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electroid
12-28-2006, 01:49 PM
I hope this post isn't taken as spam or as attempt to gererate business but want to let everyone know about this. I think it's been mentioned in some other threads but I don't think it is general knowledge yet.

For those who have not heard.... The famous Sprague Atom capacitors are being phased out and will be discontinued. Wholesale prices just have just been sharply increased too. According to the folks at Mojotone, these increased prices will continue until the caps are priced out of the market.

If you've been considering getting that long overdue cap job and you want to use Atoms, it's time to contact your tech.

Other good replacements are still available but it looks like the Atoms are going the way of other "old technology". :(

Sparky6string
12-28-2006, 02:33 PM
Why?

Roccaforte Amps
12-28-2006, 03:26 PM
Why?





It's not profitable to continue making them.
Believe it or not, our industry is very small.

Blue Strat
12-28-2006, 03:37 PM
It's not profitable to continue making them.
Believe it or not, our industry is very small.

Yeah, imagine the volume difference between Atoms and electrolytics used in flat screen TVs or Ipods. Something like 100,000:1? It just ain't cost effective for the manufacturers to keep making items like this. I saw this coming 5 years ago.

So, what's everyone using as an alternative?

electroid
12-28-2006, 04:49 PM
Well, we can get get the Atoms for now (at much higher prices). F&T makes some pretty good high voltage caps, but not in all the correct values for amps. Their stuff is a little more expensive than last year's Atom prices but less then their new prices. We may be forced to go with Asian stuff eventually. Some of it is really pretty good. F&T seems to be expanding their line too. I'm in the process of investigating the various options.

reaiken
12-28-2006, 04:53 PM
I'd bet the evil RoHS has something to do with this, too...

Randall Aiken

electroid
12-28-2006, 04:59 PM
I'd bet the evil RoHS has something to do with this, too...

Randall Aiken

You're probably right. They are not RoHS compliant. That means no sales to EU countries.

reaiken
12-28-2006, 05:59 PM
You're probably right. They are not RoHS compliant. That means no sales to EU countries.

A lot of semiconductor manufacturers are dropping parts and phasing out anything not RoHS compliant. I keep getting end-of-life and lifetime-buy notices. It wouldn't surprise me to see all the axial-leaded and radial-leaded parts go away in favor of lead-free SMT.

Randall Aiken
"A pox on RoHS"

Roccaforte Amps
12-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Yeah, imagine the volume difference between Atoms and electrolytics used in flat screen TVs or Ipods. Something like 100,000:1? It just ain't cost effective for the manufacturers to keep making items like this. I saw this coming 5 years ago.

So, what's everyone using as an alternative?




The Atom's are not the greatest capacitors anyway, I'm not bothered by this. Anyone ever get any of their rattling 40mf 500V axils before?
I've had many bad ones.
I will give up one of my secrets here.
For Fenders that have the capacitor can cover, you can use snap mount, I wire them up with 18 ga buss wire, and then add enough foam to hold them tight under the cover. Who cares what it looks like, you can buy higher quality snap mounts over the atoms.
Enjoy.

Red Planet
12-28-2006, 06:38 PM
Oh well. In 25 more years we will all be listening to Classic Rap anyway. :crazyguy

billdurham
12-28-2006, 08:39 PM
Classic Rap.. now there's an oxymoron!

BD

rastaman
12-28-2006, 08:41 PM
Oh well. In 25 more years we will all be listening to Classic Rap anyway. :crazyguy


Amazing! He still has his wit when he feels like shit!! I hope you're feeling better dude!!

lastwinj
12-28-2006, 08:43 PM
The Atom's are not the greatest capacitors anyway, I'm not bothered by this. Anyone ever get any of their rattling 40mf 500V axils before?
I've had many bad ones.
I will give up one of my secrets here.
For Fenders that have the capacitor can cover, you can use snap mount, I wire them up with 18 ga buss wire, and then add enough foam to hold them tight under the cover. Who cares what it looks like, you can buy higher quality snap mounts over the atoms.
Enjoy.


+1. have been doin this for years. and snap mounts are plentiful in the surplus market, fresh.

