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[tonecat]

Got my long awaited e-mail from Robbie today my Ethos is ready!
I paid for it via Paypal . I got on the list 2/22/07 post #130 on this
thread. I confirmed $395.00 order 4/11/07 and got a confirmation e-mail
on 5/25/07
I have enjoyed following this thread and am excited to do
my own shoot-out with the Jetter GSR

[Csapo]

I confirmed on 5/2/07 and got my confirmation email on 5/25/07 also!!!!!!! :dude

Must be getting close....:drool

[bilbal]

I did my 395 order on 4/11 and got my confirmation on 5/7. So I should be coming up correct?

[thepimpdaddy]

I received my "confirmed" message on 5/23, and received notice this morning that my pedal is ready (!!!!) - so I paid by PayPal, and received word from Rob confirming my shipping information - so looks like it will be in my hands later this week.

I was on P10, post #147- or 148, probably about 55-65 in the production order, hope this helps.

PD

[narapo]

Jeez, i received my "confirmed" message on 5/24 so my turn must be near ?

[clamdip7714]

Looks like an Ethos.

[bluesdoc]

I'm being so patient..... :YinYang:munch:bkw:roll:crazyguy:BluesBros;)

edit(wednesday) - aahhhhh :D

jon

[odourboy]

Jeez, i received my "confirmed" message on 5/24 so my turn must be near ?

Jeez. I never received a "confirmed" message. I guess I'm screwed. :worried

[Buckshot]

I got my confirmation on 06/05 & I was just emailed that my turn won't come up until early next year - pretty confusing if 05/23 orders are ready to ship?

[utterhack]

There may have been a LOT of orders over those two weeks...

[bilbal]

I got my confirmation on 06/05 & I was just emailed that my turn won't come up until early next year - pretty confusing if 05/23 orders are ready to ship?

Yeah right??? I guess I'll just forget about it until I receive my email saying it's time to ship. If you try to make sense out of the schedule, you'll drive yourself nuts. I give up. When it's ready, Robbie will let me know I hope.

bilbal

[dspblues]

I posted on #213 and #352... nada yet.

[thelionsden]

I asked to be placed on the list on 2/27/07 post number 164 on pg 11 and I
asked to confirm my 395.00 order on 4/11/07 post number 337 on page
23.

Got my notice yesterday, paid for it via Paypal and got a tracking number later that afternoon...

Looking forward to it. :)

Dennis

[utterhack]

I got my confirmation on 06/05 & I was just emailed that my turn won't come up until early next year - pretty confusing if 05/23 orders are ready to ship?

Just looked back over this. When you received the confirmation email didn't establish your position on Teh Big List. That would be based on whenever you first contacted Robbie or posted to the thread or whatever. The confirmation thing happened later, and everyone would have received those emails around the same time. So yeah, sit back, relax, and wait for a pleasant surprise.

[Robbie]

Just looked back over this. When you received the confirmation email didn't establish your position on Teh Big List. That would be based on whenever you first contacted Robbie or posted to the thread or whatever. The confirmation thing happened later, and everyone would have received those emails around the same time. So yeah, sit back, relax, and wait for a pleasant surprise.

Hi Everbody,

Yes, Utterhack is correct. We are processing Ethos based on genesis of this thread (list). When folks said they wanted to be on the "list" on this thread, we honor(ed) that. Email confirmations came in later just to make sure we understood people's interest.

Thanks,

Robbie

[SuperReverb2]

Hi Everbody,

Yes, Utterhack is correct. We are processing Ethos based on genesis of this thread (list). When folks said they wanted to be on the "list" on this thread, we honor(ed) that. Email confirmations came in later just to make sure we understood people's interest.

Thanks,

Robbie

:confused: Not sure how/where I stand on the "thread" list, but my confirmation e-mail is dated 06/05/2007 as well. When I e-mailed Robbie in early September to see what position that put in on the "list" (got a reply from Sue) she stated that I was in the third batch, and that the second batch was currently being produced/shipped. From that info, I was under the assumption the second batch was being produced/shipped in September - October and that I would receive my pedal sometime in November - December. Obviously, if Robbie is going by the thread list, and NOT the e-mail confirmation list as I was originally led to believe, then my Ethos arrival date must be sometime next year as well. Sigh.......

[fugot]

but the second batch is being shipped now. i have 2019. These is alot of pedal here, I am still trying to find time to play with it. I did plug it in and immediately have fun, there is also a great multipage manual to read, with pictures calm down!, ...no one will be sorry about getting this pedal is my take...

Robbie,

Just curious, if I am serial # 2019, does that make me second batch, 19th pedal (because if you put out 2000 in the first batch I am really impressed:)). nice pedal, customer service and packaging btw. peace mike

[Realfi]

I've just got back in touch with this thread...thought i was on the list back on page 19 but it seems like I had to send another confirmation email? Oh well, confusing!

In any case. Has anyone tried the unit through an AC30 or a 65 Amps London? I know this wouldn't be the most Dumble-esque of platforms but it could still sound good?

[Reverb]

I've just got back in touch with this thread...thought i was on the list back on page 19 but it seems like I had to send another confirmation email? Oh well, confusing!

In any case. Has anyone tried the unit through an AC30 or a 65 Amps London? I know this wouldn't be the most Dumble-esque of platforms but it could still sound good?

I have played mine through new Vox AC 15 Handwired amp and it sounds amazing. With this amp the key is to disengage the GAC switch, reason is the AC15 has a rather flat eq and the GAC is there is accomodate Fender and Marshal eq's that have scooped mids.

[DonneR]

:confused: Not sure how/where I stand on the "thread" list, but my confirmation e-mail is dated 06/05/2007 as well. When I e-mailed Robbie in early September to see what position that put in on the "list" (got a reply from Sue) she stated that I was in the third batch, and that the second batch was currently being produced/shipped. From that info, I was under the assumption the second batch was being produced/shipped in September - October and that I would receive my pedal sometime in November - December. Obviously, if Robbie is going by the thread list, and NOT the e-mail confirmation list as I was originally led to believe, then my Ethos arrival date must be sometime next year as well. Sigh.......

Yeah same thing - I have the same confirm week as you =- and recently ask for a one time clarification (Id been a good boy and not bugged t hem) and Im Jan/Feb now so the wait lengthens ; ]

[utterhack]

:confused: Not sure how/where I stand on the "thread" list, but my confirmation e-mail is dated 06/05/2007 as well. When I e-mailed Robbie in early September to see what position that put in on the "list" (got a reply from Sue) she stated that I was in the third batch, and that the second batch was currently being produced/shipped. From that info, I was under the assumption the second batch was being produced/shipped in September - October and that I would receive my pedal sometime in November - December. Obviously, if Robbie is going by the thread list, and NOT the e-mail confirmation list as I was originally led to believe, then my Ethos arrival date must be sometime next year as well. Sigh.......

Again, based on careful reading of this thread I'm pretty confident that what Sue told you holds true. Your position on the list is your position on the list. It's just that your position is based NOT determined by when you received your confirmation email.

[SuperReverb2]

Again, based on careful reading of this thread I'm pretty confident that what Sue told you holds true. Your position on the list is your position on the list. It's just that your position is based NOT determined by when you received your confirmation email.

Thanks, as that's the way I originally read it. Here's hoping..:)

[journo]

Hi,

This is my first post in this thread since posting my interest in the Ethos.
I'm posting as I feel I can contribute a few things.

I received my e-mail notification about 2 weeks ago from Sue. I mailed my continued interest and I was immediately sent an invoice with the possibility to pay with PayPal. I authorized the funds and the very next day. The transaction was completed and the Ethos sent with an approximate delivery time of 6 days from the US to Sweden. 5 days later it was in my hands. The whole business has been totally effortless and is without any doubt the most comfortable deal I have ever done as a private person with a US company.

I also want to commend Rob and Sue for their honesty and integrity. They sent me an invoice that I accepted and paid and was happy doing it. After the Ethos was delivered I got a message that they had made a mistake with their invoice and had charged me too much and paid back the difference in my favor. That is class!

So to the Ethos. How does it sound through an amp? I must admit I have no idea what so ever. When first found time to try it it was late and the family was asleep so I plugged it in straight into the mixing board and tried it with an Edwards ES-335 clone. That was so rewarding that I haven't bothered to use it any other way since I got it. That thing is still so dynamic. Especially the clean channel. I got it to use it in front of my amp to get the "Humble" :) type sound. I was also planning to use it front of my Boss GS-10 with a clean amp model to get the D-type sound when I go direct when recording. Now I found a very interesting way to use it that has totally made my recording soooo much more flexible and fun. I have put the Ethos at the end of my pedalboard. The amp output goes to my Boss GS-10 and the recording output goes to my computer sound card. This way I can use the Ethos as a pedal (like any of my other pedals) in front of the Boss GS-10. Or I can treat the Ethos like an amp using the clean and OD channels like I would an amp and the I treat my other pedals as I would to enhance the sound of the amp. I can honestly say that my Lovepedal Eternity sound great through the Ethos clean channel. One exeedingly valuable bonus with the Ethos like this is that the recording output speaker simulator is active even if the Ethos is turned off. This means I can use the Ethos as a recording interface for my pedalboard. My Tonebone Classic sounds great going direct this way. So does most of my OD pedals.

But, I digress. But back to the sounds of the Ethos itself for those interested in that. I bought it mainly for the OD but have used the clean channel more because that is a very dynamic and warm sounding channel. Some of Larry Carlton's most beautiful clean sounds are to be found here. Going direct no less. The eq on this channel is very responsive and you can sculpt the tone to your liking. On the side of the Ethos is a knob where you tune the high frequency response of your guitar and setting that to suit your guitar correctly makes it even easier to work the eq.

The OD channel is also very good and I think many people are more interested in that than the clean. At least (like me) they are before they get it. :D
The OD channel is also responsive and the eq is good. Due to the nature of distortion it's not quite as dynamic as the clean channel but still way more dynamic than the Zendrive I have now sold. Also more dynamic than the Barber Burn Unit I still have. The eq and the switches make it possible to get a plethora of sounds. Playing along with CD's with different humbucker equipped guitars I have found sounds VERY similar to those of Larry Carlton and Robben Ford. As I have other solutions eminently suited for my single coils needs I haven't yet taken much time with this and Strat/Tele style guitars. When I have done it the sounds are good but I think I haven't quite learned how to tweak the knobs for single coils yet. I will get back to you on that. I only bought the EThos for my humbucker guitars so if it works good with Strats that's a bonus.

So, Rob, if you read this then I have just three suggestions to make:
1. You really should make a small inexpensive pedal with just the speaker simulator circuit in it to turn anybody's pedalbord into a recording solution. Think also of all the worship players who need a direct to PA solution to play in churches where stage space is at premium and sound levels needs to be tightly controlled. This could be heaven sent for them.;)

2. Then you should make a pedal with 6 knobs. Bass, mid, treble, precence/cut, gain and volume. Then put three tone stacks in it. A blackface Fender, a Plexi Marshall and a Vox AC30 and make it possible to choose tone stack. This pedal could go between my pedals and the speaker sim pedal and then I would have three great "amps" on my pedalboard
that I could record with together with my other great pedals.

3. I see that you include a 12 volt wall wart needing 110 volts with the Ethos. This is all good if you live in the US. As you ship it to Europe this wall wart is totally useless. If possible I would suggest that you find a 230 volt version to ship with your European orders. Or if that's too much hassle sell the Ethos at a slightly lower price without the wall wart.

So I will end this post with and apology to all readers for the boring length
and a note to Rob that should he ever find himself in need of a swedish beta tester I would be delighted to offer my services.

As soon as I can tear myself away from just playing with the Ethos I will attempt a few sound clips. Just give me time.

Cheers,

Mats N

[SBlue]

My confirmation says that I'm on batch #3, and I'll ship around Dec/Jan/Feb.

[arnie65]

Hi,

This is my first post in this thread since posting my interest in the Ethos.
I'm posting as I feel I can contribute a few things.

I received my e-mail notification about 2 weeks ago from Sue. I mailed my continued interest and I was immediately sent an invoice with the possibility to pay with PayPal. I authorized the funds and the very next day. The transaction was completed and the Ethos sent with an approximate delivery time of 6 days from the US to Sweden. 5 days later it was in my hands. The whole business has been totally effortless and is without any doubt the most comfortable deal I have ever done as a private person with a US company.

I also want to commend Rob and Sue for their honesty and integrity. They sent me an invoice that I accepted and paid and was happy doing it. After the Ethos was delivered I got a message that they had made a mistake with their invoice and had charged me too much and paid back the difference in my favor. That is class!

So to the Ethos. How does it sound through an amp? I must admit I have no idea what so ever. When first found time to try it it was late and the family was asleep so I plugged it in straight into the mixing board and tried it with an Edwards ES-335 clone. That was so rewarding that I haven't bothered to use it any other way since I got it. That thing is still so dynamic. Especially the clean channel. I got it to use it in front of my amp to get the "Humble" :) type sound. I was also planning to use it front of my Boss GS-10 with a clean amp model to get the D-type sound when I go direct when recording. Now I found a very interesting way to use it that has totally made my recording soooo much more flexible and fun. I have put the Ethos at the end of my pedalboard. The amp output goes to my Boss GS-10 and the recording output goes to my computer sound card. This way I can use the Ethos as a pedal (like any of my other pedals) in front of the Boss GS-10. Or I can treat the Ethos like an amp using the clean and OD channels like I would an amp and the I treat my other pedals as I would to enhance the sound of the amp. I can honestly say that my Lovepedal Eternity sound great through the Ethos clean channel. One exeedingly valuable bonus with the Ethos like this is that the recording output speaker simulator is active even if the Ethos is turned off. This means I can use the Ethos as a recording interface for my pedalboard. My Tonebone Classic sounds great going direct this way. So does most of my OD pedals.

But, I digress. But back to the sounds of the Ethos itself for those interested in that. I bought it mainly for the OD but have used the clean channel more because that is a very dynamic and warm sounding channel. Some of Larry Carlton's most beautiful clean sounds are to be found here. Going direct no less. The eq on this channel is very responsive and you can sculpt the tone to your liking. On the side of the Ethos is a knob where you tune the high frequency response of your guitar and setting that to suit your guitar correctly makes it even easier to work the eq.

The OD channel is also very good and I think many people are more interested in that than the clean. At least (like me) they are before they get it. :D
The OD channel is also responsive and the eq is good. Due to the nature of distortion it's not quite as dynamic as the clean channel but still way more dynamic than the Zendrive I have now sold. Also more dynamic than the Barber Burn Unit I still have. The eq and the switches make it possible to get a plethora of sounds. Playing along with CD's with different humbucker equipped guitars I have found sounds VERY similar to those of Larry Carlton and Robben Ford. As I have other solutions eminently suited for my single coils needs I haven't yet taken much time with this and Strat/Tele style guitars. When I have done it the sounds are good but I think I haven't quite learned how to tweak the knobs for single coils yet. I will get back to you on that. I only bought the EThos for my humbucker guitars so if it works good with Strats that's a bonus.

So, Rob, if you read this then I have just three suggestions to make:
1. You really should make a small inexpensive pedal with just the speaker simulator circuit in it to turn anybody's pedalbord into a recording solution. Think also of all the worship players who need a direct to PA solution to play in churches where stage space is at premium and sound levels needs to be tightly controlled. This could be heaven sent for them.;)

2. Then you should make a pedal with 6 knobs. Bass, mid, treble, precence/cut, gain and volume. Then put three tone stacks in it. A blackface Fender, a Plexi Marshall and a Vox AC30 and make it possible to choose tone stack. This pedal could go between my pedals and the speaker sim pedal and then I would have three great "amps" on my pedalboard
that I could record with together with my other great pedals.

