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The Golden Boy
07-03-2007, 10:41 AM
I got my first bass, a 71-ish Gibson EB-0, around 1985. It played, and still feels absolutely wonderful.

http://images.lilypix.com/albums/userpics/10038/normal_davey86-1.jpg


But... It sounded like poop. It looked cool, but it sounded like poop. I wanted a "Fender" sound, and the EB-0 isn't meant to do that, but I didn't know that. Me, being the 16 year old that I was, figured that it would be a good idea to rout out a cavity and stick some P-Bass pickups in it. I also thought it would be cool to have a switch that could turn the P pickups of and on. I did all that, and it sounded like poop. Still.

There it is on the right with the SD P pickups in it in like 1990 or so.

http://images.lilypix.com/albums/userpics/10038/normal_1990collection.JPG

It had several unfortunate accidents and the headstock broke off several times.

Around 1995 the headstock broke again, this time I had a dude replace a few sections of wood, rather than just gluing and pinning. I also had the old 2 point bridge (with nylon saddles) replaced with a G&L unit that was laying around. I then began the quest to find a suitable pickup. I enlarged the rout for a G&L pickup (from the corpse of the same bass that donated its bridge) and that sounded like poop. I got the bright idea of moving the neck pickup back towards the bridge, so I enlarged the rout even MORE. That sounded like poop. Eventually I settled on a Jazz pickup and it sounded OK. A few years back I picked up a SD SCPB pickup and that sounded better than the Jazz pickup. Then I got the brilliant idea of actually measuring where the pickup SHOULD be located (which, of course, meant MORE wood was routed out). It's sounded pretty OK for the past 5 years or so- it's a short scale, mahogany bodied bass that's had the headstock torn off at least 5 times... How good do I expect it to sound?

The other night I was putzing with it and thought that it might be cool to be able to add in a touch of the neck pickup- it's just there- it hasn't been hooked up since I tried it as the bridge pickup over 10 years ago. So I hooked it up to the unused tone pot- as I've always done it. The effect was less than stunning. When the pots were wide open the mudbucker would totally overpower the P pickup, and when you rolled down the volume on one pickup, it would roll off the overall volume more than just rolling down the volume of one pickup. And I thought about it- the mudbucker is a stronger pickup, yeah, it's going to overpower the P. When you have 2 pickups together, like a LP, dropping the volume off on one, grounds the whole signal out... OK, that's just not going to work...

I gave up and was about to call it a night, and then I thought about the way a Jazz bass works... You can adjust the individual pickup volumes- even off- and it doesn't ground out the signal... Why? After looking at a Jazz schematic- the "in" lug of the pot is different than the way I normally wire them.

Looking at the back of the pot, with the center lug at 12:00, I always used the right lug as the "in," center as "out," and left as ground. It's the way it is on LPs and it was on the EB-0. However, the Jazz uses the center lug as the "in" and the right lug as "out." I did that, and BOOM! Full bodied, well defined, controllable, short scale goodness! After raising the P pickup a little more and lowering the polepieces on the mudbucker, it balanced out really well. I was actually really surprised at how well it sounded. I "might" throw a treble bleed cap on the mudbucker pot- as it is pretty... well... muddy on it's own with the volume rolled down. But with the P pickup wide open and the mudbucker around 5 or so, it sounds frickin' more awesome than a short scale bass is allowed to sound!

With all the excitement I have about the "new" sound of this bass, I still don't think this is going to be my "go to" bass ever again. It's ugly as sin. It's fragile. I don't think I could ever not completely fear taking it out without a backup. Last time I gigged this bass was around 2001 and I didn't know what to expect when I opened the case.

Anyway, just sharin'

http://images.lilypix.com/albums/userpics/10038/normal_EB-0body.jpg

gkoelling
07-03-2007, 11:02 AM
That's a lot of poop! Glad you finally got some of it cleaned up. :D

RickC
07-03-2007, 12:02 PM
I really like those slotted headstock EB's :AOK

I've got a 2-pickpup 60's Rivoli (i.e., EB-2) and it's a similar thing. Too much mud with the neckbucker on full, but roll it off just enough and the sound is amazing.

