West Coast Blues Thread - Version 2.0

[Poppa Stoppa]

The sax player walked up out of nowhere on my t-bone thing. ...Sounded more like a Melodica!

[KBR]

In action for a bit:

http://www.redoakmusic.net/to-kenny/kenny-videos.html

[fretshop]

Aja - a swingy 12 bar blues can be played with two 1-6-2-5's:
C/// C/// C/// C///
F/// F/// C/// A7///
Dm7/// G7/// C/A7/ Dm7/G7/

...for the first bar of A7 most players doing this style substitute Em7/D#m7/

Really liked your recordings from the jam, by the way, you're playing some great blues there. A strat?

Fretshop - what lap steel do you use for 'Sleepwalk'? An 8-string? Tuning?

Thanks to you guys for your input to my 'which amp?' musings a while back. I ended up with a 1x15, 2x6L6 35w Victorilux with reverb and trem...a bit more powerful than I'd envisaged but a hell of a good sounding amp, probably the best I've ever owned. Getting some fantastic tonery out of it. Got a Clark Gainster as well, just finding all the sweet spots the two can deliver - it's a whole new sonic world. It's bringing my 335 to life too.

I don't use an 8 string for general club use. Saturday evening, I used a late 40's 6 string Mother of Toilet Seat Supro Supreme with the string through pickup. I wanted to keep things up-beat and simple. The lap steel can be a truly mesmerizing instrument.

[aja]

lol I know poppa, that guy is always at that jam and will just walk up when your playing it ruins it for me at least. I think its a soprano sax ? One like coltrane played. It looks like a clarinet.

That buddy/junior clip is on a DVD called chicago blues thats worth searching for. It also has footage of buddy with muddy.

[ES350]

So I had my second Duke Robillard guitar class yesterday and it was good.
We went over a 1,6,2,5 progression which is new to me. What songs do that ?


aka rhythm changes...swing 101.

[Scott Miller]

rhythm changes:

Cottontail
Lester Leaps In
Cloudburst

many others.

In addition, you hear those changes in many jump blues tunes, and even some T-Bone, and I think that Sonny Boy tune about peaches uses rhythm changes.

6-2-5 is also used a lot instead of 5-4, for example:

Hold it
Move up to the country and paint my mailbox blue

1-6-2-5 makes a great vamp for taking out a I-IV-V. The danger is that it makes you want to say cheesey things to the audience, such as:

I hope we've played your requests...
the songs you like to hear...
Last call for alcohol!...
Drink it up folks...
Wonderful!...
Nice to see you Bob, how's it going?
How's your kids?...
Wonderful!...
Nice to see you, yes...
Oh, Bill Bailey?...
Ah we'll get to that to- morrow night...
Caravan with a drum solo?...
right!...
We'll do that!...
Wonderful!...
Nice to see you again!...
Yeah!...la, la, la...
Down at the Pompadour A-Go-Go!!...
Vo-do-de-oo-pee-pee...
Shoobe-doot 'n-dadada, ada-da-dahhh ...
Nya-da-da, nya-da-da...
'nite all!...

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Scott, I didn't know they had wi-fi at the Holiday Inn lounge. fred

[mikelaw]

the realdeal here fellas. costello with his new trio lineup!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbH-X08V1Do

[pete kanaras]

the realdeal here fellas. costello with his new trio lineup!

yeah man. and sean's version of "have you no shame", on the same page from smith's olde bar, is just wonderful. so soulful.

[Birdseye]

Thanks for posting the SC video Mike. He's great with the trio. We shared the bill with those guys at a festival this summer, and they had a club gig for two nights, after-fest parties. What a great time! Listening to Sean just bringin' it for two long club gigs was unforgettable. He's as good as it gets right now, just incredible.

Here's Sean at the club, playing my strat.

http://www.flatbrokebluesband.com/album/Sean%20C%201.jpg

[Echo Are]

Well, I think I'll throw this mp3 into the ring. I had the honor of sharing a stage with an amazing singer named John Nemeth. About 2 months ago, he was filling in for R.J. Mischo at R.J.'s Tuesday night Mojo Lounge jam. Here are 2 songs from that jam that I recorded with my stealth mp3 unit. The garage-y barb wire-y Tele is yours truly :o.
http://www.box.net/public/7rpdb8zrrr

[musicofanatic5]

Tell me if this isn't the greatest clip of Junior Wells & Buddy Guy. They both play great, and the way Junior reaches over and mutes the guitar at the end of the solos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy9Uy7QZf4Y&mode=related&search=
I LOVE Junior reaching over and, bbrraaaaaanck!, grabs Buddy's neck, "That's enough!!"; whatta riot! What love between those fellas!

[Dave Orban]

I LOVE Junior reaching over and, bbrraaaaaanck!, grabs Buddy's neck, "That's enough!!"; whatta riot! What love between those fellas!

I can't tell you the number of times *I've* wanted to reach over and do that to Buddy while he was soloing... :eek:

LOL!

[mikelaw]

birdseye, that must have been right before he told me he really wanted an affordable strat to buy! he probably liked it so much.!!! haha

in thinking about buying a goldtop im wondering if the 54 wraparound is really bad intonation wise? id love a 54 reissue instead of the 56. any thoughts?

[rhartt1234]

Aja- 1-6-2-5 is the classic I Got Rhythm Changes progression when played a 1/2 bar ea. in a swing groove; the same chords played on a 12/8 feel is a classic mid-slow R&B/ R&R progression. The difference being the bridge on both... 3-6-2-5 on the rhythm changes & a usually variation of a 4-1-2-5 on the R&B side...

I know there's a ton of substitutions but what chord shapes are you guys using for a standard Rhythm Changes? I sit down and work on it every once in a while with the Mickey Baker book and the Duke book among others, but I've never quite got it, especially the turnaround on both sections.

[Dave Orban]

birdseye, that must have been right before he told me he really wanted an affordable strat to buy! he probably liked it so much.!!! haha

in thinking about buying a goldtop im wondering if the 54 wraparound is really bad intonation wise? id love a 54 reissue instead of the 56. any thoughts?You want the wrap tailpiece.

A properly set-up wrap intonates just fine, and for those who think they need more, there are plenty of aftermarket options for either compensated or intonatable wrap tailpieces out there.

The wrap tailpieces have MUCH better sound than the tuneomatics, IMO... ;)

[aja]

Ryan , I'm so used to first position chords that that has been what I've been using.When duke was showing us he was using second position chords. Which actually will be easier once I learn them because he only changes a few notes to get to the next chord.

[pete kanaras]

The wrap tailpieces have MUCH better sound than the tuneomatics, IMO...

agreed. tuna-matic "rattle" is a major reason i've never gotten into gibsons all that much.

[TwoFeets]

You want the wrap tailpiece.

A properly set-up wrap intonates just fine, and for those who think they need more, there are plenty of aftermarket options for either compensated or intonatable wrap tailpieces out there.

The wrap tailpieces have MUCH better sound than the tuneomatics, IMO... ;)

Had a tobaccoburst 1974 LP Special 55 reissue with P90's and wraparound. It was my first real guitar. No real intonation problems if it's set up properly, agreed. My Tokai has stop/tuneamatic on it and I like it just fine, also.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Ryan/Aja - the only cool chord I've got for the turnaround is for the 6 - ( in key of E)
----------------------
---0---2----2---2---2
---1---1----3---2---1
---2---x----2---1---2
---2---x----x---2---2
---0---1----2---x---0

Someone please post some more cooler chords, thanks, fred

[Poppa Stoppa]

Hmmm...is this Groundhog Day, blues style?

Zappafrank - re my buddy Chris getting a lot of dep gigs - I meant he gets asked to deputise for other guitar players a lot. Basically he's the harp players' stand-in guitarist of choice.

[zappafrank]

Hmmm...is this Groundhog Day, blues style?

Zappafrank - re my buddy Chris getting a lot of dep gigs - I meant he gets asked to deputise for other guitar players a lot. Basically he's the harp players' stand-in guitarist of choice.

Groundhog day indeed, Poppa---and I had posted a LOT of stuff last night!---Figures:rolleyes: ----Thanks for clearing the 'dep' thing up---he's got that bigass tone--

Fretshop/George---please email/pm me with your phone# again---I have some questions about amps I was hoping to talk w/you about---

And again---RIP Mr. Lockwood----thank you for all that beautifully elegant music you showed us---He truly was the real link and thread through all the styles of blues we love. His contributions are unfathomable, and he is as close to the source of it all as anyone I can possibly think of. I expect to listen to his music till the end of MY days---

ac

[zappafrank]

Oh yeah---I'm going to have Don Mare wind me some beefed up Watson strat pickups for my Pee Wee...that means I will have a set of JM Rolph's
Vintage Pretender 1956 Strat pickups available----great pickups, as we all know---but that Pee Wee is just a bit heavier than medium, and could use a boost in output from the pickups to bring it more alive---after getting my Tele pickups, I know Mare can get me there---anyone with a lighter, more resonant strat than my Pee Wee, would really dig these Rolph's, Im sure!!!

ac

[GOLDENSTRAT]

This weeks Blueswax has a good interview with Robert Lockwood Jr. complete with soundbites. He certainly added alot to our music with his high musical and ethical standards. Hearing and meeting him was definitely one of the highlights of my musical life.
ZappaFrank, my buddy Tom has some Rolphs in a strat and they sound pretty fat and big. Wouldn't it better to get another strat and keep them?
I sure wish I could have been in Calif. for that Harmonica blow-out , sounds like a dream.
Fretshop , how much work is it to finish a neck from USAcustom after you get it? I am better working with metal than wood. Also, what tuning do you use on your lap steel? I seem to keep resorting to open E , cause it takes too much restraint and thinnin' to use C6.
Happy T-day all. fred

[Strat-O]

Weird. Seems like five or six pages just disappeared.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

I think the server blinked today and they probably lost all data since the last time they backed it up. fred

[TwoFeets]

Bummer.

To get back to matters at hand, RIP Robert.

[mikelaw]

looking forward to seeing you tonight 2feets!!!!!

[Short Bus]

Hey Feets,

What bridge are you using on your FatDog? I need to replace the bridge on my Jay Turser.

If anybody else has recommendations on a bridge for an ES-175 copy, I'd love to hear it.

Have a good time tonight guys!

[dukeh62]

I will have a set of JM Rolph's
Vintage Pretender 1956 Strat pickups availableac

AC...Shoot me an email on those Rolphs. I'm definitely interested!

[TwoFeets]

looking forward to seeing you tonight 2feets!!!!!

Likewise, Mike!

"Welcome to Worcestah - dollah twenny five bishop."

[TwoFeets]

Hey Feets,

What bridge are you using on your FatDog? I need to replace the bridge on my Jay Turser.

If anybody else has recommendations on a bridge for an ES-175 copy, I'd love to hear it.

Have a good time tonight guys!

The Fatdog came stock with a Schaller roller bridge but I thought it sucked tone. I've got an AllParts tune-a-matic with brass saddles on it now and it's worked well for me for a few years now. I've thought about going to a compensated rosewood bridge but decided not to, what with the Bigsby and all.

[valcotone]

RIP, RL Jr. I think it was pretty cool that he was still actively playing and touring in the last few years... even his website is up to date and represents him well.

Say hi to Little Walter and Sonny Boy. :angel

[valcotone]

On the gear front... I just ordered a set of Don Mare strat pickups, same as the JW set but with a slightly hotter bridge pup!! I can't wait to hear 'em.


Also just ordered the limited live CD from Delta Groove - anyone heard it yet?

[Short Bus]

The Fatdog came stock with a Schaller roller bridge but I thought it sucked tone. I've got an AllParts tune-a-matic with brass saddles on it now and it's worked well for me for a few years now. I've thought about going to a compensated rosewood bridge but decided not to, what with the Bigsby and all.

The Turser came with a rosewood bridge. But that wore out faster than an Yngwie solo.

I got a tune-a-matic from stewmac. The guy who installed it did a bad job slotting the saddles. It won't stay in tune for nuttin'. I've since learned that this guy is a better amp tech than guitar tech. Live and learn.

Thanks for the info!

[TwoFeets]

The Turser came with a rosewood bridge. But that wore out faster than an Yngwie solo.

I got a tune-a-matic from stewmac. The guy who installed it did a bad job slotting the saddles. It won't stay in tune for nuttin'. I've since learned that this guy is a better amp tech than guitar tech. Live and learn.

Thanks for the info!

That same guy ordered and installed the tune-a-matic on my guitar and it's been fine; he's worked on all my stuff for years and I haven't had any real issues... also done a good job on a couple of friends' very cantankerous vintage Gretsches. Go figure. I guess everyone has bad days, just stinks when it's with your stuff!

Maybe try Doug and Bill at Guitar Factory but be prepared to wait a while to get it back; otherwise the guy through Guitar Den is pretty good from what I can tell. I've played a couple of his homebrew Teles and they're set up impeccably.

Speaking of Yngwie (among other things that when you woke up this morning you never expected to see in the WCB thread!) I'm at home in Boston for the weekend and ran across a stack of my old Guitar For the Practicing Musician magazines from the late 80's. I was leafing through and there's an Yngwie interview in one of them in which he accuses everyone of trying to play "just like me but their playing is all just fast playing without any soul." Hilarious!

[zappafrank]

AC...Shoot me an email on those Rolphs. I'm definitely interested!

Eric---will do---later, though---I'm off to see Little Charlie---and gigging tomorrow---plus, I still have to get the Pee Wee back from my friend and give em' a last listen and workout before I say bye-bye to the Rolph's definitively--
That Pee Wee just seems to need a bit of 'bounciness', like my other 2 have---I think a Pickup change may do the trick---Otherwise, The Pee Wee is GREAT!

