West Coast Blues Thread - Version 2.0

[Strat-O]

I have some good music news. A good friend of mine that I've been playing with this year around town is working on re-releasing a disc he recorded in the early 90's. He was backed up by John Marx and Kirk Fletcher on guitar, Rick Reed on bass, and Paul Fasulo on drums. Its a hot swinging disc with horns and smoking guitar, sort of a Big Joe Williams/Wynonie Harris sounding thing. It was originally recorded at Pacifica I believe. We're going to remix and remaster it and let 'er rip. Its great music and we're hoping to hit the studio in Jan/Feb to record another album in the same vein.

[Scott Miller]

A mild BlueBeat binge resulted in Mitch Kashmar's latest, but it will have to wait until I get through the Complete Cecil Gant #6 and 7. I have an inexplicable weakness for Cecil Gant; thank God his complete recordings comprise a mere 7 CDs.

Anyway, Charlie Lange told me that Gant's last stuff (Vol 7) had Merle Travis on it, but according to the liner notes, it's Grady Martin. Grady does just fine on the bluesy stuff, although it sounds a little bit like a Nashville country musician playing blues. However, on the more uptempo stuff he cuts loose more than somewhat and gets in some highly unusual licks; dropping in minor 6ths and natural 7ths in all the wrong-but-right places and a bunch of other wacky things. Nice twangy/gritty tone, too. It's not going to tear your heart out and stomp on it, but idea-wise, it's extremely cool stuff.

[Dave Orban]

I have some good music news. A good friend of mine that I've been playing with this year around town is working on re-releasing a disc he recorded in the early 90's. He was backed up by John Marx and Kirk Fletcher on guitar, Rick Reed on bass, and Paul Fasulo on drums. Its a hot swinging disc with horns and smoking guitar, sort of a Big Joe Williams/Wynonie Harris sounding thing. It was originally recorded at Pacifica I believe. We're going to remix and remaster it and let 'er rip. Its great music and we're hoping to hit the studio in Jan/Feb to record another album in the same vein.Is John the guy who played with Clarke...?

[rhartt1234]

I have some good music news. A good friend of mine that I've been playing with this year around town is working on re-releasing a disc he recorded in the early 90's. He was backed up by John Marx and Kirk Fletcher on guitar, Rick Reed on bass, and Paul Fasulo on drums.

OK. Every time I use my powers of prognostication when someone post something like this I end up stepping in it. They leave out the person's name on purpose and I have to go and show off and blurt out the missing info. But since I'm not good at much besides knowing useless stuff I have to use it where I can.

Is it Patrick Vining?

I remember Kirk telling me about that session and doing a short tour with Ptrik too.

Ok ok just send me a private email and I'll erase it. I should know better but so should all of you!

I meant to comment on Bob Welch too.
He has been one of my favorite guitar players since I saw him with Rusty Zinn in 99 or so. Rusty was good but a little reserved. Bob ably backed up Rusty on piano and occasionally guitar. Then Rusty turned Bob loose on a jump instrumental and He KILLED! Really raw but really swinging. I caught him with Watson a few times and did more or less the same tune that Skilback posted. I caught the Hummel Harp Blowout last week and Bob was filling in for Charles Wheal on guitar. It was the first time I'd geard him play more guitar than piano and he was awesome. He won't knock you out with with his originality but he has the Lockwood/Tucker/Myers sh*t down! His playing has certainly evolved since I first saw him and I would love to hear more.

[zappafrank]

Is John the guy who played with Clarke...?

Dave---Yep.

ac

[Dave Orban]

Dave---Yep.

acGrazie. ;)

[zappafrank]

IT's OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h271/64strat/jimibott2.jpg

I can't believe it---all you guys better pick this up, and support Mr. Jimi Bott and your brutha here!!

It's CHEAP, too----

http://cdbaby.com/cd/jimibott2

WOO HOO!!!

ac---who feels as close as he probably ever will to being a proud papa!

[Dave Orban]

IT's OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h271/64strat/jimibott2.jpg

I can't believe it---all you guys better pick this up, and support Mr. Jimi Bott and your brutha here!!

It's CHEAP, too----

http://cdbaby.com/cd/jimibott2

WOO HOO!!!

ac---who feels as close as he probably ever will to being a proud papa!Great lineup. It has to be KILLER!

[zappafrank]

Oh, BTW--I'm on Blue Midnight (with Marco Savo doing the tinkly guitar parts---) then I'm the only guitarist on Rockinitus, Kiss Me Or Cuss Me, and My First Crime

----I promise, you guys will love Marco Savo's swingin' playing on his cuts, and Suburban Slim is a barn-burner of the highest order

can you tell I'm excited 'bout this??

ac

[Strat-O]

AC - You should be excited..who wouldn't? Give us the lowdown on the amp you were playing.

Ryan - He's the one. I wasn't trying to be covert necessarily, maybe just a little low profile. But I'm excited about the music you know so I had to say something.

[mikelaw]

carl---ctr! my blues brotha!

holy crap AC that is so awesome bro!!!!! wow. congrats! rob mola has been singing your praises i cant wait to hear you.

[zappafrank]

Strat-O-----That was the 66' ES-335 on all these cuts I'm on thru a fake asian 'Fender' reverb stand-alone unit (I now am using a Premier again...but that asian 'clone', although POORLY strung together, sounded damn good!)---and then into the trusty Holmsrom '96 Victoria 4-10" Pro/Bandmaster amp that Rick had specially built to cop Watson's rig

---that's it, except for a tremolo pedal (Dreamtone 'Sexy Vibe' Tremolo---nice one, I had 4 others that left me wanting, but this is a solid keeper) that I used on "Kiss Me Or Cuss Me"

ac

[zappafrank]

---I just bought 8 copies off of CDBaby---I have not even heard the dang thing yet---I don't have an advance copy LOL!!!! They come out to like 7.50 each if you buy more than one TODAY---good deal, bros---

Check out the title track "Bott and Paid For" and "Toothache"---that's Marco---just f'n INSANE!!!!!

BTW, I'm the fat guy 'sandwiched' between the 2 harp players in the pics--- although it is coming off now, so the NEXT CD (in the works, from what I understand...) will have a much more pleasant pic LOL!!

ac

[zappafrank]

oops---I lied---if you buy more than one, it's $7.78 a cd---I was off .28cents!

ac

[valcotone]

AC - Great news man, congrats on the new release!!

[zappafrank]

Oh---Marco also played thru my Victoria amp when he played w/ Paul DeLay on that night---no reverb, no nuthin---just that amp and his '37 Gibson ES-150 CC.

ac

[dukeh62]

Hey guys,

Geez...I take one day off work and I miss like a million posts!

Zappa....conrats on the CD!!! Great feeling, huh?

Janky, Jet, et al....you've got my head spinning with all the cool players you posted! Got some shopping to do.

And...looks like the topic came up again about the TQ articles...although I don't see some referenced posts, so I guess they were erased. Let me again state for the record: I CAN'T WAIT to read some great huge OVERDUE articles on Jr. and Rick. They deserve it in the worst way.

[HappyValley]

Duke - Best of Luck w/ Sugar- do what you do..
Fret- Spoke to Chairman Nulisch at length today...Buzz me.
"Jankety-Frankety"- Replied (finally!) to your myspace message...get me via email, mane!

Sudden change o' topic.....post-bad - gig change o'topic, I might add...
Ever do stuff on a lame show for the sake , well, of just DOING it? For kicks in front of a beat - a*s - crowd?
Tonight I sang,(YIKES!!), over - bent strings ala Albert meets Buddy (HUH??!!), swung like a dead mule tied to a fire hydrant and dropped my trousers (OK, I lied on that one!!). The point being, I was totally "out of my head"- meaning playing head, of course! No constructive ideas flowing, yadda yadda yadda.....; Did everything I could to overcome the monotony of the inevitably bad scene. I wonder how y'all deal with such messes...do tell! Even after all these years, I still can't beat a bad playin' head..geesh......

[zappafrank]

Duke - Best of Luck w/ Sugar- do what you do..
Fret- Spoke to Chairman Nulisch at length today...Buzz me.
"Jankety-Frankety"- Replied (finally!) to your myspace message...get me via email, mane!

Sudden change o' topic.....post-bad - gig change o'topic, I might add...
Ever do stuff on a lame show for the sake , well, of just DOING it? For kicks in front of a beat - a*s - crowd?
Tonight I sang,(YIKES!!), over - bent strings ala Albert meets Buddy (HUH??!!), swung like a dead mule tied to a fire hydrant and dropped my trousers (OK, I lied on that one!!). The point being, I was totally "out of my head"- meaning playing head, of course! No constructive ideas flowing, yadda yadda yadda.....; Did everything I could to overcome the monotony of the inevitably bad scene. I wonder how y'all deal with such messes...do tell! Even after all these years, I still can't beat a bad playin' head..geesh......

hmmmm---man, I think I'm lost here---What exactly happened???---What are you asking, for sure??? What's that about 'head' and 'ideas flowing'???

Well---I've never really 'overcome' bad situations---they are what they are...what i really hate, is CAUSING the bad, monotonous, boring, etc...scene...

Does that help give an answer, Backalley???? sorry if i'm not connecting--:crazy

Nick A.---is this you????---Did you have a bad gig???---If SO, a player at your level, IMO, is really going to have trouble on an emotional level 'backpedalling' on a gig w/ things not going right---'cause you are at a very HIGH point of ability and know the diff. between "good and bad" performances from ANYONE you may be playing with, and a bad situation will affect you (and players at your level) more than the 'B or C team'---you CARE, and KNOW the difference---and what can a player do but try to make SOMETHING happen, by doing SOMETHING different to make it better---and SOMETIMES, it's those situations that have a profound impact on how you approach future performances.....

jeeez---I sound like I'm pretending to understand what you were writing about---sorry man....

ac

[Poppa Stoppa]

AC - that's a fantastic record! The taster clips on CD Baby are great. Your stuff sounds very cool! 'Blue Midnight', 'Kiss Me or Cuss Me' and 'My First Crime' are awesome.

Marco Savo - yeah. A great unusual groove on 'Toothache'. And who's playing that great guitar on the opening cut 'Jumpin' With Jimi'?

[Stringmaster]

Congrats AC! I got mine on order--looking forward to it!
DD

[Scott Miller]

Great job, AC. The title cut is also known as "Tiny's Tempo," but you prolly knew that. I like to play that one with octaves on the corny part of the riff.

Stolen bass alert: Jimi Bott's old buddy and ex-T-Bird Marc Carino had his 67 P-bass stolen recently. You'll recognize it because it's had all hell beat out of it. Marc is a fantastic bass player, one of the best around here.

