DigiTech GSP1101 -- First Impressions and Short Review

[Deuterium]

Confusion --> Frustration --> Panic --> Revelation --> Inspiration --> Happiness & Satisfaction --> Anticipation of further and future tonal wonders

I went thru each of these successive stages during my first 4-hours with my new GSP1101. The first hour and half was taken up mostly with the physical hook-up and connections with my existing rig, initial power on, initial programming set-up, and initial MAJOR PANIC and Bewilderment...due to the crappy sound I was getting. YIKES!!!! :eek:

How could this state-of-the art, next-gen, pro-class rack mount preamp/modeler/MultiFX system, designed with 2 of the newest, high powered audio/DSP processors (Harman's Audio DNA2 chips), and including a feature-rich set of digitally modeled stomp box pedals, point-to-point topology amp models, and high-end Chorus/FX, Delays and Lexicon Reverbs...sound so terrible, muddy, and down-right fugally ??? :confused:

Quite easily, actually...If It HASN'T BEEN SET-UP PROPERLY by the Owner/User. :jo

Indeed, despite an extensive pre-study of the GSP1101's User Manual, and carefully following the step-by-step instructions in the automated User Setup/configuration menu...somehow I still managed to screw this up somehow. :freak: Of course, I didn't realize this until after I had completed the initial setup procedures, and began sampling the first pre-set. As soon as I turned up my guitar, and played a couple of notes, I realized something was terribly wrong. And my only hope was that it wasn't a poor choice in new products on my part. And, as it turns out, this fortunately is not the case.

On the contrary. After figuring out what was going wrong, and making the appropriate corrections...I am convinced that DigiTech has developed and delivered a fantastic product, in the GSP1101.

Now, in my defense...and despite of the well thought out, automated set-up menu (which walks the User thru the different configuration modes, and fine tunes the processor algorithms so as to sound the best with your unique gear and method of sound reproduction), there still remains sources of confusion. And, it is rather easy to over-look a key parameter or two, which can make all the difference in the world.

In my particular case, I had made the correct physical connections, as well as correctly "telling" the GSP1101 how I wanted it to be configured, during the automated set-up procedure. What I had overlooked, is a parameter in the main "Edit Effects/Preset menu. Even though I had correctly answered the set-up questions, and had clearly programmed the GSP1101 to configure itself for "Amp Input/Preamp Loop"...for some NON-intuitive reason, I still had to manually re-configure two settings;

1) In the Global Functions menu, I had to get into the "I/O" Setup, and set the "Type of Loop" to ==> "Into/Ext Preamp". This configures the GSP1101 so as to allow the use of EITHER your existing stomp box pedals and main amp, OR to bypass your external amp & stomp box pedals, and instead utilize the GSP1101's internal preamp/amp modeling. << Note that this pre-supposes that you; a) have an amp which has built-in FX loop, and b) that you have physically hooked up your amp and GSP1101 in the 4-cable method, as depicted on page 12 of the USER MANUAL (and designated as Set-up configuration #7 -- "Amp Input/Preamp Loop" >>.
2) Next, I had to return to the pre-programmed factory preset, enter the Edit mode, and select the menu "FX loop" and manually set and program it for either "external" or "internal" preamp.

BERFORE I HAD DISCOVERED THIS..I SOMEHOW HAD THE INTERNAL AMP MODELS ACTIVITACTED, AS WELL AS MY EXTERNAL PREAMP OF MY VALVEKING 100. SO, WHAT WAS HAPPENNING WAS THAT, EFFECTIVELY, I WAS GOING THRU TWO PREAMPS IN SERIES. In other words, my signal included both the internal GSP1101 preamp as well as my ValveKing's preamp. No wonder it sounded like complete and utter crap.

Once I found the error, I re-set the programming so that it was either one or the other...not both.

Once corrected, I set the GSP1101 to have my external Valveking' preamp in the loop (with the GSP1101's internal preamp/amp bypassed)...now I had my standard wonderful tone from the Peavey...yet I still could include the GSP1101's post-Amp FXs, such as chorus, delays and reverbs.

Alternatively, I set the GSP1101 to turn off the "External Loop" (thereby bypassing my ValveKing's preamp) and enabled the GSP1101's internal preamp modeling. Again, great results! The GSP1101's internal preamp, in combination with my Peavey ValveKing's 6L6-based power section, is an excellent match.

In fact, I very quickly was able to program and save my first User pre-set, in which I have selected the GSP1101's "DigiTech Blues" preamp/amp model. I also programmed in the GSP1101's model of the MXR DynaComp compressor, and TS-808 Tube Screamer Overdrive. Finally, I added a bit of tasty and warm plate reverb. These took me all of 5-minutes to program and tweak some parameters, and then save. Keep in mind that this is just my first pass at making my own patch from scratch. Nevertheless, the results were FANTASTASTIC. I was getting a wonderful overdriven tone, that has a nice mid-range...and perfect for single-note Lead / Solo lines. This sounded like the real deal. It had none of the fake, digital sounding harshness of the Line 6 POD series. It was alive, it breathed, and sounded wonderfully 3-dimensional!

So, to make a long story long... I haven't even scratched the surface of the GSP1101's sonic landscape. Nor have I yet had a chance to listen to all the different amp models the GSP1101 has to offer...probably because I had so much fun playing with this first program/patch I made.

I did, however, spend a few minutes audtioning a few select amp models. These are based on the Solano SLO 100, and Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier. I have never heard, first-hand, the sound from a SLO. Therefore, I can't compare how "accurate" the DigiTech GSP1101's model is. However, I CAN SAY that this model kicked all kinds of ass. The creamy, liquid sustain was simply sublime. And there was a huge amount of useable gain range, available. The model of the M-B Dual Rec was very, very impressive. And that is an amp I have owned, and know well. Again, DigiTech nailed the "in your F'n face" gain, as well as the Rectifier's somewhat buzzy distortion and feedback

I also sampled some of DigiTech's own models, including an eerily accurate model of the DigiTech GSP2101 Artist "Saturated Tube". I am also happy to report that the factory pre-programmed presets all all quite nice. They give you a wide selection of tones, and demonstrate the many different effects and effects combinations which are available. My initial perception is that all the factory presets show taste and moderation. There is none of the crazy, over-the-top, effects-laden garbage that typically is found on these kinds of devices. DigiTech has wisely decided to take a more serious, conservative approach with the factory presets...and the results are evident and (at least for me) appreciated.


