good as $350 guitar, with Korean tuners and not much of a neck angle could.

[Thinsocks]

Yeah, some were pretty heavy, but they were all over the map. I had one that was fairly light. I sold it, like an idiot, about 10 years ago, before I really started playing this music. Saw one at the guitar show last year and I really wanted it but, like you say, it was a boat anchor.

Nathan James has one that he uses a decent amount, but I've never played it and been able to check the weight..

[TwoFeets]

Nathan James has one that he uses a decent amount, but I've never played it and been able to check the weight..

I have pics of me playing mine back then, but I don't know if I could get past the embarrassment of posting them here. :o

[TwoFeets]

Here's a stupid question :

What kind of guitar stands do you all use/recommend, both for solid bodies and/or archtops?

I've always used those real cheap, basic stands with the U-shaped removable cradle at the bottom and the smaller U-shaped cradle at the top for the neck, but I've gotten tired of them breaking, losing the tubing off the arms, etc.

[valcotone]

Guitar stands.... I recently got one of these and like it a lot...fold up nicely, holds the guitar securely, and sits firmly on the floor. No problems yet. Takes solid bodies, archtops, acoustics, etc...

http://www.herculesstands.com/guitars/GS414B.html

http://www.herculesstands.com/Images/guitar/GS414BMain.jpg

[TwoFeets]

Guitar stands.... I recently got one of these and like it a lot...fold up nicely, holds the guitar securely, and sits firmly on the floor. No problems yet. Takes solid bodies, archtops, acoustics, etc...

Cool - thanks Sean. How is it footprint-wise, as far as space it takes up onstage?

[musicofanatic5]

I like the Herc stands, too. I have a coupla the floor stands (as opposed to the "hanger" type) for all the acoustic firewood (mandolin, mandola, dobro, etc) I have to bring to a folky gig. Well made, durable, sturdy, low center o' gravity...
I don't have any trouble with a wraptail and how it "intonante(s)" (I like that word!)

[aja]

hey guys don't know if you've seen these yet but here's some shultz with kashmar and some Ronnie Earl I've been freaking out about.
www.youtube/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1 (http://www.youtube/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKFkrodZvbY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKFkrodZvbY)

[groove_king]

Here's a stupid question :

What kind of guitar stands do you all use/recommend, both for solid bodies and/or archtops?

I've always used those real cheap, basic stands with the U-shaped removable cradle at the bottom and the smaller U-shaped cradle at the top for the neck, but I've gotten tired of them breaking, losing the tubing off the arms, etc.

I use K&M stands like the one in this link:

http://www.guitar.co.uk/accessories/instrument_stands/925-konig_and_meyer_heli_guitar_stand

The base section is adjustable for different sizes of guitar, the stand is small and light and doesn't take up much space on stage.

[mikelaw]

hercules are the best, shoot me an email rob ill hook you up.

[rjkohrs]

Just saw that Bo Diddley is in the hospital after suffering a stroke. I hope that the gentleman who has inspired many a person to pick up a guitar is able to steer his ship through this storm.....

[jetlag]

That's terrible news about Bo, really sorry to hear that.

The hercules stands look like a similar concept to the ultimate stands I used to use. The problem I had with the ultimate stands is that they eat the lacquer off the neck where the stand grips your guitar. It would react with the lacquer and remove spots about the size of a nickel or quarter on each side of the neck. To continue using them I would have to put a rag or something in that slot. Maybe hercules has come up with a type of foam that eliminates that problem, dunno, but I thought I would pass that lesson-by-hard-knock on FYI. I use those gruven stands that collapse and fit in a bag or case now. Not the greatest solution, but a solution. Those K&M look interesting and are a similar concept to the gruven stands.

[rhartt1234]

I went to Guitar Center to get some strings and they had a black Squier 51. Just as I was about to ask if they had a Sunburst I see one. I tried it through one of those Champ reissues that didn't knock me out but looked cool. I figgered, "What the heck?" I was close to buying one several times and when they were discontinued and discounted they became hard to find. I throw it on the counter and I ask the dude what he can do for the guitar and a gig bag. Then I notice a blemish just below the bridge beneath the finish. Long story short I say $75, he says $80 and I'm out the door with a bag for $105. Now I have too many guitars for a guy that doesn't play guitar, but they are more fun to collect than harmonicas.

[valcotone]

Sorry to hear about Bo... !


Ryan - nice score!