OK, so I'm back-pedaling now on previous Johnny Otis statements. Most of that CD I spoke of kicks major ass. I'm getting kind of worried about Johnny, though. His son... or maybe grandson, I get them mixed up, has been doing his radio show for some time now. I miss that sarcastic bastage; he's been a part of my Saturday morning for almost 20 years, and before that, my Saturday nights.

[straightblues]

I just got back from the 11:00 start of the Long Beach Blues Festival. I live about 1,000 yards from the stage so I went and checked out the Mannish Boys who opened the festival this morning. They are an allstar band with Kid Ramos, Mike Eldrige, and Rusty Zinn on guitar. The drumer and keyboard player and the guys from the original Hollywood Fats band. The singer were Johnny Dyer and Finis Tasby. The harp player was Randy Chortkoff. Kirk Fletcher works with them also but was't with them at this show since he is touring.

Kid Ramos played a strat and an esquire today. It was the absolute fatttest strat tone I have ever heard. Amazing. He is a great player that doesn't overplay but you know he is on the bandstand.

Rusty Played a Goldtop Les Paul with humbuckers and Mike played a tele. Mikes tele was all treble ala Albert Collins. It really ripped.

Just came home for lunch. Heading back out now for a few more acts.

Check out the Mannish boys if you get a chance.
http://www.themannishboys.com/

[mikelaw]

at least there WAS a crowd nicky! The thing I hate more then anything is playing a full 3-4 hour gig with 4 people there. Drains the life out of me in SO many ways.

I always say I would rather make nothing and play for a psycho, BIG crowd all night, working harder then EVER. Then play for $200 a man to NOONE. UGH! :(

[zappafrank]

AC - that's a fantastic record! The taster clips on CD Baby are great. Your stuff sounds very cool! 'Blue Midnight', 'Kiss Me or Cuss Me' and 'My First Crime' are awesome.

Marco Savo - yeah. A great unusual groove on 'Toothache'. And who's playing that great guitar on the opening cut 'Jumpin' With Jimi'?

Thanks so much, Poppa!---I'm not the most "rippin'" player on that CD, IMO, as far as effortless flow of new ideas and uncharted territory explored---I ain't that smart and I can't play that fast! But hopefully I contribute some little thing that is different and enjoyable to the listener, and is discernable as my own style---I was surrounded by major talent, AFAIC...
And that is Suburban Slim (aka Phil Waggoner) on the opener---he also plays and sings on the 1st few tracks---he's just a g-d monster all the way around!! And, a super nice, good person....He won our local Blues Association's 'Best Electric Guitar' award last year---FINALLY!---(I know, those awards things are pretty insipid and largely political and full 'a hype, but it's nice to see recognition---I was happy to be nominated once or twice over the years---Phil FOR SURE deserves a few 'Muddy Awards' on his fireplace mantle!!)

ac

[zappafrank]

Great job, AC. The title cut is also known as "Tiny's Tempo," but you prolly knew that. I like to play that one with octaves on the corny part of the riff.

Stolen bass alert: Jimi Bott's old buddy and ex-T-Bird Marc Carino had his 67 P-bass stolen recently. You'll recognize it because it's had all hell beat out of it. Marc is a fantastic bass player, one of the best around here.



Scott--that's f'n horrible about Marc's bass---I got to see him and Curtis Smith play up here one night, and Marc Carino became my new favorite blues bassist! He just lays it down and drives it like a Kenworth all night---I was blown away, and wished he and Curtis would both move up to Portland so I could play with em' sometimes! Curtis offered to sell me one of his Goldtop RI's for a very reasonable price---too bad I was broke at the time.

PS---yeah, I know that as Tiny's Tempo as well. You'll hear why it got that title when you hear the whole 8 minutes of that song:D

ac

[zappafrank]

straightblues---Now THAT sounds like a killer show!! Glad you had such a good time---I know I woulda dug that as well---

Stringmaster---yeah! Thanks for picking up a copy!---gimme a 'full review' when you get it! (er, if you hate it---just email me privately! LOL!)

ac

[valcotone]

Gear comes and gear goes... since a couple of recent acquisitions, I'm looking to part with a couple of tasty tone tools. I thought I'd give my buds on the WCB thread first crack in case anyone is interested before ebay.

I have a solidbody 1956 Silvertone H41/2 Newport Stratotone (made by Harmony) and 1951 Masco ME-31 PA head (dual 6L6s and octal pres) that will be on the block soon. If you're interested please zap me a private email - thanks.

http://www.kilback.net/sale/newport.jpg http://www.kilback.net/sale/masco.jpg

[zappafrank]

skilback---NICE!!! BOTH of em'!---I'm determined to quit 'acquiring' guitars for awhile---I just sold my Victorilux 3-10" amp with the 6L6 configuration last night---now, it's on to the Harmony 415, the ES-175, ES-100, maybe a strat, and the Jim Hall-style Duggan-Smith jazzer (sniff....)

Good luck, Sean---those are too cool bud--

ac

[zappafrank]

Oh MIKELAW-----here's some evilness to tempt you---you posted a pic of the '60 LP Special RI TV Yellow awhile back----and you about KILLED me!---I WANT ONE---but, nope, I'm being 'responsible'----so, here's some PAYBACK for your cruelty!!!

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=166735

ac

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Just a minor epiphany on the way home from work tonight- the blues show played B.B. King 1964 "I Can't Lose" (flipside to " Rock Me") and there was Jimmie Vaughan's whole scene right there! His solo, the phrasing, the inflections were all right there.
Way to AC! congrats on the new CD, can't wait to here it.
By the by, when is Holmstrom's coming out? fred

[jetlag]

AC, congrads on the CD! Something to be really proud of. Every clip on CDBaby I listened to was great. I really liked your tremo sound and how your part glued the tune together. Nice, tasty stuff bro.

[HappyValley]

hmmmm---man, I think I'm lost here---What exactly happened???---What are you asking, for sure??? What's that about 'head' and 'ideas flowing'???

Well---I've never really 'overcome' bad situations---they are what they are...what i really hate, is CAUSING the bad, monotonous, boring, etc...scene...

Does that help give an answer, Backalley???? sorry if i'm not connecting--:crazy

Nick A.---is this you????---Did you have a bad gig???---If SO, a player at your level, IMO, is really going to have trouble on an emotional level 'backpedalling' on a gig w/ things not going right---'cause you are at a very HIGH point of ability and know the diff. between "good and bad" performances from ANYONE you may be playing with, and a bad situation will affect you (and players at your level) more than the 'B or C team'---you CARE, and KNOW the difference---and what can a player do but try to make SOMETHING happen, by doing SOMETHING different to make it better---and SOMETIMES, it's those situations that have a profound impact on how you approach future performances.....

jeeez---I sound like I'm pretending to understand what you were writing about---sorry man....

ac

Zappa- Yeah Bro', it's Nick A, allright, and -damn, you nailed it!!! Thanks for the positive reinforcement & for entertaining my buffoonery ....do you accept Blue Cross Insurance? :AOK
Seriously, thanks.....your perspective helped a bunch!!

[TwoFeets]

Sudden change o' topic.....post-bad - gig change o'topic, I might add...
Ever do stuff on a lame show for the sake , well, of just DOING it? For kicks in front of a beat - a*s - crowd?
Tonight I sang,(YIKES!!), over - bent strings ala Albert meets Buddy (HUH??!!), swung like a dead mule tied to a fire hydrant and dropped my trousers (OK, I lied on that one!!). The point being, I was totally "out of my head"- meaning playing head, of course! No constructive ideas flowing, yadda yadda yadda.....; Did everything I could to overcome the monotony of the inevitably bad scene. I wonder how y'all deal with such messes...do tell! Even after all these years, I still can't beat a bad playin' head..geesh......

I think you can probably identify, having played with Rack for as long as you have, of carrying the bulk of your set list for quite a long time. It's hard to keep that stuff fresh, especially when there's not a ton of time to get together and rehearse new material. I stumbled across some set lists from a few years ago the other day when cleaning the house and I was surprised at how many of those tunes are still in our set today.

I think it makes it doubly hard then, when you get a tough crowd that you just can't seem to connect with, to really "get it up" and keep forging ahead. Living in Blues Hell, as it were, I totally get that, too. Lots of gigs I feel like I'm just playing for my own satisfaction, because it's clear that no one there gives a damn; they might as well just play the jukebox all night.

Where I carry about 50% of frontman duties/vocals with this band, I think I have more of an opportunity to shake things up a little. I'll call something we've never done before, try desperately to remember the lyrics, and fly by the seat of my pants. Playing-wise, sometimes I do weird crap like try to interject bits of classic rock solos or show tunes, whatever I can think of, into my own lead breaks. Most times nobody will ever know; and on the off chance they recognize it, sometimes it even gets cheap applause. Bonus!

IMO the real measure of what kind of player you are is that you recognize a dead night and a beat-arse crowd when you see it and try to DO something about it. It would be just as easy to say screw it, mail it in, and play rote pentatonic solos from memory over I-IV-V progressions all night while keeping one eye on the TV hanging behind the bar.

So I guess, to answer your question - ANYTHING GOES!

[zappafrank]

Dang TwooFeets--- I ALWAYS play " rote pentatonic solos from memory over I-IV-V progressions all night.....)








...I feel---so...SMALL!!!

ac
(where's that smiley face????)

[TwoFeets]

Dang TwooFeets--- I ALWAYS play " rote pentatonic solos from memory over I-IV-V progressions all night.....)








...I feel---so...SMALL!!!

ac
(where's that smiley face????)

LOL

I don't hear a lot of "rote" in your playing.

[mikelaw]

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[Autopilot Slim]

FYI

Here is a distributor I get alot of my music from, check it out.
www.triangle-music.com (http://www.triangle-music.com)

Cheers,
D.

[Strat-O]

IMO the real measure of what kind of player you are is that you recognize a dead night and a beat-arse crowd when you see it and try to DO something about it. It would be just as easy to say screw it, mail it in, and play rote pentatonic solos from memory over I-IV-V progressions all night while keeping one eye on the TV hanging behind the bar.

Thank you for saying that. I wish more 'musicians' had that perspective. I feel like the Lone Ranger sometimes.

[RickyKing]

I just thought I'd offer my own little "Tone Quest Report".
I took delelivery of a Skip Simmonds DuKane PA amp last Tuesday.
(most likely like yours,Duke)
A real tonefull little mutha!
Covers a lot of bags and not too loud. I tried a Stratotone,Silvertone/Dano,Strat- all sucessfull!
A Keeper!

