West Coast Blues Thread - Version 2.0 [Archive] - Page 6

Poppa Stoppa

09-18-2006, 01:46 AM

fretshop

09-18-2006, 07:31 AM

How about the "West Coast Wannabe" Thread.

I'm a San Jose kid and now live in South Amboy New Jersey. Even my therapist can't figure that one out. Oy....Joiiiiseeey !!!! I sat in with Bettye lavette's old man, Kevin Kiley the other night....he's got a killer little bar band that most folks dream of playing in. We get a request from one of the girls at the bar for "Swingin' Doors"(we love the old C&W stuff)...Kevin clears his throat, announces the request, then intinctively grumbles "Hey, you gotta problem wit dat"?

Tonight : One of the Garden State's phenomenal, natural blues talents, guitarist and singer Saron Crenshaw will be performing with his group at Terra blues in NYC. Some how, I've got to try and make that show.

zappafrank

09-18-2006, 07:50 AM

dang---3 pages full since last I read!!

fretshop---nice to see you around again!

Jon R.---welcome, welcome, welcome!

guys---"can't we all just get along???"---West Coast Blues ain't really a place---it's a state-of-mind!!

S.W.---you old softie---gettin' all sensitive and stuff---

TwoFeets---thanks, man---I really appreciate you picking up a copy! been getting some positive feedback---that's always kinda cool!---hope you find parts you dig!

been playing that tele-partso-thang a LOT lately---sorry, no pics---(no camera---I'm WAY behind the tech craze---no cell phone, either!!)

---wish I could play slide like Nighthawk and Hooker----

ac

fretshop

09-18-2006, 07:57 AM

Echo Are - thanks for putting that great clip up! RJ is quoting his tune 'RJ's Jump' there, or maybe it's just part of his usual bag of tricks. As for Kid Andersen - he sounds (& plays) great! Anybody who can get a decent sound for blues out of a Roland JC is doing pretty good I reckon. Haha - it's almost as though the house amp at blues jams is a test for the guitarist. Local to me, it's either a solid state Marshall POS or a solid state Session combo POS.

Jankety - wow - how's that thing SOUND????

In the late 80's, Maurice "John" Vaughn called me to The Stanhope House to help him do two sets back to back with A.C. Reed and Albert King. My '66 super reverb and '65 Pro Reverb got a workout that night. Albert was using a JC 120 with the chorus turned way up....and the monitor was right in my face. Albert stopped every 30 seconds or so to curse out the sound man, then repremand the band. A.C. Reed comes up for the second set, points to the Roland, and tells the sound man to "get this piece of s**t outa my face...it sound' like somebody step' on a cat...that's why you guys ain't got no timing !!" Mr. King chuckled, turned to me and remarked..."he's just jealous 'cuz he ain't in my band..."

zappafrank

09-18-2006, 07:58 AM

I got this pretty bitchen CD yesterday... some sort of Jimi Bott thing... listening to it now... what the hey? Flight of the Bumblebee?

Scott!---thanks so much for grabbing a copy---yeah, that Marco---he so crazy---goin' off like that!---some creative, whimsical, dissonant stuff can fly out of his fingers!

Means a lot to me, you guys that have purchased it---thanks BIG TIME---we have a CD Release thing scheduled for November 3rd here in Portland---yep, at Duff's---I hope I can be involved in future Bott projects---I'd like to lay down a couple of studio things with thes guys--play with some tones, ya know?---I do know that a Cheap Thrills Vol.2 is in the works for 2007 sometime---you know, with those famous guys on it----no, I don't know who or what---sorry guys---

man, these graveyard hours are starting to get to me---!!

ac

frank62

09-18-2006, 09:56 AM

maybe you guys can help me. i posted over at the lounge about the ibc and did not get one response. have any of you ever done this? tell me about it. i am going to try it this year.

aja

09-18-2006, 09:58 AM

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/picture 022

YEEAAAA !!! I played a benefit yesterday here's a pic.

ReddRanger

09-18-2006, 10:31 AM

Echo Are - thanks for putting that great clip up! RJ is quoting his tune 'RJ's Jump' there, or maybe it's just part of his usual bag of tricks. As for Kid Andersen - he sounds (& plays) great! Anybody who can get a decent sound for blues out of a Roland JC is doing pretty good I reckon. Haha - it's almost as though the house amp at blues jams is a test for the guitarist. Local to me, it's either a solid state Marshall POS or a solid state Session combo POS.

Jankety - wow - how's that thing SOUND????

I agree about house amps being the test. Really, you "should" be able to walk up to anything and get a workable tone out of it. I've only started going to blues jams recently. I still rely on a little grit from an OD, so I always carry one with me.

Thing is, at my local jam they really stay on the jammers to not crank the gear (and it's usually nice gear). I TOTALLY respect that. So my learning curve is figuring out what to do when I get up and plug in. Keep my guitar volume way low, set the amp, then roll up for solo's? I still fumble at that a little, but I'm learning. It's all in good fun.

zappafrank

09-18-2006, 11:04 AM

I agree about house amps being the test. Really, you "should" be able to walk up to anything and get a workable tone out of it. I've only started going to blues jams recently. I still rely on a little grit from an OD, so I always carry one with me.

Thing is, at my local jam they really stay on the jammers to not crank the gear (and it's usually nice gear). I TOTALLY respect that. So my learning curve is figuring out what to do when I get up and plug in. Keep my guitar volume way low, set the amp, then roll up for solo's? I still fumble at that a little, but I'm learning. It's all in good fun.

Hey ReddRanger---I think you are on the right track in that local jam situation---i might recommend, if you have cool tweed amps to use, or any amp, I guess, that you might be surprised what you can get out of riding your guitar's volume coupled with cranking up the Bass and/or Trebles on the amp---that can really add to the gain characteristics, WITHOUT having to turn up the Amp's volume---ESPECIALLY on a nice tweed circuit---not so much on a more hi-fi amp---it will change your tone, but you may find you like it---esp. w/ a p90 guitar---works on strats and teles too, just not as dramatic--

Of course, usual disclaimers apply!!:BluesBros

ac

zappafrank

09-18-2006, 11:09 AM

Hey, I don't think I've mentioned how cool Josh Smith's CD "Deep Roots" is---a lot of energy, great blues and bluesrock tones, and I hear some real nods too the westside Chicago players---(Correct me if I'm mistaken, Josh!!)---some songwriting I can truly relate too---the one about having his woman make up her mind about what they are doing really nailed it!--I was cracking up--!---great tones throughout---in case you forgot, his TGP id is Guitarzan---I like that almost as much as Guitarded!! LOL

ac

Schwalbe

09-18-2006, 11:30 AM

maybe you guys can help me. i posted over at the lounge about the ibc and did not get one response. have any of you ever done this? tell me about it. i am going to try it this year.
The IBC is a very interesting time. I played it in '05 with Rockin' Daddy & the Rough Cuts and I'm going back this year with Cool Disposition. Ryan Hartt & the Blue Hearts are going this year so it looks like we're working on a WBT contingent.
It's a lot of fun and it's very expensive. There's a lot of great music in many flavors and some pretty bad stuff too depending on your taste. There's more pick pockets and street hustlers than a hick from Minnesota had ever seen.
Did you win your local competition?
You should check out http://www.blues.org/ibc/index.php4
Got more questions? Ask away, I'll tell ya what I know.

Echo Are

09-18-2006, 11:37 AM

Regarding house amps at jams, IMHO they are tools of the devil :Devil........well, OK, they're not quite that evil, lol, but I'm all for using one's own amp myself, whenever possible. An amp is just as much a musical instrument as a guitar, not a generic box with a speaker in it. I know exactly how to set the controls on my own rig for decent tone and volume. I've had baaaaad luck using someone else's amp. Usually, I get tones ranging from mediocre to downright horrible.

Oh, almost forgot: And then there are those house amp owners who think that their amp's settings will work with every single electric guitar ever made, and have a mild freak-out when you want turn the knobs of their amp ever so slightly for your particular guitar. EEK!

dukeh62

09-18-2006, 12:10 PM

maybe you guys can help me. i posted over at the lounge about the ibc and did not get one response. have any of you ever done this? tell me about it. i am going to try it this year.

The IBC is an absolute blast. We went down in 2004 and, as mentioned above, are headed back again in February. We unfortunately don't get to "hit the road" with our band, so this is a great excuse for us to take a road trip for the sake of playing music.

I personally can't stand the "competition" aspect, but I found that pretty much ended after we left the local level. Down there, each band was so different in our club that we all just rooted each other on and had a great time. It was so cool to walk up and down Beale Street for two nights and hear blues coming from a ton of clubs.

The food, the music, the friends you'll make, the vibe of Memphis...it's just a great time.

Oh...and in relation to the house amp subject, just remember that guitar players can't bring their own amps to the IBC. Really sucks for us tweed fans, b/c most of the stuff they supply just doesn't come close. That was my one gripe.

Jon Ross: Was a blast to play with you last month...as always. Hope all is well.

ReddRanger

09-18-2006, 12:15 PM

Actually, those clips of KBR playing on here are from the jam I go to. So you get an exact idea. We're very lucky, they usually set up nice stuff for people to use. Allens, Carr, Fenders, usually in the blackface camp. I usually carry a Les Paul. They get so many people signing up to play, that carrying your own amp just won't work (and with an Allen onstage, why would i bother :) ).

I think learning to play through any amp on the fly is a real challenge. You really have to have done your homework on the licks, and dig deep for the soul if the amp is feeling foreign to you.

mikelaw

09-18-2006, 12:48 PM

jetlag

09-18-2006, 01:12 PM

Frank, what a cool, interesting guitar you picked up. That's really a trip. At least dano had the foresight to put the metal rod in that thing. I wish harmony did the same thing.

Tips on the IBC - if your band has a B3 player, you are taking a big risk to "request" a B3 venue. When the band I was in did that, we got stuck in the Old Daisy Theatre. What's wrong with that you say? It's an old , dank, gutted out theatre WITHOUT HEAT IN FEBRUARY! The place was a morgue. The temperature in that place was in the low 50's - it was extremely hard to move your fingers. I felt sorry for the judges, who had to endure that for several hours seated behind a desk. So my advice would be to not request a B3 venue and then just play whatever digital keyboard they have there for you. Avoid the old Daisy!

Plan on getting to play through something like a Hot Rod Deluxe or Blues Deville or similar. It's all mental - to just ignore your tone and try to play inspired. For some, the best approach might be to set whatever amp crystal clean, then use a quality effect like a Klon for a little color. I hate distortion/boost pedals, but that might be the way to go in that situation if it helps you get your mind right.

