X2 Digital Wireless! IT SOUNDS LIKE A CORD!!!!!!!!

[guitardoc64]

I recently became aware of the new wireless system on the market designed by Guy Coker, Designer of the much heralded X-wire of the late 90's. I aquired one recently. I work in a music store, and I've tried out just about any brand on the market. None have been as good as a cord. All have been a huge hassle with all the trims,squelches etc to adjust to just get a signal that still doesn't sound as good as a direct connection. The XDS95 does two miracles at once, it sounds like a cord, and it is extremely simple to use. Out of the box, I had it running in 2 minutes. The transmitter is about what you'd expect in a belt pack, with a heavy-duty 9V battery clip instead of friction terminals. The base unit is only a little bigger than a Boss-type pedal and can either be powered with a 9V battery or almost any EFX pedal supply (Boss PSA, One SPOT, etc) Or from the power matrix in your pedalboard! Genius! The transmitter and base units have identical controls-Power and Channel/Mode select.
No trimpots. No little black plastic screwdriver. Oh yeah, I'm impressed.
Bottom line-IT SOUNDS LIKE A CORD!!!!!!!!!:RoCkIn
http://www.x2digitalwireless.com/

[major-minor]

My buddy---who also works in a music store (hmmmm) described it exactly the same way. He could hear NO difference between that and a cord.

[guitardoc64]

Absolutely true. It really does work as advertised. I noticed that it's actually quieter, since the direct connection is broken. I use it to record instead of a cable for noise reasons!

[kurtsstuff]

I have an original Xwire and was hoping something like this would come about. are they as good as the original??

[guitardoc64]

I have an original Xwire and was hoping something like this would come about. are they as good as the original??
Guy coker spent ten years redesigning it. The amazing thing is the advances in electronics, especially digital. Like the Xwire it uses digital transmission, but it's also on the 900MHZ+ range, so It won't pick up interference from cell phones, HDTV signals etc. Yes it's better, and you can put it in your pocket. The locking plug on the transmitter prevents accidental disconnects, and eliminates the problems the Xwire had with the 1/4" jack.

[gag halfrunt]

I'm glad to hear everyone speak so highly of this unit. I am just now in the market for a wireless system, and there are so many out there. :confused:

But is it REALLY as good as a cord? I bought an early Nady wireless back in the 80's and it was not that good. I am really psyched to check this unit out! :RoCkIn

[wichita]

I wonder if this one works any better in Europe than the old X Wire. I loved the way it sounded but it seemed to be on a competing frequency with Police band and emergency vehicles in Europe.

[soybean]

Thanks for the tip. I looked at their website. Do you know if there is any latency when using it?

[guitardoc64]

Thanks for the tip. I looked at their website. Do you know if there is any latency when using it?

No latency.

[ned911]

He also designed the Sennheiser Digital 1000 which can be found on ebay for a bit cheaper than the X2 if you have budget constraints. They sound just as good.

[guitardoc64]

I'm glad to hear everyone speak so highly of this unit. I am just now in the market for a wireless system, and there are so many out there. :confused:

But is it REALLY as good as a cord? I bought an early Nady wireless back in the 80's and it was not that good. I am really psyched to check this unit out! :RoCkIn
This is like NOTHING else on the market. No compression/expansion circuitry, no tone sucking, nothing wierd added or lost. I keep saying that IT SOUNDS LIKE A CORD! It really does! I got the upgrade cable for mine which has Canare cable and Neutrik/Switchcraft ends, becuse the cable it comes with is kind of cheesy(molded ends!)but there's no real audible difference. Frequency response is 20HZ-12KHZ, dynamic range 117DB.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A CORD! For less than $500!!

[espechemode]

Does this wireless work alright with Fuzz pedals (big muff)? Most wireless units have impedance problems with fuzz don't they?

I e-mailed X2 and they said it should work fine, just wondering if anyone has actually tried it.

[celestion101]

On advice from Steve Stevens I bought a Letrosonics unit which I love. It's the first unit that I've bought that actually reacts to the guitars volume control (which I use a lot in a gig). This is critical because that is where many units fail (they mud up, lose highs, etc.). Does the X2 react to the volume knob as if it was plugged direct with a chord? The Lectrosonics is near $2k on the street and I would be tempted to use one of these when I do not take my rack (wireless is in with GCX pedal swithcing rig).

[Chadley]

No latency.

That's impossible. There has to be some latency unless we are going to ignore the laws of science. Whether it is noticeable or not is another story.

[Hamer95USA]

Hey guys,

I bought the X2 Digital Wireless system and it sounds very good. Good enough that I sold my cheesy old Nady 201 VHF wireless system. No noise, squelch, or thin tone associated with cheap wireless systems. The receiver takes little space and I power mine from one of the DC outputs of my VHT Valvulator. Great innovation in digital wireless.

Guitar George

[gag halfrunt]

That's impossible. There has to be some latency unless we are going to ignore the laws of science. Whether it is noticeable or not is another story.
I think the question is whether the wireless unit has MORE latency than a cord (as small as that is). I can't see why it would be significantly different, but I'm no expert here.

[Andre357]

I've been gigging with the X2 for about 2 - 3 months now and it is FLAWLESS. Bought it from AmericanMusical on a whim.

It sounds EXACTLY like a high quality cable.

I couldn't be happier. It sounds better than units costing much , much more.

I'm suprised more people aren't talking about these.

[TieDyedDevil]

On advice from Steve Stevens I bought a Letrosonics unit which I love. It's the first unit that I've bought that actually reacts to the guitars volume control (which I use a lot in a gig). This is critical because that is where many units fail (they mud up, lose highs, etc.). Does the X2 react to the volume knob as if it was plugged direct with a chord? The Lectrosonics is near $2k on the street and I would be tempted to use one of these when I do not take my rack (wireless is in with GCX pedal swithcing rig).



You're talking about the IS400, right? You should be able to buy those for closer to $1,200. I owned one for less than a day. It was not all it was cracked up to be. The specs look good, but I was surprised that I was not able to get enough headroom out of it. I found myself having to trade off hiss against compression.

I've been tempted by the X2 which was announced at about the time I tried the IS400. But my experiences with the "professional" IS400 lead me to believe that my ears are just too picky for a wireless.

[JoeB63]

so which cord does it sound like: A $15 cheapo or a $300 Evidence Plus?

TGP taught me that all cords sound different.

[George Adelson]

Guitardoc, where did you order the upgrade cable and how much? X2 told me to call one of their dealers and the ones I've tried don't know anything about it.

I bought mine on a whim from American Musical as well. I've used it on gigs and it always works (so far), is small, the price is right, I can power it with a pedal power and to my ears, sounds as good as a high quality cable. Also, to my ears, adds a bit of high end. The only thing I don't like about it is the molded cable, but it looks like they have dealt with it.

In closing, old habits die hard. I never thought I would find a wireless that I would be completely satisfied with, but this one so far has it all for $350.00 which is less than some pedals I've purchased recently.

[Thazy]

What's the range on it, is it line-of-sight? I too, have been considering finally going wireless and this unit sounds like the way to go. Anyone have any bad experiences? I am curious about the upgraded cable too. Thanks for the very timely discussion about it!!

[electron transl]

has anyone ever run one of these units from their pedals to their amp(s)? i'm wondering if you could do a tandem setup and be totally wireless (except for a power cord)?

i've got next to zero experience with wireless units so pardon me if this is a ridiculous question...but the ramifications could be really cool if it works!

[armanHammer]

how much is it? (too lazy to look up)

[guitardoc64]

Does this wireless work alright with Fuzz pedals (big muff)? Most wireless units have impedance problems with fuzz don't they?

I e-mailed X2 and they said it should work fine, just wondering if anyone has actually tried it.
Yes, It does work with pedals and they react just like a direct plug in. That was the first thing that I tried, and was pleasantly surprised that there was no real difference.

[guitardoc64]

What's the range on it, is it line-of-sight? I too, have been considering finally going wireless and this unit sounds like the way to go. Anyone have any bad experiences? I am curious about the upgraded cable too. Thanks for the very timely discussion about it!!
Range is 150' max. line of sight to the reciever helps. all this info is on the website(see my first post) The upgrade cable has a gold-plated 1/8"TRS with locking screw and can be ordered with either straight or 90 degree Neutrik 1/4" plugs. The cable is canare. super high end. I'd emailed them about the stock cable being a deal-breaker for the "Eric Johnson" types who recoil in horror at molded cables, and the problems they have. The stock cable is custom made by Hosa and I believe the upgrades are also custom made by them. FYI the upgrade cables just started shipping 3 weeks ago,and are a worthy investment.

[guitardoc64]

Guitardoc, where did you order the upgrade cable and how much? X2 told me to call one of their dealers and the ones I've tried don't know anything about it.

The store I work in is a X2 dealer. I'd be happy to hook you up(pun intended)

I bought mine on a whim from American Musical as well. I've used it on gigs and it always works (so far), is small, the price is right, I can power it with a pedal power and to my ears, sounds as good as a high quality cable. Also, to my ears, adds a bit of high end. The only thing I don't like about it is the molded cable, but it looks like they have dealt with it.

In closing, old habits die hard. I never thought I would find a wireless that I would be completely satisfied with, but this one so far has it all for $350.00 which is less than some pedals I've purchased recently.

I agree, the price is so low that you almost expect it not to work, yet it has consistently out-performed units twice it's list price.

[guitardoc64]

how much is it? (too lazy to look up)
List is $499. It streets at about $350.

[guitardoc64]

has anyone ever run one of these units from their pedals to their amp(s)? i'm wondering if you could do a tandem setup and be totally wireless (except for a power cord)?

i've got next to zero experience with wireless units so pardon me if this is a ridiculous question...but the ramifications could be really cool if it works!
It should work. The units would have to be on different channels, but it should work fine. The transmitter has an intentionally high headroom to work with basses with 18V preamps, so running it after a line of EFX shouldn't be a problem.

[trpullen]

I tried the X2 and found it to sound really good but very prone to dropout at anything more than 15-20 feet. I actually tried several units in different locations and found the same in all of them.

[guitardoc64]

I think the question is whether the wireless unit has MORE latency than a cord (as small as that is). I can't see why it would be significantly different, but I'm no expert here.

Exactly. there is really no audible latency or anything. It just sounds like a good cable. If I had to pick a brand it's somewhere between a 10' Planet Waves and a 10' Evidence Audio.

[celestion101]

You're talking about the IS400, right? You should be able to buy those for closer to $1,200. I owned one for less than a day. It was not all it was cracked up to be. The specs look good, but I was surprised that I was not able to get enough headroom out of it. I found myself having to trade off hiss against compression.

I've been tempted by the X2 which was announced at about the time I tried the IS400. But my experiences with the "professional" IS400 lead me to believe that my ears are just too picky for a wireless.

It is the IS400 and it sounds like we're just having a different experience. Steve is a tone nut and I have no regrets on taking his advice, though this X2 seems interesting. With regard to price, I received a industry break so I'm not sure what they street for. I guess the $1800+ is list (rack version). Anyway, good luck.

[guitardoc64]

That's impossible. There has to be some latency unless we are going to ignore the laws of science. Whether it is noticeable or not is another story.
True, there's got to be a time factor for encode-decode. As a Technician, I know that there's some. I still don't hear it. I don't hear it when I'm playing plugged into an amp modeler, such as Line 6, or digital processor. I don't hear it in the digital recorders. Why should I expect to hear it from something that's only passing the signal from point a to point b. It's not turning the raw signal into a 412 Stack, it's not changing anything, so if anything, I'd imagine it's less than you don't hear when you're plugged into a Pod. Or a tube head and 412 cab, for that matter, since tube compression and clipping are due to the power circuitry's latency to respond when driven. It's called sag. Latency is there. You don't notice it, because of the natural latency of the travel time for sound over a given distance, versus the speed of light. Thanks for the question and counterpoint, but in personal experience with this system, I hear no latency.

[hottub]

the X2 rocks! used it on the last three gigs with no problems and couldn't tell that I wasn't using a cord. a great unit and so nice to have a little extra freedom to move around on stage!

[Monster Plexi]

I've got one of the Sennheiser Digital 1000 units. Based on my experiences, digital is a better way to go than the analog compander circuitry stuff. The Sennhesier is very cord-like compared to the analog units, however, one thing that I notice with the Sennheiser is a loss in high-end frequency response. The Sennheiser uses 16 bit A/D converters and, if my memory is correct, the high end frequency spec is 16k... and the slight high end loss/rolloff is noticable when compared to a cord.