3. I see that you include a 12 volt wall wart needing 110 volts with the Ethos. This is all good if you live in the US. As you ship it to Europe this wall wart is totally useless. If possible I would suggest that you find a 230 volt version to ship with your European orders. Or if that's too much hassle sell the Ethos at a slightly lower price without the wall wart.

So I will end this post with and apology to all readers for the boring length
and a note to Rob that should he ever find himself in need of a swedish beta tester I would be delighted to offer my services.

As soon as I can tear myself away from just playing with the Ethos I will attempt a few sound clips. Just give me time.

Cheers,


Mats N




Mats,

I loved your LC type clip with your Barber Unit, I would love to hear the same one now with the Ethos!!


:drool

[journo]

Mats,

I loved your LC type clip with your Barber Unit, I would love to hear the same one now with the Ethos!!


:drool

Hi Arnie,

Thanks for the kind words. That tune is a possibility but there may one or two others also.


Cheers,

Mats N

[bluesdoc]

One hour honeymoon here :crazy

Mostly these days I run my GT8 into a JBL PRX512M, which is a killer rig. I've used it extensively at band practice and at two gigs. So, for the Ethos, I used a clean Twin amp model (one of the best on the GT8). The clean side of the Ethos is spectacular, taking the 'Twin' to a whole new level of fullness and sparkle. The lead side takes some tweaking to find what works the best, though I found no bad sounds there. At first, I dialed the gain way up to be sure I'd be fine in my rock band. Then I discovered the 'joys' of way lower gain, around 9-10 oclock, which gives a clean with hair, but will rock with the boost engaged. Then I found noonish to be a happy medium between soft gain and hard rock with the boost on. I'd put it in bypass and go back to my marshalloid lead tones I'd been using on the GT8 and found them to be 'thin', for lack of a better word. I tried my tele, strat, and prs SE with HAS Fusion pups. Everything sounded great, and very individualized. I just had to adjust gain for the different pup outputs. Then I tried the Ethos straight to the JBL, using the cab sim output. I could dial in great tones but I miss my ambient stuff (touch of rev and dly).... I like the cab/mic sims I have dialed in on the GT8.

All this in 1 hour :eek::dude I'm thrilled with this pedal and look forward to more tweaking and band practice next Tues (gonna be a long wait.....).

I've never played a dumble amp, but lots of Two Rocks and some Fuchs. This pedal has GOT it goin' on.

btw, I got my notification on 10/10 and it's here, California, from VT, in 2 days!

jon

[Buckshot]

Hi Everbody,

Yes, Utterhack is correct. We are processing Ethos based on genesis of this thread (list). When folks said they wanted to be on the "list" on this thread, we honor(ed) that. Email confirmations came in later just to make sure we understood people's interest.

Thanks,

Robbie
Well, I chose to contact you directly rather than clutter up the thread just to get on the list - guess I screwed myself by not understanding your scheme:jo

[johan]

Wonderful post journo! I wish my writing skills were half as good and my english a tenth of that :rolleyes:

I've been in contact with Rob a couple of times regarding the Euro-adapter. I still haven't find the right one for 230V but Rob promised to get a couple from Elfa to try out for us. Top notch service!

"I told you so"..in my first short review when I got mine. The clean channel is amazing and well worth the price alone. :drool

[Structo]

OK, so I read the first few pages then skimmed the rest and looked at the prototype picture.
But I haven't seen a picture of the final production model.
Could one of you fine chaps post a picture of your Ethos?

[Structo]

Nevermind I found Robbie's site.....

[bc-cosmo]

To help those waiting to triangulate their position, I got in line on March 1, page 12, post #175, and got my invoice Thursday. Sue says I'm in the middle of batch 2. Hope that's helpful.

Great posts, Mats and Bluesdoc. We in waiting appreciate any hands-on info!

[JingleJungle]

Got my confo today.
I'm very curious, excited, etc :) :D
It looks like the Ethos is gonna get some serious preamp time and use plugged in to my 'puter (I have no virtual-reality modelers or thingamajigs)!!

Rock on!!

JJ

[journo]

Hi,

Just to add a few words to my review.

Have now tried the Ethos with a Tyler SE HD and it sounds good even though I have a feeling that it will sound even better after I'm better at tweaking it.

The bright switch on the clean channel really does good with single coils.

Cheers,

Mats N

[thepimpdaddy]

Picked up mine at the PO this morning (wife missed the mailman on Friday, PO closed on Sat = Auuuggghh!!), it all looks to be in order, nicely packaged, will try to post tone report later this week.

PD

[bluesdoc]

I've been playing with mine everyday now for a few and it is truly an amazing, unique pedal. Robbie has captured that elusive character to lead tones in which notes sound almost clean but at the same time have a high gain thing going on within the envelope. Hard to put into words, but I've only heard this on some of Robben's recordings. If I could change anything, I'd keep the bass from dropping out when I hit boost, though I have a feeling that in the band context, this will become a non-issue.

I put the Ethos in the 'loop' of my GT8 and positioned the loop just in front of a Twin preamp model, after a TS type stomp model. When I add the Ethos clean to the Twin clean (a VERY nice model on its own), it becomes three dimensional. If I push the Ethos clean gain a little, then it's a spectacular clean boost. But the lead tone on this is just magic. I've never gotten anything like this from my myriad amps and modelers, though I have to say that my custom Fargen can get close to this even though it's not designed in the dumble vein at all. But it does have a texture to the lead notes that reminds me of the Ethos.

The controls on the Ethos have a major effect and for live use, I'm going to have to remember (or bring a cheat sheet) exactly where I have them set. The master v on the lead side is very sensitive, at least in my setup where there's a big difference between 2 and 3 oclock, where my levels are found.

I'm chomping at the bit waiting for tuesday night's band practice. Can't wait to hear this in the mix. The acid test, as always :)

jon

[MightyGuru]

Played my Ethos at home yesterday with a headphone rig.

Plugged my Nash S into the Ethos. Speaker sim out to the old J Station someone gave me a couple years ago. Put the J Station on "Blackface" with flat eq and a smattering of 'verb and put the headphones on.

What can I say...sure, there's a little modeler to it but the tones are freaking great for the most part. A modest rig but for home/quiet use but it absolutely works. I jammed for an hour or so through the channels and didn't have to change my regular stage settings at all.

I decided to try adding my Addrock Not So Ol' Yeller (the Ethos also sounds great with fuzz) to the proceedings by using it with the Ethos outstanding clean channel...damn...amazingly fun, classic strat tones...I could have dropped into an Ethos hole and not climbed out for hours. Great box.

[Tonewolf]

So if I sent my email on May 14th and received confirmation May 25th, I'm probably in the third group?

[thepimpdaddy]

Sent this to my buddy out west a few minutes ago, thought I'd write it once:

Picked up Ethos at PO this morning, and now diggin' on the Ethos tonight, it really sounds amazing at only bedroom levels - so easy to dial in the natural sound of my amp(s) ('71 Traynor Custom Reverb YSR-1, and '74 Traynor Reverb Master YRM-1SC, through 4x10 Celestion or Eminence cab), and then it pumps the amp all full of [howerdly?] 'roids . . . it's never been this easy to dial in what I'm looking for on one pedal. It really livens the hell up out of these two Traynors, and really seems to help the big iron shine, so to speak.

I am enjoying VERY much the high cut switch, both the clean and gain channels sound excellent, after a few minutes getting the idea of what each of the controls does, I dailed in harmonically very rich tones that complemented the amps more easily than I expected. Didn't get a chance to try out the direct box/record feature cuz I was a bit rushed tonight, but hope to record some clips of the amps, the amps with several different ODs, all booteekee stuff and whatnot. But that will have to wait for later.

To Robbie: Nice work, brutha(!) - I'm having a ball with my Ethos and it's looking like a really well-thought-out creative tool both to add to my playing experience, and to work with. Thank you! :^)

PD

Watchers: #2024, probably early second batch, was p10 post 147-48-ish, arrived Friday but missed the mailman, and PO closed on Saturday ('doh! stupid weekend), so picked up this morning, and yes, as a matter of fact was useless all day. Ciao!!

[guitarist58]

So if I sent my email on May 14th and received confirmation May 25th, I'm probably in the third group?

I would guess yes. I've made a list based on the "add me"s in this thread (which of course can not include those who directly contacted Robbie). I'm around #150 on the list and you're a little after me. Based on what I've seen of the folks who said they have received their pedals, and my rough list, it looks like he's delivered maybe 80+ units so far, and still has more going out from the second batch (that part being based on heresay :p).

[bluesdoc]

I'm chomping at the bit waiting for tuesday night's band practice. Can't wait to hear this in the mix. The acid test, as always :)

jon

Yes!!! It passed the acid test with flying colors!! What a palette of tones, textures, forces, and finish! When I A/B'd the Ethos tones with my prior excellent tones, at VOLUME, my poor old tones went shuffling off to mind their own businesses..... :D

jon

[Hacksaw]

Thats some good tone news, Jon! Eagerly waiting for mine.. . I hope production numbers per batch will step up soon. :D

#448 (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpost.php?p=2409756&postcount=448) #447 page 30!.. I will come back and check around Christmas :D

[tonecat]

I got on the list via this thread on feb 22/07 post #130 and I confirmed
my $395.00 order on 4/11/07
I got the email that it was ready Oct 5 and paid for it the same day
and a few days later I got a refund re: shipping charges. Nice !
It arrived here in Canada Oct 16. Batch #2 serial 2020
I have spent a few hours with it and took a break and came back to it.
Let me preface my comments by saying I bought a Jetter GSR whilst waiting for the Ethos and am extremely pleased with it.
It took no time at all to tell that the Ethos could do what the GSR does
They have some similarities in the basic character of the way they break up. The Ethos has a LOT of controls and that can be good and bad. The
GSR is simple and really has no bad settings.
The flexablity of the ETHOS is amazing, there are a lot of great tones
available. I will agree with others who have commented about the clean
channel being a very pleasant surprise. It is just Stellar ! this channel
run into my Blackface Super Reverb is cleaner and has an tone that
that sounds WAY better than straight into the amp.
The OD channel is capable of being set to sound the same as bypassed
so that you can have the slightest amount of overdrive. This capability
makes for a great starting point. With the gain at 11:00 and the volumn
at 1:00 I played the head from Robben Fords version of Don't let me be misunderstood, all I can say is thats Dxmble enough for me and when I
played the chorus chords I was smilin'
The mid control on the OD channel would be better discribed as The
aggression control. at 8:00 it is smooth but at 3 o'clock it snarls more.
So far I have been trying milder overdrive tones and for those tones
the Ethos may edge out the GSR because of the EQ and switches available . It will take weeks to realise the potential of this pedal and
I will report back.
My initial impressions are very positive

[xmentalpilot]

I am lovin' the reviews on the Ethos! I recieved my email yesterday and send the payment to Rob same day. Looks like I'll be dialing in some great tones by tomorrow or Saturday! Gonna be interesting comparing the Ethos with my Fuchs ODS! I am looking forward to the benefit of having something I can use with my Hellhound combo for quick grab and go sessions that will give me tones comparable to the ODS.

Peace! XmP :BEER

[dspblues]

I posted on #213 and #352... nada yet.

Got my email yesterday, confirmed address, invoice today & paid today. I'll let everyone know how I like it when I get it and try it.

[Balance]

I got the e-mail on Tuesday and the invoice on Wednesday. I was on page 13, post #186.

[chipdog]

Pg 16, Post #243 - Just got the email from Sue/Robbie that my pedal is ready.

[guitarist58]

OK... by my count Robbie may have shipped closer to 110+ pedals...



http://img101.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/07/12/vbbounce-474imoe2v.gif

Yea!!!! :drool

[guitarist58]

What I mean is the folks getting them now are over #100 on my list...

[gandolf203]

Signed up 3/8 post #205 on p. 14. Confirmed 4/12. Received message the ETHOS was ready 10/17. Paid via paypal yesterday.

Hope this helps you figure out when yours might arrive.

[kwaehner]

I e-mailed, but in case it's still relevant to post on this thread:
add me to the list please

[DonneR]

do we know how many are in each 'batch' ??

[Tonewolf]

Hey Donner - Long time no see! I hope to see your video demo of this pedal.

[narapo]

Pg 16, Post #243 - Just got the email from Sue/Robbie that my pedal is ready.
i was #260, my turn must be near ? I count 14 enlisters before me. Everybody seems so happy with this pedal:JAM

[JingleJungle]

IT is here :) :) :D

JJ

[Tonewolf]

What do you think?

[JingleJungle]

What do you think?

I can't wait to get home and to get it up and running.
THEN I'll have some fun and think some ;) ;)

JJ

[JingleJungle]

Addendum to the previous post and answer to the yet previous-er (sic) poster ;)

The Ethos is smaller than I initially had thought, the layout is indeed clever.
Clean Channel: considering I ws playing it thru my Carr Rambler, the benchmark was set pretty high, in the clean dep't ;)
Here I can imagine using the Ethos to have another different flavour of clean tones / volume leves to complement my basic clean Rambler tone (warm, luscious and very expansive).

OD Channel: lotsa different options here. I found that the most interesting use (to me) is to use the Jazz setting. This way the Boost function yields a nice bump in volume for solos. Still need to find the optimal setting for the neck p.ups, where the low E string tended to sound mushy and flabby - but again: experience will lead me to better tweaks. To my ears the Boost sound is middier (but not unpleasant - IMO à la Brian May) than what I am used to (MadProf Little Green Wonder). As far as right hand dynamics are concerned, my first experiment tells me the Ethos is second behind the LGW - but there's nothing wrong with this, and as I said, I am still experimenting.

I took the Ethos for a spin in my Lexicon Omega preamp / interface and plugged my FDII and delay modeler into the Ethos (Clean channel, "Fender" setting, Modern switch engaged) w/ the speaker sim engaged. While it doesn't sound "realistic", it definitely sounds good enough for tracking IMHO which was what attracted me to the Ethos in first place.

All in all this is a very "deep" unit - it takes some effort to unlock all the tonal variations - and by the same token it does appear it will provide me with various kinds of tonal enjoyment :)

JJ

[Tonewolf]

Hey JJ...
I have a Carr Rambler too. Let me know if you find any really good settings.
How is the sustain changed? I was hoping to get similar tones to a JTM45 from the Rambler without buying another head.
I'm looking for that overdrive that is so smooth it sounds clean yet the notes hang on.

[JingleJungle]

Hey JJ...
I have a Carr Rambler too. Let me know if you find any really good settings.
How is the sustain changed? I was hoping to get similar tones to a JTM45 from the Rambler without buying another head.
I'm looking for that overdrive that is so smooth it sounds clean yet the notes hang on.

fresh out of the Room :)
Rambler on pentode, volume at 9 o'clock, treble 9, mids 3, bass 8.
Ethos
Clean: gain 2 o'clock, switches - brite off, modern, rock -, treble 3, middle fully CCW, bass almost fully CW, presence 9 o' clock.
OD: gain 2'o'clock, switches - brite off, classic, jazz - treble 11, mids 9, bass 3, pres 11, vol 2'o'clock.
GAC engaged, HC knob between 12 and 1 pm ;)

Worked on assorted guits: Huber Dolphin (mahogany body + neck, RW fretboard, 'buckers), Koll L6 goldtop w/ Lollar soapies, old Ibanez AS50 thinline w/ Haeussel 'buckers.
Great woman tone with all guitars IMO.

'LAter,

Paul

[tcaron]

Howdy fellow Ramblers! (I've got a cowboy tooled rambler).

I should get my Ethos in March, according to Sue, and am very happy to see Rambler players getting good results form their Ethos. I'm using a Barber LTD Mod pedal, which is nice, but the YouTube clips on the Ethos are incredible.

Man, a 5 to 6 month wait is really tough after hearing all this great news about this unit!