Although we did a lot better in the early 90's with the old format (one day, one venue, a zillion bands, three tunes per band, no finals), I really like the new format they have changed to. It's much more fair and more fun for everyone. Too bad they hold it in February. 6 weeks later would make a big difference and make it so much more enjoyable for people. Regarding cost, hopefully a blues society with some funds is sending your band. In KC, the KCBS is pretty strong and they really help with the $$$$. Heck, nowadays with gas prices, I don't see how people that are 3 days away from Memphis can swing it.

I saw Albert King on Beale Street in a restuarant the first time we were there. It's a pretty funny (and sad) story, but that's for another "thread" - "share your grumpy Albert King stories........"

musicofanatic5

09-18-2006, 01:22 PM

A buddy of mine in N.H. runs a bluesjam and is a certified bluesjam running genius from my perspective (yes, I am sometimes hired as the bassist on this thing; times are that tough! I generally do not DO bluesjams). He sets up a tweed Deluxe and a Silvertone 1482 and if you want to sit in, that's what you play through; no outside amps, no pedals. He sets 'em up on the side, facing across the stage (pointing at YOU, the wanking gtrist). The good gtrists that sit in can deal with low wattage, no reverb, no flanging, no ring modulator, etc.; the rest: sink or swim! The core band starts out the evening playing just above a whisper to hopefully set the tone for the evening. Anybody walks in with their Bassman, Twin, etc. is promptly sent right back out with it. The above protocol, plus the fabulous hospitalty accorded me makes it mostly tolerable for a bluesjam curmudgeon like myself. Sure do miss the Blue Monday at the old Cambridge HOB though...

Scott Miller

09-18-2006, 01:34 PM

"The core band starts out the evening playing just above a whisper to hopefully set the tone for the evening."

RJ occasionally has all the jammers sit in chairs. It works great for me. It tends to mystify some players, though.

I not only like using other people's amps, I like playing other people's guitars. Except for the time I played Chris Andersen's SG that hung down around my thighs. He's a lot taller than me. Actually, it was a pretty bitchen SG, a '68 I think. It was through the Roland. I had a blast, come to think of it.

frank62

09-18-2006, 01:34 PM

thanks for all the info guys. i do have a b3 man, so thanks for the heads up. he does have a new nord that to my surprise sounds very much like his b3. still has to have a leslie though. for us this is all about having some fun and checking out other players. hell, i know what i sound like. i don't expect to win anything. hope to finally meet some of the great folks from tgp while there.

Guitarzan

09-18-2006, 02:38 PM

Schwalbe

09-18-2006, 03:04 PM

Fun and making new friends is what the IBC should be about.

monstermike

09-18-2006, 03:07 PM

Hey, don't look at me like that...I love a well-played harmonica and I've been blessed to play with a few of my absolute favorites. I just can't resist a cheap shot at an easy target (not you, of course, but your particular...idiom, to paraphrase John Cleese)! It's an absolutely tiresome personality trait of mine...

Robert Cray day? I'm in! The new live record is just unbelievably good.

Hey Fretshop George! How come you don't call no more? Eric and I are starting to think you're mad at us...

Schwalbe

09-18-2006, 03:11 PM

someone dissing harp players

Never take my harp quips seriously. I've been working with harp players since high school and that was several decades ago. I would have stopped by now if I didn't like it.

fretshop

09-18-2006, 03:34 PM

Posted by Mike Welch:
"Hey Fretshop George! How come you don't call no more? Eric and I are starting to think you're mad at us..."

I'm afraid one of you will ask me to baby sit.

Poppa Stoppa

09-18-2006, 04:47 PM

eric, consider bringing a pedal to the ibc if you want a closer tweed crunch tone! i have a fuzz pedal which gets a decent broken speaker tone and the boss super overdrive which when used correctly can get a nice gain sound to ANY amp. and its not metal tone, its really great crunchy tone. let me know, you can try them at my place with my concert which is quite blackface like to get an idea.Yep I use a Blues Driver, which I leave on all the time, and roll the guitar vol back to clean it up. Not perfect but not bad with a clean amp.

Just before the version 1.0 thread disappeared, someone (can't remember who) posted some info about a couple of pedals designed to emulate a tweed crunch. I'd really like to hear what they were again if anybody knows...

Jankety - super picture, thanks. I wondered if that new guitar of yours sounded like a Dano or a Stratotone.

Hah - just spotted that cool note Kid Andersen frets with his picking hand thumb right at the end of Echo Are's clip.

HappyValley

09-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Hi Guys-
As far as the IBC goes, I concur with the sentiment of 'go for the fun of it, not with any delusions' - Beale St. is a blast. When we competed in '97 (or was it '98?), they didn't have the multi-club format - it was EVERY band in the New Daisy Dungeon for two days!!! I heard it's far more well -organized and musician friendly now.
MMW- I'm sure your wife told you 'bout the Robert Jr. Lockwood show yesterday- amazing. Ronnie introduced me to him before the set and he was just an absolute gentleman, so articulate & dignified at the age of 91! His playing was incredible.

Echo Are

09-18-2006, 06:04 PM

I ride my guitar's volume knob also, rather than stomping a pedal: down a little for rhythm, all the way up for solos.

straightblues

09-18-2006, 06:17 PM

When I need a little extra breakup I use a Clark Gainster. It sounds totally tweed. I have one of the new ones made by Barber.

dukeh62

09-18-2006, 08:00 PM

When I need a little extra breakup I use a Clark Gainster. It sounds totally tweed. I have one of the new ones made by Barber.

I have ZERO experience with the latest drive pedals, but I have buddy who plays traditional blues and swears by the Clark Gainster for some extra dirt. Straightblues...it doesn't thin-out or compress your tone too much?

I've also hear the V-Stack Tweedy is pretty good, although their site mentions that it isn't designed for a live application.

Was thinking of picking something up as a precautionary measure for IBC.

Guitarzan

09-18-2006, 08:18 PM

The Lovepedal woody does really cool tweed tones. Also the Hao Sole Pressure is a great tweedy pedal.

S.W.Erdnase

09-18-2006, 08:47 PM

Never mind me. I deleted my post. Was just having a bad day; apologies for the hissy fit.

straightblues

09-19-2006, 01:35 AM

I have ZERO experience with the latest drive pedals, but I have buddy who plays traditional blues and swears by the Clark Gainster for some extra dirt. Straightblues...it doesn't thin-out or compress your tone too much?
I don't think it is thin at all. Is it going to sound just like a cranked Tweed Pro, no but it is pretty darn close. You can buy them used for around $100. They are $139 new. After trying many pedals, this is the one for me. I try never to use any pedal, but if you bring the wrong sized amp, they are a necessary evil. http://www.tpngear.com/

valcotone

09-19-2006, 01:45 AM

+1 to the Clark/Barber Gainster. A Tube Screamer it is NOT! :AOK

Dang... the IBC sounds like a gas... good luck to all you guys who are making the trek down there...

I'm in Austin for a bit and saw Seth Walker and Mike Keller play with a killer rhythm section (sorry can't remember their names) at a little roadhouse tonight. Great stuff from Roy Brown to BB King and Jimmy Reed. And I've got a gig I'm playing with some local guys next week at another place. Can't wait for that!!

RickyKing

09-19-2006, 07:19 AM

:angel FWIW I love the KLON Centaur and I have had and tried them all...

BTW I am selling My 1957 Tweed Bandmaster,Black Silvertone/Harmony Espanada Like archtop (Not Sure Of Model But it
is the Silvertone version)(the one on your card,Duke) and my 2 pickup 1955 copper Harmony Stratotone. I am not looking to make the big score with this stuff,just baisically get my $ back and a little for my time and effort. I dont use these much and would love to see someone who would have them. Email me if interested,I'll ebay them this weekend.

Jankety, The stuff I got from you is almost done and comming out great,I'll send some pix when done!!

J.R. It was a gas w/you at the J.P. thing. I miss Blue Monday too...As a matter of fact,no blues club in Boston
Kinda sucks too...

mikelaw

09-19-2006, 10:17 AM

damn Jon, are you german? You dont mess around.

You should bring some of that SS technique down to my jams, be my 3rd party consultant ! :)

LOL!!!!!!!

GOLDENSTRAT

09-19-2006, 10:35 AM

Got an Amos Milburn cd yesterday and heard a tune "I Done Done It" that is cool - good beat, two vocals ( one very easy) , easy to remember lyrics, and it should groove even without a big horn band ( groove kinda reminds me of " Mo' Onions"). Can anyone recommend any Bill Jennings cds? I already have "Stompin'" and "Glide On" and wonder what other ones are groovy. Thanks, fred

Strat-O

09-19-2006, 12:05 PM

Ricky - I've got a nice tweed Pro I'll trade you. :)

musicofanatic5

09-19-2006, 05:58 PM

damn Jon, are you german? You dont mess around.

You should bring some of that SS technique down to my jams, be my 3rd party consultant ! :)

LOL!!!!!!!
Mike, read my post again. It's not me running the jam. I was just admiring my buddy's style, and he's pretty damn successful with it. Iron fist in a velvet glove, or whatever that expression is. What, you don't pack heat at your jam?!

RickyK.-yes, big fun at that wingding. If you dump all that stuff will you have anything left?! Maybe you can get a S-tone with a proper bridge/t.p. set up!

mikelaw

09-19-2006, 07:14 PM

DAMN!!!! I dont remember you being so angry all the times we've hung out Jon!?!? whats up with that?

I get crap for my stratotone from EVERYONE ricky. udaman! :)

musicofanatic5

09-19-2006, 11:46 PM

Who's angry? Perhaps you confuse anger with my normal persona of the (gruff, but lovable) East Coast, West Coast Blues Curmudgeon?

re:"damn Jon, are you german? You dont mess around.You should bring some of that SS technique down to my jams, be my 3rd party consultant !"
From that I got the impression you mistakenly thought I was running the jam. I just wanted to clarify that I am merely the passive, willing recipient of the benefits of someone else's draconian policies. Same old happy me.
Love ya, baby!

HappyValley

09-20-2006, 01:09 AM

Who's angry? Perhaps you confuse anger with my normal persona of the (gruff, but lovable) East Coast, West Coast Blues Curmudgeon?

