New Eminence speaker content

[DreamTone7]

Appreciate the response...a little hard to do a search for something so specific (unless I just don't know how). And 30+ pages of posts would take me an hour to go through. It just seemed to me that they are two speakers with a somewhat similar application...so it begs the question how they might compare since I have not heard the Tonker yet.

[fullerplast]

Originally posted by DreamTone7
Has anybody done a comparison with the Tonker and a Celestion Classic Lead 80? How do they compare and what are the differences?

I currently have both. As Mike said, the Tonker has a "fuller" tone, especially in the bass and a brighter top end. Personally, I'd say the CL80 is a little smoother and balanced overall but the Tonker sounds really good with some amps. I'd avoid the Tonker with bass heavy amps. Try them both if you can.

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by DreamTone7
Has anybody done a comparison with the Tonker and a Celestion Classic Lead 80? How do they compare and what are the differences? I have both speakers loaded in the same cab. Ive done plenty of recording with them and here is what I have found. First, they sound nothing alike. The CL 80 has more low end by alot. The Tonker really does not have much low end, I was surprised. It is very tight and you can slam as much vol/ bass to it as you want and the cones barely move. The mids are very detailed and full, the highs are smooth. It's more of a punchy midrange tone where the CL80 is smoother and more balanced.

George

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Greazygeo
I have both speakers loaded in the same cab. Ive done plenty of recording with them and here is what I have found. First, they sound nothing alike. The CL 80 has more low end by alot. The Tonker really does not have much low end, I was surprised. It is very tight and you can slam as much vol/ bass to it as you want and the cones barely move. The mids are very detailed and full, the highs are smooth. It's more of a punchy midrange tone where the CL80 is smoother and more balanced.

George






Very interesting, my results were just the opposite.
I found the CL80 to mush out on bass notes
where the Tonker is still holding together,
also, the Tonker's efficiency blows it away.
IMO, or course!:dude

[sgguitarzz]

Well I got a chance to really crank the Governor some at a rock gig last night. I have to say that it is sounding better and better. This speaker just seems to have a real "presence" to the sound. This was a great test gig since we play at this place every month. The Governor is great at clean sounds as well as distortion/OD. We play classic rock which encompasses a little of everything and this speaker is a big upgrade from the old Celestion G1275T.

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Very interesting, my results were just the opposite.
I found the CL80 to mush out on bass notes
where the Tonker is still holding together,
also, the Tonker's efficiency blows it away.
IMO, or course!:dude Considering the Tonker puts out less low end and is rated for almost 2x the power of the CL80, I can see why it holds together better at high volumes....the Tonker is a louder speaker when recording, but have not noticed so much difference in the room.
I moved some speakers around last nite, took my CL80's and put them in my 2-12 cab, while putting the Tonkers in the top half of my Wizard cab with VHT p50's in the bottom half. They are wired to different output jacks, so I can try each type indepentently.
After playing this morning, I still find the Tonkers to have less bass than either the CL80's and P50's, still sounds very midrangy. That's not a bad thing at all.....see what happens at tonites gig.

just what I hear.....


George

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Greazygeo
Considering the Tonker puts out less low end and is rated for almost 2x the power of the CL80, I can see why it holds together better at high volumes....the Tonker is a louder speaker when recording, but have not noticed so much difference in the room.
I moved some speakers around last nite, took my CL80's and put them in my 2-12 cab, while putting the Tonkers in the top half of my Wizard cab with VHT p50's in the bottom half. They are wired to different output jacks, so I can try each type indepentently.
After playing this morning, I still find the Tonkers to have less bass than either the CL80's and P50's, still sounds very midrangy. That's not a bad thing at all.....see what happens at tonites gig.

just what I hear.....


George







FWIW, if you're running the Tonkers (or any two speakers)
in a 4 12" cab with two other speakers disconnected,
it will effect the bass response.
You have uneven pressure on the baffleboard.
Try the two Tonkers in your 2 12" cab.

[dbeeman]

You have uneven pressure on the baffleboard. ?

DOug, can you explain? I don't understand

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by dbeeman
?

DOug, can you explain? I don't understand







You have a bafflebard with four holes in it.
Now, you disconect two speakers,
those two speakers and their holes
will cause the bafflebaord to resonate/flex
in a way that will effect bass response
because you no longer have the even pressure
of four speakers firing at the same time,
and even material around the speakers.
Take any baffleboard and cut extra holes
in it, you have less material, it will flex,
bass will turn ugly, and mushy.
Same thing happends if you loosen your speaker
screws, they have to have a stiff mounting/board to produce
quality bass.
I would suggest when you A/B speakers you use
the identical cab configuration, and number of speakers.