[narapo]

Yipee ! I have got THE email everybody on the list is waiting for, sayingf my Ethos is ready.

I am also a Rambler man (rambling man ? nice ABB) and it's my #1 test platform for pedals, with a wonderful clean tone, lots of headroom in pentode mode, an efficient tonestack, you can add reverb to taste. I just can't wait to try Ethos on the Rambler

[Tonewolf]

I'm glad I'm not alone - Ramble on dudes! Thanks for the starting points JJ!

Hey Donner - Great youtube demos - Thank You!!!

If anyone wants to see 'em just go to www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com) and search for ethos overdrive.

[journo]

Hi,

I have now had my Ethos for a few weeks and it has gotten a lot of playing time. I still think it's a great pedal. To me a great pedal is when it not only inspires me to play but also if it inspires me to write new tunes. The Ethos has me going in all directions in many styles when it comes to new tunes.

This first tune is a pop thing and you can read about how I recorded it and find the link to it in the Sound Clip Section. Just follow the link below:

http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=307477

Hope you will enjoy it!

Cheers,

Mats N

[journo]

Hi,

The Ethos is really inspiring.

I have just posted another tune I just wrote for the Ethos clean channel.

You can find the tune here:
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=307837

Cheers,

Mats N

[RP Rad]

I got to try a buddy of mines Ethos pedal this weekend and I was blown away by it. It made my Rivera clean channel sound unreal and it was like having a whole nother amp. I have a TIM and Full Drive II and it sounded a step head of them and I thought never would say that as I love the them. As soon as I save up some funds I will be getting one.

[tocs100]

Here's a new pedal that is Dumble inspired. The top channel provides overdrive and the bottom is clean. The front panel toggles are typical of the dumble with exception of the Classic / Modern. The Classic is based on the 60-70's tone stack and the Modern is the Sky. The toggles on the right side of the box (barely viewable) provide compensation going into a classic Fender amp or straight (going into a power amp), and the lower toggle provides two options for speaker simulator miking (Eminence RWB versus a Celestion G12M-70).


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t107/RH45/DSC00473.jpg

Any website-links with clips?

[esoteric pete]

www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com)

i got my ethos last night and its killin!

(and yes, im using a rambler too, with great results! it also sounded stellar through my carr mercury as well!)

this is the pedal of the year IMO! way to go robbie!

[utterhack]

Any website-links with clips?

:rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao

[HarryJ]

I just got my Ethos about a week ago or so. I had to go out of town before having a chance to really spend time with it. It certainly has a lot of EQ options, and the clean channel is really nice, especially for a killer Strat clean tone.

But I have to be the unpopular one here and say that I am not totally blown away by the OD channel, and I so wanted to be blown away! I have tried just about every setting combination. I found some very nice tones, but blown away? I'm finding it to be a bit grittier than I expected.

I have been spending a good bit of time comparing it to my Zen drive, and finding the Zen to be the slightest bit more natural, and fuller sounding to my ear. I have yet to try it with all of my amps and certainly plan to.

I found that I have to have the Mid and Bass full up to get close to the Zen fullness, but when I use the neck pickup or mid/neck combos, the Ethos became a bit loose while the Zen retained the clarity. Not certain this is as apparent in my recordings as it is while playing it live.

I have yet to try the direct out, but I noticed in the original design (the unit pictured below) had a toggle to choose between 2 speaker simulator mic options that mine doesn't.

There are a few things I noticed that I feel could be designed differently.

1. The GAC toggle on the right side compensates for Fender tone stacks. I'm finding that if engaged it takes the life out of the clean channel. It would be nice to have this only effect the OD channel IMHO.
I feel the same for the HC (high cut) knob. It can smooth out he OD tone, but it effects the clean channel adversely IMHO.

2. The boost switch seems to remove a lot of lows and low mids, while adding more upper mids?

Ok... I chose to not record using my Bassman as this amp tends to make everything sound amazing. I wanted to get a more accurate idea as to what the actual device sounds like without much help from an amp on the verge of breakup
I used my Princeton with Weber 12" and my '61 Melody Maker

I have heard some really nice recordings with the Ethos. I 'm wondering how much of the amp is involved? This is also far from the best Zen tone I have had.


http://www.harryj.net/mm-2_small.jpg http://www.harryj.net/Princeton_Front_small.jpg

I chose to play in a very simple garage bandesque / power chord type stuff so you can hear the harmonics and tone, not so much me. Recorded very raw in tone. No sweetening or delay. One close mic MXL 2001 condenser and 1 room MXL 603 (much like most of my recordings)

http://www.harryj.net/EthosZen.mp3

http://harryj.net/ethos2.mp3

Settings:

Princeton: Volume 4, Bass 4, Treble 5

Ethos setting:

Gain 1:00
Bright off
Classic
Rock
Treble 12:00
Mid Full
Bass Full
Presence 12:00
Volume 1:00
GAC Down
HS 12:00


Zen Settings:

Volume 11:00
Tone 1:00
Gain 1:00
Voice 12:00

Ethos Clean setting:

Gain 2:00
Bright Off
Modern
Rock
Treble 1:00
Mid Full
Mass 1:00
Presence 1:00
GAC Down
HC 12:00

Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net)



Originally Posted by Robbie file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/HJ/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=2113154#post2113154)
Here's a new pedal that is Dumble inspired. The top channel provides overdrive and the bottom is clean. The front panel toggles are typical of the dumble with exception of the Classic / Modern. The Classic is based on the 60-70's tone stack and the Modern is the Sky. The toggles on the right side of the box (barely viewable) provide compensation going into a classic Fender amp or straight (going into a power amp), and the lower toggle provides two options for speaker simulator miking (Eminence RWB versus a Celestion G12M-70).

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t107/RH45/DSC00473.jpg

[football]

Clean sound is gorgeous.

Also, maybe these suggestions will come out in future updates of this pedal.

Robbie, what do you think of Harry's ideas for the pedal?

[Macaroni]

But I have to be the unpopular one here and say that I am not totally blown away by the OD channel, and I so wanted to be blown away! I have tried just about every setting combination. I found some very nice tones, but blown away? I'm finding it to be a bit grittier than I expected.

Don't feel bad Harry. I had similar experiences to yours and came to more or less the same conclusions. It's a wonderful pedal, with lots of great options and tones, but in direct comparisons to my standard bearers, ie: GS Red and V-Stack Tweedy (low gain mod), it didn't fully rise to the occasion. I found I had to crank the OD output volume to at least 3:00-4:00 to match my rig & pedal levels, which added additional gain to push my amp's front end. And I couldn't get any satisfactory tones with the GAC engaged.

But that's OK - to each his own, different strokes, etc, etc. I still think it's a fine product and I'm sure it will have a loyal following of users.

[Reverb]

Don't feel bad Harry. I had similar experiences to yours and came to more or less the same conclusions. It's a wonderful pedal, with lots of great options and tones, but in direct comparisons to my standard bearers, ie: GS Red and V-Stack Tweedy (low gain mod), it didn't fully rise to the occasion. I found I had to crank the OD output volume to at least 3:00-4:00 to match my rig & pedal levels, which added additional gain to push my amp's front end. And I couldn't get any satisfactory tones with the GAC engaged.

But that's OK - to each his own, different strokes, etc, etc. I still think it's a fine product and I'm sure it will have a loyal following of users.


Definitely different strokes. I A/B'd it to my GS Red and the Red just could not compete with the complex mid range of the Ethos. The Red sounded thin and sterile by comparison. I always use the Jazz setting on the OD. I set the switches on Bright, Classic and Jazz for the OD and get smokin tones

[HarryJ]

Definitely different strokes. I A/B'd it to my GS Red and the Red just could not compete with the complex mid range of the Ethos. The Red sounded thin and sterile by comparison. I always use the Jazz setting on the OD. I set the switches on Bright, Classic and Jazz for the OD and get smokin tones

I did try the jazz setting. I will try one of my other amps today and maybe record that as well.
I really want to love this puppy!

Thx

HJ

[HarryJ]

Ok, here is another very different perspective.
This time I used my Strat with Area pickups into my '58 Super

http://www.harryj.net/AMP_small1.JPG

I close miked the Super with a '58 (panned hard left)
Then took the speaker simulator out of the Ethos (panned hard right)
Then used the MXL 603 as a room mic (middle)

I ran the out of the Zen to the in of the Ethos. It appears that the speaker sim of the Ethos remains active even when the Ethos is not on. This is a great feature!

I found the Ethos speaker sim out to be a bit bright, but very nice. I played with the EQ a tad to mellow it out.
I also added a touch of 'verb for ambiance this time.

Personally I think the Ethos sounded great this time, as did the Zen. Clearly my '58 Super likes both of these pedals.

http://www.harryj.net/EthosSuper.mp3

http://www.harryj.net/E&ZSuper.mp3

Ethos settings:

Gain 2:00
Treble 12:00
Mid 3:30
Bass 1:00
Presence 2:00
Vol 12:00
Bright off
Classic
Rock
GAC off (down)
HC 12:00


Zen settings:

Vol 10:00
Tone 3:00
Gain 1:00
Voice 4:00

[r9player]

Very nice clips thanks!

[dorfmeister]

Can the boost be engaged when the "clean" channel is on or only when the "overdrive" channel is engaged?

[HarryJ]

Can the boost be engaged when the "clean" channel is on or only when the "overdrive" channel is engaged?

Just the overdrive

HJ

[HarryJ]

Hearing this again inspired me to try a new version of this incredible BT

Recording info:

Heritage 535 into my Modded Bassman With:

The Ethos on the 1st round
The Zen on the 2nd round
The King Of Tone on the 3rd round

Mic info:

MXL 2001 close miked on amp (center)
H&K Red Box Cab emulator (hard left)
Cab emulator of the Ethos (hard right)


http://harryj.net/gospel2.mp3

Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net/)

[Cheebatone]

The playing in some of the clips in this and other, Ethos-related, threads have really been excellent. I need to practise harder... :o

[duanesworld]

yep, this last clip had some outstanding playing, But I guess we all know its in the pedals.

[JingleJungle]

Hearing this again inspired me to try a new version of this incredible BT

Recording info:

Heritage 535 into my Modded Bassman With:

The Ethos on the 1st round
The Zen on the 2nd round
The King Of Tone on the 3rd round

Mic info:

MXL 2001 close miked on amp (center)
H&K Red Box Cab emulator (hard left)
Cab emulator of the Ethos (hard right)


http://harryj.net/gospel2.mp3

Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net/)


Sheesh.... :messedup
Right, now what do we have on our regular programming schedule? LOL....

Harry - I sort of fergut the round seequence, y'know, wasn't paying too much attention to what is where - it just sounded just SO darn fine :) :D

Both the other two ODs went through the Ethos and then to the amp?

JJ

[HarryJ]

Sheesh.... :messedup
Right, now what do we have on our regular programming schedule? LOL....

Harry - I sort of fergut the round seequence, y'know, wasn't paying too much attention to what is where - it just sounded just SO darn fine :) :D

Both the other two ODs went through the Ethos and then to the amp?

JJ

Thx guys :-)

Yes, the other 2 went through the Ethos NOT engaged. It seems that the speaker emulator remains active... either that or the other 2 boxes sound damn good direct in

I forgot to post settings: (in order of appearance)

Ethos:
Gain 11:00
Treb 2:00
mid full
bass 12:00
pres 2:00
vol 2:00
HC 12:00
GAC off
Bright off
Classic
Rock

I tried many options here, I still find the classic setting to be a bit thicker when mid is full

Zen:

Vol 12:00
Tone 4:00
Gain 10:00
Voice 3:00

KOT:

Drive 1:00
Tone 3:00
Volume 2:00

These went into the "normal" channel of my extreamly modded '66 Bassman. This channel is voiced like a blonde bassman. (The "bass" channel is voiced like a plexi or tweed chosen by a switch)

I feel all 3 pedals sounded great with their own voices. I did try to dial them in to be pretty similar. I'm guessing that if I didn't mention it, no one would guess there were 3 boxes.

HJ
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net)

[Robbie]

Thx guys :-)

Yes, the other 2 went through the Ethos NOT engaged. It seems that the speaker emulator remains active... either that or the other 2 boxes sound damn good direct in

I forgot to post settings: (in order of appearance)

Ethos:
Gain 11:00
Treb 2:00
mid full
bass 12:00
pres 2:00
vol 2:00
HC 12:00
GAC off
Bright off
Classic
Rock

I tried many options here, I still find the classic setting to be a bit thicker when mid is full

Zen:

Vol 12:00
Tone 4:00
Gain 10:00
Voice 3:00

KOT:

Drive 1:00
Tone 3:00
Volume 2:00

These went into the "normal" channel of my extreamly modded '66 Bassman. This channel is voiced like a blonde bassman. (The "bass" channel is voiced like a plexi or tweed chosen by a switch)

I feel all 3 pedals sounded great with their own voices. I did try to dial them in to be pretty similar. I'm guessing that if I didn't mention it, no one would guess there were 3 boxes.

HJ
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net)

The Ethos speaker simulator circuit stays engaged on the speak sim output when you are in the bypass mode. The intent of this feature was to allow your guitar and/or other applications to be able to utilize the speaker sim circuit for recording or going into a flat band system eg. PA etc.

Thanks,

Robbie

[Robbie]

Hi Everybody,

Just a quick note. I have updated the website www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com) with:

Production Status
Power Adapter Info
Sound clips / videos from some of our fellow TGP'ers.I would also like to thank everyone for the great emails.

Thanks!

Robbie

[Twanger]

Harry, the playing on the Gospel Blues track is killer, awesome phrasing and touch man. Thanks for the clips! :)

[gw_bluesman]

Gentleman .... I have, or should say HAD Ethos serial#: 006

Before you wonder why I said had .. it's because it was left out of my van after a gig on Friday and is now gone :(

I was about to post a review but will send it to Robbie to post as he sees fit. The bottom line is that the Ethos is great, amazing how touch sensitive it is. I'm interested in replacing it, that should give you some idea that I loved it!!!

Robbie ... I'm sending you an email.

Gentleman .... keep an eye out for Ethos #006. It could turn up anywhere but went MIA in Nazerath, PA on 11/9. I'm willing to pay a "recovery" fee.

Regards,

[HarryJ]

Wow that sux man!
I'll certainly keep an eye out for it,. You are like an hour away or so.
And with the "6 degrees of separation" principle, there is going to be a connection if it was in fact a musician.
Of course, watch Ebay, and craigs list as well.
Hope it somehow shows up

By the way, thx Twanger :-)

HJ

[r9player]

one of those should stick out like a sore thumb. Hope you get it back!

[Tonewolf]

I'll keep an eye out for it also... I'll tell the Macungie Mafia!

I look forward to your review!

[journo]

Hi,

I just feel I have to share my joy. Rob has honored me by placing two of my tunes recorded with Ethos on his web page.

I'm happy!

Cheers,

Mats N

[Tonewolf]

Jorno, Your playing showcases the pedal very well and I love it!

I'm happy too. I've just got word that my Ethos will be ready in about a month or so.

[journo]

Jorno, Your playing showcases the pedal very well and I love it!

I'm happy too. I've just got word that my Ethos will be ready in about a month or so.

Thanks Tonewolf. If you're anything like me your happiness will increase when you get your mitts on the pedal.

Cheers,

Mats N

[arnie65]

Congrats Matts! Many peolple don't know this but Matt also created the backing tracks himself. Great Job man!!

[journo]

Congrats Matts! Many peolple don't know this but Matt also created the backing tracks himself. Great Job man!!

Hi Arnie,

You are without doubt one of my greatest supporters and for this I thank you.