This is f----n' GREAT!! Almost as good as Mike Welch's " I neither understand nor like you very much right about now...." moment a few posts back.... MikeLaw, you sure know how to get da party started, bro!!!:rotflmao

However, it is now time for me to interject yet ANOTHER drastic topic change in the name of positive vibes and musical forward progress....
Let's talk jazz guitar; Not the early 20's-30-40's swing stuff we all love so much, ala Eddie Durham,Teddy Bunn, Charlie Christian, Django, the brothers Moore et al. How bout Burrell, Wes, Benson,etc. - who do y'all dig?
I'm on a serious Grant Green on Blue Note listening kick right now.....his tone is simply perfect.

zappafrank

09-20-2006, 02:37 AM

Nick!

I'm a BIG Burrell fan---I love Blue Midnight---just a full-on classic, IMO--up there w/ Miles' Kind of Blue (to me---no flames, please...)---although maybe not so groundbreaking---anyway--love his stuff w/ Jimmy Smith and Jack McDuff---Grant Green w/ Big John Patton is KILLER stuff---some reason, I've always preferred Burrell's tone, overall---he's always messing around w/ the volume/tone knobs to vary his expression---saw him solo when I was 17 or 18---played through a blackface Twin that he clearly was not that happy with, but I was in TOTAL AWE!---Next time I felt that way at a live performance was the 1st (of about 50) time I saw Little Charlie---then, Ronnie Earl w/ Darrell was w/ him, but had a BAD throat problem--sang 2 tunes and RE played instrumentals the rest of the night---never forget that, either--

Phil Upchurch could lay down some bluesy jazz, too--many others, I know---but some just have that blues in their style that gets to me---some are missing that phrasing---

Great topic!!

ac

musicofanatic5

09-20-2006, 03:16 AM

Burrell just might be IT!! Wes and Benson are SO good, but for blues appeal, Kenny's flat got it. In addition to Blue Midnight that record with Coltrane (some of his best playing) is another essential. An odd one I like is Skystreet; almost fusion before there was such a thing.
Also big on Green with Big John. Saw Upchurch w/ Jimmy Smith years ago. He played a cheap Peavey solidbody with his thumb and killed. Other favorites for their blues content: Herb Ellis and Jimmy Raney. Kessel on the Bird/Dial stuff. Oh, yeah, Cal Collins, too.

jimfog

09-20-2006, 04:45 AM

All good stuff so far.....

I'm a Grant Green freak.......have most everything under his name, and tons of other sessions. His "Iron City" is a nice mid-period bluesy disc.

Also, for current guys definitely check out Randy Johnston...especially his organ trios w/ Defrancesco....and Peter Bernstein, also on lots of B-3 discs, most notably the Larry Goldings Trio.

Scofield, I believe, always keeps the blues content high.....

Danny Caron, Charles Brown's guitarist and bandleader, has an awesome solo cd out "Good Hands"....great grooves, blues and jazz.

Love how Howard Roberts would negotiate a 12 bar, definitely.....

Russell Malone, especially on that 1st Diana Krall cd, just drips soul. I have a boot of them in Poland.....he introduces "Rt 66" with a 10min, solo guitar GUTBUCKET hard blues thing that has the audience going nuts.

Chris Flory is a killer.......especially his " Blues in My Heart " cd, w/Duke Robillard.

mmmm-hmmm.....Chitlin Con Carne, indeed!

- Jim

TwoFeets

09-20-2006, 06:39 AM

Here's my contribution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQtiw9gYA

fretshop

09-20-2006, 07:41 AM

This is f----n' GREAT!! Almost as good as Mike Welch's " I neither understand nor like you very much right about now...." moment a few posts back.... MikeLaw, you sure know how to get da party started, bro!!!:rotflmao

However, it is now time for me to interject yet ANOTHER drastic topic change in the name of positive vibes and musical forward progress....
Let's talk jazz guitar; Not the early 20's-30-40's swing stuff we all love so much, ala Eddie Durham,Teddy Bunn, Charlie Christian, Django, the brothers Moore et al. How bout Burrell, Wes, Benson,etc. - who do y'all dig?
I'm on a serious Grant Green on Blue Note listening kick right now.....his tone is simply perfect.

Check out his early Blue note stuff : Grant's First Stand, Grant Stand, and Green Street...that's green in a more primordial context. While I was apprenticing in Greenwich Village, I used to see Jimmy D'Aquisto quite often, as John D'Angelico's shop was just a few blocks from us. Besides helping me through the rudimentary stages of my lutherie studies, Jimmy turned me on to Grant Green. Green was apparently one of Jimmy's personal clients during the 60's. If my memory is correct...Green may have been working with Jack McDuff at the time.

NOW...Y'all get up and check out Cornell Dupree. Remember Tony Joe White's "A Rainy Night In Georgia" ? That's Mr. Dupree on guitar. Sly Stone was one of our customers at Lou Rose Music Center in Edison N.J. He used to talk about Cornell ALL the time.

Nick, Call me later.

Strat-O: I'll get back to you as soon as I can

Jetlag: I opened the box with our supplies....The vendor messed up and sent me the order for another Fretshop down south. The other guy got our stuff....it's all straightened out. Should be arriving beginning of the week.

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 07:57 AM

grant and jimmy's only studio release here.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hykniknhbb29~T2

i also love grant's release, talkin' about. grant green, larry young on organ and elvin jones on drums. a bit slow, lots of ballads...but great stuff.

HappyValley

09-20-2006, 08:37 AM

All good stuff so far.....

I'm a Grant Green freak.......have most everything under his name, and tons of other sessions. His "Iron City" is a nice mid-period bluesy disc.Danny Caron, Charles Brown's guitarist and bandleader, has an awesome solo cd out "Good Hands"....great grooves, blues and jazz.
Love how Howard Roberts would negotiate a 12 bar, definitely.....
Russell Malone, especially on that 1st Diana Krall cd, just drips soul. I have a boot of them in Poland.....he introduces "Rt 66" with a 10min, solo guitar GUTBUCKET hard blues thing that has the audience going nuts.
Chris Flory is a killer.......especially his " Blues in My Heart " cd, w/Duke Robillard.

- Jim
Jim! Love all of the above!! I used to date a chic that hung out w/Russell Malone & she said he was the most humble dude ever.
Iron City is a killer Grant disc, I agree - 1st one I ever bought!
"Howard Roberts is a Dirty......Guitar Player" is a killer album as well...

dukeh62

09-20-2006, 08:49 AM

Man, you guys already nailed a lot of my favorites. Anything Grant Green is okay by me!!!

Also, Barney Kessel's "To Swing or Not to Swing" is just a monster record too.

JonR...man, that Burrell/Coltrane record IS slammin indeed!

Not really high on the blues content, but Pat Martino's "El Hombre" is one of my favorites.

Lets also not forget Charlie Christian. Anybody have that four-disc set that comes in a box that looks like his Gibson amp? I've always wanted to pick it up.

Dave Orban

09-20-2006, 08:57 AM

pete kanaras

09-20-2006, 09:03 AM

aja

09-20-2006, 09:16 AM

Yea I dig green street by grant green cool three peice stuff (drums,bass,guitar). I second
Barney kessel too, I have pollwinners by him with Ray Brown and Shelly mann that is just ridiculous. He doesn't have that blue tone that Burrell and Green had though.

Poppa Stoppa

09-20-2006, 09:19 AM

NOW...Y'all get up and check out Cornell Dupree. Remember Tony Joe White's "A Rainy Night In Georgia" ? That's Mr. Dupree on guitar. Sly Stone was one of our customers at Lou Rose Music Center in Edison N.J. He used to talk about Cornell ALL the time.Yes indeed. The recent four-CD Aretha/King Curtis Live at the Fillmore has some great Cornell Dupree - like on Memphis Soul Stew. I have a good more recent live album called Uncle Funky which is also very cool. The guy has a natural genius for playing simple with a huge deep soul. He plays like he would sing I reckon.

Grant Green - fantastic. What about his solo on 'The Cantaloupe Woman'?

Autopilot Slim

09-20-2006, 09:22 AM

Thanks for that video TwoFeets. Great stuff.

I love those guys. I am a little partial to Burrell myself as well.
BUT, Grant Green is right up there too. I've got a Blue Note 4CD box set
of his that is awesome. It's called "Grant Green Retrospective 1961-68".

All that early Benson stuff is off the wall as well. His first 3-4 albums.

The CC box set is a must have IMHO.

Esquire

09-20-2006, 09:23 AM

MMW- I'm sure your wife told you 'bout the Robert Jr. Lockwood show yesterday- amazing. Ronnie introduced me to him before the set and he was just an absolute gentleman, so articulate & dignified at the age of 91! His playing was incredible.

Hey Backalley,

I wanted to go to the Robert Lockwood Jr. show but couldn't make it. How was it overall? Did he play solo or with backing musicians? Details please.

fretshop

09-20-2006, 09:30 AM

grant's take on "idle moments", the duke jordan tune, is one of my favorite songs of all time. incredible feeling they got on that take. +1 on iron city too.

A buddy of mine in N.H. runs a bluesjam and is a certified bluesjam running genius from my perspective (yes, I am sometimes hired as the bassist on this thing; times are that tough! I generally do not DO bluesjams). He sets up a tweed Deluxe and a Silvertone 1482 and if you want to sit in, that's what you play through; no outside amps, no pedals

hah! that's exactly the way we used to do it in nys in the early 80's, albeit with slightly larger amps. very successful blues jam about 2 hours north of manhattan that ran for 12 years. and we set it up to be educational as well. somebody'd say "hey, ever hear of magic sam?" and whoever had some would make cassette copies and hand 'em out the next week. and so on. this way, for the people who were serious about learning they learned a LOT. jon, good to see you here. i had a blast with you at inn on the blues, with jake. i had umm, a bit much to drink that night though, being my b'day and all!

jesu fret, you oughta write a book man.....

Yiasou Pete !! I need your address to send the Dano Bridge. Hey Pete, Is Dupree the bomb or what ? Mark Dronge at Guild Guitars commissioned Bobby Ruggiero (my dear late friend, 'bro, and genius guitar tech) and I to recondition and prep the instruments for that '80s Paul Simon movie with Cornell Dupree (Was it "One Trick Pony"...or whatever?). Man, that guy could nail the Harlem attitude on soul/jazz guitar.