Now, Im not arguing that he isn't hearing something
different than me, only that what he's using will
affect his A/B tests.

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
FWIW, if you're running the Tonkers (or any two speakers)
in a 4 12" cab with two other speakers disconnected,
it will effect the bass response.
You have uneven pressure on the baffleboard.
Try the two Tonkers in your 2 12" cab. Already been there and done it. That was the first cab I had them loaded (when I first got them)....I moved the Tonkers the nite before to the 2-12 to give them another try in that cab. After playing them the next day they came back out and in went the CL80's. The CL80's still have more lows. The Tonkers are back in the top of the 4-12 with the P50's in the bottom as in my earlier post. The P50's dont seem to act any different bass response wise.
I was too lazy to take the 4-12 to the gig and just used the 2-12....

George

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Greazygeo
Already been there and done it. That was the first cab I had them loaded (when I first got them)....I moved the Tonkers the nite before to the 2-12 to give them another try in that cab. After playing them the next day they came back out and in went the CL80's. The CL80's still have more lows. The Tonkers are back in the top of the 4-12 with the P50's in the bottom as in my earlier post. The P50's dont seem to act any different bass response wise.
I was too lazy to take the 4-12 to the gig and just used the 2-12....

George






Sounds good.

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Sounds good. One thing I have noticed, is that by only plugging into the bottom speakers, sound bleeds out thru the top speakers.....I don't like that much...guess I'll have to use all 4 speakers....4 Tonkers would weigh too much, I can barely lift the cab with two of them and two other speakers......

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Greazygeo
One thing I have noticed, is that by only plugging into the bottom speakers, sound bleeds out thru the top speakers.....I don't like that much...guess I'll have to use all 4 speakers....4 Tonkers would weigh too much, I can barely lift the cab with two of them and two other speakers......






You'll build your muscles up this way!
Like I said earlier, not using
two speakers in a 4 12" causes
some very unwanted side effects.:dude

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
You'll build your muscles up this way!
Like I said earlier, not using
two speakers in a 4 12" causes
some very unwanted side effects.:dude I dont know about that...I weigh about 130-135 and this cab weighs about 120 now (about 200 Lbs at 3am!!)...it was 100lbs with 4 GB's and a Tonker is easily a bunch heavier....maybe I'll pull out 2 speakers and make something to plug the holes, see what that does...

George

[carlygtr56]

4 Tonkas in my Mojo-built 4X12 are kickin'. Smooth.
I feel a big improvement from the G12H-30's I took out.
Just got them in, but initial impressions are I dig em.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
4 Tonkas in my Mojo-built 4X12 are kickin'. Smooth.
I feel a big improvement from the G12H-30's I took out.
Just got them in, but initial impressions are I dig em.







Glad to hear it!
I wish I had these new Eminence speakers 30yrs ago,
things may have turned out differently.

[WinstonN]

This is a great post, but really damn frustrating, too.

It's so long now, that unless you've been following it closely, you're not going to get a lot of the great info here.

AAARRRRHHHH.

[big mike]

Originally posted by WinstonN
This is a great post, but really damn frustrating, too.

It's so long now, that unless you've been following it closely, you're not going to get a lot of the great info here.

AAARRRRHHHH.


What do you want to know bro? Someone will chime in with the answer. Likely Doug, our resident Emi Guinea Pig, and Amp Guru. Or some of the other amp Gurus.

Plus a lot of us have tried them now. Digging the Private Jack myself...

[WinstonN]

Originally posted by big mike blues
What do you want to know bro? Someone will chime in with the answer. Likely Doug, our resident Emi Guinea Pig, and Amp Guru. Or some of the other amp Gurus.

Plus a lot of us have tried them now. Digging the Private Jack myself...

Actually, I've tried several already and I'm really impressed.

I have a Red Fang in each of a late 60's (I think) Traynor YBA-2B (2x6L6) and a Traynor 1970 (I think) YGM-3... I went through a Traynor buying thing and I'm very, very happy about the outcome.

The YBA-2B sounds close to my Rambler with the R.F. (a little more girth) -- can't wait to change the caps and see what happens. The YGM-3 absolutely sucked big time with the original speaker, but with the RF, it may move into a favorite spot. I'm just really happy with the Red Fangs.