I case anyone wants to check out some other stuff recorded direct you can visit my home page and click on the link "Musik" where there are a number of tunes recorded direct (also written by me). There are explanations in english regarding gear used. You are most welcome. Follow this link:
http://web.telia.com/~u68300538/

Cheers,

Mats N

[bilbal]

My word that is some great stuff Mats. There are so many wonderful artists here I could listen to all night if given the chance: Mats, Harry J, Ed DeGenaro, carleygeetar56, Joe (Lucidology) Bill Bolling, Tomo, Tag, Scott Lerner, just to name a few. There are dozens more. You guys are awesome players and your material is top notch.

Anyway, getting back on the subject of this Ethos pedal, mine should be here tomorrow and I am stoked. It has been a great couple of weeks. I had a very successful back surgery (first and foremost), received my GT500, a Zendrive, an Ethos (tomorrow) and just got word that my Howie can be delivered any time I'm ready for it. It's funny how what I was convinced was to be the worst couple o' three weeks has turned out great. I'm very happy right now!!! Probably largely in part to the HUGE cocktail of meds I'm on - LOL!!!! No just kidding - I couldn't be more sincere with my compliments of you guys!!!

:D:D:D:D

[Cheebatone]

I got my e-mail from Rob and Sue the other day and I've taken up the option of the newer model with the tighter bottom-end. The thing is, I can't find any mention of this revision in this thread, or on the Custom Tones website. Does anyone know any more about this?

[blue_lu]

bilbal, good to hear that everything worked out ok!!!
I'm really anxious to hear about your feelings for the ethos compared to the zen and the howie. I do have a zen but never tried the howie.
So far I really like the ethos, and the longer I have it, the more I like it. It grows on you, so to speak - it really takes a while until you get a feeling for all the knobs and switches. I'm getting a GREAT direct recording tone and really wanted to put a soundclip up here, but my playing ....uhh....i dunno. :(
Someday, I guess... so anyway - REALLY looking forward to hear about your experience with all thos pedals. maybe I need a howie to... who knows ;)
later, lu

[blue_lu]

Robbie
could you publish a "how to" guide on how to do the mod ourselves? I think all the european/overseas buyers (me included) don't really want to pay for all the shipping and customs over again...
A before/after MP3 would be the icing on the cake...

[bilbal]

bilbal, good to hear that everything worked out ok!!!
I'm really anxious to hear about your feelings for the ethos compared to the zen and the howie. I do have a zen but never tried the howie.
So far I really like the ethos, and the longer I have it, the more I like it. It grows on you, so to speak - it really takes a while until you get a feeling for all the knobs and switches. I'm getting a GREAT direct recording tone and really wanted to put a soundclip up here, but my playing ....uhh....i dunno. :(
Someday, I guess... so anyway - REALLY looking forward to hear about your experience with all thos pedals. maybe I need a howie to... who knows ;)
later, lu

Blue Lu:

Thanks so much for your words regarding my recovery. I am not sure if I mentioned this but ALL of my doctors and surgeons are extremely pleased with the surgery's results. Of course I feel horrible but I am getting better every day. The key is regulating and some how being able to adhere to a schedule for meds. The pain can get unmanageable at times but as long as the Oxys are floating around the potential for a pain free recovery exists. I have to say that all in all I am doing ten times better than I or my doctors had hoped for. I may be able to squeak by with as few as 2 more surgeries. There does exist an issue with sleeping comfortably. I bought a sleep number bed and also put a Tempurpedic mattress pad on it. You won't find a more comfy place but...

So I got my Ethos this afternoon and just stopped playing with it. I think it's an awesome tool and hope to have all day to further tweak it. A friend (actually he's more like a nephew) came over to see me this evening and we went through my rig piece by piece. Unless I am mistaken, he preferred the Zendrive to my Ethos. Luckily, I now have both and can take as long as I need with them. They are certainly different enough to justify owning both. Next week the Howie gets here. I cannot wait.

Sorry for the babbling and semi-coherent thoughts. I am EXTREMELY medicated right now with Oxys, Dilaudid, and Valium onboard. I feel decent but I am probably not making much sense. For that I apologize. I will try to get an a/b comparison going tomorrow and then again with the Howie.

Take good care all,
bilbal

Let's hear some clips Lu. No one is going to say a thing and I doubt very much that your playing is...uhh... I wish I had recording equipment to let you all hear these different pedals. I just bought a killer Canon digital camera with a bunch of memory for video. I wonder if I can use it? Gonna have to look into it.

[james russell]

bilbal,

Congrats on your successful surgery. Your writing is quite articulate, I think it's better than mine when I'm not medicated at all. Best wishes on your future health. Living with pain colors everything.

I have both the Ethos and the Zendrive and I've been more successful with the Ethos as far as getting the tones I've been shooting for. For my rig the Ethos has been better with my Strat with lower output pickups into my Tone King Meteor II. With that guitar the Zen has always sounded buzzy and kind of like a raspy transistor radio. I've dialed it to within an inch of it's life and with that guitar I just can't get it to sound smooth. It's better if I kick the Zen a little with a Timmy. The bummer is that it's my favorite guitar that just feels right in my hands, and I LOVE the clean tones so I'm not giving up that axe. Some others around here have also found the Ethos to respond very differently with different guitars. I guess that's true with all pedals. May you find the perfect combination for tonal bliss!

You sure have got some great stuff to compare. Perfect timing for your recovery. When you do reviews, let us know what guitars and amps you are using to complete the picture.

James

[Reverb]

I have a recommendation for those struggling with lead tones on the Ethos.

Try setting the Bright switch ON and the Jazz setting ON with the Classic Mode ON. Bump up the Mids to 3 and the Bass to 2:30, Lower the Treble and Presence but keep the High Cut about Midway or a little brighter.
To me the tone just seems more open and dynamic. I sometimes find the Rock setting to be a bit congested and stuffy.

I would be curious to get anyones feedback on this


Reverb

[HarryJ]

I received my Ethos with the new mod that Robbie has come up with to address the loose, somewhat buzzy low end.

Robbie has put a 2-way toggle on the left side of my unit to demo this feature.
Down is the TLE mod (tight low end), up is the original Ethos circuit.

I was really hoping that this mod would be a considerable improvement, and make the Ethos far more usable for me. In a word (or 3), it absolutely has.

I recorded a clip to demo this mod.
It starts out with the Bassman alone, then the new mod engaged at :07, followed by the original at :27, the new mod again at :39, old at :45, new at :50, old at 1:06… you will then hear me go back and forth a number of times

Is the Ethos perfect? I still have to say that in my amps anyway, the boost and GAC controls don’t do much for me. The boost seems to sound much less full, and GAC sounds like a blanket over the speaker.

I realize that the Ethos boost is based on the Dumble boost, and understand others are finding it, and the GAC useful. Personally I would find the boost to be far more useful if it were a simple clean preamp; either before, or after the OD, each would be useful.

Now, the new mod on the other hand, to my ear, there is no comparison.
The mod sounds far more full, less buzzy and more natural to me. Good Job Robbie!
I will be very curious to hear how many of you prefer the original vs new mod tone.

But….. will it replace my Zen? Absolutely not. They each have their own voice, and individual mojo goin’

Recording info:

Strat ----> Ethos---->Bassman close miked with a Sennheiser E609 (panned hard right.)
Ethos direct out (panned hard left, with a slight EQ boost to the lows)
I also trimmed the highs a touch from both sides

Ethos settings:

Gain 1:00
Brite off
Classic
Rock
Treble 3:00
Middle 3:00
Bass 3:00
Presence 3:00
Vol 1:00
GAC down
HC 11:00
www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3 (http://www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3)

Harry Jacobson

[Fineblend]

Harry, did you specifically mention to have a switch added, I got mine recently and before it was sent I was asked if I wanted the mod and went with that knowing the issues at hand with the bass response. Is the toggle standard or did you asked for it is my question(And did this cost extra?). Thanks! (BTW-Great playing it really speaks the difference!)

And for others, what is the way to tell if there was a mod done, I have a marking on mine thats says "M1", maybe mod 1? I have no idea, would be a good reference for people buying and selling as well so people know what they are getting!

[HarryJ]

Thx :-)
Robbie, jump in anytime man

HJ

[guitardude5]

Recording info:

Strat ----> Ethos---->Bassman close miked with a Sennheiser E609 (panned hard right.)
Ethos direct out (panned hard left, with a slight EQ boost to the lows)
I also trimmed the highs a touch from both sides

Ethos settings:

Gain 1:00
Brite off
Classic
Rock
Treble 3:00
Middle 3:00
Bass 3:00
Presence 3:00
Vol 1:00
GAC down
HC 11:00
www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3 (http://www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3)

Harry Jacobson

Hey Harry,

Sounds really good! Maybe it's just my speakers:o but it sounds a little bright (please don't be offended - it's not meant that way at all). Could you elaborate a little more for me on your gear settings? Is you Bassman stock (what year/any mods/speakers) and how is it set? Also, what kind of pickups are you using in your Strat?

Thanks for your time :BEER

[HarryJ]

Actually, Rob thought it was bright so I trimmed off some highs... I guess not enough. Through my speakers it sounds pretty good. Maybe I'll trim some more.
The tone in the room was real nice, not bright... sometimes my recording skills suck big time :-)

Guitar Warmoth swamp ash, Dimarzio pickups
Neck is the prototype for the upcoming Area '67
Middle Area '58
Bridge is Heavy Blues 2

Bassman settings:
Vol 2
Treble 5
Bass 3
Power Scaling at about 25%
Normal channel (voiced like a blond with presence)


Amp info: (copied from my site)

66 Fender Bassman in custom made 1X12" Tweed combo cabinet with Celestion G12H-80
This amp started out life as a black faced amp head. Modded by: Chandler Amps (http://www.harryj.net/www.chandleramps.com/Portal/)
Mods included:

Amp converted to a hybrid of the AA864 and AB165 designs (I believe this is referred to as the Allen (http://www.allenamps.com/repairs.html) mod)
channel 1 is voiced like a tweed bassman/JTM45 marshall
channel 2 has the sweet yet chimey tone that IS the "black face" Fender sound.
A mid tone control was added to channel 1
A presence switch was added to both channels.
The cap values of the bright and deep switches were changed.

Weber Beam Blocker http://www.webervst.com/blocker.html

London Power, Power Scaling module added to control wattage
http://www.londonpower.com/kits/psbox.htm
The cabinet was made by Ken Freeman I very highly recommend both his excellent craftsmanship and professional service.
Update: Seems to no longer be building cabinets

Purists go nuts when they see all these mods, but each one made this amp sweeter in one way or another IMHO


http://www.harryj.net/bassman1.jpg






Hey Harry,

Sounds really good! Maybe it's just my speakers:o but it sounds a little bright (please don't be offended - it's not meant that way at all). Could you elaborate a little more for me on your gear settings? Is you Bassman stock (what year/any mods/speakers) and how is it set? Also, what kind of pickups are you using in your Strat?

Thanks for your time :BEER

[HarryJ]

I just trimmed off a little more highs
Any better?

H

[Robbie]

Hi Everybody,

I have just updated my website www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com) with information regarding the new Ethos Overdrive Tightened Low End (TLE) Mod.

If you have any comments or questions, please email me at rob@customtonesinc.com

Thanks,

Robbie

[bilbal]

Thanks James Russell. Thanks for your kind words. I often wondertd with the my thoughts when I'm medicated please forgive me.

I plan to spend all afternoon jamminwith all my new toys and will find a way to get some clips or at least some better descriptions of the Zen, GT500, and the Ethos. I love all three for different reasons and they are all sticking around.

We are all very fortunate to be ina plce where tone enhancements/refining are easily available if you want to do a little research. To be honest. there are many people here for which I have great respect and I like following their tone search as much as mine.

[the_Chris]

Oh man, I wish I hadn't sold my Ethos now that there's a TLE mod... that probably would have made the pedal a keeper (that was really my biggest gripe with it). Eh, such is life. Cool to see mods already in place for people that are looking for it though :)

[blue_lu]

hmmm....

well its cool to see that robbie does mod already built ethos ods to the new, better sounding specs, and if i lived in the US 23 bucks + shipping wouldn't be a big deal.
I'm european though, so thats a whole different thing:
I payed 35 dollars for shipping plus 70Euros for customs - which equals a total of 137 dollars for a one-way shipping. for me that would equal:
35$ for shipping to robbie
23$ for the mod
35$ for shipping
102$ for the mod
-----------------------------
195$ in total for the mod

add that to the already ( very happily) spent 532$ (395 for the unit+ 102 customs + 35 shipping - and i had to buy an ac adapter serperatly, because a european version wasn't available at that time ) that equals a total of 727$!!!

I'm sure that I will have to pay again for customs if I want a secure and legit shipping for my 532 dollar pedal - so i will have to pass. for that kind of money i could have easily gotten a d-lite kit. I do understand that robbie wants to protect his circuit, but i would have thought there would some other way to perform the mod for the early overseas buyers - similar to david barbers style, for example. he posts mods with diy photo guides on his website, so everybody can attempt them themselves. So far, I feel a little left out, to be honest.

[blue_lu]

johan,

good to see that there's someone in the same boat...
I would aprecciate it if you could post a quick note, if Robbie is willing to work things out a little different and more price-friendly for us.

thanks, lu

[homerayvaughan]

Man, this is what I was afraid of - after spending $395 on a pedal with all the knobs and switches it already has, it needs a mod to tighten the low end. :jo
Shouldn't the mod been part of the original design, especially if it can be switched on or off?
New customers get the mod included for the same price...existing customers have to pay $23 plus shipping (both ways of course). Why not have the option of sending a "classic" unit back and having it replaced with one with the mod?

Sorry, but I'm pretty frustrated with this.

[Fineblend]

read the site, there is no switch that will switch between the two, it was only for demo purposes.

[blue_lu]

UPDATE: Robbie contacted me via email and is trying to solve the issue. I'll keep you posted.
I have to say that I really appreciate this effort of his.

[journo]

johan,

good to see that there's someone in the same boat...
I would aprecciate it if you could post a quick note, if Robbie is willing to work things out a little different and more price-friendly for us.

thanks, lu

Hi Lu,

I'm keeping you company in that boat too.

Cheers,

Mats N

[DonneR]

Yeah maybe all the Euro guys could send there pedals to one person to send them over at once save a bunch of postage that way.......

[blue_lu]

donner, unfortunately its not only the postage, it is also the customs (23% of the declared (read insured) value). at least here in germany they are a major pain...


for my ethos i had to pay little more than 100 dollars customs only. and everytime i will recieve a ethos, regardless if i just sent it over to robbie or not, i will have to pay that sum again. this sucks.

i dunno... how high are customs in sweden for our beloved guitar gear...?!

[blue_lu]

Find one to do the work? Björn Juhl or somebody. I know he's got plenty of time :rotflmao

yeah, if its more than changing the value of a single resistor, i know at least five people who "swing a mean soldering iron" so to speak. I mean mr. barber offers all kinds of instrucions on how to tweak his pedals by soldering... why not just go that way?

[DonneR]

Right if he would post it as a 'Void your own warranty at your own risk' thing then yeah there are a number of smaller in country pedalers over there like Himmelstrutz (Stockholm) and Telenordia (Berlin) respectively who might do it professionally....:AOK


But I can also see Robbie may not want to post that info either

[thepimpdaddy]

I just wanted to chime in on the TLE mod, and the need for it. You may find that your particular amp does not require the TLE - I have two very bottom heavy vintage Traynor amps with big iron, and I don't find the bottom end of the Ethos thin, or buzzy on either channel. I have the mid and the bass controls up substantially in the tone stack (mid -2:30ish, bass 3:15-:30) to match the bottom end already present in my amps, so that when I engage the Ethos, the bottom end doesn't fall away and telegraph "OD pedal in use!", but these setting match the low frequency output of my amps in an extremely transparent way. For you Euro guys frettin about paying the freight so to speak for the TLE mod, and wondering whether it's the only way, I don't know whether you've tried to set the Ethos to what might seem like these "extreme" tone stack settings, but these settings are what I found appropriate to have a basically seamless Amp only-Ethos Clean/in-Ethos Gain/in transition while I'm playing live. It makes not one bit of difference to me whether the knob says 7 o'clock or 5:30 if I find the tone I need, want, and love on those settings. I'm very satisfied with this pedal unmodified, obviously YMMV based on the amp ya got in tha hizouse. But the Traynors have never ever lacked for bottom end, and the Ethos doesn't douse any lo-end (altho some low end does dissipate when the Boost is engaged on Gain channel). Don't know whether a Deluxe Reverb or Marshall JMP pose different challenges in this regard . . . I have noticed that the Crate Powerblock requires a different tone stack tweak entirely.

