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GOLDENSTRAT
03-08-2008, 05:42 PM
'One Mint Julip" made me think of Ronnie Earl's "Stickin" and Jimmie Vaughan's " Extra Jimmies" . Lots of great turn arounds too. fred
Poppa Stoppa
03-09-2008, 05:42 AM
I gave my H-62 a workout this weekend, its first voyage since I installed the Fretshop wiring harness. The taper on the volume pots had been on/off, making it annoying to play, but that is no longer a problem. It's a screamer; the out-of-phase middle position, now that I can actually control it, is scary. I play in a somewhat take-no-prisoners band, but I almost had to rein it in now and then. Scott, George, - what pots and caps did ya use? Any secrets you can share?
If anyone has a cleanish Fender Head, with no mildew/mold smells
I am lookin for a spare:
Black or Silver Face no MV.
Bassman, Bandmaster, Super Reverb or Bandmaster Reverb head.
email me, please
kennyblueray@comcast.net
Scott Miller
03-09-2008, 04:32 PM
"Scott, George, - what pots and caps did ya use? Any secrets you can share?"
Hell if I know. I just kind of said "Help!" and then bought the thing from George and had a guy here install it.
Short Bus
03-09-2008, 06:58 PM
Holmstrom in Pittsburgh last year with Mavis
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xb5S7rzAI4E
Great tone!
mikelaw
03-09-2008, 07:43 PM
Holmstrom in Pittsburgh last year with Mavis
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xb5S7rzAI4E
Great tone!
and fingers of course...
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6615/pedals0202bm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Kool stuff from LA Holmes and Jeff Turmes. (Great Gig, too)
GOLDENSTRAT
03-09-2008, 08:16 PM
OK, if teles with a great lead pickup sound fat and gnarly and the rhythm pups sound good but not fabulous or as distinctive, has anyone put a tele lead pup in the neck position too? thanks, fred
I had a Strat w/ 3 Van Zandt Tele bridge pups, awesome...
wish i had it back!!!!!!!!
Scott Miller
03-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Chris Andersen last night: Imagine Chris doing Magic Sam's Boogie, and then imagine him using a looper on it. Har!!!
Strat-O
03-10-2008, 06:37 AM
"Mavis Staples' guitar player" sounds good. :)
valcotone
03-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Inspired by that old, bald and gassy fellow ;-) ... I recently put a Lollar Charlie Christian pickup in the neck of my favourite parts tele... it reads 3.5K but easily keeps up with the 8K Lollar Special T in the bridge. Nice big tones.
http://www.kilback.net/pics/ccpickup002sml.jpg
safecracker
03-10-2008, 12:26 PM
Inspired by that old, bald and gassy fellow ;-) ... I recently put a Lollar Charlie Christian pickup in the neck of my favourite parts tele... it reads 3.5K but easily keeps up with the 8K Lollar Special T in the bridge. Nice big tones.
http://www.kilback.net/pics/ccpickup002sml.jpg
Great looking axe!
Dave Orban
03-10-2008, 02:17 PM
Inspired by that old, bald and gassy fellow ;-) ... I recently put a Lollar Charlie Christian pickup in the neck of my favourite parts tele... it reads 3.5K but easily keeps up with the 8K Lollar Special T in the bridge. Nice big tones.
http://www.kilback.net/pics/ccpickup002sml.jpgHey! I resemble that remark...!
straightblues
03-10-2008, 03:37 PM
Nice looking tele Valcotone.
Here is my latest parts tele. It is a warmoth body and neck. Don Mare broadcaster pickup in the bridge and his S.Tele in the neck. Glendale Cold Rolled bridge. It sounds great. I did the paint and cut the pickguard myself. I classed it up with some Harmony cup cake knobs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1427.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1419.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1358.jpg
GOLDENSTRAT
03-10-2008, 03:58 PM
um, WOW!
Great playing and guitar tone on those youtubes clips George !!
mr_jlemko
03-10-2008, 08:43 PM
Chris Andersen last night: Imagine Chris doing Magic Sam's Boogie, and then imagine him using a looper on it. Har!!!
The Kid did tear it up on Saturday night. The first time he did that it completely caught me surprise.
Scott Miller
03-10-2008, 11:37 PM
I went on another Excello compilation binge recently, and the one that stands out is "Deep Harmonica Blues" on the Ace label. It doesn't have as much life-changing guitar (like "My Home is a Prison" and "Chicken Hearted Woman") but it has some great tunes, and really raw wacked-out harp. Kind of the Excello harp equivalent of Excello guitar.
My name is Scott and I'm an Excello-holic...
glblues
03-11-2008, 12:14 AM
Wow, I knew it would sound good but I didn't realize it would sound this good. It kind of took me a little by surprise as I thought it's a reverb unit...nothing really special about that. But it actually enhances the tone without altering it, if that makes any sense. The vintage Fender units probably do the same thing. Much more transparent than I expected. The tone control does a good job of giving it that sort of compressed Fender sound like on the live Ronnie Earl/Jimmy Rogers CD. Definitely a keeper and well worth the wait. It's been awhile since I played through a Fender tank so I'm not sure how close to an original it sounds, but I sure do like what I'm hearing. Drenched and rich sounding. Now for that Louis Tremblelux... :dude:dude:dude
Tom
dammit, you're killing me!
i dont think i can afford anything for a while after upgrading my guitars with rs kits and my 135 with lollar 50s p90s
no! i have to force myself to be happy with just a reverb PEDAL..... :BOUNCE
fretshop
03-11-2008, 06:18 AM
OK, if teles with a great lead pickup sound fat and gnarly and the rhythm pups sound good but not fabulous or as distinctive, has anyone put a tele lead pup in the neck position too? thanks, fred
I made a Tele style instrument for Richie Sambora that had three WL Vanzandt bridge pickups installed, and a voiced harness. That axe was stolen during a gear heist. The problem with using the bridge pickup in the neck position was the magnet spacing vs. the string spacing at the neck area. I made a second, less ornate lefty model in 1987 for Mark Dronge (previous owner of Guild Guitars) when the company was trying to romance Elliott Easton...don't know what happened to that one.
fretshop
03-11-2008, 06:22 AM
Nice looking tele Valcotone.
Here is my latest parts tele. It is a warmoth body and neck. Don Mare broadcaster pickup in the bridge and his S.Tele in the neck. Glendale Cold Rolled bridge. It sounds great. I did the paint and cut the pickguard myself. I classed it up with some Harmony cup cake knobs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1427.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1419.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/straightblues/IMG_1358.jpg
Gorgeous !!! I'll bet it sounds great too !!!
fretshop
03-11-2008, 06:26 AM
Philly Reunion Gang:
Our Drummer in the Philly Soiree You Tube clips passed away yesterday, very unexpectedly....Very young fellow. We're meeting at The Franklin Tavern tomorrow night.
As this is the internet, I thought it best not to divulge too much here out of repect for his family's privacy.
Please check your e-mails
Dave Orban
03-11-2008, 06:44 AM
Philly Reunion Gang: Our Drummer in the You Tube clips passed away yesterday, very unexpectedly....Very young fellow. We're meeting at The Franklin tomorrow night.
Check your e-mailsWow!
Jeff Michael
03-11-2008, 08:27 AM
Oh George--that's terrible news. I can't make the Franklin tomorrow night, but please raise a cold one to Vegas for me while you're there.
I honestly can't think of more to say.
JAM
GOLDENSTRAT
03-11-2008, 08:29 AM
Sorry, very sad news Fretshop. fred
fretshop
03-11-2008, 09:03 AM
Oh George--that's terrible news. I can't make the Franklin tomorrow night, but please raise a cold one to Vegas for me while you're there.
I honestly can't think of more to say.
JAM
He was a truly wonderful young man !!! A very kind and personable fellow....his spirit and outlook were warm and bright in a cold and dark world. Such a cool guy...Pete loved to play his drums. He drove around in a 70's Coupe De Ville with his rig in the trunk...and a box of expensive cigars on the seat...always ready for a gig. He tried to enjoy his life to the fullest, and was one of the best swing and shuffle drummers I had ever had the pleasure to work with. He kept remarking to me that couldn't wait to get back to Jerzee's to hang out with the "Philly Reunion Crew". Pete really enjoyed meeting all of you. We're dedicating the upcoming Military Families fundraiser "Help For Heros" to him.
susudio
03-11-2008, 09:12 AM
Philly Reunion Gang:
Our Drummer in the Philly Soiree You Tube clips passed away yesterday, very unexpectedly....Very young fellow. We're meeting at The Franklin Tavern tomorrow night.
As this is the internet, I thought it best not to divulge too much here out of repect for his family's privacy.
Please check your e-mails
George, I didn't know him that well but he always had a smile and a great attitude. I had the pleasure of playing a fun set with him at the Franklin on his birthday.
He'll be missed by many. RIP Vegas
pete kanaras
03-11-2008, 09:56 AM
that's horrible george, he was waaay too young. please send my condolences
Echo Are
03-11-2008, 10:37 AM
My name is Scott and I'm an Excello-holic...
And the label had a really cool-looking logo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrXHLTRWAIQ
Those of you who've only heard Rod Bernard's hit version of the above song will find this one a treat.
jumpnblues
03-11-2008, 12:51 PM
My goodness George, that is terrible. So very sorry to hear it. I just went to my second funeral in as many months this AM and it sucks. But it's part of life. Sorry again, George.
Tom
jumpnblues
03-11-2008, 12:56 PM
gl,
I can't remember if I mentioned it to you but Weber makes a really good outboard reverb tank kit in case you have tech skills and knowledge. You can get one of Ted's kits with both reverb and tremolo if you want. I don't have the knowledge and experience to build one although I can solder, so I bought one of Ron Veil's tanks. So far, I'm really happy with it.
P.S. I'll bet that 135 sounds killer. I like those guitars.
Tom
Scott Miller
03-11-2008, 01:11 PM
Yikes! Some of you prolly got this from Charlie Lange, but here's a synopsis:
"Due to recent lawsuits brought by large multi national music corporations, many legitimately licensed titles from such respected labels as ACE & BEAR FAMILY will be unavailable here in the US soon... We are going through our inventory and marking these titles so you can
easily find them on our website.. By typing the word BLOCKED into
the search box, you will see titles that will soon be unavailable here in
the US..."
Crikey. Half of my blues collection is on Ace.
GOLDENSTRAT
03-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up Scott. Grabbed the Gene Phillips cd. Any must haves on that list? fred
Thinsocks
03-11-2008, 02:20 PM
Thanks for the heads up Scott. Grabbed the Gene Phillips cd. Any must haves on that list? fred
Both the Roy Hawkins records are worth having. He had a string of good guitar players on a lot of that stuff - Johhny Moore, Lafayette Thomas, T-Bone, Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris also is on guitar on a lot of the stuff on the Young Jessie CD. The Floyd Dixon disc is worth the money too. Tiny Webb is playin guitar on some of that Dixon stuff. That Gene Phillips cd is the pick of the bunch though IMHO. Phillips had the best West Coast blues sideman on his records. Jake Porter, Maxwell Davis, Lloyd Glenn and a string of really swinging drummers. In fact, that's hands down my favorite blues drumming on any record. Do you have that George Smith cd? That's a must have too.
Scott Miller
03-11-2008, 02:37 PM
The first time I heard jump blues of any kind was from a Gene Phillips LP a friend of mine found at a Goodwill store, probably 1970. One of those Crown releases, I think. My head kind of exploded; it sounded like jazz musicians playing I-don't-know-what.
Anyway, I'm partial to those early Jimmy McCracklin CDs (more Lafayette Thomas), the Johnny Otis 50s broadcasts, and (not on that list, but it will be) "Dig These Blues Volume 2" has a bunch of cool stuff, including three songs that Nemeth recorded on "Come and Get It," although John found them via Jr. Watson's 45 collection.
TwoFeets
03-11-2008, 02:45 PM
Richard Berry and Young Jessie are cool kind of proto-rock and roll records. Check em out!
S.W.Erdnase
03-11-2008, 03:05 PM
I went on another Excello compilation binge recently, and the one that stands out is "Deep Harmonica Blues" on the Ace label. It doesn't have as much life-changing guitar (like "My Home is a Prison" and "Chicken Hearted Woman") but it has some great tunes, and really raw wacked-out harp. Kind of the Excello harp equivalent of Excello guitar.
My name is Scott and I'm an Excello-holic...
Which CD is "My Home Is A Prison" on?
Scott Miller
03-11-2008, 03:14 PM
"Which CD is "My Home Is A Prison" on?"
Best of Excello Records- 30 Classic Tracks, the one with the guy with a Tele on the cover. Killer CD! Although my wife is sick of it because it has some really great and raw doo-wop on it, and a little doo-wop goes a long way with her. But also because I play it so damn much.
Schwalbe
03-11-2008, 06:00 PM
Philly Reunion Gang:
Our Drummer in the Philly Soiree You Tube clips passed away yesterday, very unexpectedly....Very young fellow. We're meeting at The Franklin Tavern tomorrow night.
As this is the internet, I thought it best not to divulge too much here out of respect for his family's privacy.
Please check your e-mails
That's terribly sad news. I didn't know him but it's always a shame to loose a friend and a fellow Blues musician besides. My condolences.
gl,
I can't remember if I mentioned it to you but Weber makes a really good outboard reverb tank kit in case you have tech skills and knowledge. You can get one of Ted's kits with both reverb and tremolo if you want. I don't have the knowledge and experience to build one although I can solder, so I bought one of Ron Veil's tanks. So far, I'm really happy with it.
P.S. I'll bet that 135 sounds killer. I like those guitars.
Tom
I've got one of those Weber units, good stuff IMO. They need a couple of of tweeks but the bones are all there. A Mullard CV4024 helps a lot.
Yikes! Some of you prolly got this from Charlie Lange, but here's a synopsis:
"Due to recent lawsuits brought by large multi national music corporations, many legitimately licensed titles from such respected labels as ACE & BEAR FAMILY will be unavailable here in the US soon... We are going through our inventory and marking these titles so you can
easily find them on our website.. By typing the word BLOCKED into
the search box, you will see titles that will soon be unavailable here in
the US..."
Crikey. Half of my blues collection is on Ace.
Yeah I got that. So who are these multi-national corporations? I need to make sure I don't spend any money with those outfits.