In looking at the spec sheet on the X2, I am concerned how it would sound since it's high end frequency spec is reported to be only 12k. If you look at the plot, i drops off dramatically at 12k which means the highs roll off quicker.

I'd be curious to hear one in person and do some caomparing between it and the Sennheiser Digital 1000 unit. The X2 being 24 bit and so small in size is appealing, but I'd like to hear it in person to judge it's affect on tone given it's limited high end frequency response.

[Chadley]

I was not saying that you could hear the latency. But to say there is none in incorrect. The human ear can only began to notice latency at around 10 ms or so. Most A/D - D/A conversions will happen in less than 10 ms but once you add in any other pedals that go through this process (i.e. Line 6 DL4) or run into a guitar processor or even stand far enough away from your amp, it all begins to add up.

As far as analog cable goes, the latency is so miniscual that you would only begin to notice it with miles of cable.

[Andre357]

I tried the X2 and found it to sound really good but very prone to dropout at anything more than 15-20 feet. I actually tried several units in different locations and found the same in all of them.

This hasn't been my experience at all. I get a good 75 - 100 feet away with no problems.

I have walked all over bars ( to the other end and back ) with packed dance floors, tables, poles, etc....with no dropout and flawless performance.

I do keep the receiver on top of my amp ( 1x12 budda superdrive ) by the way. I dont keep it on the floor. Perhaps this helps.

But 15 - 20 feet ?? That does'nt sound right at all and is the opposite of the great performance I'm getting from mine.

[bluesdoc]

It's the first unit that I've bought that actually reacts to the guitars volume control (which I use a lot in a gig). This is critical because that is where many units fail (they mud up, lose highs, etc.). Does the X2 react to the volume knob as if it was plugged direct with a chord?

To re-ask Rick's question - specifically is it exactly like a cord when you dial your guitar's volume way down? I have the Shure SLX and it's a great sounding unit EXCEPT you lose so much signal when you turn your guitar down, it's a major compromise. If this solves this problem, I'm in! :-)

btw, I had the original XWire and it was great except for interference with airport frequencies. We did a gig in Monterey some years back and we were too close to their little airport. Took awhile to figure out what was wrong as we all used the xwire. We had to switch to cords that night.

jon

[bailnout]

I was not saying that you could hear the latency. But to say there is none in incorrect. The human ear can only began to notice latency at around 10 ms or so. Most A/D - D/A conversions will happen in less than 10 ms but once you add in any other pedals that go through this process (i.e. Line 6 DL4) or run into a guitar processor or even stand far enough away from your amp, it all begins to add up.

As far as analog cable goes, the latency is so miniscual that you would only begin to notice it with miles of cable.

And don't forget that the farther away from your amp you are, the longer it takes for the sound to go from the speaker to your ear. That's latency too!

[1kidc]

Wow, sounds tres cool. Just ordered one from moho mods on ebay for $349 and free shipping... Really looking forward to checking it out...

[jdzialak]

I've had one for about 2 weeks. I barely notice any difference between the X2 and a cable.
I even recorded some clips to compare.

Evidence Lyric HG
http://www.evesappleband.com/jdzialak/Clips/Classic.mp3

x2
http://www.evesappleband.com/jdzialak/Clips/ClassicW.mp3

I haven't had any dropout problems or static interference at the 2 gigs I did with it.

Joe

[TieDyedDevil]

This hasn't been my experience at all. I get a good 75 - 100 feet away with no problems.

I have walked all over bars ( to the other end and back ) with packed dance floors, tables, poles, etc....with no dropout and flawless performance.

I do keep the receiver on top of my amp ( 1x12 budda superdrive ) by the way. I dont keep it on the floor. Perhaps this helps.

But 15 - 20 feet ?? That does'nt sound right at all and is the opposite of the great performance I'm getting from mine.


Well, the X2 works in the 900 MHz band which is very crowded with all kinds of RF devices. I'd strongly suspect that one's experience with dropouts would depend upon how busy the spectrum is in the location where the X2 operates.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know without trying. Don't get married to something like the X2 that operates on frequencies where you can't do anything about the interference, because you will run into environments where it just won't work reliably.

[Andre357]

Well, the X2 works in the 900 MHz band which is very crowded with all kinds of RF devices. I'd strongly suspect that one's experience with dropouts would depend upon how busy the spectrum is in the location where the X2 operates.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know without trying. Don't get married to something like the X2 that operates on frequencies where you can't do anything about the interference, because you will run into environments where it just won't work reliably.

I gig three -four times a week. I've already used it in 4 - 5 different states. Over the last two weeks played 3 diifferent casino/resorts in Arizona and Vegas ( I'm based in New England )....

Have not had a hint of interference yet for what it's worth. Just flawless perfomance.

[Chadley]

And don't forget that the farther away from your amp you are, the longer it takes for the sound to go from the speaker to your ear. That's latency too!

Yeah, but different kind.

I am not saying I don't want one. Trust me. If it sounds as good as everyone says it does at that price, it will be hard to pass up.

[Jeremy]

Sounds like a very cool unit. I've been looking at getting a wireless for some time now and these do sound very promising!! And I can have the Flatliner power it...... perfect.:)

[Stanley]

Sounds like a very cool unit. I've been looking at getting a wireless for some time now and these do sound very promising!! And I can have the Flatliner power it...... perfect.:)

Me too - sounds too good to be true!

[sinasl1]

It does sound great- but-

packs are pretty damn flimsy - I have 3 backups- (I had one go out on me in baltimore at a gig and create a 1/2 song of chaos and confusion for my tech, haha)... also, one pack developed an issue where we couldn't turn it off- we had to remove the battery to power it down- pretty sketchy.

they do have dropout issues- at more than 15 or 20 feet. I have had this occur just about everywhere we've used the unit. Our bass player is using it too- same deal. We both have the reciever unit on our pedalboards- maybe if it were up higher it might work better- but that seems like a big tradeoff to me. It's not horrible, I can live with a few millisecond dropouts every night, which is what happens when I'm onstage, but there's no way you could run around the bar playing guitar antics or anything like that, it drops out like crazy as soon as you get more than 20 feet from the stage.

Overall, I give it good marks, they just need to iron out some bugs.

[waxnsteel]

I have a Sennheiser ew100 set(also in the same price range as the X-wire), and I think it sounds great. Amps/pedals still respond to the volume knob as they did with a cable, metal transmitter and receiver. Haven't played in a situation where I'd go wireless in a long time, but wouldn't hesitate to use this system. Now, my old Samson unit gave me fits...

[MaxBoogie]

has anyone ever run one of these units from their pedals to their amp(s)? i'm wondering if you could do a tandem setup and be totally wireless (except for a power cord)?


Ha ha, that's the first thing I thought of! Wireless from guitar to pedalboard, and again from pedalboard to amp... Wow, talk about freedom!

[JoeB63]

It does sound great- but-

packs are pretty damn flimsy - I have 3 backups- (I had one go out on me in baltimore at a gig and create a 1/2 song of chaos and confusion for my tech, haha)... also, one pack developed an issue where we couldn't turn it off- we had to remove the battery to power it down- pretty sketchy.

they do have dropout issues- at more than 15 or 20 feet. I have had this occur just about everywhere we've used the unit. Our bass player is using it too- same deal. We both have the reciever unit on our pedalboards- maybe if it were up higher it might work better- but that seems like a big tradeoff to me. It's not horrible, I can live with a few millisecond dropouts every night, which is what happens when I'm onstage, but there's no way you could run around the bar playing guitar antics or anything like that, it drops out like crazy as soon as you get more than 20 feet from the stage.

Overall, I give it good marks, they just need to iron out some bugs.

Thanks for that real-world-based advice. It sounds like it might be worth waiting for a future "Pro" version.

[guitardoc64]

[quote=Monster Plexi;2446606]I've got one of the Sennheiser Digital 1000 units. Based on my experiences, digital is a better way to go than the analog compander circuitry stuff. The Sennhesier is very cord-like compared to the analog units, however, one thing that I notice with the Sennheiser is a loss in high-end frequency response. The Sennheiser uses 16 bit A/D converters and, if my memory is correct, the high end frequency spec is 16k... and the slight high end loss/rolloff is noticable when compared to a cord.

In looking at the spec sheet on the X2, I am concerned how it would sound since it's high end frequency spec is reported to be only 12k. If you look at the plot, i drops off dramatically at 12k which means the highs roll off quicker.

I don't think you'll notice, and BTW the X2 has a second full range output on it's TRS output. If you plug in just to the first click you'll get the full signal without the "cord simulated" output with the high roll off. If you look at the frequency reponse of guitar amps and speakers 12K is well above the cutoff of most 12" speakers, which top out at 5 or 6KHZ

[waxnsteel]

I don't think you'll notice, and BTW the X2 has a second full range output on it's TRS output. If you plug in just to the first click you'll get the full signal without the "cord simulated" output with the high roll off. If you look at the frequency reponse of guitar amps and speakers 12K is well above the cutoff of most 12" speakers, which top out at 5 or 6KHZ

The wireless unit has to reproduce the guitar/pickup frequency spectrum, not the amp's. Not sure that would make a real world difference. I've never looked up frequency responses of pickups. If the pickups are producing frequencies that the amp can't exactly reproduce, that doesn't necessarily mean that it won't affect the result. The amp will respond to frequencies >6khz even if it doesn't sound it exactly the way it comes in.

[guitardoc64]

Ok, Ive seen some questions and a LOT of argumentative posts about the X2's latency, frequency response, output impedance or whatever insignificant details that make no real-world difference. It seems that some have gotten caught up in focusing on the details, and not seeing the big picture.I am relating my personal experience with a new product. If you want to argue about bitrates, please feel free to do so if that's what you want to focus on. Meanwhile, I'll be playing the New Orleans Jazzfest this Saturday with my new X2 wireless, which by the way sounds just like a cord.

[Chadley]

Dang, I didn't know anyone was arguing.:jo

Things like A/D conversion are important, but not a deal breaker of course. If it sounds like a cord, cool!

[WKG]

I picked up one of these a few weeks ago. I agree, almost indistinguishable from cords, I usually use George L's. I've got it on the pedal board and have noticed some slight dropouts around 70'. My board sits right behind a monitor and my power supply is right in front of the X2. I've gotten great reception through up to 4 walls and begin noticing dropouts only when I get distance and something metal between me and the receiver. I am thinking the power supply/speaker basket/magnet is interfering, that's usually when I notice it. I think I'll try getting it up off the floor and see what happens, the manual does recommend line of sight.

Other than that it's great.

[Alias Archtop]

so which cord does it sound like: A $15 cheapo or a $300 Evidence Plus?

TGP taught me that all cords sound different.

hehe...my thoughts exactly

[Thazy]

Range is 150' max. line of sight to the reciever helps. all this info is on the website(see my first post) The upgrade cable has a gold-plated 1/8"TRS with locking screw and can be ordered with either straight or 90 degree Neutrik 1/4" plugs. The cable is canare. super high end. I'd emailed them about the stock cable being a deal-breaker for the "Eric Johnson" types who recoil in horror at molded cables, and the problems they have. The stock cable is custom made by Hosa and I believe the upgrades are also custom made by them. FYI the upgrade cables just started shipping 3 weeks ago,and are a worthy
investment.


Thanks guitardoc for the reply. This may be a silly question but, does it come with any cable or do you have to purchase it in addition? I know some wireless unit make you do that. Also, can you get the upgraded cable from them and how much was it? Thanks again.

[guitardoc64]

Thanks guitardoc for the reply. This may be a silly question but, does it come with any cable or do you have to purchase it in addition? I know some wireless unit make you do that. Also, can you get the upgraded cable from them and how much was it? Thanks again.

The X2 comes with a cable, but it's a molded end 1/4" to1/8" TRS. Kind of cheesy. The upgrade is about $39 street,more for the right-angle(about $45)

[waxnsteel]

Ok, Ive seen some questions and a LOT of argumentative posts
I didn't read any that seemed to be argumentative. Saw a lot of questions, experiences, even information. Not arguments. We even had a clip (good one, too, though vol. knob response would have been cool to show off). I haven't seen a single post that says it can't or doesn't sound good.