Cheers,
John (Deuterium)
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[cmacalpine]

thanks John,

great review and some very useful info. i am considering pulling the trigger on of these for my marshall vintage modern in a wet/dry context. it appears to have further refined some of the algorithms from the gsp2101 and kept the family interface. sounds like a good deal!

thanks again,

chris m

[Deuterium]

thanks John,

great review and some very useful info. i am considering pulling the trigger on of these for my marshall vintage modern in a wet/dry context. it appears to have further refined some of the algorithms from the gsp2101 and kept the family interface. sounds like a good deal!

thanks again,

chris m

Hi Chris, thanks for the kind words. Indeed, I hope you get a chance to check out the GSP1101. If you liked the GSP2101, I am sure you will love this new system from DigiTech. One of the most important features, for me, is that it doesn't mess with your tone. That, and you can use as much, or as little, of the built-in models and FX as you want...while still keeping your core tone and sound from your main amp.

By the way, I clicked on your website, and you were born in Springfield, MA, and your last name is MacAlpine...

Your father's first name wouldn't happen to be Tony, would it?

I grew up in East Longmeadow, MA. I also took guitar lessons from Tony MacAlpine when I was much younger (obviously). :cool::)

[Mincer]

any idea how this would do for more extreme sounds? I tend to gravitate away from classic sounds- currently I use a GT-Pro into a full-range system (no amp). The GT-Pro can do some pretty sick stuff, but I was curious about the digitech. I did own the digitech 2120, but honestly hated it- lack of dynamic 'feel' and a general 'wooliness' to all the sounds. I hope this one is better!

[Todd Lynch]

Nice review; thanks.

[Deuterium]

any idea how this would do for more extreme sounds? I tend to gravitate away from classic sounds- currently I use a GT-Pro into a full-range system (no amp). The GT-Pro can do some pretty sick stuff, but I was curious about the digitech. I did own the digitech 2120, but honestly hated it- lack of dynamic 'feel' and a general 'wooliness' to all the sounds. I hope this one is better!

I can confirm that there are some very sick, extreme sounds, available with the GSP1101. I am just the opposite, I tend to like medium to high overdrive sounds...versus true distortion. However, the GSP1101's Dual Rectifier model with maxed out gain is pretty punishing, as well as the SLO model. Put one of the modeled distortion pedals in front, and you definitely have some insane, brutal modern metal sounds. Again, not my particular cup of tea...but it is there is you want it.

I am more into an early Yngwie tone. I have been using the Marshall Super Lead as well as the Matchless and Digitech's "Blues" amp models. I place a DOD 250 or TS-808 OD model in front, and then include some post-Amp EQ. This is a recipe for some great lead/solo tones.

[cmacalpine]

" By the way, I clicked on your website, and you were born in Springfield, MA, and your last name is MacAlpine...

Your father's first name wouldn't happen to be Tony, would it?

I grew up in East Longmeadow, MA. I also took guitar lessons from Tony MacAlpine when I was much younger (obviously)."

He's my brother. My dad's name was Arthur. All of us siblings are talented musically, don't know about the kids :).

chris m

[Mincer]

I can confirm that there are some very sick, extreme sounds, available with the GSP1101. I am just the opposite, I tend to like medium to high overdrive sounds...versus true distortion. However, the GSP1101's Dual Rectifier model with maxed out gain is pretty punishing, as well as the SLO model. Put one of the modeled distortion pedals in front, and you definitely have some insane, brutal modern metal sounds. Again, not my particular cup of tea...but it is there is you want it.

I am more into an early Yngwie tone. I have been using the Marshall Super Lead as well as the Matchless and Digitech's "Blues" amp models. I place a DOD 250 or TS-808 OD model in front, and then include some post-Amp EQ. This is a recipe for some great lead/solo tones.

ahh cool...actually, I love Yngwie's tone too. What I really meant is real wackiness, like not even sounding like a guitar...kinda like Robert Fripp gets sometimes. I wonder if the delays are long enough to loop?

[Deuterium]

ahh cool...actually, I love Yngwie's tone too. What I really meant is real wackiness, like not even sounding like a guitar...kinda like Robert Fripp gets sometimes. I wonder if the delays are long enough to loop?

Oh, yes indeed. There are some real spacey effects built-in to the GSP1101.

I would recommend downloading the User Manual (if you haven't already), to get an idea of it's features and capabilities.

Here is a direct link to download The GSP1101 User Manual:

ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manuals/GSP1101/GSP1101Manual18_0474_B.pdf

[Deuterium]

He's my brother. My dad's name was Arthur. All of us siblings are talented musically, don't know about the kids :).

chris m

Hi Chris:

Very cool. And small world. I still live in Western MA. My wife and I live outside of Amherst. I saw your brother recently when he was touring with Steve Vai, and they came to Hartford.

[Mincer]

wow, this is so weird...guess what i was listening to while i was reading this...'Maximum Security'...great stuff there!

[Deuterium]

Okay, I have spent some more time with the GSP1101.
All I can say is...this little son of a bitch continues to impress me.

Strictly focusing on the digital modeling aspects (tone and tube amp feel), it is a as good, if not a bit better, then my Vox Valvetronix "Blue" AD120VTH head and ToneLab LE. It definitely has the ability to get more "hair" and dirt, compared to the Vox units. The high gain tones in the GSP1101 are fantastic. However, just as good, are the medium and low gain tones. The DigiTech GSP1101 has some great Fender models, and even better Marshalls. For High Gainers, the JCM2000 and '77 Master Volume Marshalls are top notch. Also for high to extreme gain, the Dual Rectifier and Soldano models are superb.

One can get some crazy, evil, sinister gain by cranking the Rectifier model with one of the "less subtle" stompbox models that are available, such as the DigiTech "Grunge", The Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, or the DigiTech Death Metal.

