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Troubleman
03-06-2007, 09:52 AM
I finally bit the bullet and bought a 4x10 Marshall cabinet (thanks YUP!!!!) – Model 1965B, straight front. It is very bad-back friendly and pops into the trunk of almost any car with ease. I've this approach/avoidance to them, and to be honest I don’t know why. Fear that maybe this was a “toy” cabinet? I dunno… My Budda Twinmaster combo (the killer) has 4x10s, my favorite amp before that was a particularly gnarly 1968 Fender Super Reverb (which I wish I hadn’t sold) with 4x10s. I don’t know what the hang-up was: 4x10s is my sound.

I got home from work and spirited the cab down to my “dungeon” in the basement. I pretty much tore the box open, positioned the cabinet, and plugged in my Budda Super Drive 45. May as well go for the throat – that’s what I’m gonna gig with. Either it works with that head or it’s a bust. Well… it worked quite well. The Super Drive head is a full-sized one; it is a bit wider than the 4x10 cab, but not too much so. It’ll sit there atop the 1965B without a problem during gigs. The cab is a bit bassier than I thought it’d be. Even with a fairly bright amp like the Super Drive 45, it had plenty of bottom-end. I grabbed my current favorite mutt-Strat: an Eric Johnson Signature Model with an early (one of the first ones) Stevie Ray Vaughan signature model neck. After selecting the clean channel fiddling with the EQ and gain controls I found a balance I liked – nice chime and ring, with a decent amount of punch. Time to see what it could do…. As it turns out – plenty. It does what a closed-back Marshall cab should do. It can get amazingly loud for such a small cabinet, and it didn’t rattle or get boxy. Even with enough volume to cause the pant legs of my slacks to move in a sound-wave, it hung in there. It’s like a 4x12 cab that’s been soaked in hot water – it shrank, but it still delivers the goods. I got great steely Strat tones with the guitar’s volume rolled back, and a great slightly-dirty grind with the guitar’s volume up full. Changing to the SD45’s dirty channel elicited smiles aplenty. That amp has a fierce attack, and the cab stayed right with it, delivering a very 4x12 Marshall cab-like response, but at a reduced volume. This thing is made for smaller clubs! I think my band mates will be really, really pleased to see it. I plugged in a Full Drive 2 (blue one with 3-position switch) and played around for awhile, then switched to a Fulltone OCD (ver2). The SD45/Marshall 1965B combination with a Strat seems to like the OCD. There was no hint of fizziness or buzziness in the tone at all, even with the gain fully up and the “HP” engaged. COOL!!!
Next up, I switched to a Fuchs Blackjack 21 head and plugged in the EJ/SRV Strat. After finding the right EQ settings (treble and bass up, mids pulled back about 30%), I turned the BJ21’s volume knob up to about 7 or 8 and was greeted with great grind and crunch – very warm and organic sounding, and surprisingly large from such a small cabinet. I added the Fulldrive 2 and resumed shenanigans: very nice sound. I’m gonna really dig this rig in very small rooms and at rehearsal – lots of bark and snap with the 3-position switch in the middle position, more definition in position one, and more compression and sing in position three. Just for grins I got my 1961 Strat out of its case and plugged it in. Whoooo Baby!!! Instant SRV with the FD2 or “Blues Deluxe-esque” Joe Bonamassa-in-a-box with the OCD. Unfortunately I had to shut everything down after about 10 mins of this combination. It was 10PM (bedtime for my kids), and the Mrs. Was standing in the doorway tapping her foot…

I can’t wait to get home to play with the rig tonight - there are more guitars to run through it, and it hasn't seen my full pedal board yet. I gotta find something to get clips recorded (hopin’ the birthday bunny brings me a Zoom H4 later this month); I'll post 'em as soon as I can.... If I can stop playing and grinnin' like and idiot long enough to record.:D

Why did I hesitate pulling the trigger on a little Marshall 4x10 cab for so long? This thing has cajones….:AOK


Life is good...:BEER

Peace,

jb

dewman
03-06-2007, 11:37 AM
Did the cab have original speakers? Is the Budda a bright amp-I haven't heard one yet?

