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S.W.Erdnase
01-25-2008, 02:22 AM
Man that guy looks SO much like Jnr Watson!
nmontz
01-25-2008, 08:03 AM
Makes sense he looks like Jr. because it is Jr.
RickyKing
01-25-2008, 08:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5NmODNy4Dc
telephone blues
The crowd's louder than the freakin band.....!
Goldie295
01-25-2008, 09:32 AM
Hi all !
Just checking back in after being away for a month or so.
Had a great trip. Seemed to take in most of America via the California Zephyr (http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df01172005a.jpg) between Chicago and San Francisco (takes 2.5 days point to point with 30min stops in Denver and Salt Lake) and enjoyed life in Hawaii !
Met Buddy Guy and Jimmy Johnson in Chicago, Kid Andersen and Andy Santana in San Francisco and had a ball. Very exotic for a UK blues fan.
HOT TIP : Try the Lovepedal COT50. Amazing.
Cheers,
Goldie
Goldie295
01-25-2008, 10:08 AM
Just ordered some more Wegen Twins having lost my last one at a jam last night. Does anyone else use these picks?
http://www.wegenpicks.com/images/Twins.jpg
Cheers,
Goldie
TwoFeets
01-25-2008, 10:11 AM
I've tried a majillion different picks and I keep going back to regular-shaped Fender heavy celluloids.
dukeh62
01-25-2008, 12:05 PM
Is this West Coast approved?
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s033170352/
jimfog
01-25-2008, 12:07 PM
Is this West Coast approved?
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s033170352/
Depends on which direction it's pointing!
valcotone
01-25-2008, 12:18 PM
There's a music store in Seattle called the Trading Musician... they should sue:
http://www.tradingmusician.com/images/logo_img.gif
Strat-O
01-25-2008, 12:18 PM
Is this West Coast approved?
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s033170352/
I heard that Rick Holmstrom's cousin's sister's nephew looked at one last week. So...yes it is.
:AOK
RickyKing
01-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Is this West Coast approved?
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s033170352/
ROLF!:rotflmao
Poppa Stoppa
01-25-2008, 12:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5NmODNy4Dc
telephone bluesI'll see your telephone blues & raise you a shake dancer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GdXuGEpkto&feature=related
Junior plays that pretty damn' good. Actually that tune is not so much a harp instrumental, more of a rhythm guitar showcase.
RickyKing
01-25-2008, 12:56 PM
I've tried a majillion different picks and I keep going back to regular-shaped Fender heavy celluloids.
Dos'
I've done the research....brown tortise fender 351 medium. Best balance and attack of every one I tried (too much time on my hands,have a box of picks to prove it) IMHO of cus.... BTW just got my strat w/ Don's Swing-o-tones from the shop,cant wait to get it out on the gig.
Stingray,call me
dukeh62
01-25-2008, 01:02 PM
Hey New Englanders...the Blue Hearts are up at Vincent's in Worcester tonight if anybody is looking for something to do.
Poppa Stoppa
01-25-2008, 01:04 PM
Just ordered some more Wegen Twins having lost my last one at a jam last night. Does anyone else use these picks?
http://www.wegenpicks.com/images/Twins.jpg
Cheers,
GoldieYou going all Django on us Goldie? The principle looks the same as the V-pick. Folks say once you get used to a pick 3.5mm thick you never go back.
Schwalbe
01-25-2008, 01:04 PM
Is this West Coast approved?
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s033170352/
That would work great for waking up harp players with flat harps!! :jo
S.W.Erdnase
01-25-2008, 03:00 PM
Makes sense he looks like Jr. because it is Jr.
I'll use emoticons next time to indicate when I'm taking the piss.
Schwalbe
01-25-2008, 04:31 PM
I'll use emoticons next time to indicate when I'm taking the piss.
:bkw
:nono
:rotflmao
Goldie295
01-25-2008, 05:36 PM
You going all Django on us Goldie? The principle looks the same as the V-pick. Folks say once you get used to a pick 3.5mm thick you never go back.
Ha ! Yes, wish I could partake of the wine gypsy, but that stuff is far too grown up for me and I just don't have the patience, time or talent to show my fingers the road to caravan wizardry.
Hope the new job is going well and let me know when you are next going to the Tues jam you mentioned a little while back as I'd like to accept your invitation to tag along.
jimfog
01-25-2008, 05:39 PM
You going all Django on us Goldie? The principle looks the same as the V-pick. Folks say once you get used to a pick 3.5mm thick you never go back.
I dig those Vpicks, kinda..........but just flat out can NOT play blues with it........seriously.
When I try pick back by the bridge for that TBone thing, or want to dig in for snarl, they don't do what I want.........too smoooooth, or something.
Definitely help your fluidity and speed, though.
- Jim
Stringmaster
01-25-2008, 07:05 PM
Man that guy looks SO much like Jnr Watson!
That guy was spotted again--here on the West Coast, at Deke's
Guitar Geek Festival. I think his name was Mike something. In my opinion, he did Junior better than Junior does himself. DD
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4126/jrwatson1uu6.jpg
Scott Miller
01-26-2008, 12:20 AM
Rick Estrin and the New Nightcat Revue, is what Chris is now part of. Not with Musselwhite anymore. Chris played a few songs with Seth Walker this evening. What really knocked me out was Damien Llanes on drums. He played so far behind the beat that it HURT! In a good way.
Poppa Stoppa
01-26-2008, 02:15 AM
So Ritchie Valenz actually played one of those guitars? That's interesting. Lou Diamond Phillips used one in La Bamba, but I always figured it might've been just chosen because it was what the production's property master could get.http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g283/ted149/RitchieValens.jpg
nc slim
01-26-2008, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPp2S0Jf_f8
anson Ronnie
Schwalbe
01-26-2008, 02:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPp2S0Jf_f8
Anson Ronnie
Fabulous!!!!!
How's about some shameless self promotion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWLQENSjR4
I was their for that !! Our very own Jersey George makes a cameo on one of those Boston blues fest youtubes.Killer for sure.
mikelaw
01-26-2008, 04:57 PM
hilarious reverse V eric. dan, great shot of the band-- killer tone!
that train trip looks killer, california zephyr i will remember that. add it to my things to do before i die list.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5010/dunlop20ultex20100jw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7857/518jkxq18klaa280bd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
i dig the dunlop ultex 1.0 and the clayton ultem .95 or whatever. eric turned me onto the ultexs. in destructible then i had some clayton's made for me with imprints and they are larger which is cooler for me since i use the rounded side.
these picks last forever. i only go through them because i loose them.
Mike,
I have been using that Rhino pick, too. They got tone!
before I used the blue tortex ones, Dunlop.
I also like to play without a pick, maybe 30% of the night.
Schwalbe
01-26-2008, 05:31 PM
+1 clayton ultem .95
valcotone
01-26-2008, 08:48 PM
Rick Estrin and the New Nightcat Revue, is what Chris is now part of. Not with Musselwhite anymore. Chris played a few songs with Seth Walker this evening. What really knocked me out was Damien Llanes on drums. He played so far behind the beat that it HURT! In a good way.
Yeah, Scott! Damien is fantastic... he used to play with Nick Curran in the Nitelifes and I also saw him sit in with Derek O'Brien and the Blue Monday band at Antones a while back. Killer drummer with a beauty of a shuffle. Real nice guy too.
RickyKing
01-27-2008, 01:49 AM
So,I just got in from my gig...
Hats off to Don M. the pickups are superb,really very nice.
Thank you sir!
straightblues
01-27-2008, 11:13 AM
Something to get you going on a Sunday morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw7dxx5mHLw
sethr
01-27-2008, 11:40 AM
Damien is fantastic... he used to play with Nick Curran in the Nitelifes
He plays with Nick now, in Deguello.
Poppa Stoppa
01-27-2008, 12:26 PM
There are some clips up from the Harmony booth at NAMM.
This sounds decent although nothing like an H62 tone IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUziX-6EJ8
mikelaw
01-27-2008, 01:03 PM
ive been saying for years damien llanes is one of the best drummers in the business. blues, rock, jazz, swing....he can do it all.
S.W.Erdnase
01-27-2008, 01:58 PM
Something to get you going on a Sunday morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw7dxx5mHLw
Punko-psycho-rockabilly... (shudder)
bluesjuke
01-27-2008, 04:54 PM
Charlie Baty leaving the Nightcats to go jazz?
Anyone else hear this?
According to the Kid Andersen interview in BlueNews, Kid will be starting in March..
Heard also that Charlie has had heart surgery?
I wish Little Charlie all the Best, I was with him in 1975-76, when Rick joined up, they didn't need me, He has been at it a long time.
He taught me a lot, and was one of my Favorite Harp players, besides a monster on Guitar.
I got a call from Charlie Musselwhite, to cover some gigs, but Kid did em..It was the Living Blues Boat Cruise, It would have been fun.
Changes in the air?
duanesworld
01-27-2008, 07:19 PM
Hope his health is well, and look foward to some killer new music from a master.
bluesjuke
01-27-2008, 07:21 PM
I recall that Kenny.
I wish Charlie the best too but I'll miss them together.
jimfog
01-27-2008, 07:46 PM
You guys who play hollow P90 guitars..........what strings are you using?
Trying to figure out which way to go on the Tuxedo I just got.........flats, rounds, etc?
hmmmmmmmmm......
Dave Orban
01-27-2008, 07:54 PM
I've got a set of Tomastik roundwounds, 13-56, on the 175... it's got a plain G, probably about a 21-22, or so...
jimfog
01-27-2008, 08:03 PM
I've got a set of Tomastik roundwounds, 13-56, on the 175... it's got a plain G, probably about a 21-22, or so...
Ah-Ha!!!! .13's!
THAT'S why you make those pained grimaces when you play............
hmmm.......but that doesn't explain the audience.
:confused:
Are those Thomastiks a little silkier playing, like their flatwounds?
Strat-O
01-27-2008, 09:03 PM
Punko-psycho-rockabilly... (shudder)
I love that band...and that whole genre of music. Wild and raw just like Wolf in Memphis.
Strat-O
01-27-2008, 09:06 PM
Fabulous!!!!!
How's about some shameless self promotion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWLQENSjR4
Nice playin' Schwalbe-D. What's your amp setup?