I looked at the blocked list. Wow, BB, Pee Wee, Fulson, George Smith, Jimmy McCracklin... It's a damn shame these recordings won't be available. Kind of puts a dent in the future of what we do and having a chance to pass that along to the next generation.
valcotone
03-11-2008, 09:12 PM
The recordings should still be available, just as imports. Or purchased through some place like GEMM. (http://www.gemm.com/) Or, a US-based company may license them and reissue them again.
It's a shame though, those ACE collections are great, I really like the early BB King ones, and Gene Phillips who Thinsocks turned me onto. Killer stuff!
mikelaw
03-12-2008, 08:55 AM
blues jam monday played my boy's black bassman head through a 1-12" cabinet, sounded KILLER! was like a black deluxe on steroids! great tone, fat bass, awesome gain. i turned and looked, bass was on 12, treble on 1, volume cranked. dope! he said the only thing he's done is change one of the 12ax7's to a 12at7. man was it stellar!
jumpnblues
03-12-2008, 01:39 PM
Black Bassman heads do indeed sound killer. Great amps and very underrated.
Tom
GOLDENSTRAT
03-12-2008, 08:57 PM
word up. Blue beat has (had) a cd from Rob Rio Called "Swingtrain" that advertises that Jr. Watson "rips on guitar" on but I can tell you sadly that there is no guitar on the cd. fred
jetlag
03-13-2008, 09:48 AM
That Gene Phillips cd is the pick of the bunch though IMHO. Phillips had the best West Coast blues sideman on his records. Jake Porter, Maxwell Davis, Lloyd Glenn and a string of really swinging drummers. In fact, that's hands down my favorite blues drumming on any record.
Hey, are you guys talking about "Swinging the Blues" or "Drinkin' and Stinkin' ?"
fretshop
03-13-2008, 10:46 AM
Hey, are you guys talking about "Swinging the Blues" or "Drinkin' and Stinkin' ?"
Karl,
Swinging the Blues is supposed to be the defnitive compilation. I was told that Drinkin' & Stinkin' was good but that a "first choice" should be the Swinging CD.
Thinsocks
03-13-2008, 11:49 AM
Hey, are you guys talking about "Swinging the Blues" or "Drinkin' and Stinkin' ?"
I like both and both contain recordings from the same time span, but Swinging was issued first and has the higher charting sides that Phillips released. Some good stuff on Drinkin' though.
jumpnblues
03-13-2008, 03:15 PM
word up. Blue beat has (had) a cd from Rob Rio Called "Swingtrain" that advertises that Jr. Watson "rips on guitar" on but I can tell you sadly that there is no guitar on the cd. fred
Yeah, I found that out too...about 5 years ago or so. I was disappointed although it's not a bad CD.
Tom
Schwalbe
03-13-2008, 05:26 PM
word up. Blue beat has (had) a cd from Rob Rio Called "Swingtrain" that advertises that Jr. Watson "rips on guitar" on but I can tell you sadly that there is no guitar on the cd. fred
Yeah, I found that out too...about 5 years ago or so. I was disappointed although it's not a bad CD.
Tom
I can't imagine Charlie did that intentionally, I sure hope not. Did you ask him about it?
jumpnblues
03-13-2008, 05:50 PM
No, I haven't asked him about it, but I'm sure it's not intentional. I've been doing business with Charlie for probably close to 10 years and all his descriptions except that one have been dead on. At least that's been my experience.
P.S. Dan, I'm hoping to make it to your Blues On Grand gig in Des Moines the 21st. See ya's there.
Tom
Autopilot Slim
03-13-2008, 06:14 PM
Here is the CD I have with "My Home Is A Prison" on it.
It's a Excello Lonesome Sundown record reissued by Ace.
http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=563
You can pick it up at Triangle Music online.
http://www.triangle-music.com/
Schwalbe
03-13-2008, 08:05 PM
No, I haven't asked him about it, but I'm sure it's not intentional. I've been doing business with Charlie for probably close to 10 years and all his descriptions except that one have been dead on. At least that's been my experience.
P.S. Dan, I'm hoping to make it to your Blues On Grand gig in Des Moines the 21st. See ya's there.
Tom
:BEER
Schwalbe I see you guys are playing at Blues on Grand this month.....as of now I'm planning on trying to make that show. Maybe Jason and Tom can make it too?
I hope you guys can make it. The only other times I've had a chance to hang with WCBer's was when Valcotone was in town and at the IBC with Hartt, Ducoff and Law. Both times it was a blast.
I'll have one of these along, if it hearing one is any enticement.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6615/pedals0202bm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
jumpnblues
03-13-2008, 08:11 PM
:BEER
I hope you guys can make it. The only other times I've had a chance to hang with WCBer's was when Valcotone was in town and at the IBC with Hartt, Ducoff and Law. Both times it was a blast.
I'll have one of these along, if it hearing one is any enticement.
Cool! Isn't Rick Holmstrom using one of those? I was thinking that I read that here awhile back? Anyway, lookin' forward to hearin' and meetin' ya's.
Tom
straightblues
03-13-2008, 09:06 PM
The old Jensen speaker in my Tweed Deluxe clone bit the dust today. I put in a Celestion speaker in that I had laying around and it sounded fantastic in the amp. I was really surprised. Is anyone else using Celestion speakers in thier rigs?
Scott Miller
03-13-2008, 11:04 PM
Awwwwrrrrr.... Crikey! Check out Mike Schermer:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O2joBiJsurs
RickyKing
03-14-2008, 06:59 AM
The L.F. jam looks like a good one.....
Strat-O
03-14-2008, 07:25 AM
This is a great clip with KBR at that jam. Really nice playing and tone. Wonder what the amp rig is?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6SVcJ65PY
nmontz
03-14-2008, 07:43 AM
Dan and Tom.....still planning on making it the 21st. I'll e-mail Bluesbreaker 59 to see if he can make it too. I missed you guys on that Winter Fest thing with RJ at the Fort Des Moines. The roads were real bad that weekend or I would have been there. Looking forward to hearing you guys play next week.
Strat-0,
that is a Lollar P90 bridge, Van Zandt strat neck pup, into an Allen head, it's the 5F2 supposed to be a 62 Vibrolux type amp, with my 2x12 cab, Weber P12N & P12Q. cab
Thanks, for the shout out.
oh and a Reverb Tank RI
The other song is more West Coast swing type.
Goldie295
03-14-2008, 10:47 AM
The old Jensen speaker in my Tweed Deluxe clone bit the dust today. I put in a Celestion speaker in that I had laying around and it sounded fantastic in the amp. I was really surprised. Is anyone else using Celestion speakers in thier rigs?
I use a Celestion G12H in my Tweed Deluxe clone. Big clean sounds. Recommended.
I want to try a Legend 15" 200w in my Pro but can't find one in the UK.
Cheers,
Phil
jumpnblues
03-14-2008, 11:16 AM
I use a Celestion G12H in my Tweed Deluxe clone. Big clean sounds. Recommended.
I want to try a Legend 15" 200w in my Pro but can't find one in the UK.
Cheers,
Phil
My new Louis Electric KR-10/12 has both a Celestion G12H30 and Celestion Vintage 10. Both sound superb, but I think Lou Rosano either hand builds or tweaks them. He's been experimenting with the G12H30, Greenback, and Gold in the Tremblelux I just ordered. I highly recommend Celestions. I also like various Webers and some of the new Eminence speakers but I think Celestions are often overlooked and they make excellent speakers that are particularly good for tweed based amps IMHO.
Tom
Tom
Bluewail
03-14-2008, 11:20 AM
The L.F. jam looks like a good one.....
Oh it is indeed!!:AOK
Check out the schedule past and future as well as some of the photos & video on the site: www.rwcbluesjam.com (http://www.rwcbluesjam.com)
and here's a bit more from last Wed with Steve Freund
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFFcdTMT20
fretshop
03-14-2008, 12:24 PM
My new Louis Electric KR-10/12 has both a Celestion G12H30 and Celestion Vintage 10. Both sound superb, but I think Lou Rosano either hand builds or tweaks them. He's been experimenting with the G12H30, Greenback, and Gold in the Tremblelux I just ordered. I highly recommend Celestions. I also like various Webers and some of the new Eminence speakers but I think Celestions are often overlooked and they make excellent speakers that are particularly good for tweed based amps IMHO.
Tom
Tom
The Tremblelux that I have is loaded with the Hellatone 30 version...makes a huge difference. Sounds relaxed, and feels like a pair of old slippers....nice and comfy. The Tremblelux also sounds great with a Greenback. The vintage 10's are a great all around speaker as well. We've got Anson's Z's loaded with Vintage 30's and stock G12-H30''s. I am not a fan of the Vintage 30, but both my brother Arnie and Anson love 'em. Maybe it's my ears, but when I hear that V-30, It sounds like somebody put a blanket over the amp.
Thinsocks
03-14-2008, 01:24 PM
George/Fret, - By the way, I've been meaning to tell you that I got your message last week, but never heard anything from Arnie. Talk to you soon.
~ Frank
fretshop
03-14-2008, 01:47 PM
George/Fret, - By the way, I've been meaning to tell you that I got your message last week, but never heard anything from Arnie. Talk to you soon.
~ Frank
Frank,
As I mentioned, Arnie started a label. He hooked up with some folks on the left coast for negotiations. He was in and out in three days. He'll be flying back again very soon, and I told him to give you a shout.
fretshop
03-14-2008, 01:51 PM
I'm listening to some clips from Doug Deming's "Double Down" CD. Does anyone have the CD....any opinions ? I liked what little I heard.
He was here last night backing Guyger/Gruenling on their Little Walter tribute tour.
valcotone
03-14-2008, 03:11 PM
I've not heard that one, but I've got Greg "Fingers" Taylor HI-FI BABY (http://www.warehousecreek.com/hifi/credits.htm) cd with Doug Deming and Troy Gonyea on guitar...
...along with some fine contributions by musicofanatic on the deep end! Some good stuff on that CD.
Schwalbe
03-14-2008, 04:02 PM
I'm listening to some clips from Doug Deming's "Double Down" CD. Does anyone have the CD....any opinions ? I liked what little I heard.
He was here last night backing Guyger/Gruenling on their Little Walter tribute tour.
I like that disc. Haven't listened to it in a while. We used to have a great Blues show on the local community radio station, the Lazy Bill Lucas show, hosted for it's last 10 years by local Blues singer Joel Johnson. The first 10 years it was hosted by old Bill himself.
That's where I first heard Demming's CD. Joel was great about finding/playing stuff like that. He played some KBR now and then too, as well as the usual Black Top etc. artists plus all the classic Blues that we all know and love. Unfortunately we lost him to a sudden brain
aneurysm 3 years ago and the station saw it as time for a change.
Anyway, I like the Double Down disc.
I've not heard that one, but I've got Greg "Fingers" Taylor HI-FI BABY (http://www.warehousecreek.com/hifi/credits.htm) cd with Doug Deming and Troy Gonyea on guitar...
...along with some fine contributions by musicofanatic on the deep end! Some good stuff on that CD.
I need that one.
Stringmaster
03-14-2008, 06:57 PM
Wouldn't have really thought of Celestions as a good match for tweed style amps, as I usually associate them with British type applications. I'm a bit a loss for what to put into my 35-40 watt tweedy meets BF build I'm considering. Thinking about 3 or 4x10's 2x12" and now a 12 and 10 combined in a cab (so everything's up in the air!). I first though Weber alnicos, but frankly, I haven't been overly excited about them--and most of the Emi's I've tried sound great, but to me they tend to have more of a modern sound, and less '50's if you will. So it sounds like some of you think the Celestion might be a good option--both for 4x10's or 2x12? I'm looking for vintage yet smooth--not harsh. Thanks for any additional input.
straightblues
03-14-2008, 07:15 PM
Wow, I am surprised by the Celestion. I always associated them with metal and marshalls. I would have never tried one if I didn't have one laying around that I immediately pulled from an amp when I got it because I thought of it as a metal speaker. Live and learn. Great tone can come from different places.
mikelaw
03-14-2008, 07:43 PM
celestions are my favorite. especially 2- vintage 10s in a cab with lower power speakers....YUM! not sure what it is, i just love them. ducoff the vintage alnico guy, played them in my cab and he loved the amp/cab combo and im sure those celestions had something to do with that!
monstermike
03-14-2008, 08:11 PM
I did a whole CD - not the new one, but "Cryin' Hey" before it - with a Victoria tweed Deluxe with a Greenback. It sounded nice.
jumpnblues
03-14-2008, 08:51 PM
Lou Rosano (Louis Electric Amps) is trying out a Greenback, G12H30, and Gold in the Tremblelux he's building for me and that amp's based on the, uhhh...Tremolux. Which, as I recall, is as tweed as you get. ;) :AOK :AOK
Tom
jimfog
03-15-2008, 01:16 AM
My Deluxe Reverb is VERY happy with the Celestion C12-80 that's in there........
stratotonedude
03-15-2008, 03:28 AM
I just got a 2x10 Comins jazz guitar amplifier made by Alessandro. It has Celestions.
hahpin
03-16-2008, 08:02 AM
Schwalbe,
I've got that Greg Fingers cd "Hi-Fi Baby". I'll play some cuts on the show this week as the featured artist.
Harold
Strat-O
03-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Schwalbe,
I've got that Greg Fingers cd "Hi-Fi Baby". I'll play some cuts on the show this week as the featured artist.
Harold
I have that too. Its a prett good disc. I didn't know who played guitar on it though. Doesn't Kim Wilson play some harp on it?
hahpin
03-16-2008, 10:11 AM
I didn't know who played guitar on it though. Doesn't Kim Wilson play some harp on it?
Troy Gonyea on Guitar. Kim plays on 2 songs.
This cd featured the backup band for the Michigan recording session for Kim's "Looking for Trouble" cd.
Schwalbe
03-16-2008, 10:31 AM
Schwalbe,
I've got that Greg Fingers cd "Hi-Fi Baby". I'll play some cuts on the show this week as the featured artist.
Harold
Harold! Ya found this place!
OK I'll try to listen. I can only get the station on my way home. I just have that little window from 5:30.
susudio
03-16-2008, 10:35 AM
I'm listening to some clips from Doug Deming's "Double Down" CD. Does anyone have the CD....any opinions ? I liked what little I heard.
