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feloniuspunk
03-15-2007, 06:57 PM
To begin with I know it's a trick question. There is no such thing as a perfect jazz amp, only strong opinions towards or against certain brands. I'll submit that some brands probably come pretty close to being perfect, but good jazz tone is probably just as much a function of the players fingers and technicque as it is to what's inside the amp.

AnthonyL
03-15-2007, 07:11 PM
Bruno Cowtipper series

odourboy
03-15-2007, 07:23 PM
Good question. If size and weight weren;t an issue, Fender Twin is probably still the winner.

I am partial to the Fender Jazzmaster Ultralight. Tubey Twin tone in a 7.5 lb package (less cab of course). Bonus drive channel that sounds very respectable as well.

fusionbear
03-15-2007, 07:34 PM
Please don't laugh, but a Roadster or Roadking using Channel 2 in the fat mode with tube rectifiers sounds absolutely amazing with My jazz box. I sold my Roadster, so I've had to comprimise by using my MKIV which will do, but is no where near the same.....:jo

sinner
03-15-2007, 07:57 PM
http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/223/783206/photo1.jpg (http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/gearinforequest.aspx?Item=783206)
Doesn't anyone use the Polytone anymore?

JackButler
03-15-2007, 08:00 PM
I was going to say Polytone!

googoobaby
03-15-2007, 08:10 PM
+1 for the Fender Jazzmaster Ultralight

smiert spionam
03-15-2007, 08:38 PM
Tweed Deluxe.



Really.

LSchefman
03-15-2007, 08:40 PM
What's jazz?

Can be lots of things to lots of people. So I'm gonna say...Marshall stack, dimed. ;)

1973Marshall
03-15-2007, 08:54 PM
I am gonna say

Fender Deluxe, Fender Twin, Mesa Mark series (when clean), and Polytone MiniBrute - from shows I have ATTENDED and personal experience - though I am not a great jazz player.

Tag
03-15-2007, 08:56 PM
Cowtippers, Bassmans, Super/twin reverbs/HR devilles /deluxes. Depending on the guitar, the above are the best I have heard. For an electric, the Cowtippers are the best. With SOME archtops, (especially with big built in humbuckers) they can be almost too fat sounding. For those, I like the thinner sounding fenders.

PFCG
03-15-2007, 09:51 PM
if your doin straight ahead super clean pat metheny style, get an Acoustic Image Focus IIR. and a Raezerz edge cab. But i also play alot of jazz on my 100 watt two rock CRA. works perfect!

Dunnej
03-15-2007, 10:10 PM
George Benson is using Polytones right now, and a Twin is his backup. I've been gettin' some great jazzy tones with a P-90 and my Two Rock Custom Reverb

kram21
03-15-2007, 10:30 PM
fender twin,bogner shiva

Blue Strat
03-15-2007, 10:37 PM
http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/223/783206/photo1.jpg (http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/gearinforequest.aspx?Item=783206)
Doesn't anyone use the Polytone anymore?

Charlie and Wes loved Polytones......NOT!:jo

fractal
03-15-2007, 11:43 PM
I saw Joe Diorio play once where someone asked him what he was playing through. He looked at the amp, and answered "the amp du jour." I think that sums it up. (He sounded GREAT through an amp that was in the room at the time.)

Get something that you like and sounds good to you.

Zhurh
03-15-2007, 11:51 PM
I find myself getting into more old Wes, Kenny Burrell, Benson, ect along with all the jazzier SRV tunes with strat/surfers and the sweetest, cleanest sounding amp I have ever owned:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i78/Eska_2006/MVC-878F.jpg

tybone
03-16-2007, 12:58 AM
George Benson is using Polytones right now, and a Twin is his backup. I've been gettin' some great jazzy tones with a P-90 and my Two Rock Custom Reverb

With it's tight power supply, the Opal also gets some good jazz tones. But I am really with Les...Superlead with greenbacks.

gi doc
03-16-2007, 07:59 AM
Probably Brunos and Allesandros for tube amps, and Evans for a solid state amp.

JamesHealey
03-16-2007, 08:14 AM
ooooh dear god, not the polytone it reminds me of music college..

Brien
03-16-2007, 08:16 AM
Vintage Fender style amps (BF Deluxe, Vibrolux, Super, etc.) always sound the best to me. I also really like the Victorilux with effcient speakers (C12N style).

AD
03-16-2007, 08:59 AM
Get the worst sounding blues/rock closed back amp and voila......perfect for jazz.....