Echo Are
01-27-2008, 11:27 PM
I can't help but wonder if maybe Charlie Baty might have some issues with his hearing helping to prompt his move into jazz, which is quieter music?
fretshop
01-28-2008, 06:52 AM
Ah-Ha!!!! .13's!
THAT'S why you make those pained grimaces when you play............
hmmm.......but that doesn't explain the audience.
:confused:
Are those Thomastiks a little silkier playing, like their flatwounds?
Hmmmm...
fretshop
01-28-2008, 07:04 AM
I dig those Vpicks, kinda..........but just flat out can NOT play blues with it........seriously.
When I try pick back by the bridge for that TBone thing, or want to dig in for snarl, they don't do what I want.........too smoooooth, or something.
Definitely help your fluidity and speed, though.
- Jim
I got hooked on the Dunlop Delrin 500 2.0 MM pick. Very slick and smooth Delrin...Purple color. It has also eased some of the right hand picking effort, and allowed me to generate more tonality by "working the pick" I went back and tried the Dunnlop 1.25 nd 1.50 and all I heard was "plink"...went back to the 2.0 and the guitar came to life...no hard picking here, but way better control.
In the early 80's I worked with Rev. Billy G. to help an old pal, Allen Haynes put a rig together after his entire instrument and amp collection were stolen from his house in Houston. Billy and Allen later sent me a set of hand wound Pearly Gates pups AND two picks...one made out of a Mexican Peso, and the other one made from a 50 cent piece....those things work !!! I still have 'em.
fretshop
01-28-2008, 07:12 AM
That guy was spotted again--here on the West Coast, at Deke's
Guitar Geek Festival. I think his name was Mike something. In my opinion, he did Junior better than Junior does himself. DD
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4126/jrwatson1uu6.jpg
Yeah...that guy Mike....at first I thought he was a Junior Watson poseur. This guy definitely looks more clean cut too. Any body notice the re-positioning of the hershey pup...right up against the fingerboard ?
Woooo...dig the Nehru-esque fashion "jacquette" !! If it has twelve buttons I know where he bought it. I think I saw Thinsocks in the same store (ha ha)
Dave Orban
01-28-2008, 07:43 AM
Ah-Ha!!!! .13's!
THAT'S why you make those pained grimaces when you play............
hmmm.......but that doesn't explain the audience.
:confused:
ROTFLMAO!!!
Are those Thomastiks a little silkier playing, like their flatwounds?
Not that I can tell. It's probably just the lint on my fingertips from the head rag...
Poppa Stoppa
01-28-2008, 08:03 AM
Yeah...that guy Mike....at first I thought he was a Junior Watson poseur. This guy definitely looks more clean cut too. Any body notice the re-positioning of the hershey pup...right up against the fingerboard ?...looks like he's auditioning for ZZ Top to me. Cool story about Billy Gibbons and Allen Haynes, George.
Down in Houston, the higher the hair, the nearer to God, so I hear (my brother lives there). I reckoned this was a case of the nearer the neck, the more the fat archtop tone but Valcotone had a more practical explanation, IIRC. Can't remember what it was though...Sean?
jetlag
01-28-2008, 09:12 AM
[quote=Poppa Stoppa;3572297 I reckoned this was a case of the nearer the neck, the more the fat archtop tone but Valcotone had a more practical explanation, IIRC. Can't remember what it was though...Sean?[/quote]
That's what I was told - moving the pickup towards the neck gives a closer approximation to an archtop tone. They already sound pretty damn close to an archtop to me, so I don't think it's worth the trouble.
Schwalbe
01-28-2008, 09:32 AM
Nice playin' Schwalbe-D. What's your amp setup?
Thanks Strat-O. That's the Weber 5E5A kit with stock Weber 15A150-O and the ToreVibe 'verb/trem tank with an Accutronics 9 spring medium delay pan. They've both got NOS tubes including a nice set of RCA Black Plates that came with a Gibson amp that was given to me (the one I can't give away).
valcotone
01-28-2008, 10:54 AM
...looks like he's auditioning for ZZ Top to me. Cool story about Billy Gibbons and Allen Haynes, George.
Down in Houston, the higher the hair, the nearer to God, so I hear (my brother lives there). I reckoned this was a case of the nearer the neck, the more the fat archtop tone but Valcotone had a more practical explanation, IIRC. Can't remember what it was though...Sean?
I don't remember either... hahahaha! But, yeah closer to the neck does what you describe.
And I agree with Jetlag, it's not worth the extra routing required (to me) to move it... I experimented with the pickup sitting on top of the body there and sliding it around to compare tones, and while it did provide a little more output and bottom end, it's not what I wanted out of the neck pup of my H44. I should mention that I found a larger difference in tone by moving the bridge pickup around the same distance... it's more sensitive to position than the neck pup.
-Sean
Strat-O
01-28-2008, 12:37 PM
Thanks Strat-O. That's the Weber 5E5A kit with stock Weber 15A150-O and the ToreVibe 'verb/trem tank with an Accutronics 9 spring medium delay pan. They've both got NOS tubes including a nice set of RCA Black Plates that came with a Gibson amp that was given to me (the one I can't give away).
Love those sliding 6th and whatever else runs. Kinda like the Freddie King stuff from 'Hideaway'. Eddie Biebel, who plays with Wayne "The Train" Hancock, is brilliant with that kind of stuff. I've been wanting to pin him down for a lesson on how he approaches it. I'd wanted to get Charlie Baty to show me his approach during a lesson one time but we didn't quite get to it. That's something I've always wanted to add to my playing but can't figure out how to do it.
with an Accutronics 9 spring medium delay pan.
So lets say that you have an amp with typical Fender reverb; too much after 3 and too dark. You know, it just overtakes the notes. Is it possible to switch to a different reverb pan to like, cheapen the reverb sound? You know, so its not so deep and dark? I like the Blues Jr reverb because its not so overbearing. Same thing with the Custom Vibrolux Reverb; its more open sounding. Can a different reverb pan be used to control this?
fretshop
01-28-2008, 02:06 PM
Love those sliding 6th and whatever else runs. Kinda like the Freddie King stuff from 'Hideaway'. Eddie Biebel, who plays with Wayne "The Train" Hancock, is brilliant with that kind of stuff. I've been wanting to pin him down for a lesson on how he approaches it. I'd wanted to get Charlie Baty to show me his approach during a lesson one time but we didn't quite get to it. That's something I've always wanted to add to my playing but can't figure out how to do it.
So lets say that you have an amp with typical Fender reverb; too much after 3 and too dark. You know, it just overtakes the notes. Is it possible to switch to a different reverb pan to like, cheapen the reverb sound? You know, so its not so deep and dark? I like the Blues Jr reverb because its not so overbearing. Same thing with the Custom Vibrolux Reverb; its more open sounding. Can a different reverb pan be used to control this?
There are options out there, but you have to be mindful of impedences.
I've been experimenting with different pans for my Ampeg Jet R.I. amps, as the stock pan is only around 8" long and the reverb gets muddled up and murky when the reverb control is turned up over 3-4, or the volume turned up over 4. I've noticed that some pans just suck gain out of the amp. There are mods that can be done to standard BF / SF Fender reverb circuits to liven things up, though. Jeff Bakos should be able to do it, and make sure you tell him you need it right away.
TwoFeets
01-28-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm thinking this is probably Andy Santana, selling this Silvertone with a bajillion autographs. Can anyone confirm?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Silvertone-40s-Archtop-w-60-autographs_W0QQitemZ270206090531QQihZ017QQcategory Z2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Scott Miller
01-28-2008, 02:54 PM
I can't imagine moving my H44 neck pickup. It's perfect just like it is. Don't touch it! Don't even look at it!!!
Scott Miller
01-28-2008, 03:00 PM
One of the signatures says "To Andy," so that seems likely. I've seen him play a Silvertone, but I think I would have remembered all the writing on it. Must have been a different one.
jumpnblues
01-28-2008, 03:07 PM
Thanks Strat-O. That's the Weber 5E5A kit with stock Weber 15A150-O and the ToreVibe 'verb/trem tank with an Accutronics 9 spring medium delay pan. They've both got NOS tubes including a nice set of RCA Black Plates that came with a Gibson amp that was given to me (the one I can't give away).
Wow! Great tone and great playing. Love the sound of your setup. Wish I could hear it live. :AOK:AOK:cool::cool:
Tom
bbarnard
01-28-2008, 03:07 PM
Charlie Baty leaving the Nightcats to go jazz?
Anyone else hear this?
According to the Kid Andersen interview in BlueNews, Kid will be starting in March..
Heard also that Charlie has had heart surgery?
Haven't heard if he's leaving the Nightcats but I know he had been working on a solo album that was heavily jazz influenced. Perhaps that's the background. Also haven't heard anything about heart surgery but haven't emailed him in a while. I'll shoot him an email and see if I hear anything back.
pete kanaras
01-28-2008, 03:14 PM
I've been experimenting with different pans for my Ampeg Jet R.I. amps
george, did ampeg change over to a fender style reverb circuit for the reissues rather than the old style ampeg capacitor reverb circuit? each circuit uses a different style pan and they are not interchangeable. if you know this already just ignore the above, but jes' sayin'....
fretshop
01-28-2008, 03:31 PM
I've been experimenting with different pans for my Ampeg Jet R.I. amps
george, did ampeg change over to a fender style reverb circuit for the reissues rather than the old style ampeg capacitor reverb circuit? each circuit uses a different style pan and they are not interchangeable. if you know this already just ignore the above, but jes' sayin'....
The reverb circuit on the Jets is a small electronic component affair, no reverb driver transformer, etc....the signal goes right out from the board to a Belton pan. The reverb cleans up nicely with an upgraded pan, but the amp loses about 30% of its Gain. The stock pan is a good one....so it's gotta be the chip that is screwing things up.
jetlag
01-28-2008, 04:40 PM
+1 regarding the great tone (and playing) on Mr. Schalbe's clip. Really nice. I like those fourths/doublestop licks, reminds me of Robert Ward (who I love) w/o the vibrata. Dan, that must be the same amp as what is in the weber board clip for their P15N copy, correct? The two sound a lot different to me, but both good. Did you do something different to the amp between those clips or chalk it up to speaker break-in?
jetlag
01-28-2008, 04:48 PM
So lets say that you have an amp with typical Fender reverb; too much after 3 and too dark. You know, it just overtakes the notes. Is it possible to switch to a different reverb pan to like, cheapen the reverb sound? You know, so its not so deep and dark? I like the Blues Jr reverb because its not so overbearing. Same thing with the Custom Vibrolux Reverb; its more open sounding. Can a different reverb pan be used to control this?