I have a 4x12 Splawn with 2 Govs and 2 Tonkers. WOW, what a cab, but just too much for me (too much sound and too heavy, and too heavy). It's not broken in yet - not even close. Plus, I'm running a 4xKT88 Pro Mod throuigh it and I'm afraid I'll kill my kids with it.

Anyway, it's nice to know that I can get the best, most trusted (if not the most opinionated) advice here on stuff. wn

[carltonh]

With the talk of 4x12s being to heavy, that brings to mind: Jensen and Celestion have neodynium models, when are Eminence and Weber finally going to release neodynium guitar speakers? I wonder if some of the current neo speakers would work well in combination with others to balance weight and tone.

[sgguitarzz]

My Governor is sounding better and better with each use.

Dennis

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
What do you want to know bro? Someone will chime in with the answer. Likely Doug, our resident Emi Guinea Pig, and Amp Guru. Or some of the other amp Gurus.

Plus a lot of us have tried them now. Digging the Private Jack myself...







The Private Jack is now my standard 4 12" speaker,
the Govenor for my 2 12", and 18watt combo.
Doug

[big mike]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
The Private Jack is now my standard 4 12" speaker,
the Govenor for my 2 12", and 18watt combo.
Doug

:dude

Right on Doug. Glad to hear they are holding up after a few months and their not a flash in the pan for you. I really like the PJ. Going to try some other stuff down the road.

What do you think for a high gain channel switcher like a Rivera M60? Looks like I may get one in trade for a guitar I was having trouble selling.

Good cleans, and Nice OD. Tonker?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
:dude

Right on Doug. Glad to hear they are holding up after a few months and their not a flash in the pan for you. I really like the PJ. Going to try some other stuff down the road.

What do you think for a high gain channel switcher like a Rivera M60? Looks like I may get one in trade for a guitar I was having trouble selling.

Good cleans, and Nice OD. Tonker?






Tonker or Govenor for 2 12", Private Jack for 4 12".
At this point, thats my preference.
(damn, lots of E's in that word)

[sgguitarzz]

Mike -

The Governor is working well in my Sunn T50C which has a good clean channel and very high gain second channel (though I have tamed it down a bit). This may be similar in some ways to the Rivera you mentioned. The Governor seems to sound well on both ends of the spectrum.

Dennis

[big mike]

Hmmm. Least it will be fun trying some things.

1x12 combo by the way. Thinking Governer or Cannibis Rex.

Gotta make sure I get it first! Has stock a JBL which is very much NOT my cup of tea.

[Alard]

About 4x12 cabs with only 2 speakers . . .

I've been using a closed back 4x12 with 2 speakers removed, for several months.

I've mixed the speakers, one Vintage 30 and one Eminence GB12.

This cabinet sounds really good to me, it approximates the detuned configuration discussed on some amp sites.

It's worth a listen. If you try it, please let me know.

[mxr2000]

Originally posted by jonc
mike

thanks for the info. i'll check em out. tonight i tried both my Altec 417-based 2x12 and my EVM 12S-based 2x12, and the Altecs were such a better fit. this hasn't always been the case, but with the V4 at least, the Altecs are far and away better. richer, fuller and articulated, but without the harsh, ringing top end i heard with the EV's. of course, i need to work with the amp a lot more, but this at least gives me a point of departure as far as sound goes.

thanks again.

jon Hi you know of any speaker that come close to the Altec 417*12 sound?

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by Alard
About 4x12 cabs with only 2 speakers . . .

I've been using a closed back 4x12 with 2 speakers removed, for several months.

I've mixed the speakers, one Vintage 30 and one Eminence GB12.

This cabinet sounds really good to me, it approximates the detuned configuration discussed on some amp sites.

It's worth a listen. If you try it, please let me know. I may try that this weekend. Did you seal up the empty spots or just leave them open. I did that with my old marshall cab awhile back, but dont remember exactly how it sounded...

George

[johnc]

I just recently purchased and installed a Governor in a 2-12 cabinet. Currently it's matched up with a Vintage 30. I'm not sure how scientific this is, but I've been comparing the two speakers by placing a pillow in front of one speaker and then the other. To my ears, the Governor sounds like a smoother Vintage 30. The high frequencies of the Governor seem to be rolled off a little as compared to the Vintage 30. The Governor also delivers a nice tight ka-chunck in the bass when picking muted bass strings. So far I'm extremely happy with it!

Forgot to mention this, but, I like that rubber cover that Eminence is using to shield the magnet. Now that's cool.

