West Coast Blues Thread - Version 2.0

[nmontz]

I could listen to JLV 24/7. Love the opening lick.....I just checked and I can still make that reach without a capo. Gonna have to remember that one. Also loved the big bend at 9:41....I like to stick that one in if I can. Seems like I always pick something cooler than hell up listening to Jimmie play.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcvd8h0YqrM

This clip has Billy Gibbons and JLV, Billy telling a great story about the dollar Store in the intro. G.E. Smith shows off some creamy sustain...

[Schwalbe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcvd8h0YqrM

This clip has Billy Gibbons and JLV, Billy telling a great story about the dollar Store in the intro. G.E. Smith shows off some creamy sustain...
Jimmy's the greatest.

[Dave Orban]

Cool clip!

[jetlag]

I could listen to JLV 24/7. Love the opening lick.....I just checked and I can still make that reach without a capo. Gonna have to remember that one. Also loved the big bend at 9:41....I like to stick that one in if I can. Seems like I always pick something cooler than hell up listening to Jimmie play.

Yeah Noel, that lick at 9:41 is about my favorite all time lick. If you want to hear the original source of it, listen to BB King's Crown side "sweet little angel" - it's on that Flair double album CD with "singin the blues" and "the Blues". I think BB has a tele or strat, it's real bright and thin sounding. JLV also used that lick on the Brothers album with SRV on that slow blues tune they played where they are "fighting" over the guitar. Anyway, I just love that lick. It's the only one I know that covers a step and a half AND is three or four distinct notes. Just shattering stuff.

[jetlag]

Oh yeah, and I agree 100%: G.E. Smith really sucked ass there didn't he? Amazing because he was backing JLV up pretty tastefully (for a NAMM show). I wonder if fender was pissed because Jimmie wasn't using his signature strat up there.

['56 Merc]

Great JLV clip. Whata way to start my Sunday. It flat a$$ just doen't get any better than that. Thanks!

[pete kanaras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjX47zOmBxg

nice to see jimmie playing with a pick again on that slow blues. my man.
if it were'nt for him i would'nt even be playing guitar, i'd be a bassist. there, i said it. my biggest influence, hands down.

[Scott Miller]

The infamous Dollar Store clip. Over there in the general arena, there was a long thread about Jimmie's tone on that clip, under the title "Worst tone ever," the discussion of which can basically be summed up as: It SUCKED, no it DIDN'T, yes it DID, no it DIDN'T, DID, DIDN'T DID DIDN'T DID DIDN'T DID DIDN'TDIDDIDN'TDIDDIDN'TDID *you ignorant FOOL* *yo MAMA!!!*

[Echo Are]

I wish the mix was a little more even in the JLV slow blues clip. Talk about having one's guitar way too out front:D.

"I was down-own at the crossroads..." BDANG DWANNG DEEUR DERDER DERDAANNG!

JLV's guitar kinda jumped out outta my computer's speakers when I first played the clip,lol.

[safecracker]

I hate spamming you guys, but I just listed my new Uncle Spot reverb unit on ebay along with some other gear to pay my bills. Thought someone might want it. It sounds incredible. My ebay name is Harpalishus. Thanks, Shawn

[TwoFeets]

Can you guys recommend some cool instructional books/CD's? (DVD's and video OK too but these are a little more unwieldy to rewind and play along with, plus the books that go along with them are usually lacking)

Just picked up the Blues Turnarounds book/CD that Rusty Zinn collaborated on and I'm finding it pretty useful.

The problem I've found with a lot of the instructionals is that, where I'm at with my playing, many of them cover ground I've already covered, so I end up with 85% rehash and 15% stuff I can actually use. Basically I need to cover from intermediate to advanced stuff and leave out all the basics.

[jimfog]

Feets.......

Did you see the stuff I posted a while back?

Might be a couple tidbits in there for you.

http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/blueslessons/

[hasserl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcvd8h0YqrM

This clip has Billy Gibbons and JLV, Billy telling a great story about the dollar Store in the intro. G.E. Smith shows off some creamy sustain...

That was tooo coooollll :cool:

Great stuff, the contrast in styles and tone was interesting.

Got to love all three of those guys. Haven't heard much from GE Smith lately, what's he been up to? Has anyone played with as many greats as that guy has?

[hasserl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjX47zOmBxg

nice to see jimmie playing with a pick again on that slow blues. my man.
if it were'nt for him i would'nt even be playing guitar, i'd be a bassist. there, i said it. my biggest influence, hands down.

I've been working on my JV style finger picking, that upswept slapping motion with the first finger, and occaisonal plucking with the thumb and down stroke with the back of the nails. It aint easy.

[pete kanaras]

I've been working on my JV style finger picking, that upswept slapping motion with the first finger, and occaisonal plucking with the thumb and down stroke with the back of the nails. It aint easy.

it certainly is'nt. it'll come though, stick with it.

[Goldie295]

Can you guys recommend some cool instructional books/CD's? (DVD's and video OK too but these are a little more unwieldy to rewind and play along with, plus the books that go along with them are usually lacking)

Just picked up the Blues Turnarounds book/CD that Rusty Zinn collaborated on and I'm finding it pretty useful.

The problem I've found with a lot of the instructionals is that, where I'm at with my playing, many of them cover ground I've already covered, so I end up with 85% rehash and 15% stuff I can actually use. Basically I need to cover from intermediate to advanced stuff and leave out all the basics.

Feets,

I have PM'd you.

Cheers,
Phil

[fretshop]

That was tooo coooollll :cool:

Great stuff, the contrast in styles and tone was interesting.

Got to love all three of those guys. Haven't heard much from GE Smith lately, what's he been up to? Has anyone played with as many greats as that guy has?

George "G.E." is largely responsible for my breaking into the Jingle and commercials market. Great guy.

[fretshop]

I've been working on my JV style finger picking, that upswept slapping motion with the first finger, and occaisonal plucking with the thumb and down stroke with the back of the nails. It aint easy.

it certainly is'nt. it'll come though, stick with it.

I get into that style on certain arrangements, and learned a trick from Corey Harris...I thing it's called Sally Hanson Nylon Nail Builder...or whatever. It toughens up the nails for the picking / snapping , etc.

[Dave Orban]

I get into that style on certain arrangements, and learned a trick from Corey Harris...I thing it's called Sally Hanson Nylon Nail Builder...or whatever. It toughens up the nails for the picking / snapping , etc.
I've used that... works OK, but not great, at least on my flimsy nails. LOL!

[TwoFeets]

Feets.......

Did you see the stuff I posted a while back?

Might be a couple tidbits in there for you.

http://www.jimfogarty.com/tunes/blueslessons/

Yes I definitely did and I'm digesting that also. Thanks!

[Echo Are]

George "G.E." is largely responsible for my breaking into the Jingle and commercials market. Great guy.

I wish G.E. Smith was still in the Saturday Night Live house band. For a time in the mid to late 1980s he seemed to be the most visible guitarist carrying the torch for fat tubey tones and vintage gear. If you watch an old SNL show from around 1987 or '88, G.E.'ll be crankin' a Tele through a piggyback Bassman and getting big wonderful timbres, while the "musical guests" will be workin' their Roland JC 120s, Yamaha SPX90s, super Strats, and Mesa/Boogie Mark IIIs, basically the oh-so-eighties chorused clean tone/20-gain-stage wee-wee-wee dirt tone rigs. Thank God for G.E.

[fretshop]

Hey,

Sitting at home on and snowy icey day....

Been thinking I want a dedicated "jazz" guitar for a while now............and tried a few in my price range (cheap), to no avail.

BUT......I just dragged out my Eastwood Tuxedo, threw in the neck position and rolled down the tone a wee bit...........and I'll be damned if it isn't EXACTLY what I've been looking for. Instant Grant Green, Charlie Christian, Barney Kessel goodness........fat, but still retains clarity, and it FEELS real nice.

I'll tell you, I bought the Tux on a lark.......just expecting a fun axe I'd rarely play, but it's become my mainstay. At the Jerzees jam on Sunday, I thought the stand-out guits, tone-wise, were George's tele (meant to get the lowdown on that one) and Orban's 175...........but the Tux definitely was right there, IMO.

Always nice when we can appreciate what we already have..........and rare!

Jim,

That particular Tele is my favorite. It's a light wieght, very old swamp ash body that I bought from USA Tommy many years ago. The neck is a slightly over sized "C" with a very flat radius and #6000 Frets. Pickups:
Neck: Fretshop version of Twang King neck pup...custom wound to 9.0K ohms. Nick Adams has the exact pickup in his Tele.

Bridge : Fralin 5% overwound bridge. Very punchy and gritty sounding. .039mf tone cap. will be replacing with a .033mf. 250pf ceramic treble bleed cap and OEM 60's Stackpole 250 pots. 5 position super switch wired for stock bridge and neck use, in series bridge and neck, standard out of phase, and in series out of phase. Strings: .011s

Louis Tremblelux amp with OEM tubes including matched RCA 6v6's. speaker: Celestion G12H-30 Heritage.

I received about a dozen e-mails and calls about the Lap steel / Amp : 1947 Supro Supreme with "string through pickup". Wiring converted to standard configuration. Pots: Got rid of the 50K CTS and installed Fender 250K Audio. Amp : Ampeg J12-T with stock speaker and J.J. EL-84s. Preamp tubes : Sovtek 12AX7-LPS.

Western Swing : E-6 tuning

Sleep Walk & Standard Blues : open E

The second Lap Steel: 1955 Silvertone Standard with very hot speed bump pickup. Wiring : Same as Supro. I use the Silvertone (with a guitar strap) for bottle neck and standard slide work....for gut bucket slide work it kills any regular electric guitar with its gritty, growling ultra sustaining tone. Hits the amp front end hard and sweet.

Tunings: Open G or D mostly. Strings on both steels .015 .018 .020 .028 .038. .049 D'addario.

BTW: you caused quite a stir with the Tux. What a fantastic, nice and light, compact instrument. Easy on the shoulders and the neck / fingerboard were ultra comfortable.
It sounded like a good archtop the way you had it dialed in.

[fretshop]

Jim

Depending on Mike's and my work schedule, I'm going to try and swing by (pun intended) Saturday evening to catch y'all at Jerzee's. If it's a go, I'll be spending the night at Mike's place, then we're looking at checking out the audio and video from last Sunday.

Lou said you can use the tremblelux if its not sold by the end of this week.

[hasserl]

I've been working on my JV style finger picking, that upswept slapping motion with the first finger, and occaisonal plucking with the thumb and down stroke with the back of the nails. It aint easy.

it certainly is'nt. it'll come though, stick with it.

