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celestialpivot
03-14-2007, 12:42 AM
what is the difference between these frets?

MikeP
03-14-2007, 01:24 AM
Warmoth Description
http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/necks/necks.cfm?fuseaction=fretsize

6105 .096" X .047" narrow and tall. A very popular choice.

6150 .103" X .046" A true "Jumbo".

GuitarsFromMars
03-14-2007, 04:40 AM
6105's are the McChicken of fretwire-every body likes it to some degree,and if they don't,they just get them recrowned.

78tsubaki
03-14-2007, 06:25 AM
I use 6105s.
6105s are a little taller. I did notice it at first. I found that as soon as I adjusted I really like them. They seem to leave me a little more room between frets in case I miss. I also feel that they have improved my technique because of the slightly higher profile.

I dont press as hard (dont want to go sharp) and I lift my fingers slightly higher to clear. Fingers last longer too :)

Make sense?

sampleinajar
03-14-2007, 06:29 AM
6105's are the McChicken of fretwire-every body likes it to some degree,and if they don't,they just get them recrowned.

That's a pretty good description. It is a great happy medium thing. I like them :)

Steve

jcground
03-14-2007, 08:01 AM
I use 6105s.
I dont press as hard (dont want to go sharp) and I lift my fingers slightly higher to clear.

People who do tend to press hard when they fret (me...) typically steer clear of 6105s and other tall frets. I'd prefer the 6150s, or vintage Fender style frets like 6230s.

I also tend to play heavier strings (I like .011s), and I don't shred, both of which influence my fret preference too I suppose.

YMMV, but I don't think 6105s are for everybody.

celestialpivot
03-14-2007, 09:19 AM
which one is easier to play?

A440
03-14-2007, 09:27 AM
6150's are wider. as a reference, pretty much what is used on most PRS guitars.

Dave Orban
03-14-2007, 09:55 AM
which one is easier to play?I greatly perfer the 6105s, and have had all my guitars -- including vintage pieces -- refretted with them. The also seem to intonate better, and take a fret dressing better than do the wider 6150s..

But that's just me. ;)

Rod
03-14-2007, 09:55 AM
...anybody know (for sure) what fret wire was used on the mid-1960's "Fretless Wonder" SG/Les Paul Custom guitar with ebony neck?
The fretwire is only part of the equation for the fretless "blunder" guitars..The Gibson craftsmen in Kalamazoo filed down those frets so that there was very little height left on them...They most likely started life as a medium jumbo..judging by their width..

Dave Orban
03-14-2007, 09:56 AM
The fretwire is only part of the equation for the fretless "blunder" guitars..The Gibson craftsmen in Kalamazoo filed down those frets so that there was very little height left on them...They most likely started life as a medium jumbo..judging by their width..That'd be my guess, too...

Those looked like somebody dressed them with a bench grinder. LOL! Intonation was horrible...!

celestialpivot
03-14-2007, 09:58 AM
how about stainless steel fretwire.
Worthwhile?

Iamblichus
03-15-2007, 10:30 AM
Checkout USA customs new 6125 wire.(.095x.047)

stout-hearted
03-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Two of my all time favorite guitars came with 6105 fret wire and I really like it. I tend to be someone who presses hard and will go sharp if I'm not careful, but I don't have that problem with 6105 wire.

neil reynard
01-10-2010, 04:47 AM
are medium frets standard and if so what sizes are they?

John Bell
01-10-2010, 09:20 AM
are medium frets standard and if so what sizes are they?
Suhr and Anderson medium frets are 6105. Not sure with anyone else

Don A
01-10-2010, 09:34 AM
Keep in mind that different people call different frets the same name.

The "6105" frets on my USACG necks are a full .055" tall (I love them!)! Warmoth's are considerably smaller!

cherrick
01-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Me? I'm a 6150 guy. Got 'em on my Maple/Maple neck Tele from USACG and built by Rob Oliveira. Plays like buttah!

dukeh62
01-11-2010, 11:42 AM
Keep in mind that different people call different frets the same name.

The "6105" frets on my USACG necks are a full .055" tall (I love them!)! Warmoth's are considerably smaller!


Yup...definitely be careful b/c there are quite a few different manufacturer interpretations of 6105 wire. "Real" Dunlop 6105 is .90 x .55. That's a HUGE difference from the .95 x .47 that other folks describe as 6105.

malabarmusic
01-11-2010, 12:01 PM
Yup...definitely be careful b/c there are quite a few different manufacturer interpretations of 6105 wire. "Real" Dunlop 6105 is .90 x .55. That's a HUGE difference from the .95 x .47 that other folks describe as 6105.Yes ... that earlier post showing a 0.01" height difference left me scratching my head ... :huh

Personally I MUCH prefer the (less-popular) 6150. Even well-dressed 6105s can feel like speed bumps.

Also ... point of clarification on an earlier post ... Anderson "medium" frets are indeed the same size as a Dunlop 6105, but they don't use Dunlop fretwire.

- DB

lfyost
01-11-2010, 12:22 PM
6150 or 6230 on all my rack and custom purchases. I much prefer to slide rather than bend.
Huge difference in playability when used this way.

diego
01-11-2010, 01:54 PM
rhythmrocker's fretwire chart: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=506826&highlight=6100

Millul
01-11-2010, 02:02 PM
I went for 6150 on my Probett: On Wednesday, I'll get back with a playability report!