[rhartt1234]

It's "West Coast" "Blues" and "guitar" but not quite "West Coast Blues Guitar" and not someone you'd expect it from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clo6A2KxAh8

[valcotone]

Here's KBR playin' some fine guitar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6SVcJ65PY

[zappafrank]

Ryan---thanks for that vid!!!---talk about somethin' rare!--

I saw Clarke a few times, lucky for me---the best show was with the double guitar treat of Zach Zunis and Holmstrom---knocked me out, man---just a stellar give-a-110% show---NOBODY I've seen can top WC for harp/showman---I have a pic from that gig with his arm around me and those mafia hit-man shades of his, and I'm wearing an Anson Funderburgh and the Rockets t-shirt---must have been very late 80's or very early 90's---man, I miss Clarke---you could ALWAYS count on a great record/CD when he put one out, with good songwriting and killer performances and tones---not like some of our other 'harp heroes', whose releases can be a bit 'spotty at times, IMO---but that does'nt mean I don't buy everything those guys put out too!

BTW---a huge THANK YOU to all you West Coast thread guys that have, or are planning to, pick up that new Bott CD---it really means a lot to me---Thanks all! (PS---all monies go directly to Jimi---and that means he'll be able to put out future efforts!) THANK YOU AGAIN!

ac

[jetlag]

Wow, that was cool Ryan. Thanks. Threw me for a loop for a minute until I realized he was in open E. Afterall, you don't HAVE to play slide just 'cause you're in open tuning (note to self). That clip reminds me of how much I love William's voice.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Ryan - great vid of William Clarke!

Skilback - thanks for the pointer towards the KBR clip!

KBR - I like that stuff! Great playing, in the groove. Fab tone as well. P90 bridge p/u on a strat - cool idea. What amp, reverb etc did ya use? By the way, my favourite strap is identical to yours there - leopard spots. Wish I could find another!

[Echo Are]

Hello folks, I wanted to de-lurk here. I've been checking out The Gear Page for a while, and I finally registered. Cool thread y'all got going . I've actually had the honor of sharing stages at blues jams with a couple of the musicians who post here regularly(as well as a few West Coast based players mentioned herein). I've been playing guitar for 20 years; I've been cruisin' the San Francisco Bay Area blues jam scene for the last 5.

Again, cool thread. Hope y'all don't mind me listening in and posting.

[DonM]

I just wanted to pipe in about Stratotones from and electric standpoint... I'll leave the wood standpoints up to you guys..

I found 50k pots in the early ones with 3.5k pickups...

I'm not 100% sure but that (bright) 3.5k pup and that dark 50k pot may just be whats making those things jump-jive-and swing like a big jazz box?

winding a 42 gauge pup to only 3.5k saved money -- loading them onto 50k pots fattened them up..

Were getting ready to try a 100K pot in one of Juniors here soon..

Junior and others have been known to Run 500k pots in their Stratotones..

they get alot more volume... I was conserned that they would be so bright that they would spike.. but its not the case.. and that brings in the wood theroy ... and you guys here I'm sure know more on that end of it then anywhere else online...

Both Junior and Rick feel that sound you get from those is also due to the neck thru and the thickness ( Ball bat and a half) LOL.. and the wood..

My thing was to wire up a guitar with the same scale length using a 54 Alnico 5 Stratotone pup and 50k pots and test it out.. but I never got around to it..

has anyone here tried it?:rolleyes::cool:



I finally found my way in here... ( Don Mare' is who I B)
I told Junior about this place and that you gusy mention him often..... but I'm not sure if I'll ever get him to pipe in here.. I'll try hard!! soon..

on another note..
Rick Homstrom's gig was mind blowing Sat. Rick and Jeff Turmes.. they got a song called Desconso that dropped my jaw!.. I need to make more RH gigs... BTW.. no loops or samples.. this was amazing and very much pushing that 40's envelope without the 80's... I'm one of the ones that like the loopy stuff too so don't get me wrong..

The last song of the gig Rick throws me his tele mid song .. just before doing that he leans over and says just paly like your in F and the top string is a step lower... wowouch! ( the Tele was in D with the low E another step lower touching the floor! haha! ) dang thing sounded so cool.. he had the Bronson feeding the Super reverb 1x15" webber.. great fat daddy tone!

I'm going to go see Rick's gigs more often.. great music... really advanced stuff.. I was really impressed..

[dukeh62]

Hey Don!

Welcome! Rick has mentioned some fantastic things about your pickups! I can't wait to try them out myself!

[Dave Orban]

I just wanted to pipe in about Stratotones from and electric standpoint... I'll leave the wood standpoints up to you guys..

I found 50k pots in the early ones with 3.5k pickups...

I'm not 100% sure but that (bright) 3.5k pup and that dark 50k pot may just be whats making those things jump-jive-and swing like a big jazz box?

winding a 42 gauge pup to only 3.5k saved money -- loading them onto 50k pots fattened them up..

Were getting ready to try a 100K pot in one of Juniors here soon..

Junior and others have been known to Run 500k pots in their Stratotones..

they get alot more volume... I was conserned that they would be so bright that they would spike.. but its not the case.. and that brings in the wood theroy ... and you guys here I'm sure know more on that end of it then anywhere else online...

Both Junior and Rick feel that sound you get from those is also due to the neck thru and the thickness ( Ball bat and a half) LOL.. and the wood..

My thing was to wire up a guitar with the same scale length using a 54 Alnico 5 Stratotone pup and 50k pots and test it out.. but I never got around to it..

has anyone here tried it?:rolleyes::cool:



I finally found my way in here... ( Don Mare' is who I B)
I told Junior about this place and that you gusy mention him often..... but I'm not sure if I'll ever get him to pipe in here.. I'll try hard!! soon..

on another note..
Rick Homstrom's gig was mind blowing Sat. Rick and Jeff Turmes.. they got a song called Desconso that dropped my jaw!.. I need to make more RH gigs... BTW.. no loops or samples.. this was amazing and very much pushing that 40's envelope without the 80's... I'm one of the ones that like the loopy stuff too so don't get me wrong..

The last song of the gig Rick throws me his tele mid song .. just before doing that he leans over and says just paly like your in F and the top string is a step lower... wowouch! ( the Tele was in D with the low E another step lower touching the floor! haha! ) dang thing sounded so cool.. he had the Bronson feeding the Super reverb 1x15" webber.. great fat daddy tone!

I'm going to go see Rick's gigs more often.. great music... really advanced stuff.. I was really impressed..Welcome, Don...

I have a set of your pickups that I'm just waiting to drop into my parts Tele. Review to come, just as soon as I get it done!

[KBR]

Skilback - thanks for the pointer towards the KBR clip!

KBR - I like that stuff! Great playing, in the groove. Fab tone as well. P90 bridge p/u on a strat - cool idea. What amp, reverb etc did ya use? By the way, my favourite strap is identical to yours there - leopard spots. Wish I could find another!

Thanks, Sean,
I used a Homemade 6 lb Strat with Lollar P90 in bridge, Van Zandt Fullertone in neck, an Allen 62 Vibrolux Head called 5FV-2, 35 watts, a RI Verb tank, and P12N/P12Q combo open back.
I have a nother more West Coast 50's BB styled clip up[ soon, a Different axe, too.
This is from a Jam I host, so the Volume ain't like usual.

Kenny Blue Ray

[jetlag]

Lookin' forward to the next clip Kenny. Nice stuff. Dontcha love that BB lick - slurring the minor third down a half step (on the G string)? I remember how stoked I was when I first "discovered" that!

Sure is nice having someone like Don M hanging around here to keep us up on pickups and the like. Thanks for dropping in Don.

So has anyone tried a hershey in the front spot of a tele yet?

[mikelaw]

anyone familiar with the silvertone twin 12 head only--26l6 model? came with a 2-12 cab? anyone know general wattage on this head?

[DonM]

Thanks!
[Hi Kenny BR too!]
Well I'm more of a gear head & player then a " Pickup winder"
I just got lucky here and nicely blessed... and I may have broke down some walls..?
But I'm here as a Gear Head and not a factory rep at all.. I can't get used to this Pickup Maker title... ya got to be careful what ya wish and pray for I guess..
well..... I'm still me.. the player and the gear head..

theres really lots of great pickups on the market.. ya never know what just may be the perfect one for you..
here at home with my pals and myself... we don't always use just the ones I make..

I play both my own and my Duncans,,, the SD's I use when I want to play with the gain way up.. mine I use when i want retro 50's... I wish I could get both on one guitar but taking two guitars at a gigs aint bad..

Rick Holmstrom has the nancy oc duff neck still in his tele.. and my 2324 bridge -- that neck suits ricks rig and style really well... no way would i want him to change it..

I put a lollar Alni-3 /7.4k in my best friends neck.. it sounds great..

while working at Lace Sensors those 6 years I quickly noticed "Neck Pups" are no where near a fussy as the bridge... the bridge is a hard animal to find a great one.. thats really why i got a winder and went about winding..

I never wanted to start a pickup business... my heart was set on touring and my new Cd as Buck Cannon.. but the label went Pooff and it was gone.. next thing I know the word was spreading about my Tele Bridges I was making for a few friends.. so I put up the web page..

I'm still not sure if being glued in front of a winding machine with one eye closed and holding perfectily still like a medatator all day and night long is really for me... OR ANYONE!

I wanted to get on that Road and play..

anyways thanks for mentioning my pickups.. but I just want to play with ya all.. talk Gear and music.. and try not to Rep. my puppys..

cheers
DM

[DonM]

about the Hershey's? is that the Chrome two rivit 50's Stratotones nick name?

I did put one in the neck of a Strat on 250K pots... It was on a one pickup Strat ( Mike Eldreds "Big Blue Era" White Strat that I owned)
I took it to Junior to play at a club here in Long Beach,... but it really just sounded like a Strat..

Next time around I used 4k TV Jones Classic Filtertrons and 50k pots on a Tele... This was a hit with the Local West Coast swing players here... but the long scale did not really sound like a Stratotone..

I have a short Scale neck I may try..

Since the filtertron's are 4k and bright and single coil sounding they do take well to the 50k pot trick,, a 100k pot may be perfect and in a hollow body..

well take a hollow body gretsch with trons and stick it on 50k--or--100k pots and you may just make a swingin' monster????

cheers
me

[valcotone]

hi Don,

Welcome to the WCB thread! Do you have any thoughts on the impacts of the construction of the 3.5 Stratotone pickups (nickname: hershey) to the tone they produce?

About hersheys in a Tele: I have a Strat pickguard with 2 50's hersheys and 250K pots and a push/pull switch for phase switching. Sounds killer! Fatter than a regular Strat with more low end and a more diffused sound... not as clear or bright as a regular Strat. In this configuration, I think the tone is just about 50/50 Stratocaster/Stratotone. This is just my experience with this experiment and what my ears heard at the time. I need to put that guard back onto my experiment-o-strat.