Sorry I missed yer call, Two Feets!!---Happy belated Turkey day and 4-day weekend!
ac

[zappafrank]

On the gear front... I just ordered a set of Don Mare strat pickups, same as the JW set but with a slightly hotter bridge pup!! I can't wait to hear 'em.


Also just ordered the limited live CD from Delta Groove - anyone heard it yet?

Sean--Give me your best review!!!

ac

[TwoFeets]

Last night was a blast! Derek Ducoff, Brian Hartt, BJ on the bass and Nick Toscani on the drums were just sensational.

They were cool enough to let the lunatics run the asylum for a while... So Alex James on guitar tore it up, Mike Laws on the bass and whatever else he could pick up, Nick Carrington on guitar, and this guy Melvin on harp. Even had a surprise appearance from Dino Dostoevsky from Roomful of Blues on bass. Hell even this Florida boy got to stretch it out a little bit. Lots of fun!

I'm Rob Mullen reporting for TGP WCB news.

[mikelaw]

lol!!!!!!!!! haaaaaaaaaa

[mikelaw]

so funny!!!!! any photos rob?

[fretshop]

This weeks Blueswax has a good interview with Robert Lockwood Jr. complete with soundbites. He certainly added alot to our music with his high musical and ethical standards. Hearing and meeting him was definitely one of the highlights of my musical life.
ZappaFrank, my buddy Tom has some Rolphs in a strat and they sound pretty fat and big. Wouldn't it better to get another strat and keep them?
I sure wish I could have been in Calif. for that Harmonica blow-out , sounds like a dream.
Fretshop , how much work is it to finish a neck from USAcustom after you get it? I am better working with metal than wood. Also, what tuning do you use on your lap steel? I seem to keep resorting to open E , cause it takes too much restraint and thinnin' to use C6.
Happy T-day all. fred

It's 7:40Pm EST. I'm, doing a last minute commercial/jingle set-up session at the Jamrrom and I'm taking a break. Lapsteel...it depends on the lap steel... 6 or 8 string ? I use several tunings depending on what I'm doing. For generic stuff using a 6 string lap steel you can get by very well with an open E. Try a modifed E-6 for certain Western Swing tunes. If I'm playing with fiddles and a country western style "honkey-TonK" piano (ala Patsy Cline, Del Webb...Hank Williams etc)....then I'll go to an 8 string, and I may choose another tuning so that all the instruments can solo within a comfortable range.

For straight Blues ala Sonny Rhodes, Hop wilson etc....you can't go wrong wtih open E.

Electric and resonator guitar open tunings are another story...I use several tunings.

I also use a Diddley Bow which I built myself off hand written instructions I got from Buddy Guy in 1973. I electrified it...and It's wicked !!

11/27/06 7:00AM : The neck must be fine sanded with up to 320 grit "Between the Coats" Stearated sandpaper, washed with acetone or lacquer thinner, then you can apply a coat of two of sealer, then a few coats of lacquer. Pick up some Deft brushing lacquer at Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart...whatever. Buy the proper brushes and it'll work fine. You have to put enough coats on so that you can sand and level the finish off and buff it. Like all lacquers, you have to let it cure well before the final sanding and buffing. There was a shop in Lower Manhattan that assembled Fender knock offs until last year. Deft was allegedly part of the routine. It has a nice feel to it once it's cured. Your other option is to go to Guitar Re-Ranch and order his products. He also has a very good tutorial on his site.

[fretshop]

Jetlag / KBR / Straight Blues : My '66 Reverberocket II arrived early in the week. Apart from some surface grim on the grille cloth...which came off, the amp is cosmetically factory M-I-N-T. Dennis Kager repaired the Reverb tank and the neon on-off bulb. I cleaned up the Jensen P-12-Q, and it ain't so bad. It's not a P-12N or a P12-P, but it'll do.. I did about four speaker swaps with heavier duty speakers, and the amp got louder, and WAY cleaner...not for blues or Jump/swing. So I re-installed the P-12-Q (non-original), and I'm looking for a P-12-R that won't bankrupt me. The amp nails the 60's Otis Rush sides, which were, BTW, recorded with a non-reverb Ampeg...got it right from the master's mouth. Click on the reverb...Sam Maghett at Theresa's. Not alot of power, only 18 real watts, but tone to the bone. (Class A-B Cathode Bias).

Dennis did a very basic mod in the tone stack to increase the over all bass response, because when the treble is turned up...it begins to shunt the bass out.

BTW...it looks like there's plenty of room to cut the baffle for a 15" speaker.

Final Note: It ain't for everybody. I'm using it out tonight, and will report later...that is, for any members who don't believe using non-tweed is a mortal sin.

Ciao-4-Now,

G-Man

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Thanks Fretshop, my 60's Jet does seem to have less bass response than I'd like when you get the tone up to 6-7 where the amp seems to open up a little more. The tremolo is also very intense which I bet could be fixed with a resisitor swap somewhere. Have fun tonight, Fred

[Dave Orban]

Jetlag / KBR / Straight Blues : My '66 Reverberocket II arrived early in the week. Apart from some surface grim on the grille cloth...which came off, the amp is cosmetically factory M-I-N-T. Dennis Kager repaired the Reverb tank and the neon on-off bulb. I cleaned up the Jensen P-12-Q, and it ain't so bad. It's not a P-12N or a P12-P, but it'll do.. I did about four speaker swaps with heavier duty speakers, and the amp got louder, and WAY cleaner...not for blues or Jump/swing. So I re-installed the P-12-Q (non-original), and I'm looking for a P-12-R that won't bankrupt me. The amp nails the 60's Otis Rush sides, which were, BTW, recorded with a non-reverb Ampeg...got it right from the master's mouth. Click on the reverb...Sam Maghett at Theresa's. Not alot of power, only 18 real watts, but tone to the bone. (Class A-B Cathode Bias).

Dennis did a very basic mod in the tone stack to increase the over all bass response, because when the treble is turned up...it begins to shunt the bass out.

BTW...it looks like there's plenty of room to cut the baffle for a 15" speaker.

Final Note: It ain't for everybody. I'm using it out tonight, and will report later...that is, for any members who don't believe using non-tweed is a mortal sin.

Ciao-4-Now,

G-ManWhere were you playing tonight, George...?

I just got back from an acoustic duo gig for some guy's 50th, at a 200-acre farm with a 200+ year-old stone farmhouse. Man, these folks had a LOT of money, believe you me...!

[jetlag]

Jetlag / KBR / Straight Blues : My '66 Reverberocket II arrived early in the week. Apart from some surface grim on the grille cloth...which came off, the amp is cosmetically factory M-I-N-T. Dennis Kager repaired the Reverb tank and the neon on-off bulb. I cleaned up the Jensen P-12-Q, and it ain't so bad. It's not a P-12N or a P12-P, but it'll do.. I did about four speaker swaps with heavier duty speakers, and the amp got louder, and WAY cleaner...not for blues or Jump/swing. So I re-installed the P-12-Q (non-original), and I'm looking for a P-12-R that won't bankrupt me. The amp nails the 60's Otis Rush sides, which were, BTW, recorded with a non-reverb Ampeg...got it right from the master's mouth. Click on the reverb...Sam Maghett at Theresa's. Not alot of power, only 18 real watts, but tone to the bone. (Class A-B Cathode Bias).


Ciao-4-Now,

G-Man

Very cool Jorge. Congrads. Give me a buzz so we can talk speakers for you. Are you really looking for a P12R? Or did you mean P12P/P12N?

[TwoFeets]

so funny!!!!! any photos rob?

Rats - no. I tried to nab a few with my camera phone but it was too dark. Like an idiot I didn't bring my camera, though I know Alec and Eric were both snapping some photos, so maybe some of those will see the light of day,

[TwoFeets]

Weren't we talking about single cut wrap tailpiece LP's a while back?

http://www.guitarjapan.com/edwards/spec/e-ls-85lt.html

[Scott Miller]

I saw Magic Slim last night. That was the hardest-hitting blues I've seen for a long time.

[mikelaw]

i saw gov't mule last night. got all access and watched from the stage. amazingly enough stage volume was less then lots of local blues acts in the area!

got to respect a band that plays in arenas but still get a nice soft stage sound! great stuff

[dukeh62]

Hey Boys!

Well, despite learning that our "home" club is no longer doing live music on Friday, we happened to have a KILLER time at another establishment with the help of Mike Law, Aja, TwoFeets and a host of other characters. Can't thank you guys enough for coming out. You all sounded fantastic. As promised, here are some pics: http://www.ericducoff.com/J.J.%27s.html

[fretshop]

Very cool Jorge. Congrads. Give me a buzz so we can talk speakers for you. Are you really looking for a P12R? Or did you mean P12P/P12N?


We had a P-12R in the Geminis and RR's, it sounded O.K., and over loaded nicely. Dennis told me that is was the stock speaker in most of those amps for a while. I'm afraid that I'm gonna get hit hard $$$ for either the P12-N or P12-P.

The P-12Q ain't that bad really. I can live with it until I find something else. What I don't like about it, is that it's VERY clean, and lacks the EQ that I'm looking for. I tried some newer Eminences with larger magnets....and the amp turned into a Jazz guitar rig. I plugged a Super 400 in, and it sounded gorgeous...but not what I need (ie) lots of headroom and NO breakup. The RR 2 is actually pushing only around 18 real watts, so it has its limitations. I'll use if for a while, and if it doesn't thrill me, I'll e-bay it out.

[aja]

Awesome pics !! That was another fun night !! Twofeets your great man, loved your playing. And when Ryan was making drinks
while playing was great !!

[dukeh62]

The P-12Q ain't that bad really. I can live with it until I find something else. What I don't like about it, is that it's VERY clean, and lacks the EQ that I'm looking for.

Georgey...I've got a reissue P12Q in a cab that I run my Masco through and it gets downright FILTHY. I do believe it had some break in time...so you might just want to wait it out to see how it breaks in. Just a thought...

[TwoFeets]

Awesome pics !! That was another fun night !! Twofeets your great man, loved your playing. And when Ryan was making drinks
while playing was great !!

Likewise, man! You sounded good last year at the Hash Brown show and now you're even light years ahead of where you were at then. Great tasteful stuff.

BIG BIG thanks are definitely in order to Ryan too, for hanging in there for the vocal and harp duty while all of the Cavalcade of Guitarists rotated in and out of the lineup.

[jetlag]

The RR 2 is actually pushing only around 18 real watts, so it has its limitations. I'll use if for a while, and if it doesn't thrill me, I'll e-bay it out.

Geroge, 18 watts can surprise you. That's about all TV pros put out, and they are working with a P15N speaker! Regarding P12Ps and P12Ns, the bargains are in the black, brown or silver organ pulls - or the off brand variations of the jensens - heppner, rola etc. Some are also pulls from theatre speaker cabs. I have a black Rola 12 that's exactly like a real early jensen P12N that I got cheap off ebay. You just have to be careful that it's not some goofy looking cone or coaxial, two way thing, whizzer dust cover etc. Or better yet, already reconed by someone "good."

BTW, I did my best last night to play as many Robert Jr licks that I could think of in memory of his passing. I picked yet another E turnaround/walkdown lick from him this weekend that I used quite a bit last night. I'd detail it out, but I'm afraid that w/o a guitar in hand, I'll mess it up. Maybe I'll post something later if anyone is interested. If you all haven't read the Margolin interview with him on Blueswax, by all means do so. It's a good read. Robert swears he played both the low and high parts on My Babe. That the low part was overdubbed later!

[Poppa Stoppa]

BTW, I did my best last night to play as many Robert Jr licks that I could think of in memory of his passing. I picked yet another E turnaround/walkdown lick from him this weekend that I used quite a bit last night. I'd detail it out, but I'm afraid that w/o a guitar in hand, I'll mess it up. Maybe I'll post something later if anyone is interested. If you all haven't read the Margolin interview with him on Blueswax, by all means do so. It's a good read. Robert swears he played both the low and high parts on My Babe. That the low part was overdubbed later!Jetlag I'd be interested in that turnaround...

'My Babe' is a strange tune - it swings so hard, yet neither the drums nor the guitar seem to be doing anything...that's the talent of Robert Jr & those guys I guess.

[ES350]

I cut a new baffle for my Gemini I for 2x10"---a little more bass and definitely more volume and cut. Using alnico Weber Sig 10's or Emi blueframes...I love it, but it's still not gigable unless you have a very controlled band as far as stage volume.

[groove_king]

Awesome pics !! That was another fun night !! Twofeets your great man, loved your playing. And when Ryan was making drinks
while playing was great !!

Great photos Eric and guys! I love the photos where Ryan is making drinks - with the bartender in close scrutiny! Gotta beware when a harp player is behind your bar!:roll

[valcotone]

PSA:

Jeff Scott on KUCI.org (available via streaming MP3) is doing a 1-hour tribute to Robert Lockwood Jr. on his Blues Disease show right now...

[jetlag]

Regarding that afformentioned article: I love what Robert Jr had to say about harp players, an amusing twist on things we guitarists usually get blamed for .........

" I like harp players, but uh, harp players, OK, but now what's happenin' here is, the 90% of the harp players wants to play louder than everybody, and I just don't think that's quite fair. If you got somebody else playin' with you, why not let somebody else be heard?" :roll

Need more be said? Oh wait, maybe ...... :moon

[valcotone]

jet - I never heard that quote, that's funny as hell!! Just consider most of the 50's chicago recordings and this rings true!

