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chuck
12-11-2007, 05:46 PM
Hey everyone,

The CJOD has a TGP story of its own and only a small number of people have them. This is the end of 2007 and now is a good time for a rollcall.

If you have a CJOD say hey. If you're a CJOD fan sayi hi. Pictures are a plus. How many are out there now?

Here's mine.


http://www.voodooengineering.com/pics/cjod.jpg

guitarpkr67
12-11-2007, 06:51 PM
I don't have one, but I'm very intrigued by them. Would love to try one in person one day

Texas_Blues
12-11-2007, 07:02 PM
I know Tomo has 2 CJOD's

the_Chris
12-11-2007, 07:12 PM
This is an oldschool picture, but the pedal is still a cornerstone of my rig. I really, really, really need to find a replacement for this pedal, but I haven't found anything remotely suitable yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/the_Chris/100_1187.jpg

big mike
12-11-2007, 07:17 PM
great sounding pedal.

TheGrooveking
12-12-2007, 01:09 AM
Love them, really nothing else like them!

TheGrooveking

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/TheGrooveking/CJODTimmy.jpg

OOG
12-12-2007, 01:33 AM
i've got a nice stash of superb OD's
and still
there's nothing like a CJOD

soulsonic
12-12-2007, 01:40 AM
I don't have one, but I'm very intrigued by them. Would love to try one in person one day

Oh, you can easily enough....
http://files.muziq.be/pics/dod_fx54_002.jpg

Heh, heh, heh:Devil

zzzezums
12-12-2007, 05:13 AM
Original owner here. No pic, but it looks the same as the others. Still loving it. Plays well with my Zendrive as well.

59Vampire
12-12-2007, 05:16 AM
Oh, you can easily enough....
http://files.muziq.be/pics/dod_fx54_002.jpg

Heh, heh, heh:Devil


PLEASE explain

guitarpkr67
12-12-2007, 06:37 AM
PLEASE explain

Supposedly, this is the pedal Clay was working on when he stumbled upon what became the CJOD.

FlyingVBlues
12-12-2007, 07:19 AM
Original CJOD owner...despite the high resale prices mine isn't going anywhere.

FVB

Lintybits
12-12-2007, 08:31 AM
Supposedly, this is the pedal Clay was working on when he stumbled upon what became the CJOD.

Last one on Ebay went for a whopping $25

Uma Floresta
12-12-2007, 09:08 AM
Last one on Ebay went for a whopping $25

You know the next ones are going to go for much more.

CentralScrutini
12-12-2007, 09:11 AM
Oh, you can easily enough....
http://files.muziq.be/pics/dod_fx54_002.jpg

Heh, heh, heh:Devil
Certainly a more handsome pedal.

Uma Floresta
12-12-2007, 09:13 AM
Certainly a more handsome pedal.


+1 The Stryper look just doesn't do anything for me.

ChitownTerror
12-12-2007, 09:44 AM
PLEASE explain


Bob Burt pretty much confirmed it. Everyone knew that it was heavily-based off of a stock off-the-shelf compressor anyway.

Glad I didn't pay $1000 for one, but I'd gladly try one out regardless.

dan-o-guitar
12-12-2007, 11:27 AM
Oh, you can easily enough....
http://files.muziq.be/pics/dod_fx54_002.jpg

Heh, heh, heh:Devil

This will most likely be the funniest (and simultaneously bizarre) sequence in the tortured tale that is the CJOD.

I'll guess that a few people, especially the carnies, are going to be scouring the four corners of the earth for DOD boxes now, trying to replicate the sound of the CJOD. Of course, there is a slight flaw that those in the big cash-in derby might want to consider: there are over a million permutations of what could be from the original DOD design and what ended up as the CJOD.

For those who want to embark on such silliness, let me help get you started:

DOD FX54 Schematic: http://files.muziq.be/schematics/dod_fx54.gif

CJOD Gooped: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/gearitis/CJOD%20B17/B17Builtforsmudged.jpg

Have at it! Let the carnival of lunacy begin!

:Devil + 1

TZR
12-12-2007, 12:16 PM
This will most likely be the funniest (and simultaneously bizarre) sequence in the tortured tale that is the CJOD.

I'll guess that a few people, especially the carnies, are going to be scouring the four corners of the earth for DOD boxes now, trying to replicate the sound of the CJOD. Of course, there is a slight flaw that those in the big cash-in derby might want to consider: there are over a million permutations of what could be from the original DOD design and what ended up as the CJOD.

For those who want to embark on such silliness, let me help get you started:

DOD FX54 Schematic: http://files.muziq.be/schematics/dod_fx54.gif

CJOD Gooped: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/gearitis/CJOD%20B17/B17Builtforsmudged.jpg

Have at it! Let the carnival of lunacy begin!

:Devil + 1



:jo


:moon

John Hurtt
12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Bob Burt pretty much confirmed it. Everyone knew that it was heavily-based off of a stock off-the-shelf compressor anyway.

Glad I didn't pay $1000 for one, but I'd gladly try one out regardless.

Actually, isn't the story that BB "confirmed it" during a beatdown on freestompbox.org about his pedal building skills/knowledge?

John Hurtt
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Back on track....Here's mine, and I'm one of the few from the list to keep it. No plans on selling, either...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/JHurtt/Gear/ZenandCJOD.jpg

therhodeo
12-12-2007, 03:01 PM
Actually, isn't the story that BB "confirmed it" during a beatdown on freestompbox.org about his pedal building skills/knowledge?

Sounds about right. According to Clay though it isnt his skills its the lack there of.

soulsonic
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
Sounds about right. According to Clay though it isnt his skills its the lack there of.


That's the way it seemed to me. Clay took a jab at him and a Bob showed up and swung back - the end result being that we all find out it's a modded Attacker.

Oh well, I doubt it will affect the collectible value of the originals, the only thing is now we'll have to deal with a million would-be booteekers selling their own version of the mythical "CJOD".... *sigh*...

Tomo
12-12-2007, 03:12 PM
I know Tomo has 2 CJOD's


Yes, I do. I love them.


Tomohttp://www02.homepage.villanova.edu/david.kaplowitz/tomo/IMG_3219.jpg

therhodeo
12-12-2007, 03:21 PM
That's the way it seemed to me. Clay took a jab at him and a Bob showed up and swung back - the end result being that we all find out it's a modded Attacker.

Oh well, I doubt it will affect the collectible value of the originals, the only thing is now we'll have to deal with a million would-be booteekers selling their own version of the mythical "CJOD".... *sigh*...

Personally I think its hilarious. Clay took a DOD pedal and made it into the most mythical corksniffer status symbol around and has no interest in making money from it. Now Bob is trying is trying to make money by selling his version* of one of the most popular OD designs around and all he is getting is crap about it. Seems about the way it should be to me.

*clone

Todd Lynch
12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
I love the artwork on your Jones ODs, Tomo - really neat.

Stressfest
12-12-2007, 04:13 PM
If anyone's selling a Dod Attacker...nows the time to coin up :D lol

Tomo
12-12-2007, 04:14 PM
I love the artwork on your Jones ODs, Tomo - really neat.

Todd,

Thank you so much. The Psycho Face & the Doll Face.

Clay sent me those 2 first. I loved the Psycho pedal very much. Great sounding pedal. Very open sounding and so sensitive to picking dynamics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWRe8i8aWs4

Tomo

scottcw
12-12-2007, 05:24 PM
If anyone's selling a Dod Attacker...nows the time to coin up :D lol

I bought one on eBay and one locally. Sent one to Bill Chapin and sold the other. They are very cool if you keep the compression and distortion levels on the low side. I could definitely get some of the same characteristics I hear in Tomo's clips of the CJOD.

WarofGhosts
12-12-2007, 05:46 PM
Ummm did anybody see who bought that one on Ebay???


a_hermida69

chuck
12-12-2007, 06:19 PM
This will most likely be the funniest (and simultaneously bizarre) sequence in the tortured tale that is the CJOD.

I'll guess that a few people, especially the carnies, are going to be scouring the four corners of the earth for DOD boxes now, trying to replicate the sound of the CJOD. Of course, there is a slight flaw that those in the big cash-in derby might want to consider: there are over a million permutations of what could be from the original DOD design and what ended up as the CJOD.

For those who want to embark on such silliness, let me help get you started:

DOD FX54 Schematic: http://files.muziq.be/schematics/dod_fx54.gif

CJOD Gooped: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/gearitis/CJOD%20B17/B17Builtforsmudged.jpg

Have at it! Let the carnival of lunacy begin!

:Devil + 1

Totally agree

And its good to get it all out. This is a good topic with good feedback from the community.

I think the story behind the cjod alone makes it worth owning. I'm not a cork sniffer, and now days you rarely see me here spouting off about pedals. Actually I've gotten into rack gear and amps, which makes collecting pedals a cheap hobby. You can ask Grooveking.
In fact, with the amp I have now, I don't need any pedals. My only effect is a DCR-2SR. And when I play the air turns opaque with the dust which gets shaken from the ceiling. There's no pedal that does that.

BluesHarp
12-12-2007, 06:28 PM
No, he wouldnt.. would he? :worried

I better sell the 4 CJOD's I have quick, before they go down in value..anybody?