BTW, I think the H44 Stratotone has a scale longer than you would expect... check it out. It's not a short-scale guitar.

[TwoFeets]

BTW, I think the H44 Stratotone has a scale longer than you would expect... check it out. It's not a short-scale guitar.

I harped here about how I had a hard time playing Nick Adams's H44 and I thought it was probably due to the shorter scale. Mike Law tossed me an email saying "uh, dude, they're 25.5" Open mouth, insert foot I guess!

The huge baseball bat sized neck coupled with the small body makes the guitar feel a lot smaller than it really is, I guess.

[zappafrank]

DonM---!
Welcome and I'm glad you came around here and joined up---I think we talked about TGP while you and I were chatting (frequently!) about building my tele from various parts, your pickups and which ones to get, and ALL that stuff---
The tele is built, and those custom pups are a total hit---you really 'designed' them to fit what my needs were and I can't imagine anything else working quite so perfectly---that tele is getting lots of play...thanks again----now, for some Watson' winds in the Pee Wee strat soon---

Sadly, I know nothing about stratotones and therefore can contribute nothing to your queries at the moment...

Thanks for the review of a Holmstrom gig these days---hope he gets up my way--

KBR---great playing, my friend---

jetlag---thanks so much for the nice comment on my playing/tremolo sound a page or so ago---you're too kind---

Dave O.---you will really dig those pups when you get that tele together, I promise!

ac

[mikelaw]

i measured my h44 and it was something strange like i said i think 25.5 but maybe i was mistaken???? who knows? alls i know is it intonates fine and i double side taped the bridge to the body so the bridge doesnt flap around when i lay into it.

ill remeasure tonight. :)

[jetlag]

+1 on 25" scale on a H44 (I think). IF so, I believe it's the same scale as their H62 and one reason why I like them both. I think 25" is a great in between that isn't as stiff and twangy as a fender, but holds the low end together better than the slightly shorter gibson scale.

[dukeh62]

+1 on 25" scale on a H44 (I think). IF so, I believe it's the same scale as their H62 and one reason why I like them both. I think 25" is a great in between that isn't as stiff and twangy as a fender, but holds the low end together better than the slightly shorter gibson scale.

Hey, maybe we should all switch to PRS's!!!! Don't they all have 25" scales?:dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude

[mikelaw]

usually the case jankety but mine was a bit off and somehow still intonates. although my band members would disagree on that, i am sure of it! :) lol

[Echo Are]

mikelaw, that would be the famed Sears Silvertone model 1484 Twin Twelve. It powered many a '60s garage band(I believe they were $180.00 brand new in the mid-sixties). 35 watts output. The head is hardwired to the cabinet, the speaker wire being like an umbilical cord. The cab has a space in the bottom for stashing the head.

The amp is 2 channels, with reverb & tremolo. The reverb is infamously cheesy-sounding. All it is is a single spring attached to the chassis. There's no seperate tank. The circuit overall is not as complex as those of comparable Fender amps. Stiil, it's a cool-sounding amp. The speaker(and I think the head) cabs are made out of a pressed-cardboard concoction, so the 1484 is not amp to let rattle around in the back of a van.

Also, check out the next model down from the 1484, the 1483. Same thing, but no reverb or tremolo, 23 watts into 8 ohms( 2 6L6s), and 1 X 15" cabinet(speaker by Jensen , like those in the 1484). Funny thing: the 1483 was marketed as a bass amp, lower ouput and all. One 1483 I tried had the speaker cord umbilical replaced with a jack on the head.

[Poppa Stoppa]

Just wanted to say it's great to see new members posting to this thread - Echo Are, Autopilot Slim, DonM, ctrblues - lessee some more posts! DonM that's good stuff about pickups, Holmstrom and all.

[rjkohrs]

Well, I suppose it's time I step out of the shadows and introduce myself
to the group. I'm new to this thread, but not to the music and musicians that are frequently mentioned here. I have a small herd of guitars and amps. Kinda like the T-Birds' lyric, "one's too many and a hundred ain't enough". You folks are knowledgeable and a great bunch to boot!! Ok, back to semi-lurk mode.......
Randy

[mikelaw]

randy you are more then welcome to the page especially being your first post quoted the birds baby!!!!!!!! wooohooo!

[KBR]

Here's another one I did at the Jam,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=56JuT8w-FEs

KBR

[valcotone]

+1 on 25" scale on a H44 (I think). IF so, I believe it's the same scale as their H62 and one reason why I like them both. I think 25" is a great in between that isn't as stiff and twangy as a fender, but holds the low end together better than the slightly shorter gibson scale.


+1 - I measured mine last night... 25" on the nose (using the same technique Jankety mentioned). Works for me!

[valcotone]

mikelaw, that would be the famed Sears Silvertone model 1484 Twin Twelve. It powered many a '60s garage band(I believe they were $180.00 brand new in the mid-sixties). 35 watts output. The head is hardwired to the cabinet, the speaker wire being like an umbilical cord. The cab has a space in the bottom for stashing the head.



I was watching part of the Howling Wolf doc DVD this morning and in one segment from the mid 60's there's what I think is a 1484 sitting behind Wolf. This DVD has some nice parts to it but I'm only half-way through. There is precious little video footage of most of the blues greats so I'm happy to see any little bits that are available.

[valcotone]

Hey, maybe we should all switch to PRS's!!!! Don't they all have 25" scales?:dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude

Yeah, and Randall solid-state heads with 4x12 stacks!!! RAWK ON!!! :AOK

[Scott Miller]

I don't like blues festivals very much, but the SF one looks hard to resist:

Anthony Paule and the Tone Kings

Mz. Dee Rochon

Phil Guy

Chicago Harmonica Project, featuring Larry Cox, Omar Coleman, Big D, Russ Green, and the Chicago Bluesmasters

Jimbo Mathus' Knockdown South

(ahem....)
Hollywood Blue Flames, with Al Blake, Fred Kaplan, Larry Taylor, Richard Innes, and Rick Holmstrom, with special guests Mitch Kashmar and Jr. Watson
(Crikey!)

Ruth Brown

Little Richard

[ReddRanger]

Good morning everyone. Hope you all don't mind me posting here. I'm a long time blues fan and I live on the west coast....so hopefully that qualifies.....

KBR, cool videos with great playing and tone, as always. Looking foward to the next jam night.

[mikelaw]

jimbo mathus rocks so hard! i love all of his stuff.

i saw the silvertone twin 12 on that wolf dvd too. let me tell you, if you have never played a silvertone head/cab 2 6l6 or 4 6l6 model or even the 1-15 model head/cab you dont know what youre missing. the 2-12's arent always to everyones liking but i put my head through a 4-10 cab and it just sounds amazing..... almost that watson sound i swear!!!!!!

anyone in the northeast ever feel free to swing by and play mine. or come to one of my jams, ill start bringing it out. total bada$$ amps they were and for not too much money.

from what i recall gonyea used to play one with wilson way back too??

[mikelaw]

what are the best humbuckers and/or best paf style humbuckers out there. looks like i got myself a 335 style guitar i want to pop good pu's into!....lemme know bros.

[zappafrank]

what are the best humbuckers and/or best paf style humbuckers out there. looks like i got myself a 335 style guitar i want to pop good pu's into!....lemme know bros.

I really like the Voodoo 59's---from Peter Florance---lotsa clarity---ask KBR about 'em---

see you guys in 2 or 3 days, y'all--:)

ac

[Poppa Stoppa]

Redd Ranger, welcome!

335 pickups - keep the ideas coming, I have one myself, a '58 reissue, but the stock pickups seem to let it down, especially the bridge p/u which is shrill.

I mentioned on the old Version 1.0 thread about a great gig I saw by 'Son of Dave', a harp player who does a one man band thing with a sampler pedal. At long last a couple of video clips have come up on YouTube to give you an idea of what he does:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eg93_1MfCxw&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X1-RJ8f6ESc

[jetlag]

Humbucker/PAF options abound. You can go over to the Les Paul Forum and read for weeks. Those guys are serious about their PAFs over there! Another option is to get a set of humbucker sized single coils that are very P90-ish. That's what's in my backup les paul which is a tokai 80's burst copy, phase flip pot, etc. It makes the guitar real versatile.

Back to pickups, here's a list of some of the popluar PAFs :

Lollar Imperial
Duncan Antiquities
Voodoo (Peter Florance, '58, '59 or '60 model)
Jim Rolphs ("pretenders" in the same years above)
Timbuckers (Tim White, can be found on LPF, awsome PAFs, what I own, looonnnnnnnggggg wait time, look on classifieds and ebay, near unobtanium, very P90 like)
Tom Holmes (around $450 a set)
RS Guitars Fralin PAFs
Dave Stephens is making PAFs now and his pups are great
Zhangliqun (another lone wolf on the LPF, his stuff looks great and is really reasonable, I like his ideas. Link:
http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=116609 (http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=116609)
WCR (makes a ton of models, big with the Dicky and Duane crowd)

I could make a list like above on bucker-sized P90's if anyone is interested. Good luck on the pickup decision, there are way too many choices nowadays.

[Autopilot Slim]

I've got a set of SD Antiquities in my Heritage 335 copy that I'm happy with. I also hear the Seth Lovers are good too.

[valcotone]

OK, I'm in love with Lollar P90s again... a couple nights ago I installed a fresh set I bought from KBR into my Edwards P90 Gold Top... I was recording some stuff and here's a quick noodling sample of the neck+bridge pickup setting:

http://www.kilback.net/tunes/EdwardsGT_LollarP90-neck.mp3

Holy mamma do I love this tone!!

Eric, you were right!!!

[edit - this was neck/bridge not neck-only]

[Poppa Stoppa]

I've got a set of SD Antiquities in my Heritage 335 copy that I'm happy with. I also hear the Seth Lovers are good too.But you're the guy that made my 335 sound GREAT!

[ReddRanger]

Skilback, that's some serious tone. I like that a lot! Can you put up a sample of the bridge? KBR frequently puts P90's (Lollars I believe) in his Strats with killer results. I've been contemplating doing the same....

[KBR]

I like Tom Holmes HBers, they nail PAFS, but cost $580 a set.
I found Voodoo 59's second best and they run closer to $280 a set.
Since I only do Music for a living, mostly since 1969.
I use Voodoo's.
Lollar P90's I use, they are special, eh?
Van Zandt Tele bridge pups and since I sell em (As does George) VZ Strat pups.
I have a new You tube, I hope some of you Cats chek out.
Just a Jam, but it was fun.