If you yougnsters want a head spinner....find Wes Montgomery's "Wes' Best", and of course George Benson's "Cookbook". You'll recognize alot
of influence that was passed on from these works.

pete kanaras

09-20-2006, 09:57 AM

yiasou patritha. wow thanks, i'll pm ya with my new addy this afternoon. the bridge'll sure help, then it's on to pot values. lipsticks are SO wierd that way, esp tone pots. the taper is totally wacked out, it's either fully on (mud) or off. i've got 250's in there at the moment (mv/mt) and i'm thinking a 300k linear for tone, or maybe a Stellartone pot; i'm dying to try one of those out. for volume i dunno though; i need a value that'll give me a less lumpy taper and still retain highs w/o a bleeder resistor. the original stackpots were 100k V and 1meg T, right?

dupree is soul guitar personified; i saw the original Stuff in a small club in poughkeepsie with richard tee, gadd, gordon edwards and cornell and man it was friggin' mind blowing. he sat in a chair with that tele, smoking a meerschaum pipe and he just slayed me. too much soul to control....

rhartt1234

09-20-2006, 10:35 AM

yiasou patritha.

Hey, hey, hey! This is not the Rebetika Appreciation Thread! English please, we all feel left out.

Grant Green: Heard of him but never really heard him until I saw a clip of him on YouTube a few months back. it was just 1:08 of his solo from the clip Twofeets posted. It blew my mind and I have since become a fan.

I've been a big Barney Kessel fan since all my LA guitar buddies were into him via Watson and Holmstrom.

Freddie Green: As a crappy guitar player with dumb fat fingers, for me the simpler the chord shapes are the better. And yet even on a blues he does so much sophisticated stuff, voice leading, substitutions, etc with three note chords. And it seems simple but that 4/4 comping is really tough to lock in.

monstermike

09-20-2006, 10:41 AM

Cornell is unbelievable; besides his great work on the Aretha and King Curtis Fillmore sets, there were two instrumentals on the old "Atlantic Blues: Guitar" LP ("Okie Dokie Stomp" and a killer blues ballad if I remember correctly) that are just textbook examples of how to make a guitar sing. I don't even know if that compilation is out on CD, but it's the first place I heard Mickey Baker, Sticks McGhee, and Guitar Slim when I was a kid. Great stuff.

Jazz guitar heads: find a Baby Face Willette record called "Stop and Listen." It's out of print and the more commonly available "Face to Face" isn't as good. It's an organ trio with Grant Green and Ben Dixon, and Willette's the simplest, bluesiest organist of them all (he played piano on Buddy Guy's Cobra and Autistic sides), so you hear Grant in a much rawer way than usual, with bent strings and all. He sounds like a missing link between Prestige-era Bill Jennings and early Benson. Is it "great jazz?" Maybe not, but it's killer, raw, and soulful.

On the more sophisticated side, I love "Movin' Wes" on Verve; the big band arrangements are very showy, but Wes' tone and touch are brainwateringly good. "Caravan" is one of the best chord-melody performances I've ever heard.

M

pete kanaras

09-20-2006, 10:46 AM

Hey, hey, hey! This is not the Rebetika Appreciation Thread! English please, we all feel left out.

haha, rim shot!
"yasou patritha" means "greetings my fellow countryman"

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 10:55 AM

ryan, you never heard of grant green?? wha, wha, what????? holy crap. grant is my fav. there is a book out i want about his life.

jimfog

09-20-2006, 10:57 AM

fretshop

09-20-2006, 11:21 AM

Hey, hey, hey! This is not the Rebetika Appreciation Thread! English please, we all feel left out.

haha, rim shot!
"yasou patritha" means "greetings my fellow countryman"

Multi-linguality comes naturally to us. After all....even Paul the Apostle remarked that the Greeks took the human race out of the trees simply by pioneering "modern" communication . And let's face it...we all speaking a dialect that is heavily rooted in the greek language.

BTW: toute la langue est musique aux oreilles.....

Oh, Check out sides by the late Dr. Ted Dunbar. I was deeply honored to have restored the L-5 natural that Wes Montgomery gave him.

free_jazz

09-20-2006, 12:17 PM

fretshop

09-20-2006, 12:19 PM

Something jogged my memory...it's kind of a quirky guitar maker's story, but I hope everyone will relate to this from where I always believed it comes from....the obsessive quest for tone. O.K. here goes...

Ted Dunbar shows up at our shop one evening during the late 80's to pick up some music transcription paper and a couple books for his students. We had just gotten in three new L-5's that we waited almost four years for...Dr. Dunbar eyes the instruments on my shop benches and asks to try them out. ( So...uh...like I'm gonna say no ? ) Anyway....at this time, we had an impressive collection of vintage amps...I mean heavy weight stuff.
Ted floors me by requestin a Roland Cube, and then renews my faith by asking for an Ampeg B-12N Portaflex. No problem...So....he reaches into his jacket pocket and pulls out a used set of strings. (I'm trying NOT to show any expression or reaction here). He strings up each guitar with the same set of medium gauge La Bella Flat Wound Super Steels and commences to "run the nines" on each fretboard, while a friend he brought along switches the cord back and forth between the Cube and the Ampeg. I learned that Buddy always carried a used set of La Bellas in his jacket pocket, just in case he came upon an instrument that looked promising. After an hour of melting the psyches of all present with some of the most melifluous, breath taking chord melodies and scales I had ever heard, he bought one of the guitars. This man had large hands and could engage five fret chord patterns...some of them with open string drones....unbelievable. Oh....His pal turned out to be none other than Buddy Montgomery. What kicked my ass was that nobody but me really gave a damn. It was an inspiring evening for me that I'll always remember.

musicofanatic5

09-20-2006, 12:19 PM

Ditto:
Benson's Cookbook-almost sets the hi-fi on fire.
B.F Willette-MM was hip enough to lay that on me for my bday years back.
George Barnes-"I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles" (really) from that GtrPlayer mag Jazz release-genius playing, and love his un-jazz tone.
Cornell-yes, indeed!

Hey, PeteK-will contact you to send that Gonyea disc I promised you.

maxVsf

09-20-2006, 12:37 PM

Hey Pete, Is Dupree the bomb or what ? Mark Dronge at Guild Guitars commissioned Bobby Ruggiero (my dear late friend, 'bro, and genius guitar tech) and I to recondition and prep the instruments for that '80s Paul Simon movie with Cornell Dupree (Was it "One Trick Pony"...or whatever?). Man, that guy could nail the Harlem attitude on soul/jazz guitar.

If my memory is correct, wasn't it Eric Gale in that Paul Simon movie? Another soul/jazz guitar GIANT. On lots of hits. Every hear his CD with organist Lonnie Smith?

KBR

09-20-2006, 12:40 PM

I like Love Wes the Best, but dig Pat Martino's EL HOMBRE lp/cd, He was 21 years old on it and incredible. (Like George Benson & Grant Green) they all came from Brother Jack MacDuff's Awesome Band.
So many Great players, From Albert Collins to Wes!

KBR

free_jazz

09-20-2006, 12:41 PM

...(clip) Ted Dunbar shows up at our shop one evening...(clip) He strings up each guitar with the same set of medium gauge La Bella Flat Wound Super Steels and commences to "run the nines" on each fretboard

Great story -- and practical too. Bless the shops that still put the musician first. George, can you recommend any of Ted's recordings? I don't recall much, except for a Gil Evans date and maybe something on Xanadu.

zappafrank

09-20-2006, 12:45 PM

I've been reading up on this thread for a few weeks now from work, and it feels like home. I'm a guitar, bass, saxophone hobbyist. It's great to see the likes of KBR and all you other genuine dues payers who dig and perform good music.
Back in the early '80's, I couldn't listen to anything but Charlie Christian live at Minton's. Those intervals! That feel! The tone. So it was a godsend when Chris Cobb and the guys at Real Guitars and Jack's Record Cellar in SF turned me onto a great, Western/Charlie Christian stylist named Jimmie Rivers. Not sure if he's still alive, but Jim Campilongo would probably know. For those who haven't, check out Jimmie's live date, "Brisbane Bop." It was reissued on CD a few years ago. Great tone and feel -- that "physicality" that so often gets cleaned off by the prevailing "jazz guitar" mindset. (All praises to the Jump fellas for resisting those limitations) ... Whoever started that clean stuff anyhow? Van Eps? Kress? Even the cerebral Jimmy Raney can be spotted on some old recordings with a full, edgy tone. Maybe on a Proper Records reissue from the UK. How 'bout Tiny Grimes on Art Tatum's "Buck Jumpin'" ? Don't forget Irving Ashby.
Cheers.
Dave

Hey free---WELCOME---yeah, Jimmy Rivers left us long ago, sadly---I believe Vance Terry passed, but I may be wrong---I know a guy here who searched hiim out years ago---Brisbane Bop is like the MISSING LINK---along w/ Live at Mintons (gawd---what a historic piece of tape that turned out to be---my fave CC playing, period...)

Sounds like you have some things to offer this crowd---stick around!!

jimfrog---thanks for some NEW (to me) stuff to check into!

I have about 25-30 burrell recordings, and a fair amount of the GG already mentioned..---like I said---GREAT TOPIC!!

ac

maxVsf

09-20-2006, 12:47 PM

George, can you recommend any of Ted's recordings? I don't recall much, except for a Gil Evans date and maybe something on Xanadu.

Try finding Don Patterson's "The Genius of the B3" CD on Muse. The vinyl version is "The Return of Don Patterson". Ted is on guitar.

Agree with KBR. Pat Martino - El Hombre with Trudy Pitts on B3! Kenny - I have a bootleg of Pat in Louisville '65 with Gene Ludwig on Hammond that is just sick. Ever hear that one?

fretshop

09-20-2006, 03:34 PM

If my memory is correct, wasn't it Eric Gale in that Paul Simon movie? Another soul/jazz guitar GIANT. On lots of hits. Every hear his CD with organist Lonnie Smith?

Whoops !!! Yeah, My brother Arnie just remarked that it was Eric Gale, because he had his eye on an Artist Award Archtop. He used it for a while, but did not use it for the filming for some reason or another. At the time though, I thought that he was very committed to a Benson-esque style.

The session setup for Cornell was for an instructional video about R&B guitar that Mark Dronge (Guild Guitars was helping to promote). It was something like "Master of R&B guitar" (?). We also worked with him at The Lone Star Cafe in '91 or 92 to do a filming.

It's been a long time...way over twenty years, and I wasn't sure, that's why I added the question mark to "One Trick Pony".

BTW: when we met Grant Green, I believe he was using a thin line guitar like a 335. Just curious...did he also use archtops?

fretshop

09-20-2006, 03:44 PM

Try finding Don Patterson's "The Genius of the B3" CD on Muse. The vinyl version is "The Return of Don Patterson". Ted is on guitar.