:roll

I'll certainly get killed for this :D

chuck
12-12-2007, 06:46 PM
No, he wouldnt.. would he? :worried

I better sell the 4 CJOD's I have quick, before they go down in value..anybody?


:roll

I'll certainly get killed for this :D


What does that mean?

BluesHarp
12-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Isnt a_hermida69 the guy who makes the zendrive? See below..

Ummm did anybody see who bought that one on Ebay???


a_hermida69

the_Chris
12-12-2007, 07:28 PM
Isnt a_hermida69 the guy who makes the zendrive? See below..


Yes, that's why he posted it. The average guy probably wouldn't be able to do anything with that DOD pedal, but an experienced man like Mr. Hermida might make all the difference.

Hmmmm.... I have a feeling the next few months will be very interesting.

TheGrooveking
12-12-2007, 07:31 PM
I have a FX54 Attacker coming in soon, I'll play with it, but I am doubtful that it will provide the mojo the CJOD does.

TheGrooveking

WarofGhosts
12-12-2007, 07:41 PM
I'm sure Clay did quite some hacking to the original circuit to get his CJOD. i believe he said that it was a happy accident that caused him to stumble upon the ideas he implemented to the circuit to make it a CJOD. I did think it strange that Alf purchased the one that was on Ebay. Maybe he has "plans" for it and maybe he doesn't but I can't imagine that he was looking for a good compressor.

trucks
12-12-2007, 09:17 PM
Here is mine. It has to be played as well as heard to really understand the magic.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/gwtrucks/CJOD.jpg

popinvasion
12-12-2007, 09:58 PM
if he did reverse it and his original cjod pedal is now just a swirly paperweight, then why doesnt he just build a new board(radioshack perf), goop it up and pretend that it never happened? If I could build clones of the CJOD I would certainly not sit around bummed about my broken ungooped CJOD, I would fix it or make a new board for it. Sounds slightly fishy.

That being said I wouldn't doubt that the CJOD is just the distortion side of the attacker. I imagine the compressor is completely eliminated. But the tricky part is I guarantee clay tweaked and modified that distortion circuit. That would be a bit tricky to get right without specifics. Im sure you could rip out the distortion circuit and by ear tune it if you had a CJOD and I bet you could get in the ballpark but it would still be different.

the_Chris
12-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Funny, that no one ever mentioned a successful clone of it before this... how convenient.
He's not a pedal builder, you say? I guess he is now...

Ladies and Gentlemen, Step Right Up, And Get Your Very Own $300 Clone of an $800 Clone of a $50 DOD Pedal!!!

...let the rampant spamming begin... *sigh*
:munch

Why the nasty post? If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. I don't think anybody here before you has seriously thought the CJOD was a dressed up version of a DOD pedal. I'm sure Clay did a lot of modifications to get it to where he was happy with the circuit. I have no idea what kind of amps you build, but they I'm sure you started off of some kind of previously existing circuit.

If this clone does exist, I need to hear this first hand.

Scott Peterson
12-12-2007, 10:33 PM
QOTSA, I removed your buddy's email - if you want to spam his clones, do so in the Emporiums.

DonneR
12-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Still have #11
http://www.tonesafari.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cjod.jpg

soulsonic
12-12-2007, 10:41 PM
Why the nasty post? If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. I don't think anybody here before you has seriously thought the CJOD was a dressed up version of a DOD pedal. I'm sure Clay did a lot of modifications to get it to where he was happy with the circuit. I have no idea what kind of amps you build, but they I'm sure you started off of some kind of previously existing circuit.

If this clone does exist, I need to hear this first hand.

I wasn't trying to be nasty - people are free to clone all they want... what's a JTM45, but a cloned tweed Bassman? What's a tweed Bassman? I wasn't being negative about that guy cloning the CJOD or Clay Jones cloning a DOD - I was merely stating what seems painfully obvious to me;
that someone's already trying to cash in.

"As for the schematic layout he said he will NEVER post or sell it."

-Why not?

Maybe because it will get in the way of him making, hmmm... let's see... $300 x 50 = $15,000... hmmm... take out the meager cost of materials and you have a nice little profit there, and of course, being recently unemployed, he has all the time in the world to build them... oh and a business-y sounding email address already set up; "blackmarketfx", yeah that seems like the personal email address of your average hobbiest with a straight day job in aerospace.

Do you really think we're that naive? :nono

I don't care what a person builds or sells or whatever, but it would be nice to see a little honesty.

dividedsky
12-12-2007, 11:34 PM
Maybe because it will get in the way of him making, hmmm... let's see... $300 x 50 = $15,000... hmmm... take out the meager cost of materials and you have a nice little profit there, and of course, being recently unemployed, he has all the time in the world to build them... oh and a business-y sounding email address already set up; "blackmarketfx", yeah that seems like the personal email address of your average hobbiest with a straight day job in aerospace.


http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2251ded1f8e1d00cd9703a45d4cd5-500pi

rewog
12-13-2007, 12:02 AM
I think the point people are trying to make is that it seems a little convenient that someone is saying they know how to build a CJOD... the day after it became known what it was based on.

It's never been mentioned before.

soulsonic
12-13-2007, 12:50 AM
Yeah, I do have issues. I have issues with what's going on here, and I'm definitely not the only one who thinks it.

I'm a builder, but I'm not a pedal cloner. I could give a damn about cloning some stupid pedal. The pedals I've built and sold locally have been original designs of my own, and to this day, I haven't built the same one twice, because each one is a unique creation built to serve a purpose for the artist who needs it. I may have a regular line some day, but that's not important at the moment.

QOTSA
12-13-2007, 12:59 AM
Yeah, I do have issues. I have issues with what's going on here, and I'm definitely not the only one who thinks it.

I'm a builder, but I'm not a pedal cloner. I could give a damn about cloning some stupid pedal. The pedals I've built and sold locally have been original designs of my own, and to this day, I haven't built the same one twice, because each one is a unique creation built to serve a purpose for the artist who needs it. I may have a regular line some day, but that's not important at the moment.

Wow you sound like a spoiled child. Reminds me a lot of clay. :)

Anyone want to buy an amp from this guy??

therhodeo
12-13-2007, 01:01 AM
Yeah, I do have issues. I have issues with what's going on here, and I'm definitely not the only one who thinks it.

I'm a builder, but I'm not a pedal cloner. I could give a damn about cloning some stupid pedal. The pedals I've built and sold locally have been original designs of my own, and to this day, I haven't built the same one twice, because each one is a unique creation built to serve a purpose for the artist who needs it. I may have a regular line some day, but that's not important at the moment.

So how do you we look down here from on top of your pedestal??:messedup

popinvasion
12-13-2007, 01:28 AM
im curious qotsa, not because I want to buy one, because I don't. But since this is the conversation and people are interested is it possible you could show us a little more evidence? Show us the inside of your pedal? Some more CJOD guts taken apart? Something to make it seem just a tad more realistic for those that are possibly thinking of buying one.

popinvasion
12-13-2007, 01:37 AM
uh, no.

ok.

OOG
12-13-2007, 01:44 AM
Yeah, I do have issues
I'm a builder

and free spam at the bottom of every thread:rolleyes:

Amit
12-13-2007, 04:49 AM
This will most likely be the funniest (and simultaneously bizarre) sequence in the tortured tale that is the CJOD.

I'll guess that a few people, especially the carnies, are going to be scouring the four corners of the earth for DOD boxes now, trying to replicate the sound of the CJOD. Of course, there is a slight flaw that those in the big cash-in derby might want to consider: there are over a million permutations of what could be from the original DOD design and what ended up as the CJOD.

For those who want to embark on such silliness, let me help get you started:

DOD FX54 Schematic: http://files.muziq.be/schematics/dod_fx54.gif

CJOD Gooped: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/gearitis/CJOD%20B17/B17Builtforsmudged.jpg

Have at it! Let the carnival of lunacy begin!

:Devil + 1


No gooped picture.
If you ask me the magic is in the goop:D

the_Chris
12-13-2007, 05:03 AM
Well, the builder is going to be sending me a test unit to A/B extensively with my original unit, so he's definitely legit in my book and we'll see soon enough just how accurate it is. I, for one, am really looking forward to hearing this and I can't pass up the chance to have a backup or two for playing out with. This could be a big part of tone search ended right here. $300 is pretty fair considering the original was $250. This could be a big chance for folks to be able to hear what it's about, but stay tuned because clips will be posted comparing and contrasting the two when it comes in. I think the builder does realize this pedal is going to come with some skepticism and I'll do my best to make sure it's legit.

Josh (QOTSA) is relatively new here so I'm sure that's why we haven't heard of this earlier. Thanks for mentioning it Josh!

Amit
12-13-2007, 05:21 AM
Ummm did anybody see who bought that one on Ebay???


a_hermida69

Oy Vei...



(Well at least Alf was confidential about it:roll)

Amit
12-13-2007, 05:26 AM
+1 The Stryper look just doesn't do anything for me.

+2

Don't like em one bit.

Amit
12-13-2007, 06:05 AM
Personally I think its hilarious. Clay took a DOD pedal and made it into the most mythical corksniffer status symbol around and has no interest in making money from it. Now Bob is trying is trying to make money by selling his version* of one of the most popular OD designs around and all he is getting is crap about it. Seems about the way it should be to me.