Went "pickless" yesterday. Loaded up my gear with a Strat I haven't used in awhile, I meant to throw some picks into the case, but forgot to. Got to the jam and had no picks, oh well (maybe I subconsciously left them home to force myself to go without). Darn near wore the tip off my index finger! I played four sets, all pickless. It felt a bit clumsy at times, but there were some good moments too.

[zappafrank]

A nod and shout out to Nick Adams (Backalley)---I just read your name in GUITAR PLAYER mag last night, in an article on Ronnie Earl---Ronnie mentions you as a 'keeper of the flame', so to speak, and that you are on his newest CD---congrats!---and sorry if somebody already beat me to this!!!

Home sick today (crappy winter!)---maybe I will finally read the 200 or so pages I need to catch up!

Trading my USA 57' Fender RI ('Mary Kaye') straight across for a blackfaced silverface Deluxe Reverb (has my 66' C12N in it already...)---is that a good deal, guys????

time to go cough up a lung!

Congrats, Nick!

ac

[valcotone]

Congrats on the GP shout out, Nick!!


Speaking of picking and nails, I'm always holding a pick but often snap the top strings with my index or middle finger (or combination)... at the gig on Saturday night I ripped off the end of my index finger nail in the 2nd song and it's amazing how that slight change in geometry can throw off some licks!

[Scott Miller]

I'm all fingers, all the time, (except I carry a pick in case I have to play "Time is Tight"), and the only time I tear off hunks of nails is when my attack gets sloppy and out of control. It's kind of a warning to take a deep breath and stop beating the crap out of the guitar.

[jetlag]

No kiddin' - congrads backalley. That must feel cool getting a mention in an article like that. Same for Eric and Ryan when Holmstrom mentioned them in a recent article. Certainly some very fine company we keep here at the WCB. Happy belated George, I would sure love to hear your steels in action. AC, I sure hope you don't have the stuff that ravaged through our house. It's a really viscous flu and the first time I've ever blacked out while standing up.

[fretshop]

No kiddin' - congrads backalley. That must feel cool getting a mention in an article like that. Same for Eric and Ryan when Holmstrom mentioned them in a recent article. Certainly some very fine company we keep here at the WCB. Happy belated George, I would sure love to hear your steels in action. AC, I sure hope you don't have the stuff that ravaged through our house. It's a really viscous flu and the first time I've ever blacked out while standing up.


Karl,
We have audio and video from the event, which we'll be editing this weekend. We'll try and post some of it here .

[zappafrank]

No kiddin' - congrads backalley. That must feel cool getting a mention in an article like that. Same for Eric and Ryan when Holmstrom mentioned them in a recent article. Certainly some very fine company we keep here at the WCB. Happy belated George, I would sure love to hear your steels in action. AC, I sure hope you don't have the stuff that ravaged through our house. It's a really viscous flu and the first time I've ever blacked out while standing up.

Thanks for the comment---I already HAD the virus---2 weeks ago, 3 weeks---I got an upper respiratory---then 5 days later got a 2nd virus---stomach---that put me in the ER, w/ 4 liters of fluids IV'd---that was a first---now, I have somethin' in my sinus and head---bitch of a winter season!:(
I'll have to find that Holmstrom interview!

ac

[pete kanaras]

thing it's called Sally Hanson Nylon Nail Builder...or whatever. It toughens up the nails for the picking / snapping , etc.

i could'nt play with nails if i wanted to! i keep them as short as i can get away with, esp my right hand thumbnail on the inside edge. if i let that area grow too long and catch it the wrong way on say the low E string i'll be seeing stars, owwwwch

[Echo Are]

I fingerpick, nails and flesh, a little bit, otherwise it's mostly about a Fender Medium pick for me. For blues, it seems like fingerpicking, nails or flesh, and thumbpicking is how quite a few of the famous blues guitarists got their distinctive tones. Paging KBR, paging KBR...he does a mean Albert Collins.

[jetlag]

AC, that's terrible man. Totally unfair and some serious sh#t to end up in the ER. Hope your nurse was hot (and female) and attentive. Glad to hear you're somewhat on the mend. Wow, that's a string terrible stuff, again, sorry to hear it.

George, I'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing the clips of all you hotshots! Sounds like you had the harp players outnumbered, well done!

[HappyValley]

A nod and shout out to Nick Adams (Backalley)---I just read your name in GUITAR PLAYER mag last night, in an article on Ronnie Earl---Ronnie mentions you as a 'keeper of the flame', so to speak, and that you are on his newest CD---congrats!---and sorry if somebody already beat me to this!!!

Home sick today (crappy winter!)---maybe I will finally read the 200 or so pages I need to catch up!

Trading my USA 57' Fender RI ('Mary Kaye') straight across for a blackfaced silverface Deluxe Reverb (has my 66' C12N in it already...)---is that a good deal, guys????

time to go cough up a lung!
Congrats, Nick!

ac

Thanks for the kind words, AC....Get well soon, too, my man.

[KBR]

You can hear a little bit of my Albert Collins, then Albert King
1st 2 songs on myspace page. I played B3 on 1st song.

http://www.myspace.com/kennyblueray

No picks on either song.

[Dave Orban]

thing it's called Sally Hanson Nylon Nail Builder...or whatever. It toughens up the nails for the picking / snapping , etc.

i could'nt play with nails if i wanted to! i keep them as short as i can get away with, esp my right hand thumbnail on the inside edge. if i let that area grow too long and catch it the wrong way on say the low E string i'll be seeing stars, owwwwchYeah, that's my experience, too...

[mikelaw]

www.myspace.com/lawsplayboys (http://www.myspace.com/lawsplayboys)

boooyah! tag, you're it.

[DonM]

just wanted to pipe in and say Thanks for postin the Bill Gibbons at NAMM

StraightBlues and myself sat here a while messin with pickups and amps tell we nailed that Esquire tone Billy had...

I then went to the local Blues Jam and used that tone - it was pretty cool
but this 55' Magnatone Mark-3 --- - H44 knock off guitar that paul Bigsby himself designed ~built for Maganatone in 1955 - I just bought it - and at the it was the Ticket _ OMG!!

man did it drip Blues Mojo! had Tom Harkenrider play it - he wanted it..

heres a pic.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x139/donmare/1234abczztop074.jpg

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Don, that's a cool gee-tar!
Bye the bye, I noticed someone put up a new Roy Buchanan tribute website. Got on a Roy kick myself last month, I read American Axe and then got the PBS movie from 1971 - Man I wished I had seen that 30 years ago!!! To see him play "After Hours" was amazingly great. All these things (bends, licks) I figured out in the late 70's from his second alblum - i know it did me a lot of good to figure them out myself but it would have made some things more obvious. fred

[bbarnard]

Anybody else see that Rick Estrin and the Nightcats have signed/been announced by Intrepid Artists? The LC and the Nightcats were with Piedmont.

[RickyKing]

just wanted to pipe in and say Thanks for postin the Bill Gibbons at NAMM

StraightBlues and myself sat here a while messin with pickups and amps tell we nailed that Esquire tone Billy had...

I then went to the local Blues Jam and used that tone - it was pretty cool
but this 55' Magnatone Mark-3 --- - H44 knock off guitar that paul Bigsby himself designed ~built for Maganatone in 1955 - I just bought it - and at the it was the Ticket _ OMG!!

man did it drip Blues Mojo! had Tom Harkenrider play it - he wanted it..

heres a pic.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x139/donmare/1234abczztop074.jpg

BTW Don,Great set of pickups you made for me...Thanks!

[safecracker]

Anybody else see that Rick Estrin and the Nightcats have signed/been announced by Intrepid Artists? The LC and the Nightcats were with Piedmont.
I did not know that yet. Thanks for the heads up. I'm looking forward to seeing them. Charlie and Rick have come through b'ham once a year for a long time, so hopefully it will still be a stop for Rick and the boys.

[DonM]

http://www.roybuchanan.org (http://www.roybuchanan.org/)

I put that up - its $20.00 a month - I want to make it #1 best site to Roy Ever - any stories to post over there or ideas are all more then welcome..

Roys tone on the first records was impart to the 2x10" speakers being out of phase from one another - simply reversing the furthest wires from the chain does the trick ( the speaker with 2 wires gets the wires reversed - not the speaker with 4 wires) mic-ing the front and back at the same time --

I use this on my Twin and vibrolux _ i added speaker switch - its allot like an out-of-phase switch on a geeter, - Its a good way to cut thru the band - but the bass is GONE - and so you can't do it all night - nice option to have on the amp though -

the other - tips - let the neck pickup blend in a little "out of Phase" and thats pretty much the whole deal thats escaped all us Roy freaks all these years -
other then that theres a filter cap in series - but thats not too important

don

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Don, I really respect all the effort you have put into this area of research. Who would have guessed about the speakers being oop? One of the most useful things I slowly learned from the GP interview with Roy on the 70's was having the amp loud and the guitar quiet. That made volume knob swells much easier but even more importantly (to me) was that a tele isn't nearly so treble-y at low guitar volumes. fred

[DonM]

the amp tip came from the engineer on the 2nd. album - just a few weeks back - and that one I would have never guessed - actually the guitar-guts would have never guessed those - Jim Wielder was the guy who played nancy after me and knew immediately Nancy was out of Phase a little - he had his 53' there to A&B with her - so Jims golden ears was a huge help in all this too
I then was allowed inside of nancy - and looks like we have all the pieces now-
to get back in context here to the thread , I will say -- that all this stuff works cool for "west Coast Swingin" too -- I also apply this stuff to that for some great tones to work with..

[Echo Are]

Well, this isn't West Coast Blues, but:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-soRo3y7rc

I prefer this version, with Larry Davis' impassioned vocal & Fenton Robinson's hyperactive dirty twang. And look at that label! Purple and yellow. The logo alone just screams "Small local label, not slick major imprint product!". And a V-shaped emblem that could've come off of a Chevy, or the air cleaner lid of a V8's carburetor. Excellent.

[nmontz]

Larry sounds like Ray Charles on that early Down Beat/ swing time stuff with Lowell Fulson. On that Downbeat stuff of Ray's "The snow is falling" is about the lowdownest singing I ever heard.

[THINSOCKS]

just wanted to pipe in and say Thanks for postin the Bill Gibbons at NAMM

StraightBlues and myself sat here a while messin with pickups and amps tell we nailed that Esquire tone Billy had...

