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oscar100
10-06-2006, 04:03 AM
or is it just hype?

for instance is you buy a slab body suhr classic T with 9-12 radius and 6105s and put in teh gvcg alnico pups -

what are you getting for teh extra $3k other than v precise relicing and some old pots (r they bettre than teh rs guitarworks t kit?)

i would imagine both suhr and GCVG use top quality woods and processes

now ive never played a really old t ( but have played 50's strats that i actually didnt like) so i cant compare first hand

be interested to get your thoughts from owners and non owners

:AOK

Gerald Johnson
10-06-2006, 04:31 AM
Well, Jo,
As you know, I`ve only had my `63 Inca Silver slab-board for a week, but I am more than impressed. The body is aged northern alder, with thin nitro reliced finish. The maple neck is hardened nitro finished and has a beautifully rolled edge, giving that old, played-in feeling. It really does have that vintage vibe about it. The pick-ups are Jason Lollars, specially wound for GVCG. They have all the twang and bite of the old Fenders, but a lot more "clout", especially at the bottom end. The neck pick-up is a revelation - thick and powerful!
I have a John Suhr all-koa tele, a Fender Custom Shop tele and a Fender John English Masterbuilt thinline tele. All are tonally completely different. The Suhr is much brighter and "chimey", with exceptional build quality and finish.The pick-ups on the thinline are surprisingly mellow and a little "thin" sounding. The custom shop model has a humbucker at the neck, so is really a different sound altogether.
I`ve been lucky enough to play a late 50`s and early 60`s Fender tele and cannot honestly say that either was better than the GVCG! I would heartily recommend the GVCG to anyone, rather than pay crazy money for an early genuine article!

Gerald.:AOK

matte
10-06-2006, 06:32 AM
or is it just hype?

for instance is you buy a slab body suhr classic T with 9-12 radius and 6105s and put in teh gvcg alnico pups -

what are you getting for teh extra $3k other than v precise relicing and some old pots (r they bettre than teh rs guitarworks t kit?)

i would imagine both suhr and GCVG use top quality woods and processes

now ive never played a really old t ( but have played 50's strats that i actually didnt like) so i cant compare first hand

be interested to get your thoughts from owners and non owners

:AOK
yes. there is a considerable difference that i immediately notice, as regards both feel and tone. it would be absurd for me to state with confidence that you (or anyone else, for that matter) would make the same observations/draw the same conclusions.

i've owned a slew of "50s and early "60s fender strats, as well as having had guitars of the same specs built by the fcs(mb by john cruz(50th ann 54 strat), greg fessler(50th ann 54 strat), john english(2 50th ann 54 strats, 60 strat), 15 maple neck relic strats, suhr(2 ash body maple neck strats built to my specs) and gvcg(3 strats and 2 teles). fender can still make an incredible guitar and they fall right behing gvcg, for my tastes.

Kyle vs. Guitar
10-06-2006, 08:38 AM
So what happened to the new GVCGs that Cliff said, earlier this year, were "coming very soon"?

Docgab
10-06-2006, 08:52 AM
I have owned both a GVCG Tele ('59 Slab with Hamel pups) and a GVCG Strat ('61 also with Hamels). I have also had both a Suhr T and S. The GVCG are a different animal. Authentic relicing, vintage feel, vibe, and tone. I had my GVCG Strat in a friend of mine's shop (deals in vintage equipment). He said that if he didn't know that it was new he would swear that it was a real, early '60's Strat (it even smelled old).

To me the Suhrs are a modern iteration of the Tele and Strat. Great guitars, more versital and modern sounding. Geat necks (full C huge is my favorite).

With all this said the million dollar question still remains, are the GVCG worth the extra money? I can't say yes or no. But, I sold both of my GVCG's as I couldn't justify having so much money tied up in guitars. Further I was afraid to take them to gigs or jam sessions for the same reason.

I still have my Suhr Tele and love it. Just added a EJ Strat to fill that bill.

Just my 2 cents.