[gag halfrunt]

Ok, Ive seen some questions and a LOT of argumentative posts about the X2's latency, frequency response, output impedance or whatever insignificant details that make no real-world difference. It seems that some have gotten caught up in focusing on the details, and not seeing the big picture.I am relating my personal experience with a new product. If you want to argue about bitrates, please feel free to do so if that's what you want to focus on. Meanwhile, I'll be playing the New Orleans Jazzfest this Saturday with my new X2 wireless, which by the way sounds just like a cord.
LOL! Well said, guiitardoc :AOK

Thanks for the real-world review of the product. I have just purchased one from American Musical, and will post my live playing experience with it here (including a side by side cord comparison of volume knob rollback).

Good luck at the NO Jazzfest, bro!:BluesBros

[muddy]

"looks like a pump, feels like a sneaker..."


ml

[guitardoc64]

I didn't read any that seemed to be argumentative. Saw a lot of questions, experiences, even information. Not arguments. We even had a clip (good one, too, though vol. knob response would have been cool to show off). I haven't seen a single post that says it can't or doesn't sound good.
Ok, maybe I misread/interpretd, but it seemed that focusing on the latency,frequency response, etc was going a little too far into the "Eveready Vs Duracell" type of thinking.
In answer to the volume control response, it's exactly like a cord, since there is no compression/expansion circuit(which in conventional wirelesses, reduces the volume control to a rotary on-off switch) It just sounds really natural.

[WKG]

I am a constant volume knob twiddler and haven't noticed any difference between the X2 and a cord.

[mindseye]

What's up Fellow Gear nerds!
Time for a point of view from a bass player!

I bought my X2 from the store that guitardoc64 works at.
I think i was the first one to buy and use it live in our town.

As a bass player i have tried every wireless system under the sun.
Every last one of them has sucked........... PERIOD!
A few of them have sounded OK pluged straight in but as soon as i tried any kind a pedals inline with them....MAJOR SUCKAGE! Expecialy OD's and distortion pedals, and to sum this up... I live for OD and distorted bass tones.

THE WIRELESS GODS HAVE SMILED OPON ME!!!
The X2 has ended my search for a wireless system!
Guitardoc called me the day they recived the X2's in so i left early from the day job to go check this thing out, my hopes were really high but i was ready for another let down like every other system i have tried.
Got this baby home warmed up the tubes in the old SVT and fired it up!!WOW!! my first thought was OMFG i have finaly found my wireless freedom ............but it still had to pass the most important test, my od and distortion pedals !........walked up to my fulltone bass driver stomped the switch...........awesome! no diference in tone NONE!!!!!!
THE SEARCH IS OVER FOR ME!

For the hell of it i did some recording test next ....Recorded a line pluged in with a 6' PW cord paned it left, recorded the same line threw the X2 paned it right....You can not tell the two apart....well thats kinda a lie the X2'ed track was actualy less noisey than the pluged direct in track and what i mean by less noisey is that there was no noise!

I have used mine on 8 gigs so far and it has worked and sounded flawless!
I'm even in the process of recording our new cd with it and love the stero output on the reciver because i can run to my amp and directly to the board at the same time with no extra equipment!

I you want a no nonsence, easy to use and afordable wireless system that sounds like a cord do yourself a favor and check one of these out!

[StompBoxBlues]

If you guys aren't shills (and I trust you aren't!) you really got me jonesing here. I never really considered a wireless system, but now, I'm thinking how much nicer it would be not to get tangled up in cords....

Just to make sure I understand though, it's just the X2 Digital Wireless...I mean, there are no versions of it that are worse, etc. right? Earlier models with the same name?

[guitardoc64]

What's up Fellow Gear nerds!
Time for a point of view from a bass player!

I bought my X2 from the store that guitardoc64 works at.
I think i was the first one to buy and use it live in our town.

Thanks for the plug!!!

As a bass player i have tried every wireless system under the sun.
Every last one of them has sucked........... PERIOD!
A few of them have sounded OK pluged straight in but as soon as i tried any kind a pedals inline with them....MAJOR SUCKAGE! Expecialy OD's and distortion pedals, and to sum this up... I live for OD and distorted bass tones.

THE WIRELESS GODS HAVE SMILED OPON ME!!!
The X2 has ended my search for a wireless system!
Guitardoc called me the day they recived the X2's in so i left early from the day job to go check this thing out, my hopes were really high but i was ready for another let down like every other system i have tried.
Got this baby home warmed up the tubes in the old SVT and fired it up!!WOW!! my first thought was OMFG i have finaly found my wireless freedom ............but it still had to pass the most important test, my od and distortion pedals !........walked up to my fulltone bass driver stomped the switch...........awesome! no diference in tone NONE!!!!!!
THE SEARCH IS OVER FOR ME!

For the hell of it i did some recording test next ....Recorded a line pluged in with a 6' PW cord paned it left, recorded the same line threw the X2 paned it right....You can not tell the two apart....well thats kinda a lie the X2'ed track was actualy less noisey than the pluged direct in track and what i mean by less noisey is that there was no noise!

I have used mine on 8 gigs so far and it has worked and sounded flawless!
I'm even in the process of recording our new cd with it and love the stero output on the reciver because i can run to my amp and directly to the board at the same time with no extra equipment!

I you want a no nonsence, easy to use and afordable wireless system that sounds like a cord do yourself a favor and check one of these out!
Yes the X2 is da shiznit!:JAM

[gtr777]

are there any wireless solutions for a guitar with a stereo output? I would love to be wireless but I have a power bridge on my les paul and with one band I play with it's kind of essential for filling out the sound...

[the_Chris]

So let me get this straight, it's wireless, but at just 20' it starts "dropping out"? To me, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of "wireless". I could see 60' or so causing issues, but at 20' you might as well use a regular guitar cord, no? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd be disappointed in being limited to 20'.

[waxnsteel]

Here's my Sennheiser clip again. Just cause I like it.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=420709

It's the one marked "wireless."

[Alias Archtop]

Yes the X2 is da shiznit!:JAM

yeah I just got one a few days ago.

after a few days of experimenting I've decided that it really does kick arse. Tried through all of my tube amps, active and passive guitars, active and passive basses into SVTs...it handled everything with no problems.

Sounds great, never dropped out or had any weirdness EVER. So nice not to hear any companding for a change.

I think it sounds like a high quality cable. It feels and responds very well...goes great with a volume knob.

For $350...it's a steal compared to the other wireless units I've tried.

There maybe problems that I'm not yet aware of...but so far...it's workin great

[Alias Archtop]

So let me get this straight, it's wireless, but at just 20' it starts "dropping out"? To me, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of "wireless".

I plugged it into my bass....and then into an SVT stack...walked all over my house...outside...across the steet...down the street a bit and it never cut out.

My buddy stood right next to the SVT (the whole time I was wandering around) and he said it sounded the same the whole time...no cutouts...not drops..nothin

Who knows? There could be problems at actual gigs/ venues/ real life situations...but it passed my little home test with flying colors

[sosomething]

The real question here is:

Will it re-grow hair??

Does it remove stains without scrubbing??

Will it balance my Chi??

Can it cut through a cement block and never need sharpened??

Will it help me apply for obscure government grants??

Will enhance that certain special part of the male anatomy??

INQUIRING MINDS MUST KNOW!

[gag halfrunt]

The real question here is:

Will it re-grow hair??

Does it remove stains without scrubbing??

Will it balance my Chi??

Can it cut through a cement block and never need sharpened??

Will it help me apply for obscure government grants??

Will enhance that certain special part of the male anatomy??

INQUIRING MINDS MUST KNOW!
LOL!

[Hugh DaMann]

I find it interesting that their spec sheet doesn't list sampling frequency. That said, I have a good friend who is probably the most respected live sound mixer in the world (I'm not overhyping here) and he said he thought it sounded great. I only bring up the sampling frequency as it is directly related to latency. Assuming it is sampling at 48kHz, the minimum latency will be 2.2mS for the A/D-D/A conversion -- which would be unnoticeable to the ear. Going wireless to the pedalboard and then wireless again to the amp, as someone mentioned earier in this thread, would double the latency and might be noticed by the player. Plus, I'm personally for using as little wireless on the stage as needed. It's an RF jungle out there!

That said, I really want to try an X2! I need my Chi balanced and my stains removed.

[Webfoot]

Sounds good and the drops out are probably related to where you place the receiver.

What I am curious about is channel selection or interference. Is this a non-issue? Or if multiple X2s on a stage... also a non-issue?

[StompBoxBlues]

Guys...I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on it...the thing is, I live in Norway so I have to know is there any AC power supply/recharger, whatever that would make it dependant on getting 110Vac?
Or does it run off batteries (well...I am guessing the sender runs off batteries...D'OH...what would be the point of having no cord, but having to plug into an outlet, heh..:jo ) just mainly wondering if there is any AC plug involved in any of the pieces?

THanks!
Oh yeah...just to be sure, there are no earlier versions that don't work as well that have the same basic name?
The one you all are talking about is the X2 XDS95?

[WKG]

X2 has an adapter they sell. I have been using a One Spot adapter for the receiver. It has automatic voltage conversion so I suppose you could use it anywhere.

MF has it here, http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Visual-Sound-1-SPOT-SpaceSaving-9V-Adapter?sku=151686

It is the X2 XDS95, they only have one model at the moment.

[guitardoc64]

Sounds good and the drops out are probably related to where you place the receiver.

What I am curious about is channel selection or interference. Is this a non-issue? Or if multiple X2s on a stage... also a non-issue?

The X2 is a 5 channel unit. As long as they are set to different channels multiple units shouldn't be a problem.

[guitardoc64]

If you guys aren't shills (and I trust you aren't!) you really got me jonesing here. I never really considered a wireless system, but now, I'm thinking how much nicer it would be not to get tangled up in cords....

Just to make sure I understand though, it's just the X2 Digital Wireless...I mean, there are no versions of it that are worse, etc. right? Earlier models with the same name?

The closest thing to an earlier model would be the X-Wire or the Sennheiser Digital stuff. The new X2 is the result of ten years of re-design and research.

[guitardoc64]

Guys...I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on it...the thing is, I live in Norway so I have to know is there any AC power supply/recharger, whatever that would make it dependant on getting 110Vac?
Or does it run off batteries (well...I am guessing the sender runs off batteries...D'OH...what would be the point of having no cord, but having to plug into an outlet, heh..:jo ) just mainly wondering if there is any AC plug involved in any of the pieces?

THanks!
Oh yeah...just to be sure, there are no earlier versions that don't work as well that have the same basic name?
The one you all are talking about is the X2 XDS95?

Yes it's the XDS95. It's reciever is compatible with Boss PSA adapters and any center-negative 9V power supply, in addition to running on batteries.

[StompBoxBlues]

Yes it's the XDS95. It's reciever is compatible with Boss PSA adapters and any center-negative 9V power supply, in addition to running on batteries.

Thanks. I have a "contact us" email into them now after I went to the FAQ on their site, and it mentions something about "currently only licensed for use in US, South America, and " somewhere else...canada maybe.
The FAQ question being "answered" was whether it could be shipped to the UK. I live in Norway, don't know if this is a norwegian equivalent of FCC regulations, or what. Hope to get an answer soon.

[Thazy]

I just got my X2 today. Yes it really does like a cord, no bull. Yes, it drops out but, only after I went from my basement, up the stairs, out into my garage and around another brickwall. Dropouts are to be expected under those conditions. I will get to try it out this weekend but, very nice indeed. Highly recommended. Did anyone mention it is made in the USA???

[Anywho]

I got an X2 recently, my first wireless, and for the most part it seems really great but it doesn't seem to get along with my fuzz/octavia real well. I also noticed it adds alot of hum when I click the fuzz on. Its a SIB nick nitro and I was really digging it, but its not so hot with the X2. I had to back off on the settings to minimize the hum. It really seems to add more crackle to the fuzz and I have to play very controlled as any ambient string noise or even a slide down the neck really mucked things up with the octavia. Anybody maybe have some tips on this or is it just the way it is to go wireless?

[travis_38]

Has anyone opened the receiver to see if there is any way of adding an antenna?

[gag halfrunt]

Well, I got my X2 about a week ago. I ordered it from American Musical Supply, because they automatically add a year to the manufacturer's warranty. I've never had to try out their warranty extension, so I don't know if it's just hype or not, but I like the idea.

