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straightblues
07-28-2006, 12:39 PM
[quote=dukeh62]Holy crap!!!! I found some other pics online...that story is crazy!!!!! Reminds me of Black Market Music in LA..[quote]

Where is Black Market Music? Are you talking LA California or Lousiana?

Poppa Stoppa
07-28-2006, 12:55 PM
Mr Law that is the nearest thing to the holy grail I have seen in a long time...thank god I can't go there, I'd be broke & single in a minute.

I gotta think about something else...how about Freddie King doing Hideaway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPpzVql4T8&NR

Scott Miller
07-28-2006, 01:51 PM
You know, I'm about ready to go out and buy every dang Earl Hooker CD I can find. I have something on Arhoolie and something called "Blue Guitar." Any other recommendations, before I spend the rent payment?

zappafrank
07-28-2006, 03:16 PM
Jankety---man, you are like an Encyclopedia! I love it!

I have a cool compilation, Scott....although it is not ALL Hooker, there's quite a few early instrumentals from him on it---probably all of it could be found on Jankety's choices, but if you can't find THOSE...

It's called "Blue Guitar" and it's all Sun-era stuff---CD says 'The Sun Blues Archives Vol. 1' on the side, and is a Charley Records release---it has a bunch of Willie Johnson rarities, and a couple Pat Hare-as-sideman cuts, too---just great
---not to be confused with the PAULA CD release called 'Blue Guitar', which is ALL hooker, and great stuff too...

Thanks Jankety---I'm listening to it again right now!

ac

zappafrank
07-28-2006, 03:25 PM
Damn, mikelaw---what a STORE!! looks like a blown up, MACRO version of my very messy place! lol..

BTW folks---I just saw an advance quarter page advertisement for Jimi Bott's new release in the new issue of our local Cascade Blues Association monthly 'Blues Notes'---It's called "Bott And Paid For" and it's all LIVE at Duff's Garage here in Portland---too bad there's a picture of me in the add---YUCK! No WONDER I've been hitting the gym hard....I gotta get this blubber off once...and for ALL! (A lifelong struggle for me, I'm afraid--)
Anyway, Paul DeLay is on it, as well as Marco Savo (you guys will really dig him...) and others---It's official---I'm on my first semi-inter-nationally
released CD!!!---
It's release date is late August----Man, how Jimi's going to coordinate that w/ his intense T-Birds tour sked, I dunno---but he's a pro---
I'll keep ya'll posted---I'm gettin' excited now---for the 1st time in awhile---hmmm---where's the GF??? ha!

ac

Strat-O
07-28-2006, 04:29 PM
I picked up my Pee Wee Strat (fully assembled and set up) this afternoon. It looks killer. I'm gonng use it on the gig tonight and see how it sounds.

:BEER

zappafrank
07-28-2006, 05:14 PM
I picked up my Pee Wee Strat (fully assembled and set up) this afternoon. It looks killer. I'm gonng use it on the gig tonight and see how it sounds.

:BEER

PICTURES!!!!!:BEER

ac

Scott Miller
07-28-2006, 05:29 PM
Thanks for the EH info. I don't know why I all of a sudden connected with the Earl Hooker vibe. I think it's my Harmony H-75.

Freddy Roulette is regular at RJ's jam. I love what he does on a slow blues.

HappyValley
07-29-2006, 01:20 AM
Thanks for the EH info. I don't know why I all of a sudden connected with the Earl Hooker vibe. I think it's my Harmony H-75.

.

Scott- read the Earl Hooker book by Sebastian Danchin- It's one of the better artist bio reads I've experienced, plus is an exhaustive discography of all of Hooker's sessions.

Strat-O
07-29-2006, 12:51 PM
Hey AC - How are the tone controls wired up on your Pee Wee Strat?

I'll try to get some photos soon...

TwoFeets
07-29-2006, 03:57 PM
Wow. We lost another one, guys.

Jump-blues pianist Floyd Dixon dead at 77
From United Press International
July 29, 2006 10:17 AM EDT

ORANGE, Jul 29, 2006 (UPI via COMTEX) -- R&B pianist and songwriter
Floyd Dixon, whose "Hey Bartender" was brought to the masses by the
Blues Brothers, has died in Orange, Calif., at age 77.

The 1997 W.C. Handy Award winner who specialized in the style known as
jump blues died of cancer Wednesday at Chapman Hospital, the Los
Angeles Times reported.

The Marshall, Texas native moved to Los Angeles with his family and
made his first recording, "Dallas Blues," on the Supreme Records label
1947. He was compared back then to Charles Brown, who later became his
mentor.

In addition to "Hey Bartender," other popular Dixon recordings
included "Wine, Wine, Wine," "Call Operator 210," "Telephone Blues"
and "Too Much Jelly Roll" by Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller.

Like Brown did for him, Dixon helped launch the careers of Ray
Charles, B.B. King and Robert Cray among others, the Times said.

The advent of rock 'n' roll in the early 1960s pushed Dixon out of the
limelight but he came back with a successful European tour in the mid
1970s and his 1997 live recording, "Wake Up and Live!" on Alligator
Records won the Handy award for comeback blues album of the year.

"He simultaneously knew that he was a quite an important figure in
music, but he was also a somewhat neglected one," Alligator President
Bruce Iglauer told the times.

Dixon never married and is survived by two cousins.

mikelaw
07-30-2006, 11:16 AM
aw thats ashame....he was really good and has a new cd coming out i saw.....stinks!

fretshop
07-31-2006, 07:19 AM
Was that at the Black Eyed Sally's show I was on aja? You afforded me the great opportunity to step down & hear my tele through my new Juke 1210 from the 'audience perspective' that night, man! You sounded good up there, too - both Mike Law and Fretshop were in the house that night if I recall....
How's that club doing anyways?

Yeah nick, Carol and I were there. That's the day we almost bought the farm coming off Exit 48 when a tire blew at close to 70 mph. We were both upset from the tire incident, and we left early. that was
"Lactation Nation" night at Sally's. Remember all the babes at the club?

aja
07-31-2006, 08:39 AM
lol lactation night ! That area of 84 always gets me nervous hope everything worked out ok for you. Sally's and the club upstairs gets its fair
share of honey's for sure. That would of been way cool if you heard me I
remember playing fairly well especially with my palms sweating and knees
shaking !! lol

Their was just an article in living blues about Floyd dixon thats really too bad.

Strat-O
07-31-2006, 08:46 AM
C'mon guys, trying to stay focused here. All this lactation talk is distracting. Um, got any pics?

:drool

fretshop
07-31-2006, 12:17 PM
lol lactation night ! That area of 84 always gets me nervous hope everything worked out ok for you. Sally's and the club upstairs gets its fair
share of honey's for sure. That would of been way cool if you heard me I
remember playing fairly well especially with my palms sweating and knees
shaking !! lol

Their was just an article in living blues about Floyd dixon thats really too bad.

aja: Sorry we missed you. We're fortunate that we had GM Stabilitrack on the Avalanche. The system took over and basically kept us level and safe until we could come to a stop. We had to get up very early and go out looking for a tire, so we decided to can the evening somewhat early. If you're in the area, I'll be at Vincent's Thursday, hangin' with Nick and Eric, and at Fat Bill's on Saturday. Friday we're just hangin' around Lowell, eating great Greek food.

Scott Miller
07-31-2006, 01:54 PM
Crapola, I lost the bookmark to that Monday blues online radio from Holland, or somewhere thereabouts. Can someone post the link? Thanks.

aja
07-31-2006, 02:00 PM
I may come to vincents its a little far but getting to see Nick and Eric together might be worth it.

rhartt1234
07-31-2006, 02:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvdKV7vUN9A&search=lester%20butler

rhartt1234
07-31-2006, 02:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NJs4no_AIo
But who's on guitar?
Was that broken-leg-Jimmie time?

monstermike
07-31-2006, 02:38 PM
Is that Billy Bremner from Rockpile?

mikelaw
07-31-2006, 03:27 PM
tbirds 80! id love that on dvd!!!!!!! i wonder if anyone has it??? fergie on bass is TOOOO COOL!!!!!!!!!

alec...u can carpool with me thursday since were from the same area! keep me company on the drive back?!?!? would be cool. let me know.

jersey....why dont u go see ricky king russell friday in CT? its close and i heard dougy james is on the gig too. cya thursday. im savin all my money until thursday for some $2 drafts in the hizzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

backalley....we are gonna get wrecked---eh? (sorry i was just in canada last week im still carrying their lingo!

luvluv

jimfog
07-31-2006, 03:33 PM
Is that Billy Bremner from Rockpile?

Don't think so, Mike........hard to get a good look, but I think Billy is a good bit shorter.

- jim

mikelaw
07-31-2006, 03:50 PM
who cares? fergie is on it!!!!!!! he is the best!!!!!!!! lmao! :)

Poppa Stoppa
07-31-2006, 04:05 PM
My vote goes with Billy Bremner. Keith Ferguson was king of bass. He used to roll his tone all the way off (as if a P-bass wasn't bassy enough already). He got away with it but Nick Lowe did the same in Rockpile probably because of meeting him and it sounded like sh*t. I didn't much care for Butt Rockin', which Nick produced.

Some nice playing by Alex Schultz on that one with Lester Butler.

David Rotundo (& Shane Scott?) layin' it down thick with Finis Tasby here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8P41ndFJmE&mode=related&search=finis%20tasby

KBR
07-31-2006, 04:58 PM
Over in the Amps/Cabs section, I regretfully am selling a 5F6-A/ PTP 59 Bassman, Tweed Head, It is great for Harp or Guitar, has 4/8 ohm outs in back, done by Brilliant Tech, Ron Ott.
Has 5V4 for earlier breakup, kinda like a Tweed Bandmaster
Kenny Blue Ray

mikelaw
07-31-2006, 05:30 PM
one word describes the following clip....you watch this and write one word. mine is 'KING' (lets try not to repeat someone elses word.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JV3RAdTOnQ&NR

Cliff
07-31-2006, 05:43 PM
Just a heads up for the swing players. I've got my Harmony H-65 for sale over on the Emporium. Thanks.

dukeh62
07-31-2006, 08:10 PM
aja: Sorry we missed you. We're fortunate that we had GM Stabilitrack on the Avalanche. The system took over and basically kept us level and safe until we could come to a stop. We had to get up very early and go out looking for a tire, so we decided to can the evening somewhat early. If you're in the area, I'll be at Vincent's Thursday, hangin' with Nick and Eric, and at Fat Bill's on Saturday. Friday we're just hangin' around Lowell, eating great Greek food.

Fat Boy Bill's is a KILLER new club. We played there two weeks ago. You'll have a blast!