Agree with KBR. Pat Martino - El Hombre with Trudy Pitts on B3! Kenny - I have a bootleg of Pat in Louisville '65 with Gene Ludwig on Hammond that is just sick. Ever hear that one?

You may be able to find that Don Patterson Muse CD at Jazz Record Mart in Chicago.

Ted taught for years at Harlem's "Jazz Mobile", which was a yearly series of tutorials subsidized by NYC and some private donors. Two of my close friends journeyed into Harlem during every scheduled class to study with Ted.

GOLDENSTRAT

09-20-2006, 03:54 PM

Pete K, where was that jam 2hrs. north of Manhattan? I am asuming you saw Dupree at the Last Chance?? I grew up around there but left in the late 70's . Can anyone recommend more Bill Jennings per my earlier post? Thanks, fred

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 04:04 PM

ive only seen grant with a gibson 330 w/p90s through an ampeg and an l5 with single christian pickup in it too.

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 04:06 PM

http://images.google.com/images?q=grant+green&hl=en

DrSax

09-20-2006, 04:14 PM

Scott Miller

09-20-2006, 04:23 PM

"Can anyone recommend more Bill Jennings per my earlier post?"

If you're a real Bill Jennings fiend: If you go to Oldies.com and buy all their $2.98 CDs, you end up with scattered Bill Jennings here and there. I can't remember which ones he's on, but he stands out. Plus, you get a lot of bitchen stuff for $2.98.

jetlag

09-20-2006, 05:09 PM

Can anyone recommend more Bill Jennings per my earlier post? Thanks, fred

I like this CD:
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1037173/a/Keep+On+A+Blowin'.htm

jetlag

09-20-2006, 05:16 PM

"Can anyone recommend more Bill Jennings per my earlier post?"

If you're a real Bill Jennings fiend: If you go to Oldies.com and buy all their $2.98 CDs,

Regarding Bill on Oldies.com, IMO this Jimmy Preston CD is worth the $3.00 for Jenning's solo on "Let's Hang Out Tonight."
http://www.oldies.com/product-view/53272.html

Scott Miller

09-20-2006, 06:23 PM

"...this Jimmy Preston CD is worth the $3.00 for Jenning's solo on "Let's Hang Out Tonight." "

IMO too. Killer solo there. I also like the Trumpet masters CDs, with Jerry McCain. They might be the $4.98 CDs, though.

Poppa Stoppa

09-20-2006, 07:32 PM

I transcribed Grant Green's 'Baby's Minor Lope' - well the first nine verses of the solo anyway (still got about six to do) - and learned a lot about jazz minor blues in the process. Baby Face Willette was a very funky Hammond player. On the same album, 'Blues For Willarene' and 'Miss Ann's Tempo' are just awesome major key jazz blues. Grant was using an ES330 at the time. Later he had an L5. 'It Ain't Necessarily So' with Art Blakey is compelling. The 4-CD box set Autopilot Slim mentioned is wonderful. He cut so much material for Blue Note because he was a junky, had to keep getting the session fees to feed his habit. Some of it is patchy, some of it is the best guitar ever recorded. I had to stop buying it in the end, because there's just so much out there. That video Twofeets put the link to is the only video there is of him anywhere.

maxVsf

09-20-2006, 07:59 PM

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 08:25 PM

Are you guys sure about Grant Green playing an L5? I've seen pictures with an Epiphone (Emperor?), an L7 with the floating pickup/pickguard, ES 330, and a D'Aquisto. Are there pictures of him with an L5?

http://images.google.com/images?q=grant+green&hl=en

mikelaw

09-20-2006, 08:27 PM

my bad, maybe not then. i get it confused with that christian model green played.

Scott Miller

09-20-2006, 09:07 PM

"Is "It must be Love" on there?"

I don't think so... the CD is in my car... too lazy to check. But it's cleaner stuff than that. I have that tune on an LP called "Choo Choo Rock" which is the wildest, noisiest blues I know of. No bass to soften the blow.

rhartt1234

09-20-2006, 10:30 PM

Another cool Jazz organ record is Wild Bill Davis's "Live at Birdland". It has Floyd Smith playing guitar and Louis Jordan's old drummer Christopher Columbus. Just tons of energy.

Yes! There is one record I wish I had on CD, One of the better meetings of Jazz and Blues on record.

valcotone

09-21-2006, 12:09 AM

Best Grant Green "blues" solo, bar none........

"It Ain't Necessarily So" , off the Complete Grant Green/Sonny Clark Quartet Sessions, on Blue Note....about 10 minutes long, and GG just spins amazing chorus after chorus, with Art Blakey WAILING and yelling at him to keep it up......Inspiring and humbling........

Aw, yeah Jim!!! I was going to mention that one but you beat me to it!! His solo on that just keeps rolling and rolling... it's SO good. That double-CD was my introduction to Mr. Green and I've since picked up a few more including Up at Mintons with Stanley Turrentine which is way cool:

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/070/74956.jpg

GOLDENSTRAT

09-21-2006, 09:32 AM

Thanks for all the tips, I gotta find that "Brisbane Bop" too I think. Someone mentioned before about "Idle Moments" being a favorite tune, I really like that the feel and composition of that tune ( by Oliver Nelson?) along with Bobby Timmons " Moanin" and the classic "Harlem Nocturne" - great vibes and chord progressions. thanks again , fred

pete kanaras

09-21-2006, 09:56 AM

Yes! There is one record I wish I had on CD, One of the better meetings of Jazz and Blues on record.

that is a killer for sure, also "wild bill davis in atlantic city" with johnny hodges and dickie thompson on guitar, another lefty like jennings. also, an unbelievable record, if you can find it, is "wild bill davis at count basie's", with dickie again. smoking white hot shit! dickie takes a mostly chordal solo on the opening tune that'll just rip your head off, inSane. and his tone! it sounds like he's playing through a cranked bf-something with the 'verb turned waaay up. what a tone, chill city. an expensive, pretty hard to find record; it isn't out on cd to my knowledge. i've got 3tracks on a compilation cassette watson threw together eons ago.

now there's an underrated, mostly forgotten guy for ya:
Dickie Thompson
http://weeklywire.com/ww/09-13-99/tw_mus.html

btg

09-21-2006, 10:04 AM

Grant Green's best blues playing can be found on a collection of Don Wilkerson CD's issued on Blue Note several years back. Intersting to hear his take on T-Bone Walker style blues.

KBR

09-21-2006, 11:00 AM

I have a Video w Grant Green on a D' Angelico.
I like his playing, a Good book out on him, too.

Poppa Stoppa

09-21-2006, 11:56 AM

Are you guys sure about Grant Green playing an L5? I've seen pictures with an Epiphone (Emperor?), an L7 with the floating pickup/pickguard, ES 330, and a D'Aquisto. Are there pictures of him with an L5?You're right - L7.
I have a Video w Grant Green on a D' Angelico.Is this Grant Green on his own?

KBR

09-21-2006, 04:18 PM

No, he is with Kenny Burrell, Barney Kessel and another dude.
It may be a D'Aquisto, but I read D'Angelico on the Blonde Guitar.
The playin is the thing, not what axe a Cat uses.
KBR

maxVsf

09-21-2006, 04:39 PM

The playin is the thing, not what axe a Cat uses.
KBR

Hell, Kenny, you are quite right! I was just listening to the Live at Club Mozambique sessions (unreleased). I don't care if he was playing a Gretsch... the tone, the soul, the pocket...that's the thang. But this IS the Gear Page...I don't have that video handy. I know that the one with his name inlaid is the D'Aquisto, and it was sunburst. The one Benson supposedly has, according to the Grant Green book.

maxVsf

09-21-2006, 05:02 PM

It may be a D'Aquisto, but I read D'Angelico on the Blonde Guitar.
KBR

Kenny - I love you bro', but you gotta get new glasses! On that video, Grant is playing an Epiphone. Look at the tailpiece. OTOH, Kenny Burrell is playing a D'Angelico! Look at the tailpiece! And yeah, it ain't the gittar, it's the playin'... and Grant's got it goin' on in that video.

TwoFeets

09-21-2006, 05:04 PM

Did anybody post this one yet?

T-Bone with Chuck Berry, and the Aces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dOsofLRv4

jetlag

09-21-2006, 05:37 PM

Did anybody post this one yet?

T-Bone with Chuck Berry, and the Aces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dOsofLRv4

Damn, when Chuck kicked that off it sounded just like the guitar on Elmore's Knocking At Your Door. Anyone know who played the guitar on that track? I was guessing Eddie Taylor.......

KBR

09-21-2006, 06:12 PM

That was My Man, (& friend, the Late Great Wayne Bennett) on Knocking
That tune will be on my next cd (#15.) That I have out.
I haven't recorded since '02, it is about time.

ps
Yep, KB was on the D'Angelico, yeah u right, Dave.
sorry.

Strat-O

09-21-2006, 08:18 PM

You guys must be talking about Elmore's 'Lonesome Blues'. That guitar tone Chuck has sounds sooo much like the tone on Lonesome Blues. I love that tune and that tone. Its a regular in our setlist. Everything about that song is cool. So that's Wayne Bennett who played the guitar on it? Cool, I thought it was Elmore James doing the lead guitar part.

HappyValley

09-21-2006, 08:41 PM

Hey Backalley,

I wanted to go to the Robert Lockwood Jr. show but couldn't make it. How was it overall? Did he play solo or with backing musicians? Details please.

Hi Es' ! He played w/ his long-time bass player Gene and that was it. Electric 12 string, deep delta & some more jazzy stuff, all killer. Top form. He was presented a BluesTrust lifetime achievement award by Ronnie who gave a fantastic speech in the process.

jetlag

09-21-2006, 08:46 PM

HappyValley

09-21-2006, 08:49 PM

How 'bout Tiny Grimes on Art Tatum's "Buck Jumpin'" ? Don't forget Irving Ashby.
Cheers.
Dave
Wecome aboard! Tiny's stuff w/Art Tatum doesn't get enough attention; Nor does Somerville, Massachusetts, USA's very own Irving Ashby who went on to record as part of Nat King Cole's trio for a stint!

I think we need to rename this thread the "Summmah-ville Appreciatin' Thread"

BTW, the past 20-30 posts responding to this jazz topic I regretfully (LOL) initiated have resulted in my being over $100 lighter in the wallet from all these GREAT entries discussing KILLER musicians!! Shame on me! Great stuff, gents....