These aren't to any of my tastes, but I know some people will like them, becuase the tone I was getting sounded just like some of the stupid, over-the-top distortion which can be heard on most Rock/Metal radio stations these days... you know, the ones with the Cookie Monster vocals.

For medium gain...I think I am most impressed with the Matchless model. This has a beautiful, warm, chimey tone. I can get a wonderful blues lead out of it with any of the excellent virtual OD stompbox models (TS-9, TS-808, Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive, DOD 250). For even higher gain, the Distortion stompbox models work great (MXR Distortion plus, Pro Co Rat, Boss DS-1).

Leaving aside the built-in preamp/amp modeling...
My absolute favorite feature of the GSP1101 is the seamless ability to use the preamp of your existing amp, while completly bypassing the internal preamp/amp modeling of the GSP1101. I am playing thru a Peavey ValveKing 100 head. I can program a patch setting which adds one of the GSP1101's virtual stompbox pedals in front of my ValveKing, then bypasses the internal preamp to go thru the front-end of the ValveKing...so all the tone is coming from my ValveKings preamp and tone stack...then the signal goes back thru the GSP1101's digital FX section to add some delay or reverb, and then returns to ValveKing's power tube / amp section.

Furthermore, the onboard digital FXs (modulations, delays, reverbs) are all fantastic, and wonderfully transparent. Another very cool feature is the ability to assign the Modulation FX either before the distortion/preamp, or after (Post-amp).

I think all of the postAmp FX are great, but the ones that particularly standout, for me, are: BOSS CE-2 Chorus, Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress Flanger, MXR Phaser (Phase 100), Boss DM-2 Analog Delay, Digitech's Tape Delay model, and all the Lexicon Reverbs (simply beautiful).

[tremonti]

The GSP1101 is the best effects piece out for it's ease of use, size, capabilities and its modeling abilities. Let me first state that I am a gear freak...I buy stuff all the time on Ebay(to my wife's dismay) used and try it for a while and keep it if I like it or sell it if I dont. My current rig is a Mesa Triaxis, a Mesa power 2:90, and now the GSP1101. I sold my G major the same day I received the GSP1101 because it totally was what I needed. Effects sound bettr and the fact that you can midi control taking your current preamp out or using it in conjuction with the GSP's onboard preamp/distortion/fuzz/overdrive is incredible. I have owned a Vetta head, a cybertwin, a Boss GT-3, and various other Line 6 products and this things blows them all away. I play in a cover band and use various PRS and custom built guitar and this GSP is here to stay! -Nathan Van Halen- <----just kiddin(playing off the Macalpine thing above):crazyguy

[Mincer]

Had you tried it direct to a full range PA or direct to recording (no amp)? There are some annoyances I have with the GT-Pro I have been using, and although I didn't like the old-generation GSP 2120 I had (cleans and semi cleans always sounded like they were under a pillow), this review got me thinking about DIgitech again. Since the ad copy stresses how well it sounds with an amp, I am worried that it doesn't sounds as full and open with a full range system.

[Deuterium]

Had you tried it direct to a full range PA or direct to recording (no amp)? There are some annoyances I have with the GT-Pro I have been using, and although I didn't like the old-generation GSP 2120 I had (cleans and semi cleans always sounded like they were under a pillow), this review got me thinking about DIgitech again. Since the ad copy stresses how well it sounds with an amp, I am worried that it doesn't sounds as full and open with a full range system.

Hello Mincer:

I use mine with my tube amp and Vox guitar cabinet. I have not connected it direct, to a full range PA. However, if you do a Search on the Harmony Central Effects forum (Search for "GSP1101", you will find commentary by some owners who have connected it direct, and love the tone.). Just because DigiTech is advertising how well it works with a traditional amp/cabinet set-up, doesn't mean that they cut any corners when it comes to connecting direct to a full-range system. There is a wide assortment of cabinet simulations that can be selected with the amp models...and you can use either the 1/4" outputs or the XLR outputs for connecting direct.

[Deuterium]

bump for Mincer

[Mincer]

yeah, reading through the manual, there is a lot there. not as many effects as the GT series, but it looks like they put the right ones in. I will check out HC threads, as well as try one out myself, if I can find one set up in a store somewhere.

[Supertgtr]

My GSP1101 showed up today! Woohoo! I admit, I bought this unit without playing it beforehand. Took a risk, and it paid off. This unit sounds VERY good. I'm running it through a Mesa Lonestar Special, there's no noticable tone suckage, and it actually sounds REAL.
The amp models that really stand out to me so far are:
Marshall Plexi
Mesa Dual Rec
SLO100
Fender Twin
Fender 65 deluxe reverb

I've got about 3 hours with it, and I've only scratched the surface. Can't wait to play some more tomorrow!

[dk123123dk]

Can you use this with two amps for stereo effects? So say you have two identical amps with effects loops, could you put one stage left and one stage right, and still use both preamps?

This thing looks cool.

dk

[dk123123dk]

Ohh and how are the fuzz tones? Would you say its a heavy fuzz ala smashing pumkins, or a lighter fuzz ala early hendrix? Thanks

dk

[Supertgtr]

I've had some time with the unit to really dive into it. There's some shortcomings that have come to light.
- The delay is not very adjustable. Only a few preset times, and no tap tempo. Major bummer.
- No tap tempo
- No presence knob
- like the pod and other modelers, the dymanic range of the unit is compressed. Not too noticable, but it's there.

[Deuterium]

I've had some time with the unit to really dive into it. There's some shortcomings that have come to light.
- The delay is not very adjustable. Only a few preset times, and no tap tempo. Major bummer.
- No tap tempo
- No presence knob
- like the pod and other modelers, the dymanic range of the unit is compressed. Not too noticable, but it's there.

Hi Supertgtr:

Not sure what you are talkin' about with the Delays. The delays are adjustable within 10 msec increments...which basically means you can tweak the delay time to exact amount.

The "Presence" control would be on your seperate Power Amp...not the preamp. So, if you are using the GSP1101 with an existing tube combo or head, use the Presence control on that. Presence control is meant to adjust the high frequency response of the Power Tubes/Power section...not the preamp.