I also noticed that the GAC switch isn't necessary on the Traynors, Ethos is more open and articulate with switch disengaged (makes total sense from Robbie's description of the GAC function on the FAQs).

JMHO, hope this helps some.

the Pimpdaddy

[blue_lu]

pimpdaddy,
personally, i don't think the ethos is thin sounding, but its a fact that if you go for higher gain tones (gain at 2:30 - 3:00 and more) the bass frequencies (3:00) become too undefined for my taste. if i roll off the bass to 10:00, the lower frequencies clear up quite nice, but THEN it doesn't sound as full (even in the upper registers) as it does when the bass is around 3:00.

the boost works nice though!

[blue_lu]

euro guys... any news?

[Tube Guy]

I know someone who could do the mods in Europe if Robbie is agreeable. I suggested he contact Robbie to see whether it was viable.

[blue_lu]

well, everyone here has a respectable builder in his country, I think.

Sweden is home of BJFE and the Himmelstrutz guys, Germany has Telenordia , Banzai, Baldringer, Okko, lots of guys who have serious reputations...
just need the info on WHAT to do...

posted an ethos direct clip in the soundclip corner, btw.

[homerayvaughan]

read the site, there is no switch that will switch between the two, it was only for demo purposes.

Ok, but whether there's a switch or not, it's still an extra $23 for the mod, plus shipping both ways, so we are talking another $60-$75 more than what I paid already. He should offer to take back an early model in exchange for a new one with the mod.

[journo]

He should offer to take back an early model in exchange for a new one with the mod.

Now, while that would be very nice and generous of Robbie I don't think that will happen. I also have an early non TLE Ethos so I'm in the same boat as you.

If you compare this situation with a similar scenario from another manufacturer like Boss. I bought a pedal once from Boss and just a few weeks later they released a new and improved model. Did I think it was a good situation sitting there with the old pedal when there was a new one with better features/sound at the same price? Nope! Did I even for one second consider going to the store to demand that Boss takes back my pedal and give me a new one? Definitely not! I once bought a new car and two weeks later they car maker announced a new model. Did I go back and demand they take my old car and give me a new one? They would have laughed me out of the store! Then why would we expect this from Robbie. I don't know Robbie personally at all. I think he's doing his best to produce a good product. His service and customer relations is absolutely top notch.

I understand that most of us would like the new TLE mod for free but I also know that we all wanted an Ethos and if we were on the ball we got one early. If we had KNOWN that a new TLE version would be released would we have waited? I don't know because I like my stuff ASAP. We also know that when we buy something, there will come a new model sooner or later. Especially from the boutique builders that always want to produce the very best pedals. In fact, that's the very reason I love them.

It may be just me but I think it's unfair of us to expect a new pedal from Robbie. Yes, I agree that for us Europeans the total price for the mod is bordering on the ridiculous. On the other hand very little of that money goes to Robbie. The rest he has absolutely no control over. If you consider the business model of a small business like Robbie's he can't afford to tick off his customers by charging stupid money for his services. I'm sure he has priced the mod service at a low profit as he's almost certainly aware of the importance of keeping his early supporters happy. He wants to stay in business and develop even more cool pedals.

So we all have our own wallets to look after so this is just my 2 cents worth of personal opinion.


Cheers,

Mats N

[journo]

Hi,

I'm thinking I should hang onto my pre-TLE version as it seems it will become a collectors item. :D

Cheers,

Mats N

[Hacksaw]

I think I was on page 35? Just got my invoice and paid. I have preordered two units. My order now stands as, One ethos and one TLE model. I am sure both will have their place. I will get to hear the difference.

Cant wait to try these out!

[DonneR]

Yup had the same thought - Ill keep the original I got out of the emporium and get the one from Robbie in TLE and have even more range......


I was doing some recording with it and running other distortion pedals thru its spkr sim out and it works really well thru the green/clean channel...

I wonder how two would stack :dude red channel INTO green channel... may not be dumbly anymore but could get interesting ; ] :AOK

[Hacksaw]

DonneR, Vvvvery Intersting? YES! Work as well as a Wah in your shorts? NEVER!!!

[homerayvaughan]

Now, while that would be very nice and generous of Robbie I don't think that will happen. I also have an early non TLE Ethos so I'm in the same boat as you.

If you compare this situation with a similar scenario from another manufacturer like Boss. I bought a pedal once from Boss and just a few weeks later they released a new and improved model. Did I think it was a good situation sitting there with the old pedal when there was a new one with better features/sound at the same price? Nope! Did I even for one second consider going to the store to demand that Boss takes back my pedal and give me a new one? Definitely not! I once bought a new car and two weeks later they car maker announced a new model. Did I go back and demand they take my old car and give me a new one? They would have laughed me out of the store! Then why would we expect this from Robbie. I don't know Robbie personally at all. I think he's doing his best to produce a good product. His service and customer relations is absolutely top notch.

I understand that most of us would like the new TLE mod for free but I also know that we all wanted an Ethos and if we were on the ball we got one early. If we had KNOWN that a new TLE version would be released would we have waited? I don't know because I like my stuff ASAP. We also know that when we buy something, there will come a new model sooner or later. Especially from the boutique builders that always want to produce the very best pedals. In fact, that's the very reason I love them.

It may be just me but I think it's unfair of us to expect a new pedal from Robbie. Yes, I agree that for us Europeans the total price for the mod is bordering on the ridiculous. On the other hand very little of that money goes to Robbie. The rest he has absolutely no control over. If you consider the business model of a small business like Robbie's he can't afford to tick off his customers by charging stupid money for his services. I'm sure he has priced the mod service at a low profit as he's almost certainly aware of the importance of keeping his early supporters happy. He wants to stay in business and develop even more cool pedals.

So we all have our own wallets to look after so this is just my 2 cents worth of personal opinion.


Cheers,

Mats N
I don't disagree with you completely. I suppose that is unrealistic to expect this to happen (probably why I haven't bothered contacting him in the first place), but we are talking about a small business that is making one product, trying to make a name for himself, and I think that by offering a product (which I only received about 4 weeks ago) that already has what is sounding like a necessary improvement moreso than a modification, is the problem.

I don't want anything for free - I paid the same as everyone else, but if someone were to purchase one now, only a month after I did, they have the option of getting the "improved" version for the same price I paid - and I think that to me, personally, that sucks.

If he was that concerned about keeping his early supporters from being ticked off, he'd offer something better than having to pay additional charges to have done to it what should have been done to start with.

my .02.

[arnie65]

Settle down..

[Csapo]

I think I was on page 35? Just got my invoice and paid. I have preordered two units. My order now stands as, One ethos and one TLE model. I am sure both will have their place. I will get to hear the difference.

Cant wait to try these out!

Dang, I'm on page 31 and haven't heard a word yet... :worried :( :worried

I'm ready to pay and open it for Xmas.

[blue_lu]

But why can't we (the Overseas-People) send Robbie the money thorugh paypal and he will send us instructions for the mod via email. Then we take care of it ourselves. Everybody would be happy that way! Robbie, please?!

[narapo]

But why can't we (the Overseas-People) send Robbie the money thorugh paypal and he will send us instructions for the mod via email. Then we take care of it ourselves. Everybody would be happy that way! Robbie, please?!

+1

Ethos Rocks !

[Frater B]

and I think that by offering a product (which I only received about 4 weeks ago) that already has what is sounding like a necessary improvement moreso than a modification, is the problem.


This is where I am on the fence!

Is this a necessary improvement or a modification?

I like mine the way it is, so I think it's a modification.
Not sure if I should get the TLE.

It's the risk one takes in trying a new product.

I was drawn in by the features and not the amp that inspired it.
The Ethos has really delivered the goods for me. The green channel
direct was worth it alone, IMO. Keep in mind I have never owned a
D-amp, I 've heard some recordings and EJ live.

Thought most D-amps sounded different anyway? There must be some
with the loose bass sound being described from the pedal?

No?

.

[Structo]

I agree, user should pay shipping to and from, but the mod should be free.
Com'on it's a $400 pedal for crying out loud!

[Robbie]

This is where I am on the fence!

Is this a necessary improvement or a modification?

I like mine the way it is, so I think it's a modification.
Not sure if I should get the TLE.

It's the risk one takes in trying a new product.

I was drawn in by the features and not the amp that inspired it.
The Ethos has really delivered the goods for me. The green channel
direct was worth it alone, IMO. Keep in mind I have never owned a
D-amp, I 've heard some recordings and EJ live.

Thought most D-amps sounded different anyway? There must be some
with the loose bass sound being described from the pedal?

No?

.


Hi Everybody,

I have been receiving emails similar to Frater B's comments. To answer these questions and others, I have updated www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com) with the latest info regarding the the TLE mod.

If you have any comments or questions, please email me at rob@customtonesinc.com

Thanks,

Robbie

[Tonewolf]

I'd like to order a new one with a switch to switch between both versions. I'd pay extra for this and would expect to. I play through a few types of amps and feel some would loose low end dynamics.

Sometimes ya just feel like loose low end, sometimes ya don't.

When my order is up I'll be asking if this is possible.

[Fineblend]

that option is not available, check the site updates

[Hacksaw]

Dang, I'm on page 31 and haven't heard a word yet... :worried :( :worried

I'm ready to pay and open it for Xmas.

I just went back to look and see what page I was actually on, I am on page 30! Not 35 Like I "thought" :D ( looking took a while! ha!)

Hopefully you will hear something any minute!!

[Droptop]

Hi Rob,
I got an email from Sue saying that my unit ready, but your email address is bouncing back when I respond back to her. Please advise.

[Droptop]

Great pedal Robbie! Best this year.

[fatherjacques]

I got mine This week and only one word WOW!!!!

[Garygtr]

Got my Ethos back from Robbie with the TLE mod done, very quick turnaround time! It's sitting in my cube at work, staring at me....will report later. :D

[TNJ]

Mine should arrive this week, TLE mod completed.
I have a gig this saturday, so I"m stoked!
S.
j

[MightyGuru]

Got the message from Sue this morning that the TLE Mod is already done and the Ethos is on the way back....nice turnaround!

[Tonewolf]

Those who have the TLE mod...

Let us know what you think of the difference please.:drool

[HarryJ]

Did you see this?

I received my Ethos with the new mod that Robbie has come up with to address the loose, somewhat buzzy low end.

Robbie has put a 2-way toggle on the left side of my unit to demo this feature.
Down is the TLE mod (tight low end), up is the original Ethos circuit.

I was really hoping that this mod would be a considerable improvement, and make the Ethos far more usable for me. In a word (or 3), it absolutely has.

I recorded a clip to demo this mod.
It starts out with the Bassman alone, then the new mod engaged at :07, followed by the original at :27, the new mod again at :39, old at :45, new at :50, old at 1:06… you will then hear me go back and forth a number of times

Is the Ethos perfect? I still have to say that in my amps anyway, the boost and GAC controls don’t do much for me. The boost seems to sound much less full, and GAC sounds like a blanket over the speaker.

I realize that the Ethos boost is based on the Dumble boost, and understand others are finding it, and the GAC useful. Personally I would find the boost to be far more useful if it were a simple clean preamp; either before, or after the OD, each would be useful.

Now, the new mod on the other hand, to my ear, there is no comparison.
The mod sounds far more full, less buzzy and more natural to me. Good Job Robbie!
I will be very curious to hear how many of you prefer the original vs new mod tone.

But….. will it replace my Zen? Absolutely not. They each have their own voice, and individual mojo goin’

Recording info:

Strat ----> Ethos---->Bassman close miked with a Sennheiser E609 (panned hard right.)
Ethos direct out (panned hard left, with a slight EQ boost to the lows)
I also trimmed the highs a touch from both sides

Ethos settings:

Gain 1:00
Brite off
Classic
Rock
Treble 3:00
Middle 3:00
Bass 3:00
Presence 3:00
Vol 1:00
GAC down
HC 11:00
www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3 (http://www.harryj.net/Mod.mp3)

Harry Jacobson

[Tonewolf]

Hey Harry,

Just got my Zendrive today. I can't wait to use these both.

[TNJ]

Did you see this?


Good to hear!
S.
j

[Garygtr]

OK, first impressions of the TLE mod are very, very positive! I liked the Ethos a lot before, but I'm hearing the same things Harry heard in his clips-more distinct low notes, fuller and rounder tone overall, not fuzzy at all but sweet and thick. :dude

[blue_lu]

Great :BITCH

[MightyGuru]

Just arrived...can't wait to get the TLE Modded Ethos home for some noodling.

[Tonewolf]

Just got my notice. I'm ordering one with the TLE mod. Who dosen't like a Tight low end? :)

[Tonewolf]

Well I have my Ethos... As soon as I can come up enough extremely good adjectives and stop playing for a moment to describe this pedal, I'll give a review. The TLE Mod version is wonderful BTW!

[Droptop]

This is pedal of the year. So many good tones with each dial adjustment.

[mude]

Has anyone tried this pedal direct to a PA? Curious, if it could be a cool pedal on the board, but also serve as a reasonable backup if an amp went down. Thanks for any thoughts.

Evan.

[journo]

Has anyone tried this pedal direct to a PA? Curious, if it could be a cool pedal on the board, but also serve as a reasonable backup if an amp went down. Thanks for any thoughts.

Evan.

Hi Evan,

I haven't tried it through a PA in a full session but I have recorded with it using only the recording output and it sounds great. My sound clips are posted at Custom Tones Inc.

Cheers,

Mats N

[MightyGuru]

I've done a couple gigs into a PA with very good results. Had the soundguy put the signal through the monitors with a little room and it was really good. Sounded very amp-like and I enjoyed playing....and not toting gear...very much.

[Fineblend]

there is a link up right now with a guy playing over giant steps

member clip section

[Robbie]

Hi Everybody,

I just got my recording system up and running so I'll be posting some new clips in the next 2 weeks. Based on many requests I'll be sure to include some TLE tones.

Happy Holidays to All!

Robbie

[Tube Guy]

Hi Robbie
Any chance of a TLE solution for those of us in Europe?

[tcaron]

I've got a Ethos on order and will definately request the TLE option.

Has anybody A/B'd the Tim ot Timmy?

I have an order for a Timmy that I placed before the Ethos and was curious if anyone has opinions as to how they compare?

I'm very happy to hear that the Ethos livens up a PA tone!


Thanks!

Tom C.

[journo]

Hi,

I have just posted a new tune (and backing track) in the sound clips section.
Once again I recorded the Ethos directs but this time with a little twist.

Read about it and find the link here:
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=330458

Cheers,

Mats N

[Fineblend]

I've yet to try the direct recording option, and here is to questions

1. compressor after the the pedal, so guitar>sim>compressor?

2. Can you get feedback at all with the speaker sim?

Thanks

[homerayvaughan]

I've got a Ethos on order and will definately request the TLE option.

Has anybody A/B'd the Tim ot Timmy?

I have an order for a Timmy that I placed before the Ethos and was curious if anyone has opinions as to how they compare?

