New Boomerang III looper info

[g-nem]

I don't know that it's officially announced yet but I stumbled on a product page on the giardinelli (http://www.giardinelli.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerLooper?sku=152266&src=AWDT3E1) website today. Here's a big quote:

True Stereo
Over 17 minutes of recording time (mono)
6 independent loops
Play loops sequentially or simultaneously
Undo/Redo capability
Loop extend'
Loop copy
Reverse lead live
Auto fade out
Metronome with loop quantize
Octave down effect (for bass line creation)
Reverse playback
Layer merging
Wedge shaped
Made in Texas

9.3" wide x 6.0" deep x 2.2" high
Stereo/Mono Inputs and Outputs
9V AC/DC 400mA
Expression pedal input
Rang™ input
Pedal Link™ output

Also of interest is this paragraph:

Part of a family of great sounding effect pedals from BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects and be true stereo. There are 11 preset locations for storing your own sounds. Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) level or morph between two different sounds that you define. All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all linked pedals will respond.

Sounds like boomerang has plans of world domination!

I've seen links to the boomerang II for musicians friend (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-Sample-rLooper?sku=152266) but they're coming up as dead links right now. I'm sure they'll activate at some point.

And unfortunately, no pix :(

[BmoreTele]

Very interesting.

This is one of a number of new loopers or delays with looping to come out in the last year or so -

RC-2, RC-50, Looperlative, EHX 2880, EHX SMM + Hazarai, Eventide TimeFactor, Echolution ...

The "bedroom players" seems to have been noticed by the manufacturers.

The Rang III has been "coming soon" for about a year. The price point, ease of use, and sound quality will make or break it.

[g-nem]

The Rang III has been "coming soon" for about a year.

Thats what makes the bit about the whole new line of pedals so amusing. . .

[JoshuaLogan]

The "bedroom players" seems to have been noticed by the manufacturers.


What does that have to do with looping? I'm guessing you've never seen what some bands do with loopers? Some bedroom players might use loopers for practicing, but they are used by lots artists too... sampling and triggering samples with multiple loopers while playing other parts, creating ambient soundscapes to loop behind songs, etc...

[JoshuaLogan]

The Rang III has been "coming soon" for about a year. The price point, ease of use, and sound quality will make or break it.

It looks like it's going to be priced at $439, as that price is listed on a bunch of different websites. I'm thinking it will be extremely easy to use and really intuitive.

Sound quality is gonna be a big thing... A bunch of people have already commented on saying how the Eventide Timefactor's looper sounds much better thant he old DL4's... probably better than most then. I wonder how the boomerang will compare.

Another big thing for some people will be how big the pedal is itself. The old boomerangs are huge. I wonder what the size will be like on the new one.

[DavidH]

What does that have to do with looping? I'm guessing you've never seen what some bands do with loopers? Some bedroom players might use loopers for practicing, but they are used by lots artists too... sampling and triggering samples with multiple loopers while playing other parts, creating ambient soundscapes to loop behind songs, etc...

I don't think it was a negative comment in any way,the majority of units won't be used in a live band situation,but used by home players for practice/jamming and as a creative tool.You can say the same for all pedals though,most of them are nice toys,not working tools.Mine are toys,i get a lot of pleasure out of playing with them.

The new 'rang sounds complicated,i hope it's not one of those pedals that seems perfectly simple in the desinger's mind,but makes you think too much when you use it.how intuitive it is to use would be a factor with me.

[BmoreTele]

What does that have to do with looping? I'm guessing you've never seen what some bands do with loopers? Some bedroom players might use loopers for practicing, but they are used by lots artists too... sampling and triggering samples with multiple loopers while playing other parts, creating ambient soundscapes to loop behind songs, etc...


+1 to Davd H.

I'm saying that there's a market for folks who play by themselves and want to create the sound of a band. It's a big enough market to support a variety of loopers.

I'm well aware of artists like John Scofield, Avi Bortnick, Steve Lawson, Robert Fripp, David Torn, etc.

There are a lot more amateurs than pros out here.

