Edwards guitar questions

[Songman]

Hi Guys!

I am starting to get interested in Les Paul type of guitar and found Edwards guitar.
I do have few newbie questions that some of you may able to answer

-Edwards Jimmy Page guitar, can you only get it in relic?

-How is Jimmy Page different than E-LP-90LTS shown here; http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121805
If specs are the same, I don't understand why you would pay more for Jimmy Page. Does it have his name or signiture stamped somwhere on the guitar or something?

thank you

[whitehall]

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/index2.html. Should answer your questions. LT means Lacquer Touch. Another way of saying....Not Poly Dipped.

[kherman]

The Jimmy Page replica is relic'd.
Meaning it's purposely worn, dinged, scratched, ext. like Jimmy's
original '59 LP is.
In other words, made to look like it has years and years of use.

So, if you like that used but not abused look get the JP.
If you prefer yours prestige. Get the 90LT.

Also, the Edwards is not endorsed by Page.
Only the actual Gibson Customshop one is.
But, the Gibson will cost you a first born.

[rickd]

Hi Guys!

I am starting to get interested in Les Paul type of guitar and found Edwards guitar.
I do have few newbie questions that some of you may able to answer

-Edwards Jimmy Page guitar, can you only get it in relic?

-How is Jimmy Page different than E-LP-90LTS shown here; http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121805
If specs are the same, I don't understand why you would pay more for Jimmy Page. Does it have his name or signiture stamped somwhere on the guitar or something?

thank you Whoa, I read that entire thread. Those guys are hardcore!

If it's not a Gibson don't post here? WTF?

:rolleyes:

[AlexF]

WRT to the LPForum mentioned above. What a bunch of compete w*nkers. Its a guitar not the third reich. That scouse arse living in norwich is just too much. Hope he posts here...
Al

[Thames]

Yeah, this forum is totally ridiculous IMO. I got banned (!!) 4 years ago because I told them that my early 80's Greco played better than the new Gibsons at the store.... imagine!

I had a Gib 3 years ago, and I sold it back few months later. Then I have this beauty from Edwards (JP relic too) and Im happier than ever!

[Songman]

So, Edwards Page Relic has solid maple top and Edwards 90LTS has solid maple top with veneer maple top on top, right?

[JimRayden]

Not to hijack the thread...

What about Edwards strats? Does the quality match the LP's? I'm drooling over this:
http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/original/E-SE-87MLT_2TS.jpg

Ooh, it has a push-pull pot for b+n and b+m+n. Sweet!

-------
Jimbo

[kherman]

So, Edwards Page Relic has solid maple top and Edwards 90LTS has solid maple top with veneer maple top on top, right?


No I do not believe so.
My understanding is it's a 90LTS that's just been relic'd.

Looking at this auction
http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/82/77/45b3_3.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/Edwards-ESP-LP-JP-Relic-CTM-Shop-Style-W-Super-Circuit_W0QQitemZ120071825798QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33 038QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks like you can see the veneer over the plain maple.
It doesn't look like the flame pattern goes all the way through.

In order to get a full flame top, you would probably have to get into the Navigator series.

Kent

[Eric Thomas]

It looks like you can see the veneer over the plain maple.
It doesn't look like the flame pattern goes all the way through.

In order to get a full flame top, you would probably have to get into the Navigator series.

Kent

That picture is a deceiving. The JP Relic is indeed a flamed veneer over a maple top, but the relicing on the edge only goes through the finish and not through the veneer. At least that's the way it is on mine. You can see the continuation of the flame to the edge of the guitar through the relic'd area on mine.

I went through three USA made Gibsons before taking a chance and buying a used Edwards JP Relic. I'm as happy as can be with the Edwards. Great guitar!

[Songman]

That picture is a deceiving. The JP Relic is indeed a flamed veneer over a maple top, but the relicing on the edge only goes through the finish and not through the veneer. At least that's the way it is on mine. You can see the continuation of the flame to the edge of the guitar through the relic'd area on mine.

I went through three USA made Gibsons before taking a chance and buying a used Edwards JP Relic. I'm as happy as can be with the Edwards. Great guitar!