*clone

Bob wrote here a disclaimer (in the thread that got nuked) that his pedal is based on a Tubescreamer and not Clay's pedal. this shouldn't be a problem to confirm sound wise, so untill ppl will write that it sounds like their CJOD and not a TS variant, I think he should not receive more crap about it:)

guitarpkr67
12-13-2007, 04:00 PM
Hey Chris, so are you talking about Bob Burts pedal or Kris's? If it's Kris's thats cool that he's sending you one. I'd be interested to hear how it compares. Make sure you do a blind taste test :)

QOTSA, Thanks for mentioning your friend. I'm number 2 on the list. I can't wait to try the pedal. I'm also eager to hear the_Chris' review.

the_Chris
12-13-2007, 04:05 PM
Hey Chris, so are you talking about Bob Burts pedal or Kris's? If it's Kris's thats cool that he's sending you one. I'd be interested to hear how it compares. Make sure you do a blind taste test :)


Thank you so much for mentioning Kris, Josh. He seems like a really nice guy and I can't wait to dig into his pedal and compare :) I've been very fortunate to be able to enjoy an original and I feel very fortunate that I'm getting a chance to give his a test drive. I will make sure to do my best to make the comparisons up to true TGP standards. ;)

therhodeo
12-13-2007, 04:12 PM
Bob wrote here a disclaimer (in the thread that got nuked) that his pedal is based on a Tubescreamer and not Clay's pedal. this shouldn't be a problem to confirm sound wise, so untill ppl will write that it sounds like their CJOD and not a TS variant, I think he should not receive more crap about it:)


I'll try and spell this out for your.


by selling his version* of one of the most popular OD designs around


Would mean Toobscreamer. He's receiving crap because it is just that, another overpriced toobscreamer. I think he should get crap too for the language issue. Most of us here dont speak spammish.

Tube Guy
12-13-2007, 05:22 PM
Back on track, I still have my original and love it (and I 've had one or two ODs).

shallbe
12-13-2007, 06:26 PM
More "back on track." Here is mine---I've been using it on gigs since the day I got it from Clay. The next weekend, Bob and Clay came to hear us play, and live is where I really bonded with it. I love this pedal and will be using it to packed clubs over the next few nights.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m87/shallbe/pedalboard.jpg

TheGrooveking
12-13-2007, 07:32 PM
Shallbe, is that chorus a reboxed Arion SCH-1?

TheGrooveking

exodus
12-13-2007, 08:02 PM
So, out of curiosity, who owns #43? (PM if you don't want to publicly post)

John Hurtt
12-13-2007, 09:34 PM
The only one but him that made it through his fictional piece OK was Tomo (I guess cause he didn't make any money, but Clay sure did).

:)


You need to research the story a bit more before you step on that soapbox....Clay gave away pretty much all his proceeds from the CJOD sale...but don't let that stop you from slammin' CJ.:jo

DonneR
12-13-2007, 10:11 PM
An ungooped picture of the bottom of my favorite yellow and black overdrive ..................................


http://www.tonesafari.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=560&linkpath=http://www.tonesafari.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pwbb.jpg&target=tlx_new

Deaj
12-14-2007, 01:01 AM
An ungooped picture of the bottom of my favorite yellow and black overdrive ..................................


http://www.tonesafari.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=560&linkpath=http://www.tonesafari.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pwbb.jpg&target=tlx_new


:D:D:D

QOTSA
12-14-2007, 01:37 AM
You need to research the story a bit more before you step on that soapbox....Clay gave away pretty much all his proceeds from the CJOD sale...but don't let that stop you from slammin' CJ.:jo

Uh, thanks for the condescending response but I'm guessing I know more about the "story" than you do, story being the operative word. Did you see the receipts? I didn't think so.

Even if he did prove he gave to charity, I give money to charity every year, it would be very convenient to profit off a deal and then say "oh that’s the 10 grand I gave to charity this year".

It's amazing how gullible people can be.

Tomo
12-14-2007, 06:54 AM
Uh, thanks for the condescending response but I'm guessing I know more about the "story" than you do, story being the operative word. Did you see the receipts? I didn't think so.

Even if he did prove he gave to charity, I give money to charity every year, it would be very convenient to profit off a deal and then say "oh thats the 10 grand I gave to charity this year".

It's amazing how gullible people can be.

Well anybody can guess and talk about it. I have many phone conversations with Clay. Clay has really nice job. he plays band.. has family, very busy guy. On top of that, he made 50 pedals by his hands.. took a lot of hours on each pedal.. it was $235? (I don't remember)...
I can't say the details.. but he served food at church on weekend when he can (for free). He is really nice guy.... but he reminds my Italian wife.. very sweet.. but to much passion... snap sometime ...

I love my CJOD. I am glad that many of people still has been using the CJOD. I get tons of emails regarding the CJOD here and from Japan (too much). I want to say.. I love it. It makes my playing better. It's great for someone likes to use a lot of picking dynamics.

Thanks,

Tomo

Amit
12-14-2007, 07:20 AM
I'll try and spell this out for your.



Would mean Toobscreamer. He's receiving crap because it is just that, another overpriced toobscreamer. I think he should get crap too for the language issue. Most of us here dont speak spammish.

I see, well it wasn't clear before:)
The crap Bob got was because of the CJOD relation, as other overpriced TS variant, or spam oriented builders didn't get the same hot bath he got:)

Cheers mate.

FlyingVBlues
12-14-2007, 08:47 AM
Well anybody can guess and talk about it. I have many phone conversations with Clay. Clay has really nice job. he plays band.. has family, very busy guy. On top of that, he made 50 pedals by his hands.. took a lot of hours on each pedal.. it was $235? (I don't remember)...



The cost was $219 (US) or $229 (Overseas), and that included insured shipping.

FVB

shallbe
12-14-2007, 10:13 AM
Shallbe, is that chorus a reboxed Arion SCH-1?

TheGrooveking


Yes. It was the first one John Landgraff ever did, and he tweaked it a little, plus new jacks, true bypass, etc.. It is many years old (I brought it to John and he did it for an amp headhsell), and has never failed me. It does great Police-type stuff AND wonderful fast-vibe effects.

Garygtr
12-14-2007, 11:31 AM
You know the next ones are going to go for much more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DOD-FX54-Attacker-distortion-pedal-with-compression_W0QQitemZ170178226765QQihZ007QQcategor yZ41416QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tomo
12-14-2007, 11:48 AM
The cost was $219 (US) or $229 (Overseas), and that included insured shipping.

FVB

Thank you.

Tomo

OOG
12-14-2007, 12:43 PM
So, out of curiosity, who owns #43? (PM if you don't want to publicly post)

if my recall is correct, haven't looked in a while
that would be me
why do you ask?

John Hurtt
12-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Uh, thanks for the condescending response but I'm guessing I know more about the "story" than you do, story being the operative word. Did you see the receipts? I didn't think so.

Even if he did prove he gave to charity, I give money to charity every year, it would be very convenient to profit off a deal and then say "oh thats the 10 grand I gave to charity this year".

It's amazing how gullible people can be.

Ok, but then again you seem to have a stake in some knock-off's getting built. But, I did get the story straight from CJ....did you? :)

therhodeo
12-14-2007, 02:35 PM
So what? I dated Clay's 3rd cousin and my dad can beat up your dad.

guitarpkr67
12-14-2007, 03:41 PM
No, I was just trying to hook people up. I'm fine with being the only one who has one. :D

Sorry I mentioned it.

I'm glad you did.

Tomo
12-14-2007, 03:54 PM
I think the point people are trying to make is that it seems a little convenient that someone is saying they know how to build a CJOD... the day after it became known what it was based on.

It's never been mentioned before.

People can say anything.. but I don't think that easy to build Clay's pedal.. just based on anything.

The CJOD is great pedal and many other great od pedals out there too.

I am happy to hear people who still use their CJOD.

Momose Strat & Pro Reverb with Eminence 's Texas Heat & Screaming Eagle mix..clean to CJOD (http://www.homepage.villanova.edu/david.kaplowitz/tomo/jf_clip01.mp3)

more CJOD (http://www.homepage.villanova.edu/david.kaplowitz/tomo/jf_clip02.mp3)



Tomo

yeahyeahyeah
12-14-2007, 06:00 PM
Interesting read.

I had never heard about the DOD attacker before. I took a good look at the attacker schematic and thought it would be nice to share my thoughts. I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. I just like to interpret schematics for all y'all schematic illiterate types.

The DOD attacker is pretty much a run-of-the-mill OTA compressor, like the dynacomp/ross. That compressor is then run *in series* with the "distortion" part of the circuit. What that means is you can get the same *type* of effect by running a compressor in-front of any dirt box.

As for the distortion side of the Attacker: Its an interesting circuit, the diodes are in the feedback loop...but not like a TS. The op-amp is set up so that it is inverting. There are allot of diodes set up in a way to give slight asymmetrical clipping, but I've never seen this type of arrangement before. Those DOD folks appear to have been pretty creative here, but it also appears to be set up for very high gain sounds. yuck.

The EQ or "tone" section of the Attacker is also a run-of-the-mill circuit. the good ole' Big muff style tone control. The values are changed and there a couple extra components added to fine tune the response of the knobs. However, after plugging the values in a SPICE style simulator i got the same basic frequency curve...Scooped out mids. very 90's high gain rock.