And we will have to agree to disagree about the dynamic range. I find the GSP1101 to be head and shoulders above the equivalent Line 6 POD products...ESPECIALLY in terms of dynamic range. I hope you weren't making this judgement by demo'ing a preset that happened to have one of the built-in, modeled Compressor's activated. You might want to double check that.

To get a true sense of the GSP1101's capabilities, you should program your own, dry patch, with just an amp model activitated...and then slowly add on the effects you want.

[3 Mile Stone]

I've had some time with the unit to really dive into it. There's some shortcomings that have come to light.
- The delay is not very adjustable. Only a few preset times, and no tap tempo. Major bummer.
- No tap tempo
- No presence knob
- like the pod and other modelers, the dymanic range of the unit is compressed. Not too noticable, but it's there.

Crap! That's a deal killer for me. Gotta have 1ms adjustment is a must!

[Deuterium]

Crap! That's a deal killer for me. Gotta have 1ms adjustment is a must!

Are you being serious...or are you joking.

The human ear / brain can just barely make out the timing difference between 1 msec and 10 msec...and certainly it would be impossible in a live / band setting.

10 msec increments is fine, IMHO.

[cmacalpine]

a quick question:

how do you think it will work as an effects processor only?
by this i mean bypassing its modeling/preamp features.
is its midi implementation as deep as the 2101's to allow control over any module parameters?

[Funky Monkey]

a quick question:

how do you think it will work as an effects processor only?
by this i mean bypassing its modeling/preamp features.
is its midi implementation as deep as the 2101's to allow control over any module parameters?

That's what I was looking at it for. Except for purposely whacked out amp sounds, I have no interest in the preamp/amp/cab model features. The effects are what I'm going to check out. I've got two half-rack units to cover my needs, but they're definitely old-technology/fidelity. If this can take their place, I'm there.

[Deuterium]

a quick question:

how do you think it will work as an effects processor only?
by this i mean bypassing its modeling/preamp features.
is its midi implementation as deep as the 2101's to allow control over any module parameters?

Hi Chris!

A shout out to Springfield, MA natives !! :BEER

The GSP1101 is replacing my Rocktron Xpression, if that can give you any guidance.

No...the GSP1101's individual effect paramaters are NOT as deep as the 2101 series. However, I trully feel that what is there, and more importantly, what paramaters are available for tweaking...are just right. A perfect balance between TOO much (too complex) access of individual parameters, and TOO Little.

For instance, the 2101 gives you something like TWENTY (20) individual parameter to tweak for it's "GigaVerb" Reverb setting, alone.

The GSP1101 gives you FOUR (4).

I don't know about everyone else...but I want to PLAY the darn thing...not sit there and muddle through a gazillion different tweaks. I really don't need to worry about setting/adjusting the paramater for "Reverb Early Reflection Stereo Blend" :crazy. But that's just me.

The GSP1101 offers six (6) different Reverb types...4 of which are true Lexicon Reverbs. I am VERY satisfied with the amount and QUALITY of the built-in Reverbs, as well as ALL of the other GSP1101 effects. They sound very rich and 3-dimensional...and they seamlessly blend and complement your original tone, rather than sounding like they are just "tacked on". Don't get me wrong, I very much liked my Rocktron Xpression. However, the GSP1101's effects (putting aside the amp modeling) just sound better.

Again, I can't really advise if the GSP1101 would cause you to retire your GSP2101. I used to own the 2101 many years ago...and from what I remeber, it had great sounding modulation and time-based digital effects (chorus, delays, reverbs, etc.). I wasn't so crazy about the overdrive/distortions, however.

The GSP1101 seems to me, to be very much tailored for the working musician. I think DigiTech put a lot of thought into providing a suite of quality digital effects (along with the killer stompox and amp models) which provides an excellent balance of ease of utility and "plug & play" operation.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Cheers,
John S (Deuterium)

[Supertgtr]

Actually, I have my GSP1101 in the FX loop (post preamp, AFTER the presence control) of my lonestar amp to be able to switch between the preamp on my amp and the modeled preamps of the GSP1101. So I can't adjust the presence while using a modeled amp. Presence control is part of the preamp section, NOT the power section of my amp.

Are you sure about the 10ms increment on the delays? On the reverbs that is true, but I havent found that to be so on the delay section. I use a laptop to adjust parameters, and I havent been able to make that fine of adjustments. Been using the analog delay and the tape delay presets, Maybe it's my mousepad though.
Not having tap tempo control though on this piece, is disappointing though. That really should have been on this. Tap tempo = easy adjustment.

No, I don't have a compressor preset activated. When comparing my real Mesa Dual Rec to the Modeled dual rec preset, or my real Fender Deluxe to the preset on the GSP throught the lonestar, the difference is dramatic. BUT the benefit of not having to haul my rig to gigs every weekend and spend 20 minutes setting it all up and tear it down, might outweigh the limited dynamic range.

[Mincer]

I posted most of this on the Digitech forum, but reading through these posts, it might help someone here.

My GSP arrived a few days ago and so far I have compared it to my GT-Pro, which sells for $200 more. Lets see what we lose with that $200.

My rig is different than Digitech's target market- I use preamps to blend with a guitar synth/looping rig. I plug into a mixer & into a PA. While basic clean and crunchy sounds are important, I need a lot of weird stuff too.

First, right out of the box, the basic 'meat and potatoes' guitar sounds in the GSP are really good. Present, crunchy, chimey...they are all there and demonstrated nicely with the presets. The GT-Pro has this too, but you gotta dig. A lot. Like, an awful lot. But they are there. The presets in the Boss unit aren't a good demonstration at all.

The clean sounds of the GSP out of the box are way more 'present' than the GT...although you can get about the same with the GT with tweaking. I love to tweak, but the GT is really deep. So it takes awhile. The good thing about the GT-Pro is that, say, if you like your reverb setting, you can save it with the reverb section and use it with other presets. You can do this with any effect. Can't do this with the GSP and X-Edit. In fact, the editable parameters for the GSP are pretty small...probably 1/10th of what the GT-Pro offers.