THanks! this is great to know. HOwever now I am curious to why people would pay more for JP relic when they can get identical LTS90 for less?
Is it relic the only reason? or super circuit? So if I don't want relic or super circuit, I sould save me few $$$ and get the 90LTS...which is same/identical as JP relic without the options?

thanks again

[SgtThump]

The Edwards LP has a slightly different neck profile than other Edwards. It's supposed to be like the Gibby Page model, where I think it's a little skinnier towards the center and slightly fatter on the ends. Something like that. Either way, it's supposed to be a unique neck profile.

Also, alot of people (me included) like the relic'ed look. Fender and Gibson charge big money for that relic look, which is why the Edwards relic'ed guitars are slightly more than the non-relic'ed guitars. The relic'ing job is OKAY from a distance, but not all that realistic. Still, I liked it.

I've owned an Edwards JP model with the super circuit and a black Edwards LP Custom copy. Both were FANTASTIC guitars! They played and even more importantly, SOUNDED freaking awesome.

I highly suggest you get a model with the thin nitro finish and not the thick glossy finish. I've compared one of each directly and there is a huge difference in tone. The nitro finished guitars sound so much more resonant and "lively."

Chris

[Songman]

The Edwards LP has a slightly different neck profile than other Edwards. It's supposed to be like the Gibby Page model, where I think it's a little skinnier towards the center and slightly fatter on the ends. Something like that. Either way, it's supposed to be a unique neck profile.

Also, alot of people (me included) like the relic'ed look. Fender and Gibson charge big money for that relic look, which is why the Edwards relic'ed guitars are slightly more than the non-relic'ed guitars. The relic'ing job is OKAY from a distance, but not all that realistic. Still, I liked it.

I've owned an Edwards JP model with the super circuit and a black Edwards LP Custom copy. Both were FANTASTIC guitars! They played and even more importantly, SOUNDED freaking awesome.

I highly suggest you get a model with the thin nitro finish and not the thick glossy finish. I've compared one of each directly and there is a huge difference in tone. The nitro finished guitars sound so much more resonant and "lively."

Chris

Chris,
I just checked out your web and found out you have few EBMM guitars. Actually I am thinking of ordering one of those EBMM or Edwards Les Paul. How would you compare the two. JP relic with Super circuit is similar price to some of those EBMM models. Your opinions are greatly appreciated.
thanks

[buckwild]

THanks! this is great to know. HOwever now I am curious to why people would pay more for JP relic when they can get identical LTS90 for less?
Is it relic the only reason? or super circuit? So if I don't want relic or super circuit, I sould save me few $$$ and get the 90LTS...which is same/identical as JP relic without the options?

thanks again

The page model has the super circuit which is part of the reason it's a bit more. Honestly it's one of the best guitars I own. And I own a few Historic Gibsons. The neck on the Edwards Page is just amazing. IT feels so broken in and is a dream to play. Also, I believe the Edwards Page LP has a slightly weight relieved body. In my opinion the Page Edwards is well worth the increase in price unless you are completely adverse to a reliced guitar. Also, FYI the tuners on these models are a bit weak. I upgraded to standard Grovers and all my tuning problems went away.

[SgtThump]

Chris,
I just checked out your web and found out you have few EBMM guitars. Actually I am thinking of ordering one of those EBMM or Edwards Les Paul. How would you compare the two. JP relic with Super circuit is similar price to some of those EBMM models. Your opinions are greatly appreciated.
thanks

Well to be honest, I'm on a big EBMM kick right now. My website shows a Luke and a Morse, but I just sold the Luke and received a hardtail Axis Super Sport yesterday. I just haven't updated the website yet.

I absolutely positively love EBMM stuff! I also gigged with a Stingray bass for 1 1/2 years and it sounded and played freaking awesome! They make KILLER stuff! If you're after a Les Paul style of tone (not exact or anything, but closer than alot of other guitars), you should consider an Axis Super Sport. You HAVE to get the hardtail version, though, as a trem totally takes away from the hardtail "punch." I'm a hardtail guy for sure.

The Edwards stuff is FANTASTIC! No doubt about it! Very nice Japanese made guitars and look identical to Les Pauls from 5 feet away and apparently are very similar in specs to the OLD Les Pauls from the past. They don't feel like a modern Les Paul to me, but a buddy that's experienced with old Les Pauls say they are very similar to the old stuff.

Right this second, I think the EBMM is higher quality. It's made in the USA, feels high quality and sounds great. The Edwards stuff is great as well, but the EBMM stuff feels higher end to me.