The rest of the circuit is pretty much extraneous maintenance, bypass, buffers, etc.


I hope this is helpful. IMHO, a DOD Attacker even if heavily modified will need allot of extra help to sound like a CJOD. If i had my way with the circuit, chances are it wouldn't be recognizable after i was done. I would have trashed a few parts of the circuit entirely (the tone control for instance) and spliced in more suitable ones and i also would have changed ALLOT of the values.

That being said, the attacker is ripe for modification...but that is just another way of saying that it needs allot of help to sound good. However, the "distortion" part of the circuit did *look* unique...but that doesn't really mean anything either.

Most importantly,
GO PLAY YOUR GUITAR!

telecasterlove
12-14-2007, 06:15 PM
Its probably just the modified OD section of the Attacker. I really don't hear much added compression other than what you hear from the diodes.

John Hurtt
12-14-2007, 06:19 PM
No, I was just trying to hook people up. I'm fine with being the only one who has one. :D

Sorry I mentioned it.


Nah, it's just you came on spamming right after the "news" broke of the DOD Attacker....Besides, you don't have a CJOD...but I do, from Clay.

There are just some parts of your story that make no sense, such as your friend doesn't want to "repair" the CJOD that he supposedly tore apart to do one clone....for you....yet he's willing to build fifty more (for the cash) but he doesn't want to rebuild or repair the real one and profit off of that one as well? I don't think so....

I hope that the guys getting in line for an unmade/unlistened to/unverified clone of a pedal get something in return for their $300. Plus, there is the chance that this is just a scam. It wouldn't be the first time...with all due respect, this has all the earmarks of a ripoff.

Just sayin'...

telecasterlove
12-14-2007, 06:24 PM
It will be a shame if the clone takes off because then you will see the clones selling for $400-$500.

guitarpkr67
12-14-2007, 06:55 PM
Nah, it's just you came on spamming right after the "news" broke of the DOD Attacker....Besides, you don't have a CJOD...but I do, from Clay.

There are just some parts of your story that make no sense, such as your friend doesn't want to "repair" the CJOD that he supposedly tore apart to do one clone....for you....yet he's willing to build fifty more (for the cash) but he doesn't want to rebuild or repair the real one and profit off of that one as well? I don't think so....

I hope that the guys getting in line for an unmade/unlistened to/unverified clone of a pedal get something in return for their $300. Plus, there is the chance that this is just a scam. It wouldn't be the first time...with all due respect, this has all the earmarks of a ripoff.

Just sayin'...


Doesn't look like a scam to me, but I guess you never know. Hopefully I'll get my pedal.

the_Chris
12-14-2007, 06:56 PM
I hope that the guys getting in line for an unmade/unlistened to/unverified clone of a pedal get something in return for their $300. Plus, there is the chance that this is just a scam. It wouldn't be the first time...with all due respect, this has all the earmarks of a ripoff.
Just sayin'...

Believe me, this was my first thought as well. The builder has agreed to send me a test unit to A/B with my original. If he follows through, I'll be able to check out the pedal firsthand and let everyone know whether this is legit or not. I don't want anybody to get scammed either, but if there is a clone out there, I am interested and I want to hear it firsthand. He has my information and if I get it in the mail in the next few weeks, I'll take him seriously.

Cloning is a sensitive subject. Clay is an amazing builder and I love his creation, but I really need to gig with a backup (that's just the way I am) and hopefully he doesn't hate me for being happy about a possible reproduction that isn't his.

z3
12-14-2007, 07:44 PM
what was this thread about again?
oh yeah, CJOD roll call. i have #52.
a decent OD. very touch sensitive, like others have pointed out. i like it about as much as the eternity or black box X-ray or vintage tub scrubber or the moho mods multiscreamer. but i'm not nearly as much of an OD kinda guy as i am getting a good OD sound from the amp by crankin' it out.

i can't believe all the mayhem that foments in every CJOD thread. one would think that folks would get over all this stuff, but no...
two years later and it's still all strm und drang.

rewog
12-14-2007, 08:42 PM
Its probably just the modified OD section of the Attacker. I really don't hear much added compression other than what you hear from the diodes.

There wouldn't be a lot of compression from the diodes, because there are so many in there.

The CJOD has a lot of sustain doesn't it ?

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 01:31 AM
Cloning a discontinued pedal from a non-existant company may seem unethical to some, but to him I guess it's not. But dropping a new board into his CJOD enclosure and selling it as a CJOD for $1000 is unethical to him which is why it's now a paperweight. If that makes no sense to you that's fine, but regardless it's just the way it is.

I've known Kris for many years, he's a laid back dude- never seen him pissed, very responsible, and very meticulous about his work. His profession has been in electronics for 15 years. That said, I talked to him last night and he's not sure he's going to make many more so it's kind of a non-issue.

Why a new board? If he's good enough to degoop it and reverse engineer it he should be able to put it back together. I'm still trying to figure out why he destroyed this pedal to make you a copy....

I hope that the pedal is cool...heck, I hope that there is a pedal, period. :rotflmao

rewog
12-15-2007, 01:36 AM
Why a new board? If he's good enough to degoop it and reverse engineer it he should be able to put it back together. I'm still trying to figure out why he destroyed this pedal to make you a copy....

I hope that the pedal is cool...heck, I hope that there is a pedal, period. :rotflmao

The CJOD is built on a 50 cent piece of Perfboard, not a circuit board.
There'd be no sense re-using a board after de-gooping.
Looking at the amount of goop Clay used, I'd be surprised if the board was in great shape after the de-goop.

As to why someone would destroy a $1500 pedal to build a few copies... now that's a good question.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 01:37 AM
The CJOD is built on a 50 cent piece of Perfboard, not a circuit board.
There'd be no sense re-using a board after de-gooping.
Looking at the amount of goop Clay used, I'd be surprised if the board was in great shape after the de-goop.

As to why someone would destroy a $1500 pedal to build a few copies... now that's a good question.

I believe he destroyed that $1500 pedal last year to make ONE copy....:D That's the story, anyway...

Tomo
12-15-2007, 08:49 AM
I believe he destroyed that $1500 pedal last year to make ONE copy....:D That's the story, anyway...

John,

I asked Clay to put a lot of goop... When he put goop on my pedals.. he did put too much and he had to rebuild my Doll Face od..

Several attemped regoop.. ended up.. a few came back to Clay.. He was so nice to fixed them for free.

CJOD is one of Clay's pedals.. he has many many other ideas on od pedals and amps! I loved his fuzz/distrotion... and his tremolo is awesome too.

I am glad that you kept your CJOD and you are enjoying! See you at NAMM Show!


Tomo

lustpedal
12-15-2007, 08:54 AM
My effects chain is missing a CJOD. Here it is: Picture wah-Klon-Ocd-Radiosound od-Lovepedal E-Analogman chorus-TC delay

I feel so empty without a CJOD :(

just kidding I am happy with my rig.

Except for one thing. Clay makes a really cool tweak rotovibe leslie box. He also makes a really cool tweaked DOD vibrothang. I have tried to email him and begged for him to make me one. No response :(

I would love a CJOD but I think I am happy with my gear as is. If he decided to make them again I would buy one. But until then I will just have to scrape by :)

guitarpkr67
12-15-2007, 10:47 AM
I believe he destroyed that $1500 pedal last year to make ONE copy....:D That's the story, anyway...

From what I gathered he destroyed it while reverse engineering it. Not just to make one copy.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 11:18 AM
John,

I asked Clay to put a lot of goop... When he put goop on my pedals.. he did put too much and he had to rebuild my Doll Face od..

Several attemped regoop.. ended up.. a few came back to Clay.. He was so nice to fixed them for free.

CJOD is one of Clay's pedals.. he has many many other ideas on od pedals and amps! I loved his fuzz/distrotion... and his tremolo is awesome too.

I am glad that you kept your CJOD and you are enjoying! See you at NAMM Show!


Tomo


Tomo-san!

Looking forward to running into you at Namm! It's always fun (and educational) to watch you play. Are you bringing one/both of your CJOD's to the show? I'm just wondering the differences, if any, between the two. I've been watching the clips of your new D'Pergo, and it sounds awesome.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 11:25 AM
My effects chain is missing a CJOD. Here it is: Picture wah-Klon-Ocd-Radiosound od-Lovepedal E-Analogman chorus-TC delay

I feel so empty without a CJOD :(

just kidding I am happy with my rig.

Except for one thing. Clay makes a really cool tweak rotovibe leslie box. He also makes a really cool tweaked DOD vibrothang. I have tried to email him and begged for him to make me one. No response :(

I would love a CJOD but I think I am happy with my gear as is. If he decided to make them again I would buy one. But until then I will just have to scrape by :)

I'd like to hear some of Clay's other effects, but I doubt that will happen. I've traded a few emails with him, but haven't really talked about effects and such. I just don't have the vocabulary to talk the tech side, and he's too far away to drop by and hang. Besides, you have an awesome sounding rig. I'd love to spend some time with an Eternity and really check it out.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 11:30 AM
From what I gathered he destroyed it while reverse engineering it. Not just to make one copy.