I like the portability factor and price of these cabs. I might pick one up soon after I nail which 4x12 I want..

Troubleman
03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Did the cab have original speakers? Is the Budda a bright amp-I haven't heard one yet?

I like the portability factor and price of these cabs. I might pick one up soon after I nail which 4x12 I want..

Stock speakers, and they rock!
The Budda SuperDrive 45 is a bright amp; not to be confused with the Super Drive 30, which is actually kinda dark-sounding (in a good way).

jb

dewman
03-06-2007, 01:34 PM
yeah I heard these cabs match well with bright amps...Any comments on how loud or effcient the speakers are in this cab. How does it compare volume wise with a 2x12 or 4x12 of a known speaker like a greenbac or vintage 30? enjoy man- I'll get one once I get my 4x12!

JoeP
03-06-2007, 02:50 PM
I have a 1965B loaded with Dr Z 10'' speakers, and it KILLS with the Z amp. But, the Z speakers, don't allow it to be ''bad back friendly"........

rastaman
03-06-2007, 03:10 PM
I have the A "slant" cab. They are GREAT cabs. I've been using a 2061X through it and the speakers are WELL broken in. I'm thinking about replacing the speakers w/ some Vintage 10's or just selling it because I have an OS Bogner 2x12. What I'm getting at is I have a dark amp into a dark cab. It's such a light weight cool cab though. It's going to be hard to part with it. As bright as I've heard Buddas are, I'll bet they go great together.

thepimpdaddy
03-06-2007, 03:40 PM
You guys keep talking like this, and we won't be able to afford any more of those things (1965a here, Celestion G10L-35 x 4) :)

Hush yo moufs . . .

rastaman
03-06-2007, 03:43 PM
Has anyone tried the new G10 Vintage speakers in these cabs?

http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/detail.asp?ID=31

TheGuildedAge
03-06-2007, 04:50 PM
I bought and returned mine in the same day, go figure. My Zinky 2x12 gets the job done.

rastaman
03-06-2007, 05:15 PM
You bought and returned your what?? Speakers? and/or Cab?

Jube2550
03-06-2007, 06:00 PM
Another fan of the 1965 cabs here. I don't think the now defunct Rhythm City music store in Atlanta could give them away back in the 80s. When I first heard and saw them my ears told me better and this is from a 4 x 12 fan.

dewman
03-06-2007, 09:28 PM
Nice info- Vintage 10s are nice speakers, but you really have to crank them to get the best out of them.

1959burst
03-06-2007, 09:58 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/gawddoggit/2006_09260001.jpg70's vintage full size marshall cab but a 4x10 with 15 watt celestions! yup a 60 watt cab...............it's sound is best described as thunderous.......amazing!:RoCkIn

fr8_trane
03-06-2007, 10:42 PM
I've got a 1965b that I have used with my SF bassman head for years. Great rig but its still too much to lug for me and I prefer open back cabs onstage because they are less directional and allow me to hear myself better. Anyway I think I'm going to sell the 4x10. What's the going rate?

sesroh
03-07-2007, 12:34 AM
ah i totally miss my 1965A cabinet. it sounded absolutely excellent. id say it sounded just as good(but different) as my orange cabinet. i really want to find another marshall 1965A or B. :(

rastaman
03-07-2007, 04:07 AM
Nice info- Vintage 10s are nice speakers, but you really have to crank them to get the best out of them.

I can handle that.... :RoCkIn

Sparky6string
03-07-2007, 05:06 AM
I agree- what a great cab! I picked mine up in a trade and was planning on getting a 2x12 after but I don't feel the need now. Light, powerful and excellent sounding- the 1965b is perfect for me. :RoCkIn

TheGuildedAge
03-07-2007, 07:41 AM
I bought a 4x10 marshall cab, the angled one. It sounded ok, but my Zinky 2x12 sounded better to me, so I returned the marshall.