He was here last night backing Guyger/Gruenling on their Little Walter tribute tour.
G-man, I picked up the cd at the show Thursday night. I'll cut you a copy when I get a chance..
I liked his style a lot. Most of the night he used a big Kay archtop with
2 p 90s. Several tunes were played on what looked like a reissue Esquire all through a Victoria tweed amp and Victoria reverb tank with tremelo..
jumpnblues
03-16-2008, 08:19 PM
Anyone here recommend a replacement tube for a Tung Sol 6K6GT in an Uncle Spot, Fender-style outboard reverb tank? The one in my unit has become very microphonic and KCA NOS tubes is out of Tung Sol 6K6GT's but has RCA's and Sylvanias in stock. Would they sound as good as the Tung Sols? Thanks.
Tom
GOLDENSTRAT
03-16-2008, 08:27 PM
saw Tad Robinson last night. Great singer, very dynamic with great energy. Good local band (newly arrived from Alaska) with him. fred
nmontz
03-16-2008, 09:24 PM
Tom...both those tube brands are fine. It's almost impossible to go wrong with nos RCA tubes.
Goldie295
03-17-2008, 02:20 AM
Anyone here recommend a replacement tube for a Tung Sol 6K6GT in an Uncle Spot, Fender-style outboard reverb tank? The one in my unit has become very microphonic and KCA NOS tubes is out of Tung Sol 6K6GT's but has RCA's and Sylvanias in stock. Would they sound as good as the Tung Sols? Thanks.
Tom
Tom either the RCA or the Sylvania will be fine. Get the cheapest.
Cheers,
Phil
Goldie295
03-17-2008, 02:24 AM
I'm listening to some clips from Doug Deming's "Double Down" CD. Does anyone have the CD....any opinions ? I liked what little I heard.
He was here last night backing Guyger/Gruenling on their Little Walter tribute tour.
I downloaded this album on eMusic last month. I like it. That said, the guitar playing seems to be the usual demonstration of 'what they can do' rather than 'who they are' which I find a little irritating.
As an aisde, I did a gig at the weekend and my wallwart for the reverb unit died on me. Faced with a second set to do and no reverb was a bit of a worrier. However, it went well and I got compliments from the band and bar owner. I think the leads cut a lot better so they heard them clearer. We have a fairly grown-up gig supporting an American band that has come over to the UK on Friday. I was going to roll out the 60s Fender Tube Reverb but I'm now thinking I'll 'go naked'. If all goes well, I may loose the reverb for good.
Cheers,
Phil
fretshop
03-17-2008, 05:33 AM
My Deluxe Reverb is VERY happy with the Celestion C12-80 that's in there........
Jim, I thought you had a 70 in your deluxe (?)
fretshop
03-17-2008, 05:39 AM
Anyone here recommend a replacement tube for a Tung Sol 6K6GT in an Uncle Spot, Fender-style outboard reverb tank? The one in my unit has become very microphonic and KCA NOS tubes is out of Tung Sol 6K6GT's but has RCA's and Sylvanias in stock. Would they sound as good as the Tung Sols? Thanks.
Tom
Tom, Either one is fine, but I personally prefer the ruggedness of an OEM RCA. Mike tests all the old tubes...so it should be nice and quiet. If anything goes awry, all you have to do is call him.
jumpnblues
03-17-2008, 05:40 AM
Thanks guys. I appreciate your advice.
Tom
susudio
03-17-2008, 07:48 AM
"I downloaded this album on eMusic last month. I like it. That said, the guitar playing seems to be the usual demonstration of 'what they can do' rather than 'who they are' which I find a little irritating."
Goldie295, I somewhat agree with your opinion of the guitar work on this CD.
It was cut in 2002.
I saw Doug Deming with Dennis Gruenling Thursday night and I have to say that Deming can play some jump. But then again IMO most players worth their salt sound better live and in the moment. He demonstrated some creative chops.
jetlag
03-17-2008, 07:57 AM
Wouldn't have really thought of Celestions as a good match for tweed style amps, as I usually associate them with British type applications. I'm a bit a loss for what to put into my 35-40 watt tweedy meets BF build I'm considering. Thinking about 3 or 4x10's 2x12" and now a 12 and 10 combined in a cab (so everything's up in the air!). I first though Weber alnicos, but frankly, I haven't been overly excited about them--and most of the Emi's I've tried sound great, but to me they tend to have more of a modern sound, and less '50's if you will. So it sounds like some of you think the Celestion might be a good option--both for 4x10's or 2x12? I'm looking for vintage yet smooth--not harsh. Thanks for any additional input.
I'm real intrigued with the speaker configuration those Juke amps employ and would seriously consider it if building a tweed clone that sits somewhere inbetween a tweed pro and tweed bassman in power. It's a 1x12+2x10 configuration that seems to fit on a baffle the size of~ a tweed bassman. With that much speaker you can still use smaller wattage rated speakers like jensen P12Q/P10Qs or whatever, and have them handle the power. Build the amp with a 2 ohm or 4 ohm OT and you're set. The 12 would give you mids and the 10's, I would think, would give you snap and keep the low end tight. I think Juke puts the 12 on the bottom and the 10's up higher on each side of the 12. Pretty cool idea.
jumpnblues
03-17-2008, 07:59 AM
"[I was going to roll out the 60s Fender Tube Reverb but I'm now thinking I'll 'go naked'.]"
What a horribly traumatizing image?!!! :messedup ;) :rolleyes: :cool:
Tom
fretshop
03-17-2008, 08:02 AM
"[I was going to roll out the 60s Fender Tube Reverb but I'm now thinking I'll 'go naked'.]"
What a horribly traumatizing image?!!! :messedup ;) :rolleyes: :cool:
Tom
Sounds like the new Bollocks and Tube reverb.
zappafrank
03-17-2008, 09:13 AM
Help me, I'm an ill man---
Just picked up a Victoria Regal II in white tolex (used) after playing through one that my friend has at a gig. It was an 'ah ha' moment for me, and I had to have one. Last night I A-B'd the Weber 16ohm 15" speaker with the 8ohm reconed 66' Jensen P15N I have in a Clark Beaufort. (which sadly will have to go, now). The Jensen 'won', and the folks at Vic said the amp can use a 8ohm speaker just fine, but to not go any lower.
Before I swap speakers---is there anything I should be wary/aware of? I will keep the Weber as a back up, as it was actually a real nice sound, too---had great bass response and oldschool 'darkness', but that Jensen brought out the chime just a bit better, and seemed to emphasize the tube-swapping tonal variances of the amp a bit better (a 5y3 with an RCA 5881 and a decent NOS 6v6) sounds pretty WC to me).
This amp, side by side with the Deluxe Reverb or Rambler for A-B'ing at bigger stage gigs, could cover all the Fat's dirt and Ronnie Earl clean tones I want, I'm thinking---
The Clark will have it's original Weber P15N-T put back in before it goes bye-bye.
Anyway----any warnings or 'general rules of thumb' about the ohmage difference??
Thanks!
ac
jumpnblues
03-17-2008, 09:18 AM
The 8 ohm speaker might be a little louder. Other than that...? That Regal II sounds like a very interesting amp though. Mark sure is coming out with some nice stuff lately.
Tom
mikelaw
03-17-2008, 09:49 AM
2 steps max AC is what Ive heard. 2-8/4-16/8-32. talking with my amp tech last year he said its all a bit 'overrated' the ohm factors. and i agree with him to a point. the only thing you should be concerned with is what that amp puts out for a rating and not going 'under' that rating. most fenders are 2 ohm outs. some are 4.
if your vicky is 2 out, just dont go above 8 or under 2 and youll be fine. multi speaker cabs i usually wire series/parallel which matches the ohm rating to ONE speaker. 4 -8 ohm speakers=8 ohm cab. i have tried other options and my ears like series/parallel the best.
blueskalle
03-17-2008, 10:40 AM
I just thought it was time to give a reminder to everybody to get a copy of one of the greatest "modern" cds ever made - Lee Mcbee and the Passions "44". This could be the start of an annual reminder for you guys to get a copy, each one of you!!! ;-D
Kalle
valcotone
03-17-2008, 10:47 AM
Hmmm...... well, AC - If the output transformer of the amp calls for a 16-ohm speaker then the most power it can transfer will be with a 16-ohm speaker. All things being equal (ie. speaker magnet, cone, voice coil, efficiency, etc), using an 8-ohm speaker will mean a little bit of a cut in output power and volume.
I'd say that *most* Fender amps call for an 8-ohm speaker load given that all the single-speaker combos (except the Champ 4-ohms) used an 8-ohm speaker. Bassmans and Super Reverbs use a 2-ohm load, tweed Supers, Twins, etc, use 4-ohm, and the ol' 3-speaker Bandmaster used a 4-ohm output transformer but with a 2.7 ohm load (three 8-ohm speakers all in parallel).
I think it's weird that Victoria would have spec'd a 16-ohm speaker for the Regal II, as it really limits the replacement speakers you can throw in there - especially vintage ones. AC, you might want to double-check with them to make sure this is the case. If it's true then it kinds of cools my occasional desire for that amp.
Stringmaster
03-17-2008, 10:59 AM
Lately I've played around a bunch with mismatched impedences--all in amps with tranformers that were deemed safe by the builders--but that could vary--check first! Some general observations when running a 4ohm trannie:
An 8 ohm speaker will sound darker, with not much percieved output change
A 2 ohm load will have lowered output, with a bit cleaner, less mid sound (sometimes good).
And of course running the proper impedence is what it is.
So to me as long as it's safe, it's more about the ability to change the tone/dynamics of an amp, which of course can also be done via speaker changes.
Just my experiences of course.
Strat-O
03-17-2008, 11:12 AM
I just thought it was time to give a reminder to everybody to get a copy of one of the greatest "modern" cds ever made - Lee Mcbee and the Passions "44". This could be the start of an annual reminder for you guys to get a copy, each one of you!!! ;-D
Kalle
That is a really good album, great sound and playing. Its just got too many 'standards' on it. It just doesn't keep my attention. I always put it on and forget I'm listening to it after a while. Its weird. But it is a great disc. I have the same problem with Rod Piazza's last album "Thrillsville". Great sound and playing all over it but the song selection is just not interesting to me. I'd recommend them to anybody just getting into classic blues though...total winners. :YinYang
Strat-O
03-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Help me, I'm an ill man---
Just picked up a Victoria Regal II in white tolex (used) after playing through one that my friend has at a gig. It was an 'ah ha' moment for me, and I had to have one. Last night I A-B'd the Weber 16ohm 15" speaker with the 8ohm reconed 66' Jensen P15N I have in a Clark Beaufort. (which sadly will have to go, now). The Jensen 'won', and the folks at Vic said the amp can use a 8ohm speaker just fine, but to not go any lower.
Before I swap speakers---is there anything I should be wary/aware of? I will keep the Weber as a back up, as it was actually a real nice sound, too---had great bass response and oldschool 'darkness', but that Jensen brought out the chime just a bit better, and seemed to emphasize the tube-swapping tonal variances of the amp a bit better (a 5y3 with an RCA 5881 and a decent NOS 6v6) sounds pretty WC to me).
This amp, side by side with the Deluxe Reverb or Rambler for A-B'ing at bigger stage gigs, could cover all the Fat's dirt and Ronnie Earl clean tones I want, I'm thinking---
The Clark will have it's original Weber P15N-T put back in before it goes bye-bye.
Anyway----any warnings or 'general rules of thumb' about the ohmage difference??
Thanks!
ac
That's weird, mine didn't come with an 8 ohm OT and speaker. I know that the 1x12 Victoriette/Lux comes with a 16 ohm OT. I didn't have that problem to deal with. It would be a pain in the neck to have to search out 16 ohm. speakers to go in it. Going to a different load usually takes the amp too far away from the signature sound of an amp for me.
Strat-O
03-17-2008, 11:20 AM
I downloaded this album on eMusic last month. I like it. That said, the guitar playing seems to be the usual demonstration of 'what they can do' rather than 'who they are' which I find a little irritating.
As an aisde, I did a gig at the weekend and my wallwart for the reverb unit died on me. Faced with a second set to do and no reverb was a bit of a worrier. However, it went well and I got compliments from the band and bar owner. I think the leads cut a lot better so they heard them clearer. We have a fairly grown-up gig supporting an American band that has come over to the UK on Friday. I was going to roll out the 60s Fender Tube Reverb but I'm now thinking I'll 'go naked'. If all goes well, I may loose the reverb for good.
Cheers,
Phil
Good luck. I rarely ever use reverb...maybe one song per set. I'm not so sure its a good thing for me but it'll make a man out of you for sure. Reverb covers up alot, which can be good or bad.
Both a Telecaster and a '54 Les Paul with a wrap tailpiece are extremely touch sensitive. Without reverb, you hear everything. Those are the two primary guitars that I use.
mikelaw
03-17-2008, 11:51 AM
in my research if you use a speaker load 'under' the tranny rating you will blow the amp eventually, you will have blown power tubes as well.
the cab rating alway should be MORE then the amp/tranny rating.
valcotone
03-17-2008, 12:19 PM
Mike, don't mean to call you out on this, but it's an important topic. A lot of the amps from the 60's on up (most Fender's included) had 2 speaker jacks, one for the onboard speaker and another for an external cab. For example, the Deluxe Reverb uses an 8-ohm output transformer and the on-board speaker is 8-ohms as well, the idea is when you plug in an external cab it should be 8-ohms too.... then you present a 4-ohm load to the amp because the jacks are wired in parallel (8R||8R=4R). Fender anticipated their users doing this so I expect it is safe to do. Going the other way (16-ohm load on an 8-ohm amp) is also generally accepted as a safe thing to do, in most cases, YMMV, etc.
Just a note: electronics theory (blah, blah, blah...) says you get the most power transfer when the two impedances are equal... that's why I said above that a 16-ohm speaker on a 16-ohm amp output will yield the most power (given no other variances in the speaker, etc)...
OK, I've rambled enough, but in any event, it's good to be cautious... if the OT is getting hot you're probably pushing it too far. And if you have a precious old amp why take a chance...
nmontz
03-17-2008, 12:28 PM
I agree with Mike....I was always under the impression with most amps it is ok to go to a higher ohm rating but not a lower.