/rick

hawkeyeinexile
07-03-2007, 12:21 PM
have had & used my '65 since i got it from my brother in '67. interesting tone tips here - thanks!

:cool:

billyguitar
07-03-2007, 12:54 PM
I've got one of the early EBOs with the black pickup. I have flatwounds on it. For a fretted bass it sounds more like an upright than anything else. As a matter of fact my band recorded a new demo CD recently and on one swing tune the bass player used my EBO instead of his Kay upright. Sounded great.

The Golden Boy
07-03-2007, 01:03 PM
I really like those slotted headstock EB's :AOK

I've got a 2-pickpup 60's Rivoli (i.e., EB-2) and it's a similar thing. Too much mud with the neckbucker on full, but roll it off just enough and the sound is amazing.

/rick

Rick-

You have seen the headstock on this one, right? :p

http://images.lilypix.com/albums/userpics/10038/EB-0HeadFront.jpg

Do either of you guys know if there's a treble bleed cap on the mudbucker on your basses? There was a .001 cap on there, I'm assuming I added it after I discovered the treble bleed thing- but I don't remember... I should get a pic of the cavity on this thing...:worried


When I used to have the EB-2- I loved that thing- it was so classy, in that Paul Samwel-Smith sort of way. Unfortunately, it was really clean- even back then at 18-21 years old I was afraid for it and it really didn't do what I wanted it to do. Sometimes I wonder if a EB-2D would have made me happy (there was a beat up cherry one in a pawn shop in El Paso that I wanted SOOOO bad.), but I'm guessing it wouldn't have. Far too mellow- short scale, mahogany, hollow body... Doesn't exactly add up to a bright, ring-y sound.

RickC
07-03-2007, 02:37 PM
wild custom paint job on the front of that headstock :)

I don't know about treble bleed on mine; since it's a semi, there's no easy access cavity to look into.

/rick

thunderbroom
07-03-2007, 04:56 PM
http://thunderbroom.smugmug.com/photos/169236172-M.jpg

The Golden Boy
07-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Isn't that an EB-4?

thunderbroom
07-03-2007, 11:26 PM
EB-4's are long scale 34" while EB-0's are 30". Sometime in the 70's the pickup was moved towards the middle on eb-0 and eb-3. it hink it was an attempt to cure the mudbucker sound.

The Golden Boy
07-04-2007, 09:40 AM
That's nifty! Now that you mention it, I think I have seen EB-3s with the mudbucker closer towards the bridge.

If you get a chance, could you please measure the distance from the 12th fret to the pole pieces, and see what fret that distance corresponds to on the other side of the 12th fret?

Just curious...

RickC
07-04-2007, 07:32 PM
EB-4s were and maybe are still sleepers on the bass market; almost a T-bird kinda thing.

/rick

LeonardScaper
07-05-2007, 07:29 AM
Too much mud with the neckbucker on full, but roll it off just enough and the sound is amazing.

I always roll off a little on my EB3 ('69).
Cleans up the tone big time.

garfight
07-05-2007, 02:54 PM
i picked up a 71 or 72 about 2 weeks ago and it's quickly becoming my favorite.
it has the pickup closer to the bridge and really doesn't have the characteristic mud sound unless the tone is rolled all the way off. i'm assuming moving the pickup back some did take care of alot of the mud.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/ianleague/guitar%20pics/bass/ebo/eboampup.jpg

The Golden Boy
07-05-2007, 07:47 PM
Is that the stock bridge- the three point guy?

garfight
07-06-2007, 12:30 AM
Is that the stock bridge- the three point guy?


yeah as far as i know it's all stock.

TedintheShed
07-06-2007, 08:51 AM
Exactly the EB-0 I started playing with in '86. It was a 1974 w/cloverleafs just like that, same PU position and everything.

I had my senior class pics taken with it.

http://thunderbroom.smugmug.com/photos/169236172-M.jpg

Alvis
07-08-2007, 02:22 PM
i had a 72 SB-450 (used by Robt. Kearns in photo) It was really cool .Wish I still had it.It had single coil pickups in the neck and middle positions.When both pickups were on ,they were in series.Man, did it sound fat with that SVT

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