Here's an MP3 just for fun... Junior Watson playing the Hucklebuck from the Ohne Filter show he did with Kim Wilson and Rusty (any Larry Taylor and Richard Innes... what a band!!)

http://www.kilback.net/tunes/JW_hucklebuck_ohnefilter.mp3

[dukeh62]

I went to Guitar Center to get some strings and they had a black Squier 51. Just as I was about to ask if they had a Sunburst I see one. I tried it through one of those Champ reissues that didn't knock me out but looked cool. I figgered, "What the heck?" I was close to buying one several times and when they were discontinued and discounted they became hard to find. I throw it on the counter and I ask the dude what he can do for the guitar and a gig bag. Then I notice a blemish just below the bridge beneath the finish. Long story short I say $75, he says $80 and I'm out the door with a bag for $105. Now I have too many guitars for a guy that doesn't play guitar, but they are more fun to collect than harmonicas.

And just think, you saved $4,445 over this one:
http://www.themusiczoo.com/FenderMasterbuilt_JohnCruz_Custom51_VintageBlonde_ JC577.html

[valcotone]

The Guitar Boogie Shuffle Twist (Watusi)......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6b9nzw9Rg

[Poppa Stoppa]

Sorry to hear about Bo... !


Ryan - nice score!


Here's an MP3 just for fun... Junior Watson playing the Hucklebuck from the Ohne Filter show he did with Kim Wilson and Rusty (any Larry Taylor and Richard Innes... what a band!!)

http://www.kilback.net/tunes/JW_hucklebuck_ohnefilter.mp3Thanks Sean! Apart from an amazing band and unbelieveable playing, Junior's tone is about as good as it ever was there.

I'd like to be able to save this so I can put it on a cd, but can't. Is it kind of protected like that?

[musicofanatic5]

The Guitar Boogie Shuffle Twist (Watusi)......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6b9nzw9Rg
I recall seeing some video of that OhneFilter show a while back. Say, do you know the Minstrel Cafe & Bar in Kelowna? I see that coming up on my schedule and wondered if it was in your 'hood at all?

[Strat-O]

Yeah, the Holmstrom You Tube is cool, but what about those Rick Astley clips? Now that dude's got it goin' on!

:BEER

[jumpnblues]

"hey guys don't know if you've seen these yet but here's some shultz with kashmar and some Ronnie Earl I've been freaking out about.
www.youtube/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1 (http://www.youtube/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKFkrodZvbY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKFkrodZvbY)"


Hey aja,

When I watch those videos I kinda' get stuck between being motivated to practice more and never wanting to pick up my guitar again. :puh :( :cool:

Tom

[GOLDENSTRAT]

I can't get those youtubes to link, what's the title of the Ronnie vid? As far as a Lp Special goes, I wanna spend about 600 but the market seems limited to used Gibsons with p100s. I wish I had been around to ebay Seans Tokai, they seem pretty rare. fred

[jumpnblues]

"The problem I had with the ultimate stands is that they eat the lacquer off the neck where the stand grips your guitar. It would react with the lacquer and remove spots about the size of a nickel or quarter on each side of the neck. To continue using them I would have to put a rag or something in that slot."


I learned that the hard way...with a brand new Gibson L-5CES archtop...OUCH!!! :jo :jo

Tom

[mikelaw]

hercules stands are safe. this is from the site:

Specially Forumlated Foam
Specially Formulated Foam rubber is used on all the contact points between the stand and your instrument. Designed not to harm your instruments finish, SFF rubber is tested as lacquer-safe.

[aja]

Yea I did something wrong with those links I think. The Ronnie one is him
doing the tbone shuffle. Yea I think I considered never playing again after
hearing that too. The kashmar one is just plain goodness.

[Strat-O]

Well, I have learned the hard way that all P90 covers are not created equal. Why on earth would they not all be the same size?

Anybody need a set of Allparts P90, cream soapbar style covers?

[buickwilson]

When I first found this thread a few months ago, I was amazed by all the great stuff... 30 years of playing and here's a bunch of cats all groovin to the same things... It's a gold mine to find this thread..

Awhile back, there was a youtube link for a Ronnie Earl show that was beyond great. I think the concert was Paris or somewhere in Europe, probably about 5-6 years ago. Maybe around the Language of the Soul period. When Ronnie found he could tour without a singer and let his guitar and the B3 be the voice. It's an excellent video and audio quality, must have shot for DVD. Can't recall, as I was digging a lot of great clips people were posting here... I do remember getting chills from this clip.

Btw, it's a different concert then the clips of Roniie with Lynwood Slim or Darrel Nulisch clips like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKfkrodZvbY
that are still on the youtube, which are good, but not the one I had seen a few months back..


Anyway, the clip was taken off youtube, probably thanks to the copyright police... Does anyone know of a concert DVD or where I can find that material. I googled, but mostly get his usual CD's and the instructional videos.

Thanks... Neil

[Scott Miller]

These still knock me out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeaBNAXfHfQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzr_GBa8qk&mode=related&search=

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

[Poppa Stoppa]

That Sister Rosetta Tharpe stuff is wild.