[Scott_F]

I've got a set of Red Fangs in my 2x12 Trem Cat and couldn't be happier.

In addition, I put a set of Texas Heats in my 2x12 68 Pro Reverb. Very nice classic sounding speaker in a classic amp.

I've got two Copperheads on order for a 2x10 Tweed Super I'm building.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Scott_F
I've got a set of Red Fangs in my 2x12 Trem Cat and couldn't be happier.

In addition, I put a set of Texas Heats in my 2x12 68 Pro Reverb. Very nice classic sounding speaker in a classic amp.

I've got two Copperheads on order for a 2x10 Tweed Super I'm building.








Can you tell me how the Texas Heat's
are in your Pro?

[Wakarusa]

Finally played around enough with some to comment:

Pair of Red Fangs in an old closed 2x12 Supro cab. Still desperately chasing after a rattle but the tone is frankly wonderful - particularly when run from the 64 Deluxe or one of the A-2's (similar to tweed deluxe). Great detail, very full sounding.

Also tried a Governor and Private Jack mixed in the '66 Twin Reverb. Somehow the PJ just wasn't doing it for me - suspect I might actually have a bum speaker (still checking) but the Governor just seemed to overwhelm it. Swapped out for a Red White and Blues to go next to the Governor. No idea how this would work for the Marshall crowd but in the TR the pair is fabulous. They balance well and the RWB adds just a bit of "furriness" that I want from a blackface Fender. Can't wait for 'em to break in a bit more to see how they turn out.

Anyone need a pair of '66 C12N? :D

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Wakarusa Amp
Finally played around enough with some to comment:

Pair of Red Fangs in an old closed 2x12 Supro cab. Still desperately chasing after a rattle but the tone is frankly wonderful - particularly when run from the 64 Deluxe or one of the A-2's (similar to tweed deluxe). Great detail, very full sounding.

Also tried a Governor and Private Jack mixed in the '66 Twin Reverb. Somehow the PJ just wasn't doing it for me - suspect I might actually have a bum speaker (still checking) but the Governor just seemed to overwhelm it. Swapped out for a Red White and Blues to go next to the Governor. No idea how this would work for the Marshall crowd but in the TR the pair is fabulous. They balance well and the RWB adds just a bit of "furriness" that I want from a blackface Fender. Can't wait for 'em to break in a bit more to see how they turn out.

Anyone need a pair of '66 C12N? :D








Yes, I'll take your pair of 66 C12N,
and also pay you good money for them.

[Alard]

Greazygeo

I left the holes open, the back closed. That is what detunes the cab. That means that it doesn't have a resonant peak in the range of the frequencies of interest.

Played an outside gig again yesterday and was loving the sound.

[gururyan]

I just sat and read this thread from post #1...yes, even the multiple derailments. I just wanted to add that I will be dropping a Private Jack into my Blues Deluxe. Hope it's as good as you all say.

...I trust most of you ;) , so I should be in good hands.

[big mike]

Originally posted by gururyan
I just sat and read this thread from post #1...yes, even the multiple derailments. I just wanted to add that I will be dropping a Private Jack into my Blues Deluxe. Hope it's as good as you all say.

...I trust most of you ;) , so I should be in good hands.

Trust. If you buy it, it WILL rock!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by gururyan
I just sat and read this thread from post #1...yes, even the multiple derailments. I just wanted to add that I will be dropping a Private Jack into my Blues Deluxe. Hope it's as good as you all say.

...I trust most of you ;) , so I should be in good hands.







The Private Jack is a great speaker.

[big mike]

Well, I'll officially be the Gunea Pig.

I just ordered an 8 ohm Stonehenge to play with with my Z's and new (to me) Rivera. I also ordered an 8ohm Swamp thing for another 1x12 cab, so I can have a big warm american speaker when needed. (Tomo's tapes were all I needed for that!)

Fun stuff. Will report when they get here from Ted Weber. He's got the Emi's up for sale now, and great prices.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by big mike blues
He's got the Emi's up for sale now, and great prices.

you ain't joking! :dude

i just got a Cannibis Rex for my, ahem, Classic 30. :D

(we'll see if it tops my Alltone in sound, it's beaten it pricewise by $5 thanks to Weber)

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogs
you ain't joking! :dude

i just got a Cannibis Rex for my, ahem, Classic 30. :D

(we'll see if it tops my Alltone in sound, it's beaten it pricewise by $5 thanks to Weber)

Haha, yep!