Anyway, I tried it at several practices, and one four hour gig this weekend, and it was great. I used it on channel 3 (out of 5) and had no interference/dropout problems. There was no perceptible latency, and it really sounded great. I was able to roll off the volume without it killing the tone or robbing highs. However, using the X2 did seem to increase the gain slightly. That may be what caused the problem with Anywho's fuzz. I was using EMG active pickups, so maybe the combination of them with the X2 was just a little much. It wasn't a huge gain increase, just enough to notice if you've got the discerning ears of a TGP-er :rotflmao

One other small complaint is in the design of the battery strength LED indicator. The X2 uses the same bank of 5 LEDs for channel indicator and battery strength. It alternates flashing one of the LED's blue (to indicate channel), and flashing one of the LEDs red (for battery strength). Instead of using an increasing number of LEDs to show a stronger battery level, only one LED lights up, in a different position depending on the actual battery strength. The problem is that when looking at the transmitter (it’s often upside down as it hangs from your strap), it’s EASY to misread the indicator. I went on stage this weekend, and at first read it wrong. Thankfully, I took a second glance and realized it was almost out of power. It could have been REALLY embarrassing to run out in the middle of a song.

Overall, a great piece of gear, and well worth the $350 I paid for it.

[Alias Archtop]

However, using the X2 did seem to increase the gain slightly. That may be what caused the problem with Anywho's fuzz. I was using EMG active pickups, so maybe the combination of them with the X2 was just a little much. It wasn't a huge gain increase, just enough to notice if you've got the discerning ears of a TGP-er :rotflmao



I had the same experience when running my emg filled guitars with the x2. The problem was solved by adding a longer cable between the x2 reciever and the amp. I experimented until I found just the right length of cable to darken the tone a bit, take off some of the edge, and still maintain a great response.

Just saying....it might be worth a try to use a longer cable. I found that the x2 in combination with a 10-20 foot instrument cable is the best damn wireless sound I've ever found in my life.

[Thazy]

I used my X2 this weekend at a show we did for 1200 people at a large hotel ballroom. Sounded great and was able to go far but, I was using a One Spot to power it and it was pretty noisey. On one of the breaks, I pulled the One Spot out and plugged it into the 8th input of my Pedal Plus II. Worked for awhile and then cut out real bad. Had to finish the gig with a cord. I am pretty sure that the Pedal Plus was not suppling enough power to the reciever and what was happening was the battery in it was dying. I took a PSA style power supply and tried it at home and the dropout was gone. The X2 seems to be rather fussy about what powers it but, when it gets what it needs, it really does sound good.

[gag halfrunt]

I had the same experience when running my emg filled guitars with the x2. The problem was solved by adding a longer cable between the x2 reciever and the amp. I experimented until I found just the right length of cable to darken the tone a bit, take off some of the edge, and still maintain a great response.

Just saying....it might be worth a try to use a longer cable. I found that the x2 in combination with a 10-20 foot instrument cable is the best damn wireless sound I've ever found in my life.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one experiencing this! But I'm already using a 20' cable between my pedalboard (which contains the X2) and my head. Maybe I need a 40' cable :o Just kidding.

But like I said, overall, this thing is a killer unit. I love it, and can't imagine ever going back to a cable on stage. And it's not just to go walkabout - some of the stages I play on are pretty small, and I'm clumsy enough to get tangled up in my cords pretty easily.:eek:

[Alias Archtop]

Maybe I need a 40' cable :o Just kidding.



I've read that certain big-time famous pro players have worn backpacks filled with 50 feet of cable to go between their guitar and transmitter to get the right sound out of their wireless. At first I thought it was a joke...but now I'm starting to understand :)

[Dickie Fredericks]

Got mine ordered today. Will be here Friday. Ill let you know....

Didnt buy the upgrade cable yet. But I plan to...

[Pa'ani]

On advice from Steve Stevens I bought a Letrosonics unit which I love. It's the first unit that I've bought that actually reacts to the guitars volume control (which I use a lot in a gig). This is critical because that is where many units fail (they mud up, lose highs, etc.). Does the X2 react to the volume knob as if it was plugged direct with a chord? The Lectrosonics is near $2k on the street and I would be tempted to use one of these when I do not take my rack (wireless is in with GCX pedal swithcing rig).

I too have been fortunate owning a Lectrosonic IS-400 Wireless, have been using it for about a year now.
Nothing but praises and totally digging the great tone and it's built like a tank!
It works for me...

[Anywho]

+1 on the slightly added gain
When I mentioned the noise I was powering the receiver with a one spot. Last night I just used batteries and noticed the hum went down, so maybe they are picky about power supplies. Next time I will use the one spot and try unplugging each pedal one at a time to see if it isn't liking one of the pedals.
I also notice a touch of added brightness, but it is very slight and something I've decided I could live with. I bet the extra length of cord could knock it back down for more discerning artists.
All nitpicking aside, it really is a great wireless unit and I have enjoyed owning it thus far. If I can get the dc power hum issue resolved I'm set.

[Andre357]

Does anyone know where you can buy online the upgraded cables yet ?

I've been looking and haven't found them yet for sale.

By the way - I love my X2 !! I've been gigging with it 2 - 3 times a week since I bought it about 3 months ago and it has been flawless and sounds fantastic !

[Thazy]

Been using my X2 for a few weekends now and here are a couple things I tried that helped with some of the issues described.

I tried the longer cable between the wireless reciever and my pedalboard and it worked as others have found. The X2 does bump the gain up a bit and some OD pedals did react differently but, put a 20 foot cord between the reciever and the pedalboard and it helped.

Having the reciever away from the same AC outlet that my pedalboard uses also helped with my noise issue. I could use a One Spot with no added noise that I could tell.

Having the reciever higher also aided in how well the reciever worked with the transmitter. No dropouts when it was about 3 feet off of the ground that I could tell.

If someone finds where the upgraded cables are, could it please be posted. I would like to get one too and keep the other one as a backup. Thanks.

[waxnsteel]

Any of you guys think of trying a Radial dragster instead of a bunch of extra cable? Though, I won't argue keeping a cable attached to the receiver would make the switch to a cable very easy in the event you had wireless problems, the dragster seems to be the tool made for the job, and it's pretty small.

[George Adelson]

Bananas in San Rafael has them for like $50.00 or so. Got mine there.

[moleman462]

You can get the upgraded right angled cable at 8th street music.com
Mine just arrived today, but I'm still at work.

I used the X2 last week at a gig, and a few times at rehearsal, and I love it.

I also own the senn digital 1000 which I had been using with my rack set up. They sound very similar to me. Very much like when I use a cable. However, the pedalboard mountability of the X2 really appeals to me. Also, battery life is much better on the X2 than the Senn.

In contrast, I used to use a samson synth32, which cost me as much as the X2, and it sucked big time! Bad sound quality, not realiable.

My only complaint about the X2 is the plastic casing. I could probably break the body pack pretty easily, so I'll try not too. Also, it doesn't come with an AC power supply, only two 9 V batteries.

[WKG]

If someone finds where the upgraded cables are, could it please be posted. I would like to get one too and keep the other one as a backup. Thanks.

I picked up a few of the CI-1R Pro Sennheiser cables from http://www.toursupply.com/ They are Mogami/Switchcraft.

There's a short thread here, http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=251874&highlight=wireless

They work fine with my X2 and are much better than the stock cables. I e-mailed X2 just to make sure. Cost about 35.00 or so.

[guitardoc64]

My only complaint about the X2 is the plastic casing. I could probably break the body pack pretty easily, so I'll try not too. Also, it doesn't come with an AC power supply, only two 9 V batteries.[/quote]

According to X2, the plastic case was tested and supported 300 pounds with no problem. It is also necessary as the antennas are internal and a metal case would require an external. Small complaint, really as 99% of the other companies (Samson, Shure, Telex, etc) use plastic cases that are actually made with thinner walls and nobody complains about that.
I have suggested a few improvements for the design, and also suggested to just include the upgrade cable and power supply. They replied that those inclusions would raise the price of the unit due to the additional cost. I emailed back that a $40-$60 increase in the price would not be too big of a deal as the better cable and included power supply would be worth a small increase in price. My first email to them was about the stock cable with it's molded ends. I told them that might be a deal-breaker for the players like myself that have a healthy disrespect for molded cables. I never used the stock cable, and frankly don't even have a clue where it is! LOL!
It's a new product, research and development is going on and they are seriously listening to our feedback and suggestions to incorporate in future designs. I can't wait to see what's coming next!

[Alias Archtop]

I have suggested a few improvements for the design, and also suggested to just include the upgrade cable and power supply. They replied that those inclusions would raise the price of the unit due to the additional cost. I emailed back that a $40-$60 increase in the price would not be too big of a deal as the better cable and included power supply would be worth a small increase in price.

Yeah, that makes sense that they are trying to keep the price under 400 dollars. I bet that the majority of people who buy wireless won't spend more than about $350ish.

But you're definately right, it would be nice if the plastic casing was better.

[travis_38]

I just got mine yesterday (AMS got mine to me OVERNIGHT with my free ground FedEx). I LOVE it. I've dreamt of wireless freedom for a while and just never jumped on due to all the negative comments I've heard about signal loss. I still have the stock cable, and my guitar's (us deluxe tele) jack plate is picky about right angle plugs, so I thought I would try to solder a mogami (which I know fits) to the stock molded cable. Anyone have any luck with this?

[WrapAround]

I've had one for about 2 weeks. I barely notice any difference between the X2 and a cable.
I even recorded some clips to compare.

Evidence Lyric HG
http://www.evesappleband.com/jdzialak/Clips/Classic.mp3

x2
http://www.evesappleband.com/jdzialak/Clips/ClassicW.mp3

I haven't had any dropout problems or static interference at the 2 gigs I did with it.

Joe

Based solely on these clips, the first one (marked as Evidence Lyric HG) sounds much fuller with nicer topend. I used a pair of Audix A1 NFMs and RA100 for the playback.

[moleman462]

I figured the plastic was due to the internal antenna.
I'm sure it will be fine, but I will definitely be careful with it, as I am with all my gear.
The Sennheiser digital 1000 case in comparison seems a lot tougher, but it also has that stupid wimpy external antenna on the body pack that could possibly break.

Got my right angle cable yesterday, and it looks high quality. Haven't had a chance to play throug it yet though.

All in all, I am very happy with the X2.

[Dickie Fredericks]

Got it yesterday and used it on a marathon 8 hour rehearsal last night. The sound is everything it has been said to be. It really is like a cable. I could not hear a difference in my sound at all.

Now for the bad part. I had 3 dropouts and was on channel 3. The receiver was on my board and the transmitter was in my back pocket. I was standing in front of the board all 3 times when it happened.

They were ever so slight and no one in the band even noticed. I noticed though. I did manage to go a pretty fair distance with it and went behind walls and stuff and it never cut out on those attempts to make it do so.

Ive got a show today and then rehearsal tonight so we'll see whats up. I may move it to the top of the amp and run a cable up to the board in the snake.

[Dickie Fredericks]

Left the receiver on the board and did a long day Saturday. One show for some sponsors and then a rehearsal. No dropouts and everything worked as it should sounded great.

Now I hope it works wonderfully for Nashville this week.

[Alias Archtop]

Now I hope it works wonderfully for Nashville this week.

Thanks for the info. Please keep us updated. I'd really like to know how the x2 sizes up for your other shows

[mindseye]

I've played about 20 shows across Texas and LA now and havent hadd a drop out yet! Still loven mine!
Hands down best piece of gear i've bought in years!

[iluvstrats]

I did two outdoor shows this weekend and started out each set using the x2. Each show I had to quit using it after the first song because of drop outs. I was standing right next to it and tried different channels but it was kind of like a skipping record.

Kind of a bummer because it does sound good but I can't trust it.

I think it's going back.

[Dickie Fredericks]

Id take it back. I used mine again last night at rehearsal and had one dropout. Very quick but I noticed it. Now I havent had this problem anywhere else so I am guessing it is the RF from the 20 something giant lights that hang 25 feet in the air where we rehearse which is a building that is maybe 80 x 40 w/ 25' ceilings.

Thats the only explanation I have for it cause its flawless anywhere else and.....It sounds great.