AJ Love
10-06-2006, 09:37 AM
In my limited experience (I've only played a couple of GVCG's) there is a *slight* difference in overall tone between GVCG and Suhr, and whether that *slight* difference is worth $3000 is up to the individual, and depending on tonal tastes, some might prefer the Suhr. I thought the build quality of the Suhr was better, because the GVCG was all scratched up and dirty looking, which I don't really care for (personal preference).

The GVCG's certainly look (to me) more "authentic" as a Relic (if you are into that sort of thing, I'm not) than Fender's offerings.

sanhozay
10-06-2006, 10:01 AM
Only silliness ensues when people ask others to define a benchmark that would make them happy. Stand up and be brave, jump in with both feet and form your own opinions. Can't afford the coin? Then punch your weight and play everything in your price range. If GVCG is in your wheel house then have at it and decide for yourself.

JMintzer
10-06-2006, 12:46 PM
The ONE GVCG I've had a chance to play was an incredible Tele. Fit, finish, relic'ing, playability and tone was all top shelf.

Was it $2K better than my Cunetto Nocaster relic? Tough question. For me, probably not, but I can definitely see why others could think so...

Try one, you just might like it.


Jamie

tonedaddy
10-06-2006, 03:33 PM
Only silliness ensues when people ask others to define a benchmark that would make them happy. Stand up and be brave, jump in with both feet and form your own opinions. Can't afford the coin? Then punch your weight and play everything in your price range. If GVCG is in your wheel house then have at it and decide for yourself.
This is the most concise/precise answer I've ever read on comparing gear.
It should be posted at the beginning of every gear comparison thread.
Read it 10 times before you decide to waste your time reading my much poorer, long-winded response.
:D


Comparing Suhr and GVCG?
I'll agree with everyone above in that to me, they're 2 different animals.


IMO,
- To me, the difference in ALL guitars is not just the parts and the paint.
- The difference is in the maker, and what objective they're trying to accomplish with that particular guitar.


Some folks feel/hear a difference in a maker's work.
Some folks don't.

Some folks want that difference in a maker's work.
Some folks don't.

Some folks think the maker's skills are worth paying for.
Some folks don't.


So:

Are Suhr's worth what they cost?
Are GVCG's worth what they cost?
OR
Are vintage Strats/Teles worth what they cost?


All of those guitars could be great guitars, and for any number of reasons, simply not work for you or me.
And any reason someone offers up for not liking any of them won't diminish that guitar being great for someone else.


If you've read many guitar comparisons here on TGP, you've probably heard folks talk about the "diminishing returns" of higher priced gear.
For example, if spending $1500 on a guitar or amp gets you >90% to your tonal destination, it might cost you $3000+ to get that last 10%.

And only you can decide if it's worth spending that last $3000.
(And if you find you're close to 100% for $1500 or less, then stop hanging around here because I can ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE you'll talk yourself into spending money you don't need to spend.)
:D


Can you hear/feel a difference in a $1000 guitar compared to a $3000 guitar compared to a $5000 guitar compared to a $25,000 guitar?

I have.
For me, some of those differences are worth paying for, and some aren't.
But that doesn't mean they're not worth it to someone else.


So, IMO,
You can't answer those questions for anyone but yourself.
And you can't criticize anyone else for their answers, either.

As others have said, just keep looking for builders who can give you the specs/quality/feel/sound you need in your price range.
There are great builders out there in every price range.
And if you'd like some impressions of those who've owned/played GVCGs, just do a search on "GVCG", and you'll find lots of folks who've posted about them.

Now see, you should have just read sanhosay's answer 10 times, instead of wasting your time reading mine.
;)

mgrier1
10-06-2006, 10:23 PM
When I consider a guitar for purchase, the main question I ask myself is: "Does it have life, personality, and soul ?"

Most of the guitars talked about here on TGP, have that. Single name makers usually are very intimate with instruments they ship...

Jonathan's guitars have his soul poured into them - you can simply see it and feel it... Is it the best Tele??? Don't ask me... Though I own one and love it, I'm sure someone can create an argument that the Suhr is better, or it's not really a Tele since it wasn't made in Fullerton, California (though Jonathan's are now made nearby me in Topanga)...