I have an old beat up Peavey Bandit (hey, my dad had good intentions :-) ) - I just need to put a piece of plywood on the back and it will work fine.

I dunno about the Polytone's.....YMMV.

daddyo
03-16-2007, 09:10 AM
Cube 60 makes a killer jazz amp for very low $$$$$. Plus it has way more other sounds. Amps like Polytone only excel at jazz.

steve rowen
03-16-2007, 09:26 AM
Ampeg Gemini II and VI, or B12XT

mtlin
03-16-2007, 09:38 AM
The Fender Twin is probably the industry standard, no?

Don L
03-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Pro Reverb is my favorite.

Plague Dog
03-16-2007, 10:08 AM
To have a good jazz amp there would have to be good jazz.

cdaloia
03-16-2007, 10:18 AM
Ampeg Gemini II gets my vote.

Chuck

bluessyndicate
03-16-2007, 10:32 AM
When it comes out..

the PRS Private Stock amp...

killer for jazz

scottl
03-16-2007, 10:39 AM
LOL... Why not mention whose jazz tones you consider "grail"? I like using my fusion rig as I like getting a "horn" like tone at times. It all depends what you consider a jazz tone. Wes? Pass? Holdsworth?

feloniuspunk
03-16-2007, 10:46 AM
Lately Ive been playing a Princeton Recording Amp (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/2/0/427420.jpg) on jazz gigs with pretty good results. I like that its all tube and has a built-in compression feature. Its plenty loud (15 watts), small, relatively light weight and real clean. I sort of wish it had a mid control knob though. Im also not crazy about the OD feature. Thats just an extra whistle/bell that rarely gets used when playing jazz.

I also like Evans Amps for jazz a lot too. I have two of them, an RE200 (http://www.evansamps.com/images/re200_585px.jpg) and a hybrid JE200 ( http://www.jhalemusic.com/pages/je150.html). They are both SS but the JE200 has a tube preamp. The RE200 uses a single 10 speaker. Ive replaced the stock 10 with a ceramic tone tubby 10 ( http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm) and it sounds so good. Its very small and light weight but lacks the headroom of the JE200, which uses a single 12 speaker. Im still using the stock speaker in the JE200 and it sounds great.

The only built-in effects the Evans amps have are chorus and flange plus reverb. That may seem odd but the flange actually sounds a bit more like a Leslie tone cabinet than flange. Both effects are very musical. The JE200 could also be used for a rock gig IMO if you put an OD pedal in line. The Evans amps are rather pricey but have lots of features like headphone jacks, line out, etc. But they are still pretty much one trick ponies and best used for jazz and not much more.

Thats why I made the comment up front when posting this thread about it being a trick question. The Fuchs, Brunos, and even Kingsley Amps (http://www.kingsleyamplifiers.com) would all be great contenders too in my book and are also good at other things besides jazz.

Polytones dont impress me that much. Id take either one of my Evans amps over a Polytone any day of the week. I like the comments though about being able to use any amp and making it sound good. I get really nice jazz tones out of my Rivera R100-212 ( http://www.rivera.com/r100-212.php). I also used to have a Tech 21 TM60 ( http://www.tech21nyc.com/tm60.html) with 1-12 whose clean mode just sparkled when playing jazz. For jazz I think its mainly about sufficient clean headroom but with the ability to sustain when pushed that makes an amp desirable to me.

Great responses all!
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Princeton Recording Amp (http://www.fender.com/products/princeton/) sound samples (listen to Guthrie Clean Strat Neck)

Evans Amps (http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B0000019E3001008/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_008/104-1451901-5293555) sound sample (Joe Diorio (http://www.amazon.com/Jobim-Love-Joe-Diorio/dp/B0000019E3/ref=sr_1_9/104-1451901-5293555?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174058625&sr=1-9) playing One Note Samba - might be slow to load)

Kingsley Amp (http://www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/ktones/contemplation.mp3) sound sample (Simon Jarrett (http://www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/simon_jarrett/simon_jarrett.html) playing Contemplation using Kingsley amp)

Rivera 55-112 (http://www.rivera.com/rseries/tonesamples.html) sound sample - hit play button (R100-212 sounds even better)

Tech 21 TM 60 (http://www.tech21nyc.com/sounds/TM-60_7.MP3) sound sample

staxman
03-16-2007, 01:09 PM
I'm with you on the Princeton Reverb, especially if it has a 12" speaker. I recently ordered a Headstrong Lil' King as my "convenience amp" for R&B and jazz/blues stuff.