The GSP's effects are in a fixed order...the GT's effects can be moved around a lot...the GSP also offers much less effects too- sticking to either the basic group or some of the gimmicky synth talking stuff.
I can approximate Fripp's soundscapes or Holdsworth's clean chords on both units, they just sound better on the GT-Pro.
The GT has better acoustic simulations, a 2 voice pitch shifter, and a ton of delays. I can make alien insect sounds on the GT, although I haven't found them yet on the GSP.
The GSP's reverbs sound better, but there isn't much tweaking there. This can be good, or bad.

The GSP is marketed to people not wanting to give up the tube amp- in fact, the amp models sound great at full dynamics. Turn down the volume and you hear a few grainy trails. It might sound good with a tube amp to smooth them, but I plug right into a mixer and into powered PA cabs.

Obviously, the GT-Pro beats it in the connections department. I hate that you can connect an exp pedal to the GSP but not a momentary footswitch for CC toggles or tap tempo- how did they forget this? The software for the GT-Pro is really really a lot better too.

I understand that guitarists might not want the hassle of programming...the GSP has a place there. Or if you use a guitar amp and a few of the basic pedals everyone has used for years. The GSP is your unit.
Overall, the modeling on the GSP makes great guitar sounds. Great classic guitar sounds. As long as that is where your tastes begin and end, you are set. With limited editing, 1 voice pitch shifter, no single footswitch jack, and limited effects routing (not to mention a severe limitation on what can be used at the same time), it probably won't end up in my keep pile. I might give it another week.

Personally, I think distorted sounds are easy to make sound good. It is the clean ones and semi dirty that is hard. The Digitech does both well, but puts that engine with a crippled effects processor. I will work on getting sounds tonight some more, though.

Digitech's marketing is geared at 'good tones fast', and the ads I have seen really push how it sounds with a 'regular guitar rig' (tube amp with fx loop). I don't use my preamps that way. It has to sound good going into a mixer, getting mixed with guitar synth, looped and out to the PA. It also has to be deep enough so that if I want to craft something unusual, it is there. I think the GSP might be brilliant at interfacing with a normal rig, but the lack of programability coupled with a pretty basic effects selection (not to mention fixed routing) really takes it out of the 'deep user' league. Still, if you love traditional guitar tones, love your amp, and just want to add some different modeling flavors and good effects, the GSP is about all that is out there right now. And it is probably better than anything out there for this application.

My hope was that with all the hype about processing power that we would at least be able to replicate some of the Space Station presets, have more than 1 voice pitch shifter, and be able to tap tempos for delays, chorus or trem...

Again, if I were only emulating classic sounds, this unit may be the best modeler around. If you are looking for classic as well as new, different, strange stuff, the limited effects choices and routing will get frustrating.

I'm still not giving up yet. I will work with it today, but I am leaning on sending it back.

[Deuterium]

I posted most of this on the Digitech forum, but reading through these posts, it might help someone here.

My GSP arrived a few days ago and so far I have compared it to my GT-Pro, which sells for $200 more. Lets see what we lose with that $200.

My rig is different than Digitech's target market- I use preamps to blend with a guitar synth/looping rig. I plug into a mixer & into a PA. While basic clean and crunchy sounds are important, I need a lot of weird stuff too.

First, right out of the box, the basic 'meat and potatoes' guitar sounds in the GSP are really good. Present, crunchy, chimey...they are all there and demonstrated nicely with the presets. The GT-Pro has this too, but you gotta dig. A lot. Like, an awful lot. But they are there. The presets in the Boss unit aren't a good demonstration at all.

The clean sounds of the GSP out of the box are way more 'present' than the GT...although you can get about the same with the GT with tweaking. I love to tweak, but the GT is really deep. So it takes awhile. The good thing about the GT-Pro is that, say, if you like your reverb setting, you can save it with the reverb section and use it with other presets. You can do this with any effect. Can't do this with the GSP and X-Edit. In fact, the editable parameters for the GSP are pretty small...probably 1/10th of what the GT-Pro offers.

The GSP's effects are in a fixed order...the GT's effects can be moved around a lot...the GSP also offers much less effects too- sticking to either the basic group or some of the gimmicky synth talking stuff.
I can approximate Fripp's soundscapes or Holdsworth's clean chords on both units, they just sound better on the GT-Pro.
The GT has better acoustic simulations, a 2 voice pitch shifter, and a ton of delays. I can make alien insect sounds on the GT, although I haven't found them yet on the GSP.
The GSP's reverbs sound better, but there isn't much tweaking there. This can be good, or bad.

The GSP is marketed to people not wanting to give up the tube amp- in fact, the amp models sound great at full dynamics. Turn down the volume and you hear a few grainy trails. It might sound good with a tube amp to smooth them, but I plug right into a mixer and into powered PA cabs.

Obviously, the GT-Pro beats it in the connections department. I hate that you can connect an exp pedal to the GSP but not a momentary footswitch for CC toggles or tap tempo- how did they forget this? The software for the GT-Pro is really really a lot better too.

I understand that guitarists might not want the hassle of programming...the GSP has a place there. Or if you use a guitar amp and a few of the basic pedals everyone has used for years. The GSP is your unit.
Overall, the modeling on the GSP makes great guitar sounds. Great classic guitar sounds. As long as that is where your tastes begin and end, you are set. With limited editing, 1 voice pitch shifter, no single footswitch jack, and limited effects routing (not to mention a severe limitation on what can be used at the same time), it probably won't end up in my keep pile. I might give it another week.

Personally, I think distorted sounds are easy to make sound good. It is the clean ones and semi dirty that is hard. The Digitech does both well, but puts that engine with a crippled effects processor. I will work on getting sounds tonight some more, though.

Digitech's marketing is geared at 'good tones fast', and the ads I have seen really push how it sounds with a 'regular guitar rig' (tube amp with fx loop). I don't use my preamps that way. It has to sound good going into a mixer, getting mixed with guitar synth, looped and out to the PA. It also has to be deep enough so that if I want to craft something unusual, it is there. I think the GSP might be brilliant at interfacing with a normal rig, but the lack of programability coupled with a pretty basic effects selection (not to mention fixed routing) really takes it out of the 'deep user' league. Still, if you love traditional guitar tones, love your amp, and just want to add some different modeling flavors and good effects, the GSP is about all that is out there right now. And it is probably better than anything out there for this application.