Dylan61
01-14-2011, 02:15 AM
I went for 6150 on my Probett: On Wednesday, I'll get back with a playability report!

And?:munch

lukeII
01-14-2011, 03:38 AM
I try to get 6105 on all my strat and Tele like guitars as they have a nicer feel then vintage frets and I can't seem to get on with 6100 or 6150 frets that are just too wide on Fender guitars for my taste. I actually tried two Jim Tyler Classic one with 6100 and one with 6105 and although the neck shape was identical the 6105 equipped neck felt so much nicer to play. One is not better than the other its just a question of taste and feel.

bbigsby
01-14-2011, 03:45 AM
6105 and 9's if you press to hard notes may go sharp. With 11's I don't think it is an issue. Is there anyone out there who uses 10's and find it to be a problem?

Thanks

sidekick
01-14-2011, 05:21 AM
how about stainless steel fretwire.
Worthwhile?

There is a thread on these.

When I approached a respected UK luthier about considering these on a vintage '54 goldtop, he steered me away. Felt they were too hard and (in a manner of speaking) do not "wear" with the ageing guitar. The only SS frets I've experienced were on a Parker Fly and even after 7 years, they still looked great... The guitar did not have, (to me) much 'soul' though.

Personally, I prefer 6105's and have had them on my Strats, Gibsons and a PRS.

mslugano
01-14-2011, 09:45 AM
I went for 6150 on my Probett: On Wednesday, I'll get back with a playability report!

Let's hear about it! Didn't you already have one DP? You get another?

Crash-VR
01-14-2011, 12:23 PM
how about stainless steel fretwire.
Worthwhile?
I have stainless 6105 on my Grosh 15th Anniversary RC S. Absolutely perfect! I'll never go back. I think the narrower 6105 would wear too fast if they weren't SS. I don't know about you guys but I don't want to be away from my guitar long enough for a refret. They just seem to keep that perfect Grosh fret polish forever. After a year they do show some wear, but very little. I completely wore out a set of frets on a PRS I had in less than a year. Any potential tonal difference is completely overshadowed by the wonderful smooth feel of SS. There's nothing worse (to me) than a really long extended vibrato bend when you can feel the fret grinding away underneath your finger. It reminds me of nails on a chalkboard...

WayneM
01-14-2011, 12:45 PM
Warmoth Description
http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/necks/necks.cfm?fuseaction=fretsize

6105 .096" X .047" narrow and tall. A very popular choice.

6150 .103" X .046" A true "Jumbo".

per this site;

http://www.lutherie.net/fret.chart.html

6105 .090 X .055

6150 .105 X .042

I believe this more correct!

Da5Id
01-14-2011, 12:49 PM
I've got two Grosh guitars with 6150's and a Thorn with 6105's. I prefer the 6150's, but it's not a deal breaker either way by any means.

tdarian
01-14-2011, 06:09 PM
I replaced the frets on my 4 PRS, which were said to be essentially 6150 sized, with Jescar Stainless 6100s. I was told by Michael Tuttle, who did the work, that indeed my original frets were 6150 sized when he measured them. The Jescar 6100 wire he used was as I recall .110 X .056.

The PRS Modern Eagle used a "hybrid" wire. Michael measured those frets to be roughly .103 X. 054.

I'm finding the true 6100s to be a great feeling fret, and although I can feel the difference between them and the 6150s they replaced, it did not take much odf an adjustment and they just feel "normal". On the Modern Eagle, the frets feel about the the same size as the originals.

I'm a big fan of the stainless. Just like the slick feel for bends. Some of that may be because they are new frets, but these feel magnificent. Michael Tuttle also did a 1st class set-up, and installed a bone nut on each guitar as a part of the process.

I am not hearing any sonic artifacts related to the stainless. Some claim to hear a "ping", but I do not. It may be that setup is crucial always and maybe even moreso with stainless. But I'm not hearing what many warned me that I would.

I will never go back.

BTW, the 6105 fretted guitars I've picked up felt as if the frets were actually taller than the 6100s. It probably has something to do with the shape as the 6105s are narrow and feel to me more "abrupt".

Everyone has their preferences and for good reason....I recall a cartoon called "Mayberry LSD" where Barney Fife says "Andy, have your ever really looked at your hands?".

redbeardrob
01-17-2011, 01:23 PM
i have dunlop 6100 frets on my strat. it's a dream to play. a little challenging at first, but they make you feel like a god. they're huge, so they're easy to play, but if you do a lot of bends and work your left hand a lot it's a work out. plus they'll make you a better player. it's like playing michael jordan in 1-on-1 but he's not used to the 20 foot hoop you've been practicing on.

Terry McInturff
01-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Ive installed a lot of 6105's but Im featuring them for the first time on a TCM product soon. An all new TCM model thats going to be released in approx 3 weeks.

mslugano
01-17-2011, 04:28 PM
Ive installed a lot of 6105's but Im featuring them for the first time on a TCM product soon. An all new TCM model thats going to be released in approx 3 weeks.

You tease...

telelion
01-17-2011, 06:07 PM
I like 6105's for Fenders and 6150's for Gibson style. The tall frets are great for country bends etc. because as many have mentioned here, that they give one good intonation. They don't feel right for me on a LP though. I agree with those who dislike the Fretless wonder frets on old Gibsons. Real bad intonation especially on chords.