That could be right, I don't see the original post anymore. Seriously though, if Clay has no interest in making these I wish he would reconsider licensing out to someone to make it more available. It is a really great sounding overdrive. But, from what I gather he has reasons not to do that. I can respect that. You can hear from Tomo's clips what the box sounds like in the hands of a great player, but it even inspires a hack like me to work to improve.

z3
12-15-2007, 12:44 PM
I think he just likes unsolving mysteries...

that's OK.
i like to decompose music.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 01:20 PM
that's OK.
i like to decompose music.

:eek::BEER

orogeny
12-15-2007, 03:58 PM
The Clay Jones Overdrive is not an original pedal design which is why Clay Jones will not post a schematic for it....he doesn't want to be made out to be the hack he believes John Landgraff is.

Clay Jones did consider licensing a pedal line but all of the designs were ripoffs of other pedals and he decided to can the deal.

You can read all about it over on the stompboxes board where Clay posted the whole pitiful story behind the Clay Jones Overdrive.

Clay Jones thinks all of you guys are fools.

I'd love to read it. Could you pm me a link or post it? Thanks

Don L
12-15-2007, 04:13 PM
Clay Jones thinks all of you guys are fools.

Even those who like his OD and use it to make music?

Tomo
12-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Tomo-san!

Looking forward to running into you at Namm! It's always fun (and educational) to watch you play. Are you bringing one/both of your CJOD's to the show? I'm just wondering the differences, if any, between the two. I've been watching the clips of your new D'Pergo, and it sounds awesome.

Hi John,

I was just talking on the phone with Clay... It's interesting to see my personal pedal got so much attention, love and hate.

Tonefest NY... Originally I was gonna bring my SRV strat & my 67' Pro Reverb (Eminence Governors) to show how great clean tone...

but ...a night before the tonefest.. I thought people want to hear some overdrive tone so I just put my Hao Rumble mod and my CJOD.

Thanks for watching my D'Pergo video clips. Amazing guitar. My CJOD... originally each one was different. One he thought I would like one od... he put another one just hell of ....(what he liked...) then I told him what I liked.. then I sent both back to goop .. he copied one to another ....
So I have both same CJOD. I love them so much!:dude

Tomo

big mike
12-15-2007, 04:31 PM
Clay's cool. But at heart a DIYer. I think he'd probably rather see people make their own thing than clamor for his for astronomical prices.

big mike
12-15-2007, 04:44 PM
I think if Clay Jones was a true to heart DIYer then he would have no problem exposing the schematic for what has now become the so called Clay Jones Overdrive(as Clay himself would put it).


I disagree. From our few conversations via email (No I don't own a CJOD and never have) he seems to be more interested in how and why things work. Not to help everyone figure it out.

He's pretty much laid it out IMO. And it's not like he's producing them.

Tomo
12-15-2007, 04:47 PM
I think if Clay Jones was a true to heart DIYer then he would have no problem exposing the schematic for what has now become the so called Clay Jones Overdrive(as Clay himself would put it).

Originally he didn't care to do that. but I asked him not to do it. so please blame about this.


Tomo

Tomo
12-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Tomo,

Clay states in his story that one of the pedals you tried was a Landgraff clone and that he also included two other pedals for you to try.

Do you remember if Clay told you which pedal was the Landgraff clone?

Yes, I know which one... because he sent 3 pedals with each paper states/explain the detail of each pedals.

Tomo

big mike
12-15-2007, 04:54 PM
I judge people on my personal experience with them. Not on friend of a friend, or a internet post.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 04:55 PM
Clay is a B.S. artist. He has already said the circuit is based on several different things, none of which are true as far as I'm concerned. Just likes the attention of stringing people along - especially over the holidays for some reason (lonely?) Maybe on christmas eve he'll post his own schematic instead of someone elses. Even if he does I doubt it will be acurate.

A friend of mine (a builder) once responded to a post he made where he seemed very pissed, self-righteous and bent out of shape and put down some cool hard working people. The response was a smiley face and "have a nice day". He just likes messing with people. I guess if you think that kind of behavior is funny than he's a great guy. I don't.

This kind of post will not help you sell your friend's CJOD clone....:nono

You seem pretty upset over someone you don't know and have pretty limited second hand information...What's up with that? :)

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 04:56 PM
I judge people on my personal experience with them. Not on friend of a friend, or a internet post.


Well said...:BEER

big mike
12-15-2007, 04:59 PM
There's whole BOARDS dedicated to THAT. Don't demonize one dude.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 05:00 PM
Hi John,

I was just talking on the phone with Clay... It's interesting to see my personal pedal got so much attention, love and hate.

Tonefest NY... Originally I was gonna bring my SRV strat & my 67' Pro Reverb (Eminence Governors) to show how great clean tone...

but ...a night before the tonefest.. I thought people want to hear some overdrive tone so I just put my Hao Rumble mod and my CJOD.

Thanks for watching my D'Pergo video clips. Amazing guitar. My CJOD... originally each one was different. One he thought I would like one od... he put another one just hell of ....(what he liked...) then I told him what I liked.. then I sent both back to goop .. he copied one to another ....
So I have both same CJOD. I love them so much!:dude

Tomo

It is really interesting to see how the story has unfolded over the course of time. Though, the more controversy adds to the mystique and "hype" yet drives a talented builder further from his craft. I remember reading about that Tonefest, and how the interest in the pedal built. Crazy stuff...

Tomo - are you bringing the D'Pergo to Namm or keeping it safe from the perials of travel and bringing the SRV?

Aj_rocker
12-15-2007, 05:01 PM
tomo did you ask for only a set number to be made or just for the first two and then he made 50 cus that what he wanted to.


thanks


AJ

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 05:06 PM
tomo did you ask for only a set number to be made or just for the first two and then he made 50 cus that what he wanted to.


thanks


AJ


Not Tomo...but IIRC it was Bob Burt who put together and organized the infamous "list". I would imagine there are actually probably 55 or so actual units floating around.

big mike
12-15-2007, 05:07 PM
That's very commendable Mike, and I mean that, but have you ever met someone who seemed like a really nice guy when you talk with them, and they seem like integrity is a big part of their personality, then you find out that in reality they talk $%#t about you behind your back and are making some choices to hurt other kind people just because they can't overcome their own issues? I am much more bothered by 2 faced people than I am by stright up a-holes. Especially people who try to cover up their own mistakes by blaming other people. I had the same conversation with Bob last year and he felt just as you do. Now hear what Bob has to say.

Of course.

But here we all are, making judgements on a person we've not met, about a 'business deal' between 2 people that we don't know.

I find it humorous that the subject of 1 pedal a guy made, at the behest of someone else, has created factions of people dividing over a biz deal that didn't involve them. Clay did 50 some odd, and gave the proceeds to charity. Past that, I REALLY could care less, I just think it's amazingly funny that everyone can sit here and tell people what THEY should do with their designs, ideas, products, life, relationships, etc.

Clay and Bob's deal is between them. Taking sides on an internet forum is just dumb IMO. No one will ever know the WHOLE truth IMO, as in many cases, truth is in the eye (memory) of the beholder.

Basically....much ado about nothing.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 05:07 PM
That's very commendable Mike, and I mean that, but have you ever met someone who seemed like a really nice guy when you talk with them, and they seem like integrity is a big part of their personality, then you find out that in reality they talk $%#t about you behind your back and are making some choices to hurt other kind people just because they can't overcome their own issues? I am much more bothered by 2 faced people than I am by stright up a-holes. Especially people who try to cover up their own mistakes by blaming other people. I had the same conversation with Bob last year and he felt just as you do. Now hear what Bob has to say.


Does this mean that you've talked to Clay and he's done this to you? That seems to be the implication, and if so....over what?

big mike
12-15-2007, 05:08 PM
As I've already stated I don't care if he sells them or not, and he's not really interested in making them so it's a mute point.



So you effectively 'tested the waters' for him...and he decided against it, is what it seems.

QOTSA
12-15-2007, 05:12 PM
There's whole BOARDS dedicated to THAT. Don't demonize one dude.

Yes there is, but I don't see any those guys coming over to the tgp and putting down good people and taking a crap all over their hard work.

Starting a small business like Klon for example is not easy. It takes a lot of hard work and commitment. To have Clay come on here and put Bill down along with some other cool people, get banned, apologize and then do the very same thing the following year to bob, john, jim?

big mike
12-15-2007, 05:15 PM
I agree, the Klon thing was out of line, and I suspended him myself. (not banned) as far as his issue with Bob, again it seems that's a business deal that went bad, and shouldn't have been on the boards. Clay agrees he's not really cut out for this type of board.

You're making an assumption based on one post, about again, a biz deal that we're not 100% privvy too.

As far as Landgraff, if you know what to look for, Clay's not lying (about how the pedal works). As far as Bob, again, that reads to me like a jilted biz deal.

i have no stake in it on any side. I've had pleasant conversations and interactions with BOTH clay and BB. I just think it's freaking hilarious how this whole deal galvanizes people's opinions....when they don't know the whole story.

I freely admit I don't.

big mike
12-15-2007, 05:21 PM
Oh and you also don't see many guys that COULD bottle and sell the piss out of a modded design deciding NOT to, as he wouldn't be able to sleep at night.