I then went to the local Blues Jam and used that tone - it was pretty cool
but this 55' Magnatone Mark-3 --- - H44 knock off guitar that paul Bigsby himself designed ~built for Maganatone in 1955 - I just bought it - and at the it was the Ticket _ OMG!!

man did it drip Blues Mojo! had Tom Harkenrider play it - he wanted it..

heres a pic.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x139/donmare/1234abczztop074.jpg

Don, I had one of those guitars. Mine was a two pickup model. It sounded cool, but my H-44 had a little more bit to it. Plus, the neck on Magnatone was really thin. What is the width on yours? From what I understand, Paul Bigsby designed the pickups, etc., but most of the guitars design actually comes from Paul Barth of Rickenbacker fame (hence the narrow neck width). Here's mine with my old H-88.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2279/2292661399_1eb261a8e5.jpg

[fretshop]

AC, that's terrible man. Totally unfair and some serious sh#t to end up in the ER. Hope your nurse was hot (and female) and attentive. Glad to hear you're somewhat on the mend. Wow, that's a string terrible stuff, again, sorry to hear it.

George, I'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing the clips of all you hotshots! Sounds like you had the harp players outnumbered, well done!

We had four harp players who really worked up the level of enthusiasm for all of us : Jimmy Qunilan (Mojo Gypsies), Russ Lambert, Kevin McGowan, and an energetic lady player whose name escapes me at 7:00AM. I haven't seen Kevin in years...so we had alot to catch up on. He had a great little harp and mic business here in jersey for quite a while. Russ is really devoted to the instrument and is coming up by leaps and bounds, Jimmy...Jimmy's always great to see and hear. I still can't remember the lady's name...Maybe I need more coffee.

Kevin and I discussed doing a similar event as an informal showcase/workshop for the harp players. I think it's a great idea.

check your e-mail

[fretshop]

Shawn Gober: I'm having a blast trying to learn the "tin sandwich"... I don't know if my neighbors feel the same way though (LOL). Thanks again for the instructional CD's.

[Dave Orban]

We had four harp players who really worked up the level of enthusiasm for all of us : Jimmy Qunilan (Mojo Gypsies), Russ Lambert, Kevin McGowan, and an energetic lady player whose name escapes me at 7:00AM.
Carol Moog.

[Goldie295]

Carol Moog.

http://www.partypop.com/Images/Vendors/v4090678.jpg

Cheers,
Phil

[Dave Orban]

http://www.partypop.com/Images/Vendors/v4090678.jpg

Cheers,
PhilYup!

[safecracker]

Shawn Gober: I'm having a blast trying to learn the "tin sandwich"... I don't know if my neighbors feel the same way though (LOL). Thanks again for the instructional CD's.
I'm glad to be of service. I picked up another Bogen pa head that's in the shop now. I hope it sounds as good as the first one. My favorite harp speaker so far has been a Weber 12A150. Great vintage tone. Shawn

[fretshop]

I'm glad to be of service. I picked up another Bogen pa head that's in the shop now. I hope it sounds as good as the first one. My favorite harp speaker so far has been a Weber 12A150. Great vintage tone. Shawn

Are you still using your MA-17N ? I'll have to check out the Weber speaker..

Thanks,

G-Man

[fretshop]

Carol Moog.

That's her.

I studied research and articles by Dr. Carol Moog, during my post graduate work. I wonder if she's the same person.

Are you working this weekend, or coming by Jerzee's for the MRK gig on Saturday ? Mike Schwartz and I will be going down to the club to hang out. We'd like Jim Fog to put the Tremblelix through another run-through

[Dave Orban]

That's her.

I studied research and articles by Dr. Carol Moog, during my post graduate work. I wonder if she's the same person.

Are you working this weekend, or coming by Jerzee's for the MRK gig on Saturday ? Mike Schwartz and I will be going down to the club to hang out. We'd like Jim Fog to put the Tremblelix through another run-throughI thought I heard that Carol is an attorney, by day...

And no, I've already got family commitments this weekend, otherwise I'd be hoppin' on over to Jerzee's...

Have fun!

[safecracker]

Are you still using your MA-17N ? I'll have to check out the Weber speaker..

Thanks,

G-Man
No, it's on the 'bay right now. After I got the Bogen, the Masco, or mine anyway came in second for harp tone, but the Masco is a much better guitar amp, but I've got plenty of guitar amps, so something had to go. I put my brand new Uncle Spot reverb on there too, along with a Eminence Red Fang speaker. I started my own buisness a year and a half ago, and it's tough meeting the bills some months. Shawn

[fretshop]

Well, this isn't West Coast Blues, but:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-soRo3y7rc

I prefer this version, with Larry Davis' impassioned vocal & Fenton Robinson's hyperactive dirty twang. And look at that label! Purple and yellow. The logo alone just screams "Small local label, not slick major imprint product!". And a V-shaped emblem that could've come off of a Chevy, or the air cleaner lid of a V8's carburetor. Excellent.

I've got Larry Davis' 1958 version of Texas Flood on record. He wrote it with Joseph Wade Scott. That song was covered by several other artists, and almost three decades later, literally copied note for note by somebody else.

[fretshop]

I thought I heard that Carol is an attorney, by day...

And no, I've already got family commitments this weekend, otherwise I'd be hoppin' on over to Jerzee's...

Have fun!

I'm in forensics, so my assumption was unwarranted....it'd be the wrong Carol. Great lady though. we all had a wonderful time chatting with her.

[pete kanaras]

literally copied note for note by somebody else.

and that certain "somebody else" always said that larry davis was his #1 biggest vocal inspiration, a point that seems to always get overlooked....

i miss the guy, i do. to me he was just getting started, after he got clean,when he died like that. i'll bet he'd be doing some Way different stuff now, had he lived. mixing things up in real interessting ways. who knows? i can't say he influenced me in any overt way(his brother is another story though)but he sure had a big heart, as big as Texas.

rip stevie

[RickyKing]

literally copied note for note by somebody else.

and that certain "somebody else" always said that larry davis was his #1 biggest vocal inspiration, a point that seems to always get overlooked....

i miss the guy, i do. to me he was just getting started, after he got clean,when he died like that. i'll bet he'd be doing some Way different stuff now, had he lived. mixing things up in real interessting ways. who knows? i can't say he influenced me in any overt way(his brother is another story though)but he sure had a big heart, as big as Texas.

rip stevie

Much like Hendrix....

[jumpnblues]

Jim

Depending on Mike's and my work schedule, I'm going to try and swing by (pun intended) Saturday evening to catch y'all at Jerzee's. If it's a go, I'll be spending the night at Mike's place, then we're looking at checking out the audio and video from last Sunday.

Lou said you can use the tremblelux if its not sold by the end of this week.


Ok...everyone slowly back away from that Tremblelux and no one gets hurt! It's mine I tells ya'!! Mine!!! As soon as I sell my Victoria Pro (Weber 15A150/P15N) I'm comin' fer it. I only hope it won't take too long. Talk to ya's soon Lou...I hope. :worried:worried:worried


Tom

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Tom, just to be clear, the Tremblelux is a Tremolux clone, n'est ce pas? Isn't the Pro clone better for gigs (louder, more headroom)? fred

[sethr]

and that certain "somebody else" always said that larry davis was his #1 biggest vocal inspiration, a point that seems to always get overlooked....

Hmmm. I woulda guessed that Doyle Bramhall was his biggest vocal influence.

[groove_king]

[sigh] Can we PLEASE not start an SRV mini-thread within the glorious WCB thread? The dude has been talked about ad nauseum with little to no new facts surfacing, so discussions always seem to end in flamewars ...

And I'm sure we can all agree that one can have MANY influences in one's life - but if you have a listen to Larry Davis' Texas Flood, it's quite clear from where SRV copped his vocal phrasing on his version.

Ob WCB content: Jr Watson rules!

[GOLDENSTRAT]

John Nemeth returns to my area in April, anybody know who's gonna be playing with him then?? fred

[Echo Are]

[sigh] Can we PLEASE not start an SRV mini-thread within the glorious WCB thread? The dude has been talked about ad nauseum with little to no new facts surfacing, so discussions always seem to end in flamewars ...

Heh-heh, yeah,actually, to be honest, I was concerned with posting something here in WCB that even remotely references SRV. The poor guy has definitely been analyzed and criticized into oblivion elsewhere(hell, everywhere). Besides, one reason I enjoy the WCBT is its coverage of the obscure and the current, with nods to heavy-hitters(the Kings, etc.) that don't overdo it.

[pete kanaras]

Much like Hendrix....

indeed. if jimi, miles and gil evans actually did hook up like they were planning on, whoa. the mind boggles....

oops, wait a minute. non "wcb" content here.
20 lashes with a fistful of dollars hat for me....

[Echo Are]

Alrighty, let's change gears, and don't forget to double-clutch if you're shifting out of first. Some of you have heard this tune before, but it roars down the Federal two-lane blacktop like a Ford with a Cadillac engine. And Lester "Junior" Barnhard was way ahead of his time tonally. From 1946:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/audio/FatBoyRag.mp3

[Goldie295]

Alrighty, let's change gears, and don't forget to double-clutch if you're shifting out of first. Some of you have heard this tune before, but it roars down the Federal two-lane blacktop like a Ford with a Cadillac engine. And Lester "Junior" Barnhard was way ahead of his time tonally. From 1946:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/audio/FatBoyRag.mp3


Cool post - thanks!!
Cheers,
Phil

[Dave Orban]

Alrighty, let's change gears, and don't forget to double-clutch if you're shifting out of first. Some of you have heard this tune before, but it roars down the Federal two-lane blacktop like a Ford with a Cadillac engine. And Lester "Junior" Barnhard was way ahead of his time tonally. From 1946:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/audio/FatBoyRag.mp3

Sweet...! :dude

[safecracker]

Alrighty, let's change gears, and don't forget to double-clutch if you're shifting out of first. Some of you have heard this tune before, but it roars down the Federal two-lane blacktop like a Ford with a Cadillac engine. And Lester "Junior" Barnhard was way ahead of his time tonally. From 1946:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/audio/FatBoyRag.mp3
Thanks!

[fretshop]

Ok...everyone slowly back away from that Tremblelux and no one gets hurt! It's mine I tells ya'!! Mine!!! As soon as I sell my Victoria Pro (Weber 15A150/P15N) I'm comin' fer it. I only hope it won't take too long. Talk to ya's soon Lou...I hope. :worried:worried:worried


Tom

re: The Louis Tremblelux

This one is a stone killer....and I don't give compliments lightly. It breathes with touch sensitivity, and takes on a different personality with different speakers, and/or different brand 6V6's. The cabinetry is a very chimey sounding clear pine, and the tweed is the best quality. The covering has been meticulously applied...very precise and neat. The inside of the cabinet is perfectly clean, with no glue residue.