The way people rave about them, I thought I scored big time, but it didn't seem worth keeping.

thepimpdaddy
03-07-2007, 08:31 AM
A lot of the mojo in these cabinets is what amp head you're feeding it with. My Traynors have HUGE bottom end that doesn't need 12" speakers for enhanced bass. The faster reflex of the 10" speakers mates beautifully with a hi-fi amp, great instant response to my playing. 1965a is 140 watt cabinet, plenty of speaker headroom for this amp which also has a goodly amount of clean headroom.

Different strokes for different folks - what speakers does your Zinky 2x12 carry?

dewman
03-07-2007, 09:43 AM
200-350$ loaded with original speakers in good to excellent condition. Average price I've seen has been 250$

I've got a 1965b that I have used with my SF bassman head for years. Great rig but its still too much to lug for me and I prefer open back cabs onstage because they are less directional and allow me to hear myself better. Anyway I think I'm going to sell the 4x10. What's the going rate?

Troubleman
03-07-2007, 10:45 AM
A lot of the mojo in these cabinets is what amp head you're feeding it with. My Traynors have HUGE bottom end that doesn't need 12" speakers for enhanced bass. The faster reflex of the 10" speakers mates beautifully with a hi-fi amp, great instant response to my playing. 1965a is 140 watt cabinet, plenty of speaker headroom for this amp which also has a goodly amount of clean headroom.

Different strokes for different folks - what speakers does your Zinky 2x12 carry?

Definitely agree. The Budda SD45 and Fuchs BJ21 match up well with the 1965B cabinet. I really like the immediacy of notes through it, especially with the SD45, which gets a great distortion without being overly compressed. I love 4x12 cabs, but ya really gotta push 'em to do their thing. Which Dr Z cab are you using - closed back? I really dig the bottom end punch and fast transients of the closed-back 1965B. I have a Two Rock 2x12 cab with Eminence Wizard and Tonespotter 12's - great sounding cabinet, but its open-back, so transients aren't as fast.

Peace,

jb

PUCKBOY99
03-07-2007, 11:08 AM
Why did I hesitate pulling the trigger on a little Marshall 4x10 cab for so long? This thing has cajones….:AOK
BEATS ME.......

But I'm glad ya' finally got one :BEER

I run my '65B w/2 original Celestion G10L-35s & 2 Jensen alnicos.....nice mix, esp. when paired with the 1966A loaded w/a V30-H30 combo :D

Oh BTW....for a different flavor, try making some open back panels for it.

Troubleman
03-07-2007, 06:31 PM
Doooood!
You're a witness. I dunno what my hesitation was. I just couldn't do it, and several times. I'm really happy I (finally) did. Now I may have to go out and get a 1965A as well....

jb

BEATS ME.......

But I'm glad ya' finally got one :BEER

I run my '65B w/2 original Celestion G10L-35s & 2 Jensen alnicos.....nice mix, esp. when paired with the 1966A loaded w/a V30-H30 combo :D

Oh BTW....for a different flavor, try making some open back panels for it.

dewman
03-07-2007, 06:54 PM
Anyone ever try these with a nonMV marshall or Germino (especially Club 40)??

PUCKBOY99
03-08-2007, 05:45 AM
Doooood!
You're a witness. I dunno what my hesitation was. I just couldn't do it, and several times. I'm really happy I (finally) did. Now I may have to go out and get a 1965A as well....

jb
If you get an "A", I ran the "A" as a closed back & bottom open....both with the ceramic/alnico mix.

BIG BIG BIG sound !!!!

Enjoy man & welcome to the club ! :BEER

JimH
03-08-2007, 05:59 AM
I've got one - and use it with my Cornell Plexi 20W. Not too shabby.

JimH
03-08-2007, 08:13 AM
By the way - anyone got castors for theirs? which ones?

PUCKBOY99
03-08-2007, 02:38 PM
Mine has casters....I'm assuming original. The plate screws into the bottom, nothing fancy...they don't pop out.

Troubleman
03-09-2007, 08:16 AM
Mine has casters....I'm assuming original. The plate screws into the bottom, nothing fancy...they don't pop out.