[StompBoxBlues]

Id take it back. I used mine again last night at rehearsal and had one dropout. Very quick but I noticed it. Now I havent had this problem anywhere else so I am guessing it is the RF from the 20 something giant lights that hang 25 feet in the air where we rehearse which is a building that is maybe 80 x 40 w/ 25' ceilings.

Thats the only explanation I have for it cause its flawless anywhere else and.....It sounds great.

Aren't there 5 channels on the X2 to choose from? Any luck changing sender/receiver to another channel?

[Dickie Fredericks]

Aren't there 5 channels on the X2 to choose from? Any luck changing sender/receiver to another channel?

Well, no I didnt change channels this time cause it does it on any channel. Its just that room. Has to be.


FWIW, the dropout wasnt bad enought to make me take it back. I love it. The best wireless Ive ever encountered.

[StompBoxBlues]

Well, no I didnt change channels this time cause it does it on any channel. Its just that room. Has to be.


FWIW, the dropout wasnt bad enought to make me take it back. I love it. The best wireless Ive ever encountered.

You have to excuse me, I only know about "general" send/receive kinda units (I just yesterday ordered an X2) but I thought the point with having different channels is that while there may be congestion on a certain band, you may be able to move over to an adjacent band, which could be less congested with interference.

It sure could be that the whole spectrum is "jammed" but that would mean someone wasn't complying with FCC regulations wouldn't it?

I'm just wondering, also guessing that the other point with different "bands" to pick from is if the guitarists all were using X2's, etc, but with wireless routers for example some bands just plain are stronger in certain areas and again, if a certain freq is getting interference a chance that one could pick another with less going on in it?

Is that not how it was supposed to work?

[Funky Monkey]

(Posted this in the dealer emporium on the sale thread, but I guess those get deleted after awhile. Got mine yesterday, 7/12...GREAT service and price from davec69, too, BTW.)

System sounds and performs A+. No perceptible latency and worked just fine through walls, floors and glass. Dropouts only after trying through a brick wall in the basement and turned away with the transmitter on my back. I don't anticipate ever being more than ~15' away and always line of sight, so I should never have an issue at a gig. Just not having a cable under my foot, wrapping around my leg, tangling up, yanking whatever it is plugged into, etc. is freedom enough for me. And for studio work when I'm engineering for myself, this will be awesome and save a TON of time!

I did get the upgraded rt-angle cable, but I honestly couldn't hear a difference so far between it and the stock molded one. I'm thinking that they're too short to significantly change effect the sound. The rt-angle was the main reason I wanted it, so I wasn't expecting a tonal difference. But I also cannot hear or feel a difference between the system and my Zaolla, Tara Labs or George L cables. I wanted to think that the cables allowed more presence than the wireless, but if that is true, by the time I unplugged the cable and plugged in the wireless (maybe 12 seconds?) any difference was small enough that I couldn't convince myself of it; I doubt if I could pick which was which if I had been blindfolded and somebody else was quickly switching between them. This was all at home, but at a decent enough level that I could hear the difference between my usual cables and a ProCo 15' and an old Monster Standard 100 21' (how was I able to like those for so long?!?)

This is just a guess, but I'm looking again at Peter Thorn's setup and I wonder if his initial report of dropouts had something to do with the receiver being right next to (maybe even touching) his power supply? Those Valvulator transfomers are fairly massive, and one I was trying long ago was powerful enough to screw with my old tuner when they were side-by-side. And whenever I'd bend down to tweak pedals, it caused major hum as my guitar got closer to it. The field that that thing puts out is probably equal to that of your average power station! Oh well, just a guess.

[frankencat]

I may have to try this out. I have been using a cable lately because I don't like the tone loss I get from the wireless. I have tried a bunch of them so I hope this is worth it.

[StompBoxBlues]

Mines HERE (but at the post office...which is closed :mad:)


Anyone have a brick? The "throw through the window" kind?

[Funky Monkey]

Mines HERE (but at the post office...which is closed :mad:)


Anyone have a brick? The "throw through the window" kind?

Mayberry, eh?
No bricks, but that lanky deputy has one bullet as is probably just gullible enough to be talked into using it on the door lock if'n you make up a real good story. Then you'd have your wireless and wouldn't have to spend the night in that cell on account of breakin' 'n enterin'. Then again, season 1, episode 3 was a durn good one! :D

[Seegs]

Based solely on these clips, the first one (marked as Evidence Lyric HG) sounds much fuller with nicer topend. I used a pair of Audix A1 NFMs and RA100 for the playback.

+1 with better string seperation...

Chow,
Seegs

[Zero]

I had some drop-out problems at my first gig but I think I had a bad channel.

[guitardoc64]

I had some drop-out problems at my first gig but I think I had a bad channel.

Probably so. Try powering up the reveiver holding down the channel select and power to get into the search mode. It will display "bad" channels with a red LED. choose a clean channel and all should be good. Another common mistake is to place the receiver too close. I found that there's an area direcly above the base that is a "blind spot" extending some 20-25" above the box. It's tiny but it does cause cutouts. X2 just rolled out a new rackmount receiver with external 1/2 wave antennas that doubles the range to 300' and addresses the dropouts. Cool thing is it is compatible with the XDS95 system transmitters so you wouldn't have to buy the whole thing over, you could just add on. Kind of cool, you could use the rack for gigs and the pedal for practice, studio,etc...

[dosmun]

They are now going for $299 at American Musical.

[guitardoc64]

They are now going for $299 at American Musical.
Yeah with the new rackmount coming out they lowered the MAP on the XDS95. It should start shipping out in the next few weeks.

[Zero]

anyone have experiences with the original Xwire? How does it compare to this X2. I've heard so much great stuff about the Xwire. I wonder if X2 is now servicing the Xwires.

[Ben Jam'n]

I had an Xwire...best wireless of the era. It had a poorly designed external antenna on the transmitter that invariably frayed...had to be sent back for repair everytime.

[Tommyv]

Just to let people know who are interested in buying this unit, the first one I received from AMS sounded very thin and I lost a lot of gain when playing with distortion, I sent it back and received a second unit which sounds great, very close to sounding like a cord. Hopefully this was an isolated problem, just wanted to mention it in case someone has a similar experience.

[guitardoc64]

:JAManyone have experiences with the original Xwire? How does it compare to this X2. I've heard so much great stuff about the Xwire. I wonder if X2 is now servicing the Xwires.

The original X-wire was a quantum leap forward in wireless technology, but had it's faults in the external antenna and some issues with the 1/4' jack on the transmitter, but it still has die-hard fans. The X2 is ten years more advanced in technology and in comparison is about like comparing a cell phone of today versus one of ten years ago. It is a quantum leap past the X-wire. I checked with X2, and they are not servicing the X-wire. I understand as a tech that some of the parts that may be needed to fix it are simply unavailable. With the new MAP of $299, the X2 could be cheaper than a repair bill and has a 2 year warranty. Hope I helped.

[Scott Peterson]

Ack - I just paid $325 last week for mine. Damn!

It does work, it does sound good. No complaints. But $26 is $26! :mad::D

[guitardoc64]

Ack - I just paid $325 last week for mine. Damn!

It does work, it does sound good. No complaints. But $26 is $26! :mad::D
Yeah that sucks, they just released the new map at summer NAMM with the debut of the new rack units, and some dealers are just getting word. I got our store in at the very beginning (My personal X2 is one of the first production run) and have kept in contact with them directly. I even knew about the new rack units and the changes to the MAP before our distributor rep did. You did get it for $25 LESS than the old MAP of $349.
Maybe I can get you a T-shirt or something.....

[Pa'ani]

Got to check one of these X-wire babys out.

[Zero]

:JAM

The original X-wire was a quantum leap forward in wireless technology, but had it's faults in the external antenna and some issues with the 1/4' jack on the transmitter, but it still has die-hard fans. The X2 is ten years more advanced in technology and in comparison is about like comparing a cell phone of today versus one of ten years ago. It is a quantum leap past the X-wire. I checked with X2, and they are not servicing the X-wire. I understand as a tech that some of the parts that may be needed to fix it are simply unavailable. With the new MAP of $299, the X2 could be cheaper than a repair bill and has a 2 year warranty. Hope I helped.That's a good point about repair vs. buying a new one. With no support it's probably dumb to consider one of those.

[enditol]

It was a good unit but it changed my tone so i'm sticking with my cord.

[Zero]

Any gain freaks using this here? I'm having a problem with hiss. I even sent it to X2 for repair, they said they found a defective opamp but it sounds the same now that I have it back. It simply has more hiss than a cable, no doubt about it. But this is probably not noticable to clean or medium gain users! I am completely obsessive about this stuff when it comes up and I have plugged it into various amps, pedal, wall wart vs. 9V, all the same result. This is hiss (white noise- "shhhhhhhh"), not buzzing or humming.

If someone could do an A/B test, cable vs. X2 into HIGH gain, let me know what you hear. using an A/B box would be best for quick comparison (that's what I did though I also switched the cables manually and heard the same thing.)

[Ted Witcher]

Yeah that sucks, they just released the new map at summer NAMM with the debut of the new rack units, and some dealers are just getting word. I got our store in at the very beginning (My personal X2 is one of the first production run) and have kept in contact with them directly. I even knew about the new rack units and the changes to the MAP before our distributor rep did. You did get it for $25 LESS than the old MAP of $349.
Maybe I can get you a T-shirt or something.....

Since you're a dealer, can you tell me if the rack unit requires the external antennas to operate? In my setup they wouldn't clear the edge of my rack, so I was just wondering. Thanks.

[DocRock]

Two gigs in with my X2, and I love it. Sounds like a cable to me, and haven't had any real major issues with drop-out or anything like that.

I'm very happy with mine.

[Funky Monkey]

Any gain freaks using this here? I'm having a problem with hiss. I even sent it to X2 for repair, they said they found a defective opamp but it sounds the same now that I have it back. It simply has more hiss than a cable, no doubt about it. But this is probably not noticable to clean or medium gain users! I am completely obsessive about this stuff when it comes up and I have plugged it into various amps, pedal, wall wart vs. 9V, all the same result. This is hiss (white noise- "shhhhhhhh"), not buzzing or humming.

If someone could do an A/B test, cable vs. X2 into HIGH gain, let me know what you hear. using an A/B box would be best for quick comparison (that's what I did though I also switched the cables manually and heard the same thing.)

I've used it into very high gain. No add'l hiss.
I regularly use it with my Big Muff copy. I just tried it into my head with everything dimed (quite high gain, for the record) and again, no add'l hiss.

[Hackubus]

Hey Zero,
High gain X2 user here, no additional noise that I'm aware of. At least not any noisier than it was with cable. Very happy camper with my X2.

[Jeremy]

I haven't had any extra hiss or noise from my X2 and my Warheads. I did have it drop out a few times during my last jam session..... Not sure why yet, but I'm looking into it.

[Zero]

I called them (X2 Digital) today after reading these posts here last night. They are great people I should add! Very helpful and talkative. I talked to the guy who worked on mine. He said what I am hearing is normal. There will be a slight amount of hiss added, compared to a cable. I'm not technical, just relaying what he told me but the X2's dynamic range is 117/118 db and would have to be around 140-150 db to not hear ANY difference, to be on par with a cable.

If you guys aren't hearing anything that's great. Not saying you're wrong. I'm going to try not to hear it henceforth :D Because the important thing it, it does sound good.

[Funky Monkey]

I called them (X2 Digital) today after reading these posts here last night. They are great people I should add! Very helpful and talkative. I talked to the guy who worked on mine. He said what I am hearing is normal. There will be a slight amount of hiss added, compared to a cable. I'm not technical, just relaying what he told me but the X2's dynamic range is 117/118 db and would have to be around 140-150 db to not hear ANY difference, to be on par with a cable.

If you guys aren't hearing anything that's great. Not saying you're wrong. I'm going to try not to hear it henceforth :D Because the important thing it, it does sound good.

I guess I don't understand the explanation (the dynamic range part.) Could there be other factors? The power supply? Anything else in the chain that could be screwing with it? I'm not too technical myself, but if the dynamic range of the X2 is reduced compared to a normal cable, then wouldn't that make the X2 quieter than a normal cable? If there is any difference at all on paper with the dynamic range, it sure doesn't translate aurally. I truly cannot tell a difference between the X2 and my two very high quality cables...and I've honestly tried hard! It is replacing a $100 cord that I thought I'd never part with, so I was first in line to call the X2's bluff.