These are semantic arguments that fuel long-winded threads that go nowhere... You can find dozens of Tele-esque guitar makers who build superlative instruments that are all imbued with their own character... It really just boils down to your own opinion...

sanhozay has it right... Plunk down the money and take your chances... Opinions are great to read about, but until you play any of these fine guitars we talk about all day, you never really know...

For me, my Tele-quest has led me to assemble my own parts-caster just to "get inside" this venerable design and see what pieces really work for me... Maybe it will end up better than my GVCG (somehow, I really doubt it, though). All of these guitars are a combination of romantic and practical purchases (mostly romantic :rolleyes: )

Buy one, try it, keep it or flip it... simple as that.

2 cents and too much coffee :crazy

Best,

Mike

martie6621
10-07-2006, 09:31 AM
This may offend some but I am serious. I own or have owned some of the high end private makers guitars. Are they worth it? Only he who writes the check can say. Mostly subjective, but when one spends a lot for a piece they want to justify their expense - so at that time, it's worth it to them. Been there many times. The best way to judge is to ask how it will hold up on the resale side. If one takes a huge rinse off, it is hard to say it was "worth" the original expense. Things are cyclical. What is hot today may not be next year and of course the opposite is true as well. It's in the pursuit of the holy grail that makes it fun for some. The money, if one can afford it, is the price of the game. Ok spam dogs --- hit me:(

AJ Love
10-07-2006, 11:03 AM
Mostly subjective, but when one spends a lot for a piece they want to justify their expense - so at that time, it's worth it to them.

I think that is true but only to a point. For those of us who have owned multiple different Boutique guitars, what speaks loudest is which guitars become "keepers"

phretbored
10-07-2006, 12:46 PM
I played a fantastic GVGC Tele that just kills.
It had such a realistic "vintage and reliced" treatment that after seeing and playing it I was convinced there is no need to spend any money on vintage Fenders whatsoever...with all the conterfeiting going around and the fact that you can get such a high quality guitar from GVGC for much less the vintage Fenders look less appealing all the time.
If you want the tone and the vibe and no worries spend some $$$ on a nice GVGC instrument.

Suhr is putting out the best modern bolt on guitars IMHO.
They are outstanding.
If you want a solid, high performance, modern S-type instrument spend some $$$ on a nice Suhr.

landru64
10-07-2006, 01:38 PM
i played mrbungel's gvcg blackguard a couple of nights ago and it's pretty ridiculous. if i had the dough i'd have bought it. and i think it's still available..?

matte
10-08-2006, 02:04 PM
and i think it's still available..?not anymore. east coast bound.

landru64
10-08-2006, 02:27 PM
Good news. That's a fine instrument! One can be sure I will be on the hunt when I sell my landgraff head....

DestroyAllGuitars
10-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Jonathan returns from Europe this week and we will continue working on all the things necessary to launch the new GVCG line. It's been slow going as we've had much business to tend to aside from the actual designing and building of guitars. JW will be back in the saddle shortly and you will all know when we are ready to unleash the guitars as it will by no means be kept a secret. Jonathan has a tremendous passion for the (T style) guitars he builds and I can guarantee that the quality of his guitars only gets better as time moves on.

I care not to participate in the ridiculous arguments of which guitar sounds better or cheaper or whatever. I know what Jonathan is capable of and I know his motives, ethics and all the things that are important about him as a person. He's a Renaissance Man in the truest sense of the term and there are very few like him. He pours all of his self into everything he does whether it be building a guitar or crafting a song, and that is the difference.

Kyle vs. Guitar
10-08-2006, 07:17 PM
Thanks for the update! Sounds exciting.

J Purcell
10-08-2006, 07:18 PM
Thanks Cliff. You are a class act.
Looking forward to the new GVCG's.:BEER

54GT
10-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Cliff -

can't wait to see the next generation of Jonathan's work.

Corey

Seegs
10-10-2006, 12:28 AM
Good news. That's a fine instrument! One can be sure I will be on the hunt when I sell my landgraff head....