Mine has casters too (gotta re-install them), as you described. I guess they did come that way....
Now I'm thinkin' about a 1965A cabinet - an 8x10 mini-stack...:Devil

GAS doth possess me....

Peace,

jb

Roe
03-09-2007, 09:05 AM
someone should make a marshall style 4x10 and 8x10 cab!

bosstone
04-27-2007, 06:12 PM
I have had Marshall and Hiwatt 4 X 12"s, mostly with green backs and G12-65's. I have switched to a 1965B, 4 X 10". I love them and have no complaints, other than size and weight. In my opinion, the 1965B cabs do just about everything the big cabs do, but on just a slightly smaller scale. It has all the bass I can use and has only 1/3 less cone area. I actually made a plywood baffle with a port the same area as two 10" speaker cutouts would be. It is still way more closed than a 59' Bassman, or Bogner 4 X 10" cab. I thought it was too boomy before and it is just right now. I can't wait to get another one to match it.

circusinthesky
01-27-2013, 12:10 PM
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/images/i/1488/iFF/Frankenstein.jpg

Reanimating this thread from the dead. I have one of the Marshall 1965b cabs, and it does sound quite good with certain amps. However, I do find the mids to be quite sharp, and it does break up a little early for my liking. I was thinking of swapping out two of the four G10L-35s with...well, something else, but I could sure use a few recommendations from the forum.

There's plenty of low end in that cab, and its very mid-aggressive. What would complement/balance out the cab a bit? Maybe smoother mids, later break up. Would it help the break up to use a couple 50 watt speakers instead of the 35s? Can you guys help with some suggestions please.

walterw
01-27-2013, 02:19 PM
interesting, i find my marshall 4x10 (forget the #, but it's a straight cab, 8Ω, with the g10-35s) to have more top and bottom than my 2x12 cab does.

i also opened the back up in the middle, so it's more like a "super reverb cab". opening it made it louder and chimier, with a nice spread on stage, while still having good bottom.

markw1980
01-27-2013, 03:14 PM
I have been using a 1965b cab for a couple of years now, and I love it. Would like to add a 1965a cab for a cute stack for bigger shows.

B Money
01-28-2013, 07:01 AM
I have a 1965A that goes quite well with my Ecstacy 101B. The little 4x10 is real punchy and full. If I could find a sweet deal on a 1965B I would probably get one, just to have the full stack.

Crowbar
01-28-2013, 08:47 AM
I'm holding onto mine even though I've sold my heads!

mrwrang
10-23-2013, 12:05 PM
Sorry to revive an old thread, but..
Found a used 1965b with Celestion Goldbacks for 200$. Are these the same speakers as the g12l-35's, or just some lousy ones?

mjtripper
10-23-2013, 12:32 PM
Sorry to revive an old thread, but..
Found a used 1965b with Celestion Goldbacks for 200$. Are these the same speakers as the g12l-35's, or just some lousy ones?

The g12l-35s clearly state it so I'm guessing they are something else. Since you revived the thread anyway here is the back panel I made for mine which reduced the boominess and pretty much made it my favorite cab. It's 1/2" baltic birch ply with a roughly 18"x13" oval opening and then covered in duratex. I have swapped two of the g12l-35 for 10" greenbacks though.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/10254741953_1951f584ea.jpg

Dr. Tweedbucket
10-23-2013, 02:13 PM
I have a minty A cab and yeah, it's so easy on the back and great sounding to boot! Mine has the stock speakers too. I'm going to have to dig it out again. :)

mrwrang
10-23-2013, 02:15 PM
Know anything about celestion tube 10 (g10e-30)? Found 4 used for 50$! 4 of them in a 1965b powered by a Ceriatone 18w TMB, would that be cool perhaps?

dantahoua
04-16-2014, 08:13 AM
The g12l-35s clearly state it so I'm guessing they are something else. Since you revived the thread anyway here is the back panel I made for mine which reduced the boominess and pretty much made it my favorite cab. It's 1/2" baltic birch ply with a roughly 18"x13" oval opening and then covered in duratex. I have swapped two of the g12l-35 for 10" greenbacks though.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/10254741953_1951f584ea.jpg

I know it's old but what was the benefit in tone to add two Greenback? I'm on the verge of doing that to my 1965B (4 G10L-35). I really love the sound but sometime found it a little bit too dark (I play with a Bogner XTC101B), just miss a little bit of chime...