VaughnC
12-28-2006, 08:48 PM
I can see the inflated amp ad's now......"Recapped with vintage Atom capacitors".

fyrwyr
12-28-2006, 09:21 PM
I'm just glad that Blackgates are not going out of production just yet, but they sure aren't cheap!

Topcat
12-28-2006, 09:38 PM
Say you bought a batch of these caps for future amp repairs. Do they dry out and become useless sitting on a shelf?? Or can they be slowly brought back up on a variac to reform properly?

I'm not any amp tech or builder but was just curious of this question. Would it be silly to snatch up some extra's of these to repair amps you may not get to right away?

Thanks, Terry

electroid
12-29-2006, 11:45 AM
Say you bought a batch of these caps for future amp repairs. Do they dry out and become useless sitting on a shelf?? Or can they be slowly brought back up on a variac to reform properly?

I'm not any amp tech or builder but was just curious of this question. Would it be silly to snatch up some extra's of these to repair amps you may not get to right away?

Thanks, Terry

I was wondering how long it would be before someone mentioned this. Personally, I don't believe in using NOS electrolytic capacitors of any type. They will go bad faster sitting on the shelf than when used regularly in an amp.

Glaze
12-29-2006, 02:01 PM
Oh well. In 25 more years we will all be listening to Classic Rap anyway. :crazyguy

Red

I thought we were already there. Aerosmith and RUN DMC released 'Walk This Way' together in 1986. To me this was the song that made rap popular to white America, made the record companies sit up and take notice(they started promoting it big time from this point on). Rap got popular fast since 1986 and I don't think it has ever slowed down since.

Nirvana get's the the credit for changing the musical landscape in the 90's. Aerosmith and Run DMC had the same type of impact in the late 80's.

Mike

Red Planet
12-29-2006, 07:17 PM
Amazing! He still has his wit when he feels like shit!! I hope you're feeling better dude!!

Me no feel better. Me fell worse. I'm working on a Severe Sinus Infection Coupled with a Case of Pink Eye. Its been running through our family. My Wife and Daughter havent gotten (hopefully they wont).

Ah but I'm working on the Magic Cure Right Now. Jose Quervo 1800 and Jose Tradicional TeKillya (blended by me), Grand Marnier, a little Margarettia Mix, some Sunny D, freshly Squezed Lime, Salt on the Rim, and Ice. It will either Cure Me or put Me Under. :D

Hey Bill hows the Amp doing? You need to hear my new Andrews A-22 Intimadator Edition. ;) It is the freakin Loudest two EL84 Amp I've ever heard. I'd put it right up there with the Loudest two 6V6 Amp I've ever heard (Your AX84 October). :hiP

This past Christmas Weekend we were at a Family Gathering and my Wifes Niece who comes from a very religious family decides to put on some Rap with some of the most Vulgar Lyrics I've ever heard. Fortunately my Qunyado turned it off and said we aint listening to that crap.

I'm all for all styles of music but let it be with Real Instraments and without Pornographic and Violent In Your Face Graphicness.


PS My Wife wants to know what the hells a Rastaman?

thearmofbarlow
12-29-2006, 07:34 PM
This past Christmas Weekend we were at a Family Gathering and my Wifes Niece who comes from a very religious family decides to put on some Rap with some of the most Vulgar Lyrics I've ever heard. Fortunately my Qunyado turned it off and said we aint listening to that crap.

I'm all for all styles of music but let it be with Real Instraments and without Pornographic and Violent In Your Face Graphicness.

So I'm guessing you don't like country then, right? I mean with guys like David Allan Coe how can you? :Spank

I suggest you check out some De La Soul or Run DMC. Hell, even NWA at times ("Express Yourself"). Most recent rap is utter crap, mainly because they just can't rap worth a damn.

BTW, fifty years ago guitars weren't real instruments either. In some circles, they still aren't. I'll tell you from experience that it is far more difficult to program a beat and make it sound good than it is to rehash 40 year old classic rock riffs.

Trout
12-29-2006, 07:50 PM
I thought we were already there. Aerosmith and RUN DMC released 'Walk This Way' together in 1986. To me this was the song that made rap popular to white America, made the record companies sit up and take notice(they started promoting it big time from this point on). Rap got popular fast since 1986 and I don't think it has ever slowed down since.