I'm crossing my fingers but hopefully it may be sooner than you think:AOK

I know if I had the scratch she'd be comin home!

Chow,
Seegs

alanbass1
10-10-2006, 12:02 PM
I wonder how the Vinetto Artefact's are going to compare?

matte
10-13-2006, 02:50 PM
yes there most certainly is a difference. i've owned a whole lotta "50's and early "60s fenders. incredible guitar. 6lb 10oz, 10s feel like 8s, neck like your old baseball glove. all the right dna.
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AJ Love
10-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Nice pictures, Matte... pretty cool!

landru64
10-13-2006, 03:23 PM
is that the most recent acquisition?

matte
10-13-2006, 03:33 PM
is that the most recent acquisition?yessir it is. i don't need to tell you what an incredible musical instrument it is.

sanhozay
10-13-2006, 03:35 PM
Dang, Jonathan brings it. Lollars?

landru64
10-13-2006, 03:36 PM
yessir it is. i don't need to tell you what an incredible musical instrument it is.

similarly, you don't have to tell me what an idiot i was not to buy it. i know this deeply :rotflmao

matte
10-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Dang, Jonathan brings it. Lollars?i haven't taken the guitar apart yet so i don't know. this is my 3rd gvcg tele. each one of them have been equally remarkable with their own unique and specific qualities(both sonically and aesthetically).

landru64
10-13-2006, 03:43 PM
i think it had hamel pickups

matte
10-13-2006, 03:47 PM
i think it had hamel pickupsmy 1st 2 bg gvcgs had hamels. they sound fantastic in everything from my selmer zodiac to my uberschall.

sanhozay
10-13-2006, 03:51 PM
i haven't taken the guitar apart yet so i don't know. this is my 3rd gvcg tele. each one of them have been equally remarkable with their own unique and specific qualities(both sonically and aesthetically).

I bet it's a treasure. Weathered blackguard Tele's {to me} are the most visually significant looking guitars on the planet. They just scream, "Electrify Me!"

GuitarsFromMars
10-13-2006, 04:06 PM
i haven't taken the guitar apart yet so i don't know. this is my 3rd gvcg tele. each one of them have been equally remarkable with their own unique and specific qualities(both sonically and aesthetically).

I can't for the life of me,think of a reason to take it apart,other than for the rust to fall off the chrome plating,but I will say as well,that it IS a work of art.:drool :cool:

matte
10-13-2006, 04:10 PM
I can't for the life of me,think of a reason to take it apart,other than for the rust to fall off the chrome plating,but I will say as well,that it IS a work of art.:drool :cool:agreed.

AJ Love
10-13-2006, 05:48 PM
As I've mentioned, GVCG guitars are, to me, the most "realistic" looking Relics made and I think Matte's pictures reflect that. That Tele looks like it could have come right out of the Blackguard Book, 'cept maybe the frets are a little shiny. Looks like a 50's Telecaster w/refret. Killer

mrbungel
10-13-2006, 09:27 PM
Hamel pickups, I'll miss that girl, but Matte will do her right.

telesquire
10-15-2006, 12:04 PM
Nice guitar Matte,and attracted some good bids on ebay the other week before you bought it.I'm surprised no one used the BIN price then.

matte
10-15-2006, 12:14 PM
Nice guitar Matte,and attracted some good bids on ebay the other week before you bought it.I'm surprised no one used the BIN price then.thanks for the good word. incredible guitar and i feel fortunate to own and operate it. spent 11 hours tracking with it yesterday. it sits in dense tracks perfectly without any eq. i ran it through a dual amp rig with a selmer zodiac and a trainwreck express running in parallel. not bad.

fatback
10-15-2006, 12:34 PM
That's a beauty Matte. My GVCG blackguard ended my tele search last year.

Mrgearguy
10-17-2006, 11:30 AM
Man, That just RIPS! Now, if it only said Fender on it... (ducks)

Seriously, that thing looks like it would play itself, so fine.

ricoh
10-17-2006, 07:41 PM
...with all the conterfeiting going around and the fact that you can get such a high quality guitar from GVGC for much less the vintage Fenders look less appealing all the time.