HappyValley

09-21-2006, 09:37 PM

Strato/KBR - I'm talking about the version of Knocking At Your Door that's on "Street Talkin' " . I looked up the CD and (I guess) answered my own question. On tracks 1-7 (it's song 6), they credit Elmore and Eddie Taylor as the guitarists. You hear two parts - one sliding sixths, one playing lead fills - so I assume the lead part is Eddie.

Hey Jet! - Like many blues releases, the liner notes are allegedly wrong on that record, or so I'm told; Wayne Bennett & Eddie Taylor & Elmore are all on it as is Hubert on a track or two. Again, alleged, y'understand....

dukeh62

09-21-2006, 11:03 PM

Ok, so this isn't blues, but it's still cool as hell. I've must have watched this 10 times already. Dig the pre-Van Halen tap technique in the middle of the song. lol. Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALutagdHNw

Holy crap!!! Who are these guys????? This is the greatest thing ever! That other clip "Rollin' Rock" is just STU-PID too!!!!

HappyValley

09-21-2006, 11:05 PM

jetlag

09-21-2006, 11:19 PM

Hey Jet! - Like many blues releases, the liner notes are allegedly wrong on that record, or so I'm told; Wayne Bennett & Eddie Taylor & Elmore are all on it as is Hubert on a track or two. Again, alleged, y'understand....

KBR, What's the name of that video w/the three kings of jazz guitar? I'd love to track down a copy!!

Aha, that explains KBRs answer. Many thanks you two. So I guess Eddie Taylor was laying down the rhythm guitar down on that with Wayne playing the lead stuff? Cool. KBR, I look forward to hearing your take on that.

Jankety - wow, what a les paul twangin' tour de force. Cool video. Those guys were great. I don't think I've ever heard a bucker LP twang like that and don't suppose I ever will again.

HappyValley

09-21-2006, 11:32 PM

KBR- disregard my info request Re: that video - got it!
Duke- R U lurking this evening?! Usually I have to interrupt your busy lunch break to terrorize you! LOL
I've been cleaning my finished basement w/Charlie Christian BLARING on the stereo so my wife (working right now) can have her friends over tomorrow nite (err..tonight EST!) ,meanwhile I've been intermittently posting on this thread...good times.....

valcotone

09-22-2006, 12:58 AM

Holy crap!!! Who are these guys????? This is the greatest thing ever! That other clip "Rollin' Rock" is just STU-PID too!!!!

The story of Indo-Rock and the Tielman Brothers...

http://indorock.pmouse.nl/story.htm

http://indorock.pmouse.nl/Earlydays29.jpg

HappyValley

09-22-2006, 01:05 AM

Does the term " surreal" apply yet? This is too much....dig it.

Can't resist...WE ARE NOW THE OFFICIAL INDO-ROCK APPRECIATION THREAD!!!

Jankety- it's all your fault.:BEER

Poppa Stoppa

09-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Surreal is right. Somebody please tell me this isn't a front line of three six string basses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERgrf6VSsS8&mode=related&search=

pete kanaras

09-22-2006, 07:29 AM

jet/kbr

"street talking" is both my favorite eddie taylor and elmore james album in one. always been a mystery to me as to who's on some of it; those killer breaks on some of the tunes. i was always told it was eddie boyd who played the break on "the 12 year old boy". i dunno, but i do dunno that is one of my favorite breaks ever

mikelaw

09-22-2006, 08:01 AM

awesome! any good musician NEEDS a pair of white bucks OR white loafers

mikelaw

09-22-2006, 08:22 AM

Sunday September 24- The Windjammer- Misquamicut Beach - Westerly, RI- The Pawtucket River Blues Blast!
Featuring Duke Robillard, Sugar Ray, Johnny Nicholas
and Greg Piccolo

I think Ronnie Squirrel shows up to these too usually, anyone going?

Scott Miller

09-22-2006, 03:37 PM

dddelta

09-22-2006, 03:50 PM

After that last awesome clip, I'll calm things down a bit with this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En3KfILfF1Q

GOLDENSTRAT

09-22-2006, 07:25 PM

Scott, I would suggest " You Upsets Me" as a classic B.B. King thing, kinda a hard swingy shuffle. I think there is a different touch to it. fred

jetlag

09-22-2006, 07:54 PM

Scott, if someone called a BB shuffle to me w/o any other explanation I would assume it's one of those shuffles where the bass player walks a major scale, but with an actual shuffle rhythm on the bass - like a lumpty lump bass rhythm but with a major scale walk instead of a minor pentatonic walk and a little more percussive or snap. Those are the ones that makes you (well, at least me) want to bob your head side to side. Might be wrong, but it would be a good guess. They work really good if your drummer can do that Sonny Freeman rat-TAT with his/her left hand.

This kind of reminds me of the discussion Sean and I had about backward shuffles and the various names you run into : backwards shuffle, flat tire shuffle, Jimi Bott shuffle, upside down shuffle. At least those are the terms I've heard.

nc slim

09-22-2006, 09:09 PM

Poppa Stoppa

09-23-2006, 01:58 AM

Jamming with a harp player the other day, he called for a "BB King shuffle." This got me somewhat mystified. What makes a shuffle a BB King shuffle? More of a walking bass line? More swingy than boxy? Anyone got any examples of BB King tunes of this sort?Interesting question! I've never heard this, although there are fancy drummers out there who will say they've got 162 different ways to play a shuffle.
Scott, I would suggest " You Upsets Me" as a classic B.B. King thing, kinda a hard swingy shuffle. I think there is a different touch to it. fredYeah - on the Live at The Regal version the shuffle on the cymbal is heavily swung (delayed) against the snare. I've always thought of this as the epitome of shuffle! Maybe this is it!
This kind of reminds me of the discussion Sean and I had about backward shuffles and the various names you run into : backwards shuffle, flat tire shuffle, Jimi Bott shuffle, upside down shuffle. At least those are the terms I've heard.Flat tyre is the term most common round here (surprised to hear it can be identified as a Jimi Bott shuffle). If a drummer looks mystified, the smart-ass follow-up is usually "you know, training shoes in a tumble dryer".

Another one is a knocking-on shuffle - meaning a shuffle with the She's Tuff guitar riff, usually in 'E' or 'A'- is that a term you guys use?

HappyValley

09-23-2006, 03:21 AM

You guys are right w it ain't necessarily so w G Green he and Sonny Clark are great

Hey you NE guys anson said he is playin w Darrell in Mass. Does anybody know where??? Also he will play w T birds at King Bisquit.

NC- He's playing tomorrow afternoon at the Boston Blues Festival w/Darrell; Right on the Charles River Esplanade/Hatch Shell of 4th of July fame. My wife & I will be celebrating our 2nd anniversary there!!

HappyValley

09-23-2006, 03:24 AM

Here's another great one from Youtube. Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOmRm0-acJw

Jankety - YOU'RE KILLING ME!! You get the award for coolest YouTube submisssions this month...; Ms. Tharpe was a killer, wasn't she? I have a record w/her & a big band that's cool, but the guitar is way low in the mix.

zappafrank

09-23-2006, 04:32 AM

Jankety - YOU'RE KILLING ME!! You get the award for coolest YouTube submisssions this month...; Ms. Tharpe was a killer, wasn't she? I have a record w/her & a big band that's cool, but the guitar is way low in the mix.

Yep---Nick's right---jankety---you win---my god, she sounds like a stone gospel female Guitar 'Eddie Jones' Slim---has a fancy Les Paul (SG)---White with Gold---how 'angelic' is that???---that is COOL s##t!!!---There's a 4-disc proper box of her stuff---wonder if this kinda electric-cranked thang is on there?---Anyone know???

---you guys are ALL sending me on quests for some rare stuff---I'm going to be broke again---

BTW---we use 'Flat Tire' shuffle a lot around here---but only 2 drummers understand that term, or can play it:rolleyes:

Jetlag, Goldenstrat---GREAT description and example!!!---I like "when My Heart Beats Like a Hammer"---a bit different, I know
ac

mikelaw

09-23-2006, 08:28 AM

flat tires are the bomb they keep things moving. great with tbone walker songs. bb king shuffle, the only person ive heard call that is ryan hartt so maybe he has a better idea and can explain? i would love to know myself too!

Schwalbe

09-23-2006, 11:46 AM

Another one is a knocking-on shuffle - meaning a shuffle with the She's Tuff guitar riff, usually in 'E' or 'A'- is that a term you guys use?
'Round here we call that a Spread. When Mr. Ross was out here he called it a march.

zappafrank

09-23-2006, 12:11 PM

'Round here we call that a Spread. When Mr. Ross was out here he called it a march.

Whoa---I'd be looking at all of you and going 'WHAT????":rotflmao

It must be a 'regional' thang....

ac

Scott Miller

09-23-2006, 12:31 PM

"...a lumpty lump bass rhythm but with a major scale walk..."

That pretty much sums up my bass playing ability.

RJ calls the "spread" the "Eddie Taylor spread." Maybe it's called a "march" because that's how so many bad drummers end up playing it. Come to think of it, it was RJ who asked for the BB King shuffle, so I'll ask him.

GOLDENSTRAT

09-23-2006, 12:34 PM

I've heard the "march" term before applied to Otis Rush's " So Many Roads" but didn't understand the phrase. Any body use a "reverse swing" in a tune? I seem to hear that kind of a thing with some T-Bone songs but don't know the correct term. fred

mikelaw

09-23-2006, 05:18 PM

yea we call those marches here in the northeast. 'spread' i dont quite understand that one. to me a march ala shes tuff is just a shuffle. to me its all shuffles unless otherwise noted. swings are swings, flattires are flattires, diddley's, surf beats, snare only rudiment surf beats i call texas boogies....ala boom, bapbap, boom boom, bap....boom, bapbap, boom boom, bap.

michael30

09-23-2006, 05:58 PM

Whoa---I'd be looking at all of you and going 'WHAT????":rotflmao

It must be a 'regional' thang....

ac

There's this one band that I'm in which has its own terminology for everything. One type of shuffle is called "determined elephant".

Schwalbe

09-23-2006, 06:11 PM

'spread' i dont quite understand that one Probably has to do with how you spread your hand to get that VI in there on the low strings. It seems reasonable to guess that Bob Bingham came up with that term, Bob or Lynwood might have been the first guy I heard use it. Anyway, if your ever on the bandstand with Mischo or Slim and they call a spread, you'll know what to do. Now if someone can explain a 'Push', I'd appreciate it. It seems like sort of a Wooly Bully kind of groove.