:eek:

[jetlag]

Sean, a GREAT BIG thanks for reminding me of Jeff Scott's show today. He's playing all kinds of stuff with Robert Jr that I don't have. A great show! Thanks again.

[Schwalbe]

Well, despite learning that our "home" club is no longer doing live music on Friday, Wow! Eric, sorry to hear about the home club. We've had a rash of that around here. The Viking Bar closed in August, the Whiskey Jct. last month, both places I had work off and on for 20 some years. Neumann's, a place that was once a very musician friendly joint has dropped live music in favor of a DJ.
We used to have invitational jams at Neumann's when ever Jon Ross was in town.
At least the photos from the gig look like you guys are having some fun.
:BEER

[musicofanatic5]

Neumann's, a place that was once a very musician friendly joint has dropped live music in favor of a DJ.
We used to have invitational jams at Neumann's when ever Jon Ross was in town.
At least the photos from the gig look like you guys are having some fun.
:BEER

No, say it ain't so! Neumann's?!? Now I know not to even bother coming out there. Well, no, I gotta see y'all sometime. Whatta drag...

[fretshop]

Check out the Skip Simmons Masco ME-27 on E-Bay : # 140057595290. I just bought the Ampeg....and now this baby goes up for sale...oh well.

[aja]

Are you around Monster Mike ? Me and a friend were considering coming out
to your jam at Johnny D's Sunday but wanted to make sure you are hosting.

Oh yea one more thing too. I watched Waits with Robillard last night it was killer. And guess what guitar Waits had. Yup
a harmony stratotone.

[jetlag]

Check out the Skip Simmons Masco ME-27 on E-Bay : # 140057595290. I just bought the Ampeg....and now this baby goes up for sale...oh well.

George, I met that guy (Chilli from Chile) at a gig last month. Just moved up from Florida. Real nice guy. He brought that amp out but never sat in so I didn't get to hear it. Skip sure does nice work. I didn't know Chilli was getting started in the harp mic biz though. Wow, we'll have two of 'em in the KC area.

[valcotone]

re: Ribot with Tom Waits... I not very familiar with Tom's work, but have been listening to the first CD from his new 3CD release. On some tracks you can clearly hear the recognizably fat tone of an H44 Stratotone. Ribot does some nice unusual playing on this disc.

[Scott Miller]

Currently listening to Pee Wee Crayton tear it up on a live Roy Brown CD. I think he (Pee Wee) might be the Father of West Coast Blues Guitar, if there is one. You could plop him down in an RJ Mischo jam and he would fit right in.

[valcotone]

Currently listening to Pee Wee Crayton tear it up on a live Roy Brown CD. I think he (Pee Wee) might be the Father of West Coast Blues Guitar, if there is one. You could plop him down in an RJ Mischo jam and he would fit right in.

Scott - What's the CD title, or is it a boot?

[Scott Miller]

It says "Roy Brown Live!" and then there is a whole lot of liner notes in Japanese. Label might be P-Vine, or Blues Interactions. Har! It has lyrics in English.

[HappyValley]

re: Ribot with Tom Waits... I not very familiar with Tom's work, but have been listening to the first CD from his new 3CD release. On some tracks you can clearly hear the recognizably fat tone of an H44 Stratotone. Ribot does some nice unusual playing on this disc.

Wanna hear all H-44 all the time? Get John Hammond's "Wicked Grin" ; KILLER record of Hammond covering Waits' stuff, w/Waits himself in tow. H-44's used EXCLUSIVELY, including Larry Taylor's bass parts, on most tracks. Sold my Stratotone to you though,SK....:cool:!! The best thing about that record is the vocals & tunes....

[Poppa Stoppa]

Love Pee Wee Crayton! Found a reference to that album on Amazon as a P-Vine import, none in stock!

Was doing some YouTube trawling and found this cool vid of T-Bone Walker with Dizzy Gillespie. I dug how Diz's group played the rock n roll section in the middle:
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Y_uEcCzLhpE

Also found a short clip of local (London) mainstay Big Joe Louis doing 'Stoop Down Mama':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDELTT_AYiQ
'Stoop down baby, let your daddy see, you got somethin down there baby, worries the hell outta me'. I like the singing and harp on that one. Not sure where he got that number, whether it's cover or an original, but he's been adding to the lyrics for years.

[fretshop]

Finally....!!! I've been mentioning Marc Ribot forever...guess it finally caught on. He's also on both the N.Y. and L.A. studio "A" list.

[Dave Orban]

Finally....!!! I've been mentioning Marc Ribot forever...guess it finally caught on. He's also on both the N.Y. and L.A. studio "A" list.Great player...! :dude

[zappafrank]

I've seen Waits twice---Mule variations tour---smokey Hormel was utterly brilliant---as was the whole show---just the best live performance I've ever been to. Period.---and saw him when I was in High School---78 or 79---again, memorable above almost all other shows--BIG fan here---have all studio recordings and some boots--

I guess I like the Hormel/Gore guitar work over Ribot's---just a personal taste thing---and Wicked Grin is a GREAT album---good way to get into Tom's music if his vocals are hard on you---Hammond does a great job, and the whole CD chugs along menacingly---as it should!

aja--- Is he on tour again? I'd love to see him w/ Robillard!

Scott---where can I find that Roy Brown Live w/ Pee Wee!!!???---that sounds very cool! i think i NEED that!

ac

[fretshop]

Great player...! :dude

Smokey Hormel is also a fabulous player and an inspiration. One of my all time favorite movies is the independent film, "Y Tu Mama Tambien", starring Maribel Verdu. Hormel did the title track to the film. Genius. I also study Central and South American music, and love the compositions of Luis Gonzaga as Hormel does, so he is on my faves list. I've been sitting in with some some South American folks lately...it's very inspiring, and also very humbling.

[zappafrank]

Smokey Hormel is also a fabulous player and an inspiration. One of my all time favorite movies is the independent film, "Y Tu Mama Tambien", starring Maribel Verdu. Hormel did the title track to the film. Genius. I also study Central and South American music, so he is on my faves list.

hey George---gracias for the tip on the soundtrack!:)

ac

[jetlag]

Also found a short clip of local (London) mainstay Big Joe Louis doing 'Stoop Down Mama':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDELTT_AYiQ
'Stoop down baby, let your daddy see, you got somethin down there baby, worries the hell outta me'. I like the singing and harp on that one. Not sure where he got that number, whether it's cover or an original, but he's been adding to the lyrics for years.

Chick Willis (Chuck's guitar playing cousin) is the self-proclaimed "Stoop Down Man" - and shows up in this area quite a bit. Here's an excerpt:

"In 1971, Chick recorded his first album, "Stoop Down Baby, Let Your Daddy See", which was released on La Val records out of Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1972. The self-penned "Stoop Down Baby, Let Your Daddy See" sold over three million copies, thus becoming Chick's biggest hit and among the top longest selling single ever. With the popularity of this song, people begain calling Chick "The Stoop Down Man". Which became his signature song. Today Chick is still known as "The Stoop Down Man". (It's even on his business card)"

After saying all of that, I still believe there's a reference to "stoop down" in a Joe Turner song somewhere, so Chick probably wasn't real original but expounded on the subject somewhat. That song is a favorite in some areas around here.

[fretshop]

hey George---gracias for the tip on the soundtrack!:)

ac

Rent the movie...I've seen it a half dozen times. It's a must see.

[fretshop]

Chick Willis (Chuck's guitar playing cousin) is the self-proclaimed "Stoop Down Man" - and shows up in this area quite a bit. Here's an excerpt:

"In 1971, Chick recorded his first album, "Stoop Down Baby, Let Your Daddy See", which was released on La Val records out of Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1972. The self-penned "Stoop Down Baby, Let Your Daddy See" sold over three million copies, thus becoming Chick's biggest hit and among the top longest selling single ever. With the popularity of this song, people begain calling Chick "The Stoop Down Man". Which became his signature song. Today Chick is still known as "The Stoop Down Man". (It's even on his business card)"

After saying all of that, I still believe there's a reference to "stoop down" in a Joe Turner song somewhere, so Chick probably wasn't real original but expounded on the subject somewhat. That song is a favorite in some areas around here.

In the past, there have been excellent, in-depth intervews with Chick Willis in Juke Blues Magazine out of the U.K.

[Strat-O]

Fret - 'preciate the calls from you and NC Slim. You find out who your friends are when times get hard. Made my day.


Raindogs is my favorite Tom Waits album. Man, how do you create something like that? Where does it come from? You just don't "learn" how to play guitar like that.

[zappafrank]

what the????---I click on your YouTube links, and it gives me the title of the video, and sound, but nothin' else---what's up with that? I checked my youtube account and subscriptions, and I can see all the vids and sidebars just fine---

what's up?????

ac

[zappafrank]

figures---now it's working---sheesh---

ac

[pete kanaras]

Finally....!!! I've been mentioning Marc Ribot forever

yep, i'm listening to the first los cubanos positzos at work right now. huge fan here. i heard 2 discs of the new waits yesterday and it is incredible.

[Scott Miller]

I went sort of crazy on the old African pop stuff a few years ago. For a while, you could get some bitchen 45s and 78s for $5 - $15 on ebay, but now they go for $30 - $150 or so. However, there are numerous compilation CDs out there...

You can't lose with anything on the Original Music label, although I think they aren't in business anymore. Anything by Franco is great, although I like the older stuff better. Dr. Nico is another Congolese guitar giant. Highlife from Nigeria and Ghana has some very cool guitar, especially Sir Victor Uwaifo. There's a series of Angolan stuff of which the 60's is very cool. Also from Angola, there's one Alick Nkhata CD, which is some incredibly haunting beautiful stuff, not much guitar, but just amazing music. Orcestra Baobab you might know about, their guitar player, Barthelemy Atisso, is totally wacked. Basiclly, I haven't heard anything from Africa in the 50s and 60s that I didn't like. In the 70s, James Brown made a rather huge impact, and things weren't the same, although the product of that was Fela Kuti and all that Afro-soul/funk, which is also cool.

Just one more mention because it's the coolest band name ever: the Hallelujah Chicken Run Band, from Zimbabwe in the 70s. The great singer Thomas Mapfumo was in that band. Zimbabwe guitar mimics the mbira, so those guitar players just stand there and play nothing slower than a 16th note for hours.

[TwoFeets]

Hey guys - I think this came up before and I think we had differing opinions on this so I'll throw it out there again - are the Hershey bar pickups on the black hollowbody Stratotones like this one the same as on the H44's?

http://http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDetails.aspx?Item=1531077

[rhartt1234]

Here's a good Orchestra Baobab CD I have.
http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Choice-Orchestra-Baobab/dp/B00005UPF7/sr=1-3/qid=1164827329/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-8981110-7065569?ie=UTF8&s=music

And a good Highlife sampler that kind of got me rolling on West African music
http://www.amazon.com/Rough-Guide-Highlife-Various-Artists/dp/B000086BA5/sr=1-3/qid=1164827538/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-8981110-7065569?ie=UTF8&s=music

I hav a bunch of Ali Farka Toure and various other West African stuff that I've downloaded over the years.

It's interesting to hear Africans influenced by American Blues and Latin Jazz that was influenced by Africans in the first place. The son is father to the son kind of thing.

[mikelaw]

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5217/tomwaits04blogdlaf1b6bdu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6835/waitsblog5rr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Dave Orban]

COOL pics...!

[aja]

YESSSS those pics rock !!! I love the shadow of the band on the curtain in the first one. Wish I was their.

[Scott Miller]

More on Roy Brown/Pee Wee Crayton; there's another CD, of which Amazon has plenty, called "Good Rockin' Tonight: Live in San Francisco," Mine is live in Los Angeles, but it has the same songs. Well now... seems like it might be the same stuff.

[Shades]

Cool Pics! My buddy Jim Nichols toured with Tom Waits for a bit. Great gig. I love his stuff

[zappafrank]

Mike---that's some GREAT photos!!!---Thanks, man---I'm a savin' em---so---is Tom on tour again????

ac

[free_jazz]

...
You can't lose with anything on the Original Music label, although I think they aren't in business anymore...

Wow. One of the bright spots of '80's! John Storm Roberts produced that marvelous series. Great guitar stuff from Kenya and Tanzania as well. Some amazing tones to be found, especially the clean tones played so percussively. What a vibe it conveys. Vocals -- priceless.

[zappafrank]

OK guys/Curran/TwoFeets fans---hard to say no to a deal like this for some---might be a good backup for those 'questionable' places!!

http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_squier_51_electric_guitar?full_sku=519636.001. 063&src=4NL6LT

that is cheap!!!


ac

[zappafrank]

Oh yeah--scott and free jazz---thanks for the FYI on some cool African pop guitar stuff---i've been wanting to check it out, but have had, really, NO IDEA where to start---I've heard a tiny bit on the ol' community radio, and it was always drawing my attention---any specific 'starters' would be greatly appreciated!---Gawd---this place is great---

ac

[fretshop]

Awesome photos. Whew !!! Frank...I have some African LPs...all worn out, but let me turn you on to the web site my African musician friends turned me on to: www.afropop.org/ (http://www.afropop.org/)

Our local Jazz station WBGO "Jazz 88" does an hour show on mainstream African music. Check out some arrangements from Madagascar by Son Egal.

If you like the music from the African continent, why not stretch out and absorb some of its influences on Puerto Rican/Cuban/Dominican big band and combo stuff ?