Strato - Sounds like you prefer the sound of the two spring reveb to the 3 spring, it's definitely cheaper sounding. At least to me those three spring pans have a more refined, deep or almost plate reverb sound to them. Regarding reverb dwell, I know what you mean. I've been wanting to experiment and try an accutronics SHORT delay pan sometime to see if it would help. But to date, I've been too lazy to figure out the part number and where to order it. Typical pans are either long or medium delay. An option - There is a bf amp mod that might help you out - it sorta throws away half of the typical bf amp reverb and spreads the remaining amount of wet out over the 1-10 dial. PM me if interested, I can probably get it from my amp guy. One thing you can try on an unruly reverb pan is putting a blob of RTV gel on the little hooks that hold together the spring segments. I was able to get an old reverb unit under control by doing that. That and putting some door weather stripping on top of the metal pan housing (on the outside).
jbcrow
01-28-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey Guys,
Saw this thread and couldn't resist. I've played on the east and west coast for a long time. I have lots of blues up on my page from Jump, Chicago, Texas, West Coast even alittle Gatton type track. If you ever get a chance please stop by, I never put up a personal link to a page but, you guys are into the same music I am, maybe I can find some of you on myspace too, best always, JC..oh Lester Butler..Red Devils at the King King and 13 with Lester...that's the real deal too. : )
http://www.myspace.com/jaycrowley
Long Live Blues and Roots Music!!
mikelaw
01-28-2008, 06:22 PM
holy shiz-nit. costello's new one is on itunes. just bought it, SICK stuff. as expected.......
Schwalbe
01-28-2008, 06:59 PM
+1 regarding the great tone (and playing) on Mr. Schalbe's clip. Really nice. I like those fourths/doublestop licks, reminds me of Robert Ward (who I love) w/o the vibrata. Dan, that must be the same amp as what is in the weber board clip for their P15N copy, correct? The two sound a lot different to me, but both good. Did you do something different to the amp between those clips or chalk it up to speaker break-in?
Yeah same amp as the Weber page clip, same guitar too but I think the Weber clip was my old set of Fralin's. I have know idea what model they are. I bought them on Tom Bremer's recommendation. I gave him my money, he handed me a zip lock sandwich bag with Strat pups in it. That was maybe 18 - 20 years ago? They'll go back in a guitar one day, maybe that one.
Anyway the 5E5A has broken in nicely and that 15A150-O has loosened up a lot.
Love those sliding 6th and whatever else runs.
Kinda like the Freddie King stuff from 'Hideaway'. Eddie Biebel, who
plays with Wayne "The Train" Hancock, is brilliant with that kind of
stuff. I've been wanting to pin him down for a lesson on how he
approaches it. I'd wanted to get Charlie Baty to show me his approach
during a lesson one time but we didn't quite get to it. That's something
I've always wanted to add to my playing but can't figure out how to do
it.
So lets say that you have an amp with typical Fender reverb; too much
after 3 and too dark. You know, it just overtakes the notes. Is it
possible to switch to a different reverb pan to like, cheapen the reverb
sound? You know, so its not so deep and dark? I like the Blues Jr reverb
because its not so overbearing. Same thing with the Custom Vibrolux
Reverb; its more open sounding. Can a different reverb pan be used to
control this?
YIKES! That's a 3 spring (6 if you count where they're hooked together)
not 9. I know you can control the delay time by the pan type and I can
make a reverb darker just by putting foam weather stripping on top of
the pan like Leo did. I'd have to experiment with making it brighter. If it's got foam on it maybe peel it off?
The 3 spring pans that work in a Fender are 10 ohm input instead of the
8 ohm input of the regular 2 spring. 2 spring long delay is Fender
standard. It's Accutronics # R4AB3C1B, the pan I'm using is R9AB2C1B.
Accutronics used to explain their numbering system on their website. I found this site that does a decent job of explaining though http://members.tripod.com/~roymal/accutron.htm (http://members.tripod.com/%7Eroymal/accutron.htm)
Not that I'll ever be qualified to give advice on guitar playing but that particular song is just major pent and straight major scale to play that style. Soul and Country are sorta related, you need to avoid blue notes, which drives me crazy 'cause blue notes is pretty much all I've done since I
got out of the Jam bands back in high school 36 years ago.
valcotone
01-28-2008, 07:03 PM
I have know idea what model they are. I bought them on Tom Bremer's recommendation. I gave him my money, he handed me a zip lock sandwich bag with Strat pups in it.
...surely, small unmarked bills, out back in the alley next to the van?
:D
Schwalbe
01-28-2008, 07:10 PM
...surely, small unmarked bills, out back in the alley next to the van?
:D
SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:worried:worried:worried:worried
RickyKing
01-28-2008, 07:10 PM
My rig of the day...H-65 & mid 60's Gemini 1 woo-hoo!
TwoFeets
01-28-2008, 07:14 PM
holy shiz-nit. costello's new one is on itunes. just bought it, SICK stuff. as expected.......
I got one from him a couple of days ago when he played in Sanford. He's a hell of a nice guy.
Strat-O
01-28-2008, 07:19 PM
Not that I'll ever be qualified to give advice on guitar playing but that particular song is just major pent and straight major scale to play that style. Soul and Country are sorta related, you need to avoid blue notes, which drives me crazy 'cause blue notes is pretty much all I've done since I got out of the Jam bands back in high school 36 years ago.
I was just talking about the sliding 6ths (and 4ths as Jetlag called them). I can do them Freddie King style, its taking that next step that's been tough.
You guys heard Eddie Biebel with Wayne Hancock? Eddie is a brilliant swing and traditional country player. Sheesh! Him and Deke Dickerson on an album would be pretty cool. He's different form Deke though.
jetlag
01-28-2008, 09:15 PM
Hey Strato, is Eddie Biebel the guy that plays with Wayne in Austin? If so, I saw him over T Giving at the Continental Club playing thru a bf Pro Reverb and he was just awsome. Totally played the bag but burned and blew over changes as well, swingin' etc etc, but never once clammed a note all night. Unbelievable.
Dan, man, that Tom Bremmer talk brings back the "good ole days" of gear for me. I miss him and all the killer deals he would give you. Hope he's doing well.
Ricky, those Gemini I's are total sleeper amps. The second coolest compressing tube/guitar amp I've ever experienced (plow front fender tweed super being the best). The one I played was converted to 6L6s and had an EV SRO in it. It was still real cool sounding.
fretshop
01-29-2008, 06:17 AM
My rig of the day...H-65 & mid 60's Gemini 1 woo-hoo!
Thumbs up for the blue diamond Gemini 1....Jet lag and I were discussing that amp in very long detail about a year ago. I was looking for a clean one, and I let Jimmy Brown talk me into a black RR II. The R.R. renders a spot on early 60's 708 club / Rosa's live / Magic Sam vibe, but the first year production Gemini 1 is still my favorite Ampeg. It compliments everything from Teles to H-62's very well.
Dennis Kager still has parts for the Gemini.
fretshop
01-29-2008, 06:19 AM
Eric, Mike, Nick : Did I ever e-mail you guys photos from Vincent's ?
Birdseye
01-29-2008, 08:26 AM
Any of y'all ever check out any of the Italia guitars? Played one the other day at a shop out of curiosity and was surprised...sounded pretty dang good for a weird sparkly plastic coated thing. Who would have thought? Didn't have much time with it though. Are they decent guitars under all that glitter!?
A little research found this, demo by Vyasa Dodson. Not bad, working for WC style here...any of you know this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/sdpickups
Schwalbe
01-29-2008, 08:50 AM
Vyasa Dodson
The Insomniacs, great up and coming band. I believe they're nominated for the 'best new act' BMA this year.
Scott Miller
01-29-2008, 09:35 AM
"Vyasa Dodson"
I think I gave my Insomniacs thumbs up a while back. He's a great player, uses a Tele and a Magnatone 260. He's a youngster, though. There should be laws about playing that good that young. Zappafrank knows him well.
Birdseye
01-29-2008, 09:42 AM
Thought I recalled that someone had mentioned him. Seems like a cool player. Wonder if he's actually using the Italia much?
BTW...not sure if it's against the rules...but I'll mention I just threw a Clark Gainster up in the emporium. One of the best tweed tone pedals, WC approved!
"Vyasa Dodson"
I think I gave my Insomniacs thumbs up a while back. He's a great player, uses a Tele and a Magnatone 260. He's a youngster, though. There should be laws about playing that good that young. Zappafrank knows him well.
RickyKing
01-29-2008, 12:57 PM
The rig of the day... Tokai Gold Top & Vega V-70 See ya in Memphis y'all!
Strat-O
01-29-2008, 01:30 PM
Hey Strato, is Eddie Biebel the guy that plays with Wayne in Austin? If so, I saw him over T Giving at the Continental Club playing thru a bf Pro Reverb and he was just awsome. Totally played the bag but burned and blew over changes as well, swingin' etc etc, but never once clammed a note all night. Unbelievable.
Did he have blonde hair? Mid to late 40's maybe? It probably was him, he's Wayne's main guitar player. They tour alot with just Wayne on acoustic, Eddie on Telecaster, and an upright bass. He's good like Little Charlie is. Just spellbinding. I can't believe he's not more famous or well known as a guitar player.
fretshop
01-29-2008, 02:45 PM
Dave Gross just e-mailed me his schedule for New England :
Friday 2/15 - Black Eyed Sally's - Hartford, CT - 9:30PM (Gina Sicilia gig)
Saturday 2/16 - Johnny D's Uptown - Somerville, MA - 9:45PM ("Monster" Mike Welch, Gina Sicilia, & Dave Gross triple bill)
Monday 2/18 - Time Out Pub - Rockland, ME - 8:00PM (Gina Sicilia gig)
Sunday 2/17, Radio interview, Boston, but not confirmed yet.
Question for the Boston area guys. I have a son that is turning 13 and wants to go to dinner and eat lobster for his birthday. Instead of going to Red Lobster my wife and I are going to use her flight passes from American and try to get to Boston on standby sometime around the 22-26 of Feb depending on flight availability.
Where do you recommend going to eat at. Nothing fancy but good. Also does anyone have a gig during this period of time.
