Budda Super Drive 45 and Marshall Jubilee 2555

[Troubleman]

I decided to try running both heads simultaneously at a gig - the Budda through a Budda 2x12 cab and the Jubilee through an Avatar 2x12 cab.
OH BOY!!!!!! The Budda was run on the dry side of a delay, and the Jubilee on the wet side - just a bit of slapback echo between the two. Huge, fat, juicy, corpulent tone. Both amps have a magic point in their power-amp section where they just come to life. When ya hit that point - ooooohhhhh!!!!! :drool

I'm gonna have to get Clearsonic shields or risk rebellion from my bandmates (power-scaling maybe?). Okay, to be honest some places we play are just plain too small to run both... :( The Budda was stepped down one-two levels of attenuation with a Hot Plate, and the Jubilee one-two levels with an AirBrake (experimented with both during the course of the night). The tone on both was true to full bypass, and the attenuators did enable me to keep them managable - barely. Once I got their tones and volume balanced so that they complimented each other, the two worked together wonderfully. It'll be realllllly hard to go back to running just one amp.

Life is good.....

jb

[S.A.M.]

How does the SD 45 compare to the Jubilee?

[Probos]

I bet that sounds amazing,....going for the Joe Bonamassa tone eh? :dude

[Troubleman]

How does the SD 45 compare to the Jubilee?

They have different mid-range voices. The SD 45 is basically a JTM45 on steroids. That's the best description I've ever heard. The SD45 has a better clean voice - more character, juicier. It has sparkle and spank. My Strat really snaps and clucks. The Jubilee's clean voice is... clean. It's not very 3-dimensional unless you really push it. It is usable, it doesn't sound bad in the least. I guess I'd call it unremarkable. Push the clean channels or switch to the overdrive channels and things get interesting. There the Jubilee has more top end sizzle and more graininess to its distortion. The SD45 has a smoother, more singing distortion. The Jubilee has more of a mid-range punch to in - more "waist". It seems to always squawk and crunch, whereas the SD45 is more responsive to pick attack (pick lightly and there's edge to its tone, pick hard and it really breaks up). That was part of the challenge of getting the two amps balanced. The Jubilee was crunching where the SD45 was between hairy/semi-clean and crunch. Turn the guitar volume up (or especially - hit an overdrive or boost pedal) and the Jubilee hit a point where it just wanted to scream, where the SD45 was still in the touch sensitive part of its curve. I turned the gain up on the SD45 to try to balance that, at which point the volumes weren't balanced - play with the attenuators. They just seemed to respond differently to the same input. The SD45 has a smoother transition point; the Jubilee - almost like flicking a switch: edgy/hairy - then psycho. Somewhere about 1/3 into our first set I hit a good balance. At that point most of my solos were either guitar volume knob increase, hitting the Super Chili Picoso, or both at the same time. Both amps seem to really like an OCD with low-mid gain settings and more volume. That produced a kaleidoscope of overtones and very, very rich harmonics. I could catch harmonic feedback on one amp, and by slightly varying positions catch a slightly different flavor of it on the second amp - sort of weaving between the two. Best example I can think of is John Jorgenson on the the Hellecaster song Back on Terra Firma, just before his solo break - wonderful harmonic feedback things going on, just pick one and ride it. Each amp seemed to favor a different one. Sonically I'd say the SD45 has a tighter (but not necessarily more massive) bottom end - probably just tigher overall. It's a more immediate amp - notes seem to snap out of it. The Jubilee has a "king of the world" sweetspot that is absolutely delicious - really big and throaty with just the right amount of high-end grit and a really phat middle. The blend of the two is just incredible - I had to fight the stupid grins and almost forgetting to sing background harmonies all night. I definitely need to experiement and fine-tune - play around with speaker combinations or maybe get a 2nd Marshall 4x10 (1965) cab and run both amps through those - they allow the speaker magic to take place at a lower volume. I'm also placing an order with Clearsonic...

It didnt occur to me until another reading another post - that IS pretty much what Joe Bonamassa uses at times, isnt it? Now I absolutely understand that shitty little grin on his face when he hits his solos..:D


Happy Memorial Day

jb

[GAT]

I do a similar thing with a '71 JMP combo 50 watter and a Bad Cat Panther or Greer Thunderbolt 30. I have a '69 JMP coming this week, so it may be the two Marshalls.

Amazing how the volume gets REALLY loud with two amps, isn't it!!