Couple of clips of that Dutch guy Guitar Ray here. He is too modest to blow his own trumpet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9923QKnzhXg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9923QKnzhXg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q72-4jRoTeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cd68-F-auc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9T3V_KvIPg

Yea I did something wrong with those links I think. ...The kashmar one is just plain goodness.aja you somehow chopped the '.com' part out of the first one. It should be:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-gL10jwY6w&NR=1)

... It's a gold mine to find this thread.....ain't that the truth.

Here is my new project - guess what I'm gonna do:
http://picasaweb.google.com/geoff149/AirlineStratotoneII

[musicofanatic5]

[quote=Strat-O;2503913]Well, I have learned the hard way that all P90 covers are not created equal. Why on earth would they not all be the same size?quote]

Whattya mean? I thought they were all the same, too.

[jimfog]

Hey,

On that 1st "Blues Harp Meltdown" cd, which artists does Watson play with.....or, if easier, who DOESN'T he play with?? I want to snag it off of eMusic, but want to just grab the Junior cuts for now.

Thanks!
- Jim

[zappafrank]

Hey,

On that 1st "Blues Harp Meltdown" cd, which artists does Watson play with.....or, if easier, who DOESN'T he play with?? I want to snag it off of eMusic, but want to just grab the Junior cuts for now.

Thanks!
- Jim

He's on the whole dang thing!---It's an encyclopedia of how to back up harp-based blues music---he is backing:

Kim Wilson, Mark Hummel, Kim Wilson, James Harman (Watson kills on this stuff), RJ Mischo, Gary Smith, and Billy Branch---Kirk Fletcher is also on the Kim Wilson tracks, and Charles Wheal (Hummel's guitarist) is there too, but Watson is def the dominant guitar voice---just get the whole thing---or get the Harman, Wilson, and Estrin, and Mischo sets if you aint got the bread for all of it right away.

Another (to me) Encyclopedic-guitar-backing-harp CD is the live "Little Boy Blue" (Live at the Knickerbocker Club) with Ronnie Earl, Big Walter, and Sugar Ray Norcia---Ronnie just knocks it all out of the park in a suprisingly 'back seat' role for him on that outing---just ridiculously good RHYTHM guitar, without his usual extended searing solos--a lot of tunes in E (a couple in G), and he does it all without being repetitive and boring---just stellar, IMO---and all on a strat---just find it and buy it!

hope that guides ya, jimfrog!!---:BEER

ac

[zappafrank]

"The problem I had with the ultimate stands is that they eat the lacquer off the neck where the stand grips your guitar. It would react with the lacquer and remove spots about the size of a nickel or quarter on each side of the neck. To continue using them I would have to put a rag or something in that slot."


I learned that the hard way...with a brand new Gibson L-5CES archtop...OUCH!!! :jo :jo

Tom

yep---my experience exactly with many stands---we should be able to sue! Not every player has poly and satin finish gits, dammit!!:FM

ac

[zappafrank]

hercules stands are safe. this is from the site:

Specially Forumlated Foam
Specially Formulated Foam rubber is used on all the contact points between the stand and your instrument. Designed not to harm your instruments finish, SFF rubber is tested as lacquer-safe.

Thanks for this, mikelaw--

ac

[Stringmaster]

re P90's--I've heard similar discussions--both related to covers not fitting as mentioned, but also some aftermarket P90 soapbars not fitting properly into the routed cavities of Gibson's, etc.

[TwoFeets]

Yeah, I guess P90 pickup covers vary wildly. I have a P90 out of a Gibson R6 in the neck pos. of my Tokai and a True Tone Tech P90 in the bridge. I assume the True Tone guy probably gets his covers from Stew Mac or something. The color and shape of the covers are totally different.

I talked to Jim Rolph once about getting P90's (he doesn't offer them) and he said that he had just about everything he needed to make an exact replica of a 50's P90, the problem was he couldn't get covers that fit the old-style coils properly, and it was too cost-prohibitive for him to have them run. I guess the covers on the real old ones are much thinner plastic so the internal dimensions prevent the coil from fitting inside the cover.

[soldersucker]

[

Anyway, the clip was taken off youtube, probably thanks to the copyright police... Does anyone know of a concert DVD or where I can find that material. I googled, but mostly get his usual CD's and the instructional videos.

Thanks... Neil[/quote]I got the DVD of this Mr.Earl concert off flea-bay well worth it.

[Stringmaster]

I wonder if there is a problem with dogear p90's--both with pickups not fitting the covers, and the holes not lining up properly to be mounted on the guitars existing holes? Experiences?

[dukeh62]

Well, I have learned the hard way that all P90 covers are not created equal. Why on earth would they not all be the same size?

Anybody need a set of Allparts P90, cream soapbar style covers?