Check out Mario Bauza...a great influence on "The Diz". Paquito D'Rivera is another good listen. My old acquaintance, Larry Harlow...a Jewish kid from Brooklyn broke through cultural barriers in the 70's and enlightened us with Orchestra Harlow...AND the Fania Allstars. Check out "La Raza Latina-A Salsa Suite" from the late 70's, where, he proclaims..."Africa is the root!!" Larry loved to meld african wind, string and percussion instruments into his arrangements. He has the most outstanding collection of Afro-Cuban big band music recorded in Havana during the 40's and early 50's. It's Carribean Blues !! Then check out Buena Vista Social Club. You're hooked.

[aja]

That movie Ry cooder did a while back had cool cuban stuff.

[rhartt1234]

Speaking of Chick Willis...
Apparently he is competng in the IBC this year since he has not had a major release in 10 years. On the one hand I think it's cool that I'll get to see Chick on the other I think this is more in the letter of the IBC rules than the spirit. Chick had one of the biggest blues hits of the 70s and is more or less considered a legend for it. I'm certainly not threatened by his competing. At this point I'm just psyched to go and play and making the finals or winning ( a long shot for sure) is secondary.

[valcotone]

Speaking of Hormel, Holmstrom, and Hodges... lots of pics here:

http://www.losangelesblues.com/id332a.html

http://www.losangelesblues.com/3hos/3hos_033_sm.jpg

[RickyKing]

Whew,
Who don't have a Stratotone these days......

[zappafrank]

yeah---those Stratotones are so---so---last week!

Good---that means I can quit wanting one!

ac

[zappafrank]

Damn--i'd really be curious to hear the '3 Ho's' material!!!---That's GOTTA be interesting!

ac

[Strat-O]

Wonder what that tweed amp is to the right in picture #14? Looks like a new amp. With the grill cloth and the lacquered tweed covering it looks like a Victoria Regal.

[Scott Miller]

"Who don't have a Stratotone these days......"

I pulled mine out at RJ's jam and Randy Bermudez says something like, "Oh geez, another one!"

[Scott Miller]

That picture of Holmstrom doing a neck bend makes me say "EEK!"

[valcotone]

"Who don't have a Stratotone these days......"

I pulled mine out at RJ's jam and Randy Bermudez says something like, "Oh geez, another one!"


Haha... I can see it now... the H44 Stratotone will be the "Superstrat with Floyd Rose and locking brass nut" of 2007!

[mikelaw]

That picture of Holmstrom doing a neck bend makes me say "EEK!"

there is NO WAY 'it' would ever happen bro.

[mikelaw]

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9041/12106hoy021hx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

alec and i sat in with johnny hoy and the bluefish tonight. paul size turned the axe over to alec too! rockin! what an amazing band and their new release film noir angel is awesome too!!!!! get it, its a dance/blues record, trust me! jeremy says hello to jon ross and nicky adams if youre reading this...

[zappafrank]

gone, gone, gone---

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Saw the Scott McAllister band last night with Mike Morgan. Two guitars and drums, no bass. It rocked hard but I didn't get the other guitar players name. Mike had a Fender 'verb tank and bassman, the other guy a SF twin and maybe a smallish Kendrick. They got it on - each git player doing the Chuck Berry rhythm thing while the other solo'ed so I didn't miss the bass at all. Zappa, I wish I could buy that tank!!! A dollar a week for the rest of my life ??? Tom brought me a Jimi Bott cd back so i got to hear yall, finally. I dig the Rockinitis fer sure!! Marco sounds great too, I hope he is OK. Take care, fred

[aja]

Nice pic man. That band is sooo good. Jeremy Berlin on piano is great and
so was the drummer. They were so easy to play with and really attentive.
I just glanced quickly at them and they were both looking back , anticipating
something. Paul Size is a nice guy and sounded great that night. And Johnny Hoy is a superb singer.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

2Feets and Fretshop- my Ampeg Jet has a P12S Jensen in it, is that what you guys have? It seems kinda punk, I would like more bottom end. What would yall suggest? Thanks, fred

[Dave Orban]

Hey, George...

FYI, I'm gonna come out and heckle on Sat night! LOL!

[TwoFeets]

2Feets and Fretshop- my Ampeg Jet has a P12S Jensen in it, is that what you guys have? It seems kinda punk, I would like more bottom end. What would yall suggest? Thanks, fred

Boy, I don't even know what's in mine. I'll have to look when I go home tonight. Whatever it is it sounds good so I'm not messing with it.

[fretshop]

Boy, I don't even know what's in mine. I'll have to look when I go home tonight. Whatever it is it sounds good so I'm not messing with it.

My Jet speaker is an Eminence OEM speaker made for ampeg...sounds killer.

My Reverberocket 2 speaker is a P-12-Q. It sounds good. Don't know how long it'll last.

I tested both amps with speaker upgrades, and the tone got very hi-fi. Great for an archtop or 335, but the swap kille the response in my No-Caster. I was using the Eminence GB12 and the 125-8. Probably too much speaker.

[fretshop]

Hey, George...

FYI, I'm gonna come out and heckle on Sat night! LOL!

Cool...dinner's on me.

[Dave Orban]

Cool...dinner's on me.
A plate might be less messy...

[mikelaw]

johnny hoy's new cd is killer! anyone lookin for a great new blues cd, buy this one! paul size is just monstorous on it too!

[fretshop]

A plate might be less messy...

That's food for thought. I've got nothing at steak at this point.

[TwoFeets]

Thought you guys might dig Felix and the Cats's take on a Christmas classic.

Check out El Rudolfo.

http://www.myspace.com/felixandthecats

[Dave Orban]

That's food for thought. I've got nothing at steak at this point.
I really don't want to egg you on...:worried

[Poppa Stoppa]

Thought you guys might dig Felix and the Cats's take on a Christmas classic.

Check out El Rudolfo.

http://www.myspace.com/felixandthecats
How cool! Might hafta steal that idea! Thanks Twofeets!

[fretshop]

I really don't want to egg you on...:worried

Well...I'm just a hard boiled old guy....no beef about that. I'm bringing the RR 2 to the gig. I think I busted the input jack....as soon as I remove the guitar cord from the jack, the amp hums very loudly (an old Irish tune in the key of C...no less).

[Dave Orban]

Well...I'm just a hard boiled old guy....no beef about that. I'm bringing the RR 2 to the gig. I think I busted the input jack....as soon as I remove the guitar cord from the jack, the amp hums very loudly (an old Irish tune in the key of C...no less).
That's no yolk. Sounds like your signal's scrambled. You best get your soldering iron out, and get cracking.

[RickyKing]

Just out of curiousity,is something wrong here? Did we lose pages?

[TwoFeets]

Just out of curiousity,is something wrong here? Did we lose pages?

Yeah they had a software glitch and lost a bunch of data. Unfortunately it was from a pretty happenin' time on this thread so we suffered a little more than most.

[RickyKing]

I was thinkin'...It might be fun to start an exchange library.
I'll bet everyone here has a fave cool bootleg of some great show or maybe a
great L.P. transcription that we could all swap. Everybody burn 10 and mail'em out! Could be big fun!
DVD OR CD or both..

[jetlag]

Ricky, sounds like a great idea.

Well, this morning a got an email from Delta Groove. When you go to their site and get to that new Various Artists Road Tested V.1 CD it plays the entire cut "Nit Wit" - a Holmstrom-equipped version of the Hollywood Blue Flames. Man, Rick is smokin' on it. And to honest, at first I thought it was Ramos. You can really hear that echo he uses now - forgot what it was I was told he uses, an old Roland Space Echo? Check it out, some real nice stuff. Here, I'll make it easy:

http://www.deltagrooveproductions.com/music/releases/roadtestedV1/main.html

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Ricky, is that you on the Doug James/ Sax Gordon cd? I got a copy from Doug last year and I guess it takes me a while to put two and two together, I was just reading the back of it the other day and.... woah! Really enjoy "Cool Dude" - the tune is kinda like Duke's " Don't do me like that" and "Steppin". "Bobo Baywindow" has the Rosco Gordon piano rhythm thing goin' on. I anyone out there hasn't heard this cd - check it out, it's a ton-o-fun.

I was given an impromptu chord/swing guitar lesson yesterday and was blown away pretty quickly - just throw in a different fingering and a new chord shape and tempo/change style and I was left in the dust. A good perspective change of pace to get a lesson instead of giving them. I will be showing a little more patience for awhile. fred

[Esquire]

I was given an impromptu chord/swing guitar lesson yesterday and was blown away pretty quickly - just throw in a different fingering and a new chord shape and tempo/change style and I was left in the dust. A good perspective change of pace to get a lesson instead of giving them. I will be showing a little more patience for awhile. fred

Aagh! I hear you brother. I've been taking lessons with Duke Robillard this year primarily focusing on swing playing. I can't express what a humbling experience it can be.

[valcotone]

Ricky, sounds like a great idea.

Well, this morning a got an email from Delta Groove. When you go to their site and get to that new Various Artists Road Tested V.1 CD it plays the entire cut "Nit Wit" - a Holmstrom-equipped version of the Hollywood Blue Flames. Man, Rick is smokin' on it. And to honest, at first I thought it was Ramos. You can really hear that echo he uses now - forgot what it was I was told he uses, an old Roland Space Echo? Check it out, some real nice stuff. Here, I'll make it easy:

http://www.deltagrooveproductions.com/music/releases/roadtestedV1/main.html


I received that CD a few days ago and have listened to it a couple of times. For guitar there is some mighty-fine playing on there by Rick and the boys, as well as Junior and Kid Ramos as well. Rusty too. A few 7-9 minute songs. Definitely worth picking up.

That same email said that the Hollywood Blue Flames set with Rick was recorded for broadcast on CBC radio... I'm checking to see when that might be.

[valcotone]

I was thinkin'...It might be fun to start an exchange library.
I'll bet everyone here has a fave cool bootleg of some great show or maybe a
great L.P. transcription that we could all swap. Everybody burn 10 and mail'em out! Could be big fun!
DVD OR CD or both..


Ricky - I'm in! Send me an email and we can get started! :D

[Strat-O]

Yeah, that'd be cool Ricky. How do we get started? Maybe get an email list going?

I got my disc from Delta Groove a couple of days ago too. Great music especially considering new releases by most of those folks are far and few between. Hearing Rick Holmstrom with the Blue Flames was worth the price of admission.

I guess you guys know the December Tonequest issue with Watson and Holmstrom is out? Outrageously good interviews with both guys. What a treat. Could be a long dry spell before anything like that comes out again. Maybe something great will come out of it for them.

[RickyKing]

Anything that would be easy will be cool I'll get the ball rollin' by asking any one that wants in PM Me with mailing addy and I can get the list started with the 1st round. Pretty much anything thats Blues and /or Cool Guitar would be fun. I'll do the 1st round and then email out the list to everyone else.
Then you do yours and then every time you go to the mail box,something cool will be there..Every Day is Christmas!!
What do you think?
BTW,Guilty as charged on the Gordon and Doug CD.... Glad you liked it!

[TwoFeets]

Ricky, sounds like a great idea.

Well, this morning a got an email from Delta Groove. When you go to their site and get to that new Various Artists Road Tested V.1 CD it plays the entire cut "Nit Wit" - a Holmstrom-equipped version of the Hollywood Blue Flames. Man, Rick is smokin' on it. And to honest, at first I thought it was Ramos. You can really hear that echo he uses now - forgot what it was I was told he uses, an old Roland Space Echo? Check it out, some real nice stuff. Here, I'll make it easy:

http://www.deltagrooveproductions.com/music/releases/roadtestedV1/main.html


I was astonished to learn when looking at jetlag's CD collection that both he and I share a love of that litle-known, mysterious guitarist - Variou Sartists.

In both jetlag's collection and mine, Variou Sartists has pride of place. Demonstrating Sartists' mastery of styles, he accounts for the lion's share of jetlag's collection in Pop/Rock, Blues, Jazz, Country/Bluegrass, World, New Age, Classical, and even gets a mention in the Instructional category.
As I said in that thread, musicians consider it an honor to play alongside him. There is hardly a big name in the business who hasn't played on a Variou Sartists album. Many artists have played on several.

But what of Sartists, the man? His life was - or maybe is - shrouded in mystery, like the fogs that roll off the Atlantic or Pacific (sometimes both at once) over his adopted homeland, Tierra Del Fuego.

Sartists was born in Romania. His date of birth is believed to be April 1, 1900, though some argue that he was born years later. His grandfather was an ignorant shepherd, his father was an ignorant shepherd, so it was only natural that when the time came young Variou carried on the family tradition by being ignorant as well.

Alas for Variou, his dreams of looking after the family sheep came to nothing after the sheep itself decided to wander off and was never seen again. "Go, vind your vortune in the big city," were his mother's final words to him before she kicked him off a precipiece into the icy Danube below.
Here the stories differ. Some say Variou rode a tree-trunk to a Black Sea port, while others say that he jumped tree-trunk near Bucharest. This version of the tale has him working in a store selling imported Russian balalaikas, where he first acquired his taste for music.

According to this version, Variou soon became a multi-talented musician. Not only could he play the piano, but he tickled the ivories too. When he tired of demonstrating his violin virtuousity, he would fiddle with his whiskers.

However, the end was near. The Russian manufacturers of the Balalaikas decide to take over control of the store. The new Russian store manager encouraged local balalaika players to play the communist tunes of his homeland, and one fateful Saturday afternoon Variou quit after being unable to take another version of "Stairway to the Workers' Paradise" any longer.

So Variou found himself jobless. He headed for a Black Sea port, where he found employment as ship's cook and entertainment officer on board a tanker bound for Australia.

To work on these tankers was to be the lowest of the low. Down and outs, scum of the earth, and even Metallica lawyers could be found on these ships. Outbound, they carried Romanian Yak Lard, revered by Australians as "Good tucker when y'can't get nuthin else." Returning, they'd load up with Kangaroo Tail Soup.

