Cool way to create and organize dom7th chords

[Clifford-D]

Take the Diminished 7th chord made of the E, Bb, C#, and G notes.

This chord moves up the neck in minor thirds

|---3-----6-----9-----12-|
|---2-----5-----8-----11-|
|---3-----6-----9-----12-|
|---2-----5-----8-----11-|
|-------------------------|
|-------------------------|

These four chords have the SAME four notes, they are symetrical. So they have 4 names E dim7, Bbdim7, C#dim7, Gdim7. BUT THEY ARE THE SAME CHORD

LOWER any note and you get a DOMINANT 7th chord

Eb7 A7 C7 F#7
|---3--3-----3--3-----3--3------3--2-|
|---2--2-----2--2-----2--1------2--2-|
|---3--3-----3--2-----3--3------3--3-|
|---2--1-----2--2-----2--2------2--2-|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|

Play the Dominant chords up the neck with the othe Diminished chords.

Eb7 Eb7 Eb7 Eb7
|---3------6------9------11-|
|---2------4------8------11-|
|---3------6------8------12-|
|---1------5------8------11-|
|----------------------------|
|----------------------------|

NEXT _ Find the other DIMINISHED chords on other sets of strings.

This can help organize all those Dominant 7th chords and open the doors to the extensions and altered chords.

More to come

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[markd]

That is really awesome. Thanks!

[Cubicle]

Oh my.....

[countandduke]

There was a Pat Martino lesson a while back in one of the mags and I think he talked about this. Cool stuff for sure!!! Thanks for sharing...

Chris

[jdiesel77]

awesome thanks!

[dkaplowitz]

Cool posts, tonefingers, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

There was a Pat Martino lesson a while back in one of the mags and I think he talked about this. Cool stuff for sure!!! Thanks for sharing...
It's on his web site right now too, along with his similar approach to chords using augmented chords/triads.

http://web.mac.com/noshufuru/iWeb/MasterClass/Master%20Class.html

[Clifford-D]

There was a Pat Martino lesson a while back in one of the mags and I think he talked about this. Cool stuff for sure!!! Thanks for sharing...

Chris
That's my source. Pat Martino

[1-Take-Wonder]

Cool posts, tonefingers, thanks for sharing your knowledge.


It's on his web site right now too, along with his similar approach to chords using augmented chords/triads.

http://web.mac.com/noshufuru/iWeb/MasterClass/Master%20Class.html

I went ga-ga over this when it was published in GP, but it didn't really find its way into my playing...anyone have some practice regimen ideas for pushing this into your playing?

[vulcaniza P]

I went ga-ga over this when it was published in GP, but it didn't really find its way into my playing...anyone have some practice regimen ideas for pushing this into your playing?
same here

[cyb3rvampire]

Isn't this just showing you the inversions of a drop 2 dominant chord? I'm missing something. Please enlighten me.

[gennation]

I should add this...Guitar Players Master Class on "Demystifying the Diminished Chord" I expands on what was has already been posted and it "must have" information.

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=7&storycode=14738

[mark norwine]

Or, "as is", they each represent a rootless dom7(b9).....a powerful substitution chord.

i.e. in the example given above, E, Bb, Db & G represent [in order] the 3rd, b7, b9 & 5th of a C7(b9). Used as an "inbetween" chord, you can connect F inversions to make seemless chord scales.

Powerful stuff....

[jkaz]

My old teacher taught me to think of diminished chords like this as well. He expands on this in four articles he wrote for Just Jazz Guitar, which can be found under the lesson tab of his website.

http://www.rickstone.com/

Useful stuff, I believe.

[azgolfer]

Another thing that is interesting about these four chords
C7 Eb7 F#7 A7,

They are all commonly used in the key of F
C7 is the V chord
Eb7 is the VII7 chord or 'plagal minor cadence' chord
F#7 is the tritone sub for C7
A7 is the V of the relative minor (Dm)

[Clifford-D]

Another thing that is interesting about these four chords
C7 Eb7 F#7 A7,

They are all commonly used in the key of F
C7 is the V chord
Eb7 is the VII7 chord or 'plagal minor cadence' chord
F#7 is the tritone sub for C7
A7 is the V of the relative minor (Dm)
Too cool.

What a great resource. This site.

[Clifford-D]

Too cool.

What a great resource. This site.
How about the keys of F and Ab and B and D as well.

[azgolfer]

How about the keys of F and Ab and B and D as well.

That's right, but now my head is starting to hurt.

Actually the other sets will work, too.

II7 - G7 (turnaround, V of V)
VII7 - E7 ("backdoor" dominant, V of iii)
vi7 - Db7 (from harmonic minor, b5 sub of II)
IV7 - Bb7 (blues)

and, a little farther out there

I7 - F7 (blues, V of IV)
iii7 - Ab7 ( b5 sub to VI )
b57 - B7 (b5 sub for I7, leads to IV )
VI7 - D7 (turnaround, V of II)

So that is all 12 in one key.