JackD
03-17-2007, 09:00 AM
Pro Reverb is my favorite.

I just picked up a blackface Pro Reverb and it sounds AMAZING!!

rwe333
03-17-2007, 09:12 AM
LOL... Why not mention whose jazz tones you consider "grail"? ... It all depends what you consider a jazz tone. Wes? Pass? Holdsworth?

Good point.

1kidc
03-17-2007, 09:19 AM
Yamaha G-100 w/ EVm 12L ! Great for funk rhythm as well....

trap
03-17-2007, 09:23 AM
i've been using a rivera r-55 for years with good results. i find the trick to getting a "jazz" tone, i.e. clean and pretty, is to go in the low gain input, bring the amp volume up and lower the volume on the guitar. bring down the tone control and voila! traditional clean jazz tone.playing with a lighter touch helps also as does playing with the rounded side of a fender heavy or extra heavy pick.this works with any reasonably clean amp. not a budda superdrive for instance.

feloniuspunk
03-17-2007, 02:57 PM
Hmmmm, good question, let's see, who do I think represents the holy grail of jazz tone? I guess I'd pick players like Kenny Burrell (http://www.amazon.com/Round-Midnight-Kenny-Burrell/dp/B000009NWJ/ref=sr_1_2/002-5856588-8719230?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174157917&sr=1-2) on Round Midnight, or Tal Farlow (http://www.amazon.com/Swinging-Guitar-Tal-Farlow/dp/B00000HXFM/ref=sr_1_1/002-5856588-8719230?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174157976&sr=1-1) or Wes Montgomery (http://www.amazon.com/Smokin-Half-Montgomery-Wynton-Kelly/dp/B00000470Y/ref=sr_1_16/002-5856588-8719230?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174158118&sr=1-16). There's also players like Pat Martino, Howard Roberts and Bill Frisell who have all captured it as well. I have even gotten lucky and come close to 'my ideal (http://nickkepics.com/music/Piece_Offering.wav)' once or twice before.

I think it comes and goes. No one holds it forever. It changes slightly from generation to generation, but jazz tone is pretty much a pure simple archtop (acoustic) type of sound without a lot of effects, just a pure good sweet tone.

What I've learned about it is that when you put an album out there and call it jazz, no matter what instrument you play, the jazz Nazi's have this certain expectation and standard that they hold you to. If you stray too far from "that", then you open yourself up to all kinds of criticism and even total rejection by the jazz community. If you play guitar you can take some chances (bend a note here and there) but overall, your sound and technique must fit into a fairly narrow range of what afficionados will tolerate.

With other genres like rock no such pre-filter exists. I have my idea of what good rock tone should sound like just everybody else does. I like the tone Clapton got when he was with Cream, even if he got it using a Marshall. You see I'm just not a big fan of the Marshall sound so that puts me on the fringe of what a lot of rock guitarists considers good rock tone. There's nothing wrong with Marshall, I just don't consider it the holy grail of rock, and I own a Marshall!

Needless to say guitar 'tone' is a subject that we could (and have) discussed to death.

:horse

I digress.

z3
03-17-2007, 03:30 PM
What's jazz?

Can be lots of things to lots of people. So I'm gonna say...Marshall stack, dimed. ;)

great for achieving that coltrane sheets of sound effect.

my personal fave jazzish amp would be the standel 25L15. possibly the biggest sounding warmest amp that still retains a remarkable amount of touch and note definition and totally devoid of any electronic artifact. it doesn't sound like an amplifier.
joe maphis, chet atkins, grady martin had the classic standel tones back in the '50s and it hasn't changed since then. ry cooder is a standel user, as well, for his 'swamp jazz'.

fusionbear
03-17-2007, 05:52 PM
I know that answering this post is very subjective, but I was surprised recently at a John Pizzarelli concert in Newport Beach, CA. JP was playing a beautiful 7 string Archtop that sounded amazing. When the concert was over, I walked up to the stage to see that he was using a Roland JC120! Was it his fingers, his guitar, or the amp? I think all three contributed. And yet, the quest still goes on.......

feloniuspunk
03-18-2007, 01:33 AM
I used to own one of those smaller Roland amps, it was the JC 90 I think, with 2-10's? It was pretty nice, gotta admit.

jazzguitar14
03-18-2007, 08:07 AM
Evans

pinner
03-18-2007, 08:29 AM
I have an Acoustic Image Clarus 2r III head with a Reazers Edge NY8 Cab which I like for the old school Wes'ish sound. Compact and light.