I'm very happy to hear that the Ethos livens up a PA tone!


Thanks!

Tom C.
I had a Tim - they are not even close. The Tim excels as a boost IMO - the Ethos is a full blown preamp in a pedal, not just a boost.

Yes, get the TLE - it was not offered when I bought mine and it's gonna cost me about an extra $75 or so when it's all said and done if I decide to do it at all - so much for jumping on the bandwagon early. The TLE mod shouldn't be offered as an option, it should just be manufactured that way only - I find it is almost unusable the bass flubs out so much. If you try to dial out the flabby bass - it sounds close to a tube screamer to my ears!

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but yeah, I am pretty pissed about it. Decent pedal, just not worth it to me in the long run. Rant over.

[tonecat]

I too feel that the whole TLE mod thing was handled poorly.
I followed the Dxmble thread since last Feb. and got #20 of the
2nd batch. The clean channel is truly wonderful but the overdrive
channel caused some to complain the low end was to loose. I also
found the low end to be unnatural sounding compared to a Jetter GSR
or a Fuchs ODS 50. After paying $440 to get it here in Canada, I felt
like I had just bought a new car and I found it to
steer poorly on corners. When I took it back to the dealer he tells me
I must pay for a mod to the steering to make it steer properly .Similarily the Ethos TLE situation begs the question?
Is Robbies handling of The TLE mod a result of a pride issue whereas he does not want to admit the product was not ready
and should have been beta tested more? My guess is that the non TLE or Classic? models are no longer requested in large numbers as the TLE has taken over as the model of choice.
As for my handling of the situation, I chose to sell it as I was not going to pay to send it back to fix its shortcomings. The Europeans have an even costlier outlook on this. For me it is not the money it is the principal.
I hope the Ethos evolves further .

[thelionsden]

Actually the TLE mod cost me about 50 bucks total. I should have it back in the next day or two. Lets not forget that when we first bought these there was a trial period with a money back guarantee. If you kept it, that was your decision and apparently you felt that you got your moneys worth or you would have sent it back. After my first listen, I almost sent mine back, but after trying it again for a bit more I got it to sound really good in one situation and decided to keep it. I later used it in a session to record some tracks direct and it did a very acceptable job. I was pleased to learn of this mod because the clips sound like it is more to my liking and I am OK with paying the extra 50 to try it and I think I will like it. My point is I think Robbie has not done me wrong because I had my chance to return the classic configuration if I wanted to. All he has done is try to improve or should I say make it more pleasing to some at the request of some good players with good ears and is offering it to all if they want it. I don't have to get it if I don't want to and I am free to stand pat with the first iteration WHICH I ACCEPTED at the initial price. Personally, I am happy this has come about because I think I will like the new tweaks even better at what I consider to be a very modest fee. Most of it is shipping. Can't wait to get it back and try it.

Peace,

Dennis

[thelionsden]

<<snip>> Is Robbies handling of The TLE mod a result of a pride issue whereas he does not want to admit the product was not ready
and should have been beta tested more?


I see this as just the opposite of a pride issue. IMO pride would have insisted it was good the way it was, you chose to keep it and there will be no alterations. Then the Ethos Harry J Sig model would come out and you'd have to try to sell your old one to get the new model. :) To me, he is being very humble in admitting that maybe the device could be better a slightly different way, put the work in to see if it could be done, succeeded and now is making the effort necessary to make it available to all who want to try it at a cheap price. Do you realize what a PITA it must be to organize and orchestrate the return and alteration of all these pedals? :crazy




My guess is that the non TLE or Classic? models are no longer requested in large numbers as the TLE has taken over as the model of choice.
As for my handling of the situation, I chose to sell it as I was not going to pay to send it back to fix its shortcomings. The Europeans have an even costlier outlook on this. For me it is not the money it is the principal.
I hope the Ethos evolves further .

The Europeans have a more difficult and expensive way to go to get the update done, true. But the same thing still applies. There was an obvious risk when ordering, because even shipping it back during the approval period would have been more expensive. But it was a known risk. If it was not shipped back it was accepted as is and should not be complained about IMO. This update situation is a completely new and seperate one. Now would you like a brand new pedal that you like even better? Here is the price...pay it or keep what you got or should I say again accepted. If I am buying things from Europe I know that it will cost me more due to the distance. Not only that we have a poor exchange rate going in that direction. I remember when I used to buy Neumann mics from a German website for way cheaper than I could get them here... Not any more! Apparently he can't find a way to let them do the mod over there as yet due to divulging too much of his design.

Acceptance is the key.. If I accept the situation I agreed to I can feel content and move on to situation 2...do I want a pedal I will like better and am I willing to pay a nominal fee to get it after the builder put in his effort to make it available to me? I do, and I think I will likely be happier with the result. On the plus side of content..:) Or I can to choose not to recognize my responsibility in situation 1 and be discontent and irritated, maybe even deprive myself of the additional enjoyment I could have for a measly 50 bucks. Today, I choose contentment :dude and maybe later today I will move into additional happiness when I get my modded Ethos back. Now, If I could just play like Harry...If only I could get THAT for 50 bucks! :RoCkIn

Dennis

[tonecat]

[quote=thelionsden;3416967]I see this as just the opposite of a pride issue. IMO pride would have insisted it was good the way it was, you chose to keep it and there will be no alterations. Then the Ethos Harry J Sig model would come out and you'd have to try to sell your old one to get the new model. :) To me, he is being very humble in admitting that maybe the device could be better a slightly different way, put the work in to see if it could be done, succeeded and now is making the effort necessary to make it available to all who want to try it at a cheap price. Do you realize what a PITA it must be to organize and orchestrate the return and alteration of all these pedals? :crazy

No where in Robbies response does he admit the device could be better.
He does call it a mod . I believe it should be called a fix as it is necessary
I think if he had done the fix at no charge (customer pays shipping) he
would have a lot more people on board. I have been following the sales of Ethos on this board and Ebay and almost all are non-TLE for sale.
QUOTE
Do you realize what a PITA it must be to organize and orchestrate the return and alteration of all these pedals? :crazy

Car makers have huge problems with recalls as well and they don't charge for the fix

[hackenfort]

Wow Lots of crying about the mod, I think it's a pretty good solution for upgrading and not too costly either.

I don't know how many times I have bought amps, or other electronic's and they have been improved, revised, upgraded shortly after I got mine, with no options at all.

If you don't like it, and don't want to upgrade it, sell it on e-bay. Last I looked they were fetching a pretty good price. I'm on the order list waiting, and I hope any further improvements, he will still offer such a cost effective upgrade path.

[hackenfort]

PS I'm also glad he took the feedback from players and incorporated it into the units design. Wish more manufactures would do this!

[arnie65]

It's kind of sad to see people crying the blues about something like this, I've been playing and using pedals since the late 70's and I can tell you that all pedals have "flaws" or weakneses, some people love them with them and some people don't (this is also subjective) The loose low end was just a weakness or flaw of the Ethos, not a manufacturers defect like some are stating. It was only after 2 people complaint, that everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Robbie was nice enough to address this and offer a mod for those who like a "tight low end" on their sound, not every one does!!! It's not a defect!!! that's why there's a Classic model and a TLE model. One thing you won't find is a shortage of players wanting to buy a used Ethos for the price of a new or more, so you're not loosing any money.

[thelionsden]

No where in Robbies response does he admit the device could be better.
He does call it a mod . I believe it should be called a fix as it is necessary
I think if he had done the fix at no charge (customer pays shipping) he
would have a lot more people on board. I have been following the sales of Ethos on this board and Ebay and almost all are non-TLE for sale.


It is not necessarily better. It is different. Will most people like it better? maybe so, I don't know. How do you know that Robbie doesn't like the classic version better? Why should he take your opinion or anybody elses on that?
If it was such an obvious "fix" that was "necessary" why didn't you notice it when you got yours and send it back for a full refund? IMO thats the trump card right there.. If you can't see that then i think you're right, there is a pride issue here...:)


There aren't that many TLE out there yet to be for sale. When they become the majority of pedals out there, i am sure the ones for sale will be mostly TLE.









Car makers have huge problems with recalls as well and they don't charge for the fix

This is audio.. there are no safety issues, just subjective tonal considerations. does it catch on fire if you use the wall wart? That would be a necessary fix. Look, the mod is 23 bux parts and labor... Does Fulltone offer to change your fulldrive or OCD for 23 bux everytime he comes out with a new one? :roll Yea it would have been nice to save the 23 bux but I can afford it, and I am going to take responsibility for the decision I made to keep the classic version and move on. If you don't want to, I guess thats up to you.


Peace

dennis

[tonecat]

Let me state that if I were in the US I would have sent it for the TLE mod
and tried it as shipping both ways would have been $20 plus the mod (fix) $23.
In my case I have Canadian customs to deal with which adds duty and taxes. As well as higher shipping costs.
The price of the Ethos pedal is plenty high enough and for that price
I was not going to pay extra to try to fix it. No crying here just stating the case as I see it.

[thelionsden]

I understand. Anyway, if you are sending a product back to the builder for an alteration you don't have to pay duty and tax again. If you decided you didn't like the pedal as it was ultimately and didn't feel that the cost to change it was worth it, that is totally understandable. I just think Robbie is technically not financially responsible to change everybodys pedal for free. If they never came up with this change, none of this would ever have come up and there would have still been people digging the pedal and posting clips and going gaga. Only now we can have it better if we want. That is...if you think the TLE is better ;)

Dennis

[stratotone]

[quote=thelionsden;3416967]I see this as just the opposite of a pride issue. IMO pride would have insisted it was good the way it was, you chose to keep it and there will be no alterations. Then the Ethos Harry J Sig model would come out and you'd have to try to sell your old one to get the new model. :) To me, he is being very humble in admitting that maybe the device could be better a slightly different way, put the work in to see if it could be done, succeeded and now is making the effort necessary to make it available to all who want to try it at a cheap price. Do you realize what a PITA it must be to organize and orchestrate the return and alteration of all these pedals? :crazy

No where in Robbies response does he admit the device could be better.
He does call it a mod . I believe it should be called a fix as it is necessary
I think if he had done the fix at no charge (customer pays shipping) he
would have a lot more people on board. I have been following the sales of Ethos on this board and Ebay and almost all are non-TLE for sale.
QUOTE
Do you realize what a PITA it must be to organize and orchestrate the return and alteration of all these pedals? :crazy

Car makers have huge problems with recalls as well and they don't charge for the fix

I never knew car makers that changed a feature on a car and called it a recall. I think some of you are really going out on a limb just to whine. So some people like a tighter low end. It's not a defect, you guys are acting like a small change is the difference between the pedal working or not. At least he offers an upgrade path. Why don't you take an OCD v1 pedal and see how much Fulltone wants to upgrade it to v2 or v3? I guess he needed a recall too, eh?

I bought a non TLE Ethos, it's a nifty pedal. I may have Robbie mod it later, who knows? But the thing is, it works fine and I've recorded with it. If he hadn't mentioned a mod to tighten the low end, I bet 99% of the people wringing their hands about it wouldn't have said anything. Remember all those early clips everyone went nuts over? Non TLE.

Pete

[DonneR]

Yeah I dont know if 'defect' is the right word....

But being as the name/intent of the pedal was to nail the Dumble sound, feel and function and I doubt you would find many actual Dumbles with flabby bottoms perhaps its release was 'premature' :AOK

[stratotone]

Yeah I dont know if 'defect' is the right word....

But being as the name/intent of the pedal was to nail the Dumble sound, feel and function and I doubt you would find many actual Dumbles with flabby bottoms perhaps its release was 'premature' :AOK

I haven't noticed the pedal being that flabby. How many dumbles have you compared your pedal to?

For that matter, how many people thought the sound clips made before the pedals were sold sounded 'flabby'?

[homerayvaughan]

[quote=tonecat;3417107]
If he hadn't mentioned a mod to tighten the low end, I bet 99% of the people wringing their hands about it wouldn't have said anything.

You're right. I would have felt it was a shortcoming of the design of the pedal (which it is - it is not a defect) and probably come to the conclusion that it makes more sense to sell it, which at this point I probably will.
I guess I feel cheated because for my $400 I got a lesser unit than what is currently being offered - and as a reward of going out on a limb and buying an early one, I can pay even more to get it upgraded. Yeah, sure I could have returned it, but I don't know about you but when it comes to a pedal with two channels, 3 footswitches, 7 mini toggles and 12 knobs it takes me a while to figure out how everything works in relation to each other - I need more than 7 days.

Sorry to those of you who feel a lot of people are whining about this (yes I am whining, complaining, whatever you want to call it), but this is a discussion forum, I am just trying to help others make a decision on a product, and give an opinion. Too many people get caught up in the hype of a product only to be let down. It's happened to me on several hyped up pedals on this forum. If it's working for you, then great - and clips cannot tell me everything I need to know about anything. How I play my gear will differ from how someone else is playing their's.

[homerayvaughan]

I haven't noticed the pedal being that flabby. How many dumbles have you compared your pedal to?

For that matter, how many people thought the sound clips made before the pedals were sold sounded 'flabby'?

try this - plug in a strat, flip to the neck pickup, and play a chord on the e and a strings - with the rock switch up on the lead channel. You cannot dial out this flab. If this sounds tight and punchy to you, your perception of tone is much different than mine. Most of the clips are based on single note lines, it is not as apparent with single notes, but it is there. The one clip that I found that had any chords played distorted were all bridge pickup.

[stratotone]

try this - plug in a strat, flip to the neck pickup, and play a chord on the e and a strings - with the rock switch up on the lead channel. You cannot dial out this flab. If this sounds tight and punchy to you, your perception of tone is much different than mine. Most of the clips are based on single note lines, it is not as apparent with single notes, but it is there. The one clip that I found that had any chords played distorted were all bridge pickup.

Interesting, I'll try that. Is it only on the rock setting? I haven't played any dumbles personally, so I don't know if they are supposed to be tight and punchy on the rock setting on the lead channel.

The dumble combos and cabs I've seen on the web and heard of were open backed - I don't think 'tight and punchy' when I think open back cabs with high gain lead channels, but that could just be me.

Pete

[stratotone]

Sorry to those of you who feel a lot of people are whining about this (yes I am whining, complaining, whatever you want to call it), but this is a discussion forum, I am just trying to help others make a decision on a product, and give an opinion. Too many people get caught up in the hype of a product only to be let down. It's happened to me on several hyped up pedals on this forum. If it's working for you, then great - and clips cannot tell me everything I need to know about anything. How I play my gear will differ from how someone else is playing their's.

Very true, and I can understand people mentioning stuff they don't like about gear. It just seems like many people are going on about a 'defect' when one man's 'flabby' could be another man's 'thick' or 'fat'. The way some people are talking about this, you'd think the pedal cuts out, or the switches don't work.

Wow, this strat cuts! Another guy - no, it's brittle sounding.

Wow, this strat has a thick tone. Another guy - no, it sounds too dark.

Etc...

Pete

[arnie65]

It's one thing to post your opinion and feelings on Robbie's pedal weather your satisfied with it or not, but it's a totally different thing to accuse the guy of dubious business practices or cheating people out of repairs for a pedal the was not and it's not defective! I don't see people whinning about the 3 versions of "Howie" etc., I truly believe that if Harry had not brought up the TLE issue, most people who owned the pedal who have never noticed, Harry wanted a tighter low end and that's his preference, but not a defect on the Ethos. Honestly, there's only 3 pedals I know you can buy new, use them for 3 months, and then sell them for the same price you bought them or even make a profit selling them, the Ethos is one of them!! I don't believe anyone is loosing any money, please!!! :nono

[Loni Specter]

I have #10. I like it just the way it is.