Strat-O
07-31-2006, 09:03 PM
I'm looking for some ideas for the tone control on this Pee Wee Strat I just put together. Right now its got tone controls on the neck and bridge, with no tone control on the middle pickup. The neck and bridge sound fine, but the middle pickup is just way too bright like this...with no tone control.

It's been a long time since I had a 'normal' Strat bridge pickup wired up with no tone control.

- How do you guys have your Strat's set up?

- Anybody know how Jr. Watson has his Strat set up?

- Fretshop, how does Anson have his Strat wired up?

Thanks!!!!

Stringmaster
07-31-2006, 11:30 PM
Strat-O:
I'm a big fan of Fralin's "Blender Pot" setup. It gives a master volume and tone, and a blender to allow for the neck/bridge combo, which I find very useful. I use a 3-way switch though, and it works fine too. Here's a link:

http://fralinpickups.com/images/blendschem2.jpg

I think the other secret is to make sure that the pickups are well calibrated. Since my Strat has Fralins, I went with the "bassplate" on the bridge to fatten it up some--and the pickups are wound progressively hotter from neck to mid to bridge--I can use all positions without tweaking any knobs. Don't know about Junior's setup, but I've seen him on two occasions recently where he played his Strat--one night he was on the bridge almost all night, and the other night hardly at all--and, one of those night was with pick in hand, and the other mostly bare fingered!
DD

fretshop
08-01-2006, 07:07 AM
I'm looking for some ideas for the tone control on this Pee Wee Strat I just put together. Right now its got tone controls on the neck and bridge, with no tone control on the middle pickup. The neck and bridge sound fine, but the middle pickup is just way too bright like this...with no tone control.

It's been a long time since I had a 'normal' Strat bridge pickup wired up with no tone control.

- How do you guys have your Strat's set up?

- Anybody know how Jr. Watson has his Strat set up?

- Fretshop, how does Anson have his Strat wired up?

Thanks!!!!


Anson: The '57 Strat is totally stock....no tone control on the bridge pup. I recently fabricated and installed exact replica value pots and tone cap, extra long stainless pickups height screws and new surgical tubing.

2) USA guitars relic made by a fan : Electronics gutted and replaced with same as '57, and Neck re-fretted and shaped at our shop. Pickups: custom Duncan's wound by Maricela Juarez to the 57's specs. I still like the Van Zandt's better.

About three or four years ago, I opened for Anson at Theodores.
After a duet on "Back Stroke", Sam called out "Sweet Little Angel", and I picked up NC's '58 Strat with the VZ's...plugged into a Louis Custom Twin made for Duke Robillard. Those VZ's smoke !! Duke Played NC's 58 the next night at The Catfish, and immediately asked me to obtain a set.

I've got some equipment photos from a gig at the catfish showing Anson's and my rigs. I'll send them to Eric and see if he can post them.

Strat-O
08-01-2006, 07:25 AM
Thanks G, I'd love to see those photos. I believe I'm gonna check out Don Mare's Strat pickups, maybe the Watson's.

rhartt1234
08-01-2006, 07:26 AM
What chord does JB Lenoir play for that whole chorus on "Talk To Your Daughter"?

Strat-O
08-01-2006, 07:27 AM
Oh, which VanZandt's does NC have in his Strat? I've heard the guitar some too and I thought it sounded great. Of course, NC's no slouch on that thing himself though. And that killer Vibrolux doesn't hurt!

mikelaw
08-01-2006, 07:41 AM
anyone ever heard of the leroi brothers? i got their first release off itunes last night, its pretty funny rockabilly stuff and the rhythm section is mike buck and keith ferguson. :) wowzahs! it reminds me of blasters/rancid/dick dale/gene vincent/clash all rolled into one. buck and fergie sound very much like the OG blasters section.

ES350
08-01-2006, 07:47 AM
What chord does JB Lenoir play for that whole chorus on "Talk To Your Daughter"?

just a seventh chord triad...thru all the changes, just like some of the horn arrangements on other JB tunes. Capo up to the key, play it in E position and you'll nail it...

Poppa Stoppa
08-01-2006, 07:53 AM
anyone ever heard of the leroi brothers? Yeah I bought that when it came out - bit TOO trashy for me in the end. Also one called 'Trash Twang & Thunder' as I recall, a compilation sorta thing.

Stringmaster
08-01-2006, 08:34 AM
The Leroi Brothers out of Austin are great--there's a lot of variety in their recordings though, due to personnel changes. Don Leddy from the Tailgators fame was an original member--and remember, the Tailgators original bassist was Keith Ferguson. Some cool swampy stuff in there.

Stringmaster
08-01-2006, 08:59 AM
Any love for the later 50's/early 60's Stratotones? I don't know the model numbers, but talking about the ones with bolt on necks, two pickups, 4 knobs, semi-hollow (I think)--usually black?
DD

jetlag
08-01-2006, 09:11 AM
Strato - I would first try putting the middle pu on your lower tone knob so that it controls both the middle and back pickups. Having it in the circuit loading down that middle pickup will darken it's tone even with the tone all the open. Me personally, I really like the middle hardwired for to get that thin razor blade sound there - but that's a matter of taste and individual guitars/pickups/etc. That blender sounds cool and I've thought about it several times - if I were willing to give up independent tone controls for the front and back pup, I'd go for that. But I'm not.

mikelaw
08-01-2006, 10:13 AM
duke has an early 60s strato i think. i dont think he likes it. :) bolt on strato's were the worst from what i hear. id like to try one out for myself one day. i dont think the pu's were great at all either.

TwoFeets
08-01-2006, 10:22 AM
duke has an early 60s strato i think. i dont think he likes it. :) bolt on strato's were the worst from what i hear. id like to try one out for myself one day. i dont think the pu's were great at all either.

I played one the other day and thought about buying it. It was cheap enough and it was in good shape. Played decently and all the electronics work. The bridge is wonky though. I think I just have an excessively heavy pick hand because I pop strings out of bridges like that. I ended up passing on it.

I saw the Rockin Highliners out of Canada a couple of years ago and both of their guitarists used the sunburst version to good effect.

aja
08-01-2006, 11:01 AM
Anyone shop for cd's on bluebeat ? I ordered 7 cd's friday and they were on my doorstep monday !! Their awesome !! I picked up Lets have a party
by roomful its a little more rockin' than their first and the sound quality
is better i think. Also got Ronnie earl with jimmie rogers whoa !! Blues in
D natural is unbelievable on that killer tone too.

fretshop
08-01-2006, 11:36 AM
Oh, which VanZandt's does NC have in his Strat? I've heard the guitar some too and I thought it sounded great. Of course, NC's no slouch on that thing himself though. And that killer Vibrolux doesn't hurt!

SC's '58 Strat: Van Zandt True Vintage Pickups with Fretshop replica harness. 6105 frets, and neck totally re-reliced.

mikelaw
08-01-2006, 11:50 AM
i cant wait till vincents thursday....it is gonna be a total hoot!!!!!!!

KBR
08-01-2006, 12:12 PM
I sell Van Zandts, since 1988 and like the True Vintage ones, with a stronger Bridge pup, like a Blues and have em wired Master Vol/Master Tone like a Tele. Bottom pot is a dummy pot.

KBR

Scott Miller
08-01-2006, 12:22 PM
"Anyone shop for cd's on bluebeat?"

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!

Yes, the folks here have been known to binge on BlueBeat now and then. I forget who put it best, something like: "I was like a beast devouring everything in sight!"

aja
08-01-2006, 01:28 PM
Yea binge is right. I was like a fat chick on ben and jerry's when I got them lol.

TwoFeets
08-01-2006, 02:05 PM
There's a local guy who's really just getting into this sort of music and I turned him on to Charlie Lange and Bluebeat a couple of weeks ago. I ran into him and he looked like the cat that just caught the bird. I think he spent $300 there on his first phone call.

dukeh62
08-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Hey Guys,

On vacation this week, so I'm not posting as much.

Anyway...really looking forward to seeing Fretshop, mike, ryan, aja and Nick on thursday. Fret..so nice of you to make the trip. Looking forward to hanging!

Here are some pics fretshop wanted me to post:

http://strategiesmag.infopop.cc/Anson - George - Duke 10 - 04 RI.jpg
http://strategiesmag.infopop.cc/Anson-GeorgeInst2.jpg

George wrote: The No-Caster is mine, the Strat is a replica of Anson’s ’57. The Louis amp is a prototype that is now available on special order only. That amp saw a lot of use at the Crossroads Festival in Dallas. We got that one back UPS air, the cabinetry totally destroyed and the chassis damaged.

fretshop
08-01-2006, 03:12 PM
I sell Van Zandts, since 1988 and like the True Vintage ones, with a stronger Bridge pup, like a Blues and have em wired Master Vol/Master Tone like a Tele. Bottom pot is a dummy pot.

KBR

I have J.D. do some tricks to the ones I sell here. I stopped using the Blues (VERY good pickup BTW), for the bridge, and have him wind one pickup of the set hotter. You can also de-Gauss the mags a tiny bit and get a very sweet Buddy Guy tone kinda like his Vanguard release "A Man And The Blues".

What did you do with the 60's Band Master head that Kurt Emery modded for you? It must be five-six years ago, you played it over the phone for me with a 1 x 15 cabinet and a Weber Cali 15. sounded great.

TwoFeets
08-01-2006, 03:47 PM
About 5 or 6 years ago I walked into an out-of-the way guitar shop down here and asked to see a set of used Strat pickups they had in the case with a bunch of other parts. They had no idea what they were. They were a very early set of VZ True Vintage (before they called them True Vintage). I bought the set for $25 and flipped them on Ebay shortly thereafter. Never did get to hear what they sounded like though.

Dave Orban
08-01-2006, 04:11 PM
There are apparently a couple new WILLIAM CLARKE cd's available.

WILLIAM CLARKE THE EARLY YEARS VOLs. 1 and 2.

They're on E-Bay, or you can also buy directly from Bill's widow, Jeannette Lodovici, at JLodovici@aol.com (http://webmail.atl.earthlink.net/wam/MsgReply?msgid=30191&action=reply&style=any&title=Reply&x=-1747311751) .

FYI

Poppa Stoppa
08-01-2006, 04:49 PM
What chord does JB Lenoir play for that whole chorus on "Talk To Your Daughter"?Try tuning to open A or G and tell me if this chord sounds right (use a capo to get it in the correct pitch):
--3
--3
--0
--0
--x
--x

Low to high, should be 5, R, 5, 7.

Poppa Stoppa
08-01-2006, 05:15 PM
Re Strats, I have one that I hooked up the bridge pickup to the bottom tone control so it does both middle & bridge p/u, like several others have described - does a good job. I put one of those plates under the bridge p/u too but couldn't tell any difference in tone.