I thought Rap was a result of a drugged up White ex playboy model that wanted a career in music because it was trendy at the time.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/explayboybunnies/information/deborahharry.jpg

Wasn't Blondie( Deborah Harry) one of the first Hit Rap artists to hit the top ten with Rapture in 1980? haha The Man From Mars that eats guitars:eek:
Trout

Red Planet
12-29-2006, 07:55 PM
Oh really. Well funny Enuff I've programmed the type of Equipment you speak of and its childs play compared to the type of Geet Fiddle Playing I do.

PS I love Country. I especially enjoyed the recent Heartland, Carrie Underwood, and Brad Paisley show my Wife and I attended. The last time I checked Heartland wasnt Sampling or using Record Players, Pre Programmed Bass, and Drum Lines.

The Biggest thing I dont like about all the Pre Programmed stuff no matter how hard or easy it might be is that its not a Human with an Instrament Making Music from their Soul. Now this touches on other Devices used in recording in General (which I also dont agree with) but thats my feelings on the subject.

As far as in the Past I think a Synthaxe is an Instrament but a Pre Programmed Sample or otherwise Device is not an Instrament. Now in 50 years someone may make a hole other different Argument about this but it wouldnt be me and I would say it.

Is it hard work? Maybe. Is Welding a Certified Shielded Metal Arc Weld on a Very Large Piece of Steel hard work? Yes. Is it Music? No.

I suppose you could call it music if the Device were played like an Instrament. In other words whne recording or performing one hits a button and sound comes out one can play any said device as an Instrament. When one pre programs a device to generate sounds for recording or performance it would not be considered Music by me. It may be by you but you can not make a judgement call about how I feel. You can only state how you feel.

Now you can say well I fell such and such and so and so is music but to go to the heart of how I feel and what I believe is meaningless.

Red Planet
12-29-2006, 07:59 PM
I thought Rap was a result of a drugged up White ex playboy model that wanted a career in music because it was trendy at the time.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/explayboybunnies/information/deborahharry.jpg

Wasn't Blondie( Deborah Harry) one of the first Hit Rap artists to hit the top ten with Rapture in 1980? haha The Man From Mars that eats guitars:eek:
Trout


Yeah DH was pretty cool when she did it and it seemed Musical enuff to me. There have been a few Artists that have done it in a Musical Fashion but Like I should have said Most of it is Pure D Crap.

rastaman
12-29-2006, 10:55 PM
PS My Wife wants to know what the hells a Rastaman?



Well, did you tell her?

Red Planet
12-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Nope I just told her I posted the question. A real answer would be considered Treasonous. :D

I'm extremely sick and drunk tonight. Hell who knows I may even get kicked off. :horse

Though I do have an appointment Tuesday with my full time IT Guy.

Blue Strat
12-30-2006, 07:30 AM
I'm extremely sick and drunk tonight. .

Oh, NOW I understand. ;)

Witek
12-30-2006, 11:07 AM
So now that my plan of getting Atoms for my amp has kicked me in the arse, what is another company that carries good caps?

LarryN
12-31-2006, 01:05 AM
Could someone please describe what a snap mount is and who makes some decent ones? I simply never ran across the term, since I've always used axial Atoms.

electroid
12-31-2006, 08:17 AM
So now that my plan of getting Atoms for my amp has kicked me in the arse, what is another company that carries good caps?

Don't give up on Atoms yet. You can still get them if you don't mind paying the higher prices.

W.Bonomo
01-02-2007, 08:55 AM
Dear members of this community
My name is Walter Bonomo. I am Marketing Director for Aluminum capacitors for Vishay/Sprague and responsible for the TVA Atom product line, among others. I would like to state that, despite information on some websites, THERE IS NO INTENTION TO DISCONTINUE THE TVA ATOM PRODUCT LINE.
We were indeed forced to make price adjustments to this line due to increasing costs of raw materials. On the other hand, the intention is to continue the manufacturing and supply of these products, under the existing channels.
If any doubts, or if you want to check the authenticity of this post, please feel free to email me.
I appreciate if you can help me discontinue these rumors and spread the correct information.

Regards
Walter Bonomo
Marketing Director
Aluminum Capacitors
Vishay