[thelionsden]

OK, I just got mine back today and plugged it in to my Two Rock Custom clean channel with a relatively quiet, lifeless sound dialed in. Just for reference, I own a very high quality Ayan 100 watt D Replica. My recommendation? Get over any hard feelings as quickly as possible, let all this foolish talk go and send your pedal in ASAp. IMO it is worth every penny of the additional monies and more. Dialed in a fat sparkling clean followed by a fat singing lead tone. This pedal is very versatile with many features and eq and great tones and footwitching. Even the Dumble doesn't have brite switch on clean and lead, you are stuck with it for both if you turn it on. Same with Rock/Jazz. Modern/Vintage on each channel none on dumble. Direct spkr simulated out which works well. Features aside and more importantly, the tones are happening. I mean c'mon, people are paying $300 for eternities and pale green comps, 450 for Klons. This is much more IMO.

(BTW I bought an older two knob PGC a while back, granted it was used, but it was so brite it was basically unusable. Maybe it was broke? It was gooped as I recall though so unfixable even if it was. I know they were changed after that. Guess the recall notice from BJF got lost in the mail?) :rotflmao

Dennis

[DonneR]

(BTW I bought an older two knob PGC a while back, granted it was used, but it was so brite it was basically unusable. Maybe it was broke? It was gooped as I recall though so unfixable even if it was. I know they were changed after that. Guess the recall notice from BJF got lost in the mail?) :rotflmao

Dennis
Nope, I believe all of the two knobber PGC have been updated (for free - including shipping ;)) do you still have it ? Perhaps this should be a PM or Email if you like....

[thelionsden]

Nope, I believe all of the two knobber PGC have been updated (for free - including shipping ;)) do you still have it ? Perhaps this should be a PM or Email if you like....

Well thats cool but unfortunately I sold it cheap to a guy on here. If I can remember who it was I'll let him know.

Thanks

Dennis

[homerayvaughan]

It's kind of sad to see people crying the blues about something like this, I've been playing and using pedals since the late 70's and I can tell you that all pedals have "flaws" or weakneses, some people love them with them and some people don't (this is also subjective) The loose low end was just a weakness or flaw of the Ethos, not a manufacturers defect like some are stating. It was only after 2 people complaint, that everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Robbie was nice enough to address this and offer a mod for those who like a "tight low end" on their sound, not every one does!!! It's not a defect!!! that's why there's a Classic model and a TLE model. One thing you won't find is a shortage of players wanting to buy a used Ethos for the price of a new or more, so you're not loosing any money.
Sorry, for my hard earned $ - and a $400 pedal, I do not expect flaws or weakneses. I don't think anyone's calling it a defect, I am not calling it a defect - it is a design problem - which I accept, but my point is - and it is my opinion, that having to pony up even more to get the TLE is weak. Yeah, one man's "flabby and loose" is another's "fat" - it is subjective. And no, that is NOT why there is a "classic" and a "TLE" - people, obviously more than 2 have noticed this problem so it was addressed - great for all new purchasers of this pedal, not so great for the early birds who got in line first.

I don't want to have to pay more than you do to get the same thing. I can't make it any more clear than that. Let's use the car analogy again - I got in and by a car for $15,000 new. You go in a week later and they are offering an improvement on the original for the same price. I go back to the dealer and they tell me I can get the improvement as well, it's just going to cost me an extra $2250. Are you starting to see my point? I am not accusing anyone of a dubious business practice, just maybe making a bad business choice, especially if you want repeat business.

I know Robbie reads this thread. He hasn't tried to reach me, and I have not tried to reach him, as I know what his policy is on his website. I could ask for a refund - less my restocking fee and return shipping, I'm sure he'd oblige. Or I could sell mine, and get in line for another one, but I am so soured at this point I don't care what the hell the thing sounds like. Just a disatisfied customer.

[homerayvaughan]

Interesting, I'll try that. Is it only on the rock setting? I haven't played any dumbles personally, so I don't know if they are supposed to be tight and punchy on the rock setting on the lead channel.

The dumble combos and cabs I've seen on the web and heard of were open backed - I don't think 'tight and punchy' when I think open back cabs with high gain lead channels, but that could just be me.

Pete
Yes, on the rock setting. The jazz setting is less aggressive and has less bass, so it is not as noticeable.

As for tight and punchy with an openback cab goes, I don't think a Dumble is classified as high gain - at least not nowadays. I use a super reverb and a deluxe reverb most of the time, and I have no problems getting "tight and punchy" using them with any of my other OD's.

[homerayvaughan]

It just seems like many people are going on about a 'defect' when one man's 'flabby' could be another man's 'thick' or 'fat'. The way some people are talking about this, you'd think the pedal cuts out, or the switches don't work.

Pete
It is not a defect - it's a design flaw. I think that is the only thing that I am saying is wrong with the pedal. And yes, tone is subjective, so I am sure some are fine with them as is, but if he's gone so far as to offer this mod, he knows there is an issue with the design, and I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that at least 90% or more of new orders are for the TLE version.
Notice I am steering clear of your sarcasm.:)

[DonneR]

ok sorry apparantly there is at least one flabby bottom Dumble...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw&feature=related

[stratotone]

Yes, on the rock setting. The jazz setting is less aggressive and has less bass, so it is not as noticeable.

As for tight and punchy with an openback cab goes, I don't think a Dumble is classified as high gain - at least not nowadays. I use a super reverb and a deluxe reverb most of the time, and I have no problems getting "tight and punchy" using them with any of my other OD's.

http://blueguitar.org/new/misc/gp_interview_HAD_09-85.pdf

Dumble states his circuit has a signal gain capability of up to one million in the linear region. Sounds high gain to me. Hell, I've heard stock marshalls that weren't 'high gain' that were fartier than the pedal is. To me the 'loose bottom' sounds like a fender that is cranked and the power tubes are starting to get hammered pretty hard.

Anyways, to get back to guitar playing, here's a clip of my tonally challenged non TLE Ethos pedal. I did it one pass/first take, which is why there's a huge clam in the middle. It's been a long day. :) This was recorded by using the direct out to my craptacular stock soundcard on my PC with an equally crappy radio shack cable that cuts out if I move it at all. I did add reverb after the recording, but that was it - no EQ or other chicanery involved, other than the fade in/out. I'm very happy with my Ethos, and can't wait to try it in front of an amp at my new year's gig.

http://members.cox.net/vhpete/Petethos.mp3

Pete

[thelionsden]

Sorry, for my hard earned $ - and a $400 pedal, I do not expect flaws or weakneses. I don't think anyone's calling it a defect, I am not calling it a defect - it is a design problem - which I accept, but my point is - and it is my opinion, that having to pony up even more to get the TLE is weak. Yeah, one man's "flabby and loose" is another's "fat" - it is subjective. And no, that is NOT why there is a "classic" and a "TLE" - people, obviously more than 2 have noticed this problem so it was addressed - great for all new purchasers of this pedal, not so great for the early birds who got in line first.

I don't want to have to pay more than you do to get the same thing. I can't make it any more clear than that. Let's use the car analogy again - I got in and by a car for $15,000 new. You go in a week later and they are offering an improvement on the original for the same price. I go back to the dealer and they tell me I can get the improvement as well, it's just going to cost me an extra $2250. Are you starting to see my point? I am not accusing anyone of a dubious business practice, just maybe making a bad business choice, especially if you want repeat business.

I know Robbie reads this thread. He hasn't tried to reach me, and I have not tried to reach him, as I know what his policy is on his website. I could ask for a refund - less my restocking fee and return shipping, I'm sure he'd oblige. Or I could sell mine, and get in line for another one, but I am so soured at this point I don't care what the hell the thing sounds like. Just a disatisfied customer.

OK Homer, my OCD requires that I try this one last time. :D My only motivation is that I feel like you are depriving yourself of something you would probably really like to make a stand on the way you feel about this issue.

I have a great Dumble replica amp and believe me, I can dial in all kinds of unpleasing tones with it. But I can milk good ones out of it too. I think it is more an issue of color, not flaw. Let's use your car analogy.

A manufacturer proposes a new model and asks people what they think about such a model. The consensus is that it would be well recieved so the manufacturer moves toward production. It is greatly anticipated for its many features. People test drive it and the reports are good. Experts drive it and give it kudos. Some people get on a list to be the first to recieve this highly touted vehicle. They start to ship. In this case the car is only offered in the color black but nobody notices or cares. After it is out for a while and it is obvious that the car can do what a car does, drive in an acceptable manner. Some people realize tho that the color black causes the dirt to show up on it very easily. They mention to the manufacturer that if it was offered in white, it would hide the dirt better. It never occurred to them before but they see the value in the idea so they agree to do this in the hopes of pleasing more customers and start to offer the car in white as well. Some of the early purchasers now see the value of the white one and wish they had it. Maybe it is even obvious that the white is clearly better. Should the manufacturer repaint their cars free? Even if they did, do you think they would/ should pay for the gas to get the car to the paint shop? (Shipping) They could tell the first people that it is too bad but there is just no way to change it at this point. Or they could come up with a method to give them what they want without making any money on it, just supplies and labor. If it was a large number of these they could end up spending all their time changing old models at no profit to them, instead of building new ones at a profit, but in the interest of customer satisfaction they take that hit, in the hopes of pleasing the first customers who are clamoring for the newer color. All they ask of the customer is to give a little as well, a little compromise so it can be win/win. Some customers insist on no compromise.

I am very sensitive to these things as a consumer and at times I feel justified in being uncompromising about a certain principle and my squeaking wheel usually gets the grease in these situations. But really, objectively, I strongly believe that it is not justified in this case. It would not be a winner in court, I am almost sure, even if you threw unlimited resources at the case. If anyone is justified in being uncompromising here it is Robbie, but he is not. He is giving a bit to offer the change. IMO you got what you paid for and maybe you didn't like that "color" after spending some time with it just like happens with so many other pedals and stuff we buy. In those cases we just move it on to the next guy because there are no other options. In this case tho, we have an option and for just a little more we might end up with what we always wanted. I mean, I think you are close to him, you could probably drive there and save the shipping, then its down to the 23 bux.

I tried mine yesterday....might be a bit of a honeymoon, cause I tried it through an amp I had not tried it through before (K&M Custom) with an altec 417 speaker I just got. It might have been great before the mod with these things I don't know. But I know it is great with them now. Made a dull clean sound on the 2 rock very close to my replica clean and lead with actually a more musical clean. I turned it off and compared it to the Customs lead channel. No comparison this Custom with this Ethos in it on overdrive is much better than the Custom lead channel. Much more open and less constricted. Turns out I think I really DO like white a lot better than black...and I am happy I had the chance to get the new paint job so cheep.... YMMV ;)

Blessings

Dennis

[HarryJ]

First off,


Now, If I could just play like Harry...If only I could get THAT for 50 bucks! :RoCkIn

Dennis

Thx for the kind words Dennis :-)

Then the Ethos Harry J Sig model would come out and you'd have to try to sell your old one to get the new model. :)
Dennis

I also made a few other suggestions to Robbie regarding the boost and Treble cut

__________________________________________________ __________


Second:

ok sorry apparantly there is at least one flabby bottom Dumble...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw&feature=related

DonneR, OUCH!
__________________________________________________ _________

Third:


http://members.cox.net/vhpete/Petethos.mp3

Pete

Pete,
Damn nice playing man!
And a killin'tone IMHO

__________________________________________________ __________

Regarding the mod/fix, (how ever you choose to think of it).
I found that prior to the mod, I was able to get a really nice, fat tone on the bridge pup, but if I used the neck pup with that setting, it would sound pretty horrid, and fuzzy. This mod allows me to dial in that same thicker tone and be able to use the neck position.
It also seems to create a rounder, smoother tone in all registers, not just the low strings albeit, it is far more obvious there.

It is a real shame that so many folks are upset. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why they are.

Robbie absolutely excels at electronics, anyone who has opened their unit can easily tell. It is among the cleanest work I have ever seen, up there with Hiwatt amps IMHO.

Perhaps the business aspects could have been handled differently. I'm guessing this may all be pretty new to Robbie. Personally, I think the man deserves a major break.

I mean no disrespect to whoever Robbie used for beta testers, but this all could have been avoided. If you look in the earlier posts you will see that my bud, Scott Lerner offered his extremely finely tuned ears as a tester, and actually had offered his services quite a bit earlier than that from what I understand.

IMHO, the original Ethos was a good pedal, it is now a far more versatile pedal without question.

For the hell of it and since I have a switch that engages this mod , I thought I would record another short clip that demos it. By the way, I NEVER disengage it normally. I think this clip will make it obvious as to why I don't.

Settings:

Gain 2:00
Treble 3:00
Middle 4:00
Bass 4:00
Presence 4:00
Volume 1:00
Brite off
Classic
Rock
GAC off HC 1:00

Starts with the mod off
I deliberately dialed up a heavier tone that was previously unusable IMHO to show how the TLE could make it more usable. Also kept it very simple

http://www.harryj.net/mix.mp3

Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net)

[homerayvaughan]

http://blueguitar.org/new/misc/gp_interview_HAD_09-85.pdf

Dumble states his circuit has a signal gain capability of up to one million in the linear region. Sounds high gain to me. Hell, I've heard stock marshalls that weren't 'high gain' that were fartier than the pedal is. To me the 'loose bottom' sounds like a fender that is cranked and the power tubes are starting to get hammered pretty hard.

Anyways, to get back to guitar playing, here's a clip of my tonally challenged non TLE Ethos pedal. I did it one pass/first take, which is why there's a huge clam in the middle. It's been a long day. :) This was recorded by using the direct out to my craptacular stock soundcard on my PC with an equally crappy radio shack cable that cuts out if I move it at all. I did add reverb after the recording, but that was it - no EQ or other chicanery involved, other than the fade in/out. I'm very happy with my Ethos, and can't wait to try it in front of an amp at my new year's gig.

http://members.cox.net/vhpete/Petethos.mp3

Pete
Nice playing, albeit a bit heavy on the 'verb.

The tone in question is not apparent in your clip, maybe it's the reverb, or you avoided the lower registers a bit, but I'm sure you can here it in Harry's clip. The mod does seem to help a bit - but I never said it didn't.

[dorianadams]

Yeah I dont know if 'defect' is the right word....

But being as the name/intent of the pedal was to nail the Dumble sound, feel and function and I doubt you would find many actual Dumbles with flabby bottoms perhaps its release was 'premature' :AOK
I gotta say that all the Dumble OD s I have heard have a loose woolly bottom. SSS on the other hand. The flabby bottom might be one of the reasons why guys like Ford ,Carlton, Landreth, Lindley et all do not spend a lot of time soloing on the lower strings( pretty much avoiding the bottom octave actually) and they usually run the Dumble in conjunction with at least one other amp.SRV did not like the OD at all. SSS all the way.His trademark shuffle would have not worked well at all with the with the bottom end response of the OD

[Robbie]

Hi Everybody,

I have been working on some new clips that were just ready to go out, when a new Tone spotter came in the mail. I'm going to check it out this next week then do some posting at www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com). Thanks for your patience and all the great emails!

Robbie

[mcuguitar]

I think Robbie is really cool to do the mod for $23.00. That really is all he can do. You lays your money down, and the cards are dealt. To buy a pedal without actually sitting down and trying it, there is a risk involved. But the fact of the matter is, this guy CARES about his product, cares about what his customers think, and it sounds like he's charging a reasonable amount to address customer complaints. Try to petition the big amplifier makers to "tighten up the low end" on their newest channel switching amp that you bought on the net, and see how far it gets you. Peace, Jon.

[mj07]

Is the third batch out yet?

[Cheebatone]

After a few of months of ownership now (and the 'honeymoon period' being well and truly over) I'd just like to say - The Ethos TLE is an absolute, stone cold, 24 carat keeper ...to the extent that I've already expressed my wish to be buried with it.

Thanks for all the hard work Robbie, IMHO it's paid-off big time.