I'm not sure about the mutliple speaker jacks on Fender amps? What about a SR then? How do you use that extra jack with the stock 2 ohm load hooked up? I know if I go to a 4 ohm load in my 8 ohm showman that it probably isn't a good thing? I thought you were always supposed to use one jack or the other but not both unless you could still get to the correct load.
I was thinking the same thing as Valcotone that it was interesting it had an 16 om speaker. I wonder though when Victoria ok'd it with the 8ohm speaker that it really has an 8 ohm tranny. Using the 16 ohm speaker would push the amp more, lower the output/volume and make the amp sludge out more. Needing a 16 ohm load would seriously limit speaker choices, so a 16 ohm tranny is a curious selction....maybe it has multiple taps? Maybe Baier got a better tone out of 16 ohm tap than the others as it would be using different winds in the transformer? Sideman you just got one of these right? What ohm speaker does yours come with? Does it say anywhere what the amp's load rating is?
I like that Lee cd, and all his others and the Mike Morgan cd's with Lee as well. I love Lee's vocals and really love laid back in the pocket playing and grooves. I never get tired of that....BluesKalle....WCBT member Jetlag plays with Lee on his regular Sunday night gig at BB's Lawnside BBQ. If you are ever down in Kansas City it is worth stopping by. Great Music and Food!
Stringmaster
03-17-2008, 12:55 PM
I think much is related to the amp/transformer design--with many newer amps/trannies being "over engineered". That's why I suggested contacting the mfg. about what is ok. On my Tone King the manual actually encourages you to experiment with mismatches, to get different tones. I imagine some of the vintage stuff is much less forgiving, especially with some of the less potent trannies in the smaller powered amps. FWIW, my tech indicated that I shouldn't plug an extension speaker into my BF Vibrolux for any extended periods.
sideman
03-17-2008, 06:42 PM
I swapped out the original Eminence Legend in my Regal II for a vintage '56 P15N and it's sounding good. The P15N is middier and overdrives fast. Didn't even know the amp was 16 ohms, assumed 8. Victoria switched from the Weber to the Eminence a couple years ago. That amp with a couple 6v6s in it sounds awful nice. Onboard reverb too. In addition to playing with power tubes (one 6v6 for practice) you can swap out the rectifiers.
valcotone
03-17-2008, 08:02 PM
I'm not sure about the mutliple speaker jacks on Fender amps? What about a SR then? How do you use that extra jack with the stock 2 ohm load hooked up?
That's a really good question!! I can't see plugging in another 2-ohm cab to present a load of 1-ohm to the amp!?!? YMMV, etc...
I know if I go to a 4 ohm load in my 8 ohm showman that it probably isn't a good thing? I believe using your 8-ohm showman with a 4-ohm load should be ok, and is generally accepted as normal use.
I thought you were always supposed to use one jack or the other but not both unless you could still get to the correct load.If I remember correctly, you must always use the Speaker out and can't just use the Aux Speaker jack by itself (due to the way it's wired up).
nc slim
03-17-2008, 09:08 PM
I just thought it was time to give a reminder to everybody to get a copy of one of the greatest "modern" cds ever made - Lee Mcbee and the Passions "44". This could be the start of an annual reminder for you guys to get a copy, each one of you!!! ;-D
Kalle
Get your mind outta the gutter great song
Goldie295
03-18-2008, 03:15 AM
I swapped out the original Eminence Legend in my Regal II for a vintage '56 P15N and it's sounding good. The P15N is middier and overdrives fast. Didn't even know the amp was 16 ohms, assumed 8. Victoria switched from the Weber to the Eminence a couple years ago. That amp with a couple 6v6s in it sounds awful nice. Onboard reverb too. In addition to playing with power tubes (one 6v6 for practice) you can swap out the rectifiers.
Sideman,
I'm after an Eminence Legend 15" speaker if you want to sell yours?
Cheers,
Phil
fretshop
03-18-2008, 05:44 AM
Posted by nmontz:
I like that Lee cd, and all his others and the Mike Morgan cd's with Lee as well. I love Lee's vocals and really love laid back in the pocket playing and grooves. I never get tired of that....BluesKalle....WCBT member Jetlag plays with Lee on his regular Sunday night gig at BB's Lawnside BBQ. If you are ever down in Kansas City it is worth stopping by. Great Music and Food!
I'm still pissed that I couldn't get leave approval to make Karl's B'day at BB's....BUT I do have a CD sampler of the evening...Lee's got it...it's all there, ("been everywhere but the electric chair...seen everything but the wind")....and Karl's guitar playing was superb. Karl, you could create some serious Jonesing,(and probably even more serious Ebay surfing) this A.M. by posting the "Wall of Tweed" photo from the party. BTW: Lee is one of Anson F's favorite all time singers.
pete kanaras
03-18-2008, 07:35 AM
I can't see plugging in another 2-ohm cab to present a load of 1-ohm to the amp!?!? YMMV, etc...
it "worked" for joe walsh! he did that for years with a pair of sr's, ran one amp's speakers into the other's ext sp jack. 1ohm, yyyikes. he was blowing output trannies every other gig practically. but hey what the hey, the guy can afford it!
jetlag
03-18-2008, 08:09 AM
I agree with Pete. I wouldn't do it with a super reverb. For any of you that own old tweed or early tolex fenders beware. Those rules of 100% mismatch up and down being okay with fenders are for the amps with Schumacher transformers. The tweed stuff and some early tolex amps have triads, which can tolerate nothing! Don't chance it and just run the specified impedance of the amp. Pretty much anything from about '64 on it's fine.
Regarding the wall 'o tweed (sound check during the day, deluxe and bandmaster w/ spot reverb then bassman and pro with a bf reverb):
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/jetlagslim/WallOTweed.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/jetlagslim/MeJuniorLee.jpg
jetlag
03-18-2008, 08:13 AM
I felt bad not including this pic as well. Junior is waiting for food while Noel (NMontz) is sitting behind him - my guess is he's trying figure out how to ask Junior " Hey, how did you do that lick in the Hucklebuck??"
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/jetlagslim/JuniorwaitingforDinner.jpg
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 08:16 AM
My good buddy, Dennis Morlan, from Dallas played bass with Lee (not sure if it was full-time) when he (Dennis) lived in Kansas City. Moved to Dallas a few years ago and played bass with Omar and the Howlers and more recently Randy McCallister. He was supposed to go on the road with Mike Morgan when Mike decided to hang up gigging for awhile. I understand Mike is gigging some again. I have all of Lee's and Mike's CD's too. Love Lee's gritty voice and great harp playing. It'd be fantastic to see Lee and Anson get together, but Lee seems to be really tied to the Kansas City/ Lawrence, Ks. area.
Tom
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 08:41 AM
"[Hmmm...... well, AC - If the output transformer of the amp calls for a 16-ohm speaker then the most power it can transfer will be with a 16-ohm speaker. All things being equal (ie. speaker magnet, cone, voice coil, efficiency, etc), using an 8-ohm speaker will mean a little bit of a cut in output power and volume.]"
Well, you can see how much I know about it! I thought less ohms meant less resistance, therefore more power going to the speaker, all other things being equal. An electronics genius and tech I ain't.:jo:jo
Tom
zappafrank
03-18-2008, 09:20 AM
Hey Guys---I really appreciate ALL the input---thanks!
I guess w/ this 'variable', special transformer, the standard beliefs might be a bit challenged---but I sure do NOT want to blow the trannies in that amp! hmmmm---I'll have to investigate further and try to talk to Baier, I think...
Thanks!---great pics of Watson and Tweed!
ac
RickyKing
03-18-2008, 09:53 AM
[quote=jetlag;3836902]I agree with Pete. I wouldn't do it with a super reverb. For any of you that own old tweed or early tolex fenders beware. Those rules of 100% mismatch up and down being okay with fenders are for the amps with Schumacher transformers. The tweed stuff and some early tolex amps have triads, which can tolerate nothing! Don't chance it and just run the specified impedance of the amp. Pretty much anything from about '64 on it's fine.
Regarding the wall 'o tweed (sound check during the day, deluxe and bandmaster w/ spot reverb then bassman and pro with a bf reverb):
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/jetlagslim/WallOTweed.jpg
:crazyguyWow,amp porn.....
Poppa Stoppa
03-18-2008, 10:48 AM
Forget the tweeds, I want one o' them dragon shirts.
Poppa Stoppa
03-18-2008, 10:53 AM
Did you record that night Jetlag - how did all that glorious tweed sound?
How about those Pink/Diamond Drums!
OldSchool
03-18-2008, 11:18 AM
With the Tweed amp Porn, Checker table cloths and the barbeque sign in the back..........That's definitely a place I wouldn't mind having Lunch at!http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon14.gif
FLICKOFLASH
03-18-2008, 12:03 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x2nXtHULx8I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LddX4OVxccQ&feature=related
Goldie295
03-18-2008, 12:06 PM
Forget the tweeds, I want one o' them dragon shirts.
Poppa I think you are right - cancel that bowling shirt order...and does anyone have a copy of Kung Fu Weekly?!?!
:crazyguy
Is it just me or do you think old ladies cross the road these days when they see Jr walking home from a gig at night...
Cheers,
Phil
Schwalbe
03-18-2008, 12:46 PM
Forget the tweeds, I want one o' them dragon shirts.
All those Hawiian bowling shirts gone to waste. Do you suppose they'll end up on the island of misfit Bluesman shirts?
How about those Pink/Diamond Drums!
:drool
jetlag
03-18-2008, 12:58 PM
How did it sound? A lot better when Junior was playing it as opposed to myself.
Re. Pink drums: Like they say, "It takes a real man to play pink drums ......."
The pink drums are nothing compared to the kit Scott Campbell (Willie's brother) had, back when he used to play with us. It was a snare, the biggest bass drum imaginable, and a floor tom, all covered in white fur. He later covered it in black fur and called it mank (as in mink with an accent or a cross between mink and stank, I was never quite sure). I miss Scott - he's still with us, I just never get to see him anymore.
jetlag
03-18-2008, 01:01 PM
My good buddy, Dennis Morlan, from Dallas played bass with Lee (not sure if it was full-time) when he (Dennis) lived in Kansas City. Moved to Dallas a few years ago and played bass with Omar and the Howlers and more recently Randy McCallister. He was supposed to go on the road with Mike Morgan when Mike decided to hang up gigging for awhile. I understand Mike is gigging some again. I have all of Lee's and Mike's CD's too. Love Lee's gritty voice and great harp playing. It'd be fantastic to see Lee and Anson get together, but Lee seems to be really tied to the Kansas City/ Lawrence, Ks. area.
Tom
I know Dennis - he also played in another band I'm in here in KC. Great bass player and a great guy. Wow, I wondered what happened to Dennis.
mikelaw
03-18-2008, 02:22 PM
i could use an eminence 15 too!
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 02:25 PM
I know Dennis - he also played in another band I'm in here in KC. Great bass player and a great guy. Wow, I wondered what happened to Dennis.
Yeah, I was in his wedding and that's the last time I saw him in person. He used to talk about gigging with "Little Hatch". We talk on the phone occasionally and email one another. We're both from that blues Mecca...Ottumwa, Ia.
I talk to Anson on the phone quite a bit too but it's been over a month since our last visit. Haven't talked to him since he started gigging with Darrell.
Tom
Strat-O
03-18-2008, 02:40 PM
AC and Sideman - My reconed 50's P15N was too dark in my Regal II. Just couldn't get enough top end. Sounded killer though. I've been using a reissue C15N in mine for about the last year. I've got a reissue P15N I'm going to try for a little while to try and save some weight...when I get a chance to put it in. AC you should call Marc Baier and talk to him directly about your amp. Its too nice of an amp not to get the straight story. Plus Marc is a really nice guy and willing to answer questions.
Lee McBee does have a totally cool voice. Jetlag sounds killer as does the whole band. Jetlag knows how to get great tone out of all those amps!
Strat-O
03-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Speaking of great tone and tweed amps. What do all you fellas recommend doing to a 5E3 amp? What rectifier do you use? 6L6 or 6V6? Speaker? etc.
Thanks!!!!
jetlag
03-18-2008, 03:33 PM
Strato - my deluxe is an old one w/o a standby switch so I like to use an industrial version of a 5Y3 that is indirectly heated. This gives the amp a slow warmup which makes it easier on your power tubes. I think this recto tube I'm talking about is a 6087, but I'd have to check that for sure. For power tubes, I got lucky and it came with blackplate RCAs. I really like the greyplate RCAs too.
The old deluxes and many of the newer ones run high enough plate voltages to not really need a higher B+ recto, but I would probably use a 5V4 if I were looking to kick things up a notch. You need to watch your electrolytic cap's voltage ratings as well as the 6V6's cathode bias resistor to make sure you don't over dissipate the tubes. Really, going with an efficient speaker eliminates the need to try and run the amp hotter. At least for me.
For speakers, I like to use either a blue celestion alnico, an old old P12P or old P12N speaker. I'm thinking about slapping this sweet old reconed C12Q in the amp that NMontz was kind enough to give me.
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 03:35 PM
I have a question too so I'll get in line behind Strat-O...
Anyway, what do you guys use for a power conditioner/AC hum reducer? My house AC is a little noisy. I currently use a Furman Power Conditioner which does nothing about reducing hum. I changed from the AC plugin on our south wall to the west wall which reduced hum by at least 50% and I then used a two prong adapter which reduced it another 25%, which almost eliminated all hum. I was just wondering if there was some sort of power conditioner or "magic box" that would also reduce hum.
Tom
Strat-O
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Jetlag - Cool, thanks. You ought to post a clip of that Watson birthday show. Both you and Watson had killah tone (and chops).
Watson said he used a Deluxe with 6L6's to record Nemeth's "Come and Get It". Man do I love that album.
:JAM
valcotone
03-18-2008, 03:55 PM
I have a question too so I'll get in line behind Strat-O...
Anyway, what do you guys use for a power conditioner/AC hum reducer? My house AC is a little noisy. I currently use a Furman Power Conditioner which does nothing about reducing hum. I changed from the AC plugin on our south wall to the west wall which reduced hum by at least 50% and I then used a two prong adapter which reduced it another 25%, which almost eliminated all hum. I was just wondering if there was some sort of power conditioner or "magic box" that would also reduce hum.