I have another that is built out of parts. I put in a wiring I got out of Guitar Player that uses the top control as master vol, bottom as master tone, and middle as a blend. Without the blend you get all the standard Strat tones, and with it you get four new tones - two out of phase combinations and two series pickup combinations. The latter two are VERY fat, rich and far more powerful - a real head-turner for other Strat players. Like positions 2 and 4 on steroids. Anybody else tried this? It's definitely a worthwhile mod, just wires, no changes to the guitar itself.

Also, anyone notice Little Henry's genuine out of phase tones on his Strat that he plays with the Flyers?

Crocodile Andre
08-01-2006, 07:01 PM
Anyone shop for cd's on bluebeat ? I ordered 7 cd's friday and they were on my doorstep monday !! Their awesome !! I picked up Lets have a party
by roomful its a little more rockin' than their first and the sound quality
is better i think. Also got Ronnie earl with jimmie rogers whoa !! Blues in
D natural is unbelievable on that killer tone too.

I've ordered stuff from Bluebeat and it's got all the way here down under with no problems at all.

About 9 months ago I managed to get Lets Have A Party on LP as it had not been released on cd at that stage. I then -after much stuffing around - managed to do a digital transfer onto cd. Not too long after I see that the band have decided to release the album onto cd. It's almost cosmic how that sort of thing works.

Has anybody got/heard the Live At Wolf Trap cd ?

Roomful Of Blues webpage is worth a look

http://www.roomful.com/

HappyValley
08-01-2006, 09:45 PM
i cant wait till vincents thursday....it is gonna be a total hoot!!!!!!!

Yessir, always a blast at 'Chez-Vincentes'.....I only wish I could remember all the great nites I've had there ! ( The beers there are pretty damn cold....)

In all seriousness, I haven't seen JB, Tim or Eric in so long, I'm looking forward to just hanging out with my bro's, let alone playing with 'em!

MikeLaw & Aja- let's talk some trash!!

valcotone
08-02-2006, 12:25 AM
Two-Feets, you mentioned the Rockin' Highliners... here's one of my favourite pics I took of a show they played back in 2000 in Edmonton. This is Clayton Sample with his Harmony Stratotone... this is one of the upscale models with the block-inlays, nicer woods, and DeArmond gold foil pickup. He played this through a Silvertone Twin Twelve head/cab and sounded really great in a trashy (to use the word of the day) sort of way.

http://www.kilback.net/pics/highliners1.jpg

Strat-O
08-02-2006, 12:49 AM
An upscale model Stratotone. I know what you mean, but that cracked me up!

Could some of you fellas throw out some guitar amp miking ideas for the studio. How have you gotten the most natural sounding, old school, guitar tone in the studio? Any hot tips? Cool ideas? Inside track from one of the greats?

Mr Moto
08-02-2006, 02:09 AM
Anyone here got a good stock es5 schematic or photos of their wiring??
I'm rewiring an Epi Zephyr Blue Deluxe and want to make it as painless as possible!

Mr Moto
08-02-2006, 02:23 AM
Hey thats some snazzy neck tie Dukes wearin'.

Poppa Stoppa
08-02-2006, 05:31 AM
Anyone here got a good stock es5 schematic or photos of their wiring??
I'm rewiring an Epi Zephyr Blue Deluxe and want to make it as painless as possible!Some time ago Fretshop made a comment about wiring the out-of-phase pickups in series. There was a link to a website but I couldn't find the info there. Bearing in mind my recent post about how good in-series Strat pickups sound, I'd be interested to see how that would work on an ES5/ZBD for the T-Bone tone.

mikelaw
08-02-2006, 07:31 AM
i am not one of the greats, but for amp studio miking (or any instrument miking) i say less is more. turn the amp up as far as you like the breakup then have someone else play it and put your ear in different spots..cover the other ear! (unless youll be using a stereo mic). put your head on the amp, behind it, above it, below it, 2 feet in front of it...etc.

because wherever your volume is that you like the break will sound totally different mic'd up. meaning a cranked amp may sound great mic'd about 4 feet out front. turn that amp down and it may sound thin. i say dial in the tone/volume...LEAVE IT, ...... THEN!!! mic it.

fretshop
08-02-2006, 07:44 AM
Some time ago Fretshop made a comment about wiring the out-of-phase pickups in series. There was a link to a website but I couldn't find the info there. Bearing in mind my recent post about how good in-series Strat pickups sound, I'd be interested to see how that would work on an ES5/ZBD for the T-Bone tone.

www.deaf-eddie.net (http://www.deaf-eddie.net)

On Strats and Teles you can use the Oak Grigsby 5 way "Super Switch" which is available through Allparts. Eddie has all the wiring diagrams on his site.

Tele type guitars : I thought it would be best not to post the soldering directions for the foloowing mod on the thread. If you're interested, e-mail me. Basically, what we're doing is isolating the tone pot from the switch, which may reduce some of the tone dampening you hear when rolling off the volume control. That dampening effect can play havoc with out of phase tone, expecially the IN Series O-O-P option. I use the simple wiring change for players who don't like treble bleed cap mods.

zappafrank
08-02-2006, 07:58 AM
strat-o---sounds like all the 'guys' have got you covered on the PW strat wiring possibilities---i'll email you later re: the Clark w/ a 15"---
Now---GET US SOME PICS OF THE PEE WEE, DAMMIT!!!!

Dave O.----Thanks for the heads up on the W. Clarke reissue stuff w/ some extra tracks---payday is Friday!!

RIP Floyd Dixon---

wish I could be at some of these east coast gatherings!!

there's a gold H44 Harmony on ebay that could use some TLC, fyi---

just waiting on my joel foy wrap tele pups from Don Mare, then I can have the parts-o-tele- all assembled---the Guitarmill body turned out fantastic!--will need a slight trimming on the neck heel to fit the pocket and the bakelite guard---the allparts heel is just a tad oversized--no problemo, tho---looking forward to it!

oh yeah---bluebeat and charlie have broken me a coupla times!

ac

Dave Orban
08-02-2006, 08:37 AM
...just waiting on my joel foy wrap tele pups from Don Mare, then I can have the parts-o-tele- all assembled---the Guitarmill body turned out fantastic!--will need a slight trimming on the neck heel to fit the pocket and the bakelite guard---the allparts heel is just a tad oversized--no problemo, tho---looking forward to it!


acI've got a set of the Foy wraps heading my way, too...

All I need now is a body to put 'em in...! LOL!

BTW, did you have Guitarmill do the finish on the body, too...?

jetlag
08-02-2006, 09:19 AM
Strato - besides the obvious mic on the amp thing: If you are going for that natural sounding, old school tone, you pretty much need to room mic the amp in one way or the other. This method requires a good sounding room (no carpet on walls etc) and it also requires that you don't screw up very much (no or only minor mixing fixes). The idea is to bleed all over the drum mics. Then when you blend in the guitar amp direct mic with that, you get a great overall sound. If the drums have to be isolated, then you can put some overhead mics up in the room to catch the whole room sound and assign that to two tracks and mix them in to suit. If you do that, it's really best to use tiny guitar amps so you don't dominate the "room mic" mix too much.

If your amp is in an iso-room, hopefully it is a bigger room that sounds good. Then go with the one close mic and then one up maybe 4 to 6 feet in the air, several feet away. Stand in the room playing, see where it sounds really good, and put a mic right there, right about where your ears are. Then check how it sounds in the control room and play around with it. Your blend between close mic and room mic will give you an effect and is a means to vary your tone on the record from real dry up in your face to real deep, ambient. You hear harp players like Wilson do that all the time in the studio. Pretty cool stuff.

Inside track from one of the greats: I could quote one that I spoke with recently as saying "then they isolated the drums and there went my guitar tone." The same guitar great also recommended the smallest amp (preferably a single output tube) and a tiny speaker (like a 6" or 8", mabye a 6"x9"), saying that tiny speaker usually sound huge on tape.

Inside track from one of our brethren who's great in my booK: The room ambience overhead mics idea is courtesy of Pete Kanaras. The beauty of it is you can take it or leave when mixing unlike the drum overheads. When I recorded with Pete, he used a bigger looking flat, almost rectangular ribbon-mic looking thing (condenser mic??) standing up in front of his amp as opposed to the typical 57 pointing in at the amp face. You'd have to ask him what that was. Sometimes people mic the front and the back back of open back amps and assign that to individual tracks. Then you choose which direct mic track blends better with the overall mix ( "mix" meaning the tracks that the guitar bleeds all over - beit drums and/or room overhead mics). I guess it's a phasing thing.

Hope that helps.

valcotone
08-02-2006, 10:00 AM
Damn, I love this thread. Every time I login to check the recent posts I learn something. One more thing on recording decent electric archtop guitar tones (I think Duke mentioned this recently) is to mic the amp (of course) but also put a mic on the guitar as well... this way you can mix in some of the natural acoustic string attack. I hear this on older recordings where I assume it's the vocal mic picking this up, but also on more recent stuff too - Teddy Morgan's Ridin' In Style is one good example (I think, but I could be hearing things)!

I have my 52RI Tele wired up with the Fretshop/Deaf-Eddie 5-way mod... position 2 is series in-phase and position 4 is series out-of-phase. I find 4 is really useful since you get the cool OOP tones but with more grunt since they are in series, but pos 2 to me is too dark and muddy - it's more like a humbucker setting but I'm learning that I don't play nice with 'buckers so take that for what it's worth. Also, my neck pup is a Gibson P94 which is a P90 style pup in a bucker size shell.

The original wiring schematic for the ES-5 has the volume pots wired with the wiper going to the pickup and the output from the top of the pot. This is so you still get output with one or two of the volumes rolled all the way down... (I tried to post the schematic I have but my software wasn't cooperating).

mikelaw
08-02-2006, 10:15 AM
Anyone Know Where I Can Get A 5e5-a?

TwoFeets
08-02-2006, 10:25 AM
Anyone Know Where I Can Get A 5e5-a?

Buy from one of our own if he hasn't sold it yet! Rickyking has a Clark Penrose 5E5-A for sale in the Emporium.

valcotone
08-02-2006, 10:25 AM
ok, here it is...

http://www.kilback.net/pics/GibsonES-5.jpg

TwoFeets
08-02-2006, 10:40 AM
Speaking of Emporium, I've got a few things to put up there but I figured I'd toss 'em here first.

Squier '51 in blonde with black guard. Great condition, played very minimally. Bone stock except setup with 11's and the frets have been tidied up so that you don't slice your hand open. $120 includes shipping and gig bag.