I need to attenuate each amp 1-2 clicks on 2 Komet Airbrakes, but it is a magical sound. I split the two amps out of a Replica. I love how there is an hint of a delay between the two amps whcih adds a thickening sound. With the delay on, it sounds killer. Plus, if you ever have an amp go down, you already have the backup running. BTW, I have used a Clearsonic to tame things down a bit.

[macmax77]

They have different mid-range voices. The SD 45 is basically a JTM45 on steroids. That's the best description I've ever heard. The SD45 has a better clean voice - more character, juicier. It has sparkle and spank. My Strat really snaps and clucks. The Jubilee's clean voice is... clean. It's not very 3-dimensional unless you really push it. It is usable, it doesn't sound bad in the least. I guess I'd call it unremarkable. Push the clean channels or switch to the overdrive channels and things get interesting. There the Jubilee has more top end sizzle and more graininess to its distortion. The SD45 has a smoother, more singing distortion. The Jubilee has more of a mid-range punch to in - more "waist". It seems to always squawk and crunch, whereas the SD45 is more responsive to pick attack (pick lightly and there's edge to its tone, pick hard and it really breaks up). That was part of the challenge of getting the two amps balanced. The Jubilee was crunching where the SD45 was between hairy/semi-clean and crunch. Turn the guitar volume up (or especially - hit an overdrive or boost pedal) and the Jubilee hit a point where it just wanted to scream, where the SD45 was still in the touch sensitive part of its curve. I turned the gain up on the SD45 to try to balance that, at which point the volumes weren't balanced - play with the attenuators. They just seemed to respond differently to the same input. The SD45 has a smoother transition point; the Jubilee - almost like flicking a switch: edgy/hairy - then psycho. Somewhere about 1/3 into our first set I hit a good balance. At that point most of my solos were either guitar volume knob increase, hitting the Super Chili Picoso, or both at the same time. Both amps seem to really like an OCD with low-mid gain settings and more volume. That produced a kaleidoscope of overtones and very, very rich harmonics. I could catch harmonic feedback on one amp, and by slightly varying positions catch a slightly different flavor of it on the second amp - sort of weaving between the two. Best example I can think of is John Jorgenson on the the Hellecaster song Back on Terra Firma, just before his solo break - wonderful harmonic feedback things going on, just pick one and ride it. Each amp seemed to favor a different one. Sonically I'd say the SD45 has a tighter (but not necessarily more massive) bottom end - probably just tigher overall. It's a more immediate amp - notes seem to snap out of it. The Jubilee has a "king of the world" sweetspot that is absolutely delicious - really big and throaty with just the right amount of high-end grit and a really phat middle. The blend of the two is just incredible - I had to fight the stupid grins and almost forgetting to sing background harmonies all night. I definitely need to experiement and fine-tune - play around with speaker combinations or maybe get a 2nd Marshall 4x10 (1965) cab and run both amps through those - they allow the speaker magic to take place at a lower volume. I'm also placing an order with Clearsonic...

It didnt occur to me until another reading another post - that IS pretty much what Joe Bonamassa uses at times, isnt it? Now I absolutely understand that shitty little grin on his face when he hits his solos..:D


Happy Memorial Day

jb

i didn't want to say this since i DO believe in God , but if you were one of the apostoles and wrote only one page of the Book, i would be a full time Christian!!!!

My God, i could listen to your tone while u were describing it!!!!!!!!!!!!:drool:RoCkIn:D

[macmax77]

It didnt occur to me until another reading another post - that IS pretty much what Joe Bonamassa uses at times, isnt it? Now I absolutely understand that shitty little grin on his face when he hits his solos..:D


Happy Memorial Day

jb


:rotflmao

[Troubleman]

Sounds like a killer rig. Those old JMP steel-panels can get pretty dang loud! Two of 'em...? whoa!

What was your experience with the Clearsonic shields?
Did they effect your tone?
I'm planning on using them without mic'ing my amp - just using them to knock down the volume somewhat.
I do a similar thing with a '71 JMP combo 50 watter and a Bad Cat Panther or Greer Thunderbolt 30. I have a '69 JMP coming this week, so it may be the two Marshalls.

Amazing how the volume gets REALLY loud with two amps, isn't it!!

I need to attenuate each amp 1-2 clicks on 2 Komet Airbrakes, but it is a magical sound. I split the two amps out of a Replica. I love how there is an hint of a delay between the two amps whcih adds a thickening sound. With the delay on, it sounds killer. Plus, if you ever have an amp go down, you already have the backup running. BTW, I have used a Clearsonic to tame things down a bit.