Tom
Tom, are you plugging the guitar directly into the amp or do you have any other devices (reverb tank, pedalboard, etc) between them? Just one amp right? When you moved to a different plug, did you also move the amp and location of where you're standing/facing? That can all make a difference...
valcotone
03-18-2008, 03:56 PM
Jetlag - Cool, thanks. You ought to post a clip of that Watson birthday show. Both you and Watson had killah tone (and chops).
Watson said he used a Deluxe with 6L6's to record Nemeth's "Come and Get It". Man do I love that album.
:JAM
Strat-O, I'll second all of those remarks!!
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 05:22 PM
Tom, are you plugging the guitar directly into the amp or do you have any other devices (reverb tank, pedalboard, etc) between them? Just one amp right? When you moved to a different plug, did you also move the amp and location of where you're standing/facing? That can all make a difference...
I left the amp sitting in the same spot. I'm going to an Uncle Spot reverb tank and then direct to the amp. I "faced Mecca" to get the lowest noise possible. It's either a house current hum/ground problem, or possibly a noisy power strip? If it's a strip the solution's simple. OTOH, if it's the house I was just wondering if there's anything that will "filter" it out? Thanks.
Tom
valcotone
03-18-2008, 06:02 PM
Tom - Do you get the same hum without the Uncle Spot in the loop?
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 07:04 PM
Tom - Do you get the same hum without the Uncle Spot in the loop?
Yes. And I changed all the preamp and power tubes in my amp and re-biased, although I don't think the amp a tube change. I've been able to pretty much rule the amp or reverb tank out as far as contributing to the hum problem. It really makes a difference which outlet I plug the amp into. If I plug the amp and reverb tank into the south outlet I get a very noticeable increase in hum...in the west outlet it almost completely disappears. So, based on that I was curious if there is any device (other than a noise gate, that is) that would eliminate hum when such a problem arises?
Tom
valcotone
03-18-2008, 08:05 PM
Tom - I was fishing to see if you had a ground loop, but it doesn't sound like it since you get it with just guitar and amp... I use an Ebtech Hum-X to kill hum with amp+tank or multi-amp setups. So, I don't know what might help with your hum, sorry!
jumpnblues
03-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Tom - I was fishing to see if you had a ground loop, but it doesn't sound like it since you get it with just guitar and amp... I use an Ebtech Hum-X to kill hum with amp+tank or multi-amp setups. So, I don't know what might help with your hum, sorry!
Hey thanks anyway, valcotone. I appreciate the effort. But I think I have the hum problem in my house figured out. I'll just use the outlet on the west wall LOL!! Seriously, that has pretty much eliminated my hum problem at home. My house has always had a noisy circuit. I'll occasionally even hear the same noises coming through my amp and stereo speakers simultaneously and they're on separate wall outlets and at opposite ends of the room. Go figure.
Tom
Short Bus
03-18-2008, 09:02 PM
So, I know I'm dense. I recently picked up John Hammond's Long As I Have You CD. And I'm listening and being blown away by everything-the guitar, the harp, the bass, the drums, John, etc. I finally look at the liner notes and its Little Charlie company! Well, d'uh!
In case you haven't heard this, get it! Learn it! Know it! Live It! It goes right next to the other thousand plus CDs that get mentioned here as desert island stuff.
OK, I'm getting back on the bus now.
Short Bus
03-18-2008, 09:08 PM
One more thing-after the talk about the CDs that won't be available for much longer I splurged on the BB King Vintage Years box, Jimmy McCracklin's The Modern Recordings, Gene Phillips Drinkin & Stinkin, both the Roy Hawkins CDs and Johnny Guitar Watson's Hot Like TNT CDs.
I know. My credit card is hurtin' bad!
Tons of new stuff to listen to. Thanks Mr. Pusherman! :crazyguy
Goldie295
03-19-2008, 12:45 AM
Okay techie query for the techies on this board (I guess that would be most of you ;) ).
From time to time I have mentioned a pet project of mine to create a box the size of a 60s Tube Reverb which has both a Tube Reverb and a Champ built-in (no speaker). It all runs off of one transformer. Knobs are:
Input Jack, Drive (with push pull for Hi/Low input), Dwell, Tone, Mix, reverb/drive/both switch, Output Jack.
The idea is you can slave out of it into - say - a Bassman and get gig volume with the sound of a small amp (a la Rick Holmstrom).
Well the box works a treat save for a few annoying things. Firstly, there was a huge volume drop. We added an extra tube to get the volume up but got issues with the drive ‘oscillating’ creating a tremolo effect (nice but not the plan). So we dropped that but still had the huge volume loss. I suggested dual outputs with one for drive and one for reverb. These could then be blended between the bright and normal inputs of the Bassman. My tech liked the idea but said it could be easily done with one Output Jack and a stereo lead. Job done – the volume drop has now gone as has the need for an extra tube and the oscillation.
So, the final problem I have is an audible buzz coming out of the Bassman when it is rigged up. The buzz can’t be heard when playing, but between songs it is very annoying. The weird thing is the fact it seems to increase/become more prominent when I turn the volume down on the guitar (I am hoping this will rings bells with one of you). Having come so far with this little project, I a loath to ditch it, but we just can’t work out how to get rid of the buzz.
Is this just a ground loop or is it something else. I didn't used to get it with just the Reverb. It has only happened since the Champ was squashed into the box.
Can anyone help???
Cheers,
Phil
Poppa Stoppa
03-19-2008, 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by mikelaw http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=1590190#post1590190)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x2nXtHULx8I
Small mystery solved - how did Watson get his raging Bassman tone on this gig. This is the clip of Wilson, Watson, et al playing Tiger man in Germany in 2002. The guy that supplied the amps has added a comment that the Bassman had master volume.
TwoFeets
03-19-2008, 06:11 AM
So I did sort of an impulse buy last night on a Robert Cray Strat. The price was right and I think I can even make a few bucks on it if I don't end up bonding with it. Anybody else have experience with them? I know Nick used to have one.
Nice clip of the Kim Wilson/Jr Watson Rogaine Blues Revue!
Love,
Two Feets, No Hair
Goldie295
03-19-2008, 07:02 AM
So I did sort of an impulse buy last night on a Robert Cray Strat. The price was right and I think I can even make a few bucks on it if I don't end up bonding with it. Anybody else have experience with them? I know Nick used to have one.
Nice clip of the Kim Wilson/Jr Watson Rogaine Blues Revue!
Love,
Two Feets, No Hair
Feets,
If you mean the MIM Cray strat then I do have some experience of it. Along with the Jimmie Vaughan MIM strat I think it is one of Fender's best. Next up would be the Eric Johnson strat. After that I honestly think you are looking at a '54 Relic or Masterbuilt quality to see any real difference. There is loads of discussion out there (Fender Forum etc) about the MIM Cray and whether it has the CS versions pups in it.
For me the MIM Cray with a mod to enable the second tone to control the bridge pup is a great, great strat. I also like the fact it is a hardtail which obviously helps with sustain, tuning and multiple bends etc...
Hope you get on with it.
Cheers,
Phil
dukeh62
03-19-2008, 07:08 AM
Hey guys,
Just read that Candye Kane has been diagnosed w/ possible pancreatic cancer. Full story here: http://www.candyekane.com/news.html
Unfortunately, like too many wonderful musicians, she is without health insurance, and it looks like she's gonna need some help with medical bills. She is taking donations via Paypal (http://www.paypal.com)...her account email is candyekanetour@aol.com.
Candye has been out there working hard for a LONG TIME to keep this great music alive. Would be nice if we could each pitch in a few bucks for her.
blueskalle
03-19-2008, 08:44 AM
nmontz: If I should be i Kansas city on a saturday I'll make shure to make that stop!
That cancercrap really sucks! My mom and aunt got the verdict last week and almost on the same day:-(... IT SUCKS!!!
Thankfully we got a pretty good social security over here that handles the econmical part of it.
Now i'm off for a two hour drive with some pals to see Little Charlie & the Nightcats in Gothenburg!:BEER
Kalle
straightblues
03-19-2008, 09:30 AM
HEY GOLDIE295. Here is a thought. I might be way off base.
The guys that make the ABY boxes deal with this grounding problem all of the time. I would see if you could get on the phone with one of the builders of them or look up schematics for an ABY box. They might have the answer.
I bought my ABY from this guy. He is small and might be able to help you over email or phone. http://www.loop-master.com/product_info.php?products_id=40
Strat-O
03-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Don't want to be Captain Obvious here Jumpnblues but have you checked the grounding in the whole circuit that those outlets are on in your house?
And, I guess you know that some amps just pick up noise more than others. At home, some of my amps hum like crazy and others are totally quiet.
valcotone
03-19-2008, 01:00 PM
'Feets - I think the hardtail MIM Robert Cray is a great guitar.... mine was a beautiful sunburst and weighed in at 6.5lbs. The neck is great: 9.5" radius, fatter than most production Fenders, medium jumbo frets, nice rosewood board, vintage hardware, .... I liked it so much I bought another Cray strat just for the neck and parted out the rest. I eventually sold my first one but based on that experience I am putting together another partscaster that will be a hardtail. That 2nd neck is still on a partscaster I use all the time at our rehearsal space. So, yeah - thumbs-up for the MIM RC Strat!
TwoFeets
03-19-2008, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. It was kind of a tossup between a JV and an older small headstock highway one for a while but for some reason the Cray caught my eye. Which is funny because I'd been leaning towards a maple board, but these really looked like a good value.
I'm a little unsure as to whether I'll dig the hardtail or whether it might not be cool to have a trem model since none of my other guitars have one, but we'll see.
Stringmaster
03-19-2008, 02:00 PM
Do you Victoria II users/owners find that they lack the headroom and power for gigging, where say a BF Vibrolux/Tweed Bandmaster/Pro would be just about right? I've tried them in stores a couple of times, and while they sounded good, they seemed to be more like playing an amp under 20 watts, and I felt that it wouldn't cut it live in a 5 piece--but not sure what the tube setups were. I gotta have some clean headroom! Thanks
Strat-O
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Do you Victoria II users/owners find that they lack the headroom and power for gigging, where say a BF Vibrolux/Tweed Bandmaster/Pro would be just about right? I've tried them in stores a couple of times, and while they sounded good, they seemed to be more like playing an amp under 20 watts, and I felt that it wouldn't cut it live in a 5 piece--but not sure what the tube setups were. I gotta have some clean headroom! Thanks
are you talkin' about the Regal II? been gigging mine for three years from the biggest to the smallest venues and outoor ampitheatres. P90's for everything.
jumpnblues
03-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Don't want to be Captain Obvious here Jumpnblues but have you checked the grounding in the whole circuit that those outlets are on in your house?
And, I guess you know that some amps just pick up noise more than others. At home, some of my amps hum like crazy and others are totally quiet.
I haven't checked the house grounding and I wouldn't be surprised if it's an issue. I think a lot of corners were cut on wiring the house. The original owner personally built the house, so the entire construction wasn't the most professional job I've seen...not necessarily poor, just not a very professional job. The outlet in the south end of the house has always been noisy regardless of what amp was plugged into it. Even the Victoria Pro I just sold would hum through that outlet, but not through any others. So, yeah, there is likely a ground issue with that outlet, if not the house.
Tom
Strat-O
03-19-2008, 04:49 PM
That's a pretty easy problem to fix. I'd go that route first.:BEER
Schwalbe
03-19-2008, 05:07 PM
I haven't checked the house grounding and I wouldn't be surprised if it's an issue. I think a lot of corners were cut on wiring the house. The original owner personally built the house, so the entire construction wasn't the most professional job I've seen...not necessarily poor, just not a very professional job. The outlet in the south end of the house has always been noisy regardless of what amp was plugged into it. Even the Victoria Pro I just sold would hum through that outlet, but not through any others. So, yeah, there is likely a ground issue with that outlet, if not the house.
Tom
Got one of these?
http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/561/10361561.jpg
http://www.buy.com/prod/3_LED_PLUG_IN_CIRCUIT_TESTER_WIRING_STATUS_OF_120V _OUTLET_5_15/q/loc/101/10361561.html
Stringmaster
03-19-2008, 05:47 PM
are you talkin' about the Regal II? been gigging mine for three years from the biggest to the smallest venues and outoor ampitheatres. P90's for everything.
I was talkin' Regal !!, and thanks for the feedback Strat-O. DD
TwoFeets
03-19-2008, 07:03 PM
I thought you guys might be interested in a short article a local entertainment magazine just did on Leroy Cooper.
http://www.smokintorps.com/OLarticle08.pdf
Unfortunately my days of playing in a regular gig with Leroy are about to come to a close; I gave notice to the Smokin' Torpedoes that as of the end of April I will be leaving the band to spend more time with my family and concentrate on our new business. I'll be doing gigs now and then with the Ramblers, one or two a month, and maybe starting a side/solo recording project.
jumpnblues
03-19-2008, 08:14 PM
Got one of these?
http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/561/10361561.jpg
http://www.buy.com/prod/3_LED_PLUG_IN_CIRCUIT_TESTER_WIRING_STATUS_OF_120V _OUTLET_5_15/q/loc/101/10361561.html
That's pretty cool. I may just have to have one of those. Thanks Strat-O and Schwalbe.
Tom
Goldie295
03-20-2008, 01:16 AM
are you talkin' about the Regal II? been gigging mine for three years from the biggest to the smallest venues and outoor ampitheatres. P90's for everything.
This might explain the volume differences:
"The Regal II is designed around an custom bifilar output transformer that is essentially two discreet transformers driving a common speaker load. This allows for the use of any combination of common 8 pin power tubes - from a single 6V6 delivering 5 watts of pure class A power, to two EL-34's for 35 watts. And because each tube is relating to its own independent transformer winding and bias resistor, any combination of different tubes types can be auditioned. Whether it be a single 6V6 or 6L6GC or a combination of the two (yes that's right, a 6V6 and a 6L6GC at the same time) the Regal II never needs biasing or adjustments when changing tubes. This versatility is also extended to rectifier tubes; the Regal II can accept any common 5 Volt rectifier including 5Y3, 5V4, 5U4, and 5AR4 with no adjustments nessessary."
Cool pic alert:HERE (http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Large/000006042.jpg)
Cheers,
Phil
S.W.Erdnase
03-20-2008, 04:39 AM
Gentlemen of the jury...
