View Full Version : What Eminence sounds closest to a 12F150 or C12N?
mbratch
12-25-2006, 09:14 AM
Eminence makes so many speakers I figure one of them is close. Perhaps the Red, White, and Blues?
Teleplayer
12-25-2006, 09:35 AM
Go to www.webervst.com (http://www.webervst.com). They will have a good Jensen match. I am also confised with the 16zillion speakers made by Eminence.
Eminence makes so many speakers I figure one of them is close. Perhaps the Red, White, and Blues?
I am actually curious about the same thing. Anyone have any input?
mbratch
12-25-2006, 10:10 AM
Go to www.webervst.com (http://www.webervst.com). They will have a good Jensen match. I am also confised with the 16zillion speakers made by Eminence.Yep, I've read their descriptions so Ted's fairly clear on which of his speakers replace vintage Jensens. But I'm wondering what Eminence speakers are the close C12N or 12F150 match.
ericb
12-25-2006, 10:18 AM
None of the Eminences are like a C12n. (at least none I've tried.. They're all a good deal 'better' for me, but if someone is looking for a vintage C12n type speaker look elsewhere.
Eric
CarlH
12-25-2006, 10:38 AM
I would think the closest is the Legend 125. However, it is not real close to the C12N. I wish Eminence would make a C12N clone.
Boogs
12-25-2006, 12:13 PM
The Webers are not so expensive that they should scare anyone off. I mean, a Blue is something to think twice about versus a Red Fang or Blue Dog because of the price, but Weber's are VERY reasonable (if slightly more expensive than Emi's).
zimmer
12-25-2006, 12:56 PM
Eminence has other good speakers, but none are a direct match for the C12N.
The Webers are not so expensive that they should scare anyone off. I mean, a Blue is something to think twice about versus a Red Fang or Blue Dog because of the price, but Weber's are VERY reasonable (if slightly more expensive than Emi's).
I am just curious about Eminence because they have a local distributer, which makes them way cheaper.
Roccaforte Amps
12-25-2006, 01:34 PM
Go to www.webervst.com (http://www.webervst.com). They will have a good Jensen match. I am also confised with the 16zillion speakers made by Eminence.
Ah, weber makes quite a few different models too!
Boogs
12-25-2006, 06:34 PM
I am just curious about Eminence because they have a local distributer, which makes them way cheaper.
Heard that. Emi makes great speakers, to be sure....lots of good models.
I have been lucky enough to track down 2 Weber speakers locally and I love them. But I sort of have to 'take what I can get'. I got a great deal on a used 12A125 that I put in my Lil' Dawg Champster Special. I have decided I want to try something ceramic in that amp though. I don't know if I want an exact replica of a C12N, but just something similar to try.
I personally don't think Weber speakers are that bad of a price. Especially for the quality. But, shipping them into Canada adds some extra expense. Emi speakers from the local distributer are a LOT cheaper taking that into account. But there is definitely no questioning the quality of Weber speakers. To the original poster, if you want a good C12N, that is the way to go.
electroid
12-25-2006, 08:19 PM
The new C12N is not really that far off from an original, maybe a bit brighter and it does get a little harsh if pushed hard.
The closest Eminence I've heard is the "Private Jack". It is supposed to be copy of a Celestion Greenback but is really a little tighter and a little brighter than a Greenback. As compared to a re-issue C12N, the Eminence is a little warmer with a slight bump in the lower mids and it's a little smoother when pushed hard. It has a 50 watt rating.
CarlH
12-25-2006, 08:32 PM
The Webers are not so expensive that they should scare anyone off. I mean, a Blue is something to think twice about versus a Red Fang or Blue Dog because of the price, but Weber's are VERY reasonable (if slightly more expensive than Emi's).
The Weber that most people use and think is like a C12N (the 12F150) is darker than the C12N in most Fender amps from what I have read and heard in the sound sample. It has the wrong cone in it (it looks more like a P12N cone). The 12F150A looks more like the C12Ns that came in Fender amps (it has the curved inverted ribbed cone more like the reissue Jensen C12N). I don't have any expericen with either Weber speaker, but I think it is common knowledge that the Weber 12F150 is darker than a real vintage C12N. If I were going to buy a Weber, I would find out more about the 12F150A.