My hope was that with all the hype about processing power that we would at least be able to replicate some of the Space Station presets, have more than 1 voice pitch shifter, and be able to tap tempos for delays, chorus or trem...

Again, if I were only emulating classic sounds, this unit may be the best modeler around. If you are looking for classic as well as new, different, strange stuff, the limited effects choices and routing will get frustrating.

I'm still not giving up yet. I will work with it today, but I am leaning on sending it back.

Hi Mincer:

An excellent review...and you make good points. While the GSP1101 is perfect for me (for all the reasons you mention), it will not suit everyone. For someone like yourself who needs more depth and flexibility to the FX...then I can see why you love your GT-Pro. Otherwise, as you have indicated, it is one of the best solutions for those looking for integrating seamlessly with their existing amp/preamp...while also wanting top quality amp modeling and excellent digital effects.

[LVC]

I just pulled the trigger on one of these babies.

anyone using straight up (no loop) with a tube amp?

GUITAR > GSP1101 > AMP (amp has no loop)

Do you by pass the pre-amp (on the GSP) completely or do you still use it with the amp on some settings?

[vrdyer]

You know with all the rack gear, it makes more since to play through just the PA or a power amp. Why play through an amp's preamp too? Don't know about the current Digitech rig you guys are talking about, but previous rack preamps let you play through two channels so you could get simulated stereo for the delay and modulation effects...also panned back and forth.

[Mincer]

I did end up sending mine back. Limited effects routing, limited midi implementation and limited number of effects available at once were the deal breakers.
I wasn't looking to re-create classic sounds, I was looking for new inspiring ones- it was simply the wrong tool for me.

[SteveR]

Deuterium,

Am I understanding this correctly?

You can setup and configure the GSP so that you can save some patches bypassing the internal GSP preamp, using just the effects along with your amplifier preamp and power amp ..... while at the same time, save some patches bypassing your amplifier preamp, using the GSP preamp and amp models and effects along with just your amplifier power amp???

If so, that does sound very versatile, especially if you choose amp models that match up naturally with the power amp section of your amplifier.

Thanks in advance.

Steve

[Deuterium]

Deuterium,

Am I understanding this correctly?

You can setup and configure the GSP so that you can save some patches bypassing the internal GSP preamp, using just the effects along with your amplifier preamp and power amp ..... while at the same time, save some patches bypassing your amplifier preamp, using the GSP preamp and amp models and effects along with just your amplifier power amp???

If so, that does sound very versatile, especially if you choose amp models that match up naturally with the power amp section of your amplifier.

Thanks in advance.

Steve

Hi Steve,

Sorry for the delay in the reply...I haven't checked back into this thread for some time now. The answer to your question is a definitive YES. The ability to choose when you want (or not) to use the GSP1101's built-in amp modeling is exactly the beauty and flexibility of the GSP1101. You simply program it on a patch by patch basis. You hook up the GSP1101 using the "4-cable method" (which is setup example #7, in the GSP1101 manual). Then, you can individually program each patch so as to either enable the Internal (built-in) amp modeling section, or use your "External" preamp...which would be your external stompbox effects and amp's preamp section.

[GtrWiz]

I've been thinking of getting one of these mainly for the Lexicon Reverbs, and the harmonizer. How are these features?

[microkid]

I have been considering the GSP1101 to replace my Line 6 Pod XT Pro.

I hate the way the Line 6 operates with controls that don't match the patch position on recall etc... I don't like the way when you then adjust one it jumps to the actual position of the control first... if you want to make a subtle change this can be very annoying.

Does the GSP1101 have similar controls or are they continually adjustable encoder type (like the old 2120 was). Can someone describe to me what happens when you grap when of the pre amp controls and turn it? What does the display do? How do you know where the control is as you move it?

I have read a lot about how this unit sounds for metal sounds but how is it for a clean funk type sound like Nile Rodgers?

Can it get the classic clean but just breaks up when hit hard type tones? like my all valve Marshall stack can?

How does it respond to the guitar volume being turned down? would a over driven lead sound clean up like it would on the valve amp?

I have problems with the pod with all of those type of sounds.

I use my rig for a function / covers band where i could be playing the Beatles one minute, scissor sisters the next, bon Jovi, ray Charles, Billy ocean, etc... so i need a versatile rig from sparkling clean and Andy Summers up to full on leads. something that has a nice warm sound to it and wont get lost in the band. But I don't want a thin weedy piercing sound either.

It also needs to be very very user friendly during gigs for example i may want to adjust the mid setting on the current patch and leave it there all night. So can i just turn the mid knob slightly and that happens? Do i then just press save and its done?

With the pod this simple procedure becomes a logistical nightmare and would mean turning the mid knob so the display now shows the knob positions, rotating the knob until it was in its ordinal saved position whilst not playing (so my ears don't hear this change) now i can adjust to my new position an then press save a few times. Not something i can do mid song - easily anyway.

cheers guys! :phones

[buddaman71]

I have been gigging 3-4 nights a week for the last several months with my GSP1101 into 2-Tech 21 Power Engines then direct XLR outs to the PA and absolutely could not be happier. I started using it in the 4CM with my Mesa Lone Star, which worked GREAT, but eventually found it to just sound fantastic as a stand alone device and faster, lighter setup.

It is the easiest, most intuitive FX processor I have ever owned, and I have owned MANY going back to the first days of the GSP5!! The knobs work just like an amp. I regularly tweak on the fly, even during songs, and it's so easy. Turn the knob, tap the save button 3 times. Takes about 1.5 seconds.

Effects editing is very easy as well. Press the editor knob, scroll to the effect you want to edit, press again and scroll through the parameters. The coolest feature, I think, is that the stomp models combined with the amps allows me to get a really amp-like array of gain textures and feel. It is NOT like the older units that obviously are digital.