Just sayin.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 05:26 PM
Not sure what this means Mike, I just gave anyone who is interested his email. The rest is up to him. I'm not clear on what Kris will do, only he knows. I know he is building a few for some people who responded. I think he is confused as to why everyone is so bent out of shape about him making money on it, obvoiusly that's the motivation. So what?

C'mon man, you jumped into this thread right after BB supposedly "outed" the CJOD origins on another forum spamming your friend's clone. Many rational people would think you have a stake in your buddy's clone..

big mike
12-15-2007, 05:35 PM
What blew my mind was that TGP members were ready and willing to give this unknown hundreds of dollars to get in line for the pedal.....

Yeah that's freakin funny.

Although, if you were just going to be the guy that buys and flips, it wouldn't be a dumb idea. Look how many guys have made money on the CJOD.

Can't say I wouldn't have thought about it myself if a 250 buck pedal became worth 1250.. but it is funny stuff.

popinvasion
12-15-2007, 05:36 PM
The funny thing about all this is what isn't a clone? Seriously? Everything practically in the amp and pedal boutique world is a clone. The true original designs are done by far greater engineers than any boutique company owner has. Even the Klon clearly one of the most original designs in the boutique world still borrows some ideas.

The guys who designed some of the maxons and even DOD's did some crazy original stuff. Everything is a clone. Some are clones with some tweaks to "claim" originality. I say anyone should be able to build whatever they want and sell it at this point. Why not? Whats the big deal? I think that guy making CJOD's should sell them. Why not? its no longer made, its a clone, and there is a market for it. On top of that he paid the investment to reverse one so he could figure it all out. Make some money. Bob Burt is making a clone? Big deal. I hope he does well. I hope the CJOD cloner Kris does well. The real problem should be someone trying to sell a shitty product. Or a fake CJOD clone. Make a good product clone or not, no harm no foul. Move on. But before you do make me a cool pedal I need a new fun box :)

Tomo
12-15-2007, 06:06 PM
Tomo,

Clay states in his story that one of the pedals you tried was a Landgraff clone and that he also included two other pedals for you to try.

Do you remember if Clay told you which pedal was the Landgraff clone?

Sorry. I didn't answer clearly. Clay thought I would pick TS808 type which is Landgraff ... I didn't pick that one because I had TS9.. I picked other one..... Later he sent bunch of pedals...

Tomo

popinvasion
12-15-2007, 06:07 PM
Well the Eternity is a complete clone. The only thing original about that is the chip used but even that chip has been used numerous times in diy TS's but maybe not in a production TS.

The timmy is quite original in what is happening. I think paul was the first to utilize some of the tricks involved in that circuit.

Klon is really really a great piece of work.

I think if your buddy can build a true 100% CJOD clone he should and should be able to do this without all the criticism. However I do think $300 is ridiculous considering he is unknown, its more than the original cost, and there is no proof its 100% exact. He should start out a bit cheaper $200-$225 and prove himself. Then after some time he can charge whatever and his reputation will back up whatever price he charges.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 06:26 PM
Was this guy really asking for three hundred dollars???

And people were ready to pay....wow.

Yep, there was talk of a "list"...:D

Tomo
12-15-2007, 06:31 PM
tomo did you ask for only a set number to be made or just for the first two and then he made 50 cus that what he wanted to.


thanks


AJ


AJ,

I didn't ask anything. I became friend with Clay .. After I sent my cds, live tapes... He made me 2 od pedals for my SRV strat & Pro Reverb. Then I picked one from two.

He didn't like that idea to make 50 pedals. He decided to make 50.. he thought only 10 people maybe like it and rest of them return to him or he won't need to make many as 50...


Tomo

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 06:39 PM
AJ,

I didn't ask anything. I became friend with Clay .. After I sent my cds, live tapes... He made me 2 od pedals for my SRV strat & Pro Reverb. Then I picked one from two.

He didn't like that idea to make 50 pedals. He decided to make 50.. he thought only 10 people maybe like it and rest of them return to him or he won't need to make many as 50...


Tomo

It looks like that didn't pan out. :cool: Tomo, what were the differences between the one you picked and the one that you didn't?

Oh, and I love those three combos on your website. Who built the amps?

Tomo
12-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Thanks Tomo.

What were the description types of the other two pedals he gave you?

You're welcome. This is personal .. I am sorry.

Tomo

big mike
12-15-2007, 06:45 PM
Tomo always gets dragged into this one. Sorry my friend.

Tomo
12-15-2007, 06:48 PM
Tomo always gets dragged into this one. Sorry my friend.

Big Mike,

Thanks. That's ok. I am the one drag Clay to this mess. I feel sorry to Clay.


Tomo

big mike
12-15-2007, 06:51 PM
It's interesting how the Landgraff mention is fine but the other two are personal....oh well.

Yeah far be it for Tomo to keep something personal when he already feels bad about it.

Dude...

big mike
12-15-2007, 06:57 PM
Or perhaps he doesn't want to discuss it for the same reasons this stupid thread is 11 pages long, and Clay himself said it started as a Landy clone. Why perpetuate any further BS, when that one is already out there.

This thread is just stuck on stupid.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:05 PM
Big Mike,

Thanks. That's ok. I am the one drag Clay to this mess. I feel sorry to Clay.


Tomo


Tomo, you didn't drag anyone into anything. You just played through a pedal you liked.

No worries!

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:07 PM
It doesn't make any sense to me,except that Jones hates Landgraff and it's okay for everyone to know that one of the pedals considered by Tomo was the LDO but don't tell anyone what the others were based on?....this is not how a true DIYer is in my book.

Clay Jones obviously has something to hide and it's not an original circuit design.

I doubt CJ hates Landgraff, let's not project stuff that no one here knows.

Stressfest
12-15-2007, 07:09 PM
Ah, the perpetual snowball effect anytime there is ever mention of the CJOD, Clay himself or his unrequited love for John Landgraff never ceases to amaze me. :D

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:37 PM
It is very very clear that based on what Clay Jones has written himself here on TGP as well as other places that he hates John Landgraff and everything he stands for.

I can assure you that this is the truth and all you have to do is search the www and find it.

I've read quite a bit, and I have no doubts Clay questions Landgraff's "genius" he doesn't hate the man personally. For example, there are many people I either don't care for nor respect but I would be pretty unhappy if someone said I "hated them".

Subtle difference to some, not to me.;)

popinvasion
12-15-2007, 07:39 PM
The real question John is when are you going to let me borrow your CJOD?

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:45 PM
The real question John is when are you going to let me borrow your CJOD?


:BEER Anyone that is local can contact me and come play through it. After all the talk, hype, good and bad feelings it is just a pedal!

big mike
12-15-2007, 07:45 PM
Bob, I did not bring you into it, and I thought the quote was funny. There was no judgement on you on my side at all.

As I've said about 1K times in this thead, I have NO dog in the hunt, I find it humourous that the whole thing has so galvanized people on both sides. Also if you check, the term i used (again I thought it was funny) is not exactly the quote. I in NO WAY said anything bad about you, nor will I. In fact I stated I don't know the whole deal, nor do I really care to.

I have my OPINIONS about the whole thing, but more I find the arguments just flat silly.

Now I DO take that post from you as questioning my integrity, and my being fair on the subject. Again, I find the whole thing intriguing, and silly.
If you care to discuss *MY* take, I'll do so with you via email, but again, you're reading WAY more into my post than you should.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:50 PM
If someone told you that you were self-centered and full of shit,would you think that they like you?

Or what if you read that on the net,written by the person themself?


I don't know, are you? :eek:

Seriously, to answer your question....if someone said that to me or I read a post from someone telling me that it definitely wouldn't make me happy. If it was someone I considered a friend (which is what was portrayed by both CJ and BB in the past) I would talk to them personally and find out exactly how they felt. I know people that fit your example and I don't hate them. He might hate BB, he might not. I just personally don't want to put words in someone else's mouth like that. Though, I have to say that given BB's post above....they aren't friends anymore!

Bob Burt
12-15-2007, 07:51 PM
No Problem Mike..

It is highly possible that I am since I have a real raw nerve in reference to that particular quote...

I will retract the part of my statement that might cast a negative shadow on you.

Thanks,
Bob
Bob, I did not bring you into it, and I thought the quote was funny. There was no judgement on you on my side at all.

As I've said about 1K times in this thead, I have NO dog in the hunt, I find it humourous that the whole thing has so galvanized people on both sides. Also if you check, the term i used (again I thought it was funny) is not exactly the quote. I in NO WAY said anything bad about you, nor will I. In fact I stated I don't know the whole deal, nor do I really care to.

I have my OPINIONS about the whole thing, but more I find the arguments just flat silly.

Now I DO take that post from you as questioning my integrity, and my being fair on the subject. Again, I find the whole thing intriguing, and silly.
If you care to discuss *MY* take, I'll do so with you via email, but again, you're reading WAY more into my post than you should.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 07:52 PM
No Problem Mike..

It is highly possible that I am since I have a real raw nerve in reference to that particular quote...

I will retract the part of my statement that might cast a negative shadow on you.

Thanks,
Bob

Incredible how sensitive this subject is, and how far apart the protagonists are in their recollections of the truth. I imagine that the truth lays not with one or the other, but somewhere in between.