Weber Mini Mass 50 Brand new, used once. Switchable impedance and has true bypass. Great for tweed Pro, Super, Bandmaster, etc. $80 includes shipping.

Fatdog Gene V yep, selling this one too. Basically a ES350/L5 copy with a 3.5" deep body. The wiring's been upgraded and it has a push-pull for OOP. Pickups are Duncan Antiquity P90's with a hotter wind at the bridge. Flamed laminated maple back and sides, lamy spruce top. Gotoh locking tuners, faux Bigsby, tune-a-matic bridge. Plays and sounds great; there isn't an Epi out there that can even come close. I'd like to get $750 for it which includes shipping.

KBR
08-02-2006, 10:42 AM
George,
I sold that Moded Bandmaster head, along time ago. It was a cloned 5F6-A, with a BM OPT, when Kurt got thru. I liked it but am always tryin something else. How does one de gauss the magnets of Van Zandts?

Re: The William Clarke old cds, I recorded with Big Bill when I worked with him in 79, It was at the Old Crown Studios in LA on Normandie in a Big ol 2 Track studio, BB King cut a bunch of stuff there in the OLD days.
I never got credit from the Hittin Heavy album, but can hear some of my Rhythm Guitar on the record and definately Hollywood Fats on the Leads.
William Clarke is still one of my Favorite Harp Players of all Time and He got me a Gig with Smokey Wilson and Shakey Jake Harris, after working with Bill for a year or so.
We tipped quite a few Old English 800's together.
When working with Smokey, I got to back up, Pee Wee Crayton, Big Joe Turner. Big Mama Thorton, and a whole lot of Blues People.
Kenny Blue Ray

Strat-O
08-02-2006, 10:44 AM
Jet - Thank you for the ideas and suggestions.

I've seen where Junior Watson puts an SM57 pointing at the edge of the cone on his tweed Pro. Anybody else seen him do this? Anybody have any hot tips on Juniors favorite recording amps and mics? Like the setups for 'Lost in America', 'Nickels and Dimes', or 'Come and Get It'? Those are some of my favorite modern guitar sounds on record.

fretshop
08-02-2006, 11:45 AM
Posted by Sean Kilback:

I have my 52RI Tele wired up with the Fretshop/Deaf-Eddie 5-way mod... position 2 is series in-phase and position 4 is series out-of-phase. I find 4 is really useful since you get the cool OOP tones but with more grunt since they are in series, but pos 2 to me is too dark and muddy - it's more like a humbucker setting but I'm learning that I don't play nice with 'buckers so take that for what it's worth. Also, my neck pup is a Gibson P94 which is a P90 style pup in a bucker size shell.

The original wiring schematic for the ES-5 has the volume pots wired with the wiper going to the pickup and the output from the top of the pot. This is so you still get output with one or two of the volumes rolled all the way down... (I tried to post the schematic I have but my software wasn't cooperating).[/quote]

Yeah Sean, I have a hand drawn to scale ES-5 wiring diagram which won't post either. Let's see...All the pots should be 500 K Audio, and the harness fabricated from Lenzite outside braided single conductor wire. Allparts and Stew Mac sell it. The harness has to be wired the way you described or else it just won't work. The cap on the harness I had here is the same paper and wax axial lead .022mf that was on the early gold top LP's.

I am looking for that real whorey, cheesey looking yellow and brown Tiger stripe pick guard material that was used on the old Silvertone 151 (Jimmy Reed guitar), and on alot of the Jap import axes. If any one locates it, or knows where we can get it in sheets, please let me know. Thanks

Dave Orban
08-02-2006, 11:47 AM
I am looking for that real whorey, cheesey looking yellow and brown Tiger stripe pick guard material that was used on the old Silvertone 151 (Jimmy Reed guitar), and on alot of the Jap import axes. If any one locates it, or knows where we can get it in sheets, please let me know. ThanksLuthiers Mercantile might have something...

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/Secondproducthead.asp?CategoryName=Pickguard+Mater ial

Strat-O
08-02-2006, 11:50 AM
Try www.pickguardian.com (http://www.pickguardian.com)

They used to have some crazy looking tortoise patterns. There's a photo of one on the archtop page...

fretshop
08-02-2006, 01:08 PM
The stuff I'm looking for is a mild ambery yellow with something like tiger stripes running through it...D'angelico also used it. got a sheet of it in nitro from Japan, but it disintegrated...crumbled.

Dave Orban
08-02-2006, 01:15 PM
The stuff I'm looking for is a mild ambery yellow with something like tiger stripes running through it...D'angelico also used it. got a sheet of it in nitro from Japan, but it disintegrated...crumbled.

Did you look at the Tor-Tis stuff at LMII...? Some of it sounds like what you've described, and looks pretty decent...

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=Pickguard+Material&NameProdHeader=Tor%2DTis%99+Pickguards

mikelaw
08-02-2006, 03:20 PM
ricky//// anyone else.... anyone going to nick moss/janiva magness at harrys saturday night? laura and i were gonna come out but hotels are jammed out there. we may have to rockstar it and sleep in the camry!
:)

fretshop
08-02-2006, 03:39 PM
ricky//// anyone else.... anyone going to nick moss/janiva magness at harrys saturday night? laura and i were gonna come out but hotels are jammed out there. we may have to rockstar it and sleep in the camry!
:)

I really Love Harry's !!! Here's where we stayed in Hyannis: The Cape Cod Inn. 508-775-3333 or 617-823-3219. I think it was like $120 per night last week. Not bad for Hyannis....it's a five minute walk to the club.

mikelaw
08-02-2006, 03:42 PM
i tried em all george. thanks tho. cya tomorrow night!

rhartt1234
08-02-2006, 07:38 PM
Alright all you hipsters. You all talk a good talk with obsessing over you're windings this and wiring diagrams that and what Watson had for breakfast the morning of that "Ohne Filter" show in Germany.
Here's a cat doing it for real!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929684751749233
It'll make you all rethink your approach to music.

HappyValley
08-02-2006, 07:58 PM
Alright all you hipsters. You all talk a good talk with obsessing over you're windings this and wiring diagrams that and what Watson had for breakfast the morning of that "Ohne Filter" show in Germany.
Here's a cat doing it for real!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929684751749233
It'll make you all rethink your approach to music.


Classic....simply, classic..LOL+++++++:dude

Dave Orban
08-02-2006, 08:00 PM
The promoter took one look at that clip and said...











"Book 'em, Dano...!"

mikelaw
08-02-2006, 08:34 PM
then the promoter looked at the guy playing hawaii five o on his hands (which were covered in puke and fesces and blood and gizz) and said WOW. whats the name of your act????

to which the 'manualist' replied....

THE ARISTOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!

HappyValley
08-02-2006, 09:06 PM
then the promoter looked at the guy playing hawaii five o on his hands (which were covered in puke and fesces and blood and gizz) and said WOW. whats the name of your act????

to which the 'manualist' replied....

THE ARISTOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU'RE SICK!!! :jo S-I-C-K!!!!

Strat-O
08-02-2006, 09:41 PM
I am truly humbled.

TwoFeets
08-02-2006, 10:04 PM
Too bad I didn't get to record it for youtube, but when I read Mike's last post I groaned in five different octaves.

Mr Moto
08-02-2006, 11:16 PM
I think his hands are wired out of phase.

mikelaw
08-03-2006, 07:40 AM
you guys should see the movie the aristocrats! it is pure genius. right eric? lmao!!!!!!!!

TwoFeets
08-03-2006, 09:31 AM
Hey fretshop - have you guys tried RS Guitarworks new "Super Potentiometers?"

mikelaw
08-03-2006, 02:10 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/1960-Magnatone-Custom-280-Guitar-Amp-30w-Buddy-Holly_W0QQitemZ170012620355QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1211 61QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Poppa Stoppa
08-03-2006, 02:54 PM
'Unique' doesn't do justice to that grill cloth.

Strat-O
08-03-2006, 08:58 PM
Heh, I saw that earlier this week. I'm a Magnatone luva. I've got two that I play anytime they'll fit the gig. Mine are just 20 watters and are more than enough. That grill cloth is crazy though. I'm gettin' high just looking at it!

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 08:19 AM
adams!!! (and everyone else) go rent this tonight!

http://allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:318685~T2

Dave Orban
08-04-2006, 08:35 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/1960-Magnatone-Custom-280-Guitar-Amp-30w-Buddy-Holly_W0QQitemZ170012620355QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1211 61QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemWOW...! :messedup


I actually put grill cloth that looked a LOT like that on my Silvertone 1484, back in the day... LOL!

sideman
08-04-2006, 09:03 AM
Mike - what's up with you and this repetitive hyping of the Aristocrats? (I've seen it and didn't like it).

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 09:23 AM
u must not be human if you didnt like it. is there a hole in the old soul?

um, i am telling people about it because nick adams showed an interest in it and i know he will LOVE it. also because i think others will like it too.

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 09:51 AM
i guess nick and eric and ryan are still sleeping??? anyone have any photos from last night to post? what an amazing night! wow. jersey george, duke, ryan, alec, backalley nick adams, ....holy cow.

pickaguitar
08-04-2006, 09:52 AM
Do you all personally know each other?

What is this thread? about? for?

Don't flame me...just curious


Jason

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 10:39 AM
check this out jason.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:85

nmontz
08-04-2006, 10:46 AM
The west coast thread started on the fdp years ago and there are thousands of posts, you can still go read through it. After some silly problem with talking about an amp, Duke62 moved it to the gear page. That thread was lost during a server crash or something...this is the second thread started when that one was lost. Most of us do know eachother or of eachother, sometimes it's a one or two degree separation thing. But truthfully there aren't very many of us playing and listening to real deal stuff so we kind of are like one big family....I personally have learned a lot about what gear gets the sound, cool music, information on who is playing with what or who, who was on what session, what new cd's or reissues cd's are comming out, video clips, concert reviews, guitar and amp tech support, mini guitar lessons....ect. It's like a newspaper for our kind of music, along with a place we can all stay in touch....miss a day and you miss alot. I would start by reading the fdp thread....there is a lot of good info on there...too bad that the one thread was lost.

Dave Orban
08-04-2006, 10:50 AM
I've been exposed to a LOT of great performers -- both older guys and contemporary players -- from these threads. Hey, I check in several times a day, 'cause you never know what might show up...! LOL!

aja
08-04-2006, 10:55 AM
Yea that was great last night. Nick adams is truly one of the best around
for sure. It was fun listening and watching. I wish their was a recorder or
camcorder going last night.