Does anybody know anything about Otis Spann's "You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone"? It's on a compilation called "We're Gonna Boogie". Anyone know the session date, who the musicians were, who wrote it? Spann is just great and the guitar is SICK.
It's a KILLER tune, that's for sure.
fretshop
03-20-2008, 05:42 AM
Gentlemen of the jury...
Does anybody know anything about Otis Spann's "You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone"? It's on a compilation called "We're Gonna Boogie". Anyone know the session date, who the musicians were, who wrote it? Spann is just great and the guitar is SICK.
It's a KILLER tune, that's for sure.
Otis Spann, Johnny Young, Luther Johnson, Peter Malik, S.P. Leary,
Victoria Spivey
I'm a bad boy Spivey LP-1013
You're going to miss me Spivey LP-1013
when I'm gone
Going back home Spivey LP-1013
Some more good Otis Spann:
I have the original "Blues Jam In Chicago" LP series 1 & 2 on Blue Horizon, later re-named and re-issued as Fleetwood Mac in Chicago. Great piano work...AND vocals by Mr. Spann there as well. I used to see Ralph Bass from Chess records quite a bit back in the 70's, and he along with a mutual pal named Jeff Prine turned me on to the records. I'm looking at the jacket of volume #1 right now : credits : Recorded at Chess Ter-Mar studios. We'll skip Fleetwood Mac and go right to the good stuff : David "honeboy" Edwards, Buddy Guy, Willie Dixon, Walter "shakey" Horton, Otis Spann, S.P. Leary and J.T. Brown....Nuff said ? The liner photos show the guitars blowing out of what looks to me like SF Princeton Reverbs....the jacket is a little worn so I could be wrong.
RickyKing
03-20-2008, 06:04 AM
Luther & Peter Malick...a great combo...P.M. has the coolest carved old Strat you ever seen!
fretshop
03-20-2008, 06:52 AM
Luther & Peter Malick...a great combo...P.M. has the coolest carved old Strat you ever seen!
AMEN !!
BTW: One thing about Luther that always stuck with me...he could coax some nasty tone out of the strings with just his right thumb and index finger. I have tried the sans pick method...other than some finger picking and country work sprinkled in during the evening,....I can't handle it all night. Luther and Morris Holt had this way of playing with both the flesh, and the nail side of the fingers ... kind of a back and forth picking technique. Today, we have a spectacular guitarist / vocalist out of my area named Saron Crenshaw who uses the technique. Look out for Saron...check his "My Space" etc.
mr tom
03-20-2008, 08:45 AM
AMEN !!
BTW: Luther and Morris Holt had this way of playing with both the flesh, and the nail side of the fingers ... kind of a back and forth picking technique.
Slim uses both thumb- and fingerpicks. Never seen him play bare-fingered.
We have some streaming Guitar instructional (not that any of you need it) @ this site...
Helps KBR from having to look for a day gig!
http://redoakmusic.com/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=6
Birdseye
03-20-2008, 11:38 AM
Spammy, but thought someone here might want first crack. Looks like I have one old Hershey bar H44 type pickup I'm going to have to sell. PM me if you're interested.
fretshop
03-20-2008, 12:07 PM
Slim uses both thumb- and fingerpicks. Never seen him play bare-fingered.
I have
TwoFeets
03-20-2008, 12:09 PM
Wow, double spammy.
Some time within the next 72 hours I'm going to be placing my '51 ES350 up for sale, so if anyone here might be interested, again, first crack.
fretshop
03-20-2008, 01:19 PM
Philly Reuinion Gang:
Memorial show for late Petey Vegas tomorrow night, 3/21/08 at Tierney's Tavern, 136-138 Valley Road, Montclair, NJ. 973-744-9785. You'll get to hear the Tremblelux in action once again.
Should be a momentous event.
jimfog
03-20-2008, 03:11 PM
Jim, I thought you had a 70 in your deluxe (?)
haha....me, too!!!
Turns out I have a G12H-80!
As I mentioned, it's an odd choice for a Deluxe, but boy, it sure works!
jimfog
03-20-2008, 03:13 PM
He was a truly wonderful young man !!! A very kind and personable fellow....his spirit and outlook were warm and bright in a cold and dark world. Such a cool guy...Pete loved to play his drums. He drove around in a 70's Coupe De Ville with his rig in the trunk...and a box of expensive cigars on the seat...always ready for a gig. He tried to enjoy his life to the fullest, and was one of the best swing and shuffle drummers I had ever had the pleasure to work with. He kept remarking to me that couldn't wait to get back to Jerzee's to hang out with the "Philly Reunion Crew". Pete really enjoyed meeting all of you. We're dedicating the upcoming Military Families fundraiser "Help For Heros" to him.
George,
Really sorry to hear that......I only met Pete briefly at the Jerzee's gig, but he seemed like a great guy.
Please hoist one tomorrow for me!
- Jim
S.W.Erdnase
03-20-2008, 04:07 PM
Otis Spann, Johnny Young, Luther Johnson, Peter Malik, S.P. Leary,
Victoria Spivey
I'm a bad boy Spivey LP-1013
You're going to miss me Spivey LP-1013
when I'm gone
Going back home Spivey LP-1013
Some more good Otis Spann:
I have the original "Blues Jam In Chicago" LP series 1 & 2 on Blue Horizon, later re-named and re-issued as Fleetwood Mac in Chicago. Great piano work...AND vocals by Mr. Spann there as well. I used to see Ralph Bass from Chess records quite a bit back in the 70's, and he along with a mutual pal named Jeff Prine turned me on to the records. I'm looking at the jacket of volume #1 right now : credits : Recorded at Chess Ter-Mar studios. We'll skip Fleetwood Mac and go right to the good stuff : David "honeboy" Edwards, Buddy Guy, Willie Dixon, Walter "shakey" Horton, Otis Spann, S.P. Leary and J.T. Brown....Nuff said ? The liner photos show the guitars blowing out of what looks to me like SF Princeton Reverbs....the jacket is a little worn so I could be wrong.
Man, this place is like Google with brains and good taste. Thanks for that, fretshop!
TwoFeets
03-20-2008, 04:19 PM
Quick question - who played guitar for Charles Brown? (I'm not quizzing you, I don't know)
jimfog
03-20-2008, 04:21 PM
Quick question - who played guitar for Charles Brown? (I'm not quizzing you, I don't know)
Early days it was Johnny Moore, I believe.
Toward the end of his career, his guitarist/bandleader was the fab Danny Caron. Check out his " Good Hands" cd for some sweet jazzy Blues.
jimfog
03-20-2008, 04:24 PM
hey,
I'm checking out a new amp I REALLY like.
VVT Lindy Fralin model.
http://www.vvtamps.com/press.htm
It's like a perfect cross between a Tweed Pro and a BF Fender........very sweet, fat and refined. Really light and manageable, too, with excellent 'verb.
So far, I'm impressed.
S.W.Erdnase
03-20-2008, 04:50 PM
Early days it was Johnny Moore, I believe.
Also Oscar Moore, Johnny Moore's brother, for a period.
Scott Miller
03-20-2008, 05:14 PM
"...who played guitar for Charles Brown?"
Clarence Holliman was in there too, I think. At least so said Carol Fran.
Danny Caron is a local guy; I saw him with Charles Brown and with Floyd Dixon. If I ever get the discipline to go jazz, I think I would seek him out. He kills at straight-up blues as well.
maxVsf
03-20-2008, 06:07 PM
"guitar for Charles Brown"
There was an album on Bluesway I don't have anymore... I think Mel Brown was the guitarist on that one?
Thinsocks
03-20-2008, 06:27 PM
Feets - If you dig Johnny Moore you should check out his group the Three Blazers (which early on featured Charles Brown as the "frontman") . There is a great double cd called "Los Angeles Blues" that has all the RCA sides during the time his brother Oscar (of Nat King Cole fame) was also in the group. Some way cool two guitar stuff.
susudio
03-20-2008, 07:10 PM
Philly Reuinion Gang:
Memorial show for late Petey Vegas tomorrow night, 3/21/08 at Tierney's Tavern, 136-138 Valley Road, Montclair, NJ. 973-744-9785. You'll get to hear the Tremblelux in action once again.
Should be a momentous event.
George, missed you at the Franklin the other night. Mouse set up a memorial for Petey in the corner of the bandstand above the drum kit. It's on the wall over the drummer's left shoulder,... crossed drum sticks and the caption "Vegas' Corner".
Hope to make it to Tierneys some time Friday night.
mr tom
03-20-2008, 07:14 PM
It isn't West Coast - rather, pure Chicago - but I haven't seen Eddy "The Chief" Clearwater's new CD mentioned here. Although it came out a couple weeks ago, I didn't get a chance to spend time with it until last night. It is fabulous. A very good collection of songs, almost all new ones from The Chief, who is singing great and playing his @ss off. Tones are happening, and there's even an acoustic number. Ronnie Baker Brooks produced and guests, respectfully, on a couple of songs. The recording has that hot Alligator sound, which doesn't move me, but the sessions were obviously smokin'. It's among the best discs I've heard recently, worth checking out.
Ryguy
03-20-2008, 08:27 PM
My favorite Charles Brown album is "One for the Road" and it features Billy Butler on guitar playing some really sweet stuff, plus Houston Person on tenor! Great, great record.
GOLDENSTRAT
03-20-2008, 10:01 PM
I have a New Orleans keyboard cd called "Keys to the Crescent City" featuring Charles Brown among others. He plays a killer version of "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen" that changes grooves and moods -it is amazing- way more interesting piano than I'd ever heard from him before. Even if you just Itunes that cut -highly recommended. fred
valcotone
03-20-2008, 10:01 PM
Jim- That Lindy Fralin amp sounds like a real clean machine... can you get any grit out of it at a reasonable volume? Which speaker is in the one you're checking out?
jimfog
03-21-2008, 12:37 AM
Jim- That Lindy Fralin amp sounds like a real clean machine... can you get any grit out of it at a reasonable volume? Which speaker is in the one you're checking out?
Yeah....the descriptions make it sound like a 35LB Twin, no? That's a wee bit of hyberbole. It's not a West Coast "fart tone" amp,(that's not really my thing, anyway), but it's no JC-120 either.
Won't be able to tell for sure until I gig it, but it feels like it gives up the goods a bit without screaming. If it stays too clean, I may bring along a set of 6V6's to crunch up earlier.
The interesting thing is, even at REALLY low volumes, it has a nice fat, warm sustain thing going on...........doesn't thin out when you have to set it up to whisper. That's really rare, IMO.
This is an '06 model with the Weber Alnico.......apparently the new Emi they use has more headroom and is a bit brighter.........not necessarily something I'm looking for. Only drag is, with the Weber in there, the tolerances are TIGHT........have to run short-bottle 6L6's, the others won't fit.
The upside is, it's lighter than my Deluxe, even!
- Jim
susudio
03-21-2008, 08:11 AM
Has anyone played/heard this Dean archtop? It looks like it could be a killer with the 3 p 90's. And it is very affordable..
Sorry if this is off the current topic but this is giving me a case of GAS! :drool
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Palomino-Electric-Guitar?sku=511933
Dave Orban
03-21-2008, 08:15 AM
Has anyone played/heard this Dean archtop? It looks like it could be a killer with the 3 p 90's. And it is very affordable..
Sorry if this is off the current topic but this is giving me a case of GAS! :drool
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Palomino-Electric-Guitar?sku=511933
You mean this one?
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/2/2/229422.jpg
Your link is not showing up, for some reason...
jimfog
03-21-2008, 09:40 AM
Has anyone played/heard this Dean archtop? It looks like it could be a killer with the 3 p 90's. And it is very affordable..
Sorry if this is off the current topic but this is giving me a case of GAS! :drool
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Palomino-Electric-Guitar?sku=511933
I played one up at Coyle's music in Richboro, Pa. a few weeks back.
It was a contender...........good quality, fit and finish......P90's sounded nice. Negs were the typical scrawny overseas neck and frets and I didn't dig the strat-style switching.
If I hadn't picked up that Eastwood Tuxedo, I would have been tempted.
- Jim
TwoFeets
03-21-2008, 10:14 AM
I played a couple at the local Sam Ash. I wasn't impressed at all.
pete kanaras
03-21-2008, 10:32 AM
a "retro" loking guitar designed by a company that caters exclusively to rockers, surprise surprise. waddya expect? that headstock is butt ugly, and a 5way switch on an archtop?!? and 1 volume and 1 tone on a 3pup archtop is just a dumb move, imo. it ain't a strat
it absolutely astounds me that none of these guitar companies(eastwood,'harmony", dean, etc)trying to cater to guys like us don't ever bother to solicit our opinions as to what makes an given instrument "work" for what we want. harmony/eastwood solids with dinky necks that weigh a ton? it is idiotic. i betcha that thing has a shredder neck too.
that thing is off the wall....
jumpnblues
03-21-2008, 01:39 PM
a "retro" loking guitar designed by a company that caters exclusively to rockers, surprise surprise. waddya expect? that headstock is butt ugly, and a 5way switch on an archtop?!? and 1 volume and 1 tone on a 3pup archtop is just a dumb move, imo. it ain't a strat
it absolutely astounds me that none of these guitar companies(eastwood,'harmony", dean, etc)trying to cater to guys like us don't ever bother to solicit our opinions as to what makes an given instrument "work" for what we want. harmony/eastwood solids with dinky necks that weigh a ton? it is idiotic. i betcha that thing has a shredder neck too.
that thing is off the wall....
So, Pete...did ya' like it? ;) :messedup LOL!!!
Tom
jumpnblues
03-21-2008, 01:41 PM
Early days it was Johnny Moore, I believe.
Toward the end of his career, his guitarist/bandleader was the fab Danny Caron. Check out his " Good Hands" cd for some sweet jazzy Blues.
Killer CD by a killer player.
Tom
jumpnblues
03-21-2008, 01:45 PM
Also Oscar Moore, Johnny Moore's brother, for a period.
Wow!! I didn't know Oscar and Johnny were brothers? That was one talented family...one brother with Charles and the other with Nat King Cole. And both of 'em monster players.