[Eric Thomas]

The page model has the super circuit which is part of the reason it's a bit more. Honestly it's one of the best guitars I own. And I own a few Historic Gibsons. The neck on the Edwards Page is just amazing. IT feels so broken in and is a dream to play. Also, I believe the Edwards Page LP has a slightly weight relieved body. In my opinion the Page Edwards is well worth the increase in price unless you are completely adverse to a reliced guitar. Also, FYI the tuners on these models are a bit weak. I upgraded to standard Grovers and all my tuning problems went away.

The Page model is also available without the super circuit at a lower price. I bought mine used, but it was ordered without the super circut.

I agree on the neck. Very comfortable. From my experience, it's somewhere between the feel of the 50's and the 60's Gibson necks. The back of the neck does not feel as flat as some of the 60's necks and it's not as chunky as some of the 50's necks.

I have had minimal tuning stability problems on mine, but changing the tuners is something I am considering.

And you are right, the JP Relic is lighter weight than the other Edwards model. I don't remember the exact weight on mine, but it's under 8lbs.

After going through three USA Standards looking for the right LP I was prepared to go with a Historic next. Then the used Edwards popped up on the Forum and I figured why not give it a try. Completely meets my needs for an LP and I have absolutely no desire to move to a Historic. YMMV....

[Songman]

So,
Would you guys go super circuit or non-super circuit?

[buckwild]

I think for a bit more it's a cool thing to have the super switching. When I split the neck pickup I can get some super sweet strat style tones, and I think this has somethign to do with the lighter weight relieved body.

[kimonostereo]

My Page with Super Circuit is on order and should ship sometime next week... can't wait!

[AlexF]

I personally prefer the non JP models, I hate that fake relicing, it really isnt convincing, and why pay more for it? I dont believe the JP is lighter than other models, I think most if not all are weight relieved. The ones I have had my hands on have all been different weights, but all light. The super circuit thing is down to the individual, I have always found split humbuckers to be too thin and unuseable in a gigging situation. Who needs the complication and fiddly switches? Just my opinion...
Al

[SgtThump]

I personally prefer the non JP models, I hate that fake relicing, it really isnt convincing, and why pay more for it? I dont believe the JP is lighter than other models, I think most if not all are weight relieved. The ones I have had my hands on have all been different weights, but all light. The super circuit thing is down to the individual, I have always found split humbuckers to be too thin and unuseable in a gigging situation. Who needs the complication and fiddly switches? Just my opinion...
Al

Not all Edwards are weight relieved. I played a goldtop once with the thick glossy finish and it had to be at least 9-10lbs. Much heavier than the LP Custom copy and JP model I had (which I assume were both weight relieved, but I don't know for sure.)

Also, the "out of phase" options of the super circuit are cooler to me than the coil tapping.

[AlexF]

that's interesting to hear sgtthump, all the ones I have played (and owned) have been weight relieved - you can tell by the tone as well as the weight, kind of airy in a 335 way. I agree with your comment re out of phase vs coil tapped. They are still fiddly to use in a live situation though.
Al

[SgtThump]

that's interesting to hear sgtthump, all the ones I have played (and owned) have been weight relieved - you can tell by the tone as well as the weight, kind of airy in a 335 way. I agree with your comment re out of phase vs coil tapped. They are still fiddly to use in a live situation though.
Al

Yeah, that goldtop I'm talking about with the thick glossy finish that weighed 9-10lbs didn't sound anywhere near as good as the nitro finished lighter ones I owned either. I like that whole "open" or "airy" tone myself! :)

[Glowing Tubes]

I highly suggest you get a model with the thin nitro finish and not the thick glossy finish. I've compared one of each directly and there is a huge difference in tone. The nitro finished guitars sound so much more resonant and "lively."

Chris

I cant find info on nitro on the Edwards guitars, is that what they call "lacquer taste"?
What does that mean?

RC

[SgtThump]

I cant find info on nitro on the Edwards guitars, is that what they call "lacquer taste"?
What does that mean?

RC

Yeah, that's what I mean. I really don't know if it's "nitro" or even how to tell if it's nitro. I was calling it that, because the dealers that sell on eBay refer to it as a thin nitro finish usually.

I don't know why in the heck they call it "lacquer taste." I think that's funny, though! :)

[buckwild]

They use a thin layer of Lacquer over a polyurethane base so it's not entirely a lacquer finish.

[Eric Thomas]

They use a thin layer of Lacquer over a polyurethane base so it's not entirely a lacquer finish.