Strat-O
08-04-2006, 11:05 AM
I deny all knowledge of or about the people associated with this thread. I didn't see anything! Complete denial! What place?

dukeh62
08-04-2006, 11:24 AM
Hey everybody,

Wow, what an incredible night of music last night at Vincent's in Worcester, MA. I think we had the biggest gathering of board members in one spot! Everyone sounded fantastic, and it was a blast getting to hang. I wish you ALL could have been here.

Here's some pics of the filthy mess that went down... (http://web.mac.com/ericducoff/iWeb/Site%205/Vincent%27s%208.4.06.html)

Dave Orban
08-04-2006, 11:29 AM
Hey everybody,

Wow, what an incredible night of music last night at Vincent's in Worcester, MA. I think we had the biggest gathering of board members in one spot! Everyone sounded fantastic, and it was a blast getting to hang. I wish you ALL could have been here.

Here's some pics of the filthy mess that went down... (http://web.mac.com/ericducoff/iWeb/Site%205/Vincent%27s%208.4.06.html)That ES-5 is KILLING me...!

http://web.mac.com/ericducoff/iWeb/Site%205/Vincent%27s%208.4.06_files/IMG_2706.jpg

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 11:42 AM
why didnt you post any 'billy blue' photos???

ps---love the program you used to upload the photos....that is SOOOO slick man!!!!!!

aja
08-04-2006, 01:10 PM
great , just freakin' great pics dukeH62
Your Es-5 was sweeet too Backalley thanks again for letting me play it.

Poppa Stoppa
08-04-2006, 01:13 PM
Oh man those are cool photos! Looks like you had a great evening! Wish I coulda been there.

(Like I said, I spent some time in Worcester myself way back - all I remember was the best beer bar ever, called the Boynton, with a hole in the wall thro to the pizza joint next door...I imagine it's all changed)

In response to Jason's question, if you like retro tones, P90s, the roar of old amps, archtops, drummers that can shuffle and swing, Chess/Chicago blues, jump blues, amplified harp, modern players like Junior Watson, Hollywood Fats, Kid Ramos, Kim Wilson, Jimmie Vaughan, Anson Funderburgh, Little Charlie, Duke Robillard, Ronnie Earl, that's what the guys on this thread like and there's some great information gets exchanged (and no flaming). If that's your bag, jump in.

TwoFeets
08-04-2006, 01:31 PM
Hey everybody,

Wow, what an incredible night of music last night at Vincent's in Worcester, MA. I think we had the biggest gathering of board members in one spot! Everyone sounded fantastic, and it was a blast getting to hang. I wish you ALL could have been here.

Here's some pics of the filthy mess that went down... (http://web.mac.com/ericducoff/iWeb/Site%205/Vincent%27s%208.4.06.html)

Great pics!

Looks like a great time was had by all. Wish I coulda been there!

Scott Miller
08-04-2006, 01:51 PM
Check this out: Live Reggae with Rusty Zinn and the Montegos:

http://www.poorhousebistro.com/

Woot! I am so extremely there...

zappafrank
08-04-2006, 02:48 PM
Hi guys---great description of what this threads all about---I think I'm the lone Portland, Oregon guy here...those pics REALLY make me want to make a trip to the Northeast---
I got to play w/ Paris Slim last night---he had a really cool CHEAP guitar that might be just the ticket for someone here looking for some p90 tone---he paid $260.00 bucks Brand New---I'll post a link---it's like a 335 copy (set neck w/ a block inside, but w/ 2 p90s---it was SHARP!---he played throgh a silvertone Twin Twelve head with a 1-12" closed back cab of some unknown brand---cool set up, I got to say---I played the Goldtop RI through a friend's BF Princeton---It was fun to just 'sit in' and kick it--

Those pics are very cool---wish I was there---nice to put a face to fretshop and aja---you guys will be seeing pics of me soon enough---just knw in advance that I'm hittin' the gym EVERYDAY since I've seen them---so the pounds are slowly coming off! LOL!

Still waiting for the Joel Foy wraps so I can put together this part-so-caster---should be cool---but I've seen Dave O's and straightblues teles, and THOSE are cool!

Strat-O---did you get my last response in your PM?

Dave O.---you WILL be very happy w/ a Guitarmill body---I got a 2pc lightweight swamp ash---off center cut so the bridge is all on one piece of wood---

ac

zappafrank
08-04-2006, 03:06 PM
Figures---I try to find a pic of that guitar Slim was playing, and I guess they dont offer it any more---closest thing by same company now looks like this:
http://www.rondomusic.net/harm1hc.html

But imagine this layout with 6-strings and p90s and an ambered flame maple top w/ a clear pickguard, and it's much closer---:

http://www.rondomusic.net/as820nat12stg.html

ac

Strat-O
08-04-2006, 03:18 PM
Looks like Rusty's gone the Macka Spliff route. The 'Red Stripe Girls' will be there, that can't be all bad.

Dave Orban
08-04-2006, 06:24 PM
Figures---I try to find a pic of that guitar Slim was playing, and I guess they dont offer it any more---closest thing by same company now looks like this:
http://www.rondomusic.net/harm1hc.html

But imagine this layout with 6-strings and p90s and an ambered flame maple top w/ a clear pickguard, and it's much closer---:

http://www.rondomusic.net/as820nat12stg.html

acHow can they sell those things that cheaply...?!?

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:32 PM
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/1102/8306vincents049zk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:34 PM
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6684/8306vincents014ky0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:35 PM
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9537/8306vincents066oj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:36 PM
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6418/8306vincents054uq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:38 PM
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8696/8306vincents063qv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikelaw
08-04-2006, 06:42 PM
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7780/8306vincents050pw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

dukeh62
08-04-2006, 06:52 PM
Figures---I try to find a pic of that guitar Slim was playing, and I guess they dont offer it any more---closest thing by same company now looks like this:
http://www.rondomusic.net/harm1hc.html

But imagine this layout with 6-strings and p90s and an ambered flame maple top w/ a clear pickguard, and it's much closer---:

http://www.rondomusic.net/as820nat12stg.html

ac

That exact guitar is reviewed in the latest issue of Guitar Player. In short, they said it's a great guitar for the money, but said the pickups are garbage and noisy. Easisly swapped out though.

valcotone
08-04-2006, 08:37 PM
DAMN!!! Guys, looks like you all had a fab-u-lous night! Would have loved to kicked back with a beer and listened to the tunes you were puttin' forth. Quite the gearfest too! :crazy Great pics Duke & Mike, thanks for sharing.

sideman
08-04-2006, 09:46 PM
You guys have seen this Kid Ramos clip?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NSZ3kxi0jlU

sideman
08-04-2006, 09:49 PM
This one may have better chops:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-3ZjDPTJgQ&mode=related&search=

groove_king
08-05-2006, 12:19 AM
Damn, you guys suck! :D

Look's like y'all had a great night. Please spare a thought for all of us living in cultural wastelands!

A quick gear question: Nick, where'd you get the ES-5 ukelele? :D

rhartt1234
08-05-2006, 07:57 AM
A quick gear question: Nick, where'd you get the ES-5 ukelele? :D

You should see him with a Stratotone! Looks like he's playing a hairbrush!

rhartt1234
08-05-2006, 09:30 AM
Is Nick amazed or disgusted by my guitar playing?
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/rhartt1234/NickMikeRyan.jpg
That's actually the exact response I try to get from my audience.

JiMB
08-05-2006, 10:37 AM
You guys have seen this Kid Ramos clip?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NSZ3kxi0jlU

I saw him in Hermosa a few weeks ago. I love watching him play. Is that a CS Strat he's playin'?

straightblues
08-05-2006, 10:50 AM
Anyone using flatwound strings? If so which brand? Also, which brands should I avoid?

How does the Skip Simmons PA amp sound? I have a couple of Bogen PA amps that sound pretty good. I was thinking of sending them to Skip for some tweaking. I have heard good things about his work but have never heard one of his conversions live.

HappyValley
08-05-2006, 11:01 AM
Hey Guys- What a blast the other nite- everyone sounded killer!
Ry- I actually was in AWE of the stuff you were coming up with, man! Seriously I had no idea you had so much guitar chops up your sleeve! (That picture is hysterical.)
Ok, I'll admit it - I had just 'sharted' at the moment the picture was shot.....

dukeh62
08-05-2006, 11:53 AM
Anyone using flatwound strings? If so which brand? Also, which brands should I avoid?

How does the Skip Simmons PA amp sound? I have a couple of Bogen PA amps that sound pretty good. I was thinking of sending them to Skip for some tweaking. I have heard good things about his work but have never heard one of his conversions live.

Skip is a wizard with PA amps. That Dukane in the picture is only 12 watts w/ 6V6's, so it was a little underpowered that night. But for recording it sounds HUGE. I have a 25 watt Masco he made for me which is one of the best amps I've ever heard. He's a great guy that stands behind his work, too.

TwoFeets
08-05-2006, 11:53 AM
Anyone using flatwound strings? If so which brand? Also, which brands should I avoid?

How does the Skip Simmons PA amp sound? I have a couple of Bogen PA amps that sound pretty good. I was thinking of sending them to Skip for some tweaking. I have heard good things about his work but have never heard one of his conversions live.

I talked to Skip not all that long ago and he said that he had stopped doing conversions of other peoples' gear and was only selling ones he had chosen and modified on his own out of his own stock. He said not all of them make great amps and he was also getting a lot in that had hack mods and repairs done to them. I'm not sure if that's still the case.

mikelaw
08-05-2006, 11:59 AM
that is funny ryan/nick. hilarious. nick looks amazed....joking. :) u always sound good ryan!

i just watched some video clips from that night and it was really dark in there, but great clips that ill have forever! i tried emailing the mpeg around to you guys but i think it was too large to send. :( oh well.

mikelaw
08-05-2006, 12:04 PM
i am trying to upload a clip to youtube now.

mikelaw
08-05-2006, 12:31 PM
this is so awful.....i apologize in advance. but desperate times deserve desperate measures.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lrUsLHAl6lY

HappyValley
08-05-2006, 03:51 PM
this is so awful.....i apologize in advance. but desperate times deserve desperate measures.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lrUsLHAl6lY



And to think , that was the 1st song of the nite.......EGADS, MAN!! Nothing like a tonal onslaught to get the party started. Can't believe the combined wattage of Eric & I's amps are probably 22w RMS......!

zappafrank
08-05-2006, 04:03 PM
Hey Mike---thanks for that!---Nick sounds great---er, or whoever is playing that VERY Watson-esque solo at the last---cool melodies, man--

Plus, it led me to those other vids w/ Ry and Eric---Eric---what the hell amp are you blazing through? sounds great!---And ry, yer singi'n on True love reminds me of Hummel, and the harp intro reminds me of Piazza...most excellent---
Wish we had an upright guy aroound P-town that was worth a s**t for this style of blues---we have some pretty 'limp-wristed' cats that attempt it, and the GOOD ones are all into Rockabilly--oh well--

Played a semi-classy joint (old hotel bar) last night---decent gig, no smoking---(love that!) with the Clark/Premier setup and the 'Mary Kay' strat and g-top RI---a good night, for once--think I'll put in the 6V6's in the Clark tonite, though---might get closer to Eric's tone!