Tom
Scott Miller
03-21-2008, 02:25 PM
"Oscar and Johnny were brothers"
Both are great. You hear a lot of Hollywood Fats in Johnny Moore, or vice-versa. Oscar was the jazzier of the two but he could play killer blues. There are a couple of live Floyd Dixon tunes where he plays this distorto-matic bitchen blues with jazz figures in it... a jazz-blues fusion that actually works. "Baby Let's Go Down to the Woods" is one of the tunes.
There's a double CD called "Johnny Moore's Three Blazers" on the Westside label which has both of them, and is an encyclopedia of cool jazz/blues moves. (Disclaimer: It also includes a healthy dose of highly cheesy and nearly unlistenable cocktail pop. I'm a huge Charles Brown fan, but even I get weary of his gooshy vocal delivery, but the Charles Brown imitators, of which we hear on this CD, sometimes just cross right over into sapsville.)
Anyway, if you're looking for those cool chord/note combinations (flat 6 of the root over the IV and whatnot), that CD set is full of them, and it has enough bitchen stuff to counteract the more sappy offerings.
jimfog
03-21-2008, 02:30 PM
There's a double CD called "Johnny Moore's Three Blazers" on the Westside label which has both of them, and is an encyclopedia of cool jazz/blues moves. (Disclaimer: It also includes a healthy dose of highly cheesy and nearly unlistenable cocktail pop. I'm a huge Charles Brown fan, but even I get weary of his gooshy vocal delivery, but the Charles Brown imitators, of which we hear on this CD, sometimes just cross right over into sapsville.)
Anyway, if you're looking for those cool chord/note combinations (flat 6 of the root over the IV and whatnot), that CD set is full of them, and it has enough bitchen stuff to counteract the more sappy offerings.
Hi....my name is Jim and I have a confession to make.
I LOVE the sappy cocktail trio stuff.....really, really love it.
If I could find the right piano guy, I would put together a cocktail trio right NOW.
Nat, Charles Brown, early Brother Ray, Art Tatum, etc, etc........man, I can't get enough!
susudio
03-21-2008, 03:01 PM
a "retro" loking guitar designed by a company that caters exclusively to rockers, surprise surprise. waddya expect? that headstock is butt ugly, and a 5way switch on an archtop?!? and 1 volume and 1 tone on a 3pup archtop is just a dumb move, imo. it ain't a strat
it absolutely astounds me that none of these guitar companies(eastwood,'harmony", dean, etc)trying to cater to guys like us don't ever bother to solicit our opinions as to what makes an given instrument "work" for what we want. harmony/eastwood solids with dinky necks that weigh a ton? it is idiotic. i betcha that thing has a shredder neck too.
that thing is off the wall....
Pete, et al, thanks for the input. I kind of felt it was little strange with the strato switching. Yet it does look interesting (thanks Dave for the pic, that's the one).. I'm still inclined to give it a test drive and see what it sounds like. Worst that happens is it's another wall hanger...
Jim, I was at Jerzees with George's crew but had to leave early and didn't get a chance to play. I liked the tone of the Tuxedo a lot... might have to go there..
Thinsocks
03-21-2008, 03:53 PM
There's a double CD called "Johnny Moore's Three Blazers" on the Westside label which has both of them, and is an encyclopedia of cool jazz/blues moves. (Disclaimer: It also includes a healthy dose of highly cheesy and nearly unlistenable cocktail pop. I'm a huge Charles Brown fan, but even I get weary of his gooshy vocal delivery, but the Charles Brown imitators, of which we hear on this CD, sometimes just cross right over into sapsville.)
Scott, - I can't say I agree with that comment at all. The Westside CD "Los Angeles Blues" is the one I mention on the previous page. Just my opinion, but I don't find anything "unlistenable" or "highly cheesy" on it at all.
Jim - You may dig the Julie London CD "Julie is Her Name". It's a good "after hours" disc. It's from 1955 and Julie is backed by only a upright bass player and some really great chordal guitar playing by Barney Kessel. It's a good dose of "cocktail pop"!
jimfog
03-21-2008, 03:55 PM
Jim - You may dig the Julie London CD "Julie is Her Name". It's a good "after hours" disc. It's from 1955 and Julie is backed by only a upright bass player and some really great chordal guitar playing by Barney Kessel. It's a good dose of "cocktail pop"!
Yup......I'm all over that, and the sequel with Howard Roberts and Red Mitchell. Jeff and I have been wanting to work some of those tunes up with Melissa from the MRK.
Did you know the bass player, Ray "Leatherwood" is actually Ray Brown?
Killer sessions!
Jeff Michael
03-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Hi....my name is Jim and I have a confession to make.
I LOVE the sappy cocktail trio stuff.....really, really love it.
If I could find the right piano guy, I would put together a cocktail trio right NOW.
Nat, Charles Brown, early Brother Ray, Art Tatum, etc, etc........man, I can't get enough!
If you can book that (on non-BM/wedding kind of nights), I think I could get the keys guy.
JAM
jimfog
03-21-2008, 04:03 PM
If you can book that (on non-BM/wedding kind of nights), I think I could get the keys guy.
JAM
Who...and why haven't I heard of him til now???
:jo
How about a good bass player.......any suggestions?
Thinsocks
03-21-2008, 04:06 PM
Did you know the bass player, Ray "Leatherwood" is actually Ray Brown?
I did not! I was wondering why Mr. Leatherwood sounded so good. Ha-Ha.
Scott Miller
03-21-2008, 04:58 PM
Well...
When I meander in the meadow with you
Where oleanders make a beautiful view
We'll see a love song that I dream of come true
When I meander in the meadow with you
I mean...! The needle on the cheese-o-meter is bending!
Regardless, I haven't played this one for a while, it's spinning now and I had forgotten how much great guitar is on here. There are a bunch of blues instrumentals, each one a textbook.
Thinsocks
03-21-2008, 05:34 PM
Well...
When I meander in the meadow with you
Where oleanders make a beautiful view
We'll see a love song that I dream of come true
When I meander in the meadow with you
I mean...! The needle on the cheese-o-meter is bending!
Regardless, I haven't played this one for a while, it's spinning now and I had forgotten how much great guitar is on here. There are a bunch of blues instrumentals, each one a textbook.
Ahh, that's just the normal sentimental jargon of the day. If you dismiss lyrics like that you basically write off all popular music before 1954. I would be more apt to call the lyrics "dated" instead of "cheesy" though.
Strat-O
03-22-2008, 11:32 AM
Ahh, that's just the normal sentimental jargon of the day. If you dismiss lyrics like that you basically write off all popular music before 1954. I would be more apt to call the lyrics "dated" instead of "cheesy" though.
I guess I never put that much thought into it. I just listen to those tunes and dig them. I unabashedly love sentimental, cheesy, dated love songs. And the way those recordings SOUND is killer. I also like movies like "The Sound Of Music" and "Pollyanna".
I do like Thinsocks' analogy better.
Dave Orban
03-22-2008, 11:51 AM
If you can book that (on non-BM/wedding kind of nights), I think I could get the keys guy.
JAMEvery day is a BM day, for me. ;)
RickyKing
03-22-2008, 03:03 PM
I guess I never put that much thought into it. I just listen to those tunes and dig them. I unabashedly love sentimental, cheesy, dated love songs. And the way those recordings SOUND is killer. I also like movies like "The Sound Of Music" and "Pollyanna".
I do like Thinsocks' analogy better.
Ok,so,listen to "Chances Are" by Johnny Mathis...talk about great
production IMHO of course. Pop,sure, but real studio craft,once again IMHO
Goldie295
03-23-2008, 01:18 AM
Played the Eddie 'Blue' Lester gig on Friday.
My plan was to go straight into the Bassman, no reverb, and then use a Love Pedal COT 50 (left on all the time) to boost the amp for overdrive. We sound checked and I was really digging the tones and enjoying the set up.
When we finished I realised I had forgotten to turn the COT 50 on. I was amazed and happily took it out of the signal chain. So during the gig, I literally went straight into the Bassman for the first time ever (I had always wanted to do this but never took the 'risk').
I didn't miss the OD or the reverb at all. A watershed moment for me, no doubt.
Cheers,
Phil
RickyKing
03-23-2008, 03:48 AM
Played the Eddie 'Blue' Lester gig on Friday.
My plan was to go straight into the Bassman, no reverb, and then use a Love Pedal COT 50 (left on all the time) to boost the amp for overdrive. We sound checked and I was really digging the tones and enjoying the set up.
When we finished I realised I had forgotten to turn the COT 50 on. I was amazed and happily took it out of the signal chain. So during the gig, I literally went straight into the Bassman for the first time ever (I had always wanted to do this but never took the 'risk').
I didn't miss the OD or the reverb at all. A watershed moment for me, no doubt.
Cheers,
Phil
I love it when that stuff happens:AOK
bluesjuke
03-23-2008, 07:33 AM
Playing without a 'net' is a good thing Goldie!
TwoFeets
03-23-2008, 09:33 AM
Check it out myspacers - cool pic of Los Carnales and our own Alec James (with his head bisected by a mic stand), w/Felix Reyes and Dave Herrero. Prez on bass.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=55404608&albumID=1806778&imageID=24279722
jumpnblues
03-23-2008, 08:38 PM
Schwalbe and Noel,
Sorry I wimped out on ya's at Blues On Grand. Didn't get much sleep the night before, I knew I wouldn't get home Saturday until about 3:30AM and I had to get up Sunday at 5:00AM. It'd been no problem when I was 25 (about 10 years ago ;)) LOL!! I'll try it again when Schwalbe swings through next time...I promise. :rolleyes: :cool:
Tom
valcotone
03-23-2008, 10:25 PM
That fine fellow has posted more Junior Watson vids:
http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=carstenlarsson&p=r
blueskalle
03-24-2008, 05:35 AM
I believe that Carsten Larsson who is posting these videos in Youtube is a danish bluesguitarist ( one of the top players, i might add). He was formerly with harmonicaplayer Peder Nande, who was voted bluesartist of the year i Denmark 2007.
Kalle
Schwalbe
03-24-2008, 09:36 AM
Schwalbe and Noel,
Sorry I wimped out on ya's at Blues On Grand. Didn't get much sleep the night before, I knew I wouldn't get home Saturday until about 3:30AM and I had to get up Sunday at 5:00AM. It'd been no problem when I was 25 (about 10 years ago ;)) LOL!! I'll try it again when Schwalbe swings through next time...I promise. :rolleyes: :cool:
Tom
We had fun anyway. It would have been more fun if you had been there but...
Next time for sure.
:BEER
Strat-O
03-25-2008, 09:27 AM
I remember when you told us about that guitar.
Does anybody have the lyrics to William Clarke's "She's Dynamite"?
pete kanaras
03-25-2008, 09:48 AM
I conulted on the original Palomino project. A prototype was sent to me to prepare for Anson, and we both just threw up our hands after I did extensive work on it to cut feedback and get some decent action out of it. It was one problem after another. Some of you may remember from my posts from the "other thread". The original had a big fat neck that was unplayable above the 7th fret due to a huge flat top guitar style neck joint, and long tail. The construction would NOT even allow the installation of after market P-90s. The Dean "P's" were a different size and would also not allow swapping covers etc....
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like i said, nothing but hard rock guys trying to catch a retro wave that Don't Have A Friggin' Clue. the defense rests your honor!
haha so george, you mean to tell me that they actually tooled up for their own "p90" type pup AND sprung for the tooling for the custom molded covers too?!?? that is not a cheap proposition, as you certainly know. reminds me of the early 80's and trying to install any normal sized aftermarket pickups in Carvins; all their pickup dimensions were proprietary back then. a flat top style neck join on an archtop? what on earth was/is dean thinking? man this is getting better by the minute!
i can only hope that any manufacturers that wish to market a vintage styled instrument are reading this thread very closely and taking notes. so, for any builders who actually Are reading this saga: guys it Can be done, and quite easily too; CNC machines don't give a damn, they do what they're programmed to do. ask, read and learn Right Here. here you have a very knowledgeable and opinionated crowd, and bigger than you think. p.o.s. original harmony stratotones are going for close to 2grand. do a PROPER clone for $500 and you've got a winner. welcome to our world. capich?
pete kanaras
03-25-2008, 09:59 AM
Does anybody have the lyrics to William Clarke's "She's Dynamite"?
it's an early BB tune strat-o. here ya go bro:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/She's-Dynamite-lyrics-B-B-King/E5AB023652EDBEFA482569680023749D
susudio
03-25-2008, 10:18 AM
I conulted on the original Palomino project. A prototype was sent to me to prepare for Anson, and we both just threw up our hands after I did extensive work on it to cut feedback and get some decent action out of it. It was one problem after another. Some of you may remember from my posts from the "other thread". The original had a big fat neck that was unplayable above the 7th fret due to a huge flat top guitar style neck joint, and long tail. The construction would NOT even allow the installation of after market P-90s. The Dean "P's" were a different size and would also not allow swapping covers etc....
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like i said, nothing but hard rock guys trying to catch a retro wave that Don't Have A Friggin' Clue. the defense rests your honor!
haha so george, you mean to tell me that they actually tooled up for their own "p90" type pup AND sprung for the tooling for the custom molded covers too?!?? that is not a cheap proposition, as you certainly know. reminds me of the early 80's and trying to install any normal sized aftermarket pickups in Carvins; all their pickup dimensions were proprietary back then. a flat top style neck join on an archtop? what on earth was/is dean thinking? man this is getting better by the minute!
i can only hope that any manufacturers that wish to market a vintage styled instrument are reading this thread very closely and taking notes. so, for any builders who actually Are reading this saga: guys it Can be done, and quite easily too; CNC machines don't give a damn, they do what they're programmed to do. ask, read and learn Right Here. here you have a very knowledgeable and opinionated crowd, and bigger than you think. p.o.s. original harmony stratotones are going for close to 2grand. do a PROPER clone for $500 and you've got a winner. welcome to our world. capich?
Ok, I'm convinced...
I'll wait for that proper clone at $500, but I won't hold my breath because I'll be very blue indeed!!
fretshop
03-25-2008, 10:32 AM
Pete & John :
The more I got into that guitar the crazier it got. Pickups: Soap bars (not dog ears as recommended) with screws and springs for adjustment....nice idea but not well executed. the pickup brace bars were very cheap soft wood and wouldn't hold the screws for very long. The screws were also very cheap and stripped easlily. The pickups had different depth dimensions and magnet sizes than domestic versions, and had the cheapest quality Rube Goldbergish base plate I had ever seen...The pickups squealed like H**l even after potting !! The company pickup covers would not fit the Duncan Antiquities that we intended on installing...so we couldn't get the stock pickups to work in the company dimension routes.