I know these are fantastic guitars as my pal owns a Strat and Tele but
basically they are counterfeits. I have been around vintage guitars for most of my guitar playing life {since the sixties...yikes} and when I saw the GVCG that my buddy owned I could not tell the difference between it and my vintage tele. Will they still be as sought after when they no longer have the same headstock and decal?

AJ Love
10-17-2006, 08:47 PM
I know these are fantastic guitars as my pal owns a Strat and Tele but
basically they are counterfeits. I have been around vintage guitars for most of my guitar playing life {since the sixties...yikes} and when I saw the GVCG that my buddy owned I could not tell the difference between it and my vintage tele. Will they still be as sought after when they no longer have the same headstock and decal?

I think that's a valid point. I bet they won't be as sought after, but there will still be a big market for them. The used prices for the GVCG F*nder "Clones" (I prefer the word "Clone" over "Counterfeit", but whatever) will likely go up, perhaps a good bit...

As evidenced from when Lentz stopped making Clones, there is a certain segment of the marketplace that *only* wants Clones. Granted with Lentz it's a bit different as he designed an entire new line of Guitars as opposed to simply changing the headstock and decal, but still...

phretbored
10-18-2006, 12:52 AM
Because of the quality of the clones the vintage Fender market has lost all it's appeal to me personally.
The clones are that good.

kingsleyd
10-18-2006, 07:50 AM
(I prefer the word "Clone" over "Counterfeit", but whatever)

Semantically, I think "reproduction" is the correct term.

They aren't "counterfeit" because GVCG never attempted to portray or sell them as REAL vintage Fenders. (although some of the component parts may in fact be vintage Fender parts)

They aren't "clones" because they aren't exact duplicates of one particular guitar.

wsaraceni
10-18-2006, 08:58 AM
stupid question. whats a gvcg guitar? is it made with real fender parts? the bridge is stamped fender on it. whats the headstock look like

kingsleyd
10-18-2006, 09:18 AM
stupid question. whats a gvcg guitar? is it made with real fender parts? the bridge is stamped fender on it. whats the headstock look like

GVCG = Greenwich Village Custom Guitars

They are built by a guy named Jonathan Wilson. Up until Fender got wind of it and shut him down (more or less) he built reproductions of vintage Fenders, headstock w/ decals and all. JW sourced parts in a number of ways, including some vintage Fender parts in some guitars, although for any individual GVCG instrument it's impossible to know exactly what went into it without talking to Jonathan. For most owners, the proof is in the pudding, i.e., where the parts originated isn't nearly as important as the fact that the end result is an instrument of stunning quality.

There have been a number of threads here discussing these guitars. However, Cliff C. at Destroy All Guitars (who is also active on TGP) is probably the best source of factual information.

AJ Love
10-18-2006, 10:13 AM
Semantically, I think "reproduction" is the correct term.
.

Ahhh yes, you are indeed correct. Thanks.

kingsleyd
10-18-2006, 12:56 PM
Ahhh yes, you are indeed correct. Thanks.

We can only hope that everyone agrees to use that term. It would save a lot of posturing and arguing around here!

AJ Love
10-18-2006, 01:14 PM
We can only hope that everyone agrees to use that term. It would save a lot of posturing and arguing around here!

Which term? "You are indeed correct" or "Reproduction"? ;)

GVCG's are really cool guitars. I'm looking forward to checking out the new models with the new (upgraded?!) headstock and seeing where Jonathan takes his muse, or where the muse takes him.

tonedaddy
10-18-2006, 03:29 PM
As I've mentioned, GVCG guitars are, to me, the most "realistic" looking Relics made and I think Matte's pictures reflect that. That Tele looks like it could have come right out of the Blackguard Book, 'cept maybe the frets are a little shiny. Looks like a 50's Telecaster w/refret. Killer
I agree.
I'm sure its looks are only matched by its tones!
Congrats, Matte!
:AOK

57special
10-18-2006, 03:55 PM
Which term? "You are indeed correct" or "Reproduction"? ;)

GVCG's are really cool guitars. I'm looking forward to checking out the new models with the new (upgraded?!) headstock and seeing where Jonathan takes his muse, or where the muse takes him.