Thanks loads for the vids
ac

mikelaw
08-05-2006, 04:18 PM
nick is on the left, eric on the right. the footage is just awful, but i still love it! :) they are the best.

HappyValley
08-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Hey Mike---thanks for that!---Nick sounds great---er, or whoever is playing that VERY Watson-esque solo at the last---cool melodies, man--

Plus, it led me to those other vids w/ Ry and Eric---Eric---what the hell amp are you blazing through? sounds great!---And ry, yer singi'n on True love reminds me of Hummel, and the harp intro reminds me of Piazza...most excellent---
Wish we had an upright guy aroound P-town that was worth a s**t for this style of blues---we have some pretty 'limp-wristed' cats that attempt it, and the GOOD ones are all into Rockabilly--oh well--

Played a semi-classy joint (old hotel bar) last night---decent gig, no smoking---(love that!) with the Clark/Premier setup and the 'Mary Kay' strat and g-top RI---a good night, for once--think I'll put in the 6V6's in the Clark tonite, though---might get closer to Eric's tone!

Thanks loads for the vids
ac


ZF- Thanks man......I just wanna say that the best thing about that night beyond the music was the chance to play with some of my favorite people/players around, true friends; JB , Tim & I go way back to the JB & the Activators/Troy Gonyea and the Premiers days at good ol' Gilrein's, and Ryan & Eric & I have been buds for quite some time as well .....My new bro's Mike Law, Fretshop & Aja showing up & playing was the icing on a badass mofo cake!!
P.S. Aja took one solo on a tune w/my ES-5 and sounded EXACTLY like Hollywood Fats on Harman's Live in '85..EXACTLY. We all gotta watch out for this kid, he's a promise of the future in this music, IMHO.
BTW, Zappa- Are you a New England guy?

dukeh62
08-05-2006, 06:25 PM
Zappa: That was a big 1x15 Airline amp on that Youtube clip. It's pretty wicked.

And yes...Nick Adams pretty much BECAME Junior Watson the other night. Scary. I was just trying to keep up!

And yes again...AJA (Alec James) is the bright young star for blues around these parts!

Poppa Stoppa
08-06-2006, 05:17 AM
this is so awful.....i apologize in advance. but desperate times deserve desperate measures.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lrUsLHAl6lY
That's not awful, it's fantastic! You guys got it all goin' on! YouTube takes the light out of clips but the music comes over loud & clear - that's the stuff I like! Great tones & playing!! Got any more Mike?

Poppa Stoppa
08-06-2006, 05:36 AM
Don't miss these great JLV clips from a guy in Denmark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MriFbndNvnw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K_GfyW2sQQQ

nc slim
08-06-2006, 09:11 AM
two little but essential questions What gauge strings did fats use??? What kind of pick??? do any of you taste tippers know??? Also I think watson uses pretty heavy action. The fats clip was cool w Muddy but there is one from Mid nite special w Witherspoon that someone must have or find it had him blowing wide open it it was in 76 I saw it on tv BB hosted it He had a gibson 175 I think. We should all look for this one


Anybody got a cray stratocaster I am about to get one for my son

TwoFeets
08-06-2006, 09:12 AM
George - I got your email. I replied to it and called your brother at the studio but haven't heard back. Call me on my cell today if you get a chance.

Strat-O
08-06-2006, 10:00 AM
Nice playing there from what looked like BackAlley. Nick, was that your Juke that you were playing through?

jetlag
08-06-2006, 12:21 PM
Mike, thanks for having the diligence to bring cameras, camcorders etc and going to the trouble to edit and post it. Not a trivial effort. Nice stuff guys, I really enjoyed it. Hope you all can post some other stuff too.

On Fats, what I've heard (from someone who played the guitar and played onstage with fats back in the day) is that Fats had pretty light strings on his 345 and that the guitar was a wreck. That being said, what was further added was that "fat's 345 was the loudest guitar I've ever heard" meaning, not just how much he had it turned up, but the guitar itself being really loud. To confuse things, the same guy said that Kurt Fletcher recently got to play fat's 345 and proclaimed it "about the same as any 345."

HappyValley
08-06-2006, 01:31 PM
Nice playing there from what looked like BackAlley. Nick, was that your Juke that you were playing through?

Thanks strat-o! That was a Pro Jr. & my '63 tank; It's a cool little amp for small room stuff.

RickyKing
08-06-2006, 03:21 PM
Hey lets try to get Vincents for a Wednesday night sometime so I can go...! :AOK
BTW I had my 1st night out w/newely aquired 57 Bandmaster and HOOOOWEEEE!

mikelaw
08-06-2006, 03:42 PM
thanks guys. bad video, great audio on my clip. nicks pro jr. was great....smokin loud and toneful. great stuff. curran told me he used one on all his solo cd's!!! awesome.

i am kickin myself for not taking more clips, i had another short one but it got deleted somehow. i am kickin myself for not taking clips at a few other local shows ive gone to that are stellar. i wont ever make that mistake again.

great JLV clips poppa. jimmie lee is my god. i think ill have a chance to meet him in a few weeks while hes on tour with dylan. i cant wait. im so nervous to meet him because he is god. ill be sure to take photos then if i DO meet him and maybe a little video from backstage too!?!?! well see.
(im keeping my fingers crossed) :)

Strat-O
08-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Yeah the Pro Jr does sound cool. I never would've guessed that's what it was though. Is that a reissue '63 tank?


Nobody ever mentions the tweed Deluxe much around here. Any of you guys use them for anything?

KBR
08-07-2006, 01:24 AM
When I worked w/ Bill Clarke in the late 70's, We went down to a Jam in Watts one Sunday & Fats was playin. After Clarke introduced me, Fats handed me his 345, It seemed like a regular one, and through his 59 Bassman and Reverb Tank, it sounded very good. I think it was a 60 or 61, It had PAFs, judging by the Tone.

Kenny Blue Ray

fretshop
08-07-2006, 06:47 AM
When I worked w/ Bill Clarke in the late 70's, We went down to a Jam in Watts one Sunday & Fats was playin. After Clarke introduced me, Fats handed me his 345, It seemed like a regular one, and through his 59 Bassman and Reverb Tank, it sounded very good. I think it was a 60 or 61, It had PAFs, judging by the Tone.

Kenny Blue Ray

I've owned and played some nice early 60's 345's. They are magic guitars, even though a little on the heavy side. I have a mint '63 that sounds great. When I took it apart for a good cleaning, alas.....a '60 harness with first run PAFs , (a striper in the neck position) !!. About twenty years ago, I traded my '54 gold top to a relative for the 345....so both axes are still in the family.

mikelaw
08-07-2006, 07:25 AM
well george, you sounded good the other night man! no comments about it???? see any other good shows in the weekend?

fretshop
08-07-2006, 07:48 AM
well george, you sounded good the other night man! no comments about it???? see any other good shows in the weekend?

Mike,

Yeah, I had an awesome time. Thanks for the compliment. I absolutely loved Eric's DuKane head and cabinet. Everyone played their hearts out. I especially enjoyed Ryan's T-Bone stuff and Alec's strumming on the ES-5. What can we say about Eric, Nick,and the rest of the group that hasn't already been posted...great musicians, all !! I went back to Vincent's the next day and took a bunch of photos of the outside and interior of the club.
Came down with a nasty virus on Friday which bugged me all day and evening on Saturday. I was not on top of my game that evening, and we had to leave Racky's show in Milford during the second set. We left early the next A.M. for home. Thank God Carol was with me for this trip. She did the driving all the way back to N.J. From what I heard on Saturday evening, Nick very ingeneuosly held everything together and had tone to the bone.

Eric or Strat-O: Can I send the photos for one of you to post, as this computer is blocked ?

I'm going home and back to bed at 12:00PM...ciao.

aja
08-07-2006, 08:15 AM
I think I see some of my nostril hair on that pic.

mikelaw
08-07-2006, 08:36 AM
i so want this!

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Custom-Shop-1960-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cutaway-VOS-Electric-Guitar?sku=517975

jetlag
08-07-2006, 09:41 AM
Nobody ever mentions the tweed Deluxe much around here. Any of you guys use them for anything?

Strato - I use a '58 deluxe at gigs all the time. They sound like a little tweed pro, maybe better. I really like the tone of the 2x6V6 gibsons in the studio or for a real low volume gig, but the deluxe is much more useful in gig environments. It just gets louder and has more low end than GA20's, GA6s etc. Plus it's alot more durable than those old gibsons. I use mine linked up to a bigger amp like a Pro or bandmaster with the reverb unit feeding both. With the two amps, you are assured of being able to get whatever tone you need at whatever volume. Perfect for harp backing - if you need that nasty Robert Jr stuff, turn down the big amp and crank the deluxe. Jump stuff wanting some headroom? Do the opposite. If you put a real efficient speaker like a celestion blue alnico in it and put the amp up on a chair, you can play a lot of small to medium gigs w/o anything else. Just point the amp at your vocal mic. When you solo, step away from the vocal mic and let the deluxe blast it. It works unbelievably well. I have a good friend in the DC area that can recone a P12N to be magic: as loud as a vox blue, but still sound like a Jensen. Some day I"ll talk him into reconing my P12N and all the forces in the universe will be aligned ............................

From what I hear, Rick Holmstrom has been using a tweed deluxe on a lotta gigs lately. Sounds like his rig changes around alot though. I also hear he lines out of a little single output tube amp into something like a Super Reverb with a 15 with great results. Speaking of Rick, I hear they are about to have their second child. Hope all goes well for them.

Birdseye
08-07-2006, 09:42 AM
i so want this!

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Custom-Shop-1960-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cutaway-VOS-Electric-Guitar?sku=517975
Yeah, that is very cool. Especially the "Lightweight aluminum finish".

:messedup

mikelaw
08-07-2006, 11:03 AM
super through a 15????? whhhhaaa , whhaaaa , what!?!?

Poppa Stoppa
08-07-2006, 11:03 AM
From what I hear, Rick Holmstrom has been using a tweed deluxe on a lotta gigs lately...I also hear he lines out of a little single output tube amp into something like a Super Reverb with a 15 with great results...
The guy that fixes my amps put a resistor of some sort into the second speaker output on my '60 tweed deluxe to create a line-level output - I'll post the spec if anyone's interested.

jetlag
08-07-2006, 11:59 AM
super through a 15????? whhhhaaa , whhaaaa , what!?!?