Shades
01-29-2008, 03:19 PM
"Vyasa Dodson"
I think I gave my Insomniacs thumbs up a while back. He's a great player, uses a Tele and a Magnatone 260. He's a youngster, though. There should be laws about playing that good that young. Zappafrank knows him well. I just played with Vyasa last Wednesday, great player. He's good singer as well. Glad to see him get some props.
Poppa Stoppa
01-29-2008, 03:24 PM
Hey Guys,
Saw this thread and couldn't resist. I've played on the east and west coast for a long time. I have lots of blues up on my page from Jump, Chicago, Texas, West Coast even alittle Gatton type track. If you ever get a chance please stop by, I never put up a personal link to a page but, you guys are into the same music I am, maybe I can find some of you on myspace too, best always, JC..oh Lester Butler..Red Devils at the King King and 13 with Lester...that's the real deal too. : )
http://www.myspace.com/jaycrowley
Long Live Blues and Roots Music!!Welcome to the coolest blues thread around Mr Crowley!
monstermike
01-29-2008, 04:19 PM
Question for the Boston area guys. I have a son that is turning 13 and wants to go to dinner and eat lobster for his birthday. Instead of going to Red Lobster my wife and I are going to use her flight passes from American and try to get to Boston on standby sometime around the 22-26 of Feb depending on flight availability.
Where do you recommend going to eat at. Nothing fancy but good. Also does anyone have a gig during this period of time.
Legal Seafoods. Any location.
M
mikelaw
01-29-2008, 05:46 PM
The rig of the day... Tokai Gold Top & Vega V-70 See ya in Memphis y'all!
have fun bro, kick some butt down there and have fun! make all the guys visit sun studios. it rocks!
Schwalbe
01-29-2008, 05:51 PM
The rig of the day... Tokai Gold Top & Vega V-70 See ya in Memphis y'all!
Good luck! Pay no attention to winning just have fun.
I was inches from going as a vacation this year but it didn't work out.
RickyKing
01-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Legal Seafoods. Any location.
M
+1 for Legal Seafood....
TwoFeets
01-30-2008, 05:59 AM
Off to Memphis by way of MS now. See some of you there!
sethr
01-30-2008, 07:29 AM
Legal Seafoods. Any location.
I was gonna say that, too. But it's been so long since I've been in Boston, I figured things may have changed. Glad to hear Legal is still kickin'. I used to love going there.
jumpnblues
01-30-2008, 09:08 AM
Any of y'all ever check out any of the Italia guitars? Played one the other day at a shop out of curiosity and was surprised...sounded pretty dang good for a weird sparkly plastic coated thing. Who would have thought? Didn't have much time with it though. Are they decent guitars under all that glitter!?
A little research found this, demo by Vyasa Dodson. Not bad, working for WC style here...any of you know this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/sdpickups
Yep. I played the one that's shaped like a Strat with 2 Fender-style Wilkinson single coils and a P-90 in the bridge. Great playing and sounding guitar. Looked cool too...blue sparkle. I'd like to have one.
Tom
bbarnard
01-30-2008, 09:12 AM
Charlie Baty leaving the Nightcats to go jazz?
Anyone else hear this?
According to the Kid Andersen interview in BlueNews, Kid will be starting in March..
Heard also that Charlie has had heart surgery?
Got an email back from Charlie asking about his heart and leaving to play jazz. Here's what he said:
"Bill - Thanks for the note. I feel fine and think I'm in pretty good health. I don't have any definite plans to pursue a jazz career or anything, but I do love playing guitar and I'm sure that even in retirement I'll continue to play. I just felt like it was time for a change after all these years - no ominous reason for retirement. Lately I've spent a lot of time and energy trying to learn to play in the gypsy style of jazz - like Django Reinhardt - and I'll keep on working on that (but not necessarily to make a living doing it). Keep on working on that guitar - definitely the more you put into it, the more you get. Charlie"
Yea see you guys their !! Good luck !!
Anybody know whos playing with Janiva Magness ? RJ Mischo ? Their coming to town and I'm gonna check them out.
Scott Miller
01-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Hummel's harp blow-out last night. Lazy Lester sang "Bloodstains on the Wall." My life is complete.
flyingvees
01-30-2008, 12:23 PM
Hate to see Charlie off the road...For any of you guys coming to memphis for the IBC's I will be doing my gig and sorta doing a jam at Beale st taproom friday from 11-2 and saturday across the street at the pig from 7-11...Any of you gearpagers that wanna come sit it just let me know..We will have to heavies there too...Gonna be alot of fun..:RoCkIn
I may be their Flyingvees !!;)
flyingvees
01-30-2008, 01:52 PM
Thanks AJA!...You guys are more than welcome to try out my gear as well, I will have my Chapin and Fargen there and there might be some suprise gear for everyone to check out...:AOK
jetlag
01-30-2008, 04:53 PM
I just ran across this live Albert King clip and really dug it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h5dpp2iCRwM
That's what I'm talkin about.
My Man, Albert King!!
Poppa Stoppa
01-31-2008, 12:20 AM
Yeah Jetlag - Live Wire, Blues Power!
jimfog
01-31-2008, 02:27 AM
Hey guys.......
A few of you were interested in that Eastwood Airline Tuxedo I just got.......
Mighty Rhythm Kings are embarking on a new recording, and got a couple tracks down on Monday. Since they're unmixed, and I haven't asked anyone if I could post tunes, here's a couple brief guitar solo snippets, featuring the Tux.
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
Goldie295
01-31-2008, 03:22 AM
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
The guitar sounds great to me Jim, though you would probably sound the same to my ears with any guitar you picked up. It's how it makes you feel that counts and it seems you love it.
I have a H44 Airline and I think it is an amazing guitar. Bang for the buck it can't be matched. Has a great jazz tone with 12s flats - which is amazing really - but I like how down and dirty you can get with it. When new they can feel a little plastic-y (like some new Epiphones), so I attacked mine all over with sandpaper. Now it feels and looks great.
http://www.bluesfactory.co.uk/userimages/dramaticending2.JPG
Cheers,
Phil
Strat-O
01-31-2008, 07:41 AM
Hey guys.......
A few of you were interested in that Eastwood Airline Tuxedo I just got.......
Mighty Rhythm Kings are embarking on a new recording, and got a couple tracks down on Monday. Since they're unmixed, and I haven't asked anyone if I could post tunes, here's a couple brief guitar solo snippets, featuring the Tux.
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
Sounds good. Good tone and nice playing. :BEER
dukeh62
01-31-2008, 07:56 AM
Hey guys.......
A few of you were interested in that Eastwood Airline Tuxedo I just got.......
Mighty Rhythm Kings are embarking on a new recording, and got a couple tracks down on Monday. Since they're unmixed, and I haven't asked anyone if I could post tunes, here's a couple brief guitar solo snippets, featuring the Tux.
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
Great tones and SWINGIN' playing, Jim!
TwoFeets
01-31-2008, 09:05 AM
Greetings from Clarksdale... off to Memphis in about 30 mins. Woohoo!
Schwalbe
01-31-2008, 09:45 AM
Greetings from Clarksdale... off to Memphis in about 30 mins. Woohoo!
Go get 'em!
Don't forget to have some fun.
valcotone
01-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Article on the new Harmony Guitar company....
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/173786321.html
Jim - Nice Tux clip man!!
TwoFeets - Have a blast in Memphis!
Phil - I love that pic, looks like you're really diggin' in!!
fretshop
01-31-2008, 11:26 AM
Hey guys.......
A few of you were interested in that Eastwood Airline Tuxedo I just got.......
Mighty Rhythm Kings are embarking on a new recording, and got a couple tracks down on Monday. Since they're unmixed, and I haven't asked anyone if I could post tunes, here's a couple brief guitar solo snippets, featuring the Tux.
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
Superb playing Jim ...we have some awesome talent on this thread!!!!
blueskalle
01-31-2008, 01:29 PM
The Nigthcats are scheduled for a tour in Europe in March. Will it be featuring Kid Andersen on guitar? Anyone??
dukeh62
01-31-2008, 03:05 PM
New Harmony site is up.
valcotone
01-31-2008, 03:59 PM
New Harmony site is up.
Here's a link... H44 from the new Harmony (http://www.harmonyguitars.com/ProductLine.asp?pl=vintage&pid=423D66FA1B6D5D6C19B424679D68B0DF3823E39FA156A6 22)
It says the H44 is a neck-through design with maple neck and nyato body?
jimfog
01-31-2008, 04:02 PM
Superb playing Jim ...we have some awesome talent on this thread!!!!
Thanks guys!
I'm a pretty tough critic of myself, but I kinda dig the Tux tone, surprisingly.
Now.....the PLAYING on the other hand............. :nono
Back to the shed.
Appreciate you listening!
- Jim
dukeh62
01-31-2008, 04:04 PM
Here's a link... H44 from the new Harmony (http://www.harmonyguitars.com/ProductLine.asp?pl=vintage&pid=423D66FA1B6D5D6C19B424679D68B0DF3823E39FA156A6 22)
It says the H44 is a neck-through design with maple neck and nyato body?
There's a lot that looks wrong on these now that we see the close-up pics.
Schwalbe
01-31-2008, 08:42 PM
Hey guys.......
A few of you were interested in that Eastwood Airline Tuxedo I just got.......
Mighty Rhythm Kings are embarking on a new recording, and got a couple tracks down on Monday. Since they're unmixed, and I haven't asked anyone if I could post tunes, here's a couple brief guitar solo snippets, featuring the Tux.
It's just the Tuxedo, straight into a Vox AC30.........
.........probably not keeper tracks, but it will give give you the flavor of the guitar, a bit.
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/AsLong-Solo.mp3
http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/WokeUp-solo.mp3
Curious what you think!
- Jim
Nice tone and playing!!
valcotone
02-01-2008, 01:23 AM
FRIDAY!
Here's a 45-minute radio interview with Rick Holmstrom from October last year. He and the band run through 4-5 songs live in the studio as well.
It's a big 41MB MP3 so right click and save-as, or just click to listen. Enjoy!
Holmes on the radio... (http://www.kilback.net/tunes/RickHolmstrom-radiointerviewsongs-Oct07.mp3) <-- click to listen
Goldie295
02-01-2008, 03:50 AM
FRIDAY!
Here's a 45-minute radio interview with Rick Holmstrom from October last year. He and the band run through 4-5 songs live in the studio as well.