I'm not disputing anything, just trying to get it to make sense. I guess I'm just glad mine is quiet and/or that I'm not in a situation where it would become an issue (no long-term high gain here.) Drummer last night even commented on how quiet my setup is between songs. That was a first. :cool:

[Ted Witcher]

No, I believe it would make the noise floor louder relative to the maximum signal. Which it apparently does.

[Funky Monkey]

No, I believe it would make the noise floor louder relative to the maximum signal. Which it apparently does.

Ah...I see.
Still, no more noise with mine than a quality cable using either my amp on full gain or set clean with my Big Muff clone at full gain. There's the normal added hiss just because they're full up, but no more when I switch to the X2. Sweet!

[SarasotaSlim]

Those that have these things please tell me the signal path.
Are you using it before or after your pedals?

Also - anyone get the newer rack mount unit yet?

[DocRock]

Before. Guitar > X2 > pedals > amp.

I love mine!!!

[SarasotaSlim]

Anyone else do it differently? and if so please describe.

[JoshuaLogan]

What would be the easiest way to set this up with having some pedals in an effects loops and some in front of the amp.... I'm guessing you'd have to use cables for part of the setup, but what could you still use the wireless for?

[SarasotaSlim]

Anyone in my area have one of these bad boys yet? If so can we get together and let me hear what it does with my guitar and amp? I've been using a long cord for a long time because I like to walk out and act-a-fool but it's always getting stepped on or stuck on something. The only wireless things I've ever tried were HORRIBLE. I've read hundreds of GP testimonials on several threads but would still love to hear one before I buy it.

[bobe]

Just buy it. It is really good. Becuase of the way they designed the receiver's output you can select between a n output that approximates an "average" guitar cable or the "full freq. range" output. I have used it both ways, depending on the guitar (acoustic/electric) and amp/efffect configuration. Using a Y cable I've split the two outputs and used them together for a terrific guitar tone.

1. You could read my posts in TGP under "X2 as Wireless Splitter/Router!"
2. I think American Musical.com has free return shipping? The units are available at several internet retailers for about $299 and you know you can return anything promptly if not satisfied.

I think it will be well worth the experiment...

Bob E. from CT

[strangec]

Just a quick confirmation- when using an X2 (or any wireless) on your pedalboard, the need for a buffer is goes away since the wireless output is buffered- correct?

[solo-act]

I want to buy the ends & make my own cable.

Is the locking "1/8" trs plug a 2.5 mm or a 3.5 mm?
Confusing......... 1/8 = 3.17 mm

These guys call it a 1/8 plug
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/305357.html

These guys call it a 2.5mm plug
http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=851Xvirtualkey50210000virtual key502-851X
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/631/971.pdf - figure B in the upper right corner

Either way........is the switchcraft 851 the right plug to buy???

[solo-act]

OK.......since no one stepped up to the plate, I'll post the info here

This is the plug you want per X2 digital
http://www.btx.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CA-C4407LKA&Category=4348ad2f-1b43-47dc-83b3-5cee8464acbf%20&ReturnUrl=~/Default.aspx

The Switchcraft 851 won't work. Needs to be a trs (stereo) plug.
That BTX locking 1/8 inch stereo (cable mount) plug is only carried by a handful of people.

So there you have it dudes.

[DocRock]

Thanks for the info!!!

Doc :)

[solo-act]

Thanks for the info!!!

Doc :)

Found out another gem of info. A local outfit said the part # for a switchcraft equivalent of the BTX is the Switchcraft 8751-CA. It can't be found on the net though. He said the reason you can't find it is because its a distributer bulk purchase only item. At least that's what I was told.

The BTX is $10, the local outfit said they can get the switchcraft at $6 each. http://ceavco.com/ 303-238-6493 and ask for Tony.

[johnrea_77]

I've used the AKG guitar bug and sold it to try the X2. My thought was if it didn't fly, it was time to just stick with quality cables.

Two gigs later - I'm going to stick with the X2 for most gigs. I did purchase a premium right angle cable to lock on to the transmitter. I really like the fact that the receiver can get 9V power from my G-System. That makes setup easier and no batteries to deal with except the transmitter.

GTR -> X2 -> G-System (internal FX and FX in loops) -> King Rocket 88

[Gamle John]

I got a question:

Can I place the reciever directly on top of my pedal power 2 or will it pick up noise?

[cube]

i tried one out and noticed latency .
:( still , it did sound better than most , but still not there yet for me .

[Zero]

i tried one out and noticed latency .
:( still , it did sound better than most , but still not there yet for me .

Yes, I thought I had this problem the first gig I used it. But didn't feel that at later gigs.

[Randy Van Sykes]

Picked up the X2 (with pedal type receiver) a few days ago...I'm really impressed. It seems to add a bit of highs, but like I've been reading, it's probably due to the fact that I'm use to hearing a 12' cable roll off a bit of highs. I'll post again about it after a few gigs.

But so far high marks for this unit...I may never use a cable again.

[kenoflife]

Just can't seem to locate a link for the premium short cable for the X2 -
not the connector (which requires a short cord) nor the switchcraft plug setup....?

[Andre357]

Just can't seem to locate a link for the premium short cable for the X2 -
not the connector (which requires a short cord) nor the switchcraft plug setup....?


Go to american musical .com

Search on x2........they sell the premium cables ( thats where I got mine )

[BurnoutBright]

Anybody has the X2 rack unit yet? Is the extra $200 worth it, or the X2 stompbox unit good enough?

[ausguitarman]

Picked up the X2 (with pedal type receiver) a few days ago...I'm really impressed. It seems to add a bit of highs, but like I've been reading, it's probably due to the fact that I'm use to hearing a 12' cable roll off a bit of highs. I'll post again about it after a few gigs.

But so far high marks for this unit...I may never use a cable again.

It's funny you mention this.

I just got mine and being lazy I couldn't be bothered unpluging my 20 foot Gepco from the amp so I connected the X2 into it.

I didn't hear any noticable change from using just the cable.

I haven't had the time to X2 straight into the amp but I'll have some time next week so I'll report back then

[Thazy]

It's funny you mention this.

I just got mine and being lazy I couldn't be bothered unpluging my 20 foot Gepco from the amp so I connected the X2 into it.

I didn't hear any noticable change from using just the cable.

I haven't had the time to X2 straight into the amp but I'll have some time next week so I'll report back then

I keep my cable plugged into the reciever too. If the wireless goes down for any reason, I can just unplug the cord from the reciever and plug the guitar back in, in 2 seconds. Also, I keep the reciever on the PA stack on my side of the stage so, it's up higher and it gets it's own power supply.

Someone asked about the rack unit. My store has sold 2 off them so far. Really works great for those that need the extra coverage. It's got some cool features like; on the reciever, it has a battery charge indicator from the transmitter and it is true diversity with 2 antenna's. Been thinking of getting one myself for my guitar and using my current unit for my bass.

[BurnoutBright]

Thazy, thanks for the reply.

I just e-mailed them about the comparison between the two units and I got a prompt reponse today. I just realized they are in my backyard, Sacramento. There is a pdf file comparison chart under this webpage that they pointed out to me

http://http://www.x2digitalwireless.com/product_main.htm

The main thing that I liked is the increased range from 150' to 300'. Able to operate on adverse condition as oppose to typical condition ( I am not sure what a typical environment, since RF devices are present every where ), so hopefully the improved range better interference handling can eliminate some of the drop outs that were reported.

Hopefully somebody will get one of this soon and give us a feedback.

[DocRock]

Very happy X2 user here (stompbox version).

FYI...in case you guys haven't noticed yet, the transmitter eats an average of 1 battery per gig. The other guitarist in my band turned me onto these: http://www.powerbug.com/

1 9-volt battery in the transmitter, I've found, is good for something like 5 or 6 gigs. You can save some money and not have to worry about changing batteries after every show.

Cheers,

Doc :)

[nanook]

I ordered an X-2 a couple of months back. Surprisingly hearing all the positive feedback on the unit my experiences to date have been poor.

I have intermittent dropouts even when I am standing beside the unit. Practicing in my basement from 10 feet away line of site - drop outs. No backround noise, nothing it just cuts cleanly off as you are playing and then pops cleanly back on its own.

I obviously don't have the confidance in it to gig with it.

In fairness to the company I haven't pursured it with them yet having just given it another test drive after changing the patch cable going out to the rest of the pedal board.

I bought the premium locking connector and the receiver sits in my pedal board powered by my adaptor.

What's funny is a band member had one with the same symptoms, even tried it outside at a gig and line of sight it dropped at about 50 feet (unlike mine when his dropped he got alot of static). The company tried to repair it and even sent a replacement unit but all to no avail. He gave up but based on the great support from the manufacturer decided to go with the rack unit that has performed flawlessly.

Just really odd to hear so much positive feedback (pardon the pun) with no similar issues like mine................. Maybe it's me, I'm going go switch cables again....................

Whoops looks like I should have read all the posts - drop outs and "blindspot" directly above it. I guess there are some isolated issues.


"I did two outdoor shows this weekend and started out each set using the x2. Each show I had to quit using it after the first song because of drop outs. I was standing right next to it and tried different channels but it was kind of like a skipping record.

Kind of a bummer because it does sound good but I can't trust it.

I think it's going back."

[Funky Monkey]

Maybe I got a really good one, knock on wood. Never any noticeable latency whatsoever. I'm very used to the latency of my Whammy pedal, and I rarely hear about people noticing it in that. So to hear that people notice it in the X2 has me scratching my head.

Still not a single dropout to date, and it's still on the floor on my board in front of me- sometimes I'm directly above it when I'm using my volume pedal. Gigging, practice and sessions, all together probably just under 100 uses, and it has not failed once.

I use these Maha 300 mAh rechargeables (http://thomasdistributing.com/shop/-maha-9v-300-mah-nimh-rechargeable-battery-p-503.html?SP_id=&osCsid=hu1ur0a9bkm5u06svm8vprqng5) and get two full gigs and two full practices (approx. 12 hours avg.) per charge. I got two and just swap the dead one out for the fully charged one and keep 'em rotated. Power Bug cells are cool but damn expensive, especially in comparison.

Sorry to hear about people having issues...that's a real bummer to me. My experience has truly been nothing but positive so far.

[Zero]

I had drop-put and what I thought were latency problems the very first gig I used mine. Not to imply you are an idiot but did you try using other channels? That's what fixed it for me. I was on a bad channel. There is a way to check signal strength of each in the manual.

[bluesdoc]

Mine had a big dropout issue. I sent it back to them and they found a cold solder joint, which they repaired and sent back in 24hrs!

I'm thinking about the Lithium rechargeables at 500maH http://thomasdistributing.com/shop/ipower-9-volt-500mah-lithium-polymer-rechargeable-batteriesbr9v-lithium-rechargeablebrone-9v-rechargeable-battery-p-548.html?SP_id=&osCsid=k7dapliq1hd8qr7jea58aq6fe5

They say that standard alk 9v are a bit over 500mAh so the Lithium rechargeable should do about as well, but is, well, rechargeable. NiMH are not supposed to get as much and with only 300 mAh, shouldn't do as well as alkalines, but are rechargeable... duh... The only advantage of a regular Li non rechargeable 9v is that it has about double the mAh of alkalines, or more so should last a long time, at 5-7 bucks a pop. As long as a battery lasts a whole long gig or rehearsal, I'm good with that. To buy 2 Li rech and a charger, I'd be dropping about $50. Now, that will buy a lot of regular alkalines at Costco prices, so the break even point depends, obviously, on how often you use the unit. Still, it's cool having a lithium rechargeable :D

jon

[solo-act]

I'm thinking about the Lithium rechargeables at 500maH http://thomasdistributing.com/shop/ipower-9-volt-500mah-lithium-polymer-rechargeable-batteriesbr9v-lithium-rechargeablebrone-9v-rechargeable-battery-p-548.html?SP_id=&osCsid=k7dapliq1hd8qr7jea58aq6fe5

They say that standard alk 9v are a bit over 500mAh so the Lithium rechargeable should do about as well, but is, well, rechargeable. ...