To completely change the subject, I'll be driving to the IBC. Anybody know of some cool weeknight gigs or jams between Memphis and Minneapolis?

Other than that, tonight I'm off to catch Hummel and Billy Boy Arnold at Famous Dave's BBQ, the Chuckie Cheese of the Blues world.

HappyValley

09-23-2006, 09:05 PM

Caught Day One of The Boston Blues Fest today- Fretshop, Mike Welch & Aja in attendance as well; Anson, Ronnie, Darrell Nulisch, Mudcat Ward, Peter Ward, Per Hanson, Matt McCabe, Enrico Crivellaro, Finis Tasby, the list of cats goes on & on;
Anson lived up to his world wide reputation as the nicest guy in the blues; He sounded killer as well. Ronnie sat in w/ Anson & Darrell, sounded great but was fighting major amp/cord/PA problems throughout, sadly.
To me , the real story was Darrell. I've NEVER heard him do what he did today; Don't get me wrong -he's always great, but today - OMIGOD!! Just belting it out....deep.
One of the cooler moments- "Scratch my Back". We've all heard that tune so many times, but the way it kicked in today- Darrells's harp with Anson's tremolo soaked E7 intro on the 'I 'followed by Mudcat/Per/McCabe falling in HUGE on the IV...heaviest I've heard. Just gorgeous. Mudcat & Per were the proverbial 'glue' the whole set.

GOLDENSTRAT

09-23-2006, 11:46 PM

That is very cool Backalley, I am so jealous that you guys up there get to see Ronnie, et al. I don't think that there is a bad Slim Harpo tune- harp, laconic vocals , heavy groove AND tremolo guitar take the cake for me. I recently got Enrico's cd " Key to My Kingdom" , it is cool and slightly different than most guitar guy cds, I really like the trumpet and piano. fred

HappyValley

09-24-2006, 02:37 AM

I recently got Enrico's cd " Key to My Kingdom" , it is cool and slightly different than most guitar guy cds, I really like the trumpet and piano. fred
I met Enrico today for the 1st time and we got along famously, lotsa laughs. Cool dude, he is; He & I both studied here & there w/Ronnie and Duke Robillard, then he went on to study under KENNY BURRELL!! The weird thing is, he and I were both hanging w/ Ronnie back in the early 90's and never met!!
I agree, his record is definitely not a typical " West Coast" trip, but it's HIS thing, which in this day and age is more important than any scene, style, "trip" or what have you. Bummed I can't make Pt. 2 of the fest tomorrow...

Scott Miller

09-24-2006, 02:00 PM

"I don't think that there is a bad Slim Harpo tune..."

Back when I was a kid, and "Scratch My Back" ruled the airwaves, a friend of mine came up with the idea to chuckle softly and smile knowingly (nudge-nudge wink-wink) whenever that song came on, and then roll on the floor laughing when he said "She knows how to scratch." We figured this would make grownups think there was a hidding meaning that only we got.

Come to think of it, there WAS a hidden meaning that WE didn't get.

groove_king

09-24-2006, 05:10 PM

I met Enrico today for the 1st time and we got along famously, lotsa laughs. Cool dude, he is;

I met Enrico a few years ago at a jam that Kirk Fletcher was hosting in Santa Monica. Enrico showed up after rehearsals for the Key album with Bruce Katz in tow. They got up with Kirk, Rick Reed and Ron Felton. After one tune, Kirk stepped off the stage and handed me his guitar. They all gave me the look, you know, "who's this cat?", but I managed to not disgrace myself.

We've stayed in touch ever since. I caught up with him last year when he played a festival with Finis Tasby. After the show I tried to have a conversation with him, but we kept getting interrupted by a LOOONG line of female admirers wanting an autograph ...

Enrico's autograph, not mine ...:)

Yeah, he's a bastard, young, good looking, helluva nice guy and AMAZING guitarist ...

Autopilot Slim

09-24-2006, 09:33 PM

Spot on! You will not meet a nicer guy, and what a player! I've had the pleasure of playing with Enrico a few times. He is coming up to Toronto in a couple of weeks to do some playing and some work in the studio. Should be fun. Matt Schofield is also in town, so it promises to be a very good time.:AOK
And now for some selfish self promotion........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHSUsjbX6M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msmcq0v1808

fretshop

09-25-2006, 07:40 AM

man, you guys are like giving me a total education here...gotta check out Cornell Dupree.

LOVE Wes, GG, CC, etc. I'm listening to Wes doing Stompin' at the Savoy right now, simply amazing.

Fretshop, you're in South Amboy? I'm 10 minutes north in Woodbridge! How's that new bar where Broadway Central used to be? I used to love that place, Wayne was a total trip.....

Hey Dr. Sax !! I grew up partly in Woodbridge/Perth Amboy and in San Jose California. I'll be playing at the Blue Moon on November 11th with Carlos Colina and his Straight Up combo. Carlos is one of the finest, classiest Harp players in the North East, and I am honored to play with him. I'm usually at the Moon most evenings for happy hour and have dinner there about 3-4 nights a week. I've known Wayne since 1973. I was his downstairs bar weekend manager for several years when he owned The Bedroom. The $$ got me through my post graduate studies. C'mon down !!

Enrico Crivallero invited me to play with him tomorrow evening at Mexicalli Blues in Teaneck if the gig gets finalized. I'm waiting for him to call me.

fretshop

09-25-2006, 07:44 AM

'Round here we call that a Spread. When Mr. Ross was out here he called it a march.

When I was in Sonny Rhodes' band...he and Cowboy (Bass player) called it a "Sluffle".

aja

09-25-2006, 08:25 AM

Ronnie, Anson and Darrell were great Saturday. Per hanson on drums was
good too. Fretshop you are the MAN !! Thanks a ton for hooking up the
backstage pass I got some great photos. I can't believe Ronnie's amp
didn't work ,unbelievable !!

Scott Miller

09-25-2006, 11:21 AM

"When I was in Sonny Rhodes' band...he and Cowboy (Bass player) called it a "Sluffle"."

Cowboy occasionally comes out to jams and whatnot around here.

GOLDENSTRAT

09-25-2006, 11:33 AM

After listening to a couple Slim Harpo cds yesterday ( i wonder why?) i was struck that the harmonica sometimes can sound kinda like an accordian in a rhythm situation - "the air going through the chord" like in a slower zydeco tune. I hope we get some pics from the NE blues fest. fred

mikelaw

09-25-2006, 12:28 PM

When I was in Sonny Rhodes' band...he and Cowboy (Bass player) called it a "Sluffle".

you maybe mistaken george, they probably had foods in theys mouth!
:roll

Echo Are

09-25-2006, 12:51 PM

...and then there's that really obscure beat supposedly inspired by a large, elephant-sized creature with a long snout and brown fur. This beat is known as a...Shuffle-upagus.:crazyguy

**Echo Are ducks and runs**

KBR

09-25-2006, 12:55 PM

I forwarded a Good pix of JR, Mitch Kasmir, Larry Taylor at the SFBF, yesterday. Looks like JR was on LA Holmes Green 2 PUP H88.
Dave Orban will post it, I hope, (I just play Blues and don't know how to post pix, yet.
(I liked the Ronnie Squirell name) He is a Heck of a Player.

KBR
:cool: :Devil :cool:

monstermike

09-25-2006, 01:13 PM

Ronnie sat in both days at the Boston fest this weekend and sounded heartbreakingly beautiful. What a blessing to see him out and about and in good shape.

fretshop

09-25-2006, 02:44 PM

George - Did you ever get the pickup I sent?

Frank,

Thank you !!!

Pickup arrived over the weekend while we were in Boston.

fretshop

09-25-2006, 03:19 PM

Ronnie sat in both days at the Boston fest this weekend and sounded heartbreakingly beautiful. What a blessing to see him out and about and in good shape.

We were all delighted that Ronnie and Donna took the time to attend. He could have sat in a corner and played the celebrity, but he walked around the grounds shaking hands and spreading good will. I hope the festival folks do the right thing next year and headline HIM. Ronnie played as well as I've ever heard him play, Anson was in TOP form, and Darryl was beyond superb...it was an absolutely phenomenal show.

Hey, we'll have fun just kicking back in November....Love to Jeanette and Joaquin

Echo Are

09-26-2006, 03:29 AM

Allrighty, folks...how 'bout a heapin-hunka-steamin'-chunka-live-blues-jam recording? This is fellow poster Scott Miller & myself at last night's Murphy's Law(Sunnyvale, CA)weekly blues jam. Scott's on guitar & vocals, I'm on guitar, and Murphy's Jam Master Mike Phillips is thumpin' the bass. Drummer George is on the first song, drummer Mark is on the 2nd tune(gotta get these 2 guys' last names). Check out George's rather unique take on the rhumba beat. I've grown ta like it. That's Scott's guitar kicking off both songs. 'Tis always an honor and a blast for me to get to play with these folks. Nice & raw. Enjoy!

http://www.box.net/public/dihrg4fc5r

dddelta

09-26-2006, 05:47 AM

I put some things up on youtube. I'll post more stuff in the near future.

Here's the first batch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGPhaWCgYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q9_rAoFyFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc65rjhD1HM

mikelaw

09-26-2006, 10:28 AM

kbr, u have photos from sfbluesfest this year>? send them over or post them on this page!

KBR

09-26-2006, 11:20 AM

check your yahoo mail Mike,
KBR

mikelaw

09-26-2006, 11:22 AM

Thought this crew would appreciate this as much as I did. From the new acoustic guitar mag. TBone Burnett live rig. I thought of ducoff w/the reverb tank:

'52 and '53 K161 Thin Twins w/single coils
'56 Kay Barney Kessel
Fulltone Supa-Trem
into Fulltone Tube Tape Echo
One channel into '57 Tremolux amp
Other channel into '64 Fender Black Reverb tank then into '58 Deluxe.

schwing!

ReddRanger

09-26-2006, 11:28 AM

dddelta, that first Kirk Fletcher clip gives me goose bumps. I've just recently discovered him, but I think he is one hell of a player.

zappafrank

09-26-2006, 12:05 PM

dddelta---that is SO fine!---And Jimi Bott's backing Kirk up just as killer as he does everyone---man---Kirk is laying DOWN!---guys like him and our own MMW can just totally inspire you with the deep electric blues that just seems to flow from them like a river most of the time---truly devastating---thanks for posting!!

ac

zappafrank

09-26-2006, 12:40 PM

KBR sent me that Watson w/ Kashmir pic---I think it's gonna be big, but that green Holmstrom stratotone is cool!