[rhartt1234]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/rhartt1234/RyansGuitars.jpg

I think Jankety and Skilback a couple others have done it in the past so I was inspired this morning and lined 'em up
back row:
Epiphone Les Paul II
I inherited it from a buddy who was transient for a while. I never play it it's very neck heavy
Stella Harmony Acoustic
with custom 1/4 round pine bridge from my brother's basement
Rok Axe Tele copy
That's right, ROK AXE. I sanded the name off a long time ago. Bought it from a pawn shop with a Harmony H-400 amp for $100. I took it to a tech for a set up whenI first bought and he said it was one of the better low end Tele copies he's seen. It's a genuine piece of crap. This is the one I let the kids play with.
Danelectro U2 Reissue
Bought from Guitar Center when I worked at Sam Ash. I had the guitar manager print up a REEDICKULUS qoute and true to their policy Guitar Center matched the price

front row:
Epiphone Broadway
w/ Fralin P-90s and push/pull for out of phase
Jimmie Vaughan Strat
early 60s Kay archtop
My mom bought it for me when I made Dean's List for the first time in college.

I would have done amps too but I have one at the shop right now. Even though it's just a K-Zoo II I didn't want to half ass it with one amp missing. I'll get to it soon.

[HappyValley]

what are the best humbuckers and/or best paf style humbuckers out there. looks like i got myself a 335 style guitar i want to pop good pu's into!....lemme know bros.

A couple of years back I bought a pair of Harmonic Design Classic HB'ers that I put in my '335 RI after seeing a ton of A+ reviews in different mags like VG, etc; They sound pretty damn good. I installed them w/ the polepieces facing inward ala Fats which took off the edgy highs and extreme lows and made it a lot more midrangey & useable. Haven't checked out the Florence Voodoos, though. I'm not a HB guy by any means, just didn't like the stock Gibsons.

[Dave Orban]

Humbuckers...? Tom Holmes. Not cheap, but quite good, IMO...

[Short Bus]

Last time I posted I was whining and sniveling about the lack of gigs in the Tampa area, etc. Sorry about that. After giving myself a timeout, I'm back.

KBR - Love the videos! Great stuff! I downloaded "In All My Life" from eMusic recently. Great stuff. I wanted to ask though about your experiences with eMusic from an artist standpoint. I love it from the standpoint of there's a lot of older stuff available, i.e., Ronnie Earl, Anson, a lot of the Blacktop records catalog, etc. But is it working out for you as an artist?

I just got the Mitch Kashmar, Hollywood Blue Flames and Spotlight on Lucille on CD. To those that recommended them THANKS!!! The live Fats stuff is stunning! Spotlight on Lucille just blows my mind!!

I can't remember now who mentioned they saw the Mannish Boys in Long Beach over the weekend. They talked about Kid's tone. I love his tone because it's huge, no matter what he's equipment he's playing through. It reminds of SRV's tone. Not that the 2 are alike necessarily, but they stand out in a crowd. When Kid cuts loose, you know he's playing! I saw him with the TBirds around the time of the Live CD/DVD in Orlando. He was playing a strat through a Vox. I couldn't if it was an AC30 or not. But that tone just reached knocked you in the face. Just awesome!

Enough ramblin' for now.

[KBR]

Thanks, Short Bus.
I (like most Pro's, get Nothing from E Music), in fact, I never heard of em.
Now, if you bought the cd from me, I sign em, and it helps me to survive.

Kid gets a Heck of a Tone from intensity, like the strong players.
I have a Video of Fats, w James Harman, Kid, Willie J, and Steve, just smokin. Fats does most of the solo's. Kid Ramos has come a long ways!
He is a friend and a great player.

[mikelaw]

cool photo ryan! everyone is so nice to acknowledge your photo hu? :) f-ers.

i just got to watching that bill clarke acoustic thing....man how amazing. what a talent he was. the realdeal in all aspects. such an awesome clip.

[mikelaw]

vidar busk! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5znf27as34&mode=related&search=

[rjkohrs]

I saw the Mannish Boys at the tail end of July. Kid was playing a custom shop Stratocaster thru 2 AC-30s. KBR is right on the money about the intensity of Kid's playing! Some nice photos to share, if I can figure out the off site photo hosting thing.
It was seeing Hollywood Fats with the Blasters, then Harman and company a few months later (mid 80's), that pretty much got me to start checking out what the cats on the left coast were doing.....
Kinda cool to see my good buddy (and neighbor) Peter Florance mentioned here. He likes to mess around with amps also, "always looking for that tone!"

[aja]

Nice couch Ryan !! The guitars are nice too lol. JLV's are cool guitars.

[valcotone]

Here's some tasty playing by DukeR and Chris Flory (who I need to look into):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyBQ-IdHBe8&mode=user&search=

[dukeh62]

A buddy of mine has Chris Flory's cd. He does a couple of Bill jennings tunes on the CD. Just be warned it's all Jazz and not blues.

I've got two of Chris Flory's discs...they're great. One is an organ trio. He does some killer work on Duke's "Swing" record too.

[mikelaw]

i crack myself up. I posted this on Holmstroms myspace page.

' hey rick! miss ya bro! Im selling my H44 soon if youre interested??? Only $1, 000 and it can be yours! :) LOL '

[Scott Miller]

Thanks to whoever mentioned "Meat and Gravy from Bea and Baby." Hot stuff. There's some blistering guitar from Lacey Gibson, who also recorded some blues with Sun Ra. What a world.

[btg]

Ryan -

What kind of P90's are in that Broadway. Did you have you use special covers to cover up te humbucker holes. I have been thinking of doing that.

[KBR]

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KBR on you tube
I play slow but y'all might enjoy these 2 clips from a Jam I run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56JuT8w-FEs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6SVcJ65PY

KBR

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[jetlag]

I've been meaning to ask this question, and KBR, I think you're the man who would know. How much does the hardware and neck weigh for a strat (trem model) and for a tele? What I'm getting at is if I want a strat or tele that weighs 7.25 lb +/-, then what weight body should I buy? KBR, anyone?

[Short Bus]

Thanks, Short Bus.
I (like most Pro's, get Nothing from E Music), in fact, I never heard of em.
Now, if you bought the cd from me, I sign em, and it helps me to survive.

That's what I was afraid of. I pay $19.99 a month for 90 songs. I just don't see how any of that ends up in the artists' pocket. Rest assured that I'll buy the rest from you. Signature or not. It's your music. You should get the money.

http://www.emusic.com/artist/10566/10566166.html

This is the page with your stuff. They get the bio from allmusic.com

[Short Bus]

vidar busk! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5znf27as34&mode=related&search=

OMG!!!! That was amazing! He's just so fluid through that. Wow. And I love that strat! lol

[monstermike]

Does Pacific Northwest count for this thread?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1e_hOZe7mqU

[KBR]

Depends on Neck Manufacturer, Warmoth Double truss rod, single? USACG?

for 7 1/4 lb Strat get a body that is about 4lbs or 3 3/4.
Trems weigh alot.
I like Hard Tail Strats and have 4, but they are all 5 1/2-6.2lbs Total weight.

[KBR]

That's what I was afraid of. I pay $19.99 a month for 90 songs. I just don't see how any of that ends up in the artists' pocket. Rest assured that I'll buy the rest from you. Signature or not. It's your music. You should get the money.

http://www.emusic.com/artist/10566/10566166.html

This is the page with your stuff. They get the bio from allmusic.com

Those Dogs, I get zip from them.
Hey & I am now on about 47 records, they used some of my tracks for JSP records, make that (Just Screw People records!)
KBR

[Crocodile Andre]

Hey & I am now on about 47 records, they used some of my tracks for JSP records, make that (Just Screw People records!)
KBR

Thats on of the nicer things that has been said about John Stedman and his label.

I've bought cd's directly from Kenny and the service and assistance is just as good as the quality of the music on the cd's.

I've said it before - go out and support a great musician so that he can create some new cd's for me to buy. ALL of his cd's are recommended... and he's part of this little community.

[monstermike]

I bet Stedman's getting paid for that, Kenny...

Those video clips sound excellent, by the way.

[rhartt1234]

Ryan -

What kind of P90's are in that Broadway. Did you have you use special covers to cover up te humbucker holes. I have been thinking of doing that.

They are Fralins. The spacers cover up the humbecker holes. I believe the spacers came from an Epi 295.
Probably 10-11 years ago I saw a guy at a blues jam with an Epi Emperor Regent with P-90s in it. They were relatively new back then and he had taken off the floating pickup and had a clean archtop to plant new pickups on. "Brilliant!" I thought. I don't have the $$$ nor the guitar talent to justify a ES-5 or H-62. (I'm a harmonica player after all) Here was a cool archtop for under $1000. I kept the idea in the back of my head for years. Years later I meet the same fellow we became friends. He loves to tinker with amps and guitars. He put the pickups in for $20.

[HappyValley]

Does Pacific Northwest count for this thread?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1e_hOZe7mqU

Hi Mike!! YOU BET IT 'COUNTS' !!! Rememeber on the Tremblant gig we did I was floored by that Crossroads/Killing Floor vid w/Cray & Hubert? We both agreed he should do an all-Wolf album.....
Cray is ,to me ,one of the most important musicians of our time for a number of reasons:
1) He is 'himself' at all times, combining innovation with tradition while maintaining a personal, instantly recognizable sound & style.
2) He is one of THE LAST great, authentic blues & deep soul singers alive.
3) His music reaches a ton of folks via his past hits and ,maybe less so, his current danceable/catchy-pop stuff, but he always tosses in a blues steamer & deep R&B tune or 2 to give those who don't 'know' a heads up, thusly maintaining the foundation of what we all love, music with FEELING......IMHO.
Great seeing you post Mike.....hope you've been well.

[mikelaw]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x2nXtHULx8I

[jimfog]

That's what I was afraid of. I pay $19.99 a month for 90 songs. I just don't see how any of that ends up in the artists' pocket. Rest assured that I'll buy the rest from you. Signature or not. It's your music. You should get the money.

Just because KBR is getting screwed by JSP, via eMusic, don't get down on them.

I know a bunch of guys (myself included) who are making some $$$ from eMusic (and iTunes). They're pretty good at tracking and paying what they owe.

...AND it's a great resource for all those out-of-print and rare recordings that it would never pay a label to print......

.....you know, like most of the blues we dig.

-Jim

[S.W.Erdnase]

Does Pacific Northwest count for this thread?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1e_hOZe7mqU

My favourite living guitarist and vocalist. Thanks for the clip.