It's a big 41MB MP3 so right click and save-as, or just click to listen. Enjoy!
Holmes on the radio... (http://www.kilback.net/tunes/RickHolmstrom-radiointerviewsongs-Oct07.mp3) <-- click to listen
How glad am I to have found this thread last July !! Stuff like this is priceless. Cheers Valco !
:BEER
fretshop
02-01-2008, 08:42 AM
Valcotone : Did everything arrive ?
mikelaw
02-01-2008, 09:10 AM
There's a lot that looks wrong on these now that we see the close-up pics.
u can start by looking at the SHOTTY bridge, neck joint looks TERRIBLE, neck profile is TINY.....it probably weighs a ton for a small body.....the pu probably is nothing like the real h44 dearmond. should i continue?
:jo
yikes. and i will say this again>>>>>> people want to trash the h44 and old harmonys, but I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN>>>>>>>>
NOONE CAN SEEM TO GET THEM RIGHT.
PERIOD.
:moon
valcotone
02-01-2008, 10:33 AM
Valcotone : Did everything arrive ?
There's a package waiting for me, that's probably it. I'm shipping the neck today too... thanks George!
fretshop
02-01-2008, 10:47 AM
u can start by looking at the SHOTTY bridge, neck joint looks TERRIBLE, neck profile is TINY.....it probably weighs a ton for a small body.....the pu probably is nothing like the real h44 dearmond. should i continue?
:jo
yikes. and i will say this again>>>>>> people want to trash the h44 and old harmonys, but I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN>>>>>>>>
NOONE CAN SEEM TO GET THEM RIGHT.
PERIOD.
:moon
AND..... I will repeat once again....Making an H-44 is NOT rocket science, a high school kid could build one. Junior Watson told me that he had a very long talk with Charlie from Harmony about maybe making a subsequent model... Let's see what happens.
The second issue is getting the Oriental manufacturers to work along with the engineering and production specs. It can be a nightmare.
jimfog
02-01-2008, 11:02 AM
The second issue is getting the Oriental manufacturers to work along with the engineering and production specs. It can be a nightmare.
I imagine.......but some companies seem to be able to make it work.......Fender, Reverend, Eastwood, etc.......
Dave Orban
02-01-2008, 11:19 AM
Thanks guys!
I'm a pretty tough critic of myself, but I kinda dig the Tux tone, surprisingly.
Now.....the PLAYING on the other hand............. :nono
Back to the shed.
Appreciate you listening!
- Jim
Dude! You rock!
mikelaw
02-01-2008, 11:35 AM
AND..... I will repeat once again....Making an H-44 is NOT rocket science, a high school kid could build one. Junior Watson told me that he had a very long talk with Charlie from Harmony about maybe making a subsequent model... Let's see what happens.
The second issue is getting the Oriental manufacturers to work along with the engineering and production specs. It can be a nightmare.
do it then George!!!!!!!
im just saying here, many have tried, NOONE has F-ing got it right. Keep telling me you can do it george, then friggin DO IT
fretshop
02-01-2008, 11:40 AM
I imagine.......but some companies seem to be able to make it work.......Fender, Reverend, Eastwood, etc.......
Well....I'd have to argue the point about Eastwood. Their craftsmanship is high quality, but I'm not in love with their choice of woods. We were an Eastwood dealer for two years at The Jamroom, and could not sell a guitar due to weight issues. Every model we got in was made out of heavy Maple. I haven't chedked Eatwood out lately though.
jimfog
02-01-2008, 12:54 PM
Dude! You rock!
No....YOU rock....most righteously, bro!!!
:JAM
Thanks!
Hey.....posted a suggestion on your fingerstyle thread. Let me know if it makes sense to you............it's been a big help to me , and some of my students.
Dave Orban
02-01-2008, 12:56 PM
No....YOU rock....most righteously, bro!!!
:JAM
Thanks!
Hey.....posted a suggestion on your fingerstyle thread. Let me know if it makes sense to you............it's been a big help to me , and some of my students.Thanks, Jim... I'll check it out.
jimfog
02-01-2008, 01:01 PM
Well....I'd have to argue the point about Eastwood. Their craftsmanship is high quality, but I'm not in love with their choice of woods. We were an Eastwood dealer for two years at The Jamroom, and could not sell a guitar due to weight issues. Every model we got in was made out of heavy Maple. I haven't chedked Eatwood out lately though.
I don't have a lot of experience with the Eastwoods....just this Tuxedo, which is sweet.
I wonder, though, if the heavy wood issue is a matter of the manufacturer not following specs...........or the company not insisting on better (ie, more expensive) materials.
I have a Korean Gretsch 5120 that is as good, if not better, than the high end Gretsches I've played........and National steel style axe that Beard has made overseas by Goldtone............fit and finish are immaculate.
I wonder if it's just a matter of knowing what you want, what's possible, then insisting on tight tolerances.
Away from music, the high-end computer gear coming from China is spectacular quality...............as long as that's what the company selling them WANTS and pays for.
- jim
Swingblues
02-01-2008, 02:05 PM
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgxGDxZYfG4
All the best
Igor Prado
Schwalbe
02-01-2008, 05:26 PM
This one isn't West Coast but it's interesting.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5cVmPfw97b8&feature=related
TwoFeets
02-01-2008, 06:53 PM
Brief Memphis report: Things are going well! Ran into Alec James a little while ago and going to catch up with him again later on tonight, hopefully at Bob Margolin's jam. Saw our own RickyKing and resident lurker Rick Harrington with the Mike Crandall band and they did a killer job. Loving Rick's Harmony Meteor with the P90's. We're at Wet Willie's; Mike Crandall and co. are at the RumBoogie.
Gonna be a long night tonight!
S.W.Erdnase
02-01-2008, 09:22 PM
So, I've long stopped buying Rod Piazza CDs and I was just reminded why. A friend loaned me his copy of "Thrillville" and I have to say to Rod: what's with the fake black accent?
I don't mind him trying to sing like his heroes, but quit it with the hokey muppet voice when you're rapping, Rod. It ruins what might be an okay CD when he goes into his rap about Little Walter and Slim Harpo.
[/rant]
Poppa Stoppa
02-02-2008, 12:06 AM
...Rod Piazza...when he goes into his rap about Little Walter and Slim Harpo...[/rant]That rap struck me as questionable anway The two tunes are shuffles but beyond that I can't see much of a link.
HappyValley
02-02-2008, 01:07 AM
Memphis Update-Fresh off the presses- RickyKing w/ Mike Crandall band are FINALISTS! Just got off the phone w/Ricky minutes ago....Congrats & good luck, Rick!!
TwoFeets
02-02-2008, 02:02 AM
Ah man, I'm sitting here in Memphis and how the hell am I not the one to be the first to post that? LOL
Those guys SMOKED at Rumboogie tonight, just smoked the place. They deserve it!
mikelaw
02-02-2008, 10:29 AM
just talked to alec robby, he said you guys were killing it too! and of course mike was great as well. wish i could have been there.
did you make the finals rob???
TwoFeets
02-03-2008, 10:43 AM
did you make the finals rob???
Nope, we didn't make it through unfortunately. These guys were the finalists from our club.
http://dothedeacons.com/
Got word that this was the overall winner:
http://www.trampledunderfootkc.com/
dukeh62
02-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Congrats to Ricky, Rick, Mike and Feets for jobs well done.
TwoFeets
02-03-2008, 01:55 PM
Sorry for the pic quality but here's some shots from MCB's performance at Rumboogie:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/rickymike.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/rickymike2.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/ricky.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/ricky3.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/ricky2.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/harrington.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/harringtom.jpg
Stringmaster
02-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Wish I could have made the IBC--congrats to all. FYI, I put my Ghetto Stomp up on the emporium this morning for a good price--get your Holmstrom on!
DD
valcotone
02-03-2008, 02:30 PM
...speaking of, I used my Ghetto Stomp at a jam yesterday with a 100W solid state Fender amp and I am REALLY glad I brought it with me. It converted that big-ass stiff and clean amp into a raging 1950's valcotweedfenderthingy. Well, not really, but it was a huge improvement... haha. It was the first time I gave it a serious workout and was really impressed.
Schwalbe
02-03-2008, 03:13 PM
Congrats to Ricky, Rick, Mike and Feets for jobs well done.
+++1,000,000,000
:BEER
Wish I could have made the IBC--congrats to all. FYI, I put my Ghetto Stomp up on the emporium this morning for a good price--get your Holmstrom on!
DD
Check your PMs.
Schwalbe
02-03-2008, 03:38 PM
...speaking of, I used my Ghetto Stomp at a jam yesterday with a 100W solid state Fender amp and I am REALLY glad I brought it with me. It converted that big-ass stiff and clean amp into a raging 1950's valcotweedfenderthingy. Well, not really, but it was a huge improvement... haha. It was the first time I gave it a serious workout and was really impressed.
Yesterday I went to http://www.twintown.com/ and tried a Box Of Rock and a HAO Sole Pressure. The BOR came close but it didn't convince me to buy it. The Sole Pressure was dull, like a blanket over the amp. Neither pedal reacted well to hard picking on the bridge pup of the store's '50s MIM Strat. That may have had something to do with the Kustom and Laney student amps they park in their effects demo room...er...uh...closet. They had one of those Boss rack of pedals in there too, so I tried the Bassman and DR emulator boxes, ISH!
That Mexi Strat wasn't bad though
Swingblues
02-03-2008, 03:45 PM
Jamming with Enrico & Band, in October 07 - Padova / Italy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bz6l-g8i-4
All the best
Igor Prado
sideman
02-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Wow.
Scott Miller
02-03-2008, 09:46 PM
Damn, Igor!!! Wow indeed.
valcotone
02-04-2008, 02:34 AM
Igor.... nice stuff man!
Congrats to the Memphis crew(s), well done guys!!!
Here's a Monday morning wake up MP3... enjoy!
Junior Watson Hucklebucking in France on the Kim Wilson My Blues tour (http://www.kilback.net/tunes/JW_HuckleBuck_BordeauxFrance.mp3)
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Goldie295
02-04-2008, 03:04 AM
Yesterday I went to http://www.twintown.com/ and tried a Box Of Rock and a HAO Sole Pressure. The BOR came close but it didn't convince me to buy it. The Sole Pressure was dull, like a blanket over the amp. Neither pedal reacted well to hard picking on the bridge pup of the store's '50s MIM Strat. That may have had something to do with the Kustom and Laney student amps they park in their effects demo room...er...uh...closet. They had one of those Boss rack of pedals in there too, so I tried the Bassman and DR emulator boxes, ISH!