G'night, all...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h271/64strat/73k-Jr-n-Mitch_3.jpg

ac

monstermike

09-26-2006, 12:44 PM

Kirk is laying DOWN!---guys like him and our own MMW can just totally inspire you with the deep electric blues that just seems to flow from them like a river most of the time---
ac

Putting me in the same sentence as Kirk Fletcher is the nicest thing I've heard all day. I'm all choked up.

Scott Miller

09-26-2006, 02:31 PM

OK, so watching that Kirk Fletcher thing makes me wonder: How do guys play that powerfully and make it sound GOOD, not like mindless dumbass blues-rock wanking? I mean, I hear a lot of players who are just as intense and technically good, but they make me want to hate blues forever. Well, it's prolly just the mysteries of musicianship, but I wish I could bottle whatever it is they got.

(I guess I should add NTTAWRT. About the mindless dumbass blues-rock wanking, I mean.)

Scott Miller

09-26-2006, 02:38 PM

I love the guitar hand-off to Curran on the IV. Old school!

mikelaw

09-26-2006, 03:03 PM

probably because you know he is kirk fletcher and not some 'guy'. the tbirds are LOUD too! its all in how someone takes it and like kim always says , its in the delivery more then it is the content coming out.

those bitches deliver. and thats why kim uses them.

HappyValley

09-26-2006, 03:07 PM

.....not like mindless dumbass blues-rock wanking? I mean, I hear a lot of players who are just as intense and technically good, but they make me want to hate blues forever.
(I guess I should add NTTAWRT. About the mindless dumbass blues-rock wanking, I mean.)

Scott - Thank you- You just singlehandedly articulated the reasons why the scene hasn't developed and the clubs can't stay open -they HIRE the aforementioned wanksters! And guess what? The audience leaves "hating blues forever"!! Well said, me hombre. Note: The reason this thread thrives so is 'cause of like - minded gents like yerself...

mikelaw

09-26-2006, 03:32 PM

amen!

i have local comedian friends and clubs booking comedians ONLY use agents because most comedians are awful. I think the only way for us to seperate the good and bad blues bands unfortuneately is a good agent.

Now open for business, MIKE LAW'S ROOTS MUSIC BOOKING AGENCY! :)
joking. Although maybe one day.....

dddelta

09-26-2006, 03:50 PM

No problems with the videos. Glad you all are enjoying them. I have more to put up there but it's time consuming. I have a good Junior Watson gig from the same fest in Spain from the year before. Sax Gordon and Harman played on the same stage. I'm sure I posted some pics of it before. Some great stuff to post on youtube. I'll let y'all know.
Yeah the intesity and feel from all the T-Birds that night was a blast. Really inspiring!

Echo Are

09-26-2006, 05:37 PM

[quote=Scott Miller]OK, so watching that Kirk Fletcher thing makes me wonder: How do guys play that powerfully and make it sound GOOD, not like mindless dumbass blues-rock wanking? I mean, I hear a lot of players who are just as intense and technically good, but they make me want to hate blues forever. Well, it's prolly just the mysteries of musicianship, but I wish I could bottle whatever it is they got.

Well....maybe in the not-too-distant future, when DNA extraction becomes an everyday thing, and those genes of Mr. Fletcher that give him the ability to play guitar like that can be copied.......but, yeah, it gets downright Star Trekkian at this point,lol. In the videos, it looks to me like that kind of playing comes naturally to Kirk. He's not having run a constant stream of, say, playlikeBBplaylikeBBplaylikeBBplaylikeBB in his head while soloing.

mikelaw

09-26-2006, 10:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZZJ77Qyhlc

hole in zee wall jam! hash brown and anson funderburgh!

Poppa Stoppa

09-27-2006, 02:03 AM

dddelta - thanks so much for putting up those awesome T-Birds videos!

There's a few new examples of the BB King shuffle appeared (see also part 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWcSc3nPow&NR

mikelaw

09-27-2006, 01:05 PM

zappafrank

09-27-2006, 01:12 PM

valcotone

09-27-2006, 01:23 PM

anyone can tab the typical HUGE single string lockwood/little walter style guitar turnaround? ala almost every walter song? shakedancer...etc.. ducoff tried to show me in person one day but it was impossible....ton of pull offs and all that. i think its all mainly open string stuff. obviously single string stuff too. help? anyone?

haha... is this right??? It's in You're So Fine as well which I've been playing recently:

-/3--2--0----------------------------------
----------/3--2--0------------------3--2---
--------------------/2--0-----------3--2---
---------------------------/3--2----2--1---
------------------------------------3--2---
-------------------------------------------

mikelaw

09-27-2006, 01:39 PM

Thanks Sean! That Is Pretty Much It! Real Close, Right In Front Of My Nose Just Seems Like A Few Extra Pull Offs In There Leading To The Open String Notes There. Great Stuff. It Actually Starts With The Open E String Then To The G... Totally Rockin.

I Havent Listened To Walter In So Long And Today Im Hitting The Vault In The Ipod And All The Great Old Stuff. Man Were These Great Bands. It Knocks Me Out No Matter How Longs Its Been Since I Listened To It! Yummy

monstermike

09-27-2006, 02:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFg78JtiZPY

The tune is interrupted, but it's always great to watch Albert King, and dig his rhythm player...

Oh, and Scott - The way to play that kind of powerful, in-your-face guitar and not sound like mindless wanking is not to wank mindlessly! I'm still trying to figure it out, myself. Check out Kirk's playing - he's playing melodically and in the pocket, developing themes, being sensitive to dynamics, with great touch and time...pretty much all of the things that traditional blues players try to do. He's just hitting it harder and being freer and more expansive with his ideas (and going on a bit, don't you think?). That's Kirk's genius, to me - I would have stopped that first solo about four or five choruses earlier to keep myself in check, but he doesn't seem to have to worry about that!

dddelta

09-27-2006, 03:10 PM

I like the bit in the Wait On Time video when Kirk is playing his solo and Kim Wilson stands looking and watching what he's playing!

Scott Miller

09-27-2006, 03:28 PM

"anyone can tab the typical HUGE single string lockwood/little walter style guitar turnaround?"

How timely. I was just trying to figure that one out yesterday: Got it! no I don't... Got it! no I don't... Got it! no I... DAMMIT!

RJ's jam last night: You haven't heard "raw" until you've heard RJ playing guitar and singing while stomping on the kick drum and high hat. In fact the whole jam was pretty dang raw and low-down. There might have been four or five songs played above 70 bpms, the rest were slow blues and slower blues.

mikelaw

09-27-2006, 03:42 PM

rj is great. tell him i said hello scott!~ i have his dvd with the trio, its pretty badass

Poppa Stoppa

09-27-2006, 05:29 PM

Slightly jazzing up Skilback's version, here is is my attempt at the first turnaround in Shake Dancer. It's hard to show how the fast hammer ons & pull offs go so I've put them in brackets.

Including the count (top line):

--a-2-&--a-----3-&-a--4---&-a----1
E-0-3-0-(2-3-2-0)-------------------------------------------
B----------------/3-2-(0-2-0)-----------3---2---------------
G----------------------------/2-(0-1)----3---2---------------
D----------------------------------/-----2---1--------------
A----------------------------------------3---2--------------
E---------------------------------------------------------

Can anybody improve on that?

Scott Miller

09-27-2006, 08:12 PM

Hey Echo Are, if you played that turnaround, you would blow RJ's mind.
;-)

HappyValley

09-27-2006, 10:29 PM

.......it pops up on a lot of records with Robert Jr, Joe Willie Wilkens, Houston Stackhouse & Willie Johnson playing guitar.

speaking of which...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qAN4-5xX9o

Killer clip! It's amazing how light their touches are; I always picture EVERY Delta guy as having the Son House " rip yer strings off "attack; Keep 'em coming Frank!

As far as Robert Jr's turnarounds, I saw him last week or so and his fingerings and positions on his signature stuff were 100% different than I & every guitar player I know plays them, mainly because his thumb is constantly hitting the 4th, 5th, 6th and sometimes 3rd (?!!) strings to keep an alternate bass. Scary good.

valcotone

09-28-2006, 12:33 AM

Slightly jazzing up Skilback's version, here is is my attempt at the first turnaround in Shake Dancer. It's hard to show how the fast hammer ons & pull offs go so I've put them in brackets.

Including the count (top line):
...
Can anybody improve on that?

Thanks Poppa. I should have mentioned that my version was the Cliff notes approach... :BEER

Echo Are

09-28-2006, 01:11 AM

Hey Echo Are, if you played that turnaround, you would blow RJ's mind.
;-)

Scott, yeah, lol, actually it would've fit right in with the overall vibe and sound created by RJ's guitar/kick drum/hi-hat combination playing. Mr. Mischo's gettin' pretty good at doing swampy old-timey blues guitar--in the key of E, anyway :rolleyes:. Although, I thought I heard him play guitar in another key last week, I'm not sure.

fretshop

09-28-2006, 11:57 AM

Hey Mike, - Do you have his new record? Pretty cool stuff. Can't say I really dig the actually songs (or lyrics), but it sounds great and they really hit on some cool grooves. Plus, Marc Ribot on guitar (who I think plays most of the cool stuff on the record). The last Black Rebel Motorcycle Club album T-Bone produced was one of my favorite records last year. I really dug the sound/production on that album. Anyway, back to the blues talk....

Frank, Marc Ribot is IMO one of the finest left coast session men in the business. He's got one of the most impressive resumes in the session and live circuits. George (G.E.) Smith and Vic Juris both told me years ago that Ribot is one of the best.

Poppa Stoppa

09-28-2006, 12:45 PM

Thanks Poppa. I should have mentioned that my version was the Cliff notes approach... :BEERCliff notes Sean...?:confused:

Strat-O

09-28-2006, 01:06 PM

Ribot is soooo talented. I discovered him through Tom Waits. I have never heard the Rootless Cosmopolitans discs. They would have to be pretty good it seems.

Autopilot Slim

09-28-2006, 01:09 PM

Here's a couple of nice Robert Jr.things I've heard Mr Fletcher use.

On the turn,

E-------0-2-3-4-0------------0--
B--0--2-----------0-------------
G---------2-3-4-----3-2--0(1)---
D--------------------------------
A--------------------------------
E--------------------------------

and another, going to the V,

E--------------------1-------
B--2-3-4-0-----------0-------
G----------2---------2-------
D------------4-0(1)--1-------
A------------------2----------
E-----------------------------