I saw Cray support Clapton in Stockholm late July. Cray was fantastic - the highlight of the evening. He later came on stage and did the fills and solo for "Wonderful Tonight". He was on stage with Clapton, Trucks and Bramhall and was by far and away the tastiest player. Of course, others' mileage may vary...

[aja]

I'm a huge fan of Bad Influence by Robert Cray. I like his guitar sound too.
Its really clear and clean.

[mikelaw]

Id rather watch Nick Adams / Monster Mike / Alec James / Eric Ducoff play then go to a Cray show. OK, maybe not Monster Mike....but the other guys YEA!

Just not a huge fan. There is alot of soul there though.

[S.W.Erdnase]

As I said, YMMV.

For me, Cray is a cat with his own signature sound, plus great lyrics and great vox. I was in Stockholm for a conference and never would have gone to the Clapton concert if it wasn't that I saw Cray was the support.

Besides, isn't he out of San Francisco now? Therefore definitely a West Coaster...

[Esquire]

Cray is ,to me ,one of the most important musicians of our time for a number of reasons:
1) He is 'himself' at all times, combining innovation with tradition while maintaining a personal, instantly recognizable sound & style.
2) He is one of THE LAST great, authentic blues & deep soul singers alive.
3) His music reaches a ton of folks via his past hits and ,maybe less so, his current danceable/catchy-pop stuff, but he always tosses in a blues steamer & deep R&B tune or 2 to give those who don't 'know' a heads up, thusly maintaining the foundation of what we all love, music with FEELING......IMHO.

Backalley,

I have to agreed with you on a number of the points you made about Robert Cray. He's simply a great singer, songwriter, player and performer. I saw him earlier in the year and couldn't express what a good show it was. Definately one of the best live music performances I've ever experienced.

[monstermike]

Just not a huge (Cray) fan.

we only watched about 2 dylan tunes then left.

No offense or anything, but I neither understand nor particularly like you right about now. It's alright...you'll learn...

[nmontz]

The first blues concert I saw at the age of 15 was Robert Cray during around the time of "I was Warned"....It probably was from "Shame and a Sin" tour. Knocked my socks off.... the next thing I did after that was save the money to buy a stratocaster. Took me two summers of work. I've met him on a few ocassions after shows and he seemed real cool and down to earth.

I'll buy anything he puts out. I'm not to sure I like his newer political message songs. But Hey it's his right to put out whatever he wants. I though him doing "time will tell" on the crossroads thing was the best thing on there. I think there was a time early on he was clapton's rhythm guitarist? If I remember right "Old love" off his unplugged cd is a Robert Cray song. Also and how cool is this....I heard this story once I'm not sure it's true. Growing up he lived in Portland or Seattle I can't remember.....and in HS he and his friends got Albert Collins to play for their prom. I can't even imagine the Iceman playing for my prom...we had a crappy crappy dj. I would have been in shock and I don't think the girls in my class would have had enough "experience" to dance to it right. ;-) Anyway he is one of the best guitarists I've ever seen, especially his rhythm work, probably the reason I picked up the guitar...the man has soul. I sure wish I could sing like that...I wouldn't even care if I could play the guitar or not!

I would play Bob's stuff in college....my friends would comment how his songs all had low down theme's. They were like..." Man after that song...even I'm depressed!" LOL! They weren't blues fans though...and still liked it.

And yes...you can always tell it's Robert Cray by that tone and playing no matter what it's on. He has his own distinct sound.

[S.W.Erdnase]

I'll buy anything he puts out.

Me too.

Regarding his political leanings; that's what freedom of expression is all about. No matter whether you agree or not, you have to admit that "20" shows a valid perspective on the current situation. In fact, several; the mother, the soldier himself, etc, etc. It's just one artist's view, and blues has never ducked out of making interesting social and political comments...

[mikelaw]

i love you and understand you Mike! OK, honestly I would rather watch you then Cray... I was joking before about not wanting to watch you.

Ill be watching you Sunday in RI, PUNK!!!!!

[aja]

Hes playing in New England in October. I'm definetely gonna go see him.

[ReddRanger]

Years ago I saw Cray on a B.B. King tour that also featured Jimmie Vaughan. I was sitting about 15 rows from the front at Shoreline in Mtn View. Cray's voice was so soulful, it just filled the whole place. His guitar playing was so clean, but full of tone. I walked away after that show very impressed by his set. Jimmie was super cool too.

[valcotone]

guys - I know there have been a few discussions about Teles - well tomorrow I'm going to pick up my newly finished blonde Tele body and maple/rosewood neck from the finisher. Hopefully I'll have it assembled and can post some pics early next week. I have high-hopes for this one! Stay tuned...

:AOK

[monstermike]

I think there was a time early on he was clapton's rhythm guitarist? If I remember right "Old love" off his unplugged cd is a Robert Cray song.

Cray was never Clapton's rhythm guitarist, but he did cowrite "Old Love" with Clapton and play on the original version on "Journeyman" (possibly my favorite Eric solo record, but I digress...) Cray was a huge influence on Clapton for a while, though (as per E.C.'s interviews of the time)- I believe Clapton fell in love with Cray's "Bad Influence" LP when it came out, and promptly covered the title track on a record both he and I would probably rather forget sometime in the Phil Collins era.

Mike - maybe I'll be over it by Sunday. Just maybe.

Nick Freakin' Adams - Wish I had more gigs where I was (a) the bandleader, (b) in this country hiring my own musicians, and (c) could afford a four piece! Those gigs we did were pretty inspiring.

[Dave Orban]

guys - I know there have been a few discussions about Teles - well tomorrow I'm going to pick up my newly finished blonde Tele body and maple/rosewood neck from the finisher. Hopefully I'll have it assembled and can post some pics early next week. I have high-hopes for this one! Stay tuned...

:AOKPictures...!

[aja]

I always thought I heard Bad Influence somewhere else before.

[dddelta]

[quote=nmontz] I think there was a time early on he was clapton's rhythm guitarist?[quote]

I think that might have been on one of Eric's 450+!! nights at the Royal Albert hall that he does every year.
I have cassettes - remember them?! - somewhere where Eric is doing some Blues standards and then he brings out Buddy Guy who sounds ok, then Cray comes out and for me, blows the whole show wide apart with his tone and phrasing. This was probably mid 90's. You could really hear the Blues pouring out from him compared to Eric.

[jetlag]

Well since Cray is getting such a ride here:

I remember opening for him back when I was in college. Must have been '87 or '88 - back when his band was still just four piece, with Richard Cousins on bass. This was maybe a 400 seat club. Big for a club, small for a venue. What I remember about it was that:

(1) Cray is huge. I'm about 6'-1" and I had to cock my head way back to look him in the eye when I shook his hand: "nice to meet you Mr Cray"
(2) that band was BAD ASS and tight as hell. They just tore the roof off the place. Really heavy and powerful blues with a lot of punch. At one point, Cray broke a string and restrung right there onstage - the keyboard player just took an extended solo and they continued on w/o any dropoff.

RC is one of those guys that just makes you shake your head. To sing like OV Wright and to play guitar like that. Those guys are rare.

[valcotone]

I think that might have been on one of Eric's 450+!! nights at the Royal Albert hall that he does every year.
I have cassettes - remember them?! - somewhere where Eric is doing some Blues standards and then he brings out Buddy Guy who sounds ok, then Cray comes out and for me, blows the whole show wide apart with his tone and phrasing. This was probably mid 90's. You could really hear the Blues pouring out from him compared to Eric.


At your service! :rotflmao

Robert Cray w/ Clapton, et. al
Royal Albert Hall
Feb 25, 1991
Reconsider Baby (http://www.kilback.net/tunes/Cray-Clapton-RAH-25feb91-ReconsiderBaby.mp3) <-- click to listen (10MB MP3... hey it's a 10min song)

[Dave Orban]

At your service! :rotflmao

Robert Cray w/ Clapton, et. al
Royal Albert Hall
Feb 25, 1991
Reconsider Baby (http://www.kilback.net/tunes/Cray-Clapton-RAH-25feb91-ReconsiderBaby.mp3) <-- click to listen (10MB MP3... hey it's a 10min song)Grazie!

[valcotone]

Grazie!

Prego!!

[Poppa Stoppa]

MMW I loved that clip of R Cray. 'And hope your neighbours like kids!' - Thanks Elmo'!

Alright - R Cray covering 'Don't Touch Me Baby' - what a fantastic record. In my first real blues band, we did that tune, just nicked it all from Robert Cray. He said he used some sort of a solid state Yamaha amp, what a tone!

Skilback - where DO you get these recordings from? Thanks so much. man. The playing on that is stellar, especially RC's solo. EC started me off, I have a soft spot for him, I can't help it, it's just in my soul.

Ryan Hartt - your guitars are great. I think you have started a trend for those pictures. Stand By For More, and I'm looking forward to seeing those AMPS.

M. Law esq, you hit the spot with Kim Wilson doing Tiger Man. Junior was ON that night, tone happenin'. Ever hear Elvis Presley's Tiger Man?

Yes, it's Friday evening, I have celebrated the end of the week in the usual fashion. The world is a beautiful place. Have a great weekend.

[monstermike]

I like Jimmie Vaughan's solo on that Cray clip! Playing it now as I'm typing.

EDIT #1: And then there's Clapton. And Cray singing more. I love it when these allstar jams actually turn into music for a change! And now Cray's playing. Simply the best spontaneously melodic player in the world.

[Echo Are]

He said he used some sort of a solid state Yamaha amp, what a tone!

Wow, that's kind of a proverbial kick-in-the-head. I wonder if it was one of those Yamaha combos(G50 112, G100?) with the funky simulated wood grille(same kind of simulated wood that graced the cabinets of practically every TV,stereo, & clock radio in the mid-late '70s), and the big barrel knobs that(again)looked more at home on a record player than a musical instrument amplifier.

[Short Bus]

Just because KBR is getting screwed by JSP, via eMusic, don't get down on them.

I know a bunch of guys (myself included) who are making some $$$ from eMusic (and iTunes). They're pretty good at tracking and paying what they owe.

...AND it's a great resource for all those out-of-print and rare recordings that it would never pay a label to print......

.....you know, like most of the blues we dig.

-Jim

That's good to here. I was really hoping that eMusic was as good for the artists as it is for the fans. I hate to hear KBR's story about eMusic, but I think that is just another example of the record company making sure they get theirs and not really looking out for their artists.

I've always thought that Napster, iTunes, eMusic, etc. was going to hurt the blue collar band more than anybody else. Guys like KBR and other here, who have to play 200 plus gigs a year and sell everything they can at the gigs already. Although with current technologies you can pretty much make a CD on your own and then distribute it much easier than years past, that puts more back onto your plate and takes more of your time.