That Mexi Strat wasn't bad though
Try a LovePedal COT 50. It is the nuts. A genuine one knob tone machine.
Congrats to everyone in Memphis. You are privileged.
Lots of pics going around at the mo, so here are some more of mine. Sorry if it isn't very interesting but unexpectedly bumping into these guys in the States made my decade:
http://www.bluesfactory.co.uk/userimages/buddyguy.JPG
http://www.bluesfactory.co.uk/userimages/kidandersen.JPG
This man is the nuts !!
Cheers,
Phil
S.W.Erdnase
02-04-2008, 03:18 AM
Wait... Goldie... I thought you were the old cat in your band photos.
Schwalbe
02-04-2008, 07:47 AM
Jamming with Enrico & Band, in October 07 - Padova / Italy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bz6l-g8i-4
All the best
Igor Prado
Holy smokes!!
Goldie295
02-04-2008, 08:02 AM
Wait... Goldie... I thought you were the old cat in your band photos.
Sorry, no. I'm the...kitten ! (Does that work?)
Ron, said old cat, has been married for 35 (and counting) years and mainly plays harp.
Cheers,
Phil
safecracker
02-04-2008, 09:25 AM
Jamming with Enrico & Band, in October 07 - Padova / Italy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bz6l-g8i-4
All the best
Igor Prado
Fantastic playing Igor! Thanks, Shawn
Strat-O
02-04-2008, 09:30 AM
Say Ricky, what kind of guitar is that you're playing in those photos?
Great playing there Igor. What kind of guitar amps are those on stage? They don't have the proportions of a Bassman.
fretshop
02-04-2008, 11:17 AM
Memphis Update-Fresh off the presses- RickyKing w/ Mike Crandall band are FINALISTS! Just got off the phone w/Ricky minutes ago....Congrats & good luck, Rick!!
Congrats Ricky and Co. !!
Poppa Stoppa
02-04-2008, 02:48 PM
Go Ricky!
Swingblues
02-04-2008, 05:36 PM
Reply Strat-O
This amp is a Fender Twin Tweed Ressue. Kick ass AMP! I really like specially this of many enrico amps.
All the best
Igor
Strat-O
02-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Nice. That's what it looked like, but ya' never know! :AOK
straightblues
02-04-2008, 09:35 PM
A little Canned Heat history lesson from Fito.
http://www.happytrailershd.com/flashmovies/livingthebluesflash/
Strat-O
02-04-2008, 09:47 PM
Any of you guys play a Gibson 335 or 345 regularly?
Schwalbe
02-05-2008, 05:43 AM
Any of you guys play a Gibson 335 or 345 regularly?
Regularly? Yeah, last half dozen gigs or so. Why? I recently started using an ax of that type. It's taking some getting used to the humbuckers but the guitar plays extremely well. My drummer says it's the best sounding guitar I've got. I've found that rolling the neck tone down all the way and backing it's volume off to 9 - 9.5 while using both pups can approximate a P90 ballsy raunch, sort of, maybe. Of course I could be dreaming.
Killer job Friday Ricky, Rob !! Really inspiring ! It was cool hanging out. Who won the finals ?
Goldie295
02-05-2008, 06:42 AM
Another thread discussing Freddie King's P90 tone has got me thinking and I wanted to bounce something off of you guys.
I played an old original ’54 P90 Gibson a year or so ago and it sounded amazing, was very light etc. The person who put it into my hands for 15mins or so said a lot of the tone has to do with the age of the wood, etc.
So if that is the case, hypothetically, if I ever wanted to cop Freddie’s P90 tone should I really buy (not that I could ever afford to do so) an old Gibson Gold Top?
If his guitar was only a few years old when he did the P90 recordings, would it have had the characteristics we associate with a 50s guitar that has aged for half a century?
Hypothetically, should I actually buy a new (properly made to correct specs) Gold Top to get close to the actual sound and feel of the instrument he used?
Similarly, his amp. Hypothetically, should I buy a new Vicky rather than a vintage Fender bassman (again, not that I could ever afford to do so) - or whatever he used back then - to get that sound?
I suppose what I am asking is, do we really or correctly need vintage gear to properly reenact the blues 'civil war'?? And further, if you use vintage gear, are you in fact cheating by having the benefit of the ageing process that the original guys & gals didn't have - a bit like using a pedal or something?
Cheers,
Phil
safecracker
02-05-2008, 06:52 AM
A little Canned Heat history lesson from Fito.
http://www.happytrailershd.com/flashmovies/livingthebluesflash/
That was cool! Thanks, Shawn
monstermike
02-05-2008, 07:37 AM
So if that is the case, hypothetically, if I ever wanted to cop Freddie’s P90 tone should I really buy (not that I could ever afford to do so) an old Gibson Gold Top?
The idea as perpetuated by the Les Paul Forum is that Gibson was using "old growth wood" back in the 50s - trees that had been around for hundreds of years, with whatever characteristics that trees develop with age - and now that most of those trees have been cut down, the new wood is "greener." So even when new, the old Gibsons felt and sounded different (which supposedly explains how the "vintage sound" on old recordings with then-new guitars matches up with the older vintage guitars today).
I don't know about that, but old guitars always feel as if they resonate a little differently to me...
Dave Orban
02-05-2008, 08:24 AM
A little Canned Heat history lesson from Fito.
http://www.happytrailershd.com/flashmovies/livingthebluesflash/
That was WONDERFUL!
pete kanaras
02-05-2008, 08:24 AM
suppose what I am asking is, do we really or correctly need vintage gear to properly reenact the blues 'civil war'??
pulleeeze. i am gonna completely restrain myself and just say pulleeeze
Dave Orban
02-05-2008, 08:27 AM
suppose what I am asking is, do we really or correctly need vintage gear to properly reenact the blues 'civil war'??
No.
Next question?
fretshop
02-05-2008, 09:43 AM
The idea as perpetuated by the Les Paul Forum is that Gibson was using "old growth wood" back in the 50s - trees that had been around for hundreds of years, with whatever characteristics that trees develop with age - and now that most of those trees have been cut down, the new wood is "greener." So even when new, the old Gibsons felt and sounded different (which supposedly explains how the "vintage sound" on old recordings with then-new guitars matches up with the older vintage guitars today).
I don't know about that, but old guitars always feel as if they resonate a little differently to me...
But...were we around when those guitars first left the factory ? Were we able to pick them up and play them while they were settling in from the manufacturing process...which is called "wood shock" ? What about the lacquer...etc etc. I don't buy into it. That rumor about old growth wood is only partially correct.
Dave Orban
02-05-2008, 09:49 AM
Having owned a fair number of "holy grail" guitars back in the day, my experience was that some were great, and others were just "so-so"...
Pretty much the same as contemporary production guitars. In fact, I'd bet that the odds of getting a "good" player are actually better today.
It's the Player not the axe.
Dave Orban
02-05-2008, 10:00 AM
It's the Player not the axe.More often than not!
HappyValley
02-05-2008, 10:12 AM
In regard to current production & Custom Shop Gibsons, (& Fenders as well),we all have experienced their respective lack of quality control and short cuts; I've owned the new 'uns and have played & owned the old ones and there is just no comparison, IMHO. As I've discussed with DukeH62, I have a REAL problem with buying a $1800- $2K + "Limited Issue Custom Shop Relic Vintage New Old Stock Super cal-a -fragalistic Super Guitar with tags and 50's bumperstickers " only to own it for awhile and fall out of love with it, feel the need to spend MORE $$ on upgrades like RS guitars harnesses/pots and Lollar or Don Mare Pups. These guitars should be flawless out of the box. Which isn't to say you can't get a sound out of 'em, of course a good player can - but is it "THE" sound, like the aforementioned Freddie King thing? Nope.
If I'm dumping mucho deneiro into a guitar, I'd just as soon buy the right wood & parts over a period of time & have some one (who knows how) put it together. Take the re-sale risk, I say.
Goldie295
02-05-2008, 10:16 AM
suppose what I am asking is, do we really or correctly need vintage gear to properly reenact the blues 'civil war'??
pulleeeze. i am gonna completely restrain myself and just say pulleeeze
Restrain yourself from what Pete?
Half the talk on this board is about vintage gear etc and I seem to spend half my life hankering after some amazingly priced 50s this, or 60s that, as I try to get closer and closer to the sounds I hear on old records. Suddenly, a thought came to my mind which would head off such hankerings (and hey, maybe save me a few quid) and I was interested to see who agreed with me that vintage gear really isn't required.
No.
Next question?
Dave, no next question - my brain already hurts enough from working this small matter out...
I'm selling all my old stuff before people realise what I just worked out and while they are still willing to overpay for it. Will use the money to buy something nice for my lady...
...assuming I get any change from a '54 Gibson Gold Top reissue.... :AOK
...btw can you phone Gibson to specify 'old wood' for the build ??
<don't worry Pete - that was a gag> !! :dude
Best,
Phil
TwoFeets
02-05-2008, 10:31 AM
I was just at the Gibson factory when we were in Memphis; and this is the factory where they make all the hollow and semi-hollow guitars. In the showcase out front, I played about everything on the wall with an F-hole and/or a P90 in it. There wasn't a single instrument that knocked my socks off. Everything was inordinately heavy, the lacquer seemed unusually thick, and the frets were all like freakin' railroad ties. It just seems like with today's technology it wouldn't be rocket surgery to make a reasonably close facsimile to the original 50's instruments, but the new ones just come up short.
Shoot, I played some of the $5,000 John Lennon Les Paul Juniors, with the Charlie Christian pickup in the neck and P90 in the bridge, and even after they had to hack out a big chunk of wood to fit the P90, and without a maple cap, those guitars had to have weighed 9.5 or 10 lbs.
But going back to the original question, I think you can get closer to 50's tone (as the guitars sounded when they were recorded, new, in the 50's) with an actual 50's guitar, than with a newer recreation. I think the differences caused by age-mellowing and drifting of tolerances in the old instruments is minimal compared to having an entirely new guitar made of much newer materials and manufacturing processes.
straightblues
02-05-2008, 10:40 AM
I like everyone else here has chased this question for years. I found peace with it when I got my first set of Don Mare pickups. Don's pickups with vintage caps just nails those 50's and 60's tones, even with new wood. Once I discovered his pickups, I have pretty much ended my vintage guitar search. Wood and the sum of the parts adds a lot also, but the right pickups will get you almost all of the way there.
valcotone
02-05-2008, 12:06 PM
Hypothetically, should I actually buy a new (properly made to correct specs) Gold Top to get close to the actual sound and feel of the instrument he used?