Tone is a subjective thing....We all understand that one Luthier or Amp designer will never be all things to all people...there's no "bench mark" by which to judge perfection ..... our world revolves around the preferences of very gifted and talented human beings who express themselves in portraits of sound.

Why do I love Louis Amps ?

Well...have you ever had the concept of an elusive tone in your mind...something you have attempted to describe to others while beating simile and metaphor to death ? You begin accumulating a vast collection of equipment with the rationale that the numbers will eventually play out...hopefully before your wife throws you out, and that you'll eventually "meet the right one" ? (Figuratively, that is). Then one day, you notice a small tweed ensemble winking at you from across the crowded music store. You get your courage up...walk over, plug in...just to try it out...what the hell...you snap the standby switch, mess with the controls and slowly begin to discern what has for eons been lurking in your thoughts and dreams. I don't know how many times Lou and I have both heard the remark : "Oh YEAH..that's it !!"

Two hours later:

"What new amp ? Oh...THIS new amp ? Irma Lou...baby...Let me explain...it won't get in the way...I'll just store it in back of the couch next to the seven guitar cases...I promise... THIS IS THE LAST ONE...I PROMISE !!

If Jim Fogarty has the time to work with the Tremblelux at the MRK Gig this Saturday evening, we'll give you another run down.

[rjkohrs]

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but there is a nice little boxset, "Doughboys, Playboys, and Cowboys" that contains all kinds of western swing genre nuggets.
Randy

[mr tom]

Doughboys is as cool as the other Proper boxes I've picked up, including Hillbilly Boogie, T-Bone, Wynonie Harris, Big Joe Turner, a ska box, The Dawn of Doo-Wop, Lefty Frizzell, etc. And the next-best thing about them (after the music) is the price. Like the JSP collections of copyright-expired material, they are absolute bargains.

[susudio]

re: The Louis Tremblelux

This one is a stone killer....and I don't give compliments lightly. It breathes with touch sensitivity, and takes on a different personality with different speakers, and/or different brand 6V6's. The cabinetry is a very chimey sounding clear pine, and the tweed is the best quality. The covering has been meticulously applied...very precise and neat. The inside of the cabinet is perfectly clean, with no glue residue.

Tone is a subjective thing....We all understand that one Luthier or Amp designer will never be all things to all people...there's no "bench mark" by which to judge perfection ..... our world revolves around the preferences of very gifted and talented human beings who express themselves in portraits of sound.

Why do I love Louis Amps ?

Well...have you ever had the concept of an elusive tone in your mind...something you have attempted to describe to others while beating simile and metaphor to death ? You begin accumulating a vast collection of equipment with the rationale that the numbers will eventually play out...hopefully before your wife throws you out, and that you'll eventually "meet the right one" ? (Figuratively, that is). Then one day, you notice a small tweed ensemble winking at you from across the crowded music store. You get your courage up...walk over, plug in...just to try it out...what the hell...you snap the standby switch, mess with the controls and slowly begin to discern what has for eons been lurking in your thoughts and dreams. I don't know how many times Lou and I have both heard the remark : "Oh YEAH..that's it !!"

Two hours later:

"What new amp ? Oh...THIS new amp ? Irma Lou...baby...Let me explain...it won't get in the way...I'll just store it in back of the couch next to the seven guitar cases...I promise... THIS IS THE LAST ONE...I PROMISE !!

If Jim Fogarty has the time to work with the Tremblelux at the MRK Gig this Saturday evening, we'll give you another run down.
G-man, you are quite the wordsmith!!
The amp was awesome at Glenside..
See you at the Franklin?

[jumpnblues]

re: The Louis Tremblelux

This one is a stone killer....and I don't give compliments lightly. It breathes with touch sensitivity, and takes on a different personality with different speakers, and/or different brand 6V6's. The cabinetry is a very chimey sounding clear pine, and the tweed is the best quality. The covering has been meticulously applied...very precise and neat. The inside of the cabinet is perfectly clean, with no glue residue.

Tone is a subjective thing....We all understand that one Luthier or Amp designer will never be all things to all people...there's no "bench mark" by which to judge perfection ..... our world revolves around the preferences of very gifted and talented human beings who express themselves in portraits of sound.

Why do I love Louis Amps ?

Well...have you ever had the concept of an elusive tone in your mind...something you have attempted to describe to others while beating simile and metaphor to death ? You begin accumulating a vast collection of equipment with the rationale that the numbers will eventually play out...hopefully before your wife throws you out, and that you'll eventually "meet the right one" ? (Figuratively, that is). Then one day, you notice a small tweed ensemble winking at you from across the crowded music store. You get your courage up...walk over, plug in...just to try it out...what the hell...you snap the standby switch, mess with the controls and slowly begin to discern what has for eons been lurking in your thoughts and dreams. I don't know how many times Lou and I have both heard the remark : "Oh YEAH..that's it !!"

Two hours later:

"What new amp ? Oh...THIS new amp ? Irma Lou...baby...Let me explain...it won't get in the way...I'll just store it in back of the couch next to the seven guitar cases...I promise... THIS IS THE LAST ONE...I PROMISE !!

If Jim Fogarty has the time to work with the Tremblelux at the MRK Gig this Saturday evening, we'll give you another run down.


Stop it George, you're killin' me!! :eek::eek::eek: That describes my Louis KR-10/12 to a "T". Now I want another of Lou's amps. Please tell me it'll end someday? :worried:worried:crazy:bkw


Tom

[Jeff Michael]

Can I testify to my brethren here about WRDV (http://www.wrdv.org (http://www.wrdv.org/)), Radio Delaware Valley? It's a community-run radio station based out of Hatboro PA. They play a lot of retro music. A lot of the day it's big band/hit parade/"beautiful music" stuff, but on Tuesday nights there's a great show called "The Roots Of Rhythm And Blues" where the host plays a bunch of '40s and '50s R&B. Lots of Wynonie Harris, Big Joe Turner, Ruth Brown, etc. And Wednesday there's a blues show from 7-10 that leads into another R&B show from 10-1. They stream the station online for your listening pleasure if you're not in the lower Bucks County area.

I have to admit, I actually enjoy the cheesy big band stuff. I like to try and deconstruct it in my head and figure out what makes it so popular. And, aw hell, I like it in and of itself just as much as anybody else, I guess.


JAM

[btg]

re: Junior Barnard

Some of his wildest playing can be found on Bob Wills Tiffany Transcriptions. I think there are 9-10 volumes. He was pretty far out there and was a nasty aggressive player. Too bad he died so young. The transcriptions also show Eldon Shamblin as more than a rhythm guitarist. He had a pretty neat jazz influenced soloing style as well.

Junior Barnard also appears on discs by Harley Huggins, Luke Wills and Billy Jack Wills. However, the tiffany transcriptions are his best work imo.

[bluesbreaker59]

Gents just thought I'd post a quick one, that I'm thinning my equipment herd a bit. First up is my Epi 56 Goldtop, with or w/o the Fralin P90's. Its been gutted for electronics too, CTS pots, cloth wiring, switchcraft jack and switch, and strap locks. Comes with hardshell case, its $425 without the Fralins, and $550 with them, plus shipping.

Also selling my Echoplex EP-3 that was just serviced by Orbit Electronix, $500 + shipping. And lastly, a pair of Weber 12A125-O's for $140 or 75 each.

May be unloading a MIJ 54 reissue strat as well. Just going back to basics, a couple Victorias, my 335, Tele and Danelectro.

[jumpnblues]

literally copied note for note by somebody else.

and that certain "somebody else" always said that larry davis was his #1 biggest vocal inspiration, a point that seems to always get overlooked....

i miss the guy, i do. to me he was just getting started, after he got clean,when he died like that. i'll bet he'd be doing some Way different stuff now, had he lived. mixing things up in real interessting ways. who knows? i can't say he influenced me in any overt way(his brother is another story though)but he sure had a big heart, as big as Texas.

rip stevie


Yeah, you know Pete, it seems ironic and very sad to me that it's some of the so called wannabe's that (albeit unintentionally) have given Stevie a sort of bad rap. It's almost like a curse. I find it confusing and sad. The man was a giant talent. I much prefer Jimmie's and the more traditional blues styles but have great respect for Stevie's contributions and talent. God Bless 'em.


Tom

[Goldie295]

I am puzzled about Jr W's tone. How does he get that 'metallic' sound no matter whether he is playing a strat, H44, ES335, P90 Les Paul etc? It isn't just 'his fingers'. He must be doing something hip, I'm just not sure what? Does anyone know? Could it be: amp up high, guitar volume low; amp set for treble, guitar tone rolled off; etc; etc??

As I have no chance of seeing him live anytime soon, I need you guys to be my eyes and ears on the ground. I mean you turn up and there is Jr with a standard Reverb tank and a Bassman (or similar). He has his usual sound. So how is everything set up? Does he have a particular way of setting the amp tone controls?

This may seem silly to some of you but when I saw Kid Andersen in San Francisco he said to me that on a Bassman he turns the treble right down and uses the presence control (pretty much right up) to get the top end. It is a great trick and works particularly well with his ES345.

I once read somewhere that Jr used to go around coaching people in how to get good sounds out of tweed amps. Does anyone know what he might have been saying?

Also a seperate question. Does Jr employ a wide / fast vibrato or is he sliding quickly between frets (or both) when he get those 'glissy' sounds out of notes??

Thanks,
Phil

[pete kanaras]

It isn't just 'his fingers'

yes it is

[nmontz]

Hey Phill the answer has allready been covered on here so maybe you will have to go back and read up! :-) But I'll tell you now anyway.

Like Pete says most of Jr's great tone is Jr. but I sat about 3 ft. away from him last year with Nemeth and his old bassman/pro and hearing how the amp sounded from there with and without reverb being the tone geek I am I could quickly and easily get that tone once I heard it from basically on stage from where I would have been standing.

Use the normal channel of the tweed amp. I think he has the normal voume at 4, and a 12ax7 in v1 otherwise it doesn't matter all that much what the other settings are at. Just get a good thick sound. I know Jr. doesn't have the presence very high.

On the guitar, roll off the tones, roll of the volumes. Especially the volume controls. There is a sweet spot where that "plunky" "metallic" thing happens. Hint...it isn't a particularlly broken up tone, just clean and fat. The tone then sludges out when he runs the volumes wide open for those "crazy" moments.....Also you don't have to have the amp screamin' loud to get that great tweed tone. In fact Jr gives this info all the time when he mentions over and over about bands being too loud. He also mentioned this when he wrote that he got this revelation when he saw Freddie King sound like FK with a strat.

Not that Jr. doesn't have a great vibrato but he slides to get those "gliss" things you were asking about...also sometimes he is sliding instead of bends.