The voyage was uneventful, apart from Variou being booed off the stage every night. But then came that fateful day, followed by that fateful night, and as sure as day follows night Variou was shipwrecked around Cape Horn. Only his experience on the tree-trunk in the Danube saved him.

Clutching just his balalaika and a spare set of strings, he was washed onto the shore of Tierra Del Fuego in the area we now call Mel Bay.

(this is a reprint of a post by a guy named David Field on the FDP quite a while back. I can't find him to get his permission to reprint it so the hell with it)

[dddelta]

...I'll get the ball rollin' by asking any one that wants in PM Me with mailing addy...

Ok Ricky, I'm in!

Check your PM's.

[jetlag]

Speaking of record collections, I'm reminded of a funny story this gal told me at the Grand Emporium one night. She was KeithF erguson's, er, I mean Keith Ferguson's next-door neighbor post-T Birds. I hope I remember correctly here. Keith's music collection was enormous, covered walls and was diveded and labelled - "Mexico" , "Texas" and "Other."

[RickyKing]

Hello,Hello anybody home...

[Dave Orban]

Hello,Hello anybody home...Yeah, really...!

[valcotone]

Busy working *GASP*



Hmmm, here's a thought: How do different instruments (guitars, harps, amps, etc), inspire you to play differently? Why do you play differently, and what is it that triggers this change in behaviour? Other than a string or key change, why do you reach for a different piece of gear in the middle of a gig?

[mikelaw]

when i play different instruments, I LOVE playing: (instrument, style) all with soul!

guitar--funky, rocky bluesy
harp--swingy, fast, shuffley
drums--lowdown! big bottom laid back way behind!
bass--in the pocket, loud!

[Scott Miller]

"...why do you reach for a different piece of gear in the middle of a gig..."

Usually it's not inspiration, just something prosaic like the keyboard player is too loud, or the crowd just wants to here a lot of meedley-meedley high notes, so I might as well play the Strat.

[Dave Orban]

With me, I typically play the 175 for the first set-and-a-half (or maybe two)...

It's strung with 13s, so I play it very differently than I do a Tele (strung with 11s or 12s...). You know, more finger slides, and fewer (and less aggressive) bends...

As it gets a bit more raucous towards the end of the night, I'll bring out the Tele, for a the more "rocking" blues numbers (with deeper bends, more prominent vibrato, etc.), and my hacking through an inevitable SRV number (I usually try to do one per night...) But once that stuff is outta the way, I'll often switch back to the 175, just because it just sounds so damned good!

[dddelta]

Thought you guys might dig Felix and the Cats's take on a Christmas classic.

Check out El Rudolfo.

http://www.myspace.com/felixandthecats



Here's another for the holiday season!!


http://www.gibson.com/Holiday2006Johnny.aspx

[TwoFeets]

Busy working *GASP*



Hmmm, here's a thought: How do different instruments (guitars, harps, amps, etc), inspire you to play differently? Why do you play differently, and what is it that triggers this change in behaviour? Other than a string or key change, why do you reach for a different piece of gear in the middle of a gig?

I agree with the aforementioned sentiment of playing less aggressive at the beginning of the night and more aggressively later with more bends/vibrato. If I start the night with the archtop (25.5" scale, not as easy on the bends) oftentimes I end up with the goldtop by the end of the night (shorter scale, easier to bend).

Over the past year though I have leaned on the goldtop a lot more. It's pretty damn versatile and really comfortable to play. I always feel like I'm fighting the archtop.

Another reason for going to the archtop is that sometimes I feel like using the Bigsby here and there for flavor.

[dukeh62]

Holy crap...not sure if someone mentioned this site here yet, but RUSH over to http://www.wolfgangsvault.com and do the quick registration. There are tons of AMAZING concerts in really high-quality streaming audio. Most it is early rock, but there's some blues mixed in.

Which leads me to this: I am listening to a B.B. King show they have from the Filmore East in 1971. His playing on the first cut "Let Me Love You" has to be some of the most stellar B.B. playing I've ever heard. He just has some much command over the instrument it's ridiculous.

Check it out.

[Dave Orban]

Holy crap...not sure if someone mentioned this site here yet, but RUSH over to http://www.wolfgangsvault.com and do the quick registration. There are tons of AMAZING concerts in really high-quality streaming audio. Most it is early rock, but there's some blues mixed in.

Which leads me to this: I am listening to a B.B. King show they have from the Filmore East in 1971. His playing on the first cut "Let Me Love You" has to be some of the most stellar B.B. playing I've ever heard. He just has some much command over the instrument it's ridiculous.

Check it out.Neat site! Thanks for the link!

[valcotone]

Duke - Thanks for the concert archive link - some cool stuff there. I'm trying to figure out how to record them to my hard drive now... :rotflmao


Here's a holiday treat:
Rick Holmstrom doing "Sleigh Ride"
http://www.kilback.net/tunes/SleighRide_RickHolmstrom_1995.mp3

[rhartt1234]

Duke - Thanks for the concert archive link - some cool stuff there. I'm trying to figure out how to record them to my hard drive now... :rotflmao]

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

[TwoFeets]

Hey guys -

Can somebody please help me out with a simple little bit that's giving me fits?

On the originally-released version of "Too Many Drivers" on the Hollywood Fats Band record... It goes from the little intro bit into the I...
Can you tab out the descending figure that transitions from the I to the IV?

[pete kanaras]

Duke - Thanks for the concert archive link - some cool stuff there. I'm trying to figure out how to record them to my hard drive now...

umm, this from the site forum. well, i guess i'm content to just listen! amazing site, yikes
----------------------------


<SPAN>We have done everything we can to protect this music from those who would copy it illegally. Our music files are not easily-copied MP3s and are delivered, solely, through a Secure Flash Audio Stream, only accessible by registered users. As security technology evolves, we will employ it to further protect this music. We believe that the Concert Vault and Vault Radio, playing the vast archives of Bill Graham, King Biscuit, Silver Eagle and, very soon, others, will be a preferred destination for all those who especially value live performance music with all its spontaneity and imperfection. Those who illegally copy this music may ruin it for the rest of us.

[Short Bus]

Hey guys -

Can somebody please help me out with a simple little bit that's giving me fits?

On the originally-released version of "Too Many Drivers" on the Hollywood Fats Band record... It goes from the little intro bit into the I...
Can you tab out the descending figure that transitions from the I to the IV?

This is what I came up with.

|--10--12--10--------------7---------5------3------------0--3--
|--12-----------12--8--10-----5--7------3------5--0--3---------

Which actually surprises the H*** out of me. Usually I can't tell an A# from a Bb.

Now you got me goin on this one Feets. Since we're not playing tonight I know what I'm doing.

[Short Bus]

Which leads me to this: I am listening to a B.B. King show they have from the Filmore East in 1971. His playing on the first cut "Let Me Love You" has to be some of the most stellar B.B. playing I've ever heard. He just has some much command over the instrument it's ridiculous.

Check it out.

That site is awesome!!!

Whic reminds me, somebody mentioned B.B.'s Spotlight On Lucille CD. If you haven't gotten that yet, just sell all your sh** now and take up horseshoes. 'cause you ain't right in the head. I'm all eat up with this CD. To hear Lucille sing, scream, and just holler like crazy is too much.

Then again, I am on the...

[Poppa Stoppa]

Hey guys -

Can somebody please help me out with a simple little bit that's giving me fits?

On the originally-released version of "Too Many Drivers" on the Hollywood Fats Band record... It goes from the little intro bit into the I...
Can you tab out the descending figure that transitions from the I to the IV?Can I play too? (With due respect to Short Bus*) this is my take on it:
10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-12----10-----7------5-----4--------3
12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12----12----8~9---6~7---4~5---0-1-2--

where ~ can be a slide.

Whilst we're on Fats for a minute, any of you guys worked out a smooth way to finger the dimished lick thing at the start of 'Rock This House' on that same record?

Also the lick at 0.11-0.14 in that tune. I can never get down from the high bit into the 3rd-fret G-box position fast enough.

Skilback - awesome Rick H tune - man you got some good music stashed away! Thanks so much!

Now to check out that site Eric came up with...

(*Hey I found out what a 'Short Bus' is the other day - ha ha! I heard an interview with the director of that film)

[Poppa Stoppa]

First concert I check out on Duke's concert archive link (after the BB King) is Taj Mahal at the Fillmore West, 18 Sept 1969, and dang me if it isn't Jesse Ed Davis smokin' on his Tele, sounding very fine indeed. I have a very soft spot for those early Taj LPs, tracks like 'Paint My Mailbox Blue', 'Bacon Fat' etc. Thanks Eric!

Oh yeah, the J Geils band from '71 is great too - 'Whammer Jammer' and all that stuff!

[jetlag]

Can I play too? (With due respect to Short Bus*) this is my take on it:
10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-12----10-----7------5-----4--------3
12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12----12----8~9---6~7---4~5---0-1-2--

where ~ can be a slide.

Whilst we're on Fats for a minute, any of you guys worked out a smooth way to finger the dimished lick thing at the start of 'Rock This House' on that same record?

Also the lick at 0.11-0.14 in that tune. I can never get down from the high bit into the 3rd-fret G-box position fast enough.


If you want to check out the source of those Too Many Drivers licks, listen to Robert Junior's Aw Aw Baby on the JOB sides. Just playing beyond belief - super sneaky stuff going on with multiple parts and impossible timing, all the while singing his ass off. You have to lose the pick to pull it off (no pun intended) .............

On Rock This House, the easy way to play that diminished intro is in a box in one position at the 6th thru 9th frets because your hand doesn't have to move:

8-9-6--------6-----------6
------8---8----8-------8-
--------9--------9-6-9

Another way to do it with a bit more sass:

8-9-6--------6---------------3-6
------8---8----8----------5
--------9--------9 ~~-6-

where the ~~ is sliding your ring finger (I don't use my pinky on the lick)down from the 9th to the sixth fret. You don't have to pick the 6th fret flat 5 note. When you do this notice that you've now played the same box in two places. This diminished box repeats itself every 4 frets whether ascending or descending. Pretty cool stuff.

On the other lick you have to do a similar technique where you pick a note, then slide down to another note w/o picking. It takes finger pressure and tough fingers. A rough stab at the sequence to try and illustrate what I'm saying:

---------9-~10-10-10-9-6--------------3----6---6
-------8-------------------8~~5-----3-5----5---5
10~11---------------------------3-4

The trick is sliding that 8th fret b string (with your middle finger) down to the 5th fret b string and have the note still sound w/o picking it (instead of picking it up at the 9th fret G string in the "box" up there). Then your hand is set up to play the 1st position licks easily. Hope I got close, I have two kids screaming, changed a diaper, two bottles of milk etc.... while typing this....... Please feel free to straighten me out if I missed something or didn't quite get it right. Hope this helps.

Rock This House reminds me of BB's intro to Nuthin' But A Woman on the Spotlight on Lucille CD. Lot's of similarities from the diminished scale licks to the sliding up and down to notes. Cool stuff. Hopefully nobody will ask for a tab of that ........

[mikelaw]

gig last night, some lady asked for mustang sally i said i would check with the band to see if they knew it. :)

she said, are you sure you cant do it now and slipped $60 towards me, i said...yea i dont think so.

i should have done it, dammit. :)

[mikelaw]

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/4877/nomustangsallyro5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jetlag]

Poppa, now you have me listening to the Fats CD (for probably the 100th time) while surfing. I now hear the delay on Okie Dokie Stomp. Sounds just like the delay Holmstrom used on Nit Wit on that new live Delta Groove CD. Man, I wish had L.C. McKinnley's version of that .......

[rhartt1234]

Someday someone will put all the LC McKinley on one CD until then...
Meat & Gravy From Bea & Baby
http://www.amazon.com/Meat-Gravy-Baby-Various-Artists/dp/B0007TKGIK/sr=8-1/qid=1165691552/ref=sr_1_1/104-8981110-7065569?ie=UTF8&s=music
Ya gotta have it!

[jimfog]

re: Rock This House intro (corrected!).....

8-9---------------------------------
-----11-8---10-11-8-------8-11----
-----------9---------9---9----------
-----------------------11-----------

Feels and sounds right to me.......pinky on the 11th fret, 1st on the 8th, one finger per fret.....smear and slide where necessary.

- Jim

[maxVsf]

gig last night, some lady asked for mustang sally i said i would check with the band to see if they knew it. :)

she said, are you sure you cant do it now and slipped $60 towards me, i said...yea i dont think so.

i should have done it, dammit. :)

So you are saying you refused her tip, and didn't do the song? I understand some of the stigma associated with playing Mustang Sally, but, seriously, maybe you should dig out Wilson Pickett, Albert Collins, or Buddy Guy's version with Jeff Beck and give them a good listen before deciding you're too hip to play that song. Just my opinion.

[Scott Miller]

For some gigs, one person might want Mustang Sally, but the other three people in the audience don't. Majority rules!

Fats will have to wait while I review "Please come home for Christmas." Tons of changes, and we only play it once a year.

[Short Bus]

Can I play too? (With due respect to Short Bus*) this is my take on it:
10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-12----10-----7------5-----4--------3
12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12----12----8~9---6~7---4~5---0-1-2--
(*Hey I found out what a 'Short Bus' is the other day - ha ha! I heard an interview with the director of that film)

No worries Poppa. I ain't got the best ear. I hadn't thought of it before, but listening to the song last night, it's got Robert Jr. all over it. And it kills me that he's doing this while singing no less!