I know when I tried putting my Lollars in my R6 goldtop, I thought the covers were a different size and wouldn't fit in the cavity. It turned out that Lollar's mounting screws were longer, so I just swapped the old ones in and they worked perfectly. I think this was an issue quite a few other guys were having too.

[jetlag]

I've had to take a round file to P90 covers to make stuff fit as well. That is the coil fitting the cover. Then there is the issue of a given covered soap bar fitting a routed cavity. About the nicest covers out there are seymour duncans, but they don't fit a lot of stuff. Regarding dog ears, I haven't done much swapping, but I would think the problems would be the same - different screws, different pole spacing etc.

Regarding the stands, that is good info Mike. Thanks, hope those guys really did get it right. Ultimate sure didn't - I was using 3 of them at the same time and they ate up lacquer on 2 vintage guitars and a dot reissue before I noticed it. Really pissed me off.

Nothin' beats those Sister Rosetta clips - I can watch them over and over. I love her kick ass guitar moves too.

[Strat-O]

The Sister Rosetta clips are cool but that kind of music is just church music in the south. Not so much First Baptist, but more southern Baptist, and most all Pentecostal, AME, and Assembly of God churches. I grew up in all that so its not so intriguing to me, but it is great music and frankly its more than just great music. So without getting religious on anybody, that kind of music happens all the time in a church somewhere near you. Go check it out.


Allparts soapbar P90 covers are much larger than Gibson soapbar P90's. I can't believe it. Apparently you have to make sure you buy covers that clearly state that they fit Gibson P90's, if that's what you're trying to do.

[michael30]

Is the bottom plate on a P90 the same size as a P-13? I was thinking about buying some cheap P90 knockoff and using the bottom plate for the pickup in the picture.

http://demont.net/harmony/myharmonies/Michael/P13_02.jpg

[straightblues]

All P90's are not the same. I tried to put some Duncan's in my R6 that Don Mare had rewound for me. The corners of the base plate didn't fit the route. I had to end up grinding all four corners of the base plate off before I could fit them in my R6. The original gibson covers wouldn't fit the Duncans either so I went with the Duncan covers which needed a little filing along the bottom as well.

[valcotone]

I agree with Jetlag in that the cream Seymour Duncan covers seem to be the best looking... they matched the pickguard perfectly on my guitar and fit the Lollar's just fine... WHY are so many recent Gibson P90 covers almost a shade of PINK? :messedup

[TwoFeets]

I like the Duncan Antiquity dogear covers; they have somewhat rounded corners and angles. They don't look all boxy.

[HappyValley]

Hey guys- In the parts dept:
I am selling some stuff that's been hanging around...PM me if interested-

A '53 P-90 w/Gibson RI dogear cover; IT NEEDS SERVICE!! The copper wire is still wrapped around the bobbin, but a 2" portion is hanging off one end. The polepeices,bobbin, magnets, etc. are all original. this PUP came off a ' 53 ES-350 I had.
2 Gibson RI Humbuckers from an early 90's ES-335 w/aged nickel covers.

Man, Guitar Ray was burnin' w/Enrico Crivillerro on that clip!! KILLER swing stuff. Enrico is one of the most modest nice guys you'll ever meet.

[dddelta]

I uploaded a Jimmie Vaughan thing onto youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MEAz9zfwQ

[Scott Miller]

The thing that gets me about Rosetta Tharpe is her guitar. I mean, I hear a Ronnie Earl solo and it's great, all 17,000 bars of it, but then what Rosetta plays in 12 bars... that's about all you need right there.

[MVrider]

The thing that gets me about Rosetta Tharpe is her guitar. I mean, I hear a Ronnie Earl solo and it's great, all 17,000 bars of it, but then what Rosetta plays in 12 bars... that's about all you need right there.

+1 She was just awesome. Kind of ironic, isn't it? Two bazillion "blues" guitarists out there and a 50-year old video of Sister Rosetta pretty much puts it all to shame.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

DDDelta, cool, got anymore? pretty please? Jimmie's band grooves so hard.
Just recieved a Premier reverb tank I got off ebay and it is pretty cool, don't have experience with a Fender to compare but it has a volume knob and mic input that heats things up a little. fred

[Strat-O]

Ha! You can hear that music in church still, but you won't see too many women with a white SG, much less any guitar strapped on at church!

:dude

[Poppa Stoppa]

Lollar P90's and the black dog-ear covers are completely interchangeable with new Epiphone P90's and covers with no modifications.

DDDelta that is a great clip of Jimmie Vaughan! The end chord is 'specially nice, followed by the trademark JLV bend that Sister Rosetta Tharpe did on one of those videos - except she does a cool arm-waving thing to go with it that I gotta steal!

In case anybody missed that Guitar Ray swing thing with Enrico in my previous long post, it is killer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9923QKnzhXg

[Strat-O]

So do any of you guys play in two guitar bands? Or one guitar with keys? Regularly?