[Strat-O]

Well I don't know. I know the 'tone is in the fingers' debate can rage on but I've got quite a few Jr Watson boots where he's playing borrowed Strats through Super Reverbs or Hot Rod Deville's or something and he doesn't sound like Junior. His phrasing and basic tone is there because hell, tone is pretty damn basic when you get right down to it. Especially clean tone. Its no doubt Junior Watson playing through these inferior (to his own) rigs.

However, I can't watch/listen to these for long without losing interest. Its just not the Junior Watson who's guitar playing that I worship. His own rig or something close to it is a huge part of what makes him so exciting and dynamic. Basic tone and touch aside, signature tone is just that...signature tone.

I've heard/read that Freddie King Strat tone story quite a few times. Freddie's signature tone was not quite as brilliant (after he got out of the 60's anyway) to me as Junior Watson's. Now, I LOVE Freddie King. But I can't listen to all that Shelter stuff and the other things he did after the mid 60's.

I'm sure I've opened a real can of worms with this. :eek:

[Jeff Michael]

It isn't just 'his fingers'

yes it is

Blasphemy! This is The Gear Page, young man. There must be some expensive boutique bit of gadgetry I can buy to get that sound. Why, if tone is in the hands, I could nail that tone just by listening and practicing rather than posting on web pages and seeking out obscure equipment. In short, sir, you're crazy.

JAM

[HappyValley]

Junior could play through a '76 Radio Shack AM - only transistor radio with a 1963 Mattel Mickey Mouse guitar and sound like Junior. ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING .......

[pete kanaras]

i'll tell ya one thing that has blown my mind lately, amp wise. on any guitar i play i use the tone control a Whole Lot, depending on the tune, what i'm going after etc. however i've been gigging mostly these days with a '67 reverbrocket2(7591's). i brought it to the jerzee's jam for george to check out but the stage was really crowded so in the corner it sat. anyway, these early ampegs used a Baxandall tone stack, which hardly no other amp maker has ever used(THD, in their flexi amps is the only one that comes to mind). Baxandalls were a 60's hi-fi thing; bass/treble controls keyed at 1K around a neutral midrange. with bass/treble centered at noon it is essentially flat for all intents. so on this amp you can dial the treble way down and it's still as loud as the amp with more treble dialed in! turn the treble up and it just gets a lot brighter, not louder. with any other amp i'll roll the tone way down on the guitar and bring the amp up a smidge to compensate(and turn it back down when the song's over) but with this amp it sounds waaaay better just turning it's treble down, and there's no volume drop. it's very hard to explain in print but when you experience it firsthand it is a "wow" moment. incredible amp, and a true sleeper in the fat-assed tone department

[fretshop]

Tom, just to be clear, the Tremblelux is a Tremolux clone, n'est ce pas? Isn't the Pro clone better for gigs (louder, more headroom)? fred

It's a different animal based on the Tremblelux. It's not an exact duplicate. The amp is cathode biased, and has two separate, dedicated channels : normal and "Fat", and a 5 watt switch for recording. I compared it to my Pro, and a '58 narrow panel Pro at the studio, and the only way I can describe it is : The Tremblelux is more versatile, and has more useable volume and headroom. Lou and I have also discussed the posibility of a 1 X 15 cathode bias version with options like an OEM Jensen P or C speaker, or Weber etc..., a half power switch, presence control, variable feedback and maybe even a Tremblelux Head.
That will be sometime down the road.

[fretshop]

G-man, you are quite the wordsmith!!
The amp was awesome at Glenside..
See you at the Franklin?

If I can get a nap in after work, I'll see you there. Been here since just after 6:00AM catching up on an assignment. I think BiG Boy's coming too. Should be fun.

[susudio]

Yeah, you need your beauty rest. :-)
U R workin too hard!

Big Boy and perhaps Filthy Rich as well.
Hope to see you..

[KBR]

I have owned a few 66,65 Reverberockets, they are exc Amps, but very fragile for road, Pete, I hear ya.
Great verb on em, too.

[fretshop]

Yeah, you need your beauty rest. :-)
U R workin too hard!

Big Boy and perhaps Filthy Rich as well.
Hope to see you..

I believe that Bettye might be home, off her tour for a couple days. Maybe she'll come down and raise some sand with us. I had a blast with her at The Franklin last month watching her performance on Letterman. It was a L-A-T-E night. Mousey kept the drinks comin', he wouldn't let us go home, and I was a hurtin' buckaroo at work the next day...but it was worth it.

[susudio]

Yes sir George, gotta love that place!

[Scott Miller]

Regarding that metallic Jr. Watson tone, I recently did a pickup change, and started using the "Cut" knob on my Dr. Z, and all I got was that metallic thing. It would have been great for Jr. Watson, but I couldn't stand it. It doesn't fit my style, attack, phrasing or anything about what I do. So, be careful what you wish for!

BTW, seeing Jr. Watson play up close is interesting. He is one intense dude. Around here, we have access to lots of great players, and you can learn a lot just by watching how they play overall. Mostly what you learn is that they are all different, and you have to find out how YOU play best.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Doughboys is as cool as the other Proper boxes I've picked up, including Hillbilly Boogie, T-Bone, Wynonie Harris, Big Joe Turner, a ska box, The Dawn of Doo-Wop, Lefty Frizzell, etc. And the next-best thing about them (after the music) is the price. Like the JSP collections of copyright-expired material, they are absolute bargains.
I've got a few too and they're all good - T-Bone, Charlie Christian, Basie, Charlie Parker, the jazz guitar one. I bought the Dizzy Gillespie Proper Box set for one tune - 'You Stole my Wife, You Horsethief' - a very funny vocal number by Dizzy that could easily fit in to a west coast blues/swing set.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Junior could play through a '76 Radio Shack AM - only transistor radio with a 1963 Mattel Mickey Mouse guitar and sound like Junior. ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING ATTACK & PHRASING .......Well the guy IS a guitar genius but equipment does have a lot to do with it too...his sound was awful when I saw him over here playing straight into an RI Bassman. Like an ice-pick going clunk dunk. As I wrote at the time, I asked him how he liked it and he said "I HATE it...but what can you do?" The pity was I had rounded up all kinds of friends & acquaintances to go and see him, and they couldn't get it at all. With happening tones, I'm sure those same non-afficionados would have been blown away.

[fretshop]

I have owned a few 66,65 Reverberockets, they are exc Amps, but very fragile for road, Pete, I hear ya.
Great verb on em, too.

I have a mint '67 RR II...with an OEM P12-N. I haven't been able to come home to it. I need to A-B it with Pete's RRII. Arnie uses it on his R&B gigswith the Platters, Drifters et al...and everybody loves it...maybe its me.

[pete kanaras]

george, turn the treble way down to 9:00(or around "3") bass at high noon(or "6") volume at 3:00(or "9" out of 12)accordian input and start from there. i'd never use those settings with a fender, blech. and turn the trem intensity off, it sucks gain even when footswitched off. with that great tele of yours you oughta be rip-snorting, dark but not woofy, with tons of clarity and that cathode bias singing thing happening at those settings. it is an utterly unique tone in my experience. it's unlike any other amp out there so ya gotta think outta the box a bit....

[fretshop]

george, turn the treble way down to 9:00(or around "3") bass at high noon(or "6") volume at 3:00(or "9" out of 12)accordian input and start from there. i'd never use those settings with a fender, blech. and turn the trem intensity off, it sucks gain even when footswitched off. with that great tele of yours you oughta be rip-snorting, dark but not woofy, with tons of clarity and that cathode bias singing thing happening at those settings. it is an utterly unique tone in my experience. it's unlike any other amp out there so ya gotta think outta the box a bit....


Probably tubes, as we discussed. I have to turn the volume past 12:00 to get anything useful out of it. Dennis said it's perfect (?)

[jimfog]

If Jim Fogarty has the time to work with the Tremblelux at the MRK Gig this Saturday evening, we'll give you another run down.

George,

I'd be honoured to give it another workout......a little more completely this time......on Saturday.

Gonna bring an axe and sit in?

Thanks!

- Jim

[pete kanaras]

I have to turn the volume past 12:00 to get anything useful out of it. Dennis said it's perfect (?)

dennis is right bro. like i said, you Really have to think out of the box with this one. try the settings i suggested, trem and verb to taste

[Short Bus]

re: Junior's tone

I noticed a couple things when I saw him. First he uses the whammy bar a lot more than I thought he would. Actually I hadn't thought about it at all, just surprised me when he did. Also when he was setting up, he sprayed something on the neck. It wasn't fret ease. I dare say it looked like cooking spray, as it was a large yellow aerosol can. The only other thing I can add is he uses fat strings and thin picks, which may explain why I never noticed visually any difference in his attack.

Like mentioned before, he does roll the tone off on the guitar. He played his '57 strat and the H44 both times I saw him. BTW that mother-of-toilet-seat pickguard on the H44 is awesome! Is that original to the guitar?

re: Fat Boy Rag
How about that tone on the pedal steel?! :crazy

[pete kanaras]

2 super bad short clips of jimmie vaughan sitting in with the horton brothers awhile back. scroll down the page a bit. tone out the....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=19713078&MyToken=464c71ba-9d8d-42dc-be18-e2cf109d2b9c

[nmontz]

LOL....it was WD-40 he sprayed on his hands / neck. It is a rust preventor, water repellent, lubricant, takes off tarr, can clean guns with it....Kind of like brake cleaner, spray it on stuck bolts. We use it on the farm all the time.

http://wd40.com/Brands/wd40.cfm

BTW....I'm not brave enough to spray it on my guitars even though I saw him do it.

[mikelaw]

Extra Jimmies!!!!!!!!!!

[groove_king]

2 super bad short clips of jimmie vaughan sitting in with the horton brothers awhile back. scroll down the page a bit. tone out the....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=19713078&MyToken=464c71ba-9d8d-42dc-be18-e2cf109d2b9c


Woah! Super bad is right. The compression all but makes it unlistenable. It's nice to hear JV doin' Extra Jimmies, tho ... :)

[Strat-O]

WD-40? Are you serious? That's just plain freaky. That shit is greasy/slick as well...you know. Plus it attracts dust and dirt. Wow. I thought the WD-40 can was primarily blue with just a little yellow at the WD-40 name?

[nmontz]

I had forgotten all about that until short bus reminded me with his story. But yeah that's what I saw him spray on there when I saw him play. I got a huge kick out of that. The stuff doesn't smell too bad....but still. I suppose I've been doused with that stuff cleaning tractor and axle parts and whatnot....but I don't think I would get it on myself intentionally. I've used it for years to clean guns....you got wood and metal there. Never hurt anything....probably would be ok for guitars too. Read the website...it really is a miracle spray! :-) Those of you that wanna try it you can get it at any farm or hardware store....But like I said I don't think I'm brave enough to spray it on my guitars. Somebody ask Jr. if thats what he uses? :-) Maybe he had a can of something else when short bus saw him. I have seen Jr. play about a dozen times....this was the only time I noticed the WD-40.