Correct. It is a thin finish, but the base is poly from what I have read. My guess is that theyfinish it off with nitro to give the finish a more vintage appearance.

[TwoGeez]

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/index2.html. Should answer your questions. LT means Lacquer Touch. Another way of saying....Not Poly Dipped.

What the heck is the guitar at the top of the page with the lights? I want one!!

[EunosFD]

I'm guessing it's either a special Anchang sig model or a special Akira Takasaki sig model. Most likely a CS guitar & big $$$. The newest Mana model lights up too & is rather cool looking for what it is:

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/artist/mana/index.html

Kinda pricey though at 997,500¥ (over US $9800) retail.

[TwoGeez]

I'm guessing it's either a special Anchang sig model or a special Akira Takasaki sig model. Most likely a CS guitar & big $$$. The newest Mana model lights up too & is rather cool looking for what it is:

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/artist/mana/index.html

Kinda pricey though at 997,500¥ (over US $9800) retail.

Holy sh**! I could build one myself for half that.

[Thames]

OK. About the Lacquer over Poly and stuff.

On my JP, there's definitely NO poly undercoat on the TOP of the guitar, and Im pretty sure there's NO filler too. However, the back and neck both look like Nitro over Poly with filler. You can dig thru the wood grain/holes on the top, but not on the back (body and neck).

A word about the so-called "fake" relicing : I agree that, in *some* area (forearm contour in particular), the relicing could have been more realistic at first sight (brand-new one, fresh pictures)... however, I had mine for 8 months now, playing daily, my main axe, and real AGING is already started over the "artificial" one. And it looks better and better each week ! The nitro is soo thin on the top that it ages really fast.

Same thing on the back...

[johnny5]

i just returned from Japan today and spent alot of time playing all the edwards guitars i could find (which is a TON!). I brought home a JP les paul and a 58 LP jr.

i was never one for the relicing thing but what MADE me buy this one is it just sounded and played better than the other Edwards LP's (and better than all the sub-$2000 gibsons). the finishes on all of them are not that spectacular and don't compare to a gibson historic AAA top, but the playabily and sound of these guitars at the price they are at are just amazing.

i am still fine tuning and will make sure to update soon.

[whitehall]

Edwards (ESP) is doing a very smart thing by making these so available. If you want a really nice LP there really isn't anything in this price range. How long we will be able to import them is anybody's guess. I had an ELP85 for awhile . Very nice but VERY light. I was quite surprised to take a beating when I sold it on ebay.

[buckwild]

Edwards (ESP) is doing a very smart thing by making these so available. If you want a really nice LP there really isn't anything in this price range. How long we will be able to import them is anybody's guess. I had an ELP85 for awhile . Very nice but VERY light. I was quite surprised to take a beating when I sold it on ebay.

I agree that they are an amazing value for the quality you get. However, I've noticed in general that reselling Japanese guitars on ebay works out badly. For some reason they don't retain their value. The only ones fetchign high or correct value are the vintage Tokai's and high end Greco's.

[Myxolidian]

I've noticed in general that reselling Japanese guitars on ebay works out badly. For some reason they don't retain their value.

I dunno about that. The Edwards I see resell for close to what one would pay for a new one. The only thing is if it's already in the States then you don't have to pay the $120 shipping fee. Try buying a Gibson and reselling. Seems you'd lose almost as much as what an Edwards costs new. :worried

[whitehall]

I've made money on every Gibson guitar I sold on ebay, I lost money on every Japanese guitar I sold there, go figure.

[buckwild]

I've made money on every Gibson guitar I sold on ebay, I lost money on every Japanese guitar I sold there, go figure.

I agree. The Gibsons tend to retain their value more.

[gtrwrks]

Mmm...

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/original/E-SE-87RLT_VW.jpg

[Jim Jones]

i just returned from Japan today and spent alot of time playing all the edwards guitars i could find (which is a TON!). I brought home a JP les paul and a 58 LP jr.

i was never one for the relicing thing but what MADE me buy this one is it just sounded and played better than the other Edwards LP's (and better than all the sub-$2000 gibsons). the finishes on all of them are not that spectacular and don't compare to a gibson historic AAA top, but the playabily and sound of these guitars at the price they are at are just amazing.

i am still fine tuning and will make sure to update soon.

I'd love to hear your impressions of the Edwards Junior when you have some time!

Jim