[JoshuaLogan]

The Boomerang III E-156 Phrase Sampler/Looper is a little powerhouse that records in true stereo (or mono). The Boomerang has over 17 minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In the latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent from each other.

After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded. Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This provides an undo/redo capability.

The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to a "Bonus" button. Includes loop extend, loop copy, reverse lead live, auto fade out, metronome with loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), reverse playback and layer merging (combine all layers to free up memory).

There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. The pedal is easy to operate and intuitive, but has lots of options. Volume is controlled by an external expression pedal.

Part of a family of great sounding effect pedals from BMP. Each pedal will have 2 different effects and be true stereo. There are 11 preset locations for storing your own sounds. Connect an expression pedal and you can control overall effect(s) level or morph between two different sounds that you define. All the pedals in this family will be linkable to form a complete effects system. Press store or recall on any one pedal and all linked pedals will respond.

"Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang® Phrase Sampler makes you play better."

[onemind]

Thanks for your inquiry about Boomerang III E-156 Phrase Sampler/Looper

This item is currently on order and expected to arrive in our warehouse by 11/15/2007. We will send you another email as soon as it is in stock.

[Mincer]

No battery power option! However, this looks like the one to directly challange the RC-50...love to try it, since the RC-50 has some things that annoy me.

[jes]

"This item is currently on order and expected to arrive in our warehouse by 11/15/2007."

Christmas gift :rotflmao

[drolling]

Sound quality is gonna be a big thing... A bunch of people have already commented on saying how the Eventide Timefactor's looper sounds much better thant he old DL4's... probably better than most then. I wonder how the boomerang will compare.Couldn't possibly be any worse than the DL-4. Don't get me wrong here, the DL-4's the most simple & intuative looper I've ever used.. Very easy to get up, running & making music right out the box, without even cracking the manual - Loved being able to toggle between full/half-speed/reverse at the push of a button (with my foot!! No more bending/fumbling in the dark).

If mine hadn't died on me, I'd still be using it today.

But it's not known for its pristine tones. Doesn't seem to bother lots of players, but unless my guitar was slathered w/tons of effects, the *digitalness* of the sound really got on my nerves.

I recently read an interview with KT Tunstall (sp?) where she mentioned trying to use the DL-4 on 'Black Horse & Cherry Tree', but her vocals were too distorted. She ended up going with another cheap/simple looper; the Akai Headrush E2.

Anyway, getting back OT, is it safe to assume that the new 'Rang will be able to store that 17 minutes of sound?? As much as I dig my old Rang+, losing all your loops at powerdown can be heartbreaking if you're not set up to record. That's probably how they arrived at the name for the original Lexicon JamMan - pull the plug & the jam's gone forever..

[KagakuNinja]

Anyway, getting back OT, is it safe to assume that the new 'Rang will be able to store that 17 minutes of sound?? As much as I dig my old Rang+, losing all your loops at powerdown can be heartbreaking if you're not set up to record. That's probably how they arrived at the name for the original Lexicon JamMan - pull the plug & the jam's gone forever..

None of the older loopers ever stored loops, perhaps some of the newer ones use static RAM cards or something (which is more expensive). The Gibson EDP has a way to store the loop via MIDI, but it is very very slow.

Btw, the reason this is part of some kind of new line of effects, is that, like the Eventide, it is probably based around a programmable DSP engine. My guess is that the Eventide ModFactor and TimeFactor are basically the same pedal inside, just different software. I do like the fact that the Boomerang III may (should it ever ship) allow you to hook multiple ones together in some special way. I had this idea myself, if the pedals of the future are digital, you won't want to go through multiple A/D and D/A conversion stages.

This is a long way of saying, that given a general purpose DSP design, I suspect that the memory will not persist when you shut it off, but who knows.

[TieDyedDevil]

Thanks for your inquiry about Boomerang III E-156 Phrase Sampler/Looper

This item is currently on order and expected to arrive in our warehouse by 11/15/2007. We will send you another email as soon as it is in stock.


If that's Musicians Friend, good luck. I've been watching a product that has been scheduled to arrive "real soon now" (varying dates) since April. Still not in stock...

[Glide]

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Is it in stock?