[zappafrank]

You sure it was'nt 'Finger Ease'????

ac

[nmontz]

Heck maybe it was lemon pledge.....it wasn't a guitar based product though. I coulda swore it was WD-40. Who is seeing him play this weekend?

[S.W.Erdnase]

WD-40? Are you serious? That's just plain freaky. That shit is greasy/slick as well...you know. Plus it attracts dust and dirt. Wow. I thought the WD-40 can was primarily blue with just a little yellow at the WD-40 name?

It sounds plumb loco to me.

[Goldie295]

WD-40? Are you serious? That's just plain freaky. That shit is greasy/slick as well...you know. Plus it attracts dust and dirt. Wow. I thought the WD-40 can was primarily blue with just a little yellow at the WD-40 name?


Slim of the UK based band The Hampsters uses loads of WD40 during gigs. He claims to have very sweaty hands and it does the trick!!

Thanks for all the Jr feedback !!

Cheers,
Phil

[fretshop]

WD-40? Are you serious? That's just plain freaky. That shit is greasy/slick as well...you know. Plus it attracts dust and dirt. Wow. I thought the WD-40 can was primarily blue with just a little yellow at the WD-40 name?

Solid yellow can ?

Could be Prestone silicone...it's an all yellow can. Next to Garry's "It", Prestone Silicicone was the best stuff you could get commercially. The Prestone could also be used to clean the dirt out of strings, and it was a good contact cleaner too. Garry's Labs and Prestone recently discontinued marketing those product on the east coast...at least. Try Pyroil or Castle Silicone spray instead of spending $$$ on Fast Fret. Castle Silicone is food product safe, and it's not cheap. There are alot of old wives tales about how silicone ruins finishes and fretboards, and how frets won't stay in the neck...it's all alot of B.S.

Pyroil is sold at R&S Strauss Auto Stores. You'd probably have to buy Castle on line.

[pete kanaras]

haha i ain't gonna say it, nope....

[fretshop]

I have to turn the volume past 12:00 to get anything useful out of it. Dennis said it's perfect (?)

dennis is right bro. like i said, you Really have to think out of the box with this one. try the settings i suggested, trem and verb to taste

Yeah...we messed around with it...the tremelo will shake the floor, the reverb is awesome, and the tone has a definite Magic Sam vibe to it. The tubes are original, though, and that might be my problem. It's still louder than a Deluxe Reverb, even with old tubes. I still prefer the earlier blue checker model...it has more sag and a rougher personality...to my ears, anyway. The '67 does kick serious ass with an archtop...it's got a serious Kenny Burrell thing going with the L-5 , the P-90 175, and the Super 400. It ain't happenin' for my Tele though...I guess I'm just so pleased with the Tele's response from Small Class-A amps.

[fretshop]

ssudio...hey John.

Couldn't make it last night. Couldn't break away from the bench. I was Restoring and engraving new segments to an old "Flower Pot" head stock inlay. It gets intense. I thought it best not to stop the momentum. Hope the Franklin was fun.

[susudio]

Work..work..work..work ..work!!!

Yes, a good time was had by all at the Franklin. Sparse attendance allowing more playing time which is a good thing. Big Boy was setting down the bottom most of the night in anticipation of his surgery this morning. Filthy Rich was there and did a killer set, then joined Kevin for the last song of the night sans guitar and did his lounge singer routine.
We missed ya bein' there.

[pete kanaras]

The tubes are original, though, and that might be my problem.

nah, doubt it. those tubes are loafing in that circuit at the voltages specified, much like a dynaco st70, and they last forever because of it. nowhere near their maximum ratings, unlike a dr running 6V6's(20% over spec). popping in a fresh 6U10 makes a big diff for the better though, a funny little tube. did you try the settings i mentioned? because you are waaay outa magic sam territory at that point; very dark clear and burly but not over-gainy at all with a tele. so don't be afraid to twist those knobs! but maybe it's just not the amp for you, in which case i may take it off your hands at some point.

a PAIR of those biaches in stereo?!? heart be still....

[fretshop]

Work..work..work..work ..work!!!

Yes, a good time was had by all at the Franklin. Sparse attendance allowing more playing time which is a good thing. Big Boy was setting down the bottom most of the night in anticipation of his surgery this morning. Filthy Rich was there and did a killer set, then joined Kevin for the last song of the night sans guitar and did his lounge singer routine.
We missed ya bein' there.

Damn !! I just got my polyester leisure suit and silk shirt back from the cleaners....we coulda done a rat pack routine.....of course, I would have been Dean Martin. "Ain't that a kick in the head"

[susudio]

Damn !! I just got my polyester leisure suit and silk shirt back from the cleaners....we coulda done a rat pack routine.....of course, I would have been Dean Martin. "Ain't that a kick in the head"
I can get you booked at the Holiday Inn Cocktail Lounge, exit 12. Just say the word!

[fretshop]

I can get you booked at the Holiday Inn Cocktail Lounge, exit 12. Just say the word!


Dust off your accordion ... we're on !!

[susudio]

Dust off your accordion ... we're on !!
It's a deal.....Is Lady of Spain west coast jump blues?

[TwoFeets]

I just put my '66 Ampeg Jet up on the classifieds, looking to trade for a low-endy 5E3 clone, if anybody here has any interest... not looking to do a cash deal at this point tho (disappears too quickly at the house if you know what I mean)

[susudio]

Cool...we can do some call and response on Lady of Spain...Louie Prima style. You know, we should throw in a few Swing Polkas too. How about a Zydeco arrangement of "Delilah" ? Did you know I can do an imitation of Bob Dylan singing "Cool Jerk " AND...."Tiny Bubbles"...that should get us a few $$$ in tips.
Now you're just talkin' crazy... But then again it just might work there!

[Short Bus]

You sure it was'nt 'Finger Ease'????

ac

I ain't gonna say no, but both times I didn't see the label. It was a yellow label glued onto the can. The label covered the entire can and the cap was yellow as well. I did notice some red on the label that would have been where the name/logo would be.

The only reason I said cooking spray was I have a store brand can of cooking spray that looks vaguely familiar.

Are we really dissecting a mysterious can of mojo? :messedup

I'll be back. I'm goign to count the number of metal flakes in my strat's paint job. As well as make sure they're uniformly disarranged. For better tone, of course :rotflmao

[Goldie295]

Tom, just to be clear, the Tremblelux is a Tremolux clone, n'est ce pas? Isn't the Pro clone better for gigs (louder, more headroom)? fred

The Pro is entirely different to a Tremolux which is basically a Deluxe with tremolo. Save yourselves $2,700 and put a Celestion G12H into your Deluxe. Bet you get the same sound in gig conditions as the Louis thang...

Try it. I have and I'm very pleased with the results. Deluxe sounds more Pro like but still with the Deluxe vibe.

Cheers,
Phil

[RickyKing]

No spamming, I have an H-65 on ebay starting Sunday @ 6 est.
Member name amsfuncpl , reasonable for a 1957 ....

[fretshop]

The Pro is entirely different to a Tremolux which is basically a Deluxe with tremolo. Save yourselves $2,700 and put a Celestion G12H into your Deluxe. Bet you get the same sound in gig conditions as the Louis thang...

Try it. I have and I'm very pleased with the results. Deluxe sounds more Pro like but still with the Deluxe vibe.

Cheers,
Phil

We have a Deluxe with a G12H-30 and two Deluxe Reverbs, one with a G12H-30 and the second amp loaded with G12H-100 (The Reissue G12H-30 is built on the old 100 frame and magnet) which we A/B/C'd with the Tremblelux and a mid '56 Tremolux 5E9A. The Louis Tremblelux is a variation on the Tremolux platform (without getting into proprietary specifics). It has all the character of the 50's amp ... with the advantage of a bigger sound when needed. Each Tremblelux is meticuously hand voiced. The Deluxes and Deluxe Reverbs, on the other hand do sound "bigger" with the speaker swap, but they each present their own unique spectrum of touch sensitivity, tonality and gain characteristics.

Lou Rosano has cared for, and also modded a variety of the older amps for many top names in the music business, including many of my industry clients. He remarked one evening that he loved the tweed amps, and wanted to give guitarists "more". We both love the old Tremolux (I'm still kicking myself in the ass for selling mine), and I brought up the issue of always wanting a 5E9-A that could push harder, and a bit louder with much of the same personality of the original. Lou shouted "let's do it".

Lou devoted a tremendous amount of time to the Tremblelux project and invested thousand of dollars into experimentation, tooling and the design of the transformers. Much more time was spent in the choice of components and circuit voicing until everything came together. The proto-type took my breath away. Duke Robillard, who uses a Deluxe Reverb (with a variety of different speakers, I might add )bought one of the first Trebleluxes on the spot...

The Tremblelux is a serious tool for the professional musician who needs both refined tone, AND enough power to work in a variety of situations, including recording and big band scenairos.

[mikelaw]

celestions are the shiznit!

[fretshop]

celestions are the shiznit!

Yeah, I love 'em. Celestion stopped making two killer speakers : G12H-100, and G10s-50.

I was working as 2nd guitarist with Sonny Rhodes and we did a long show with The Broadcasters during 1988-89. I put two G12H-100's into Ronnie Earl's Twin back in 1988 after one of his Altec 470's started making noise. I had four of the G10S-50's in my '66 Super Reverb, and gave two of 'em to Ronnie, which he used as the top speakers in his super and two stockers on the bottom. I did the same to my Super. I don't know if he still uses them, but they really opened up his sound. I did not like those Altecs in Ronnie's Twin...they could make your ears bleed.

[jimfog]

YI had four of the G10S-50's in my '66 Super Reverb, and gave two of 'em to Ronnie, which he used as the top speakers in his super and two stockers on the bottom. I did the same to my Super. I don't know if he still uses them, but they really opened up his sound.

George,

What do you like in Super Reverbs now? I just got a stock 68 blackline SR with the original CTS Alnicos.......they sound great, but a wee bit mid-scooped, to my ears. Any suggestions?

I have a C-12-70 in that Deluxe Reverb everyone was playing at Jerzees. No one mentions them, but I really love it.........never farts out, nice even mids, and crunches up without getting harsh.