The new C12N is not really that far off from an original, maybe a bit brighter and it does get a little harsh if pushed hard.
The closest Eminence I've heard is the "Private Jack". It is supposed to be copy of a Celestion Greenback but is really a little tighter and a little brighter than a Greenback. As compared to a re-issue C12N, the Eminence is a little warmer with a slight bump in the lower mids and it's a little smoother when pushed hard. It has a 50 watt rating.
I thought the Legend GB12 was Eminence's version of the Greeback? It's a really nice speaker too if you want a Greenback sounding speaker, but with a lot better bass.
I think the speaker I want is the Weber 12F125 ideally. But I don't know if I will be lucky enough to stumble onto one of those locally liek I did with the other 2.
Anyone know anything about the Weber Signature series? They are priced a lot lower then the other Webers. The ceramic Sig 12 is only $35.
electroid
12-26-2006, 08:30 AM
I thought the Legend GB12 was Eminence's version of the Greeback? It's a really nice speaker too if you want a Greenback sounding speaker, but with a lot better bass.
I think the speaker I want is the Weber 12F125 ideally. But I don't know if I will be lucky enough to stumble onto one of those locally liek I did with the other 2.
Anyone know anything about the Weber Signature series? They are priced a lot lower then the other Webers. The ceramic Sig 12 is only $35.
They're both Greenback replacements. Eminence says this about the GB128 "Private Jack flavor with improved definition". I haven't yet heard the GB128. I think I'll order one today to compare. I've been putting a lot of Private Jacks in Fenders and most people really like the result.
michael30
12-26-2006, 09:02 AM
Anyone know anything about the Weber Signature series? They are priced a lot lower then the other Webers. The ceramic Sig 12 is only $35.
I bought a batch of Signature 10" speakers (2 alnico & 2 ceramic). Amazingly good speakers for the price! BTW, if you think Webers get expensive when shipped to Canada, try shipping to Finland. The price per speaker (that originally cost $30) ended up close to $80.
CarlH
12-26-2006, 09:09 AM
I think the speaker I want is the Weber 12F125 ideally.
The Jensen C12Q or Weber 12F125 is probably the closest speaker to the stock Oxford found in the Deluxe Reverb. In fact, the Oxford is a loose copy of the Jensen C12Q.
However, most guys want higher power speakers in the DR nowdays to keep the low end more solid and to make the amp louder to gig with, but the lower C12Q power speaker probably sounds better at low to moderate volumes, especailly if you like the speaker to really be cooking. The same think IMO applies to the tweed Deluxe: IMO nothing sounds better at low to moderate volumes than a Jensen P12R, but most guys put higher power speakers in them for the same reasons above.
CarlH
12-26-2006, 09:18 AM
They're both Greenback replacements. Eminence says this about the GB128 "Private Jack flavor with improved definition". I haven't yet heard the GB128. I think I'll order one today to compare. I've been putting a lot of Private Jacks in Fenders and most people really like the result.
I've read some good comments about the GB128. Some guys say they are a little dark compared to a Celestion GB, but most guys say they sound great.
I have read from some posts that the Private Jack has a top end sizzle they some people don't like.
They are both British speakers with a little better difinition than the Celestion GB. I have not heard either speaker, but I don't think they would sound like a C12N. They would probably sound great.
Boogs
12-26-2006, 09:30 AM
The Legend GB12 is a fantastic speaker - good balance of sweetness and definition. One of the best of the Emi's I've tried.
GuitarNorton
12-26-2006, 09:53 AM
I have never heard or played a Fender C12N so I can't directly compare it to the Eminence Texas Heat but I have heard the Texas Heat described as being a C12N on steroids.
