Thanks, µ¿ z3®ø™, Camel Audio Info (Again)

[LSchefman]

So...taking your advice, µ¿ z3®ø™, I bought Camel Audio's CamelPhat and CamelSpace.

I dig them all by themselves as plug in effects, and in addition, they DO work especially well with Cameleon. Just as you said.

The combination is extremely cool, and quite powerful.

I haven't a clue as to your Secret Identity, but the advice was Super, man!

;)

[Bassomatic]

I haven't a clue as to your Secret Identity, but the advice was Super, man!

;)

Yeah, time to do some lesssymbolicselfouting.:BEER

[trisonic]

I'll out him. It's Mr. Zero.

Best, Pete.

[Greggy]

Ok, so I'm not the other guy who is the subject of this thread. Nevertheless, I have decided to out myself.

I am Yanni. Thank you.
http://www.yanni.com/

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

So...taking your advice, µ¿ z3®ø™, I bought Camel Audio's CamelPhat and CamelSpace.

OK, my advice was to NOT buy them if U were still getting a lot of use from the very bent ohmforce plugz. i think u are just rationalising buying yet more plugs and then trying to blame someone else (me) for suggesting that U do so.
i can hear it now, "but honey, i really wasn't happy w/ cameleon5000 just by itself and zero said that i NEEDED camelphat and camelspace."
just don't give her my e-mail address, OK?
but seriously...
anybody that digs the ohmforce plugs is gonna appreciate the camel plugs as well. i also have a sneaking suspicion that the guy who codes camel stuff designed them to augment each other.
here's some more advice. never get involved w/ cycling 74's Max/MSP.
it's like the logic environment times the square root of evil.

[LSchefman]

>>"but honey, i really wasn't happy w/ cameleon5000 just by itself and zero said that i NEEDED camelphat and camelspace."<<

Ha!

Actually...they were so useful on this video wall project, and so inexpensive, that no excuses were required. In fact, I bought another set the Camel Audio stuff for my son (I don't "share" software), so he could use them on his projects.

;)

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

(I don't "share" software)

kudos to camelaudio for not only, as U pointed out, making reasonably priced software, but bucking the trend of ever more complicated anti-piracy measures that really only affect the end user. pirates always find ways to krack software. i cannot believe the convoluted ways that i have authorised software so it would work and the handful of times when, thru no fault of my own, i have had to convince the author that i am a legit license holder. camelaudio has a simple 'install software and punch in serial number' technique.
my thought is that this is the perfect method. if copies of the software end up on file sharing networks, the author can then invalidate that serial number. i doubt that there would be many ppl 'sharing' their license when they loose it.

[JingleJungle]

...
here's some more advice. never get involved w/ cycling 74's Max/MSP.
it's like the logic environment times the square root of evil....

Can you please redefine the above sentence?
Is it to be interpreted as tongue-in-cheek or are you truly and intentionally trying to convey a negative recommendation? If so, on what basis?

Thx,

JJ

[µ¿ z3®ø™]

Can you please redefine the above sentence?

as les choose to ignore (and redefine) my advice regarding the camel audio products (i said they were good, but that if he hadn't exhausted/become tired of the ohmforce plugs that they could wait) i was tongue in cheek stating that Max/MSP should be avoided at all costs.
Max/MSP is an absolutely wonderful tool for those exploring the outer reaches of electronica. there are loads of preprogrammed configurations, but if one has the time (and it will suck time like nothing else) and inclination, it is possible to configure it to do almost anything one can conceive of. ReaKtor is much easier to deal w/ (if U have a computer w/ the horsepower) and is somewhat similar, in that it is possible to program within the constraints of it's environment. Max/MSP is much more versatile, but one must be willing to work within the tools it provides.
so, in short, it was tongue and cheek. i'm sure les is already familiar w/ Max/MSP and the peril that is involved w/ delving into it...

[JingleJungle]

Cool :) Sorry if my previous post seemed a little "pushy"...
Guess I love my Pluggo suite just a tad too much :D

JJ

[LSchefman]

The cycling 74 stuff is wonderful.

There's so much cool stuff out there.

I know this sounds utterly crazy, but I find that working in the computer environment is simply more enjoyable than screwing around with a bunch of hardware synths, samplers and effects.

I don't know why this is. Maybe I just got tired of squinting into little two line displays, and learning a new nomenclature every time a synth or sampler made it home with me...

But there's something I love about the speed of working with these plugs...they are far less of an obstacle to creativity, at least to me.

I realize other people have different opinions, so I'm not saying everyone else needs to feel this way.

I just gave away my last hardware synths and samplers a few weeks ago!

Then again, I decided that I want a Moog Voyager for some inexplicable reason...

[elambo]

I know this sounds utterly crazy, but I find that working in the computer environment is simply more enjoyable than screwing around with a bunch of hardware synths, samplers and effects.

...

Then again, I decided that I want a Moog Voyager for some inexplicable reason...


Two sides of the fence there, and I understand them both. I enjoy the interface and interactivity a computer can offer, but I certainly miss the organic sound of true analog gear. Plugin instruments are just not the same. NONE of them, even those that are a direct port of their hardware equivalent. Some energy is lost when you take the electrical "energy" out of the equation.

I have yet to buy a hardware Moog, but it's on my short list. Every time I play one in a music store I have trouble understanding why I don't have one already. 6 or 7 years ago I got an SE-1 and it's similar, but not a replacement. The Voyager sounds great. Which one of us is going to cave in first?

[JingleJungle]

Hmmm...same here.
I love my old crusty synths (korg Wavestation EX, Quasimidi Polymorph, Waldorf first series (80s) Microwave I, Korg MS2000) and my wacky analog stuff (old Roland RE501, Waldorf X-Pole, Filterbank, Moog parametric EQ, Kurzweil midimate). But I also love - for totally different reasons - Absynth, Logic, Pluggo, etc. Guess I like those particular programs because they do not attempt to mimic any real-world machine.
I will go as far as saying that I'd love to do something with just a laptop & "weird science" ;) plus analog guitar & fx.

JJ

[LSchefman]

>>The Voyager sounds great. Which one of us is going to cave in first?<<

Depends on when my next decent sized project comes! ;)