More reciently I picked up a Rivera "Jazz" Suprema which I love. Really enjoy the sound that tubes give.

Had a polytone a long time ago which I never liked.

The "summer" clip is my Heritage Golden Eagle with Kent Armstrong PAF floater into the Rivera.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=676847

Later
Pinner

crbirdx
04-18-2007, 08:45 AM
+1 on the evans JE200 and nay on the polytones. A twin a cheap but heavy.

nek
04-18-2007, 10:44 AM
My favorite ES-175 jazz sound is the BF Fender Vibrolux Reverb. The sustain and tone on the 175 is unreal. Usually I just play direct through the PA with a little reverb. Saves hauling the amp around.

jzgtrguy
04-25-2007, 09:42 AM
I used to own a Polytone Minibrute IV and it was a great amp. I now have an Evans JE200 kind of like a polytone on Steroids. http://www.evansamps.com/

Another really popular rig is an Acoustic Image Clarus with a Raezers Edge Cabinet. http://www.acousticimg.com/index2.html
and http://www.raezers-edge.com/

Two newer amps that are gaining in popularity are the Jazzkat
http://www.jazzkatamps.com/

and the Jazzamp by Henriksen http://www.jazzamp.com/ Jim Hall and Joe Diorio are using these.

All of the above amps are solid state. But they all produce a very warm tube like sound. A lot of your favorite jazz guitar records were recorded with solid state amps weather it is George Benson, Pat Martino, Jimmy Bruno etc.

Out,

Jeff

myles111
04-25-2007, 09:47 AM
Standards run from the solid state PolyTone and Roland JC120 through the Twin Reverb for the most part.

andybaylor
04-25-2007, 09:48 AM
Two Rock is pretty sweet. Custom Sig

monkmiles
04-26-2007, 08:14 PM
+1 Fender Jazzmaster Ultralight...love mine.

IslandFunhouse
11-10-2009, 11:58 AM
Who said there is no perfect jazz amp!? I have a brand new 2009 Evans reissue AE-100 Gold Amp which I use on all my straight-ahead gigs with archtops. Unbelievable amp in a small package.....thrashes on Polytone (which I actually like) and also Henriksen and Clarus, the latter of which both sound processed to me.

I have many recordings and a section on the AE-100 on my web page www.jimbastian.com (http://www.jimbastian.com)

I have also been using the Evans AH 200 with an EV cab for electric bass (I double on bass; straight ahead jazz only)....great warm tone I find unsurpassed. I have nylon strings on the Fender Jazz...some people think it sounds more like an upright than many uprights!

The (no longer made) Peterson {England, 1980s} amp is nice too...I have one of those in my collection. But for working every night, the Evans is the reliable and powerful jazz workhorse.

jzucker
11-10-2009, 12:03 PM
Please don't laugh, but a Roadster or Roadking using Channel 2 in the fat mode with tube rectifiers sounds absolutely amazing with My jazz box. I sold my Roadster, so I've had to comprimise by using my MKIV which will do, but is no where near the same.....:jo

The MKIV I had was one of the worst sounding clean amps ever. Horrible for jazz. Very peaky and unforgiving. YMMV.

Fender dual showman reverb is as good as it gets.

jzucker
11-10-2009, 12:04 PM
George Benson is using Polytones right now, and a Twin is his backup. I've been gettin' some great jazzy tones with a P-90 and my Two Rock Custom Reverb

Benson uses a fender deville style amp in parallel with the polytone. On the recent album where he used only the polytone it was the worst sound ever. (Absolute Benson)

Aslan
12-31-2009, 07:12 AM
I've searched many years for the perfect jazz amp for my Benedetto guitar and found it in a Lab Series amp from the late 70's. I bought a L7 (410 combo) and have never looked at another amp for jazz again. The blues players love these amps but I use mine for pure jazz! If your get a chance to try one of these do it, I know they are solid state but the sound will amaze you.

goodandswarty
12-31-2009, 07:18 AM
check out the jazz clips on Swart's website. The Atomic Space Tone is beautiful, organic and the reverb is really sweet... plus the whole amp is super light and portable. you can even easily swap tubes with no biasing if you're at a gig and need a bit more headroom... pop in a set of 6L6's and be on your way.... or drop in some EL34's for your secret metal gig and let all hell break loose.

kmcmichael
12-31-2009, 07:52 AM
I tried some solid state, including the acoustic image(kind of a marvel). I settled on an Alessandro Comins w 2x10s. I also know for a fact that a twin is a pretty good one.

iim7v7im7
12-31-2009, 08:10 AM
I'll suggest that the answer will depend on a lot of factors. Jazz like other musical forms covers a fairly broad spectrum.