Phil,
Here's my take on this age-old question... you're asking whether it's worth seeking out vintage instruments for their tone and feel. Generally, I say yes, but...
Speaking of nailing Freddie's tone from those recordings has more to it than just the guitar of course... his playing, the amp, microphones, the studio, mixing/mastering process, etc. But if you could get ALL of those things correct then I think most of us would notice the difference between the tone of an original '54 Gold Top and a new RI guitar. But when there are so many variables, just the guitar alone might not make enough of a difference to really matter that much.
However, given a choice - I prefer the tone, feel, weight, and vibe of old guitars. In my experience, vintage bolt-on solid bodies (Strats, teles) are easier to approximate with new builds, but new archtops and les pauls are further from their heritage. And the H44 Stratotone vs. the new reissues... not even close if the reports are accurate (and I'm sure they are).
nmontz
02-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Ok....I know a lot of the tone is with the player. I'm sure I sound like myself no matter what. But feel wise I think the vintage guitars are heads and tails over new production stuff. They just ring like a bell, and they feel so organic and resonate. That right there is priceless for me. Granted most of the old wood I have played were owned by players, not collectors so they were well loved and broke in, and were probably picked for their great tone in the first place. I'd buy quite a few vintage guitars if I could afford it...which I can't now that prices have gotten crazy. I really pucker up when I think about dropping over 5k in a guitar.
Since I couldn't afford the vintage guitars I wanted I did go out and buy an r6 and a 56cs strat, and I upgraded the pickups, pots and caps. I hand picked them out of at least 5 models of the same guitar. I'm generally happy and hope they wear and age into the vintage approximations of those guitars. The probably sound good...but....right now they really don't sound or feel like the vintage guitars of the same model I've played.
All my amps are vintage and I own a few vintage guitars but in all cases I bought them because they where cheaper than a new one or botique amp of the same thing. With the vintage market in the last 10 years I have made out pretty well. It would be unwise to buy or make a guitar, build an amp or otherwise if you have close to the funds to buy an original or vintage model. A perfect example of this would be sideman's ex 53' goldtop. He sold it 6 months later for almost twice he had in it....now it's value has more than tripled that value. Thats quite a return in just a few years. Another example would be my 58' pro I paid $800 for not all that long ago. I bought it only because it was half a new vickie. Another example of my poor decision. While waiting a month or so on a tweed bandmaster that Jay Rosen had to get back from a recording studio. I got antsy and decided to buy a historic es-295 for the same amount. When I traded the es-295 I got out of it what it put into it. My money would have tripled if I would have waited on the bandmaster. If trends continue to hold...vintage gear is much better than money in the bank. You get to use it and value wise for quality gear is doing much better than the stockmarket. It's not necessarly a very liquid asset though. With my limited gear funds I have to make my money count....and that means for now buying vintage whenever possible.
Strat-O
02-05-2008, 12:51 PM
Phil,
Here's my take on this age-old question... you're asking whether it's worth seeking out vintage instruments for their tone and feel. Generally, I say yes, but...
Speaking of nailing Freddie's tone from those recordings has more to it than just the guitar of course... his playing, the amp, microphones, the studio, mixing/mastering process, etc. But if you could get ALL of those things correct then I think most of us would notice the difference between the tone of an original '54 Gold Top and a new RI guitar. But when there are so many variables, just the guitar alone might not make enough of a difference to really matter that much.
However, given a choice - I prefer the tone, feel, weight, and vibe of old guitars. In my experience, vintage bolt-on solid bodies (Strats, teles) are easier to approximate with new builds, but new archtops and les pauls are further from their heritage. And the H44 Stratotone vs. the new reissues... not even close if the reports are accurate (and I'm sure they are).
I like this response best!! :BEER
I just like guitars that look cool and sound cool. :RoCkIn
But speaking of 335/345 Gibsons, they don't seem too popular with the classic blues crowd. I was just wondering why, and if anybody around here used one regularly. Dude from BB and the Blues Shacks uses a 335 regularly...apparently.
jimfog
02-05-2008, 12:51 PM
I think a LOT of the "vintage tone" we love is as much, if not more, the old mics, analog tape, compressors, recording methods, etc......
If you played King's Goldtop back then, you might surprised how "cold and harsh" it seems vs what we're used to hearing on the recordings.
Amazing how much that recording style rounds off the tones and takes away the "buzz".
Case in point is Jr. Watson cd's vs some live shows I have..........he always sounds wonderful, but the modern digitally recorded live stuff doesn't have the vibe we associate with his tone.
It's a HUGE equation that people avoid when chasing these sounds, I believe.
- Jim
Strat-O
02-05-2008, 01:22 PM
Not to change the subject or anything but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_rd8y8A2oE&feature=related
I like what StraightBlues says,
GOOD Pickups (Don Mare, Lollar, Van Zandt, Fralin,)
and good caps, Thanks, Sean. Can just about nail it, and a Great AMP don't hurt.
Last night at the Jam, Johnny Cat was wailin and Chris Brown did a Freddie King tune and nailed his tone on a Strat body I sold him, not even sure what pups, and a 67 Vibrolux...go figure??
pete kanaras
02-05-2008, 02:40 PM
ain't no thing, really. my opinion in a nutshell is that the whole gear thing has gotten blown WAY out of proportion. however, after all this is the Gear Page sooo....
if you can play the bag, you can hang. that's my attitude: keep the focus on the music. show up with a cyber twin for all i care! i know that's a probably a minority opinion around here but to each their own. gotta a great valco a killer es 350 with a real outboard tank? great. ya don't? man don't sweat it, play. that's just me....
Scott Miller
02-05-2008, 03:02 PM
"...Chris Brown did a Freddie King tune and nailed his tone..."
Chris can nail that tone no matter what he plays through. When he plays through my Dr. Z, I've thought about dumping super glue on my amp knobs after he dials it in, but then I remember it's the player...
Strat-O
02-05-2008, 03:29 PM
there's a great video on You Tube of Kid Andersen killing a Freddie King tune...Remington Ride or something...with his goldtop.
I would think its obvious to anyone with any experience playing music that you don't have to use the exact gear someone else does to cop a tone. I think we can all agree that the gear is a big part of the fun.
dudeunitx5000
02-05-2008, 03:32 PM
I was getting some pretty serious tones at Chick Hall's Surf Club last night with a 1956 ES-175D, an early 60s masonite Silvertone, and a Tone King Meteor.
All you Maryland cats ought to go by Chick Hall's Surf Club in Bladensburg on a Monday or Wednesday night this month. This may be the last month for live music there. I am in the house band every Monday and Wednesday. Y'all can jam with us. www.chickhallssurfclub.com The website hasn't been updated in awhile. Jams start around nine. And if you want to hear the most amazing playing I have ever heard go on a Tuesday night and see Chick Hall, Jr.
Swingblues
02-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Somebody knows about the new harmony, where I buy one? Some possibility of lefty models?
Tks Guys!
Igor Prado
valcotone
02-05-2008, 05:12 PM
Somebody knows about the new harmony, where I buy one? Some possibility of lefty models?
Tks Guys!
Igor Prado
hi Igor, their new website is here: http://www.harmonyguitars.com/ (http://www.harmonyguitars.com/ProductHome.asp?pl=vintage)
You can see a list of dealers (http://www.harmonyguitars.com/dealers.asp) so maybe you could contact one and ask? I don't know about left-handed models... good luck!
valcotone
02-05-2008, 05:14 PM
ain't no thing, really. my opinion in a nutshell is that the whole gear thing has gotten blown WAY out of proportion. however, after all this is the Gear Page sooo....
if you can play the bag, you can hang. that's my attitude: keep the focus on the music. show up with a cyber twin for all i care! i know that's a probably a minority opinion around here but to each their own. gotta a great valco a killer es 350 with a real outboard tank? great. ya don't? man don't sweat it, play. that's just me....
So true Pete. The music is what it's really all about. And I also agree with Strat-O that the gear is part of the fun and enjoyment of making the music.
Strat-O
02-05-2008, 05:33 PM
Great rendition of this tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDO7biXDMHE
Not Remington Ride though. There's a great DVD of Nick Curran and Dave Biller covering a couple of Freddie instrumentals too.
AndreasA
02-05-2008, 07:07 PM
Hi all,
I was wondering if you could help me out on this one. I have realized that it would make everything a whole lot easier if my bandmembers and I had some kind of terminology to describe differet blues grooves. Now I always have to refere to a particular song or hum to get the message across. Of course we could just make our own convention, but why not use existing expressions.
I have come across expressions as BB King shuffle, flat tire shuffle, backwards shuffle, Jimi Bott shuffle, upside down shuffle, spread, Eddie Taylor spread, knocking-on shuffle, march, sluffle, box and push...
Would any of you guys help me out making some kind of list where each expression is explained (e.g. by reference to songs)?
I know it has been debated once in a while here however, the discussions somewhat went over my head.
Andreas
you got a lot of em, Lumpty is Portland lingo for a box.
Flat Tire is a backwards shuffle.
Double Shuffle, ala early BB KIng
Tramp Groove
AndreasA
02-05-2008, 10:57 PM
you got a lot of em, Lumpty is Portland lingo for a box.
Flat Tire is a backwards shuffle.
Double Shuffle, ala early BB KIng
Tramp Groove
Hi KBR, thanks for the reply. Yes, I listed a lot of the expressions however, the problem is that I don't understand them. :-S
- Could you give examples of flat tire and tramp groove?
I guess it has to be spelled out explicitly before I get it. One of the things that puzzles me is that the terms can refere as well to the drum groove as to to the notes playes by guitars etc. I really appreciate any help. Below I have listed the few that I think I have an idea about.