AA864
04-17-2014, 07:09 AM
I love these cabs...

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m79/rmassey99/Guitar%20Amps/Marshall-FullStack.jpg (http://s101.photobucket.com/user/rmassey99/media/Guitar%20Amps/Marshall-FullStack.jpg.html)

telewacker
04-17-2014, 08:57 AM
Anyone try G10 Greenbacks in these cabs? How do they compare to the G10-35s?

schwa
04-17-2014, 06:44 PM
Anyone try G10 Greenbacks in these cabs? How do they compare to the G10-35s?

I've tried a pair of GB's with the original speakers and they do take a bit of edge away (in a good way). I have not tried 4 of them in the cab, but expect one would gain some mids and lose some highs.

I have a full stack, with the 1966 cab on the bottom. It's a good combo, the 12's in the 1966 adds some things that the 4x10 might lack.

BTW - the amp they built to match these cabs isn't too shabby either.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l87/peetaromicus/Amps/2204S-stackwweb.jpg

americananalog
04-17-2014, 06:48 PM
They don't have a center beam. I'm thinking about adding one for a little more low end definition. Doing it right would be a task for sure.

KCblues
04-17-2014, 07:00 PM
Digitech GSP-21 on top, I still have one of those!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/gawddoggit/2006_09260001.jpg70's vintage full size marshall cab but a 4x10 with 15 watt celestions! yup a 60 watt cab...............it's sound is best described as thunderous.......amazing!:RoCkIn

JParry335
04-17-2014, 08:24 PM
Big fan of the 1965 cabs here.
If you check out the link to my youtube channel in my sig line and listen to Una Noche Caliente, Looper Jam, A Boogie and the Slow Blue clips, these are all through my Bassman and mostly the 1965A cab but Una Noche was done using both the A and B cab.
The B cab definitely has a more pronounced bottom end.

Stu Blue
04-18-2014, 04:46 AM
Know anything about celestion tube 10 (g10e-30)? Found 4 used for 50$! 4 of them in a 1965b powered by a Ceriatone 18w TMB, would that be cool perhaps?

Tube10s are from Celestion's cheapest range... disappointing sound when pushed is all I'll say. (A friend has two in a combo). Nothing like the greenbacks or V30 10ins.... the V30s 10s are very smooth and ballsy (and high wattage )

Geeze
04-18-2014, 05:39 AM
Big fan of the 10"! I have built a 2x10 and currently running a 4x10 slant made with African mahogany [I am a wood whore]. My current favorite speaker mix is greenbacks with golds. Chimey, creamy punchy and more low end than I need.

Russ

B Money
04-18-2014, 10:57 AM
Craigslist alert: here's a 1965B for sale on Craigslist, the seller is only asking $250 OBO. Somebody should scoop this up quick. I would, except I just spend big bucks on a Les Paul.

http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/4428314157.html

Here's a 1965A cabinet for sale in Ithaca
http://ithaca.craigslist.org/msg/4371627052.html

doghouseman
04-18-2014, 01:56 PM
BTW, does anyone know what heads these cabs were originally built for? Some kind of small box? Marshall should reissue these cabs, they are killer. I made a 2X10 from the speakers in mine and I still love that little 2X10 cab.

Gasp100
04-18-2014, 02:42 PM
Ugh... I had the full stack. Really cool cabs for sure.
My head was one of those Mosfet suckers, sort of tube sort of solid state. It was just OK at the time, also ran a Galien Kruger 250ML into it... STEREO baby!

schwa
04-18-2014, 07:53 PM
BTW, does anyone know what heads these cabs were originally built for? Some kind of small box? Marshall should reissue these cabs, they are killer. I made a 2X10 from the speakers in mine and I still love that little 2X10 cab.