- Jim

[jumpnblues]

"[We have a Deluxe with a G12H-30 and two Deluxe Reverbs, one with a G12H-30 and the second amp loaded with G12H-100 (The Reissue G12H-30 is built on the old 100 frame and magnet) which we A/B/C'd with the Tremblelux and a mid '56 Tremolux 5E9A. The Louis Tremblelux is a variation on the Tremolux platform (without getting into proprietary specifics). It has all the character of the 50's amp ... with the advantage of a bigger sound when needed. Each Tremblelux is meticuously hand voiced. The Deluxes and Deluxe Reverbs, on the other hand do sound "bigger" with the speaker swap, but they each present their own unique spectrum of touch sensitivity, tonality and gain characteristics.

Lou Rosano has cared for, and also modded a variety of the older amps for many top names in the music business, including many of my industry clients. He remarked one evening that he loved the tweed amps, and wanted to give guitarists "more". We both love the old Tremolux (I'm still kicking myself in the ass for selling mine), and I brought up the issue of always wanting a 5E9-A that could push harder, and a bit louder with much of the same personality of the original. Lou shouted "let's do it".

Lou devoted a tremendous amount of time to the Tremblelux project and invested thousand of dollars into experimentation, tooling and the design of the transformers. Much more time was spent in the choice of components and circuit voicing until everything came together. The proto-type took my breath away. Duke Robillard, who uses a Deluxe Reverb (with a variety of different speakers, I might add )bought one of the first Trebleluxes on the spot...

The Tremblelux is a serious tool for the professional musician who needs both refined tone, AND enough power to work in a variety of situations, including recording and big band scenairos.]"



Homina...homina...homina...homina...homina...homin a...homina...homina...homina...homina...


Tom ;)

[fretshop]

George,

What do you like in Super Reverbs now? I just got a stock 68 blackline SR with the original CTS Alnicos.......they sound great, but a wee bit mid-scooped, to my ears. Any suggestions?

I have a C-12-70 in that Deluxe Reverb everyone was playing at Jerzees. No one mentions them, but I really love it.........never farts out, nice even mids, and crunches up without getting harsh.

- Jim

The C12-70 has always been an OEM industry standard speaker. It is famous for its high end sparkle and smooth British break up when pushed.

I use the G12H-100 because it has an extended high and low end. Not really louder than the 70...just "rounder" If you'd like...I can bring my DR along with the Louis, so you can hear the Celestion.

Super Reverb: If you can find G12S-50's , buy 'em, even used. The CTS Ceramics are more focused and beamy than the Alnicos...The ceramic CTS is Anson's Funderburgh's favorite speaker in the Super. He'd buy 'em from ya in a heart beat.

I like the Stock OEM Eminence "staple magnet" Alnicos that were in the original tweed BM Reissues, either in a quartet, or with 2 G10's for extended range. Acouple people told me that they like the Celestion Vintage 10 speakers.

[Jeff Michael]

I put two G12H-100's into Ronnie Earl's Twin back in 1988 after one of his Altec 470's started making noise. I had four of the G10S-50's in my '66 Super Reverb, and gave two of 'em to Ronnie, which he used as the top speakers in his super and two stockers on the bottom. I did the same to my Super. I don't know if he still uses them, but they really opened up his sound. I did not like those Altecs in Ronnie's Twin...they could make your ears bleed.

You said a mouthful brother. Ronnie sure knifed the air back then.

JAM

[jimfog]

You said a mouthful brother. Ronnie sure knifed the air back then.

So...here's Jeff, with Ronnie Earl as the guitarist in the Mighty Rhythm Kings.

"Umm, look, Ronnie......you gotta turn down, dude....I mean WAY down!!"

Yet another case of the MAN :MMM keeping us DOWN!!!

"Oh look at me....I'm a bass player who doesn't have tinnitus.........I don't want my sensitive musician ears to bleed....blah, blah blah....."

Lousy Hearing Nazi!!!!

[jimfog]

I can bring my DR along with the Louis, so you can hear the Celestion.

Thanks George, but I'm pretty happy with what's in mine......besides, I have any issue in that very few speakers will FIT in my DR. The speaker cut-out in the baffle is just an inch or two too high, which makes it really tough to fit speakers past the tranny. Really odd. Must have had the baffle replaced at some point.

[TwoFeets]

George,

What do you like in Super Reverbs now? I just got a stock 68 blackline SR with the original CTS Alnicos.......they sound great, but a wee bit mid-scooped, to my ears. Any suggestions?

I have a C-12-70 in that Deluxe Reverb everyone was playing at Jerzees. No one mentions them, but I really love it.........never farts out, nice even mids, and crunches up without getting harsh.

- Jim

Right after hurricane Charley I bought two blackline 1968 Supers and a box of pedals from a guy here, $750 for the lot. One of the Supers needed some help, including a set of new speakers. The working one had CTS Alnicos in it. Once I got the non-working amp running, I put 2 C10R's and 2 C10Q's in it. Holy crap! It ran circles around the one with the CTS Alnicos in it. I was really surprised since the only reason I went with those speakers was that they were used, and they were cheap, and I was trying to flip the amp for as much profit as possible.

[jimfog]

One of the Supers needed some help, including a set of new speakers. The working one had CTS Alnicos in it. Once I got the non-working amp running, I put 2 C10R's and 2 C10Q's in it. Holy crap! It ran circles around the one with the CTS Alnicos in it.

Feets,

Curious what you mean by "ran circles"??? Was it louder, fatter, bigger, etc?

Wondering, because, I don't necessarily want the amp to be any LOUDER......just a little thicker in the mids.

Thanks!

[TwoFeets]

Feets,

Curious what you mean by "ran circles"??? Was it louder, fatter, bigger, etc?

Wondering, because, I don't necessarily want the amp to be any LOUDER......just a little thicker in the mids.

Thanks!

It just overall was much richer sounding. Fuller, more harmonically complex. Volume wise, about the same. I was expecting the amp to sound harsher and brighter, but not so.

[valcotone]

Right after hurricane Charley I bought two blackline 1968 Supers and a box of pedals from a guy here, $750 for the lot. One of the Supers needed some help, including a set of new speakers. The working one had CTS Alnicos in it. Once I got the non-working amp running, I put 2 C10R's and 2 C10Q's in it. Holy crap! It ran circles around the one with the CTS Alnicos in it. I was really surprised since the only reason I went with those speakers was that they were used, and they were cheap, and I was trying to flip the amp for as much profit as possible.


Just curious, but did you happen to run the amps into each others cabs?... maybe the circuitry was also contributing to the differences you observed. Not saying that speakers wouldn't make a big difference (I believe they always always do), but there are other factors involved to.

I had a '67 Super Reverb (hi Nick!) but had to sell it to a local player... I couldn't use it in any of the venues we play at - too L-O-U-D. Sounded fantastic though with the original CTS Alnicos (little smoother) or MojoTone MP10R (little brighter and louder).

[valcotone]

Hmmm, how to post an ad without posting an ad... pre ebay notice:

If'n anyone out there thinks they might be interested in a modded 1957 Silvertone H61 archtop (same basic family as an H62) with 2 Lollar dogear P90s, or a sweet Edwards P90 Gold Top Les Paul also with Lollars, please give me a shout....

[TwoFeets]

Just curious, but did you happen to run the amps into each others cabs?... maybe the circuitry was also contributing to the differences you observed. Not saying that speakers wouldn't make a big difference (I believe they always always do), but there are other factors involved to.

I had a '67 Super Reverb (hi Nick!) but had to sell it to a local player... I couldn't use it in any of the venues we play at - too L-O-U-D. Sounded fantastic though with the original CTS Alnicos (little smoother) or MojoTone MP10R (little brighter and louder).


Yeah I actually did just that, I was that surprised at the results.

[jetlag]

Jim, I used to use Super Reverbs alot in the 90's and went thru a lot of the speaker iterations. I'm wondering if there is just something wrong with that amp or the CTS cones because my experience with CTS alnicos is that they are inefficient, mid heavy, rolled off highs and lows. They made the super rev work hard and break up with a great fattening midrange and just made a SR viable for me. The inefficiency of those speakers reallly pulled the tone out of the amp. I can't remember how many of the CTS I had were original cones, but I blew a lot of cones when I started gigging the amp. I got them reconed by a guy in St Louis that NMontz also uses and he just does something when he recones them to make a super reverb really work. I would also look at tubes and bias as well - some of those sovtek 12AX7WA, WB and WXTC really really suck. Output tubes seem to really make a difference in supers too. So do their bias - you really want to run the bias fairly hot on a SR to induce more sag and get that midrange thing happening. Good luck with your super - hopefully it's a AB763 (blackface) circuit and hopefully you get it dialed in to your liking. Good luck.

[Schwalbe]

Has anybody seen these. I remember somebody was asking about Harmony knobs once. I have no idea if these are any good, just passing along what I stumbled across.
http://i16.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/dd/df/6f2d_1.JPG
Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/2odga6

[HappyValley]

Ahem..." Wow, look what I just saw on Ebay!! Something SOMEBODY here might dig!!"...ahem.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=170198365435&Category=2384&_trksid=p3907.m29

[zappafrank]

Nice one Nick!! Sneaky devil...

Since this page or two is talking about Supers and Deluxes---I need some expert, WC thread, Ronnie Earl-sound Blackface/silverface advice and ideas.

Long story short: Paris Slim (Goldwasser) has fallen hard for my 57' 'Mary Kaye' style RI strat w/ Voodoos. (Nick, you know the one) He wants to trade an amp. I have tried, and said no, to his SF Twin ad SF Pro, but he has a Blackfaced SF Deluxe (w/ repro face plate) that I like pretty well.
But I have a Carr Rambler, already. Different, yet kinda similar and pretty cool.
I don't care, at this point if the DR is 'stock', original or whatever---AND, I want an amp to get that Ronnie Earl clean sparkle thing. Do not have one (Carr's closest)

IF---I get this Delexe (it has my 66' C12N in it)---what can I do to get it more 'Super-esque'? I know it can have a diff. cap to bring out thicker mids, and a bias resistor change to allow it to take 6l6's---fairly cheap tricks.


Fretshop and others:

Would that get me where I want to go? Would I also need to get a bigger OT to get closer to Super" (not THAT loud, but more headroom than a stock DR is what I think I want/need) What type of OT and other changes?

I have 4 mojotone MP10R's---a new baffle and 2 of those? A different 12?
Am I stupid and crazy to think this way?