You take a little buzz box amp with the tone you like, line out the thing into the Super Reverb (or any other big amp) and he happens to run it with a 15". That's sort of his stage rig at times (I guess).

Scott Miller
08-07-2006, 12:06 PM
I saw Rusty Zinn's reggae band yesterday. He puts that voice of his to very good use on that stuff. Quite the romantic crooner. Chris Andersen sat in for a couple. Red Stripe girls hopped about in the trucked-in sand. A copacetic vibe, yes mon.

mikelaw
08-07-2006, 12:24 PM
red stripe rocks, i call it jamaican heineken because it tastes exactly like heineken! LOL

fretshop
08-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Eric : I checked with the winder. The pickup you're trying out is wound with #43 and full strength Alnico 5. It might be a tight fit in the stock tele plate....so don't force it. Call me before you install it.

TwoFeets
08-07-2006, 12:46 PM
Just got word that there's big blues happenin's in Atlanta this weekend -
Friday night Eddie Tigner's birthday bash at Fat Matt's Rib Shack followed by partyin' at the Northside Tavern, and then Saturday Night Felix and the Cats have the whole night at Northside.

dukeh62
08-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Eric : I checked with the winder. The pickup you're trying out is wound with #43 and full strength Alnico 5. It might be a tight fit in the stock tele plate....so don't force it. Call me before you install it.

Thanks George. I'll call you before I do anything!

jetlag
08-07-2006, 01:14 PM
Mike, You can run a load of at least 2 ohms or greater through a super. The 15" speaker will work. I don't know if I'd use it for my main rig, but it does work, and it sounds fine, not at all like a vibro verb. The impedence mis-match kinda works nicely. Does Mike Welch (remember Mike?) run a Pro Reverb with a 15 ? Maybe it was somebody else.

I wouldn't run an 8 ohm 15" speaker with a stock super reverb - the back wave might arc out the power tubes over time. Who knows what those guys are doing out on the left coast. They may have a twin/dual showman OT in there that, when running 2x6L6s, matches up perfectly ala vibroclones. Or maybe a 4 ohm 15" speaker being that a 100% msimatch won't hurt anything. But again, running 200% mismatch either way isn't something I'd recommend.

fretshop
08-07-2006, 01:49 PM
I wouldn't run an 8 ohm 15" speaker with a stock super reverb - the back wave might arc out the power tubes over time. Who knows what those guys are doing out on the left coast. They may have a twin/dual showman OT in there that, when running 2x6L6s, matches up perfectly ala vibroclones. Or maybe a 4 ohm 15" speaker being that a 100% msimatch won't hurt anything. But again, running 200% mismatch either way isn't something I'd recommend.

Karl, you're right...!! I just chatted with Lou, and he reminded me that most of those conversions we messed with were usually JBL series D 15's...all 4 ohms.

Strat-O
08-07-2006, 04:44 PM
Man, that sounds like one crazy rig. Who'da thunk it? Cool info Jankety.


Two Feets - Fat Matt told us about that stuff with Eddie that's happening this week. I may be able to make it out Thursday or Saturday, I've got a gig on Friday. Eddie is apparently getting an big award from the City of Atlanta.

Mr Moto
08-07-2006, 11:06 PM
Has anyone posted links to these 2...

Alex Schultz and Lester Butler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvdKV7vUN9A&mode=related&search=

and Michael "Hollywood Fats" Mann with Muddy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9U3jJqAXMU

zappafrank
08-08-2006, 05:06 AM
Has anyone posted links to these 2...

Alex Schultz and Lester Butler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvdKV7vUN9A&mode=related&search=

and Michael "Hollywood Fats" Mann with Muddy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9U3jJqAXMU


Mr. Moto---Yes on the Schultz/Butler---

But NO on the Fats/Waters!---THANKS!!! WooHoo!

ac

aja
08-08-2006, 07:17 AM
Could anyone recommend a good inexpensive ($200-300) jazz/blues hollowbody ? To do kenny burrell.grant green hollywood fats kind of stuff ?

TwoFeets
08-08-2006, 07:42 AM
You'll need to go above your limit there, but not by too much, to get the Epi Casino, which is basically the same as an ES330. You can find them on Ebay for $400 all day long. Later on if you get the dough, just put in a better set of pickups.

zappafrank
08-08-2006, 07:51 AM
You'll need to go above your limit there, but not by too much, to get the Epi Casino, which is basically the same as an ES330. You can find them on Ebay for $400 all day long. Later on if you get the dough, just put in a better set of pickups.

Good Call, TwoFeets....:AOK

ac

zappafrank
08-08-2006, 08:15 AM
....P.S. Aja took one solo on a tune w/my ES-5 and sounded EXACTLY like Hollywood Fats on Harman's Live in '85..EXACTLY. We all gotta watch out for this kid, he's a promise of the future in this music, IMHO.
BTW, Zappa- Are you a New England guy?

Hey Backalley---in short, nope...i'm a West coaster---Oregon, to be exact---sigh....

ac

aja
08-08-2006, 08:50 AM
I like the two-tone sunburst on the casino.

mikelaw
08-08-2006, 09:01 AM
Any northeast guys, nick, rick, alec, eric, ryan going to see JW Jones at harrys 8/18-19??? He emailed me today and asked if Ryan and I were going. I would like to go at least one of the 2 nights.

Do you have either night off ricky?

HappyValley
08-08-2006, 09:12 AM
Any northeast guys, nick, rick, alec, eric, ryan going to see JW Jones at harrys 8/18-19??? He emailed me today and asked if Ryan and I were going. I would like to go at least one of the 2 nights.

Do you have either night off ricky?

I'm off but after a 4 gig week this week & a 3 gig week next week,plus the day job, my wife's freakin' out a little......well, actually...A LOT!!:messedup

mikelaw
08-08-2006, 10:04 AM
:jo :messedup :jo :messedup :messedup :messedup :crazy :crazy :jo

dukeh62
08-08-2006, 10:06 AM
Any northeast guys, nick, rick, alec, eric, ryan going to see JW Jones at harrys 8/18-19??? He emailed me today and asked if Ryan and I were going. I would like to go at least one of the 2 nights.

Do you have either night off ricky?


I'll be moving into my new house. Sorry bro.

aja
08-08-2006, 10:37 AM
I'm playing with George the 18th I know of.

ES350
08-08-2006, 10:42 AM
Nobody ever mentions the tweed Deluxe much around here. Any of you guys use them for anything?

yeah---I have a 5C3 and a 5E3 and I used to run a line out from the 5E3 into a BF Twin. Use the 5C3 a lot for recording and smaller gigs (brushes, acoustic piano, unamped upright).

mikelaw
08-08-2006, 02:49 PM
george the 18th?

KING george the 18th?

aja
08-08-2006, 03:12 PM
yea lol. I play with henry the 8th too.

TwoFeets
08-08-2006, 03:25 PM
Henry the 8th - is that like Henry the 1st, only up an octave?

mikelaw
08-08-2006, 05:56 PM
hahaaaaaaa

TwoFeets
08-09-2006, 07:49 AM
Wow, it's 8:45 and no posts yet. I'll get things started.

The blues really stink, man.

Strat-O
08-09-2006, 08:07 AM
Gee, you read my mind! Weird! I agree, it all sounds the same to me. I'm starting to lean towards more original genre's where all the bands and musicians sound completely different.

So, I got the new Blue Flames disc. It wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but its not too bad. Randy Chortkoff is probably going to wind up being the best thing to happen to the blues in this century.

mikelaw
08-09-2006, 09:32 AM
HAHA! i agree. He is doing some great things recently. It was like out of nowhere for me, but Ryan mentioned knowing of him doing things way back too.

aja
08-09-2006, 10:40 AM
Isnt that hollywood fats old band ?

mikelaw
08-09-2006, 12:23 PM
does anyone in here like vagina?

TwoFeets
08-09-2006, 12:26 PM
does anyone in here like vagina?

I've been to both Richmond and Newport News and they were lovely, but I wouldn't want to live there.

aja
08-09-2006, 01:28 PM
What that ? I heard of that once ?
Sugar ray norcia is playing friday at Black eyed sally's for anyone who doesn't know or isn't going allready.
Gonna try out my new camcorder I think.

mikelaw
08-09-2006, 02:32 PM
awesome robby. thanks aja

dukeh62
08-09-2006, 07:44 PM
Man...is this NOT the hippest little kid ever??? Imagine what he'll sound like in a few years when he pulls it all together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf2kwRLQRo&mode=related&search=

mikelaw
08-09-2006, 08:14 PM
good band too! nice stuff. i hear some stevie in there too for sure.

for all you harmony fans, i just got this done 20 minutes ago. for my love of my h44 inspired for sure. :)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8013/mvc871suq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Strat-O
08-09-2006, 09:50 PM
Cool tattoo Mike. Its INSANE!

:dude

aja
08-10-2006, 08:40 AM
YEAAAAAAAAAA mofo !!!! Why didn't you call me to go loser ??

rhartt1234
08-10-2006, 12:13 PM
for all you harmony fans, i just got this done 20 minutes ago. for my love of my h44 inspired for sure. :)

The weird part is that's the back of his head!

Hey Fretshop and anyone else who has a 5 way in their Tele: Is a 5 way switch a 5 way switch regardless of how many pickups are involved? Would a switch/pots from a Nashville Tele work?

valcotone
08-10-2006, 12:21 PM
Hey Fretshop and anyone else who has a 5 way in their Tele: Is a 5 way switch a 5 way switch regardless of how many pickups are involved? Would a switch/pots from a Nashville Tele work?
hey Ryan,

Check this out from the Deaf Eddie site... I did this (on Fretshop's recommendation) in my 52RI Tele and it works pretty well except I don't use the 2nd (series/in-phase mode) very often. In this case the switch is a the 24-lug, 4-pole, 5-throw superswitch.

http://www.deaf-eddie.net/drawings/switches.jpg

http://www.deaf-eddie.net/drawings/5-tone.jpg

fretshop
08-10-2006, 01:05 PM
The weird part is that's the back of his head!

Hey Fretshop and anyone else who has a 5 way in their Tele: Is a 5 way switch a 5 way switch regardless of how many pickups are involved? Would a switch/pots from a Nashville Tele work?

Hey Ryan : The five position "Stratotone" switch (hmm..I thought THAT name was protected by a Harmony copyright (?) well...Fender owns just about everything except the White House, so I shouldn't be surprized) in the basic Nashville Tele works like a standard Strat and is much different than the Oak Grigsby Super Switch that Sean and I use in our guitars. You will not get the same tonal combinations with the stock switch. You can use the pots though.