I have a pic of the matching head - 2204S earlier in this tread. It's a full on 2204 in a small box. Marshall routed out a slot in the top of the box so the full sized drake transformer would fit! It's a pretty good sounding amp.

doghouseman
04-19-2014, 04:47 PM
I have a pic of the matching head - 2204S earlier in this tread. It's a full on 2204 in a small box. Marshall routed out a slot in the top of the box so the full sized drake transformer would fit! It's a pretty good sounding amp.

Man.. that would be a killer little rig. I will have to keep my eyes out for one of those. MARSHALL .. IF YOU ARE HERE… PLEASE REISSUE THIS SETUP!!!

Roark
04-19-2014, 08:43 PM
I put a different baffle in mine with 2 12-65s, as I felt the 10s were too high mid forward for my taste. It sounds pretty good to me now.

fwiw I compared my early 80's 4-12 to it, and the 4-12 edged it slightly on the bottom end. But the 1965 cabs are still pretty meaty.

morglan
04-24-2014, 06:07 PM
Craigslist alert: here's a 1965B for sale on Craigslist, the seller is only asking $250 OBO. Somebody should scoop this up quick. I would, except I just spend big bucks on a Les Paul.

http://syracuse.craigslist.org/msg/4428314157.html

Here's a 1965A cabinet for sale in Ithaca
http://ithaca.craigslist.org/msg/4371627052.html

I'm pretty sure I just bought that cab today (the CL ad was deleted when I clicked).

The guy took $175 for it--safe to assume that was a good buy (have not had a chance to play my Fargen Mighty Plex through it yet...)?

B Money
04-25-2014, 07:00 AM
here's a 1965B
http://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/msg/4411949300.html

I don't think the seller knows what he has, only asking $200.

Damn, why do these deals have to come around when I have no money??? LOL

morglan
04-25-2014, 08:05 AM
I hooked mine up today, and while I'm not 'disappointed', I think it could use some work.

The rear cover definitely needs reinforcing--should I simply X brace it, or do I really need to run a center post from front to back?

I'm also considering replacing the rear entirely with something other than mdf - if I can find some decent plywood, ill probably do that. Every screw hole that holds the rear on needs to be refilled and drilled again. No big deal, just hate screws that won't/can't bite.

As I tend to prefer 12" speakers, I'm thinking about building a replacement 2x12 baffle that I can swap out for the 4x10 when the mood strikes as well. Maybe a nice checkerboard cloth...

Just what I needed--another project!

amoodymule
04-25-2014, 08:21 AM
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/247149_2006610399370_8359861_n.jpg

I have been jammin on mine for about 7 years now and the mix n match cabs have what I need, portability, good solid sound and flexibility. One night I might use just one cab or run another amp (Fender SCXD or Pro Jr) with the Soldano for stereo fun.
In rehearsal I sometimes put a cab at each side of the room, expieriment a bit. The 2-12's have been replaced with Eminence Canibis Rex's and I am enjoying breaking them in, a whole lot more presence than the original Celestion 75's.
Next I will get 2 new 10's to mix n match speakers in this cab, Eminence Lil' Buddy's to keep the hemp feel, not sure yet, they are rockin' just fine for now :D

miamimart
04-25-2014, 09:04 AM
From everything I've read, replacing the back with plywood will make a big difference. Best of luck.
I hooked mine up today, and while I'm not 'disappointed', I think it could use some work.

The rear cover definitely needs reinforcing--should I simply X brace it, or do I really need to run a center post from front to back?

I'm also considering replacing the rear entirely with something other than mdf - if I can find some decent plywood, ill probably do that. Every screw hole that holds the rear on needs to be refilled and drilled again. No big deal, just hate screws that won't/can't bite.

As I tend to prefer 12" speakers, I'm thinking about building a replacement 2x12 baffle that I can swap out for the 4x10 when the mood strikes as well. Maybe a nice checkerboard cloth...

Just what I needed--another project!