The wood work, inlay and appointments were beautiful, but the neck dimensions were horrific. Early 80's "Les Paulish" back contour on the neck until the 7th - 8th fret, then a radical 2 to 3 degree radius downsweep into an enormous, no...gargantuan neck heel, that protruded almost an inch from the body. No way anybody was gonna get behind that baby...uh uh. Soooo, I made my notes, forwarded them to the project manager, and they told me that the remarks were sent off to the manufacturer for "study"...(?). Although I was recruited to debug the instrument, I never received any feedback...and just forgot about it. The bottom line here is : The company may have confronted the issues with the instrument and corrected them...I don't know, because I haven't been able to see any side or back photos. IMHO....It's a very pretty instrument, and the wood work is beautiful, but as far as playability, I don't think I'd buy one sight unseen. Just my opinion...
fretshop
03-25-2008, 10:55 AM
Has anyone played/heard this Dean archtop? It looks like it could be a killer with the 3 p 90's. And it is very affordable..
Sorry if this is off the current topic but this is giving me a case of GAS! :drool
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Palomino-Electric-Guitar?sku=511933
John, I would recommend the Epi Zephyr Blues Deluxe.
Question for you archtop guys - I have Reissue ES-5 that I picked up awhile back. Very nice looking and it plays great. Did not sound great though. It still has the stock pickups which will probably end up changing out. But the primary problem was the pickup height was too low so I installed some risers to get them closer the strings and this improved things. I also replaced the ABR bridge that came with it for a rosewood bridge. But now I am getting some funky overtones that are not pleasing at all. I thought at first the pickups might be to high but I found that by placing a rag under the tailpiece it stops the problem. Any ideas on how to correct this problem?
susudio
03-25-2008, 11:45 AM
John, I would recommend the Epi Zephyr Blues Deluxe.
G, thanks, I'll take a look at that..
TwoFeets
03-25-2008, 12:06 PM
Sam Ash had a Carlo Robelli-branded version of the Zephyr Blues Deluxe. They were tagged at $599 and they couldn't give the things away. Wrong market, I guess. I was sorely tempted, but at the time I already had a Korean P90 box in the Fatdog and couldn't justify the purchase. They were seemingly pretty well-built and they played nicely. The pickups were kind of weak but otherwise, no real complaints. Knockoff Bigsby, too. You can find them on Ebay for short cash now and then because people don't know about them, and/or often mis-list them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peerless-Robelli-es-500-hollow-archtop-jazz-box-guitar_W0QQitemZ300207629083QQihZ020QQcategoryZ238 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
jumpnblues
03-25-2008, 12:24 PM
John, I would recommend the Epi Zephyr Blues Deluxe.
Had one. Great guitar, especially for the money. Better resonance than the Gibson L5CES I had at the time and at least as well constructed. The Gibson fretted out in two places and the tail piece was mounted off center, right out of the box. I had a tech correct the fretting out but couldn't do anything about the tail piece short of returning it to the factory. And since I'd already waited a year and a half to get it I just kept it for a few years then sold it. Gibson redeemed themselves with the Custom Shop ES-5 Switchmaster with P-90's I bought though...great guitar and extremely well constructed. Superb tone too, although I did have Lollar P-90's installed.
Anyway, I had Lollar P-90's installed in the ZBD and it turned out to be a great guitar too. I can't figure out why Epi stopped making them. I thought they sold a ton of 'em. Kinda' wish I hadn't sold it but as sometimes is the case, I needed the cash to buy something else. :jo :jo
Tom
Scott Miller
03-25-2008, 12:48 PM
Charlie Musselwhite is now an actor; he has a small part in a movie called "Pig Hunt," the synopsis of which is:
"When John takes his San Francisco friends to his deceased uncle's remote ranch to hunt wild pigs, it seems like a typical guys weekend with guns - despite the presence of John's sexy girlfriend Brooks. But as John and his crew trek deeper into the forest, they begin tracking the awful truth about his uncle's demise and the legend of The Ripper -- a murderous three-thousand-pound black boar! Their pursuit leads them through fields of marijuana and into the muddy landscape of Big Wallow, involving high-powered weaponry, the violent and unpredictable Tibbs Brothers, massacred emus, a machete-toting Hippie Stranger, vengeful rednecks, and throat-slitting Cult Girls who grow dope by day and worship a Giant Killer Pig by night."
All I have to say is don't look at the trailer if you're at work.
susudio
03-25-2008, 01:05 PM
Charlie Musselwhite is now an actor; he has a small part in a movie called "Pig Hunt," the synopsis of which is:
"When John takes his San Francisco friends to his deceased uncle's remote ranch to hunt wild pigs, it seems like a typical guys weekend with guns - despite the presence of John's sexy girlfriend Brooks. But as John and his crew trek deeper into the forest, they begin tracking the awful truth about his uncle's demise and the legend of The Ripper -- a murderous three-thousand-pound black boar! Their pursuit leads them through fields of marijuana and into the muddy landscape of Big Wallow, involving high-powered weaponry, the violent and unpredictable Tibbs Brothers, massacred emus, a machete-toting Hippie Stranger, vengeful rednecks, and throat-slitting Cult Girls who grow dope by day and worship a Giant Killer Pig by night."
All I have to say is don't look at the trailer if you're at work.
Sounds like a typical Saturday night in New Jersey!
susudio
03-25-2008, 01:07 PM
Sam Ash had a Carlo Robelli-branded version of the Zephyr Blues Deluxe. They were tagged at $599 and they couldn't give the things away. Wrong market, I guess. I was sorely tempted, but at the time I already had a Korean P90 box in the Fatdog and couldn't justify the purchase. They were seemingly pretty well-built and they played nicely. The pickups were kind of weak but otherwise, no real complaints. Knockoff Bigsby, too. You can find them on Ebay for short cash now and then because people don't know about them, and/or often mis-list them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peerless-Robelli-es-500-hollow-archtop-jazz-box-guitar_W0QQitemZ300207629083QQihZ020QQcategoryZ238 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I'll check this out as well. Thanks..
susudio
03-25-2008, 01:08 PM
Had one. Great guitar, especially for the money. Better resonance than the Gibson L5CES I had at the time and at least as well constructed. The Gibson fretted out in two places and the tail piece was mounted off center, right out of the box. I had a tech correct the fretting out but couldn't do anything about the tail piece short of returning it to the factory. And since I'd already waited a year and a half to get it I just kept it for a few years then sold it. Gibson redeemed themselves with the Custom Shop ES-5 Switchmaster with P-90's I bought though...great guitar and extremely well constructed. Superb tone too, although I did have Lollar P-90's installed.
Anyway, I had Lollar P-90's installed in the ZBD and it turned out to be a great guitar too. I can't figure out why Epi stopped making them. I thought they sold a ton of 'em. Kinda' wish I hadn't sold it but as sometimes is the case, I needed the cash to buy something else. :jo :jo
Tom
Great suggestions and good things to keep in mind for guitar shop/ebay type searches.. Thanks all..
fretshop
03-25-2008, 01:14 PM
I'll check this out as well. Thanks..
Dave Gross uses the Carlo Robelli guitar.
nc slim
03-25-2008, 05:02 PM
I played a half set w anson's Palomino but I never could get it to sound like I wanted
sethr
03-25-2008, 08:53 PM
I found that by placing a rag under the tailpiece it stops the problem. Any ideas on how to correct this problem?
Place a rag under the tailpiece.
Strat-O
03-26-2008, 07:40 AM
Does anybody have the lyrics to William Clarke's "She's Dynamite"?
it's an early BB tune strat-o. here ya go bro:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/She's-Dynamite-lyrics-B-B-King/E5AB023652EDBEFA482569680023749D
Ha! How about that! I've got tons of BB's early stuff, I'll have to go back and check it out. Thanks for the link!!!!
:BEER
Scott Miller
03-26-2008, 07:40 PM
I vaguely remember shouts out in need of an Eminence speaker. Someone on an Internet list here is selling an Eminence Patriot Commonwealth 15", and that is all I know about it. I don't even know who the person is. PM me if you want me to get more info.
Goldie295
03-27-2008, 02:52 AM
I vaguely remember shouts out in need of an Eminence speaker. Someone on an Internet list here is selling an Eminence Patriot Commonwealth 15", and that is all I know about it. I don't even know who the person is. PM me if you want me to get more info.
Scott,
Thanks for looking out. I am after an Eminence 15" but holding out for a 200w Legend.
Cheers,
Phil
nc slim
03-27-2008, 07:29 AM
We do she's dynamite off the Fats record is that the same vocals? I have heard bb's but never compared them. Kim wilson did it also
Scott Miller
03-27-2008, 08:00 AM
"She's Dynamite" was also done by Tampa Red in '50 or '51. Same song as Fats and Kim Wilson. It's on the "Chicago is Just That Way" JSP compilation.
RickyKing
03-27-2008, 02:46 PM
pretty quiet here lately.....
Schwalbe
03-27-2008, 02:59 PM
pretty quiet here lately.....
Hmmm...s'pose I could write about something.
The pedal that our pal Mike Law likes to recommend, the Greer Ghetto Stomp real is a pretty darn good machine. I've never been fond of the Tube Screamer sound and the Stomp is definatly not in the TS camp. It's touch sensitive and sort of organic sounding and it gets a tweed like crunch. I like it better than master volumes or speaker attenuators for getting by at a gig where I've brought too much amp.
The Heritage H535 is working out nicely. The Duncan Seth Lover's are good pickups. I had thought about swapping them out but after giving them a chance I find they sound good and I can get what I want from them. I especially like turning down the tone on the neck pup while running both pups and then backing off the neck volume just a touch.
OK it's less quiet around here now.
valcotone
03-27-2008, 03:03 PM
Hmmm.... I pulled the Lollar CC pickup out of my tele in favour of the original Lollar... it just didn't play nice with the bridge pickup. I know Dave likes that configuration but...
And I'm selling a cool-ass old Gretsch 2x12 amp by Valco/Supro and a couple of pickups (including the CC)...
Did anyone else hear San Pedro Slim on the Jeff Scott KUCI show on Monday? He was chatting up his new release that was produced and guitar'd on by Rick Holmstrom... some fine stuff!
dddelta
03-27-2008, 04:53 PM
Are any of the Jeff Scott shows on KUCI on an archive somewhere to listen again? Or does anyone on this thread save them anywhere?
The time difference between the UK and the US makes it difficult to catch that show.
Strat-O
03-27-2008, 04:55 PM
pretty quiet here lately.....
well I'm just maxxed out. totally overwhelmed with life. guys who just run around the country in a van playing music have got it made.
me i've got three bands (where I'm the leader), mixing and mastering a cd for one band, playing gigs all over the place all the time, volunteer for the local blues society, got a full time job, I'm a husband and a Dad and...I'm still broke and in debt.
I eat too much, can't get enough sleep, drink too much coffee, and am stressed out all the time. And, my wife won't cook or clean.
now back to your regularly scheduled program...I'm off to my weekly thursday night gig to drink some freakin' booze!
Schwalbe
03-27-2008, 05:22 PM
well ...I'm off to my weekly thursday night gig to drink some freakin' booze!
Have fun!!
susudio
03-27-2008, 09:10 PM
well I'm just maxxed out. totally overwhelmed with life. guys who just run around the country in a van playing music have got it made.
me i've got three bands (where I'm the leader), mixing and mastering a cd for one band, playing gigs all over the place all the time, volunteer for the local blues society, got a full time job, I'm a husband and a Dad and...I'm still broke and in debt.
I eat too much, can't get enough sleep, drink too much coffee, and am stressed out all the time. And, my wife won't cook or clean.
now back to your regularly scheduled program...I'm off to my weekly thursday night gig to drink some freakin' booze!
I think you just wrote a blues tune.. "Woke up this mornin', well I'm just maxxed out... Woke up this mornin' well I'm just maxxed out..............etc., etc., :)
Dave Orban
03-27-2008, 09:38 PM
Hmmm.... I pulled the Lollar CC pickup out of my tele in favour of the original Lollar... it just didn't play nice with the bridge pickup. I know Dave likes that configuration but...
I have a Biltoft (www.vintagevibeguitars.com) CC in the neck of my Mary Kaye tele, and I originally had it mated to a Duncan Broadcaster. The Broadcaster was weak and anemic sounding, compared to the CC.
So I had Pete wind me a t-style bridge pickup that would match the output of the CC. The tradeoff was some loss of "twang," but overall, they do sound great together....!
Short Bus
03-27-2008, 09:40 PM
I just got done installing a set of Don Mare's Junior Watson set in my gold metalflake Affinity strat. I don't recommend the Affinity BTW as I had to replace the pots after 6 months. And then the tailpiece cracked at a string hole. Since I've replaced the pots and the tailpiece I'll keep it.
Back to the PUs now. Wow!! I'm playing it through a Silvertone 1457 right now. The notes are crisp, tight and so right!
Mr. Mare, you have another very satisfied customer!!
Dave Orban
03-27-2008, 09:41 PM
Don makes GREAT pickups, don't he...? :dude
zappafrank
03-27-2008, 11:52 PM
Don makes GREAT pickups, don't he...? :dude
Yes, Don surely does!!!!!:dude:dude
I love mine---Watson 'Hot' set in the Pee Wee strat, and some customs in the Tele-partso-caster (KBR got the exact same set---)
Thank you Don!
ac
Goldie295
03-28-2008, 03:22 AM
Did a jam last night with just my Epiphone Blues Zephyr (with 12s ribbon wound) and a friends silverface twin (ouch!). Volume wise, I had all of the Epiphone pups on 2 and the tone rolled back to 3.5. The guitar is completely stock. I also turned off the amps reverb.
The sound felt great. No need to touch the dials. I just picked softly for chords and less softly for lead. I have never had so many good things said to me after a bash. I put it all down to turning the reverb off. You immediately get an old school feel, loads of cut with little volume required and a feeling of doing things right.
Recommended.
Cheers,
Phil
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