[jetlag]

Someday someone will put all the LC McKinley on one CD until then...
Meat & Gravy From Bea & Baby
http://www.amazon.com/Meat-Gravy-Baby-Various-Artists/dp/B0007TKGIK/sr=8-1/qid=1165691552/ref=sr_1_1/104-8981110-7065569?ie=UTF8&s=music
Ya gotta have it!

Thanks Ryan. This is another one that might be worth getting? It's got his united sides from '54 on it. - http://www.amazon.com/Long-Man-Blues-Various-Artists/dp/B00004YN9N/sr=8-2/qid=1165695134/ref=sr_1_2/102-0891815-4209736?ie=UTF8&s=music

[Dave Orban]

gig last night, some lady asked for mustang sally i said i would check with the band to see if they knew it. :)

she said, are you sure you cant do it now and slipped $60 towards me, i said...yea i dont think so.

i should have done it, dammit. :)
You know, if an audience member wants a song like that, and we can reasonably pull it off, we do it.

They love it, the other folks in the audience love it, and the owner loves it.

It's a win-win proposition, IMO...

[yZe]

For some gigs, one person might want Mustang Sally, but the other three people in the audience don't. Majority rules!

Fats will have to wait while I review "Please come home for Christmas." Tons of changes, and we only play it once a year.
Wouldn't it be cool to have a big folding sandwich board menu of tired old covers with a price affixed to each tune?

Mustang sally - $60

looks like that is the market price

Just tell the requester that if he collects an equivalent of 60 bones from the bar, you'll do Mustang Sally

Looks like this isthe new market price

[zappafrank]

Wouldn't it be cool to have a big folding sandwich board menu of tired old covers with a price affixed to each tune?

Mustang sally - $60

looks like that is the market price

Just tell the requester that if he collects an equivalent of 60 bones from the bar, you'll do Mustang Sally

Looks like this isthe new market price

THAT is a good idea!!!

you could have "Thrill is Gone"---$40.00

"Any Stevie Ray Vaughan or George Thoroughgood Request" ----$50.00

"Any British 'Blues' Band Request"---$100.00

" Any Pee Wee Crayton, T-Bone Walker, or Magic Sam..."---FREE
:roll

ac

[groove_king]

re: Rock This House intro.....

8-9---------------------------------
-----11-8---8-11-8-------8-11----
-----------9---------9---9----------
-----------------------11-----------



This is the fingering I use, but I think the second G on the second string should be an A. (i.e. instead of --8-11-8-- it should be --10-11-8--)

As for Twofeet's original query, I play the intro to Too Many Drivers thus:

12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12--------------
---------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------
12-----------11-----------10-----------9------------------

12--12----12-12-12-12--- 11---11----------------------
--------------------------10---10------------------------
--------------------------11---11------------------------
9---9----------------9----9----9-------------------------
-----------11--12----------------------------------------

I pick the top string with my ring finger and the bass notes with my pick. Left hand fingering is little finger on the top E string, ring finger on the D, middle finger on the C#, index finger on the C, index finger on the B. The B7 chord ain't the same as the record, but it's the closest one to the lick I could find. Anyone know what chord Fats played for the V7?

[jimfog]

This is the fingering I use, but I think the second G on the second string should be an A. (i.e. instead of --8-11-8-- it should be --10-11-8--)

Duh.....you're exactly right.......how I play it, too.

That's what happens when you do this without a guitar in your hands. I'll go edit my post.

BTW, I usually slide my 2nd finger from the C --> C# in the first couple notes.

Cheers!

- Jim

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Thanks for the tabs everyone! Just got he new Delta Groove ltd. live cd and Holmstrom really gets going on #12, anybody know what amp he is using these days ?- Great tone! I was watching Duke Robillard's Uptown blues dvd again the other day and he called a G6 - ( top 3 strings at 7-8-9 frets) a second position G, I remember some were talking about that a month ago. I also got the live Roy Brown cd and Brisbane Bop last night from blue beat (thanks Scott). Pee Wee definetely cuts loose a couple times and the Brisbane cd has tons of hot guitar/steel as well as a half-hearted endorsement for buffalo steak! over and out, fred

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Oh yeah, is there any way to read that Jr. Watson/ Rick Holmstrom Tonequest interview with out paying $79.00? thanks, fred

[Strat-O]

Fred - Can't help you here man. TQ-Man went to the trouble to support Junior and Rick's musical vision with a full issue, I think the least we can do is support the TQ-Man for a year.

Some hilarious stuff floating around here! As much as I don't like Mustang Sally, I'd play it in a heartbeat for $60.

So, has anybody seen the current Musselwhite tour? What a killer band and show. June Core and Randy Bermudes with Kid Andersen? All Musselwhite has to do is look cool and its gonna be a killer show. The tunes are pretty cool and Charlie does sing and play well. But Kid absolutely steals the show. He practically got a standing-o after every guitar solo when they played here. I didn't know what to expect you know? Kid playing the Musselwhite gig. He used a Les Paul with a Bigsby all night. Real ballsy clean tone. Playing through a red knob Twin (by choice...it was his). It was the finest example of non-cliche blues influenced rock guitar I believe I've ever seen. He obviously one of those guys with an endless supply of creative ideas that doesn't seem to stop or repeat. Very cool and swampy. I hope Musselwhite keeps this band together for another album and tour.

[Scott Miller]

I saw Musselwhite and them last night. I've jammed and hung out with those guys a lot (but not Musselwhite), so it was fun to finally see them with their main gig. Chris recently got a 1958 175 which he played until a string broke. June has been with Musselwhite for five years, so it seems like a long-term thing.

[Scott Miller]

For our family calendar this year, I drew my favorite guitars, the 1965 Epiphone Broadway on the left, and her boytoy, the H-44:

http://home.ix.netcom.com/~hebjo/guitar_people.jpg

[Dave Orban]

Caught harpist Carlos Colina (www.ccblues.com) last night in South Amboy, NJ, and sitting-in was our own Fretshop (Jersey George), channelling Roy Buchanan...! Wow! :JAM

Carlos is a great player/vocalist with a top-notch band, and hearing George's Tele licks in that context really ratcheted things up a notch...!

If you're in the Jersey area, you really need to catch these guys!

Thanks for letting me and Big Jim sit in, George. We had a blast, and that little Ampeg was just bitchin'...! :dude

[TwoFeets]

I picked this up on the (relative) cheap back in June because it had a few things that needed straightening. I just got it back the other day from a 6 month stay at Gibson's repair division in Nashville. It got a new fingerboard as the old one had been planed down and re-inlaid with dots instead of parallelograms. new tailpiece and tuners. I chose not to have it re-refinned (it's got a refin on it now which has kind of a satin feel to it, not glossy), and I chose to keep the added-on toggle switch because it's actually pretty useful and if I keep it in the middle position I can still use the two volumes as blend controls.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350full.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350backfull.jpghttp://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350body.jpg

[TwoFeets]

Thanks to everyone who posted the replies to the Fats question 'specially Poppa Stoppa and Short Bus... and for the very cool little bits on the Rock This House intro that followed. Good stuff.

[KBR]

That is sweet, is it an ES 350?

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Way to go 2Feets and Scott! fred

[zappafrank]

WOW---2feets!!---they did a BEAUTIFUL job!!! That looks fantastic!---It was worth the wait---Oh man, that looks so dang fine---

A 50's Gibson Cutaway Fullsize Archtop/Hollowbody w/ 2 P90's has been my 'dream' guitar (along with a pre-cbs rosewood board strat---which I finally scrambled for 3 or 4 years ago---sold 2 strats, a reverb tank, and 600.00 cash to buy as they held it for 2 weeks while I tried to sell everything---got lucky, and it all worked out---could not afford one now---not even the refin I have now!!)

Thank (fill in deity of choice) for refins, repaired headstocks (as on my 65' es-330 and 66' es-335)---or I would not be able to have the privilege to play or 'own' (owning is always temporary---they get passed on at some point---'cause you can't take em' with you...) any vintage guitars---and although I like (and play) newer guitars, Like the Custom Shop stuff from Fender and Gibson---there is a difference in feel and response, and, yep, TONE when you find a good 'player' vintage guitar---some are crap, or too molested, but once in awhile the goodies pop up...

So far, so good for my older ones---except for the headstock repair on my 335 (the one I played on that Jimi Bott CD)----it started to separate at the repair about 2 months ago, and is in with an experienced luthier right now---previous owner must have had it done on the cheap to get it sold---sure seemed strong as hell when I got it---oh well---the repair guy says it will be really stable, and even 'look' better when it's done---

Sorry for the guitar ramble---but TwoFeets new acquisition got me going! What can I say---I love guitars as much as I love music---wish I didn't, but there ya go---

And I'll post 'something old-but-new-to-me' very soon---I have pics already, but it ain't in my hands (it's why I sold the Clark Reverb/Trem box)---and I am SO F'N GLAD that 2Feets has finally got that 350 back from Gibson!!!---He's been wanting a 50's Gibson for as long as I have!!!---It's VERY COOL!!! Congratulations---I can't believe how patient you were on this one---which is not exactly what yer known for!! LOL!

BTW---I may have some guits back on the block, to pay off the substantial debt I have just put myself in---I'll really have to sort that out, but I know it will include the 1940-41 (?) ES-100 and the 1980 blonde ES-175, and the Duggan-Smith archtop...MAYBE the Pee Wee, but I dunno 'bout that yet----just a heads up to all you folks first...

ac


YEA for TwoFeets!

[zappafrank]

That is sweet, is it an ES 350?

Yep!:dude

ac

[zappafrank]

Scott Miller---man, you are a hell of an artist!!--I love that!!

ac

[TwoFeets]

That is sweet, is it an ES 350?

Indeed it is! It's a '51

[Dave Orban]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350body.jpg
Sweet...! :dude :dude :dude

[Poppa Stoppa]

Man Oh Man - my broadband goes down for a day this side of the pond and there's two pages to read & digest - so much good stuff!

Jetlag I got some homework to do on those JOB sides, I know! I will check out those 'Rock This House' tips & get back to ya!

Jimfog / Grooveking gonna try that fingering too thank you...

Played a gig tonight with an H-62, Victorilux and a Clarke Gainster - lots of great tones! That H-62 is one of those guitars that does the thinking for you - you can just hear where it wants to go next (great for these tin ears)- it could even bring out the best on 'Mustang Sally' I swear!!

[Poppa Stoppa]

Anyone know what chord Fats played for the V7?I hear it as a straight B7 played on the second fret:
e-2
b-0
g-2
d-1
a-2
e-x

You just gotta pick which notes you play - upper strings mainly - I think!

[Strat-O]

Beautiful guitar!

[Scott Miller]

Crikey! Hummel's harp blow-out January 4 at Moe's:

Mark Hummel
Rick Estrin
Rod Piazza
Kim Wilson
Billy Boy Arnold

Rusty Zinn and whoever Hummel has on guitar these days, most likely Bob Welsh.

I might have to go to that one...

[Echo Are]

Bob Welsh gives good twang. Emphasis on the word twang: he plays with a really,really clean tone. He usually plays a Guild Starfire IV into a blackface Super Reverb, and one would think he'd get some dirt out of that rig, lol.

Hey, Scott--I love yer cartoon, especially the Epiphone's lightning bolt coat. Why dontcha post more of your drawings online?

[zappafrank]

Bob Welsh gives good twang. Emphasis on the word twang: he plays with a really,really clean tone. He usually plays a Guild Starfire IV into a blackface Super Reverb, and one would think he'd get some dirt out of that rig, lol.

Hey, Scott--I love yer cartoon, especially the Epiphone's lightning bolt coat. Why dontcha post more of your drawings online?


Yeah, Scott---more of your drawings would be great---you are REALLY good!!!

if you don't wanna post 'em, howabout emailing 'em????

ac

[fretshop]

Caught harpist Carlos Colina (www.ccblues.com (http://www.ccblues.com)) last night in South Amboy, NJ, and sitting-in was our own Fretnot (Jersey George), channelling Roy Buchanan...! Wow! :JAM

Carlos is a great player/vocalist with a top-notch band, and hearing George's Tele licks in that context really ratcheted things up a notch...!

If you're in the Jersey area, you really need to catch these guys!

Thanks for letting me and Big Jim sit in, George. We had a blast, and that little Ampeg was just bitchin'...! :dude

This is Jersey George G. Reporting from Hang Over Central in South Amboy, New Joiiiisey. The two Mojo Gypsies sitting in with Mr. Carlos Colina two evenings ago were quite the "buzz" at Sunday's happy hour at the Blue Moon Cafe. Talk about tone...Guitarist Dave Orban needs to tell a wondering public much more about the hunk of wood and iron he had slung over his shoulder, not to mention the custom C.C. pup in the monster's neck. I must say, I did contemplate stealing it...but then, tone being in the fingers, I couldn't sound like Dave Orban, even wih HIS guitar. Now...although a close to full house caught only a taste of what was delivered hot and ready by these two gangsters (Mr. Orban, and his Harpist-Vocalist Jim Quinlan), Mr. and Mrs. America need to hear more. A final thought...What's there to expect with the full band ?...We'll find out this Friday night in Princeton, NJ...and tell ALL. Until then, it's your Jersey G-Man reporting from the hang-over capital of the east.

[fretshop]

So you are saying you refused her tip, and didn't do the song? I understand some of the stigma associated with playing Mustang Sally, but, seriously, maybe you should dig out Wilson Pickett, Albert Collins, or Buddy Guy's version with Jeff Beck and give them a good listen before deciding you're too hip to play that song. Just my opinion.