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uphill box = uptown shuffle: R-R-5-5-b7-b7-oct-oct, "Let Me Love You"
downhill box = downtown shuffle = humpty dumpty: R-R-oct-oct-b7-b7-5-5
double shuffle: drummer plays both hands unison, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awW8sDGKg9w, "Please Don't Lie To Me"
spread = E. Taylor spread: "She's Tough"
flat tire = backwards shuffle: pronounced off-beat/back beat strokes (e.g. the rythm guitar in Pride & Joy). Jimmy Reed's original version of "Baby what you want me to do" has a bit of a flattire sound? At least concerning the guitar parts. Some T-bone back beat cord work.
musicofanatic5
02-06-2008, 01:57 AM
Freddy tone: anybody mentioned picks? Manditory: metal thumb and fingerpick. To me the scaping of metal on the strings in his pick attack and the sound of those two picks alternating is what makes Freddy King sound like Freddy King.
Vinnidge gtrs: In general, I like how they feel, play, sound, look, smell, everything. I also like vinnidge clothing (not for the smell, smartasses), vinnidge cars (they can smell good!), vinnidge movies, vinnidge records, vinnidge wine, and right now I'm digging a somewhat vinnidge (well, she's older than me!) chick, who really smells good!. Can you detect a pattern here? It's the sh*t I like and I swear, I was born at least twenty-five years too late.
Do I think new gtrs suck (as pertains to the question of 'can I get Freddy's tone with an R4')? Well, it is my not-even-remotely-humble opinion that new copies (reissues, whatever) mostly do suck as a result of available materials (I'm siding with MMike here, George), corporate mentalities, and an obvious lack of desire to actually recreate, with any real accuracy, the classic gtrs. Anyone compared a new ES-5 to a real one? Puh-leeze!!! And am I allowed an "Icouldaf*ckintoldya" on the "new Harmony's"? Sheesh, y'all are hopeful, I can say that about ya!
What new gtrs (under, let's say, oh, $7,000) don't suck? Ones that ain't tryna be a slavish copy of something that they ain't. Somedays, I think I'd sell some old gtrs to get one of those Thorn Jr90 things!! Whatta gtr!! That, plus metal finger and thumb picks and any decent tube amp, and I'll play ya some FreddyGoddamKing tone! Hell, I'll do it on my ko-ree-un Riviera! Cover yer ears!
MikeLaw: Get me about $2,500 start-up cash, and I'll spit out a run of 25 poplar H-44 carcasses. What's the "new Harmony" pretend H-44 joke retailing for? A short run of these would hafta retail for at least $1,500 each, completed. Dunno if there's a real market.
Hey, don't get all excited, 'cause I'm not really "back". I like being here a lot better when I'm mostly not here (and I'm sure it's plenty mutual!).
S.W.Erdnase
02-06-2008, 02:33 AM
Flat Tire is a backwards shuffle.
LOL. That doesn't help. He wants specific song examples to help understand what the feel means.
Actually, when not playing with my own band I'm in the same jackpot. With my own band I can name most any song and they know the feel. Like, "It's in A and it's like 'That's What You Do To Me', from the five." Try saying that at a blues jam and you get cow eyes.
But I can't give you the actual definition of the feel.
Dave Orban
02-06-2008, 05:34 AM
A clip or Youtube example of each rhythm style would be helpful.
monstermike
02-06-2008, 06:23 AM
Flat Tire - Bobby Bland's "I Don't Want No Woman," the version of "Every Day I Have the Blues" from B.B.'s Live at the Regal
B.B. King shuffle - So many different shuffles! Are we talking "Please Love Me?" "You Upset Me Baby?" "Walking Dr. Bill?" Either way, listen to B.B. as much as you can.
Tramp groove - "Tramp" by Lowell Fulson, "You Belong To Me" by Magic Sam
Spread, march, pump, Eddie Taylor - Jimmy Reed's "High And Lonesome," Robert Johnson/Magic Sam's "Sweet Home Chicago," half of the early T-Birds' catalog
Box shuffle - "It Takes Time" by Otis Rush on Cobra, "Let Me Love You Baby" by Buddy Guy
I think what makes a great player is how well he plays + his tone. Where would Fats be without a gibson. Or where would Ronnie Earl be without a strat.The instrument can make your signature. A great player is a great player regardless of his instrument, but a great instrument or amp can really accentuate what a player is trying to say.
When you replace caps what would you guys recommend ? What kind of caps ?
fretshop
02-06-2008, 07:17 AM
MikeLaw: Get me about $2,500 start-up cash, and I'll spit out a run of 25 poplar H-44 carcasses. What's the "new Harmony" pretend H-44 joke retailing for? A short run of these would hafta retail for at least $1,500 each, completed. Dunno if there's a real market. (Posted by Musicofanatic5).
I did not respond to Mike Law's post for a very specific reason.
Dave Orban
02-06-2008, 07:48 AM
Get me about $2,500 start-up cash, and I'll spit out a run of 25 poplar H-44 carcasses. What's the "new Harmony" pretend H-44 joke retailing for? A short run of these would hafta retail for at least $1,500 each, completed. Dunno if there's a real market.
I was thinking the same thing. But, actually, I would make some improvements (aesthetic and otherwise) to the design.
monstermike
02-06-2008, 07:59 AM
When you replace caps what would you guys recommend ? What kind of caps ?
I always liked this one:
http://liverpoolbeatlescene.com/images/john_in_beatle_cap_standing.jpg
TwoFeets
02-06-2008, 08:07 AM
OK - I'll play!
I remember one time, I took a whole box of 4 or 5 rolls and dropped a big rock on it. I'm surprised I can still hear.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/582360.jpg
lol !! Well if those will make a difference why not ? I'll just wear a hat on stage and get a cap gun.
bluesjuke
02-06-2008, 08:56 AM
A little Canned Heat history lesson from Fito.
http://www.happytrailershd.com/flashmovies/livingthebluesflash/
Thanks, I enjoyed that!
Strat-O
02-06-2008, 09:13 AM
I was thinking the same thing. But, actually, I would make some improvements (aesthetic and otherwise) to the design.
Well now, what would be the point in buliding "correct" H44's if they weren't actually "correct". Seems to me that's how the conversation got to this point to begin with.
:bkw
DrSax
02-06-2008, 09:15 AM
Question for you blues cats: Do y'all have favorite sites covering technique/tips/chord forms etc. for jump blues? I'm new to this kind of playing and could use the help (been doing alot of listening, too, of course). Thanks.
:BluesBros
Schwalbe
02-06-2008, 09:28 AM
Hey, don't get all excited, 'cause I'm not really "back". I like being here a lot better when I'm mostly not here (and I'm sure it's plenty mutual!).
Aw c'mon, hang with us once in a while. We like ya more den ya might tink der buddy!
I think what makes a great player is how well he plays + his tone. Where would Fats be without a gibson. Or where would Ronnie Earl be without a strat.The instrument can make your signature. A great player is a great player regardless of his instrument, but a great instrument or amp can really accentuate what a player is trying to say.
When you replace caps what would you guys recommend ? What kind of caps ?
In what? For guitar caps, I can't hear a difference when changing materials. Values? Yeah seems to make a difference, I like 'em smaller than stock.
Amps? Not much need if they don't leak. Even the much maligned brown turd type sound just fine to me. If they need replacing Maloory M150s or any of the other Pacific Rim made yellow axials.
Flat Tire - Bobby Bland's "I Don't Want No Woman," the version of "Every Day I Have the Blues" from B.B.'s Live at the Regal
Yep
B.B. King shuffle - So many different shuffles! Are we talking "Please Love Me?" "You Upset Me Baby?" "Walking Dr. Bill?" Either way, listen to B.B. as much as you can.
??. Yes listen to BB every day.
Tramp groove - "Tramp" by Lowell Fulson, "You Belong To Me" by Magic Sam
We call that a Boogaloo up here.
Spread, march, pump, Eddie Taylor - Jimmy Reed's "High And Lonesome," Robert Johnson/Magic Sam's "Sweet Home Chicago," half of the early T-Birds' catalog
Yep
Box shuffle - "It Takes Time" by Otis Rush on Cobra, "Let Me Love You Baby" by Buddy Guy
Yep, up box I V bVII octave. down bow I octave bVII V.
In a strat. So lower cap values = bassier tone ? Do you have to match the pots and caps values to the pickups values also ?
Dave Orban
02-06-2008, 10:01 AM
Well now, what would be the point in buliding "correct" H44's if they weren't actually "correct". Seems to me that's how the conversation got to this point to begin with.
:bkwFor the SOUND.
Aesthetically, I think they look retarded. And playability wise, they usually require some major setup work to get them playable. But they sound great.
So, I would take the basic recipe, and improve aesthetics and playability, for MY taste. That's all I'm saying. ;)
Scott Miller
02-06-2008, 10:27 AM
"Do y'all have favorite sites covering technique/tips/chord forms etc. for jump blues?"
This will get you started:
http://www.swingblues.com/
For something a little more challenging, a Charlie Christian tutorial at:
http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/hansen/Charlie/
Strat-O
02-06-2008, 10:57 AM
For the SOUND.
Aesthetically, I think they look retarded. And playability wise, they usually require some major setup work to get them playable. But they sound great.
So, I would take the basic recipe, and improve aesthetics and playability, for MY taste. That's all I'm saying. ;)
I see.
fretshop
02-06-2008, 11:00 AM
For the SOUND.
Aesthetically, I think they look retarded. And playability wise, they usually require some major setup work to get them playable. But they sound great.
So, I would take the basic recipe, and improve aesthetics and playability, for MY taste. That's all I'm saying. ;)
Re: the H-44, I am absolutely in agreement. I'm in the process of cutting the wings off of my H-44 and gluing them back onto the neck billet, with the neck at a slight back angle in order to improve the action. Then I'll replicate the finish, electronics, and pickguard. The instrument is trashed and has a crap clear urethane finish on it, so I'm not even hesitating to do the surgery.
Note: I AM NOT creating a forgery of a patented design that is again in production and protected by law. I am restoring a damaged instrument I have, and correcting a structural issue. I am also adding an truss rod to the neck, that will adjust from under the pick guard.
mikelaw
02-06-2008, 11:21 AM
It is rare that I read things and realize how very true someone's post is. This post from another thread wraps up my thoughts 115%!!!!! I agree with the post and think it would be beneficial of all fellow west coast blues thread readers to join us and to finally experience the sound that was in your head all these years..........................welcome to the house of good tone:
After extensive comparisons, I've found that merely placing a blue jewel light in your favorite amp will help with clarity and punch, as well as emphasizing the consonant harmonic series, much in the way a Class A amplifier does. While Leo (among others) i