I will be interested to see whether the headstock is changed for reasons other than aesthetics or legal repercussions. Possibly a thicker headstock for more sustain, or a slight backwards slant giving more angle and pressure on the upper strings , possibly replacing the need for a string tree(s) ?

landru64
11-01-2006, 03:12 AM
just an update... got my gvcg tele from gordon. it's incredibly special. just as special as the one i played a few weeks ago that ended up with matte. these are ridiculous guitars. my tech who helped me with a setup was just flabbergasted. in his words "this is as good as any old one i've seen, and i've seen a lot of old ones"

kingsleyd
11-01-2006, 07:38 AM
and a heads-up: Mark (www.marksguitarloft.com (http://www.marksguitarloft.com)) has one for sale in Dakota Red.

mrfjones
11-01-2006, 08:02 AM
I would love to have that Dakota but, it is a little out of my range right now

57special
11-01-2006, 08:41 AM
just an update... got my gvcg tele from gordon. it's incredibly special. just as special as the one i played a few weeks ago that ended up with matte. these are ridiculous guitars. my tech who helped me with a setup was just flabbergasted. in his words "this is as good as any old one i've seen, and i've seen a lot of old ones"

Gordon's got good stuff, and is a great guy to deal with.

Seegs
11-01-2006, 09:14 AM
just an update... got my gvcg tele from gordon. it's incredibly special. just as special as the one i played a few weeks ago that ended up with matte. these are ridiculous guitars. my tech who helped me with a setup was just flabbergasted. in his words "this is as good as any old one i've seen, and i've seen a lot of old ones"

cograts man use it well...do you know what the neck measures at the first fret and what pus are in it?

Chow,
Seegs

landru64
11-01-2006, 11:34 AM
cograts man use it well...do you know what the neck measures at the first fret and what pus are in it?

Chow,
Seegs

gordon recalls it to be 1.625" and .940". soft v. the pickups are the lollar/gvcg. the bridge is the alnico 3 flatpole

AJ Love
11-01-2006, 11:41 AM
I think that folks like Wilson and Lentz have spent a ton of time over decades with Vintage Fenders, which gives them unique insight as to what made those old guitars (the good ones anyways) so great. They then apply a few modern tweaks and end up with superior quality instruments

Seegs
11-01-2006, 01:08 PM
gordon recalls it to be 1.625" and .940". soft v. the pickups are the lollar/gvcg. the bridge is the alnico 3 flatpole

sounds great...I've got those pus in my tele only W/staggered bridge...love em especially the neck clarity!

Chow,
Seegs

pokey
11-01-2006, 05:38 PM
I think that folks like Wilson and Lentz have spent a ton of time over decades with Vintage Fenders, which gives them unique insight as to what made those old guitars (the good ones anyways) so great. They then apply a few modern tweaks and end up with superior quality instruments

Apple's to orange's. Lentz builds his guitars from scratch more or less. I think Jw's strength was in his relic finishes and setup.

You say JW has spent "a ton of time over decades with vintage Fenders." I thought he was a younger guy?

landru64
11-01-2006, 11:34 PM
Apple's to orange's. Lentz builds his guitars from scratch more or less. I think Jw's strength was in his relic finishes and setup.