Have you heard the late 80's version by Magic Slim...where the band goes into an all acapella verse ? When ever I can find Sax-Flute man Jesse Morrison, I like to hit the audience square in the soul with an arangement of "M.S." using a Tele, a B-3, Jesse's killer voice, and his tasty flute solos.
We S-L-O-W it down at the onset, having fun with lots of jazzy instrumental interplay, then we go where it takes us...sometimes it can work into a several minute thing.

Many of the clubs I work at are frequented by inner-city folks who are deep into 50'-60's R&B, Jazz and blues...you don't see many young faces. These people work hard all week and they expect to be entertained. Mustang Sally is a standard tune in that atmosphere.

I guess it's a territorial thing...Pete, are you there?

[Dave Orban]

You're WAY too kind, George...! Nonetheless it was a LOT of fun, and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing you and Carlos again! And I *still* can't get over how much roar was coming out of that little Ampeg! :dude

[rhartt1234]

Here's one that escaped my radar since it's a Jazz thng but certainly will be of interest to those here.
Deep Blue Organ Trio
Goin' To Town: Live at the Green Mill
http://www.delmark.com/delmark.newjazz.htm
Organist Chris Foreman played with the Mighty Blue Kings for a while including the live CD.

[fretshop]

You're WAY too kind, George...! Nonetheless it was a LOT of fun, and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing you and Carlos again! And I *still* can't get over how much roar was coming out of that little Ampeg! :dude

I'll call you to get the info on your Friday gig. I'll also need your mailing address.

Yeah, I love that little Jet amp. I was really amazed at how loud the Reverberocket 2 was at sound check...and I just couldn't use it in that room. The RR-2 sounded almost anemic at home, but it was overwhelming at the club. I installed a '59 P12-N which added some bottom, and when pushed, is all 50's Chi-Town tone to the bone. Now to find a venue where I can use it at its sweet spot.

[Scott Miller]

Bob's Starfire/Super rig *sounds* clean, but I've played it, and when you stand right by it, you can hear some bitchen distortion going on. So, it's not as clean as you think. It's an odd phenomena, possibly explained by those Starfiires not having any sustain to speak of.

Some close-ups of one of my watercolors can be seen at:

http://home.ix.netcom.com/~hebjo/pic2.html

I was an artist for part of my life. Still am, to some degree.

Magic Slim played Mustang Sally when I saw him a few weeks ago. And the crowd goes wild...

- Scott M

[TwoFeets]

I'll call you to get the info on your Friday gig. I'll also need your mailing address.

Yeah, I love that little Jet amp. I was really amazed at how loud the Reverberocket 2 was at sound check...and I just couldn't use it in that room. The RR-2 sounded almost anemic at home, but it was overwhelming at the club. I installed a '59 P12-N which added some bottom, and when pushed, is all 50's Chi-Town tone to the bone. Now to find a venue where I can use it at its sweet spot.

My Jet blew up on me at the gig Saturday night. Really weird because it was a very low volume gig for a bunch of people who just got off the wrinkle bus.

[musicofanatic5]

I have employed various methods of dealing with the Mustangsally syndrome throught the years. One is to state that we will play the dreaded song if an audience member can name the original artist who recorded the song. It doesn't take long for some knowitall genius to yell Wilson Pickett, but you know none of these v-neck sweater wearing, drunken suburban honkies ever heard of Sir Mack Rice.
Another device I have taken great sadistic pleasure in is to play the song, and when you get to the refrain (of course, the only reason people like this song is so they can sing along: Ridesallyride), repeat it. And repeat it again. And again and again, over and over... These Budlite-swilling morons on the dancefloor are pretty game for a while, but it's pretty funny to watch them dropping out one by one after you've worn 'em down with about 15 relentless minutes of this idiot refrain. They're usually so drunk they don't realize what's going on till they just drop from total exhaustion. Thought we were gonna have to call an ambulance a coupla times. Ah, I love my people...Pull!

[Dave Orban]

I'll call you to get the info on your Friday gig. I'll also need your mailing address.

Yeah, I love that little Jet amp. I was really amazed at how loud the Reverberocket 2 was at sound check...and I just couldn't use it in that room. The RR-2 sounded almost anemic at home, but it was overwhelming at the club. I installed a '59 P12-N which added some bottom, and when pushed, is all 50's Chi-Town tone to the bone. Now to find a venue where I can use it at its sweet spot.
Here's a link to info about the gig: http://www.mojogypsies.com/gypsies/news/

I'll email you address info later...

[musicofanatic5]

I picked this up on the (relative) cheap back in June because it had a few things that needed straightening. I just got it back the other day from a 6 month stay at Gibson's repair division in Nashville. It got a new fingerboard as the old one had been planed down and re-inlaid with dots instead of parallelograms. new tailpiece and tuners. I chose not to have it re-refinned (it's got a refin on it now which has kind of a satin feel to it, not glossy), and I chose to keep the added-on toggle switch because it's actually pretty useful and if I keep it in the middle position I can still use the two volumes as blend controls.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350full.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350backfull.jpghttp://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/itchytwofeets/350body.jpg
Twof-Man, I searched high and low for a three-knob 350 when I finally gave up and settled on an ES-5 (same year-51). The damn middle p.u. gets in the way and the polepieces chew up my picks. Much rather have had the 350, so I'm jealous! Too bad about losing the old board; there's nothing like the feel of that old brazilian under the fingers. But whatta gtr!!

[aja]

I could be crazy or screwed something up because I thought I posted this.
I bought a couple killer cd's Delbert Mcclinton live in Austin,Tx. and The
five blind boys of alabama. The blind boys stuff is great it sounds like their
voices are gonna blow out they sing so hard.

Cool new axe too. It looks good, I can only imagine what it sounds like.

[maxVsf]

Have you heard the late 80's version by Magic Slim...

Thanks, fretshop... I was gonna bring that up later as the graduate course after they checked out the others (including Sir Mack).

BTW, I played with Sonny Rhodes for years in the late eighties... Eli's, etc....... we might have done MS a time or two. Hell, if not, I wouldn't mind hearing Sonny sing it. He was at Eli's this week, with Rene Solis on guitar.

[dddelta]

Here's something to keep you Blues-occupied when your online!

http://www.desktopblues.lichtlabor.ch/

[TwoFeets]

Twof-Man, I searched high and low for a three-knob 350 when I finally gave up and settled on an ES-5 (same year-51). The damn middle p.u. gets in the way and the polepieces chew up my picks. Much rather have had the 350, so I'm jealous! Too bad about losing the old board; there's nothing like the feel of that old brazilian under the fingers. But whatta gtr!!

Thanks a lot man! Sorry about the ES-5 - but your post goes a little way to make me feel better about the 50's ES5 with finish problems that's up on Ebay right now for about $3500. I had been looking all over for an ES5 in the $3500 range when I found this ES350 and I was somewhat kicking myself when this one showed up the same week I got the 350 back. I'll breathe a little easier now!

I just wish I could get my hands on whoever planed the original board down. You gotta wonder what people were thinking.

[fretshop]

Thanks, fretshop... I was gonna bring that up later as the graduate course after they checked out the others (including Sir Mack).

BTW, I played with Sonny Rhodes for years in the late eighties... Eli's, etc....... we might have done MS a time or two. Hell, if not, I wouldn't mind hearing Sonny sing it. He was at Eli's this week, with Rene Solis on guitar.


I'm a San Jose kid....so I knew a few of the old crowd at Eli's and The Chateau Liberte. When Jetlag first introduced me to Junior Watson, after about five minutes we were chuckling about guys we both knew from high school days in San Jose and Campbell....Small world. I worked with Sonny and Frankie Lee off and on from about '87-'90. I'm sure you know cowboy. Sonny and Bobby Murray were responsible for getting me in with Johnny Copeland and Joe Hughes. Alot of those cats stayed at our house when they were in the area, so I had a heads up on things. When Bobby went with Etta James, he and the Urban Turban recommended me for those gigs right over the dinner table. I learned ALOT working with those older cats. Mustang Sally...we did it in a variety of different styles..depending on the geography, and that's where I got the idea of trying a more sultry, suggestive version, using the organ and flute (no pun intended). IMO, The flute itself adds such a jazzy and cool vibe to the song. I'd love to see Lynwood Slim do a vocal/flute arrangement of M.S.
Regretably, Sonny and I drifted apart for alot of reasons and haven't spoken in years.

[pete kanaras]

I have employed various methods of dealing with the Mustangsally syndrome throught the years

me too. if it's my gig i won't do it period. no discussion about it, and no amount of money can change my mind. yes i feel that strongly about it. same thing goes for any song i dislike intensely. my gig, my stage. and if i have to i'll even tell a fib and simply say i don't know it. nobody can say anything to you when you tell them that. shuts 'em down every time.

but if it's not my gig i'll do the song with no complaint and i'll be hating every second of it. i'll look around and see if there's a bud who wants to sit in, IF it's ok with the bandleader. but if there is'nt i then say to myself "well, it'll be over in 3:27!" man i would never make it in a top 40 band.
i blame the whole ms syndrome on "The Commitments".

very smart man, Sir Mack Rice. kept all his publishing on that song.
one song set him up for life.

[TwoFeets]

Didn't Sir Mack Rice pen "Cheaper to Keep Her" too?

[HappyValley]

Thanks a lot man! Sorry about the ES-5 - but your post goes a little way to make me feel better about the 50's ES5 with finish problems that's up on Ebay right now for about $3500..

Geesh.....What a sad world we're in, talking ES-5's VS. 350's..... " Dah-ddy, MUST I have the BMW? I SOOO prefer the Mercedes!! :rotflmao I want an umpah-loompa and I want it NOW!! LOL!!

I've owned both an ES-5 (still do) and a '350. The difference to ME is the top wood. Some '350's came with spruce (ala L-5) tops, which have a dramatic difference in tone...brighter, woodier, uhmmmm-"jazzier"?... neither good nor bad, if you will-just more feedback, given the carved top. Personally, having owned a '53 '350 w/ laminate top and and my current '50 ES-5, I find the '5 does more things better;
Which, TwoFeets, means nothing, considering I haven't heard that GORGEOUS guitar of yours!


In the not so serious category, been mulling thru old photos...omigod. Checking out my rigs and ...ahem...HAIR...from the early days...what a hoot!! Pompadouriam! Got some shots w/ a parts strat and..get this.. bolo tie w/a RED shirt and grey tweed coat ...gawdamnn!! In Memphis '94!! 3 Years Prior to the band's entry into the Goofy Blues Contest! Wish I still had that hair, though.....;)

[Echo Are]

Not blues music, but certainly blues and R & B-influenced to some degree: History of Trojan Records 1968-1971 Vol. 1(2-CD set) is an excellent listen for those of you into Ska, Rock Steady and early Reggae tuneage.

**The pathway to Reggae is more or less: Ska(ca.1962-1966==>Rock Steady(1966-'68)==>Reggae(mid.-1968)**...tempo gets slower, bass carries more of the melody as path progresses

Anyway, guitar-wise, I would think that one could lift a ton of licks from the horn parts in this set. Jamaica apparently had a treasure trove of great horn players in those days.

One tune I'll mention(so many cool ones, too many to mention all of 'em): "The Tide Is High" by The Paragons, a 1966('67?) Rock Steady classic. Yep, Blondie covered this song years later and had a big hit with it.

[dukeh62]

Not blues music, but certainly blues and R & B-influenced to some degree: History of Trojan Records 1968-1971 Vol. 1(2-CD set) is an excellent listen for those of you into Ska, Rock Steady and early Reggae tuneage.

**The pathway to Reggae is more or less: Ska(ca.1962-1966==>Rock Steady(1966-'68)==>Reggae(mid.-1968)**...tempo gets slower, bass carries more of the melody as path progresses

Anyway, guitar-wise, I would think that one could lift a ton of licks from the horn parts in this set. Jamaica apparently had a treasure trove of great horn players in those days.

One tune I'll mention(so many cool ones, too many to mention all of 'em): "The Tide Is High" by The Paragons, a 1966('67?) Rock Steady classic. Yep, Blondie covered this song years later and had a big hit with it.

That's a great box set. We've been incorporating some early ska tunes into our set. With just a little massaging they are fantastic blues tunes!

[fretshop]

What was the name of that place in Rochester (?) where all the amps were ? I think Mike Law posted some photos.

[S.W.Erdnase]

Dec 12th, 2006 06:25 AM Edit (http://www.fenderforum.com/edit_message.html?message_number=7244479) Profile (http://www.fenderforum.com/guestbook.html?user_name=Lesterstrat) Print Topic (http://www.fenderforum.com/printmessage.html?db=messages&db2=topics&topic_number=352911) Search Topic (http://www.fenderforum.com/searchthreadgateway.php?topic_number=352911) This thread is done as it's no longer appropriate for this forum (Non-Fender GEAR forum). It's a Pay-to-Play Moe's topic. If you want to discuss these kinds of topics, become a contributing member and do it in Moe's.R.I.P. "The West Coast Blues Appreciation Thread".

The above was posted by Lesterstrat (should be Bureaucrat, but whatever).

[dukeh62]

R.I.P. "The West Coast Blues Appreciation Thread".

The above was posted by Lesterstrat (should be Bureaustrat, but whatever).

Man...that doesn't surprise me. The guys that run "that other board" pulled their power trip on me a while back regarding a post I made that somehow didn't conform to one of their bazillion rules...posts that we're allowed to make freely here. That's why I started the thread over here.

This brings up a good point...we should all try to make a little contribution to The Gear Page guys. I did so last year, and just did again. Even a few bucks can help. Just hit the "make a donation" button in the upper left. Just takes a minute.

