Wanted: Cab that can handle below 30 Hz

[Zhangliqun]

I've been looking around for a 1x15 or 1x18 cab and none of them seem to go below 35Hz in frequency response. Since the low B is about 30-32Hz, 35 for the floor isn't going to cut it unless I'm missing something. I base that calculation on the A below the B being 27.5Hz: A = 440Hz or 220 or 110, 55, 27.5...etc

In the real world, I use a Nemesis 2x10 cab that you really have to fight to get the fundamental pitch on the B string, open up to the 3rd fret (D) at least. It's mostly overtones. I'm figuring it's in part because of the 10" speakers just not being able to handle below 35-40Hz, but maybe not. I hope there are smaller speaker options because those 1x18 and 1x21 cabs are awfully heavy.

[jay42]

18's are too slow...well, imo. If you really want that low end, I believe you need to look at Aguilar, Bergantino, and Epifani cabinets.

[PB+J]

As far as I know, no maker of bass cabs has a model that goes that low. And IMHO you don't want it--frequncies that low are slow, hard to manage, and people can't hear them. Pianos have those notes and almost never use them; pipe organs can play that low but usually it's just long single tones

[The Golden Boy]

Aren't the Acme cabs supposed to go down to around 30hz?

[Wing]

These you mean (http://www.acmebass.com/)

[jay42]

Aren't the Acme cabs supposed to go down to around 30hz?Website says -6dB at 31Hz for all models. I think you want that rolloff like PB+J mentioned.

[jeak]

J Design Cabs built me a 1x15 for my Stick, which has a low B. Jeff tuned the cab for 30Hz. Bergantinos are rated to handle 18Hz. This is typical subwoofer range. You're not supposed to hear it. You're supposed to feel it. Whether you want that or not is up to you.

[PB+J]

Jeak nails it. Those frequencies are more in the felt range. Most of the time, for the kind of playing I do, it's not necessary to go that low and it actually gets in the way--it takes a ton of power to drive very low frequencies and generally requires bigger, heavier cabs or, like the Acme, low efficiency. But if the music you're playing will work with big, rumbly pipe organ type stuff, cool.

You might want to describe what you're trying to do. A lot of classic, great sounding bass cabs (like the 8x10 svt) roll off above 41, which is the low "E."

[TedintheShed]

Bag End (http://www.bagend.com/) ELF systems can go down to 8 hz, but typically 18. It requires their crossover.

I am curently looking for an S18E-D to try this with, as I already have the crossover system and a 2x10 and 4x10 cab.

[Bassomatic]

As far as I know, no maker of bass cabs has a model that goes that low. And IMHO you don't want it--frequncies that low are slow, hard to manage, and people can't hear them. Pianos have those notes and almost never use them; pipe organs can play that low but usually it's just long single tones

Most folks can definitely hear freqs that low. And then there's the "feel" thing.

[jzucker]

don't think you need a speaker that goes that low. I get a great low b sound out of an epifani UL-310, UL112 or EA NL-210.

Depending on what kind of music you play, you may get too much thuddyness out of the 15 or 18. If you do any kind of fingerstyle funk, you probably won't like the bigger speakers...

[Pearly Gator]

When I worked for Cerwin Vega, Gene Cerwinski designed a corner plug with a pair of 18" woofers for that Earthquake move. I don't know if you can find them outside of movie theaters. They went down to ~15 Hz and had nothing above ~150 Hz. Next best might be the Cerwin Vega B48MF which is like the Acoustic bass 360 cab. My favorite for low lows is this:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Cerwin-Vega-EL36B-Earthquake-18-Inch-Subwoofer?sku=662010

[walterw]

Jeak nails it. Those frequencies are more in the felt range. Most of the time, for the kind of playing I do, it's not necessary to go that low and it actually gets in the way--it takes a ton of power to drive very low frequencies and generally requires bigger, heavier cabs or, like the Acme, low efficiency. But if the music you're playing will work with big, rumbly pipe organ type stuff, cool.

You might want to describe what you're trying to do. A lot of classic, great sounding bass cabs (like the 8x10 svt) roll off above 41, which is the low "E."

it's more than that--the classic svt 8x10" cabinet actually rolls off above the fundamental of all 4 bass strings; that's how it provides equal volume to all the notes on a bass.

there's a lot of science stuff about how we actually just hear harmonics of the lowest frequencies and "reconstruct" the fundamental in our minds. a lot of pipe organ design is based on this principle.

the upshot is that 20 to 30hz response is pretty much useless in real world situations, and won't be reproduced by even top-notch p.a. systems.

[PB+J]

yes, thank you, that's what I was trying to get at