Tomo
12-15-2007, 08:08 PM
It looks like that didn't pan out. :cool: Tomo, what were the differences between the one you picked and the one that you didn't?

Oh, and I love those three combos on your website. Who built the amps?

The one that I picked was the od (go well with Marshall or Fender) which became my main pedal. Which I didn't pick was modded TS808 which modded by many well known pedals.

That's Bob Burt's combo. Jeff (Bob 's friend) made heads and Bob built beatiful cabinets.

Tomo

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Yes I am but we're not talking about me....

This part of the Clay Jones Overdrive saga is the saddest of all.

It would be great if they could all reconcile their differences and join forces to build the biggest,baddest,most tone drippin' motherfu** of all overdrives....as long as it costs $59.95.

:rotflmaoSixty bucks would rule!

You're right, and it's always sad when friends fall out. Shame..

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:21 PM
The one that I picked was the od (go well with Marshall or Fender) which became my main pedal. Which I didn't pick was modded TS808 which modded by many well known pedals.

That's Bob Burt's combo. Jeff (Bob 's friend) made heads and Bob built beatiful cabinets.

Tomo


Thanks Tomo! And, those are sharp little combos!

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:25 PM
That's a really good point. I'll suggest he start out lower but I don't think he will. Like I said in the first post that the mods deleted because there was a picture and email, he is not some DIY kid with a soldering iron, he has years of expreience in electronics and engineering. From his standpoint his work is as good as any top effects pedal builder and he is completely sure his version is 100% exact. So why charge less when people will pay what he's asking. Heck, the CJODs are going for over a grand, I think less than a thrid the price for the same pedal minus the ugly paint job is well worth it which is why I snapped it up. I know him well enought to guess that to him, it woudn't be worth his time and effort to build a pedal for $200 - probably one of the reasons he never even considered getting into the business.

Out of curiosity, when were you able to compare the clone and the original?

QOTSA
12-15-2007, 08:40 PM
Out of curiosity, when were you able to compare the clone and the original?

Briefly but it was at a guitar center and there was a lot of other noise around so I didn't do a proper comparison. As far as I could tell they sounded the same.

Tomo
12-15-2007, 08:43 PM
It's interesting how the Landgraff mention is fine but the other two are personal....oh well.

You mentioned the Landgraff name so I wrote it. Basically modded TS808.

Why do you want to know others and what are you trying to do here?

Other pedal was Clay's personal preference.. that the one what I really liked... Personally I don't want to comment about the details. That's all.


Tomo

Tomo
12-15-2007, 08:46 PM
Clay dragged himself Tomo,not you.Why do you feel sorry for Clay?

Why do you care about this?

Tomo

Tomo
12-15-2007, 08:52 PM
It doesn't make any sense to me,except that Jones hates Landgraff and it's okay for everyone to know that one of the pedals considered by Tomo was the LDO but don't tell anyone what the others were based on?....this is not how a true DIYer is in my book.

Clay Jones obviously has something to hide and it's not an original circuit design.

You sound like.. you hate Clay. That's fine.

How can you tell my pedal is the LDO(what is that?) ? Please don't say something that you can 100% real.

Whatever you can believe it. That's ok too.


Tomo

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:53 PM
Briefly but it was at a guitar center and there was a lot of other noise around so I didn't do a proper comparison. As far as I could tell they sounded the same.

You tested a Clay Jones Overdrive (only 50 made, sold here on TGP and highly sought after) at a Guitar Center against your CJOD clone? :confused: Guitar Center had a CJOD?

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:55 PM
Glad to see you posting here and defending your good name Bob. I have never seen anything but honesty and class from you and your customers speak very highly of you.

Sorry to hear you trusted and befriended someone that turned out to be unethical. I can't stand to see good people's names tarnished by people who tell lies and are cleaver enough to make them seem true. Sad part is I think Clay would really like to be a person of integrity but he's got some issues with low self-esteem which get in the way.


Btw, CJ is a member of the Gear Page. Calling him a liar is a violation of TGP rules.

Just thinkin' you might want to be careful what you're posting...

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 08:58 PM
You sound like.. you hate Clay. That's fine.

How can you tell my pedal is the LDO(what is that?) ? Please don't say something that you can 100% real.

Whatever you can believe it. That's ok too.


Tomo

Landgraff's Dynamic Overdrive is a TS clone with some mods. I'm sure it's a fine pedal, and I dig the swirly box but it's orgin seems to have little to no similarities to the CJOD.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 09:01 PM
I mentioned the Landgraff name because in Clay Jones' story he mentioned that one of the pedals he gave you to try was his exact copy of the LDO but he does not mention the names and origins of the other two pedals he gave to you.

So,I asked you to see how open you would be since you mentioned that Clay Jones sent descriptions to you on the pedals he gave to you.

That's all I'm doing Tomo because Clay Jones continually bashes John Landgraff but he declines to expose himself by showing what the Clay Jones Overdrive is derived from.

I feel sorry for you Tomo because now you're using an overdrive pedal that was built by a guy who hates the guy who built the cabs your amps are in.

Actually, I believe Clay did mention what the other two pedals were in part of a post on another forum. But, I'll refrain from saying as I'm not entirely sure. CJ has continually said he stumbled on the CJOD modding something else, and from what I understand he doesn't want to mass produce and profit off a design that he didn't completely originate. That says much about his character, actually.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 09:08 PM
Tomo,

I do not know you,I don't know Clay Jones,I don't know John Landgraff,and you guys don't know me.

From my end,this is like a story that I'm reading from a book except it's here on the internet.It's caught my interest so I read the excerpts and asked a few questions.That's how much I care about it.

I never said or suggested that the pedal you liked from Clay Jones was the Landgraff....that is your misunderstanding.

Human behavior (mine included) fascinates me and this has been an interesting study so far.

Agreed, it's been a fascinating read and the OP just wanted to see some swirly CJOD boxes!

QOTSA
12-15-2007, 09:10 PM
You tested a Clay Jones Overdrive (only 50 made, sold here on TGP and highly sought after) at a Guitar Center against your CJOD clone? :confused: Guitar Center had a CJOD?

Ha! No, I met up with another gear pager half way between us to comprare pedal boards. GC was a good place to do it as he knew one one of the clerks. There was many cool things I wanted to check out so the comparison didn't last very long.

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 09:12 PM
Ha! No, I met up with another gear pager half way between us to comprare pedal boards. GC was a good place to do it as he knew one one of the clerks. There was many cool things I wanted to check out so the comparison didn't last very long.

Whew, you had me dazzled there for a second! :AOK

John Hurtt
12-15-2007, 09:18 PM
Thanks for the head up. I guess it is possible for a person to give 2 different answers to the same question and not be a liar. Maybe they got some new information or had some realization that caused them to see things differently. BTW, is Clay a memeber - I thought he asked for his membership to be revoked ... again.

I believe he is still a member, but I'm thinking that calling him a liar would still be slandering him here on TGP. This thread is lively enough without someone getting hit with a rules violation.

OOG
12-15-2007, 10:01 PM
the CJOD is a unique pedal
period
that's all it is
a pedal to play guitar with
get the f*ck over it

z3
12-15-2007, 11:10 PM
This thread is just stuck on stupid.

after reading the last 7-8 pages, or whatever, to catch up on this fascinating subject of "CJOD roll call", i'd have to say that i agree.
for the most part.
not pointing at any one person in particular.
not including everyone in general.
all appropriate disclaimers claimed and caveats convened.

Wheels
12-16-2007, 12:37 AM
What a bunch of r-tards. Fools on a forum.
Back to the subject at hand.
#44. Built June 2005. Thanks Clay and Bob. Love it.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/wheels327/CJODBoard.jpg

rewog
12-16-2007, 12:38 AM
When it comes to CJOD discussions on TGP, there's 2 kinds of people.
Those that have one, and those that wish they did...:YinYang

I'm in the second group.

big mike
12-16-2007, 01:48 AM
When it comes to CJOD discussions on TGP, there's 2 kinds of people.
Those that have one, and those that wish they did...:YinYang

I'm in the second group.

There must be 3.

I don't have one, And I don't wish I did. It's a cool pedal (I've tried John's through MY rig) but I have other things that work better for me.

big mike
12-16-2007, 01:49 AM
the CJOD is a unique pedal
period
that's all it is
a pedal to play guitar with
get the f*ck over it

Yup. :BEER

rewog
12-16-2007, 01:52 AM
There must be 3.

I don't have one, And I don't wish I did. It's a cool pedal (I've tried John's through MY rig) but I have other things that work better for me.

Fair call.

I might fit in that group if I'd tried one too...
I must admit, I'm pretty happy withe the OD's I have now...

TheGrooveking
12-16-2007, 02:24 AM
Wait until you stack two CJOD's, now that's another dimension altogether...

TheGrooveking

therhodeo
12-16-2007, 02:35 AM
The funny part is that I'm sure Clay is sitting at home laughing at all the time you guys have wasted arguing over this.

Tomo
12-16-2007, 08:34 AM
There must be 3.

I don't have one, And I don't wish I did. It's a cool pedal (I've tried John's through MY rig) but I have other things that work better for me.

Maybe 4.

I am gonna get a Boss SD-1!

I still don't know why people put Clay down. show is over. Move on.