I've play my Clark 5E3 through a Clestion Blue and a Eminence Texas Heat and really like both speakers. The Heat has tighter bass, is clearer, and doesn't compress as much.
The Jensen C12Q or Weber 12F125 is probably the closest speaker to the stock Oxford found in the Deluxe Reverb. In fact, the Oxford is a loose copy of the Jensen C12Q.
However, most guys want higher power speakers in the DR nowdays to keep the low end more solid and to make the amp louder to gig with, but the lower C12Q power speaker probably sounds better at low to moderate volumes, especailly if you like the speaker to really be cooking. The same think IMO applies to the tweed Deluxe: IMO nothing sounds better at low to moderate volumes than a Jensen P12R, but most guys put higher power speakers in them for the same reasons above.
The amp I am thinking of putting a new speaker into is actually a Lil' Dawg Champster Special (Tweed Champ clone). It runs at about 8 watts. The Champster came with a P12R in it and I HATED it. It was just way too bright and harsh for my tastes. I have had a Weber 12A125A in it since then. I like that speaker, but it's still not quite what I am looking for. It's the amp which I was thinking about putting one of the Ceramic Signatures in.
My Princeton Reverb has a 12F150 in it (12" baffle). The speaker sounds great, but with a speaker like that in the amp it doesn't have the breakup that people associate with a PR. It's way more clean sounding. I am considering trying a less powerful speaker in it too just too see which tone I prefer. It's the amp I thought either a Ceramic Signature or a 12F125 might be good for.
Maybe I should try swapping the speakers and putting the 12F150 in the Champster and the 12A125A into the Princeton for an experiment. I never even though of that till now hah.
CarlH
12-26-2006, 11:51 AM
The amp I am thinking of putting a new speaker into is actually a Lil' Dawg Champster Special (Tweed Champ clone). It runs at about 8 watts. The Champster came with a P12R in it and I HATED it. It was just way too bright and harsh for my tastes.
Sometimes speakers sound awful (shrill, etc.) in one amp and great in another type of amp. You may just have to try different speakers in it until you find what you like, which can be expensive. It is probably best to have a speaker collection for such purposes if you don't mind having a bunch of speakers sitting around in boxes.
CarlH, I would love that but most times I have to sell the current speaker to buy the new one :)
I love my Eminence Cannabis Rex cab. However for Vintage speakers I have had great success dealing with Ted Weber. The speaker being one of the most important components of any amp should not be rejected for a few dollars.You may have that amp and speaker for many years. I have found even living in Canada that being able to phone and actually talk to someone with Ted`s vast speaker knowledge is invaluable. He has built me a few custom ceramic speakers ,broken them in all included in the price $90 . A good deal. I am going to buy another Eminance Cannabis Rex, but for vintage or special speaker requirements I am happy to pay a few bucks more and have a lifetime of enjoyment.Good luck!!
CarlH
12-26-2006, 02:16 PM
CarlH, I would love that but most times I have to sell the current speaker to buy the new one :)
I know what you mean. I also don't like the idea of having lots of money tied up in things that I am not using. I sold off a lot of mint vintage speakers for that reason. I loved all of them, but it bothered me that they were just sitting in boxes in my closet.
I want to buy some speakers for my two amps but I am very confused about what I want at this point.
Right now it seems the only amp I ever play in my Reverend Goblin. It has a Jensen Neo in it and I LOVE the sound. I am not sure how well a Neo would match with the Lil' Dawg though. And it's an expensive speaker to buy taking that into account.
mbratch
12-26-2006, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the interesting thoughts.
Just for the record, since a couple of respondents assumed, I am not trying to find a cheap way to get out of buying a Weber speaker. I think Webers are very reasonably priced. I own a Weber 12F150, a Jensen C12N (Italian), and an Eminence CRex. So far, the 12F150 and the CRex tie for being the best speakers of those 3 in my BFDR (just bought the CRex, so it's not broken in yet). The Italian Jensen is noticeably not as pleasant to my ear. So, I was curious if Eminence made a speaker that was trying to compete with the C12N on its own turf.
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