All ideas GREATLY appreciated---and Thinsocks---that Bandmaster GOD!

ac

[nmontz]

Wow thats a killer deal and a great trade! You could put a copper cap rectifier and stick 6L6gc's in it? Maybe go with a brighter speaker like a weber c12n or a alltone.... I have a friend with two bf deluxe reverbs. He has one of them set up like that and it is pretty zingy, especially with the weber which is really bright. Don't know if it sounds like a SR though....it's the small cab and single 12 thing. If you have the amp you should be able to trade it into a sf twin, PR or SR as I would think the deluxe would be worth more. The headroom comes with the extra watts of the SR and the 3d tone of those 4x10 speakers moving air. Even when I had a pair of vibrolux reverbs they didn't have that SR thing going on...although I once had a great sounding 71' Vibrolux Reverb that was close. The VR cab is only a little bigger than a DR too.

Good luck AC with the deluxe....I've often tried to change an amp into something it really isn't and my attempts fell short. In the long run I would have saved money just getting what I wanted to begin with. The DR is a great amp and very portable so I hope you get it to work out for you.

[pete kanaras]

I have 4 mojotone MP10R's---a new baffle and 2 of those?

very cool option, my dr is set up that way(2 eminence ceramic 60watt legend 10's, killer speakers). my amp is heavily modded and i'm running a 4ohm total load, but if i were running a stock dr with 2-10's i'd get 'em in 16 ohms each to keep the total load at 8ohms, which a stock dr wants to see. do not clip out the bright cap in ch2 if you want that sparkle, and leave the midrange resistor be, or if you want more change it to a .01(equivalent to a bf midrange control on 10, stock is about 6 1/2)

as far as 12's go you already have what is, in my opinion, the best 12 for a dr, a real C12N. never heard anything yet that i like better in that amp

[zappafrank]

thanks for the replies! Keep em' coming---thx!!!

ac

[HappyValley]

Zappafrank-
All the options mentioned seem very cool, but I'd seriously start small - like trying a couple different 12" speaker options-before I'd go buying baffles, cabs, trannies,etc. The $$ can add up quickly! A good strat through that amp with an efficient speaker should give you (at medium club volume) enough headroom to accomplish tones comparable to Ronnie's signature sound.
I had a '65 BFDR many years ago, when I 1st started playing actually,and to this day it may have been the best sounding amp I ever had, I just didn't know enough at the time to hold on to it. I had a Brown Deluxe years later that was durn tootin' as well...the Fender Deluxe, in all it's forms from the tweed thru early silver era, is probably my single favorite amp design.

[Strat-O]

ZF - I think what you need is a Victoria Victorilux with 3x10's and two 6V6's. Forget the EL84 versions...too squishy. But, that's what the Victorilux was designed to be...in between a Deluxe Reverb and Super Reverb. Killah amp. Then you don't have to hassle with trying to make an amp sound like something else. Somebody else already did it for you.

I had to sell mine last year because I was short of cash. I'm looking to replace it ASAP. Beats the Carr Rambler by a longshot too. IMHO. :-)

[stratotonedude]

I just got myself a 1966 Princeton, my first ever blackface Fender. I like it alot. I plan on getting myself a few more old Fenders over the next year or two.

[jumpnblues]

One other low powered idea...Allen Accomplice. And it comes in a kit if you desire to build it yourself. You can build it/have it built any way you want. Just a thought.


Tom

[Schwalbe]

A real Jensen C12N is a great DR speaker. The Weber version, 12F150 is more efficient, louder and it seems a little stiffer IMO. That's what's in mine, sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. I wonder what an EV or the Weber equivalent would sound like? Some folks like JBL's in DR's, IMO they sound harsh, YMMV of course. A high efficiency, high powered speaker might move you into SR territory, maybe.
As for circuit mods, bump the 6.8K resistor hanging off the bass pot up to 10K and you'll have mids on 'ten'. I've gone as high as 27K in that spot, it gets pretty thick. Dropping the value of the slope resistor can make a dramatic difference in the mids, even going from the stock 100K to 82K is noticeable to my ear. If it's got a .047 uf cap for the mids, changing it to a .022 uf will voice it sorta like an SR. In mine I've got the mid cap at .033 which is AA763 specs.
Biasing it a little on the cold side will help it stay clean and sparkley so setting up to idle at < 70% might help a bit.
Anyway, getting a DR to sound like an SR is a tall order. I tried years ago and maybe got close, but eventually embraced the DR for what it is.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-zVKzkRzo&feature=related

there are a bunch of new Jr. Watson vids up on you tube. Thanks Carstenlarsson whoever you are! fred

[karmadave]

\Watching Jr. playing all those horn lines, on the guitar, is just inspiring!

-KD

[Goldie295]

I want an amp to get that Ronnie Earl clean sparkle thing. Do not have one (Carr's closest)


AC,

First of all - GAS alert !! Do you really want to part with the Mary Kaye?? I have lost so much good stuff like this, sorta kidded myself into bad deals just because I want to try something different for a bit. Why not swap for a couple of weeks on the basis it is just a temporary lend. If you find you still have the stuff a year later (and you are happy) then you can make it official. Just an idea.

Anyway, the main reason for this post is to tell you something you and everyone else here will not believe (:roll), but if you get a Love Pedal Super 6, all it does is the Ronnie Earl sound (just add reverb). No need for cap this or tube that or speaker the other. But don't take my word for it. Try one out, perhaps with the Carr??

Cheers,
Phil

[safecracker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-zVKzkRzo&feature=related

there are a bunch of new Jr. Watson vids up on you tube. Thanks Carstenlarsson whoever you are! fred
Fred, Thanks for heads up on those vids. That just made my morning! Shawn

[jimfog]

George,

Thanks for coming out to Jerzees on Saturday, and bringing Mike and his lovely wife. You should consider writing a book, with all those stories!

I dug the TrembleLux. It was a blast to get a full set in on it. It's a sweet amp that I'm sure anyone would love playing. Those couple little variations we discussed would make it a lot more usable, for me..........but we're all different. I'm not sure I would go for that exact model if $$$ were no object.....but playing it certainly makes me want check out the rest of Lou's amps. Quality stuff.

You might get a kick out of this, having been at the gig. Honestly, we had a REALLY rough night musically on Saturday. Personally, I can't remember when I played worse than that 1st set..........I apologize if it showed too badly. Anyway, it was so bad that Jeff started a thread about it, and had an epiphany:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=361155

[fretshop]

Feets,

Curious what you mean by "ran circles"??? Was it louder, fatter, bigger, etc?

Wondering, because, I don't necessarily want the amp to be any LOUDER......just a little thicker in the mids.

Thanks!

If you have the AB763 layout, HAVE YOUR AMP TECH DO THIS MOD, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT YOURSELF IF YOU'RE NOT EXPERIENCED WORKING ON AMPS, BECAUSE YOU COULD KILL YOURSELF....it's reversible, and you'll know immediately if you like it or not. Have your amp tech replace the 250pf capacitor in the Reverb Channel tone stack, (usually ceramic in the mid 60's Supers). Have your tech replace it with either a 270pf or maybe a 300pf cap. That should add some midrange, but it will also add "high-midrange" and may take some of the crispness out of the high end. It will also reduce some of the "scooped tone" that Supers are famous for. There are other cap and resistor mods that will alter frequencies and voltages to fatten up the Super Reverb ... but it won't sound like a Super any more.

There are almost endless speaker choices as well these days, and a chat with Ted Weber senior might be a good place to start...that is, if you can get in touch with him.

[fretshop]

George,

Thanks for coming out to Jerzees on Saturday, and bringing Mike and his lovely wife. You should consider writing a book, with all those stories!

I dug the TrembleLux. It was a blast to get a full set in on it. It's a sweet amp that I'm sure anyone would love playing. Those couple little variations we discussed would make it a lot more usable, for me..........but we're all different. I'm not sure I would go for that exact model if $$$ were no object.....but playing it certainly makes me want check out the rest of Lou's amps. Quality stuff.

You might get a kick out of this, having been at the gig. Honestly, we had a REALLY rough night musically on Saturday. Personally, I can't remember when I played worse than that 1st set..........I apologize if it showed too badly. Anyway, it was so bad that Jeff started a thread about it, and had an epiphany:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=361155

You sounded extremely good, and I personally enjoyed the way you had your Deluxe Reverb set up. All the guitarists commented on the tone of your "Tux", but the tone from your red Strat was to die for....and I don't give compliments lightly. You got both Mike and me going with your rendition of Sissy Strut. Your idias on the Trmeblelux are already in process, as Lou and I discussed expanding the high end capability and the possibility of adding a presence control as a special order only item. My Tremeblelux will have a bit crisper tonal response a half power switch, and maybe separate treble and bass controls...I don't know yet, I'm still mulling it over.

re: Jeff's busting your chops. Look at it as a form of Karma that has re-visited you for all the times you poked fun at poor (old, bald and crabby) Dave Orban. (Am I going to Hell for this?)

[Dave Orban]

Don't forget "gassy...".

[bbarnard]

thanks for the replies! Keep em' coming---thx!!!

ac

I hate to be the fly in the ointment but I'm going to say that I think you'll be unhappy with the sound of anything that isn't a Twin Reverb or a Super (the two primary things that Ronnie uses). I think a lot of people who seek that Super Reverb sound too frequently dismiss the fact that what I believe really drives that sound is FOUR tens running at TWO Ohms. I just don't think you can create something that does that sound with anything less. I had an Allen Old Flame (which is supposed to be based on the SR circuit) with 2 tens but it didn't sound like a SR. And I think that Ronnies tone on Virtuoso in Europe is somewhat tighter and brighter because he used a TR on that recording than most of his recent ones which are the SR. In fact when I went to NGW a few years back, Ronnie was one of the guest artists and the first night he played through a TR reissue that they had. He still sounded like Ronnie but he had his wife bring down his SR the next day and the difference was pretty amazing. More complex, not as bright but still very articulate.

Just my $0.02.

[zappafrank]

Strat-O---thanks for the suggestion---I actually had a 3-10 6L6 Victorilux---too much for my needs, usually, so I sold it a couple years back...great amp, tho

Goldie----I have TOO many guitars, and 2 strats that fill the bill (the Pee Wee for Maple, and a 64' refin---my baby), and I never got 'attached' to the USA 57' RI----Franck sounds like it's born to be in his hands. I think the trade is fair, as the DR is a silverface that has been blackfaced... seems financially pretty dead even, as the white blonde 57's are a bit more money due to rarity.

backalley---I'll def start small, if I do anything---thx!

bbaranard---you are probably right, as others have also eluded too---If I get it, I think I will basically just take it for what it is, and work on just a bit more headroom---'cause those 6v6 sounds are pretty sweet, I have to say===

lots to chew on, thanks gents!

ac

[jumpnblues]

"[...YOU COULD KILL YOURSELF....it's reversible...]"


George, I always knew you were a miracle man! ;) :D


Tom