My band is a very heavy rockin' country band that plays everything from turboed up Waylon to inserting a few Metallica and Pantera licks into some tunes. It's instant switching and very convincing. I literally could do almost everything but the very heaviest stuff with the AC15 model and a couple of the stomps. It can get that chimey clean/dirty tone that I have never heard before in a modeler. It's not perfect; it should have rhythmic delay subdivisions, but hopefully that will be in a software update in the future.

I know that I would love the AXE FX, but considering the price difference and lead time, I just tried the GSP and I have neve looked back. Buy the Control 2, tweak a few presets and you are good to go. It has some GREAT sounding presets too, unlike most super over-hyped ones out there. It is NOT a deep and ridiculous as the 2101. It's meat and potatoes tones with really good fx, super easy interface and outstanding tone. For 450-499...brand new...

It has the presence and clarity I have never experienced in a modeler, and the tones I create at home usully require very little editing on stage.

Rock on.

:JAM

[mcalldp]

I just pulled the trigger on one of these babies.

anyone using straight up (no loop) with a tube amp?

GUITAR > GSP1101 > AMP (amp has no loop)

Do you by pass the pre-amp (on the GSP) completely or do you still use it with the amp on some settings?

I am, using it into a Fender 59 Bassman LTD. I turned off the speaker sims and planned to turn of the preamps and use overdrive pedal settings but have found that the preamp settings often sound better than the pedal emulations.

I did have to adjust things to really find unity gain. I use the extra button on the control 2 for turning on/off the preamp allowing me to go direct to bassman for my clean sound with the other effects like delay still available then one footswitch to turn the preamp on for some overdrive/distortion- it sounds fantastic so far.

Getting the volumes worked out took a bit. I also use the expression pedal jack on the cotnrol 2 for running a pedal control most usually used for chorus speed. Add to this the tap tempo for the delay and tuner on the control 2 and I've only needed one patch for the most part!

I'll get a few more patches going for varying levels of gain and some different effects but I think 90's of my time will be spent on my main patch. The wah pedal sounds good too which was a shock to me. Also, it is responding GREAT to volume changes from my guitar.

The tuner does not track well and this needs to be updated. The low harmony stuff does not track well and should be updated (though I don't use this effect myself) also there is the problem many people are having with changing volume on a patch and then switching to another patch then back to the original patch and your volume change is not saved. You have to reboot for the save to take hold, that's a big issue that needs fixing!

I expect the 3-4 things that need updating to be fixed in new firmware should Digitech support be any good. Add in that the quality of sounds is fantastic and I am very happy with this unit indeed. I also recently had the Nova system, and it effects your base tone much more. The Digitech is more open and natural sounding and with all effects off it sounds like your plugged straight into your amp, this alone is worth price of entry.

I don't know how I would feel about the unit without the control 2, I see it as a system that works together and would suggest anyone getting the 1101 get the control 2 with it.

I added an X wire wireless unit for my guitar and now I have only one cable running to the front of the stage to my control2 and it is powered with this same cable. I'm using an EJ strat and 52 reissue tele and they both sound like the separate guitars that they are.

[microkid]

So are the preamp controls on the front panel encoders? ie you can keep on turning them.

How does the system tell you where the control is currently set?

When you press the save button 3 times can you just wack it 3 times without pausing in between?

How do the clean and semi clean sounds measure up?

If i get one of these i will run it straight into a marshall power amp and a JCM900 4 x 12 cab. Any thoughts on this? Can I setup sounds at home in my studio using the direct outs and then use these same sounds through my cab on stage? How will they compare between the two?

[buddaman71]

The knobs are data encoders, but the second you touch them, you see the graphic representation in the screen of what they are. It feels exactly the same as a pot, except it will keep turning. Once you have reached the max value though, it no longer changes values. It's NOT like the old encoders that had to sweep the knob and "grab" the value before it changes. It's literally like reaching over and turning a dedicated bass, treb, or volume knob.

Yes, you can quickly tap the SAVE button 3 times. You don't have to hold it or anything. I usually end up tweaking maybe my preset master volume knob if the drummer starts hitting a little louder later in the set to boost my leads a little louder and I very often just hit a chord in the middle of a song, reach over and twist the knob a bit and just save it without ever missing a beat.

I think I love the mid-gain tones the best. I usually use the Vox or even a couple of the Digitech custom clean-ish models then add the Dyna Comp or CS compressor pedal model (which are very realistic IMHO) and then maybe add a bit of Sparkledrive. It's the strongest digital unit in the semi-clean dept I have ever used and very present. I was actually shocked the first time I bypassed my Lone Star clean (which is awesome) and used the GSP by itself.

Even though I rarely use chorus, the TC chorus model sounds great! The harmonizer is not as sophistocated as some, but as long as you play melodically and pick the correct key and interval, it's pretty freakin' cool to "Boston" out on intros and outros. The guys in my band love it when I kick to a harmony lead patch once in a while.

You can apply the speaker compensation to the XLRs only and send the 1/4 outs to the inputs of your power amp. I have an XWire Digital wireless so I can go hear my out front tone, and after a bit of EQ, I actually greatly prefer the direct send to mic'ing with my Sennheiser. It's also the same every night.

[microkid]

I have just got myself a GSP1101 and the control 2 as well.

My first impression are extremely positive. The unit has some great sounds and is very easy to use. The presets seem to be biased towards metal sounds and the unit definitely seems to excel in this area. But the clean sounds are great as well.

So here lies my dilemma as I cant use my full stack at home (my neighbours would not be impressed) I have to use it with headphones or a small combo. When I got to a gig / rehearsal i shall plug into my Marshall power amp and 4 x 12 cab. I hate going through the PA - years of gigging has got me so used to standing next to a stack im lost when I cant!

In order to get some basic sounds lined up ready to play with at rehearsal can any body suggest which models would produce the most useable clean tone, semi clean, dirty rhythm and lead. I guess this is the problem with having so many tone to hand... which one do I choose!

[drewl]

hey all, I was thinking of getting a GSP1101 and was looking for your opinions.
I have a Digitech ValveFX, which is very handy and with extensive programming sounds good and covers alot of the sounds I need for my stupid cover band.