For me, I am playing in small spaces and usually solo or with some bass and brush drums and not a larger space with an orchestra or an electric band with a heavy handed drummer.

I am also carrying my own gear. So for me, I wanted small size, light weight, clean head room, good bass performance, I want a fast amp to hear pick attack as well.

For me (main word here) my Acoustic Image Clarus IIR Series III with my Raezer's Edge Nighthawk 1x10" is fairly close to perfect for me. The built in digital reverb is useable as well. Do I enjoy the warmth and euphonics of my tube based blues amps when playing tunes, YES! But, they are heavy and large in comparison, have less head room and are slower compared to the AR.

My $.02

Bob

arthur rotfeld
12-31-2009, 08:22 AM
The MKIV I had was one of the worst sounding clean amps ever. Horrible for jazz. Very peaky and unforgiving. YMMV.


I agree. I owned one for ten years and wanted to like it more than anything. Unusable as a jazz amp.....and not as good a rock amp as my .50 caliber.

jzucker
12-31-2009, 08:33 AM
Acoustic Image doesn't have a working treble control. It's at 10k. I've been begging them for years to move it down to 4k or put in a switch. I love it for acoustic guitar though.

I'll suggest that the answer will depend on a lot of factors. Jazz like other musical forms covers a fairly broad spectrum.

For me, I am playing in small spaces and usually solo or with some bass and brush drums and not a larger space with an orchestra or an electric band with a heavy handed drummer.

I am also carrying my own gear. So for me, I wanted small size, light weight, clean head room, good bass performance, I want a fast amp to hear pick attack as well.

For me (main word here) my Acoustic Image Clarus IIR Series III with my Raezer's Edge Nighthawk 1x10" is fairly close to perfect for me. The built in digital reverb is useable as well. Do I enjoy the warmth and euphonics of my tube based blues amps when playing tunes, YES! But, they are heavy and large in comparison, have less head room and are slower compared to the AR.

My $.02

Bob

bbutler123
12-31-2009, 08:35 AM
Don't know about best, but I was given a Polytone and it is probably the cleanest and punchiest amp I've ever heard. Mine is a Mini Brute V and has a bad buzz after a while which is not the speaker, but I haven't had it diagnosed yet, or otherwise I'd offer to sell it to you, cheap probably.

matchless
12-31-2009, 08:45 AM
an amp not mentioned would be a vibroverb w/jbl-130f-15".very clean with a full rich tone

jzucker
12-31-2009, 09:05 AM
an amp not mentioned would be a vibroverb w/jbl-130f-15".very clean with a full rich tone

don't like a 15 for jazz but those are great amps for sure. Problem is that they almost all need a recone and the weber recones don't sound right.

wallinbb
12-31-2009, 09:05 AM
What's jazz?

Can be lots of things to lots of people. So I'm gonna say...Marshall stack, dimed. ;)

One wrong note is a wrong note. Two wrong notes is Jazz. :)

arthur rotfeld
12-31-2009, 09:09 AM
don't like a 15 for jazz but those are great amps for sure. Problem is that they almost all need a recone and the weber recones don't sound right.

Too much bass from the 15"?

What speakers sizes and types do you like?

jzucker
12-31-2009, 09:18 AM
Too much bass from the 15"?

What speakers sizes and types do you like?

I should take back what I said earlier. I actually do like the 15 for jazz. However, it sometimes will get lost in the mix with a loud band. But for solo or trio stuff it sounds wonderful if you can find a black widow, ev 15L or original cone JBL.

I like 2x10 or 2x12 for a loud jazz group but of course you have to have a young back...

iim7v7im7
12-31-2009, 09:35 AM
Jack,

My AI Series III tone controls are shelving type:

Bass = <250 Hz with a max boost/cut of 15 dB
Mid = >300 Hz, <2000 Hz with a max boost/cut of 15 dB
Treble = >2000 Hz with a max boost/cut of 25 dB

I believe the 10 kHz in the specification is where the maximum +/- 25 dB treble control is a achieved (60 Hz for bass, 650 Hz for mids). It definitely attenuates in the 4 kHz range, just not maximally. So you want them to move the center point down if I understand you correctly?