You say JW has spent "a ton of time over decades with vintage Fenders." I thought he was a younger guy?

i'm being a little hyperbolic here, but this idea that you have to cut the tree down yourself and mill the bridge yourself and chrome it in your garage out of view of OSHA and otherwise do everything else yourself isn't the determinant of quality or specialness of a guitar. it's neither necessary nor sufficient for greatness. it can't be, because i've played too many special guitars, from MIM strats to sadowskys to suhrs to gvcg's. and i've played guitars made by guys who 'build from scratch' and they've sucked. and costed 5k. (and were ugly too! ha!)

jw's strength is not only finishes and setup. actually, based on the two specimens i've played, i'd say sadowsky, suhr, tyler, grosh et al get the gold medal in setup comparatively, with the caveat that i've never received a guitar directly from jw. what's really special about jw's guitars (at least the two i've played, and based on other comments by owners) is his ability to put together something with a strongly textured voice that speaks like a vintage instrument. this is a very sophisticated art that i think is really hard to do in any kind of quantity. i gather that lentz has this ability as well, from friends who have owned lots of his guitars.

e-z
11-01-2006, 11:49 PM
i'm being a little hyperbolic here, but this idea that you have to cut the tree down yourself and mill the bridge yourself and chrome it in your garage out of view of OSHA and otherwise do everything else yourself isn't the determinant of quality or specialness of a guitar. it's neither necessary nor sufficient for greatness.

Well said.

George Johnson
11-02-2006, 12:22 AM
jw's strength <snip> is his ability to put together something with a strongly
textured voice that speaks like a vintage instrument. this is a very sophisticated art
that i think is really hard to do in any kind of quantity.


word.



.

landru64
11-02-2006, 01:27 PM
maybe some of you gvcg experts might know... how many guitars has jw made?

George Johnson
11-02-2006, 08:11 PM
Not an expert by any stretch, but I'm thinkin' maybe 30 "S" types.

No idea on the "T" 's.

eric-d
11-03-2006, 11:29 PM
does anyone have pics of his work?? google's not being my friend...

MAGICboy
11-03-2006, 11:36 PM
does anyone have pics of his work?? google's not being my friend...

heh... believe me you dont wanna know eric.. :drool

I have 3 of em
SICK sick SICK instruments.. 1st one I had made me nervous it was so good..

landru64
11-03-2006, 11:37 PM
heh... believe me you dont wanna know eric.. :drool

I have 3 of em
SICK sick SICK instruments.. 1st one I had made me nervous it was so good..

yeah, they're a bit like crack.

MAGICboy
11-03-2006, 11:42 PM
yeah, they're a bit like crack.

yeah.. If I wasnt playing it the thing was hidden.. kinda weird never been like that over a guitar.. I had a new hiding spot every day, wraped up in the cloths hamper, under the bed, behind the couch, under the couch.. Man.. drove me nuts.. :worried

eric-d
11-03-2006, 11:46 PM
Seriously Sean, email me some pics..... I've never seen one...

PS- Answer your phone sometime... :p

landru64
11-03-2006, 11:58 PM
just emailed you pics of mine

eric-d
11-04-2006, 12:29 AM
just emailed you pics of mine

Nice... I need more money!!! :)

tonedaddy
11-04-2006, 05:14 AM
does anyone have pics of his work?? google's not being my friend...

There are some pics and links to pics on these 2 threads:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=184527
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=139824

Burstplayer
11-06-2006, 08:00 PM
Dakota at Marks' is now sold.:(

landru64
11-07-2006, 05:03 AM
that was a beauty. these things really are like crack. i used mine on a jazz gig tonight. screw the hollowbody!

tivory
07-28-2007, 04:18 PM
i'd love to talk to the person who bought the last strat that jonathan made that weighed 6.5lbs and had a huge neck profile. well i would pay a huge premium to buy that guitar. i have some major physical limitations that result in my needing featherweight guitars with sumo wrestler necks. jonathan built me a two tone tele custom slab board that is the best tele i've ever owned and i can't get hold of him even to build me a "s" style neck let alone a guitar. if anyone close to jonathan thinks he might build just a neck or that he might have an unused rswd mega neck that he would part with please have him email me at tpivory@gmail.com. again if the owner of that '59 GVCG "ultimate" marykay featherweight "S"would contact me i greatly appreciate it as well. thanks so much. tom

phretbored
07-29-2007, 07:45 PM
Tom,

Hey I hope all is well with you!

Your GVGC Tele is indeed amazing!

It is the very guitar I mentioned earlier in this thread and it made me 100% convinced to forget about vintage Fenders because that market cannot be trusted.