I have over a dozen vintage amps, and was looking for a processor that won't color the sound, like the GSP1101 says.
How do the stomp boxes compare to originals?
Basically I'd use it just for fx into different tube amps and use the distortions for leads or heavier songs, and set some kind of volume boost for solos etc. and possibly use some of the amp models for some of my cleaner amps.
So basically:
is it transparent?
are the distortions good?
close to what they're copying?

I'm sure the delays/chorus/flangs/phase are good as the ones on the Valve FX are pretty decent, and that's almost 20yrs old.

The reason I lean towards Digitech is the control pedals are designed to work with the unit and are ideal live like the control one is for the valve fx.
Thanks, sorry for the windage.

[buddaman71]

Just buy it and try it. If it doesn't work for you, send it back. Nothing close to it in terms of price/performance.

This is the ONLY processor I have ever played through that sounds and feels like a real pedal in front of an amp. The compressor and overdrive stomp models are great. It takes a bit of experimenting when using the 4CM to get all the levels balanced, but if killer once you dial it in. I also love how you don't get the dull tone loss like you do when using too many pedals. (even with buffers)

If you get a 60 Hz ground loop, just plug the amp and your GSP into a grounded Furman or good power strip and then lift the ground on the GSP only (with a little 3-2 prong adaptor) I have consulted with several electrical engineers and they all told me this was perfectly safe as long as the amp and the power strip itself is grounded going into the wall.

It is SO much more punchy and toneful than any of the older models. It's also MUCH more straightforward. They kept the parameters limited to make it easier to tweak.

Also, on the Digi forum, SO many of the users seem to be asking it to do a bunch of stupid things that it wasn't designed to do and then slagging it. Mine has worked perfectly since the day I got it and I honestly couldn't go back to regular pedals and amps for full gigs with lots of switching.

This past week I played an outdoor even for about 6000 people with pro lights and sound. As we were setting up, the sound guy came over to mic it up, and I told him to please try the DI first, as the stage was hollow and very resonant. He looked at me like I was crazy, but he did and said it was the best DI electric tone he ever heard with almost no EQ. They run sound for everyone from Top 40 pop and country artists to metal bands to jazz.

Just try it.

[drewl]

Yeah, but I'm cheap!
plus it takes a while to set it up.
I tried downloading the manual, but their site was flaky.
I was wondering, I want to run it in front of the amp, no 4 cable nonsense and i use a wireless so I don't have to worry about grounding problems.

Does it sound as good in front of the amp?
Like I said I basically want to use it as a multi stomp box unit.

Thanks, sorry for annoying.

[buddaman71]

I have used my GSP 1101 3-4 nights per week for almost a year live and it's always worked perfectly for me. Zero issues. I go to the Digitech forum and lots of others have crazy problems that I have never encountered. I have a very early unit, but have updated the software and use it with the Control 2.

Hope you get it straightened out, as it's actually a pretty cool unit.

I heard that a few of the amp models were so close to the original amps, that they actually accidentally modeled in a couple of bad tubes and circuits that the originals had, but I don't know that for sure...

Good luck.

[indytruckboy]

I am wondering about the noise gate and wahs. Anybody have any experience?

[dramaticrunner]

i read on the digi site that some of the pitch shifting algorithms are based off of their ISP series. can the gsp1101 do the edge's "shimmer" sounds?

[papersoul]

The GSP can't change channels on your amp head, can it? I use a Bogner 20th Shiva and was curious if I could run this with the head and that's it.

Okay, I have spent some more time with the GSP1101.
All I can say is...this little son of a bitch continues to impress me.

Strictly focusing on the digital modeling aspects (tone and tube amp feel), it is a as good, if not a bit better, then my Vox Valvetronix "Blue" AD120VTH head and ToneLab LE. It definitely has the ability to get more "hair" and dirt, compared to the Vox units. The high gain tones in the GSP1101 are fantastic. However, just as good, are the medium and low gain tones. The DigiTech GSP1101 has some great Fender models, and even better Marshalls. For High Gainers, the JCM2000 and '77 Master Volume Marshalls are top notch. Also for high to extreme gain, the Dual Rectifier and Soldano models are superb.

One can get some crazy, evil, sinister gain by cranking the Rectifier model with one of the "less subtle" stompbox models that are available, such as the DigiTech "Grunge", The Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, or the DigiTech Death Metal.

These aren't to any of my tastes, but I know some people will like them, becuase the tone I was getting sounded just like some of the stupid, over-the-top distortion which can be heard on most Rock/Metal radio stations these days... you know, the ones with the Cookie Monster vocals.

For medium gain...I think I am most impressed with the Matchless model. This has a beautiful, warm, chimey tone. I can get a wonderful blues lead out of it with any of the excellent virtual OD stompbox models (TS-9, TS-808, Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive, DOD 250). For even higher gain, the Distortion stompbox models work great (MXR Distortion plus, Pro Co Rat, Boss DS-1).

Leaving aside the built-in preamp/amp modeling...
My absolute favorite feature of the GSP1101 is the seamless ability to use the preamp of your existing amp, while completly bypassing the internal preamp/amp modeling of the GSP1101. I am playing thru a Peavey ValveKing 100 head. I can program a patch setting which adds one of the GSP1101's virtual stompbox pedals in front of my ValveKing, then bypasses the internal preamp to go thru the front-end of the ValveKing...so all the tone is coming from my ValveKings preamp and tone stack...then the signal goes back thru the GSP1101's digital FX section to add some delay or reverb, and then returns to ValveKing's power tube / amp section.

Furthermore, the onboard digital FXs (modulations, delays, reverbs) are all fantastic, and wonderfully transparent. Another very cool feature is the ability to assign the Modulation FX either before the distortion/preamp, or after (Post-amp).

I think all of the postAmp FX are great, but the ones that particularly standout, for me, are: BOSS CE-2 Chorus, Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress Flanger, MXR Phaser (Phase 100), Boss DM-2 Analog Delay, Digitech's Tape Delay model, and all the Lexicon Reverbs (simply beautiful).

[drewl]

It can't change the channels by itself, but it can send a midi message to a device someone posted a link to, that takes the midi info and operates switches for amp channel changing.

[buddaman71]

http://www.rjmmusic.com/ampgizmo.php