I really like eMusic for the reasons you mention. I was able to get most of the Blacktop catalog, i.e., Anson, Ronnie Earl, etc. through them. As well as Roy Brown, Roy Milton, the Liggins brothers, etc.

Again, KBR I hate that you've had the experience you've had with eMusic.

[Short Bus]

Cray definitely has it going on. I think the album version of I Was Warned is one of those magical moments that we all crave. I get chills every time I listen to it.

And that tone of his just kills. It's so clean, yet as big as a house.

[KBR]

I wonder if y'all heard Cray with Curtis Salgado in the Late 70's and beyond, What a Band!

[HappyValley]

My wife, not a TGP'er or blues-a-holic,by any stretch-( but seriously has GREAT taste in music nonetheless), accompanied me to a Cray show last summer and was FLOORED. She even dug his physical attack on the guitar, which she knows a little about from watching me & others. I guess Cray is like an ambassador of sorts, introducing what he does to a "foreign" musical audience; not being so heavy that he alienates all but 'purists', but not being so light that he loses the blues base.

MMW - We'll do it again, man! Hope you & the fam' are GREAT....

Oh- Anyone want a real '63 Brown Fender reverb tank, 100% original? Thinking about moving mine.

[Short Bus]

I wonder if y'all heard Cray with Curtis Salgado in the Late 70's and beyond, What a Band!

I wish I had! Curtis has a great voice! Did I hear he's had some medical issues recently?

[KBR]

He has liver cancer, I got together some people for a benefit, (Steve Freund, Mark Hummell, RJ Mischo, My Band, Jackie Payne Steve Edmonson, Daniel Castro.
It all adds up, They had a Big one in Portland, Robert Cray & Steve Miller, raised alot, He needs alot more for transplant.

[Dave Orban]

IT's OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h271/64strat/jimibott2.jpg

I can't believe it---all you guys better pick this up, and support Mr. Jimi Bott and your brutha here!!

It's CHEAP, too----

http://cdbaby.com/cd/jimibott2

WOO HOO!!!

ac---who feels as close as he probably ever will to being a proud papa!Just got my copy, and loaded it into my iPod. Well worth the wait!!! AC's just ripping it up on James Harman's "My First Crime"!

Great tunes on there, bro!

[jetlag]

AC's just ripping it up on James Harman's "My First Crime"!

No kiddin'! I just listened to the clip again after reading your post and you're right Dave. AC's ripping that one up. Love the verb, tone and playing. The drummer ain't half bad either.

[mikelaw]

this was a fun night, josh barber from RI and preston hubbard on bass. Same old stuff but a great time had by all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOeHLIb4e0

[zappafrank]

My gosh---I'm gone 3 lousy days to the beach for a little R&R and this place gets all talky and s**t!!---:)

MMW---glad to see your insightful perspectives back here ---I think it's been awhile---
I'm originally from Eugene, live in Portland now, so Robert Cray and Curtis Salgado are pretty close to homegrown heroes around these parts---pretty dang legendary---I got to see Curtis WAY back at 2 college dives called Taylor's and Max's---at Max's with a band called In Yo' Face--w/ Lloyd Jones and Joel Foy---what a tiny club, and what an intro for me into the real deal stuff---just sweat drenched old blues and soul performed by some of the very best in their fairly early stages , honing their skills/chops whatever and just tearing your heart out---:dude

I was very fortunate to be there, although not quite old enough to have been hip to the earlier Cray/Salgado pairing---However, I DID buy Robert Cray's old SG that he used on that very first record w/ Cray on it when i was 17---my 1st 'Real' guitar---sigh---I bought it from his ex-manger--a guy named Buddy Akacich, for 150.00 ---and sold it 3-4 years later for 125.00...to pay rent---ahhh---the early Reagan era in Eugene, OR---such a fiscally fantastic time to be in your 20's there---NOT!!!---voted the 'best place to live' and the 'worst economic city' in the same year!!!---Anyway---that SG had seen the world by then, and really looked like it---had Robert's name carved into it in a couple of places, inlays all loose,---jeez--i miss that guitar---I ran into RC backstage once long ago (at a Roomful of Blues w/ Ronnie gig)---and told him the story, and HE seemed nostalgic for it too!---sorry if you guys have heard this old chestnut of a story from me before---someday I'll find a pic of me in HS playing it in Stage Band class---memories--almost 30 years ago!
Robert is an absolute treasure. Period. I don't care if it's 'West Coast', 'Chiicago' 'Soul', or 'Modern Blues'---he's one of the greats.---so, mikelaw take THAT!:NUTS (BTW...looks like a killer time in Rhode Island---fun stuff!!):)

Dave O. and jetlag---thank you so much for the compliment!!! Yeah, that tune is where I get to step up to the plate and swing for the fences on this CD---
The other 4 tunes, I was more concerned with trying to be the 'glue' and be as solid a team player as I could, as Jim Wallace's amp had blown up 2 measure's into Little Walter's 'Rocker'!!--That was really too bad, because it of course did not make it to the CD, and THAT is a ripping number for Jim's harp playing and Bott's drumming!---but, since Jim had to use whatever was there (a Reissue Ampeg!!) and the PA, we adjusted the rest of our set, and I just wanted to be as supportive musically as I could---I kinda like the solo on 'Kiss Me Or Cuss Me' as well---short, understated, but appropriate for the song---same w/ the Rockinitus riffs---just stay out of the way and let the rhythm happen--
I also like Slim's solo on Paul Delay's "Leave Me Alone" slow blues---some geat JLV-esque textures, IMO---and of course, the tribute to Tiny Grimes w/ Marco goin' crazy---those 2 guitar players are TRULY 'rippers' around these parts--
Thanks again, guys---next CD, we'll at least be aware we are recording for a possible CD!!!---we had NO idea this would be put out when we played that night!!

now, to comb back thru the past 4 pages:messedup

ac

[zappafrank]

Nick---check your PM---

ac

[HappyValley]

this was a fun night, josh barber from RI and preston hubbard on bass. Same old stuff but a great time had by all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOeHLIb4e0

Cool show, Mike!( You multi-instrument types piss me off!) Prez looks & sounds great! What's his regular gig these days anyway? Racky & I have a floating bass vacancy (all subs, all the time!): If he's lookin', we're here with gigs.....
Oh yeah- Stop F***ing w/ Mike Welch or I'll have to kick your Connecticut a*s, Boston style....:horse LOL LOL LOL!!! Yee-Hah!
Let's do this >:BEER soon, dude! Nick

P.S. Saw " Aristiocrats".....it was funny at 1st, after awhile it got tired, IMHO. (Carlin's delivery rocked, however!)Then rented GhostWorld and laughed my self silly - "BluesHammer"??!!! What a HOOT!!

[monstermike]

Forget everything you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vjRBzKcAYk

This is the most important YouTube video ever posted to this thread.

Enjoy. And weep at the beauty.

[Guitarzan]

Forget everything you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vjRBzKcAYk

This is the most important YouTube video ever posted to this thread.

Enjoy. And weep at the beauty.

Hell yeah. I watched that the other day, couldn't believe I'd never seen it. Killer. Whats it from? You see the Fenton clip too? Same show.

[monstermike]

Hell yes, I saw the Fenton! But seeing as how so many of the guitarists here make their living playing Myers/Lockwood/Tucker style behind donkey-pullers ("HEE-haw, HEE-haw"...) I thought the Aces video deserved a link.

By the way, I can't get over how cool the clips on CDbaby sound, Josh. Your playing is somewhere in between John Lee Hooker and Larry Carlton (nice tones that hover between sweet and "broken amp"), the grooves are great, and I love the character of your voice. I'll get around to ordering one soon.

AC - checked out that Harman tune. Nice, simple playing - that kind of simplicity demands that each note have a certain weight behind it (not to be confused with volume). You've got it.

[monstermike]

P.S. - It appears that "checker758" (the handle of the YouTube poster in question) is Scott Dirks, who co-wrote the Little Walter bio, has done tons of production and liner-note work. He also has some more from that show with the Aces and Fenton, as well as great Eddie Taylor, Johnny Shines, etc.

Thank god for YouTube. How long before it's shut down, do you think?

Law - you're even starting to look like Wilson...sounds good, though! Who's the guitar player? I don't think I know him. I couldn't see the drummer, either. Preston, I think I've heard of...

[Guitarzan]

Thanks Mike! Give me a call sometime, we can shoot the shit.

Did he say what that stuff was originally shot for? They need to get that out on DVD.

[zappafrank]

Dayum!!---that is the killer vid of the year---along w/ Ryan's link to Clarke w/ an acoustic---both are FANTASTIC!


wait a minute---is that mikelaw SINGING?---i thought he was playing guitar?? Now I'm confused---

josh (Guitarzan)---I just checked your CD too--I can't believe I had not clicked the link before!!---now I'm gonna get me one---great tones---!!

ac

[zappafrank]

AC - checked out that Harman tune. Nice, simple playing - that kind of simplicity demands that each note have a certain weight behind it (not to be confused with volume). You've got it.

MMW---if you are speaking not of my, er, um, 'physical stature' as far as having a certain weight behind it, and mean instead possibly, 'emotional intent/content' behind it, then I will take that as a compliment of the highest order---Thank You!--quite possibly the nicest thing anyone has said about my playing---including Charlie and Junior's comments---Thanks again, Mike--

ac

[zappafrank]

Guitarzan---CD now purchased---I'm sure I'll have to email you later re: tones, recording, and all---now, time to break out 'Empty Wallet' and the Bluetones w/ MMW CD---make it a west coast thread day on my way up to Washington for a gig---maybe some old R. Cray and some L. Myers, too--

ac

[Guitarzan]

Guitarzan---CD now purchased---I'm sure I'll have to email you later re: tones, recording, and all---now, time to break out 'Empty Wallet' and the Bluetones w/ MMW CD---make it a west coast thread day on my way up to Washington for a gig---maybe some old R. Cray and some L. Myers, too--

ac

Thanks man!! I really appreciate it.

[mikelaw]

im singing in the clip. josh barber from jamestown ri playing guitar. pinky on bass and i forget the drummer, hes from RI as well and used to play in austin with stevie and preston during the antones days...jack something i think. teacher in providence or something. ask josh. www.joshbarber.net (http://www.joshbarber.net)

unreal aces clip, i love them cats. with or without wells/walter. amazing stuff. wow.

nicky!, prez is in town he will do any gigs bro. but hes not in town much.... email him! i told him about you and racky www.prestonhubbard.com (http://www.prestonhubbard.com)

looking forward to seeing welch tomorrow! wish racky and you were on the gig nick. that would top it off!!!! we gotta do another vincents thing. any word on that george?