Sean, thanks for posting that page. I'm using my work computer which blocks alot of stuff from posting.

I posted a tone pot mod, but I removed the directions to prevent personal liability. I also didn't want to sound like too much of a jerk by posting a disclaimer...Anyway, I can recommend a VERY simple re-location of one wire that, depending on the brand and output of your Tele pickups can help smooth out the abrupt loss of treble we sometimes experience when turning down the volume pot on Fender guitars. It is NOT a bleed cap. If any one is interested, they can e-mail me.

fretshop
08-10-2006, 02:11 PM
I'm a little puzzled that none of the members I sent photos to from the "First monthly WC thread Lodge Members Regional Caucus" at Vincent's posted any of the stuff. I can't post from this computer. There are two really nice group photos. Mike ? Duke ?

Would any one care to work with me to plan and organize something like a weekend WC thread members get together at Vincent's ? I really like the vibe there.

dukeh62
08-10-2006, 02:12 PM
I'm a little puzzled that none of the members I sent photos to from the "First monthly WC thread Lodge Members Regional Caucus" at Vincent's posted any of the stuff. I can't post from this computer. There are two really nice group photos. Mike ? Duke ?

Little too busy George. I promise I'll get to 'em!

fretshop
08-10-2006, 02:23 PM
Little too busy George. I promise I'll get to 'em!

OOOOpppps !!! Sorry Duke, I forgot about the house/floors and all.....BTW, How's Miz Lillian ?

TwoFeets
08-10-2006, 02:39 PM
Did anyone see the gorgeous 1949/1955 ES5 Switchmaster conversion in the classifieds for $3500???

It's under "3 nice Gibsons"

OMG I'm drooling.

Poppa Stoppa
08-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Mike that's devotion to the cause!

See this guitar Muddy's playing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wESfLjaZIg&mode=related&search=
It's a Guild Thunderbird. I had one a while back - apart from being shaped like a cross between a surf board and a chocolate bar left to long in the sun, plus having a BUILT-IN STAND in the back of it, the notable thing was I bought it off a guy in the Bay City Rollers and sold it to a guy in XTC.

I would have kept it except the fingerboard was detatching from the neck and it needed work. Mine had big Guild pickups as well, not single coils like Muddy's. Hell of a guitar though. Had three slider switches, one which turned everything OFF. I hit a big note one night and caught the switch at the same time. Silence.

dukeh62
08-10-2006, 03:29 PM
Sure is a purdy one.

Big Walter Horton: I only a spattering of his work. What are the "essential" recordings?

TwoFeets
08-10-2006, 03:37 PM
Not a bad price, but almost all the parts are changed parts and the P-90's are from the 60's. I actually just bought a more original 1950 ES-5 about 4 months ago for a little less then that.

Yeah I hear ya.

I'm wondering if the prices are US or Cdn.

Did you buy that '50 from one of our own? I think I just missed that one.

straightblues
08-10-2006, 04:47 PM
Thinking about getting a strat. What strats are you guys playing? Also, for the several of you who are building your own, what are the specs. (body wood, bridge, pickups, etc.)

Strat-O
08-10-2006, 06:06 PM
I think the live album with Horton and Ronnie Earl is outrageously good. And the Sun stuff too. The live one is called "Live at the Knickerbocker".

Fret - Sorry man, didn't know you needed them posted. Maybe I can do it later or tomorrow.

mikelaw
08-10-2006, 07:38 PM
i play a JLV strat- alec, dukeh62 and 5 other players i know also own the jlvs. they are cheap and well made with good pu's IMHO. but what do i know, im not really a guitar player.

zappafrank
08-10-2006, 08:18 PM
i play a JLV strat- alec, dukeh62 and 5 other players i know also own the jlvs. they are cheap and well made with good pu's IMHO. but what do i know, im not really a guitar player.

That's an excellent choice for a first strat---I might add to try and find a light-ish one with an ash body (are they still poplar on the new ones or alder now?), if possible, but even if you can't, it's a great axe for the price!

BTW---Nice tat mike...commitment fo sho...

strat-o---I, like you, would also recommend the live Horton w/Earl (and Sugar Ray Norcia is on it too)---I have that ACE CD to0...'Mumbles' Horton...gotta love it.

I got all my tele parts together---The Don Mare rewinds came in yesterday---he designed me a custom spec set after our conversations about blues and artists/styles I like---actually quite a bit hotter on the neck pup than the Joel Foy wind (7.9!!)---kinda surprised me!...But I trust his judgement, as everyone who's played these 'rosie wraps' is ecstatic over 'em---I can't wait to hear the things!!

ac

valcotone
08-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Straightblues... You might want to consider checking out the Mexi-Robert Cray sig strat. It's a fine hardtail (no trem) with decent pickups, nice slightly larger profile maple/rosewood neck, 9.2" radius, medium jumbo frets, vintage-style hardware. Mine is in sunburst and just under 7lbs - it's a great guitar. I think it and the JLV Strat are on par with each other quality-wise and it just depends on whether you like maple or rosewood necks and trem or no-trem.

Strat-O
08-10-2006, 09:37 PM
AC - Dude, I believe my 0038 neck pickup is like that. Its a beautiful sounding Tele pickup!

mikelaw
08-11-2006, 07:42 AM
thanks porter! appreciate it. yea cray's are nice. i wish they made a cray in 2 tone burst with jlv wiring. that would be the go to strat for me. i love lil henry's 2tone strat hardtail. weighs about 4lbs. i am not kidding. :)

Esquire
08-11-2006, 08:52 AM
Big Walter Horton "Fine Cuts" is a good choice. It was recorded within several years of his passing. It's sloppy at times but has a lot of inspiring material on it including an instrumental version of "Don't Get Around Much Anymore".

A good Strat to recommend? I agree the Jimmie Vaughan model is a nice instrument particuliarly for the money. I'm a fan of the US vintage reissues. US vintage reissues have skinny vintage frets and lacquered fret boards on the maple necks which makes for a guitar that fights you. I have a tendency to like a guitar with a little fight in it and makes you work for every note.

TwoFeets
08-11-2006, 08:53 AM
I have yet to play a Highway 1 Strat that I didn't like. Seriously.

Scott Miller
08-11-2006, 11:36 AM
I have a Jeff Beck Strat, with the big honkin' neck, and two-single-coils with splitter in the bridge. It has gold Lace sensors, which makes a lot of players look at it and say "Ewwww..." but it sounds like a Strat to me. I usually play it when I'm in the mood for mindless wanking.

mikelaw
08-11-2006, 11:57 AM
i overlooked lace's until i played my coworkers clapton strat with them in it and i have to say they werent that bad. ! however. the in between spot with lace sensors are like nails on a chalkboard IMHO.

NORTHEAST CATS IN HERE------------------------->WHOS GOING TO SUGAR RAY AND THE BLUETONES AT SALLYS TONIGHT!??

zappafrank
08-11-2006, 12:07 PM
Hey Strat-O----


Is that your Clark Tweed Pro replica (Penrose) I see over on Ebay??--Nice, man---and a nice price!!---Good luck, if it's yours---I'm not planning to EVER sell my Clark w/ the 15"---but it's lower powered than a pro (5E3 circuit..)

ac

Dave Orban
08-11-2006, 12:16 PM
Hey Strat-O----


Is that your Clark Tweed Pro replica (Penrose) I see over on Ebay??--Nice, man---and a nice price!!---Good luck, if it's yours---I'm not planning to EVER sell my Clark w/ the 15"---but it's lower powered than a pro (5E3 circuit..)

acDid you get to try out your Don Mare pickups yet...?

straightblues
08-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Did you get to try out your Don Mare pickups yet...?I have Don Mare pickups in the two new guitars I just built. An Esquire with the Joel Foy wind and a Tele with the 2324 Roy Wraps. I am in love with these pickups. They are microphonic in a great way. They capture everything I was always looking for in botique tele pickups but never found until now.

I am also waiting for your review AC. I think you will love them.

In fact, I had given up on Fender guitars until I found these Don Mare pickups. That is why I am now thinking of getting a strat and putting Don's pickups in it. The same set he built with Junior Watson.

Here is my tele. I posted pics of the Esquire a couple of weeks ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN5959.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN5951.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN5943.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN5941.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/DSCN5930.jpg

Dave Orban
08-11-2006, 12:30 PM
I have Don Mare pickups in the two new guitars I just built. An Esquire with the Joel Foy wind and a Tele with the 2324 Roy Wraps. I am in love with these pickups. They are microphonic in a great way. They capture everything I was always looking for in botique tele pickups but never found until now.

I am also waiting for your review AC. I think you will love them.

In fact, I had given up on Fender guitars until I found these Don Mare pickups. That is why I am now thinking of getting a strat and putting Don's pickups in it. The same set he built with Junior Watson.

Here is my tele. I posted pics of the Esquire a couple of weeks ago.



I just picked up a set of the Foys. I'm just waiting to get a body to put them in. LOL!

Strat-O
08-11-2006, 12:31 PM
Dave - Oh yeah man, I reported in on the 0038's a while back. They sound fantastic. Easily some of my favorite pickups. I play my Tele all the time now.

I'm also selling off the Muddy Waters Tele that I have. Its a great guitar, but I just don't need it with all the others I have. The thing weighs about 5.5 pounds. At $500 its a steal.

KBR
08-11-2006, 12:40 PM
To the dude asking about Strats, I can say after building around 400 of em, (with some Tele's thrown in) I always get a Swamp Ash Body, uni routed so I can use Lollar P90's, or Voodoo Humbuckers or TomHolmes)
or Van Zandts, (Strat,or Tele bridge pups) I have used and own 5 at present and all weigh 6lbs even or less. I can get Albert Collins,early Jmmie Vaughan, Anson , Swing Tones, you name it, Albert King and Collins are my specialities, although I am doing alot of 50's early 60's BB King as of late.
I like big necks, big frets and good pickups. It is easy to get a great Axe 'stead of what The SUITS think y'all want.

The JV strat sounds good, but most I played are 8 lb boat anchors
Add some True Vintage VZ's or Fralins and then it will sound like a GOOD OLd Strat.
The RC's have a good sound and are usually 7-7.5 lbs.
For the $ those 2 are best, the CS stuff is not worth it, unless you have a great job?
IMHO,
YMMV

Kenny Blue Ray

zappafrank
08-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Did you get to try out your Don Mare pickups yet...?

Dave O.---Got all the parts---waiting for the luthier to assemble/set up...THEN I'll be able to hear these pups!

Strat-O---glad to hea