:BEER

[Reverb]

First off,



Thx for the kind words Dennis :-)



I also made a few other suggestions to Robbie regarding the boost and Treble cut

__________________________________________________ __________


Second:



DonneR, OUCH!
__________________________________________________ _________

Third:


Pete,
Damn nice playing man!
And a killin'tone IMHO

__________________________________________________ __________

Regarding the mod/fix, (how ever you choose to think of it).
I found that prior to the mod, I was able to get a really nice, fat tone on the bridge pup, but if I used the neck pup with that setting, it would sound pretty horrid, and fuzzy. This mod allows me to dial in that same thicker tone and be able to use the neck position.
It also seems to create a rounder, smoother tone in all registers, not just the low strings albeit, it is far more obvious there.

It is a real shame that so many folks are upset. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why they are.

Robbie absolutely excels at electronics, anyone who has opened their unit can easily tell. It is among the cleanest work I have ever seen, up there with Hiwatt amps IMHO.

Perhaps the business aspects could have been handled differently. I'm guessing this may all be pretty new to Robbie. Personally, I think the man deserves a major break.

I mean no disrespect to whoever Robbie used for beta testers, but this all could have been avoided. If you look in the earlier posts you will see that my bud, Scott Lerner offered his extremely finely tuned ears as a tester, and actually had offered his services quite a bit earlier than that from what I understand.

IMHO, the original Ethos was a good pedal, it is now a far more versatile pedal without question.

For the hell of it and since I have a switch that engages this mod , I thought I would record another short clip that demos it. By the way, I NEVER disengage it normally. I think this clip will make it obvious as to why I don't.

Settings:

Gain 2:00
Treble 3:00
Middle 4:00
Bass 4:00
Presence 4:00
Volume 1:00
Brite off
Classic
Rock
GAC off HC 1:00

Starts with the mod off
I deliberately dialed up a heavier tone that was previously unusable IMHO to show how the TLE could make it more usable. Also kept it very simple

http://www.harryj.net/mix.mp3

Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net (http://www.harryj.net)


Hi Harry, PM sent

[Droptop]

After a few of months of ownership now (and the 'honeymoon period' being well and truly over) I'd just like to say - The Ethos TLE is an absolute, stone cold, 24 carat keeper ...to the extent that I've already expressed my wish to be buried with it.

Thanks for all the hard work Robbie, IMHO it's paid-off big time.

:BEER

I absolutely love mine. Often times you get a pedal that works well with one guitar or one amp and not so well with others. With the Ethos I am able to dial in good tones for all of my guitars and amps. Good job Robbie!:BEER

[Robbie]

Thanks guys for the very kind feedback ;), I appreciate it. BTW batch 3 boards have just arrived.

Robbie

[bc-cosmo]

Thought I'd chime in here too. Like Cheebatone, I've now had enough time with the Ethos TLE to be past the honeymoon phase. In live situations, I'm finding the more I depend on it, the more I like it. The lead channel cleans up so well with guitar volume that I often just leave it on all the time.

Thanks for a really great pedal, Robbie!

[HarryJ]

I had a request for a clip using the following settings
You can tell when I flip off the TLE as it begins to sound like a fuzz box mostly on the neck pickup IMHO

Test 1 is a strat with Area pickups, test 2 is a strat with Protrack single sized 'buckers
Modded Bassman set very clean
Sennheiser E609, and Ethos direct out hard panned
Added a touch of reverb/delay

http://www.harryj.net/Etest1.mp3
http://www.harryj.net/Etest2.mp3

H




HI Harry I have Ethos #005 which I sent back to Rob for the TLE mod. I had found a setting that I think was a sleeper because when I shared it with RObbie he flipped. Problem is I can no longer compare it since I do not have the switch. WOudl you be willing to record a clip with this seting. I know you will like it.

Gain 2:30 - 3pm
Brite (Up)
Classic (Down)
Jazz (Down)
Treble 9:30
Mid 2:30
Bass 3:30
Pres 9:30
Volume 9:30 - 10am

THis was my only setting before the TLE mod as it killed all the other ROck settings and had NO Fizziness. It has a throaty sound.

Can you record something both ways for me with and without the TLE mod? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rick

[fyrwyr]

sounds good to me!

[Rod]

PM sent....

[Robbie]

Hi Everybody,

I just added some new TLE sound clips to www.customtonesinc.com (http://www.customtonesinc.com).

The first clip uses a strat and is SRV influenced. It covers all territory on the fret board including some wah-wah action.

The second clip uses the Ethos as a preamp going into a solid state power amp. It show the Ethos clean and OD channels. The OD tone was influenced from LC tone from back in the 80's.

If you have any comments or questions, please send them to rob@customtonesinc.com.

Thanks!

Robbie

[DonneR]

Just got my TLE Ethos ( which I was in line for )
still have the 'classic' I got out of the emporium a while back...

so i did a little vid comparing the two at Identical knob settings and panned left and right

the one that goes to distortion first is the TLE......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3UDnMjSN4


and Im also glad the new ones have frosted LEDs so you can see better from angles.....

only change i would still make would be moving the AC plug to either side as it takes up a fair amount of room on top by itslef....... but it sounds wonderful.

[Tonewolf]

Thank you Donner. Nice demo! I'm still glad I bought mine. It's my most used pedal.

[therealting]

Just paid for my TLE. I have to admit I was wondering whether I should buy one as I don't play much electric guitar anymore... but I figure that with everyone loving theirs so much, I may be able to sell several pedals if it meets my needs... and it may make me fall in love with playing electric again.

[DonneR]

Thank you Donner. Nice demo! I'm still glad I bought mine. It's my most used pedal.

ah your welcome and thanks ...


I think the difference for me between the two is I really like the Green channels and speaker sim on both.... but with the classic I actually liked other pedals into the green channel better than the Red channel....

but the TLE Red channel especially with the boost engaged is really tasy by itself and keeps up with other topshelfers....:)

[therealting]

So you prefer the TLE overall then? I have to say watching Tomo's demos on Youtube really made me want this pedal. The touch sensitivity and sustain are amazing.

[Cheebatone]

Just paid for my TLE. I have to admit I was wondering whether I should buy one as I don't play much electric guitar anymore... but I figure that with everyone loving theirs so much, I may be able to sell several pedals if it meets my needs... and it may make me fall in love with playing electric again.

If you don't fall in love with the clean channel - sell your guitars.

[Fishin'Musician]

Just got my notice that my number is up.
$24.95 for shipping? WOW!

[therealting]

If you don't fall in love with the clean channel - sell your guitars.

I'm a hoarder. :)

Which channel will I get that wonderful edge-of-breakup tone on?

[Rod]

Just got my notice that my number is up.
$24.95 for shipping? WOW!
That's ridiculous....Shipping for that item USPO Priority anywhere in the US is $8.00 or less

[mykljpao]

My ethos is coming! My ethos is coming! I am somebody! (to paraphrase Steve Martin, lol) Thanks Rob, I appreciate the effort to get it to me before I leave for vaca. I'll post some impressions asap as I'll be able to play it through / compare it to several Fuchs and Two Rock amps plus a D'Lite. Waiting with bated breath..................

[YOGA64]

Hi, for anybody who might be iterested, here are some samples I've recorded using my ETHOS TLE OVERDRIVE:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=351954

Really a GREAT pedal! :D

[Droptop]

Best overdrive around.

[zoooombiex]

I haven't read through all this thread, so maybe someone commented on this before. But I got an Ethos a little while ago (i think non-TLE, but not sure) and I noticed that it works very well with amps with a slight mid-scoop (e.g., UG30). but when paired with amps that already have heavy mids it wasn't as great. Yes, you can dial down the mids on the pedal and get closer, but it always seems like there's something funny going on when I play this through my mid-heavy amps (two-rocks, overbuilt...).

That said, it's a great sounding pedal.

[therealting]

It's here!!! Just got home, raring to plug in and try her...

[Fineblend]

One: Check if there is an M1 near the input jacks that will indicate the mod was applied or not

Two: did you try the amp compensation switch for these mid heavy amps, this removes the frequency curve to match that of an amps, and you would normally leave it on for power amps, or amps with no preamp


hope this helps!

[therealting]

It's here!!! Just got home, raring to plug in and try her...

Ok, here I am almost two and a half hours later. I used the stock settings and started off in the clean channel, tweaked the Hi-Cut and was blown away. After about ten minutes I switched over to the OD channel and was blown away. Then I turned on the boost and stayed there for about two hours. Practically every sound I wanted was there with just a turn of the volume, tone or EXG control knobs on my EMG-equipped Strat. The touch-sensitivity and dynamics are exactly what I've been looking for all these years.

I'm getting on the list for a second one right now!

[journo]

Hi,

I have just finished recording a new tune with my Ethos and have posted it (and the backing track) in the Sound Clip Section.

You can find it here:
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=362093

It's so good to use the Ethos as the dynamics really lets you "play" the pedal.
Especially using a volume pedal in front of it (an old LC trick).

I hope you enjoy it.

Cheers,

Mats N

[Robbie]

Hi Mats,

The playing is great! Would you mind posting your Ethos settings and set-up? It has a real LC feel to it.

Thanks!

Robbie

[journo]

Hi Mats,

The playing is great! Would you mind posting your Ethos settings and set-up? It has a real LC feel to it.

Thanks!

Robbie

Hi,

As the old Avis slogan says "We aim to please". Here they are (clock settings):
Gain: 2
S1: off
S2: Classic
S3: Rock
Treble 12
Middle: 10
Bass: Slightly more than 10
Pres: 12
Vol: 3


Edwards SA-118 MIJ 335 clone -> Ethos -> Boss GS-10 -> tc Konnekt 24D soundcard. Would probably work equally well without the GS-10 but I had it set up that way and I was too lazy to change it.

Cheers,

Mats N

[DiazDude]

Just got on the list. Really looking forward to seeing how it does recording direct. Now the hard part...the waiting. Hey..good idea for a song!! :RoCkIn

[journo]

Hi,

Just wanted to let you know that I just posted a new tune showcasing the Ethos' three modes. First clean, then OD and finally the OD channel with boost.

Signal chain is Tyler SE HD -> Ethos -> soundcard. This is the first time I have recorded the Ethos with single coils and I'm happy with it. I'm sure it will get better and better as I learn how to set the controls for single coils.

You can find the clip here:
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=364288

See you there!

Cheers,

Mats N

[Fineblend]

Could the speaker sim output double as a line out to another amplifier?

and any word on the single channel version as well?

[jzucker]

Just wanted to chime in that my Ethos TLE rules. If you haven't already done so, check out the ethos demos on my website:

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos.wmv

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos2.wmv

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos%20semi%20clean.mp3

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos.wmv

[therealting]

and any word on the single channel version as well?

Seriously, the two channels are very much worth it.
I bought it for the OD, but I really really love the clean channel.

[jzucker]

I do think he should release 2 single channel pedals (one clean and one od).

I would simplify them and either leave off the switches or put them in a dip switch configuration inside and make them 4 knobs. Vol, treb, bass, gain.

That would appeal to a certain contingent of folks who think the current pedal is too busy.

[Cheebatone]

I bought it for the OD, but I really really love the clean channel.

This is my experience exactly. I bought the Ethos to help me get nearer 'that' OD tone, but it's the clean channel that not only has me coming back to this pedal everytime I plug the guitar in, I'm utterly convinced that it's actually encouraging me to play guitar more often. If that's not a recommendation, I don't know what is...

[theHoss]

I am in total agreement with you. The clean channel is wonderful and unique. I haven't been able to find it in any other pedal. It really seems like there is a 'breath' like quality to the feel.... The pedal takes the note, depending no how intensely you play it, and then finally pushes back. Sag, Bloom, I don't know. I should look at the TGP guide to 'Words to describe tone' thread. In addition to its' feel, the eq is very capable. It seems to make my clean tone livelier I guess. The clean side is worth the price of admission.

[jzucker]

This one with the lead channel, mild gain, no boost on. Settings and signal chain in the video

hirez: http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos.html
lorez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPBlqT6r0A&fmt=18

[Tomo]

Seriously, the two channels are very much worth it.
I bought it for the OD, but I really really love the clean channel.

I really liked the clean CH too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEtjJIH-ucE

Od sound great!

Tomo

[DiazDude]

I really liked the clean CH too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEtjJIH-ucE

Od sound great!

Tomo

I'm glad you posted the Ethos clips Tomo!! Now I wish I'd ordered it sooner.
Do you have the original or the TLE version?

[Tomo]

I'm glad you posted the Ethos clips Tomo!! Now I wish I'd ordered it sooner.
Do you have the original or the TLE version?

Thanks. I am enjoying my original Ethos. Very very tasty!
I love original KFC too!

Tomo

[mykljpao]

Tomo....now I know why I can't get my ethos to sound like that......you got the one with ALL the right notes in it!! I'm guessing that what you played is no more than a warmup exercise for you but damn is that hip.
What guitar are you using? I don't recognize the headstock.
BTW: the before and after really shows off how the ethos clean channel enhances even the renowned vintage fender cleans. Always enlightening listening to you play.

[DonneR]

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj112/DonnerBox/ECuthos.jpg
:AOK

[therealting]

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj112/DonnerBox/ECuthos.jpg
:AOK

AWESOME!

[MightyGuru]

Played the Ethos at a gig last night after not gigging with it for month....wtf was I thinking? Best OD pedal ever, imnsho.

It just begs you to dig in.

I've been using it two ways;

Dirt channel of my amp:Clean channel on...all the time and then just riding the guitar volume knob.

Clean Channel of my amp: Clean channel on all the time and hitting the OD channel for more dirt/solos. I combine the Ethos with my Addrock Hism Scism (Si fuzz face type that KILLS) sometimes too...it's insane and delicious.

I should probably list my settings but I'm at work and can't think of them atm.

[Boleary2]

Through my ceriatone dc30 clone and wow!! I was a wondering how this would interface with this amp and was a bit disappointed at first...but then I saw the GAC knob and adjusted it and BAM! It reaaaly made it sound great!!! I am happy with the purchase and don't see any reason to pursue the TLE mod. I was previously running a MI Tube Zone and Fulltone FD2 mosfet, which neither seemed to really like either channel of the dc-30, but this pedal works like a charm and really has some amazing subtleties that I could not get out of any other pedal I have run through the amp. Way to go Robbie! I am glad I took a chance!!!

[Robbie]

Through my ceriatone dc30 clone and wow!! I was a wondering how this would interface with this amp and was a bit disappointed at first...but then I saw the GAC knob and adjusted it and BAM! It reaaaly made it sound great!!! I am happy with the purchase and don't see any reason to pursue the TLE mod. I was previously running a MI Tube Zone and Fulltone FD2 mosfet, which neither seemed to really like either channel of the dc-30, but this pedal works like a charm and really has some amazing subtleties that I could not get out of any other pedal I have run through the amp. Way to go Robbie! I am glad I took a chance!!!

Thanks Boleary2! I appreciate the feedback. If anybody has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at rob@customtonesinc.com.

Thanks again and Take Care,

Robbie

[Tomo]

Tomo....now I know why I can't get my ethos to sound like that......you got the one with ALL the right notes in it!! I'm guessing that what you played is no more than a warmup exercise for you but damn is that hip.
What guitar are you using? I don't recognize the headstock.
BTW: the before and after really shows off how the ethos clean channel enhances even the renowned vintage fender cleans. Always enlightening listening to you play.

I don't warm up anymore... just play music! Blues! That was Combat guiar from Japan. Now my son is using it! I don't let my sons use my ethos... he got a Rat pedal! Classic! Actually it's important to how to set your Ethos pedal... it's very musical od/clean pedal. Now I see... people in Japan are getting their ethos... I see more people at Berklee.. are using Ethos.. or waiting...

Tomo