[Dave Orban]

Man...that doesn't surprise me. The guys that run "that other board" pulled their power trip on me a while back regarding a post that made that somehow didn't conform to one of their bazillion rules...posts that we're allowed to make freely here. That's why I started the thread over here.
I haven't visited that site in a couple of years. And I don't think I've missed anything. LOL!

[GOLDENSTRAT]

re: the fdp lockdown,
I raise a toast to Fretshop, 2Feets, Scott, AC, Duke, Strat-O and all the others that have enriched my musical life the past 2 1/2 with this thread! I again invite lurkers to join in , with so many views, I know someone out there has a great anecdote or lick to share. thanks again, fred

[Dave Orban]

re: the fdp lockdown,
I raise a toast to Fretshop, 2Feets, Scott, AC, Duke, Strat-O and all the others that have enriched my musical life the past 2 1/2 with this thread! I again invite lurkers to join in , with so many views, I know someone out there has a great anecdote or lick to share. thanks again, fredAmen! Lots of great info to be found here, and some pretty cool people, too! :dude

[fretshop]

Amen! Lots of great info to be found here, and some pretty cool people, too! :dude

Dave,

We'll see you Friday evening. My buddy Mike may come in from Pennsylvania as well. The menu looks inviting....and so do the ladies on the site.

[zappafrank]

R.I.P. "The West Coast Blues Appreciation Thread".

The above was posted by Lesterstrat (should be Bureaucrat, but whatever).


Thanks for posting this info, S.W.---I was kicked off LONG ago---for a 'political' view---no, I did not post it in a vacuum---I just posted a link that said the same thing as someone else had posted, but via a link that was 'left' of what was 'acceptable'---to give others that might not dig the original link another venue---that was a big no-no, I guess---and I had posted a LOT!!!

Anywho---Eric is right---I've been here long enough at the TGP, that it is way past time to contribute---this place at least will give you a warning!!! LOL---I promise to donate/contribute as soon as I'm able---next week or two---they have never given me s***, and I've learned a TON!!!!

Thanks to all of you that have 'schooled' me on stuff---you guys are the 'cream'---:D

ac

[zappafrank]

Dave,

We'll see you Friday evening. My buddy Mike may come in from Pennsylvania as well. The menu looks inviting....and so do the ladies on the site.


uhhh--- I can't make it, but can I see pics of these 'ladies'???

ac

[Scott Miller]

"Ska(ca.1962-1966==>Rock Steady(1966-'68)==>Reggae(mid.-1968)"

It's a mystery to me where the ska beat came from. I know a lot about island rhythms, and I don't see an antecedent. The Jamaican version of calypso was mento, but it's just a variation of the calypso beat. Ska is almost like a Colombian cumbia, or a cha cha.

As for that other thread, I figured it was doomed when someone mentioned this thread on the Gear Page last week.

[nmontz]

Uh..it was my fault probably this week on the old thread. The post I mentioned the gear page was gone after the thread was moved today. It didn't seem like the latest posters knew about the move and they were saying the only reason they joined was because of the wcbat. I figured they would like this thread too...I've been lurkin and posting from the beginning of the original fdp thread and there has been a lot of great info shared between us all. I don't really understand the move or the removal of my post...but it wasn't my call. I'm all for sharing as much info as possible. I live in the middle of nowhere so finding a venue with like minded individuals from all over the world is a godsend. I still vist both places on a daily basis...so no bad blood from either. Hope I didn't step on any toes either place? oops...

[fretshop]

uhhh--- I can't make it, but can I see pics of these 'ladies'???

ac


www.sotto128.com (http://www.sotto128.com)

check out the lovely Sandy et al.

[Echo Are]

"Ska(ca.1962-1966==>Rock Steady(1966-'68)==>Reggae(mid.-1968)"

It's a mystery to me where the ska beat came from. I know a lot about island rhythms, and I don't see an antecedent. The Jamaican version of calypso was mento, but it's just a variation of the calypso beat. Ska is almost like a Colombian cumbia, or a cha cha.

From what I've read in over the years in various articles, it came from a combination of mento and American R & B and blues, heard from American radio stations in the '50s. That's the key, I think: Jamaicans listening in to American AM radio floating across the Gulf of Mexico and into the Caribbean Sea. Because, I dunno, to my ears the ska beat sounds like a "mento-ized" shuffle.

Oh, and of course said American R & B records played by the mobile "Sound System" guys 'round the island in the '50s and early-'60s, thus helping to further spread that key musical ingredient.

[zappafrank]

Ya know---I just went to check the fdp thread, and, at least the very last posting, before it was 'moved' to the 'members only' place (moe's) was this:

Hi,
first of all: I love this thread - lots of good info -you guys are great!
For all of you who dig Hollywood Fats - and I am sure some of you do - go and visit YouTube and go for "James Harman and Hollywood Fats". I uploaded two videos ..Hope you like it, Max

that seems like a fitting end---

RIP

ac

[zappafrank]

And here's those killer links---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAiflh4LWK4

and---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na5XVdxjAcw


I love this stuff!!!---

thank you 'max'---whoever/wherever you are---

ac

[aja]

No more West coast blues appreciation thread ?

[Poppa Stoppa]

You beat me to it ac! Killer! How long's it gonna take the good Max to check in here?!

Nmontz - I don't see how you could've trodden on anybody's toes in either place...!

Also I want to echo previous sentiments here - I've been hanging round here for 9 months or so, and I have learned an awful lot I'd never have found out otherwise from the like-minded blues guys here, so thanks to all you guys. The expense has been damnable but it's been a lotta fun...

[Scott Miller]

"No more West coast blues appreciation thread ?"

It got moved, that's all.

Hey, you know that backward or flat-tire shuffle is pretty close to the swinging ska beat. "My Boy Lollipop," for sure.

[valcotone]

And here's those killer links---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAiflh4LWK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na5XVdxjAcw

I love this stuff!!!--- thank you 'max'---whoever/wherever you are--- ac

WOW, the 2nd clip is just killer! Thanks AC (and Max)! :D

[RickyKing]

Would someone mind explaining the weird lesterstrat west coast all done post to me.
I don't get it???

[Scott Miller]

"Would someone mind explaining the weird lesterstrat west coast all done post to me."

A while ago, someone started a thread in another forum about how to get the Hollywood Fats/etc. tone, which evolved into a West Coast Blues Appreciation (WCBA) thread. For various reasons, the thread was restarted on this (Gear Page) forum. It continued to live on the other forum, but with not nearly the amount of activity. Recently, it got moved to a new location on the original forum where you have to be a contributer to post to it.

Man, I am the KING of neutrality.

[GOLDENSTRAT]

Hooooookay, here goes...... In a galaxy far, far away (The FDP) , Charlie started a WCBAT. Many of us here joined in and it was good. Due to having minds of their own, AC and Duke got booted and things slowed way down there. Duke jumped over here and started this here WCBAT and things were good again. The original WCBAT has limped along and today got shut down for awhile and then re-assigned to a pay-to-participate arena at the FDP. Lesterstrat is a mod there. Thats the story for now. fred , but apparently Scott beat me to it while I was typing!
Scott, I keep waiting for Edward Gorey or J.B. Lenoir to appear in your drawing.

[valcotone]

Would someone mind explaining the weird lesterstrat west coast all done post to me.
I don't get it???


On the Fender Discussion Page there was a precursor to this thread which was also called "West Coast Blues Appreciate Thread"... and it ran for a couple of years until things got a little weird and Eric opened the first WCBAT here at TGP. I guess the mods on the FDP recently decided to move "their" thread to a different part of the FDP site where only paying customers can post, so lesterstrat's post was commenting on that.

It has nothing to do with the status of this thread we're keeping active here...

[RickyKing]

So,why do the folks over there feel the need to post that bulletin here.
BTW who really cares about the FDP anyway?

[btg]

Last night I put in a live recording of a CD Sumter Bruton formerly of the Texas band the Juke Jumpers gave me featuring the Juke Jumpers backing T-99 Nelson in Houston and some of them backing Robert Ealey in the Bluebird night club in Fort Worth. The Juke Jumpers were one of the great Texas bands that never got their due. They were contempories of the T-Bird and Fats bands and Sumpter is a great T-Bone/Goree Carter type player. Did anyone ever get a chance to see them?

[straightblues]

Because the owner of the FDP Mr. Greene is a prick and he has kicked many of us off, including myself. I got kicked off because I responded to a church pastor who asked if anyone had an echo that they would be willing to sell his church band for cheap. I posted yeah, I will sell you my mint Roland Space Echo for $200 (market value closer to $500) because I want to help the church. Mr. Greene threw me off for adverstising gear for sale. He said he would let me back on if and only if I paid him $30. You can guess what I told him. Any good favor I gained with God by partially donating my echo to the Church was surely dimished by my response to Mr. Greene.

I surely hope nobody pays that guy so they can see the West Coast Thread. This thread over here, and the Gear Page in general is just a much better place to be.

[Scott Miller]

Awright awright, enough about the FDP awlready.

I've heard good things about the Juke Jumpers, but have never heard them. Reading their history page, I see that Mike Judge played bass with them for a while. Har! He also played with Hummel in the early 80's; the bass player in my band took over his spot when he left, so I'm three degrees removed from Beavis and Butthead!

[btg]

You know rumor has it that Beavis and Butthead were inspired by Johnny Moeller and Paul Size when they were younger

[KBR]

Awright awright, enough about the FDP awlready.

I've heard good things about the Juke Jumpers, but have never heard them. Reading their history page, I see that Mike Judge played bass with them for a while. Har! He also played with Hummel in the early 80's; the bass player in my band took over his spot when he left, so I'm three degrees removed from Beavis and Butthead!

Cool Scott,

I recorded with Beavis, (Anson Funderburgh)
I never met Butt Head.

[Dave Orban]

Yeah, let's get back to the topic at hand...! :dude

[rjkohrs]

Living in the Houston area during the early 80's, afforded me the opportunity to see the Juke Jumpers in action alot of times. They seemed to pass through town quite often, playing at either Fitzgerald's or Rockefeller's. I remember a tight rockin', rollin', swingin' band!
Randy

[S.W.Erdnase]

So,why do the folks over there feel the need to post that bulletin here.
BTW who really cares about the FDP anyway?

I pop in there very occasionally - as I did yesterday and saw the thread was locked. I'm not one of the folks from over there.

Some of us know the background to this great thread here starting and would find it amusing that "Daddy Warbucks" and his Bureacrats at the Eff Dee Pee had moved the WCBAT to a pay per view zone, is all.

The rest of you go about your daily bidness.

Hay? Anyone bought the two volume 'early years' Bill Clarke stuff? Looks fahn!

[zappafrank]

IThe rest of you go about your daily bidness.

Hay? Anyone bought the two volume 'early years' Bill Clarke stuff? Looks fahn!

Well---I want them, But I just picked up that new W. Clarke DVD Live at Brother Matt's, for my harp playing friend's xmas present, so maybe next month I'll get those 2 early Clarke discs---

PS---I have a new toy in 'da house as of this wednesday, as soon as UPS drops it off, and I can confirm it's still 'alive', I'll post the pics...:jo

Can't Wait!!

ac

[S.W.Erdnase]

I have a new toy, too: a Clark Penrose. I had it shipped to Dave B back in Oz, with him thinking it was another "huge Champ in a box" harp amp. Boy was he surprised when he found a Pro.

I can't wait to get back to Oz in January and try out the new toy...

Glad I squeezed over the line just before Mike Clark retired.

[zappafrank]

I have a new toy, too: a Clark Penrose. I had it shipped to Dave B back in Oz, with him thinking it was another "huge Champ in a box" harp amp. Boy was he surprised when he found a Pro.

I can't wait to get back to Oz in January and try out the new toy...

Glad I squeezed over the line just before Mike Clark retired.

Yeah---I'm glad I got my Beaufort with a 15" speaker in a pro size cabinet (a mini pro???) when I did---It's a great little amp for sure!---Congrats on your Penrose!---let me know how the volume works for you in a live situation---I thought about that amp, but really needed less wattage---still can be plenty loud in a smallish-medium club!---what speaker did you get? Mine came with a Weber P15N copy (w/ enhanced treble, 'cause I find Webers a bit too dark---and guess what--it's STILL too dark of a speaker, for my tastes...)---it now has a 61' Jensen P15N---well--it DID---that speaker's in the shop for repairs---sigh---my never ending story--

CONGRATS, S.W.!

ac

[fretshop]

Last night I put in a live recording of a CD Sumter Bruton formerly of the Texas band the Juke Jumpers gave me featuring the Juke Jumpers backing T-99 Nelson in Houston and some of them backing Robert Ealey in the Bluebird night club in Fort Worth. The Juke Jumpers were one of the great Texas bands that never got their due. They were contempories of the T-Bird and Fats bands and Sumpter is a great T-Bone/Goree Carter type player. Did anyone ever get a chance to see them?

Kudos !!! Now you're gettin' into it !! Most folks I meet on these threads react with a bewildered shrug when I mention The Brutons and a few other guys and gals.

Anson introduced me to Sumpter in the mid 80's and I met his brother Steven some years later. Killer players...both. They introduced me to acquaintances of theirs, originally out of Houston & Fort Worth named Alan Haynes (I don't know if I spelled Alan correctly...whatever) and a young guy named Dave Milsap, who you all might want to check out. Dave Milsap was in tight with none other than Ray Sharpe. (the tune..."Linda Lu").

I may still have Milsap's CD "Nothing but Trouble" which shows off some real Texas chops.

Whew !! Now you got me all wound up...I might just take the day off and go home and play some git-tar.