That's a cutting edge battery there. Looks wider than standard duracell - which is already a tight fit in the X2 transmitter

I don't think it'll fit in the transmitter. Someone needs to buy one & let us know....ha ha. I'm already on rechargeable AA for the headset mic. If I could go rechargeable for the X2 I'd be a very happy dude.

[Zero]

They say that standard alk 9v are a bit over 500mAh
I'm not so sure about that. Who are 'they' and where did 'they' say this?

NiMH are not supposed to get as much and with only 300 mAh, shouldn't do as well as alkalines, but are rechargeable... duh... The guy, Funky Monkey, just wrote he gets 2 gigs+ out of them, what more do you want?

[Randy Van Sykes]

UPDATE...

I have used my new X2 on at least 10 gigs so far, in all different areas around Toronto (wireless units and areas of Toronto are known not to get along).
Functions perfectly. I love this unit. Sounds like a cable to me.
For those shows where I worry a bit about the front of house soundman's skills, I can walk right out front (30-40 feet from the stage) during soundcheck and listen. I've never had any issue with dropouts or interfence.

Typical Duracell 9 volt gives you two nights.

[localmotion411]

About 20 gigs with my X2, and couldn't be happier. Just as everyone has described. It really is perfect.

[bluesdoc]

That's a cutting edge battery there. Looks wider than standard duracell - which is already a tight fit in the X2 transmitter

I don't think it'll fit in the transmitter. Someone needs to buy one & let us know....ha ha. I'm already on rechargeable AA for the headset mic. If I could go rechargeable for the X2 I'd be a very happy dude.

From Thomas Dist, re: http://thomasdistributing.com/shop/ipower-9-volt-500mah-lithium-polymer-rechargeable-batteriesbr9v-lithium-rechargeablebrone-9v-rechargeable-battery-p-548.html?SP_id=&osCsid=k7dapliq1hd8qr7jea58aq6fe5

the dimensions are:
Length: 26.5mm +/- .2
Width: 17.5mm +/- .2
Height: 48.5mm +/-.5

yup, a little larger. But it might fit........

jon

[kenoflife]

Just got a 30" cord from Lavaman for the X2 - went for a little less length than
the original cord. It's a cool blue Melody EA cord with RA plug - and it cost
less than the X2 'upgraded' cable...big thumbs up! :)

[DocRock]

Just got a 30" cord from Lavaman for the X2 - went for a little less length than
the original cord. It's a cool blue Melody EA cord with RA plug - and it cost
less than the X2 'upgraded' cable...big thumbs up! :)

You know, I was wondering the other day about doing something like that. I still use the stock cable that came with the X2. Does the Lava deal really make that much of a sonic difference, just going from guitar to transmitter?

[kenoflife]

Don't know about sonic difference - but the stock cable was really cheesy and was cutting out at a gig. I use the EA Melodies on the board, and a Tara to the amp - so for me it was the choice. Plus it was cheaper, and better quality cable then the 'premium' cable

[Funky Monkey]

You know, I was wondering the other day about doing something like that. I still use the stock cable that came with the X2. Does the Lava deal really make that much of a sonic difference, just going from guitar to transmitter?

I got the X2-made premium cable. I could not hear a difference in sound quality between it and the stock cable, but it is a superior cable over the stock one. The Lava would be even that much better. More durable for sure. I wonder if many people who reported dropouts simply had a bum stock cable? Surely a couple.

[DocRock]

Thanks for answering my questions, gents!

Cheers,

Doc :)

[CitizenCain]

Mine's been perfect so far, too. No drop outs. The only latency I noticed was when I was approximately 75'-80' out one time. It got a little weird. I was playing in time but hearing it a little behind the beat. Had to come back in to keep from getting too mixed up http://www.2ni2.com/emoticon/serio/loco2.gif

The rechargeable batteries look interesting. I get about a gig and a practice out of one battery in the transmitter. I power the receiver off my pedal board.

[Funky Monkey]

The only latency I noticed was when I was approximately 75'-80' out one time. It got a little weird. I was playing in time but hearing it a little behind the beat. Had to come back in to keep from getting too mixed up http://www.2ni2.com/emoticon/serio/loco2.gif


But that latency is due to the speed of sound, not the unit. At that distance, the fact that you can detect it is testament to the X2 trasmitting faster than you can hear it. And now I'm starting to get mixed myself up. ;) But at 80' even with a cord there would be slight delay from the time you hit the not until the time you hear it. I noticed that I can start feeling it at about 50' away with cables.

[ivan275]

I got the X2-made premium cable. I could not hear a difference in sound quality between it and the stock cable, but it is a superior cable over the stock one. The Lava would be even that much better. More durable for sure. I wonder if many people who reported dropouts simply had a bum stock cable? Surely a couple.

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere in the depths of this thread, but I couldn't find it so...

Wouldn't it be possible to "create" your own cable by using a short 1/4" guitar cable and simply plugging one end to a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo plug adapter? I'm too electricly inept :messedup to know that this will or wont work.

Anyone?

[solo-act]

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere in the depths of this thread, but I couldn't find it so...

Wouldn't it be possible to "create" your own cable by using a short 1/4" guitar cable and simply plugging one end to a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo plug adapter? I'm too electricly inept :messedup to know that this will or wont work.

Anyone?
Yes. I made my own cable. The correct plug adapter is not easy to find. You need this one
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=309
same one
http://www.btx.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CA-C4407LKA&Category=4348ad2f-1b43-47dc-83b3-5cee8464acbf%20&ReturnUrl=~/Default.aspx

You can see how wildly the prices vary.
Lavacables.com can make you one or supply you with the parts/instructions for you to make one. I'd just have someone make you one.

[frankencat]

Ok, I just broke down and ordered one of these from AMS. I am in the market for a new wireless so I figured I would check it out. We are on break until next year but lots of gigs coming up and I need something reliable. Is the cable really that cheesy? I guess I will give Lavaman a ring. :)

[Jack Spillane]

I've been following this thread and decided to give the X2 a go after reading the posts. It's been out for 4 gigs and I have no complaints at all. I'll have to rig up a patch cord from my pedal board to supply DC to the receiver as it goes through batteries a little quicker than the transmitter. Otherwise its godd for 1.5 nights. THe led indicator is great for battery status. The cord is not the best quality but a few extra ducks spent with Lava should solve that.
Jack

[Zero]

What's wrong with the stock cable again? I don't have a problem with it. Although, I'm not gigging 4 nights a week either (at all right now in fact). The one thing I did was buy a ¼" right angle adapter plug, so that it doesn't stick out from the jack as far.

[dosmun]

The new ones come with a cable that has a better 1/4" plug not the molded like before. It is not a bad cable but I built my own with premium parts for around $10.

[Zero]

I guess I don't follow how a molded end is somehow automatically inferior to a metal one, other than it's easier to repair a metal one IF something goes wrong. It's not like what's inside is different. Whatever.

[frankencat]

The only thing I don't like about it is I prefer a right-angle to the guitar. Also straight plugs tend to put more strain on weak connectors in my experience. I will wait and see what the cable looks like and if it's good I will just change the plug, if it's wimpy I will buy the Lava. I'll probably just buy the Lava anyway and have the stock cable as a backup.

Here's the link to the Lava cable:
http://www.lavacable.com/Cable%20Snakes.htm

[ivan275]

Thanks for great info on the cable :AOK

Now, would you happen to know whether I can use a 9VDC, 200mA AC/DC apdator when the specs on the XDS say 9VDC, 100mA? Isn't 100mA the minimum but more okay?

Thanks.

[Zero]

The adapter they recommend is "Boss style" so anything around that is fine. I've used an Ibanez adapter(200mA), One Spot(800mA), and AC power out w/daisy chain from a Boss pedal, all work fine. Pedals and such draw what power they need from the adapter. The adapter only has to be above the draw specified for the pedal.

[ivan275]

The adapter they recommend is "Boss style" so anything around that is fine. I've used an Ibanez adapter(200mA), One Spot(800mA), and AC power out w/daisy chain from a Boss pedal, all work fine. Pedals and such draw what power they need from the adapter. The adapter only has to be above the draw specified for the pedal.

Thanks much!

[dosmun]

I guess I don't follow how a molded end is somehow automatically inferior to a metal one, other than it's easier to repair a metal one IF something goes wrong. It's not like what's inside is different. Whatever.

More of a durability thing. Generally cables with molded ends use cheaper cable as well.

[frankencat]

Well I got mine a couple of days ago, here's my review:

Sound: (9)
It sounds good but I wouldn't say it sounds exactly like a cable and definitely not better than a cable as I have heard some folks say. I can definitely hear a difference although a small one, but it's there. That said it works pretty well and sounds better than my previous wireless systems and I this one will be less painful to use when I have to go wireless. IT does the volume roll-down thing really well with no loss in clarity or dynamics. It sounds pretty good and I will leave it at that.

Performance: (7)
Performance is acceptable. I set mine up with the receiver on the floor and walked around inside and outside of my house. It dropped out at about 50' but that was between walls and around corners and whatnot. Pretty typical range from a low-budget wireless. It would probably get better if it were up off the floor but I like it in my pedalboard case so I will live with it. I did get one or two intermittent dropouts at closer ranges but I never tried to change channels to see if it got better. I also have a theory that the cable has something to do with it - maybe it's not a dropout in reception but a connection issue. I am going to buy the Lava cable and see if it makes a difference. It also adds a little bit of white noise at times but nothing major.

Construction: (3)
My biggest gripe is that the case looks very flimsy. I would not want to drop the transmitter on a hard surface as it looks like it would shatter into a million pieces. The battery door on the transmitter is especially flimsy looking. Unfortunatelythe receiver isn't that much better :( I hope I am wrong about the durability of this thing.

Summary:
For $300 I guess you get what you pay for. It sounds pretty good and performs well enough for the places I play in but it would be nice if they could make it a little beefier for us working guys.

-Frank

[kenoflife]

good review - for recording and around the house I use my Lava cable Vovox - it doesn't get better than that! - but at gigs I really like the X2. I think the box is a little chintzy - but I don't think it would shatter. The receiver fits nicely on my board just above the wah in the intro slot -so its safe - it definitely prefers its own input from the PP2 (not on a chain). I think upgrading to the Lava melody cable from the transmitter makes it feel much more upscale.

i called X2 themselves once because GC gave me some bullsh*t about the company not covering the unit if it was used 'live' - that I had to buy their coverage as well. X2 assured me that it wasn't the case - and the woman I talked to was very courteous and helpful, felt like a good company to deal with if their was a problem...

[bobotwt]

Has anyone tried and possibly compared the rackmount version to the pedalboard version?

Josh

[Tommyv]

Has anyone tried and possibly compared the rackmount version to the pedalboard version?

Josh

Guitar World recently did a review of both. They liked the rackmount version better. They just came out with the XDS Plus version, which apparently has most of the rack units components in a new stomp box version receiver.

[Tweeker]

Guitar World recently did a review of both. They liked the rackmount version better. They just came out with the XDS Plus version, which apparently has most of the rack units components in a new stomp box version receiver.

From the people at X2:
differences between original unit and plus
XDS95 is battery powered, the PLUS is not.
XDS95 has internal antenna, the PLUS has only external antenna.
XDS95 is about the size of an MXR distortion pedal, the PLUS is just a bit bigger than an MXR flanger.
*
PLUS has anti-jam technology, the XDS95 does not.
PLUS has a frequency response of 10 - 20,000 Hz, the XDS95 is 10 - 12,000 Hz.
PLUS has a range of >200 feet, XDS95 has a range of 150 feet.
PLUS has an aluminum chassis, the XDS95 is polycarbonate.

[kenoflife]

I like how my XDS95 fits just in the space above the wah pedal, and doesn't have an antenna, so maybe my gas is in check....wonder if I could tell about the frequency response being higher on stage...?

[pipedwho]

The PLUS seems to have half the battery life of the XDS too. 5.5hr vs 12 hrs - what's with that?

I wish they'd use 2 x AA batteries instead of a 9V battery. Similar size, but cheaper, and an extra 40% available power (assuming they are using a switching regulator).

I really want to buy the XDS-PLUS, but the battery life in the transmitter is bugging me.

Unfortunately, the regular XDS is just a little under-specced in the audio bandwidth and distance areas.

[ausguitarman]

Anybody mounted their's under a Pedaltrain?

I'm interested to see if you've had any adverse effects.