Tomo

big mike
12-16-2007, 09:11 AM
Maybe 4.

I am gonna get a Boss SD-1!

I still don't know why people put Clay down. show is over. Move on.


Tomo


+1

Or anyone else for that matter....

Tomo
12-16-2007, 09:36 AM
+1

Or anyone else for that matter....

It's fun to search gears to get better tone. but I hope people enjoy just plug guitar into amp and enjoy it! Finding own tone.. touch... feel... dynamics.. to me.. that most fascinating thing for me.

See you at NAMM!


Tomo

big mike
12-16-2007, 09:47 AM
It's fun to search gears to get better tone. but I hope people enjoy just plug guitar into amp and enjoy it! Finding own tone.. touch... feel... dynamics.. to me.. that most fascinating thing for me.

See you at NAMM!


Tomo


I look forward to it my friend!
I'm not in a booth, so I will have more time to run around (I hope.)

big mike
12-16-2007, 10:02 AM
Or we could just keep beating people over the heads with our opinions....

Tomo
12-16-2007, 10:05 AM
Good morning Tomo,

People put Clay Jones down for the condescending things he says and writes about people like John Landgraff and Bob Burt.

Have you read the things that Clay Jones has written himself about Landgraff and Bob Burt?

They put him down because of the hypocrisy behind him exposing the secret circuits of popular pedals like the Klon Centaur yet he decides to not reveal the modded circuit he used for what has now become the so called Clay Jones Overdrive....and he's a self proclaimed Do it Yourselfer who loves to talk and share info about effect pedals.

The reason he won't reveal it is because the CJOD is not an original design.It is some modded circuit and if it was revealed,he would possibly be ridiculed in the same way that he has been ridiculing people like John Landgraff for all these years.

You need to read the story that Clay Jones himself wrote not more than six days ago over on the stompbox page and when you're through reading it you need to contact Clay Jones yourself and tell him that the show is over and to move on.

Thanks for writing. If you keep saying.. "The reason he won't reveal it is because the CJOD is not an original design" Please prove it. You need to read that(freestompbox pge) a few more times and think about it carefully. Thanks.

Tomo

big mike
12-16-2007, 10:16 AM
As far as this story is concerned,I've based my opinions on what Clay Jones has written himself along with some other information I received from people who are directly involved.

That's all this is to me....a story....a sad story.


Right. and my point has been, and continues to be, that as none of us were directly involved, it's silly to sit and speculate. Beating up Tomo about it isn't going to help anything.

Time to let it go.

You are right Big Mike....if we didn't then TGP would not exist.


That I won't agree with. This board USED to be about exchange of information. In the past year or two more and more seem to have decided that internet annonymity makes it easier to be a completely devoid of any sort of civility or open minded discussion.

Hopefully that will end soon, as change is in the works.

(you've been realtively civil, no knock on you, I just think it's time to drop this topic).

Tomo
12-16-2007, 11:02 AM
I have been reading everything that comes up since this story started way back years ago and what I write is what I believe.

I can't prove anything.The only person who can is not saying anything.

From what I've read and seen,I'd have a hard time believing anything Clay Jones would have to say about what has now become the so called Clay Jones Overdrive.

You have no problem with Clay Jones and the things he writes about John Landgraff and Bob Burt and how he gladly reveals the secret circuits of pedals like the Klon Centaur yet refuses to reveal the modded circuit he used for the CJOD.That's fine to you.

To me,it's sad.

Thanks for writing. I am just friend of Clay. Whatever you believe is fine with me. You are just in drama/gossip circle. Whatever you think about me is fine too. Thanks.

Tomo

Tomo
12-16-2007, 11:06 AM
Big Mike,

I apologize if you think I'm beating up Tomo.All I did was ask him if he knew that one of the original pedals Jones gave to him was a Landgraff clone and Tomo has been on the defensive ever since.

I guess he became defensive when I asked him what the other pedals were that Jones sent to him which he declined to share because of personal reasons and then I questioned why.

I'm just participating in the discussion.

I'll agree with you and drop out now.

I am sorry if I gave you that feeling.

you can ask whatever you want... but I don't have to answer if I don't like to. Other pedals were personal pedals. Great pedals. I love them.

Thanks,

Tomo

Last Nerve
12-16-2007, 11:08 AM
Tomo,
What booth will you be in at NAMM?
I want to make it a point to come by and see you play.
Thanks.

Tomo
12-16-2007, 11:31 AM
Tomo,
What booth will you be in at NAMM?
I want to make it a point to come by and see you play.
Thanks.

Please come down to Eminence 4334 in Hall C.

Thanks,

Tomo

ericb
12-16-2007, 11:35 AM
Hey Tomo,

There's no reason for you to make the comment you made.

I'm not in drama/gossip circle.I'm reading what Clay Jones wrote himself and then I'm taking the information given to me from Bob Burt and John Landgraff and coming up with what I believe is to be true.

No drama.No gossip.

Are you still friends with Bob Burt?Have you read what Clay Jones has said about him?If so,I would think that would make you feel a little sad since they used to be friends.

But as far as you and me are concerned,there is no reason for you to make negative comments about me.

If you believe that I have made negative comments about you then I apologize Tomo.

EVERY SINGLE THING you've posted on this thread made perfect sense '5souldmates'. You don't need people to agree with you . Many people have 'blinders' on and/or are naive and/or simply don't care and that's perfectly ok... The posts I"ve read from this person in the past were such a joke, I simply RAN the other direction. I would want nothing at all to do with him.

Eric

chuck
12-16-2007, 11:38 AM
I love my cjod. :)

Tomo
12-16-2007, 11:57 AM
Hey Tomo,

There's no reason for you to make the comment you made.

I'm not in drama/gossip circle.I'm reading what Clay Jones wrote himself and then I'm taking the information given to me from Bob Burt and John Landgraff and coming up with what I believe is to be true.

No drama.No gossip.

Are you still friends with Bob Burt?Have you read what Clay Jones has said about him?If so,I would think that would make you feel a little sad since they used to be friends.

But as far as you and me are concerned,there is no reason for you to make negative comments about me.

If you believe that I have made negative comments about you then I apologize Tomo.

I am very sorry if I made negative comment about you.

I deeply apologize to you. Sorry about that.


Tomo

Cary Chilton
12-16-2007, 12:09 PM
Tomo, I agree people should stop arguing about the CJOD, myself included. I also think that it would help to let this meaningless thread fade away.....

.... if truly a roll-call for the CJOD this exclusive thread should have only been 50 or so posts and then wither and die....

I hope people restrain themselves and NOT post on this thread anymore. IF you are obessively, compusively determined to type about the CJOD, MAKE A NEW THREAD. THIS THREAD IS DONE, imo.

chuck
12-16-2007, 02:21 PM
.... if truly a roll-call for the CJOD this exclusive thread should have only been 50 or so posts and then wither and die....



Cary,
I started the thread and thats exactly what I thought I'd find. I didn't know about some gut spilling post on another board or a recent cjod on the EBay.

I really thought the thread would die quick with such a small ownership.
I think the number maybe 56.

So now it can die. :)

rewog
02-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Well, the builder is going to be sending me a test unit to A/B extensively with my original unit, so he's definitely legit in my book and we'll see soon enough just how accurate it is. I, for one, am really looking forward to hearing this and I can't pass up the chance to have a backup or two for playing out with. This could be a big part of tone search ended right here. $300 is pretty fair considering the original was $250. This could be a big chance for folks to be able to hear what it's about, but stay tuned because clips will be posted comparing and contrasting the two when it comes in. I think the builder does realize this pedal is going to come with some skepticism and I'll do my best to make sure it's legit.

Josh (QOTSA) is relatively new here so I'm sure that's why we haven't heard of this earlier. Thanks for mentioning it Josh!

So, a follow up The Chris:-

Did you ever receive the test pedal ?
How did it compare to your CJOD ?

Thanks

dirtnap101
02-02-2008, 09:41 PM
Interesting question Rewog, considering The Chris has a CJOD on the emporium right now! Enquiring minds want to know...

rewog
02-03-2008, 07:01 AM
Interesting question Rewog, considering The Chris has a CJOD on the emporium right now! Enquiring minds want to know...

I did notice that... and now on Ebay... :confused:

Tomo
01-07-2010, 10:14 AM
I still love my CJOD pedals.

Tomo

Tube Guy
01-07-2010, 10:54 AM
I still love my CJOD pedals.

Tomo
Me too, my CJOD is arguably the best OD I own and it was wonderful talking to Clay at the time it was made. He has some great insight into mixing and matching EQs and neutral ODs to suit rigs and venues.

Sadly, a moment's lack of restraint in Gruhn's in Nashville recently means mine is for sale. Hopefully no-one will buy it and I'll just have to keep it :)

Tomo
03-25-2010, 01:56 PM
Me too, my CJOD is arguably the best OD I own and it was wonderful talking to Clay at the time it was made. He has some great insight into mixing and matching EQs and neutral ODs to suit rigs and venues.

Sadly, a moment's lack of restraint in Gruhn's in Nashville recently means mine is for sale. Hopefully no-one will buy it and I'll just have to keep it :)

Thanks for writing. Hope you keep yours. One time a guy in Japan offered me $2500.

Tomo