[GOLDENSTRAT]

just got home with the new Dylan cd/dvd. Can yall believe that the #1 cd has "Rollin' and Tumblin' " and "Someday Baby" on it????? There might be hope for the world after all. And good for Denny Freeman after all these years!!! fred

[HappyValley]

Forget everything you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vjRBzKcAYk

This is the most important YouTube video ever posted to this thread.

Enjoy. And weep at the beauty.

Amen.

[HappyValley]

Damn! Check out how he's playing harmonica.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-NqSesZCQ

Check this out too. Eddie Taylor at home playing solo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaU8ELU8G_k

DOUBLE AMEN!! Dude......"why you want to hurt me so bad....." ?!!
Have Mercy is all......wheew. This thread needs the Atkins thang 'cause it just got HEAVY.
About time we got past tubes -n- speakrs-n-caps et al....

[zappafrank]

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KBR on you tube
I play slow but y'all might enjoy these 2 clips from a Jam I run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56JuT8w-FEs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6SVcJ65PY

KBR

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http://home.earthlink.net/~blueray/


KBR---you do some real cool chromatic type chords at the turnaround, and a bit before, at about 1:50 to 2:02 on that 1st vid---I do something kinda close occasionally, but I'm going to try and steal your chords, methinks!!---nice---!

ac

[KBR]

Go for it, Homes.
Just stuff I learned thru the Years, Maybe from my work w/ Little Charlie, or from Brother Jack Mac Duff.

:BluesBros

[maxVsf]

Go for it, Homes.
Just stuff I learned thru the Years, Maybe from my work w/ Little Charlie, or from Brother Jack Mac Duff.

:BluesBros

Wow...I didn't know you worked with Brother Jack Mcduff? Cool...

[KBR]

I never worked w/ Brother Jack,
I meant from records.

I am a B3 Hound.

[S.W.Erdnase]

But seeing as how so many of the guitarists here make their living playing Myers/Lockwood/Tucker style behind donkey-pullers ("HEE-haw, HEE-haw"...)

So bitter for one so young.

Gus

[Poppa Stoppa]

I am a fool for boogie woogie piano. Check (Swiss guy) Chris Conz's simply amazing left hand technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9o7jTTxgEY&mode=user&search=
His website has some cool clips as well.

We have just being doing a bit of recording and got some keyboards on some tracks. It made the overall sound picture huge, an enormous difference. I like guitar-bass-drums-harp/voice for the freedom but having the keys in there was like being able to relax in a big armchair.

[Fenderjazz]

Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning."
"I got a good woman" Is a bad way to begin the Blues 'less you stick something nasty in the next line, like, "I gotta good woman, with the meanest face in town.
The Blues is simple. After you get the first line right, repeat it. Then find something that rhymes... sort of : "Got a good woman- with the meanest face in town. Got teeth like Margaret Thatcher- and she weigh 500 pound."
The Blues are not about choice: You stuck in a ditch, you stuck in a ditch; ain't no way out!
Blues cars: Chevy's and Cadillacs and broken-down trucks. Blues don't travel in Volvos, BMW's or Sport Utility Vehicles. Most Blues transportation is a Greyhound Bus or a Southbound Train. Jet aircraft an' state-sponsored motor pools ain't even in the running. Walkin' plays a major part in the Blues Lifestyle. So does fixin' to die.
Teenagers can't sing the Blues. They ain't fixin' to die yet. Adults sing the Blues. In Blues "adulthood" means being old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot a man in Memphis.
Blues can take place in New York City but not in Hawaii or any place in Canada. Hard times in St.Paul or Tuscon is just depression. Chicago, St.Louis and Kansas City still the best places to have the Blues. You cannot have the blues in any place that don't get rain.
A man with male-pattern baldness ain't the Blues. A woman with male-pattern baldness is. Breaking your leg cuz you're skiing is not the Blues. Breaking your leg cuz an alligator be chomping on it is.
You can't have no Blues in an office or a shopping mall. The lighting is wrong. Go outside to the parking lot or sit by the dumpster.
Good places for the blues : a) highway b) jailhouse c) empty bed d) bottom of a whiskey glass
Bad places: a) Ashrams b) Gallery Openings c) Ivy League Institutions d) Golf Courses
No one will believe it's the Blues if you wear a suit, 'less you happen to be an old Ethnic person, and you slept in it.
Do you have the right to sing the Blues? 1: Yes if: a) you're older than dirt b) you're blind c) you shot a man in Memphis d) you can't be satisfied 2: No if: a) you have all your teeth b) you were once blind but now you can see c) the man in Memphis lived d) you have a retirement plan or trust fund
Blues is not a matter of color. It's a matter of bad luck. Tiger Woods cannot sing the Blues. Gary Coleman could. Ugly white people also got a leg up on the Blues.
If you ask for water and baby give you gasoline, it's the Blues. Other acceptable Blues beverages are: wine, whiskey or bourbon, muddy water, black coffee.
The following are NOT blues beverages: mixed drinks, kosher wine, Snapple, sparkling water.
If it occurs in a cheap motel or a shotgun shack, it's a blues death. Stabbed in the back by a jealous lover is another Blues way to die. So is the Electric Chair, substance abuse, and dying lonely on a broken down cot. You can't have a Blues death if you die during a Tennis Match or getting liposuction.
Some Blues names for women : a) Sadie b) Big Mama c) Bessie d) Fat River Dumpling
Some Blues names for men: a) Joe b) Willie c) Little Willie d) Big Willie
Persons with names like Brad, Reno, Biff, Siera, Sequoia, Buffy, Auburn, and Rainbow, can't sing the Blues no matter how many men they shot in Memphis.
Make your own Blues name (starter kit): a) name of physical infirmity (Blind, Cripple, Lame, etc..) b) first name (see above) plus name of fruit (Lemon, Lime, Kiwi, etc..) c) last name of President (Jefferson, Johnson, Fillmore, etc...) For example: Blind Lime Jefferson, or Cripple Kiwi Fillmore, etc... ( Well, maybe not "Kiwi".)
I don't care how tragic your life: you own a computer, you cannot sing the Blues. You best destroy it. Fire, a spilled bottle of Mad Dog, or get out a shotgun. Maybe your big woman just done sat on it, I don't care!

[TwoFeets]

Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning."Hey man! 2002 called, they want their joke back! ;-)

[zappafrank]

aww, TwoFeets---the guy's in Rome Italy!---he just did not get the memo yet---the Parthenon in Greece is NOTORIOUSLY slow in getting the mail out!

LOL!

ac

[TwoFeets]

Ahh, Roma - I just got back from there last month!


Do any of you guys have experience dealing with chronic arm pain and fatigue? My left arm from my elbow about halfway up my forearm, from time to time, just aches. Lately it's become more frequent and more intense and it makes it really difficult to play. It's not in my wrist, it feels like something more muscular. The weird thing is, some days it doesn't hurt at all. We played a gig Friday night and I really had to struggle through. Ibuprofen seems to help but it's more of a Band-Aid than a real cure.

Anyone? KBR, didn't you have some sort of arm surgery a few years back? Was it carpal tunnel or something else?

[KBR]

Two Feets,

I had trigger finger surgery on 11/27/00, (left index finger)
It was from playing alot of Albert King/ and pushing the 3rd string up with index finger. I use my middle finger and ring finger for smooth whole step bens w/ medium/slow vibrato. Using an isolated finger takes its toll.
I used 11-54 for 30 years, and now I use 9-42s. My tone is still strong despite wimpy 9s. I like High action to bend under the strings.
Re: arm pain, ask a Good Doctor. who knows.
Hope you can play Ibuprofon causes internal bleeding, (Leaky gut syndrom)
sorry about spelling issues.

[mikelaw]

congrats to the bluehearts, ryan and eric for winning the ct blues competition! Going to Memphis again for the finals!

Also, a great show yesterday in Westerly RI, sugar ray, monster mike, bluehearts, jason ricci....Great times and Mike sounded amazing....great stuff. I was NOT dissapointed what so ever. Hanging with all the guys was great too. Was close to a gearpage reunion as well! :) Luckily Alec got most of Ray's set on video, some of the bluehearts I think and some of Jason too. Some great times this weekend for sure!

[jetlag]

Do any of you guys have experience dealing with chronic arm pain and fatigue? My left arm from my elbow about halfway up my forearm, from time to time, just aches. Lately it's become more frequent and more intense

I'd like to start by echoing KBR's advice about seeing a good doc, getting a diagnosis, etc. Having said that, I don't have arm problems very often but I do deal with tendonitus in my wrist alot. If you end up determining that you have tendonitis in your arm, here are two things that helps my wrist -

A cox2 inhibitor anti-inflammitory such as celebrex, vioxx (yanked off the market) etc. These work better for me than ibuprofen or aleve and solve the gut bleeding problems KBR points out. But they bring with them an increased risk for heart disease, so you should be aware of these side effects/issues with these drugs.

Neodymium magents in an elastic band. I know it sounds like hoodoo, but amazingly, they really help me alot. I never would have tried them except (1) I was desperate, (2) I read a Robben Ford article that mirrored my problem and the magnets really worked well for him. So I tried them and still use them some.

Good luck.

[aja]

Yo homeboys,
I taped a little bit of everyone yesterday at the Harmonica fest and some booties shakin'.I got three or four sugar ray tunes, a couple mike crandall tunes, only one Bluehearts tune because we showed up on the last song, and half a jason ricci tune because the tape ran out.
I watched it for a couple minutes this morning. I'll watch the whole thing tonight. When I rewound it and pushed play this morning the first thing that came on was Monster Mike playing a nasty solo, awesome playing yesterday Mike.
When I figure out how to get it to youtube I will put it up for everyone.

[Echo Are]

TwoFeets--I have the same thing going on in my left arm. It got pretty bad about 4 years ago, the result of repetitive motion in my previous career--long story. It's basically like carpal tunnel at the elbow instead of the wrist. Definitely have a doctor look at it(he or she can explain the problem a lot better than I can). Mine's healing, but veeerrrrryyyyy slooooowwwwllllyy. I opted to forego surgery. I still have to wear a strap(Bandit, etc.) on my upper-forearm when I play guitar. A couple of guitar-playing things you can do to help ease the pain:

1)9 thru 42 strings, like KBR mentioned.
2)No all-6-strings barre chords. Avoid that vice-grip fretting hand position. Leave the roots to the bass player ;-). So far, I've been able to triad, double-stop, and 3-note-7th-chord my way through blues jams for the last 5 years.

[Fenderjazz]

[/list]Hey man! 2002 called, they want their joke back! ;-)
Never intended to take credit for this joke... I just saw it