[tremonti]

The X2 sucked compared to the old X wire...yes sounded good like the old X Wire but here is what I hated and why I sold: Made very cheapy and with light plastic....battery compartment sucks to open and almost breaks when you do....battery life sucks....range sucks(no where near what they say).....the 1/8 cable insert on the unit is a break waiting to happen....the clip on beltpack sucks....the floor unit sucks too. Why cant they make something that is rock solid and does what it says???

[kenoflife]

It doesn't suck sonically - yes its cheap - velcro the floor unit on a safe spot on the pedalboard - I don't think the range sucks at all - with a Lavacable it isn't a break waiting to happen - and I don't use the clip, just slip it in my backpocket or a pouch. The main thing, for me, is that it sounds VERY good to this tone snob.

I mount it on top of my pumaboard, directly above the wah so I can attach a short cable to the wah to start the chain - or pull that if I want to
go direct. Sideways its about as wide as the wah - just right. I think underneath a board would create a problem with range...

[Gas-man]

The clip is def a hunk of crap.

But it DOES sound good.

Clips can be fixed though.

[WorkingClassDan]

Guitardoc, you write like a press release.

[bdab_rock]

it really is incredible.

[selahvie]

The Plus looks really nice - seems to be more ruggedly constructed than the regular one. Anyone actually tried one out yet? I'm thinking of selling some pedals...

[Dickie Fredericks]

Sure its plastic and a bit cheap feeling I guess but it sounds good and has worked well for me. Its mounted to the pedalboard with a short cable to the wah.

I dig it.

[DocRock]

Still gigging with mine, still loving it. Had it since July I think, no problems ever.

[deluxemeat]

the clip on beltpack sucks....

god gave rock n roll (and gaffer's tape) to you.

[Joses]

anybody here pulled the trigger on the Plus yet? I'm seriously gassing for one...badly...

i was gonna go for a XDS95 back in Dec '07, but then i saw the plus was coming out after NAMM...:worried

[Zero]

I wear my transmitter on my strap. The clip did not hold it well for any kind of jumping around so I stuck a small square of Velcro on it and the strap so now that holds it in place.

[frankencat]

I used mine last night at a concert for the first time and I have to give it high marks for sound and performance. After our 2hr set I realized I hadn't thought about or even noticed that I was using a wireless unit. For me that is as good as you can ask for.

[localmotion411]

I used mine last night at a concert for the first time and I have to give it high marks for sound and performance. After our 2hr set I realized I hadn't thought about or even noticed that I was using a wireless unit. For me that is as good as you can ask for.

This is basically how I feel every time I use it live. Never really realize I'm using a wireless while playing, unless I really move around a lot. Just about as transparent as it can be; sounds just like a cable. To me, that is the true testament to the sound quality of the unit.

I'd like to upgrade to the Plus, but I think it would be unnecessary:

(1) Sounds great, as-is
(2) Never had a problem with signal cutting out
(3) 100' range, I'll never have the need for more than that
(4) Though the receiver is plastic, it isn't stomped on so durability is almost a non-issue

I think I'll stick with the XDS95; just fine for my needs.

[diamond fur]

can wireless units be used in any country?

[yellowecho]

can wireless units be used in any country?
I'm afraid wireless units are only made for U.S., San Marino, and Monaco use only. :eek:

[Zero]

Is anyone really getting 12 hours life from an alkaline battery from the transmitter? The manual states this is the life but I'm having a hard time believing it. And if that is true, why does the life meter max out at 5 hours? They could've just divided the time up so each LED was 2 hours or so, something like that. I know the manual states that the 5th LED means 5+ hours but come on.

Something else I noticed but about the receiver is that the adapter input does not override the battery. I was thinking I'd have a battery in the receiver for back-up but just to check I stuck an adapter plug that wasn't powered into the receiver AC plug while it was being powered with a battery, to see if it would turn it off or override the battery just like any Boss pedal but it didn't!

[johnrea_77]

Right on the front of line6.com - Line 5 acquires X2 Digital wireless.

I hear it coming now: The first Line 6 piece of gear that doesn't suck tone.

OR - now they will redesign the X2 wireless to squash the tone and make the gain non-unity.

(just kidding - all in fun) - I'm actually looking to give the M13 stompbox emulator a go.

[Zero]

Line 6 bought them. That sucks. I'm having so many problems with mine, I think i will just go back to using a cable.

[CrazyHeart]

I have used the X2 Digital Wireless sense last summer. I was using a Shure SLX wireless. The X2 Digital is much better. I have used it with a wah wah pedal just fine. If there is any latency, I can't tell.

[Zero]

I got mine Feb 2007. Had some drop-out problems initially but that went away. Now the last three gigs I have this problem where the receiver will freeze up. All of the blue LEDs will come on and no sound will emit and the button won't turn it off. I have to unplug the power, plug it back in then turn it on again. Then it'll just freeze up all over. I can't be fiddling with stuff like this when I'm supposed to be playing. It drives me nuts.

[dosmun]

I got mine Feb 2007. Had some drop-out problems initially but that went away. Now the last three gigs I have this problem where the receiver will freeze up. All of the blue LEDs will come on and no sound will emit and the button won't turn it off. I have to unplug the power, plug it back in then turn it on again. Then it'll just freeze up all over. I can't be fiddling with stuff like this when I'm supposed to be playing. It drives me nuts.

Sounds like it could be a power supply problem. I would try another before sending it back.

[Zero]

Sounds like it could be a power supply problem. I would try another before sending it back.It happened with two different sources of power. I set up the exact way I had it at the last gig, at home and left it on, didn't freeze up. X2...er, Line 6 Digital said they would have it picked up for repair. I asked them if I should try anything but they didn't respond to that part of my email.

[triple_vee]

Mine didn't work. But to their credit, their customer support is excellent and they gave me a RMA number to return the unit in exchange for a new one.

[naturalstrat]

i searched for a wireless unit for a while and came across the x2...it's truly the most transparent sounding and above all the easiest set up of any wireless unit. one complaint though....the transmitters battery compartment seems really flimsy..every time i go to change the battery, i feel like its gonna break off......other than that its cool...

[8nthatK]

Mine has been flawless...and does sound damn nice for a low cost wireless.

[Tweeker]

Calling on you 11,000 strong...wus up wid da X2 battery life?
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=373795

[gag halfrunt]

Calling on you 11,000 strong...wus up wid da X2 battery life?
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=373795
I never thought 12 hours was a realistic number. Before I got mine, I just assumed I'd need a new battery for every gig.

[solo-act]

Has anyone bought and tried the lithium polymer rechargeables?
Do they fit?

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-9v-lithium-rechargeable-battery.php

[frankencat]

I never thought 12 hours was a realistic number. Before I got mine, I just assumed I'd need a new battery for every gig.

Same here. I am just in the habit of changing the battery every gig but I have gone approx 5-6 hours with no problems. That's basically two rehearsals, a sound check and a show. That's fine for me. Range has been ok too although it will drop out at a distance if you are not in line of sight. I get 50-60 feet away no problems during sound checks. I don't really need to get any further away than that.

[Tweeker]

Has anyone bought and tried the lithium polymer rechargeables?
Do they fit?

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-9v-lithium-rechargeable-battery.php

Solo-act,
I was hopeful when I read about these. They're supposed to be superior to the Ni-Cad stuff. A call into X2 said that they don't recommend ANY rechargeables. Eventhough they couldn't comment specifically on the lithium polymer, they just repeated that they tested all rechargeables and they ALL provide inferior performance. I don't believe that they really tested this one. I guess the only way to know is to try it for yourself.

[drod2045]

just got an X2 and used it a gig this past sat. worked perfectly and sounds great. just like th thread title...just like a cord. no added noise. it is basic and does its job. i couldnt be happier.

ps: i have the reciever one-spotted on my board. Im glad i only have to worry about the body pack for a battery.

i also tested the range in my apartment. I could go in different ooms, walls with no change in response or tone or volume. I even went 2floors below my floor and outside of my building and no tone loss. simply amazing

[DocRock]

Coming up on a year's worth of gigs and still loving mine!!!

Doc :D

[benbenben]

This is definitely ignited my GAS flame...

Just wondering, will this unit interfere with other wireless units? When i play, they're usually be another 5-6 cordless shure mics going on at once. Will this mess up the mics and vice versa?

[drod2045]

not sure but Ive used mine with 1 wireless mic, 2 wireless guitars and 1 wireless in ear monitor setup and it was fine

[benbenben]

What about 1spot compatibility? I'm using two one spots one of which is to be powering a superdelay and a empress trem (should only be about 300-350mA combined) will there be any issues there?

[drod2045]

I had mine powered with a one spot. no problems at all!

[benbenben]

amazing!

if anyone could chip in regarding any compatibility issues with say 5+ cordless mics that'd be great.. really quite keen on this..

any issues with certain pedals? e.g. fuzz factory, wah?

[drod2045]

i had fuzz, ODs, wah, delays, all sorts of modulations, played a giant stage and no issues.

FWIW, i live on the 3rd floor of a brick apt building, I went down to the bottom floor out the front door onto the street...not a single issue

[kenoflife]

no issues with my board -
great unit still.
Got a little camera case to carry mine on my belt now.

[DocRock]

ZERO problems with mine. Other guitarist and the bassist both use wireless systems as well. Never once had an issue.

[buddaman71]

Just got mine a few weeks ago and it's awesome.
I hate wireless units, but X2 is the bomb!!

Rock on,

[Joses]

Received the XDS-PLUS a few weeks ago and i'm loving every single bit of it! Sounds great, works great...

...only thing is the transmitter battery life :messedup I'm only clocking about 2-3hrs tops on my Energizer rechargeables :horse

[astroboy581]

went thru two units. the first one the transmitter started freezing intermittently and white noise ensued as a result. took it back for a new one. a week later the receiver started switching channels by itself and dropping out frequently. i loved the x2 when it did work though. sounded close to being plugged in with a cable. the range could have been better too. but maybe just bad luck. has this happened to anyone else?

[strangec]

Whe it work d it wa gr t. But w en it didn't it w s a pa n in th as .

[Zero]

went thru two units. the first one the transmitter started freezing intermittently and white noise ensued as a result. took it back for a new one. a week later the receiver started switching channels by itself and dropping out frequently. i loved the x2 when it did work though. sounded close to being plugged in with a cable. the range could have been better too. but maybe just bad luck. has this happened to anyone else?

My receiver did something like that. It would freeze up with all of the LEDs on but no sound at all. I contacted X2, sent it back and they replaced the unit. So far so good with the replacement.

[walterw]

Has anyone bought and tried the lithium polymer rechargeables?
Do they fit?

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-9v-lithium-rechargeable-battery.php

Solo-act,
I was hopeful when I read about these. They're supposed to be superior to the Ni-Cad stuff. A call into X2 said that they don't recommend ANY rechargeables. Eventhough they couldn't comment specifically on the lithium polymer, they just repeated that they tested all rechargeables and they ALL provide inferior performance. I don't believe that they really tested this one. I guess the only way to know is to try it for yourself.
i don't have a guitar wireless so maybe this is a bit OT, but i have been using the ipower 9v's for a while in my wireless iem reciever (shure pr4) and they work great, lasting as long as a real 9v battery (maybe even a tiny bit longer). i have the charger (http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-ip-fc904u-9v-battery-charger.htm) right on my pedalboard with 2 spares ready to go at all times, but only have to swap out every other gig or so.

[vorvick]

Did a search and found only one mention of this.

Has anyone upgraded to the Plus? If so, why? How's it working?

V

[DocRock]

Didn't know there was a plus. What's the difference?

[Thazy]

The plus has an upgraded true diversity reciever that's bigger and only runs on AC power. It comes with a power supply also.

[greatbigz]

FWIW - I just got my x2 wireless, didn't go with the plus, just the regular version...on advice from my friend Mark (Reverber8 here on TGP), I went to Best Buy and bought a bodyglove blackberry case to put it in....this eliminated the weak paperclip style clip on the back and protects the battery door. I haven't used mine live in that set up yet but he has and there have been no issues with sound loss...

[kenoflife]

on advice from my friend Mark

curious why he recommended the regular one...?

[Boomer]

I took the clip off immediately and replaced it with this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Neotech-Wireless-Pouch-Adaptor-Kit-469806-i1145018.gc




http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionlarge/Neotech/407995jpg.jpg