Bob


Acoustic Image doesn't have a working treble control. It's at 10k. I've been begging them for years to move it down to 4k or put in a switch. I love it for acoustic guitar though.

jzucker
12-31-2009, 09:41 AM
The treble control on mine has absolutely *ZERO* effect for electric guitar on mine.

From the site:

Bass Control
Shelving type, 15 dB @ 60 Hz
Mid Control
15 dB @ 650 Hz
Treble Control
Shelving type, 15 dB @ 10 kHz

The treble works with an acoustic steel string or nylon or with slapping with a FRFR cab but the center point is way above the frequency of a normal guitar speaker. So really, all 3 tone controls are in the wrong place for electric bass or electric guitar IMO...

iim7v7im7
12-31-2009, 09:49 AM
Jack,

http://www.acousticimg.com/manuals/Manual-amp%20heads%20sIII.pdf

See page 3 for operation principle and page 9 for specs. My amp is +/- 25dB for treble and not +/- 15dB like yours. 10 kHz is the center point, it sweeps down to 2 kHz. Mine definitely attenuates treble audibly.

Is yours a series II or series III?

Bob

The treble control on mine has absolutely *ZERO* effect for electric guitar on mine.

From the site:

Bass Control
Shelving type, 15 dB @ 60 Hz
Mid Control
15 dB @ 650 Hz
Treble Control
Shelving type, 15 dB @ 10 kHz

The treble works with an acoustic steel string or nylon or with slapping with a FRFR cab but the center point is way above the frequency of a normal guitar speaker. So really, all 3 tone controls are in the wrong place for electric bass or electric guitar IMO...

jzucker
12-31-2009, 09:54 AM
can you post a clip of it getting the bright, bensony type of sound? I found their amps to be incapable of boosting the treble freq in the right range to get that brightness. That's the bottom line, regardless of specs. 2k is not correct for a guitar treble control either. My amp doesn't have the model number on it. It's in a contra type of enclosure with digital reverb. It predates the corus I believe.

billyguitar
12-31-2009, 09:59 AM
10 or 11 years ago I bought an Evans JE150, a 1x12 combo. The amp improved a lot when I changed the speaker. Perhaps the very best sound was when I had an EVM12L in it. It also sounds great with an alnico Tone Tubby and currently I'm using a WEBER VST Neo Max JBL clone with a paper dome. I use a jazz tone with my swing band although I consider myself a blues guitarist. For blues or pop I could just use some different pedals and be very happy. I really love how small this amp is too. A 1x12 amp just can't physically get smaller!
Polytones sound pretty good to me but there seems to be a little hashiness in the background that I don't like.
I bought a used Henriksen amp a while back. I found out 1x10 just doesn't cut it for me. The stock speaker was dreadful! I put a Gauss 10" in it and improved the tone 100%. Now I let my sax player run his electric violin thru it.

iim7v7im7
12-31-2009, 10:29 AM
Jack,

Sorry, I am not set up to record clips. I would not describe the sound that way. My old Polytone sounded a bit more like that Benson type sound to me. My AI is a bit too clean and fast for that in my view.

It sounds as if our amps have somewhat different tone control topologies based on their age (mine is a 2008 model Series III). So the guys at AI may have listened to you (and others) not by moving the center point down, but by increasing the attenuation capability by an additional +/- 10 dB. I suspect as you suggested they left the center at 10 kHz to satisfy their acoustic clientelle.

:-)

Bob

Does yours have the "brite" control? Mine does not.

can you post a clip of it getting the bright, bensony type of sound? I found their amps to be incapable of boosting the treble freq in the right range to get that brightness. That's the bottom line, regardless of specs. 2k is not correct for a guitar treble control either. My amp doesn't have the model number on it. It's in a contra type of enclosure with digital reverb. It predates the corus I believe.

thewalkingboss
12-31-2009, 10:51 AM
.
Another really popular rig is an Acoustic Image Clarus with a Raezers Edge Cabinet. http://www.acousticimg.com/index2.html
and http://www.raezers-edge.com/

.

Jeff

I've been to lots of shows at Birdland and seen Bruno, Martino, Wilkins etc use that amp/cab combo or something much like it. I have a Clarus 2R and a Raezer Stealth 12 that I bought mostly for acoustic stuff but it was the setup of choice for the jazz juys a few years back.

That said, I really think that "jazz tone" comes much more from the instrument, the pickup (neck position only), the volume and tone controls (lower volume, boosted midrange, treble and bass rolled off), and of course the skill of the player, than it does from the amp. I think that's why solid state amps are the choice for that style of music. They don't want anything to change or distort what comes out of their guitars.