I figured I'd try a Stonehenge just because no one said anything about them yet!

[fakeox]

"I figured I'd try a Stonehenge just because no one said anything about them yet!"

There's a daring feller! Hope we hear about it soon..

[big mike]

Originally posted by fakeox
"I figured I'd try a Stonehenge just because no one said anything about them yet!"

There's a daring feller! Hope we hear about it soon..

He he. Well, someone has to be the first guy to give a report on it!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
He he. Well, someone has to be the first guy to give a report on it!









We're waiting.........:cool:

[big mike]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
We're waiting.........:cool:

So am I! Coming from Indiana to NorCal buddy.

Just taking your advice Doug. Try em and see!:p

[enharmonic]

I too read this post from page 1, and would like to thank each of you for your reviews and feedback on the speakers.

I am currently working on an amp design that is a tonal cross between a Hiwatt and a Vox. How do you think the Tonker would match up to this type of amp?

:dude

[MichaelRosas]

Hey everyone! I am so glad I found this forum.

I have a Fender Tonemaster 100W head and 2x12 enclosure with Classic Lead 80s inside. I'm not digging the sound of the 80s with this head and want to replace them. I've heard that Zinky designed the TM amp with the V30 in mind, and that the V30 is a better match with the head, but now I am considering The Private Jacks or the Governor. What I am shooting for is a very vintage 70s rock sound ala older AC/DC and Thin Lizzy. I know that the old greenbacks are on those records. I'd like to get something in the same vein but not a direct facsimile.. this is why I haven't just gone with a SLP and a 4x12 with greenbacks.

Any advice on a good Red Coat choice for the tonemaster 212 head/cab setup? I play mostly moderately dirty rock/bluesy sound and don't really care much about getting great shimmery clean tones. I noticed Doug is using PJs in 4x12s only and governors in 2x12s. Is there a reason I shouldn't do the PJs in a 2x12?

Please excuse my naivete.. I am new here. Ha.

[big mike]

Originally posted by MichaelRosas
Hey everyone! I am so glad I found this forum.

I have a Fender Tonemaster 100W head and 2x12 enclosure with Classic Lead 80s inside. I'm not digging the sound of the 80s with this head and want to replace them. I've heard that Zinky designed the TM amp with the V30 in mind, and that the V30 is a better match with the head, but now I am considering The Private Jacks or the Governor. What I am shooting for is a very vintage 70s rock sound ala older AC/DC and Thin Lizzy. I know that the old greenbacks are on those records. I'd like to get something in the same vein but not a direct facsimile.. this is why I haven't just gone with a SLP and a 4x12 with greenbacks.

Any advice on a good Red Coat choice for the tonemaster 212 head/cab setup? I play mostly moderately dirty rock/bluesy sound and don't really care much about getting great shimmery clean tones. I noticed Doug is using PJs in 4x12s only and governors in 2x12s. Is there a reason I shouldn't do the PJs in a 2x12?

Please excuse my naivete.. I am new here. Ha.

Welcome!


I'd probably go with the Governers. I love the Private Jack, I use 1 in a 1x12, but I hear the Governers have a bit more low end, which would help with that cab.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Welcome!


I'd probably go with the Governers. I love the Private Jack, I use 1 in a 1x12, but I hear the Governers have a bit more low end, which would help with that cab.

I agree with you!

My fav right now:

Texas Heat
Swamp Thang
Rajin Cajun

I am very happy with those.

Tomo

[big mike]

Originally posted by Tomo
I agree with you!

My fav right now:

Texas Heat
Swamp Thang
Rajin Cajun

I am very happy with those.

Tomo

They are all so good, I hope to try them all!

I have Swamp Thang and Stonehenge coming next week so I will post reports with Both Dr Z amps and Rivera.

May combine in a 2x12 too so I can see what that sounds like!

Speakers are much cheaper than pickups, and so much fun!

[carltonh]

So Tomo, I'm still seeking opinions on how well he Texas Heat can handle Marshall-like and/or higher gain tones. Do you have an opinion on this?

Considering that it is one of the cheaper ones in the Eminence line, 38 instead of 58 oz. magnet like many others, and with David Barber using it, it seems like the one I'll get eventually, if the answer to the question above is favorable.

[MichaelRosas]

Thanks fellas. It's odd.. I noticed on the Eminence site that the Private Jack is supposedly closer to the Greenback but the Governor is the one that they say has more of the "classic 60s and 70s rock sound." I think I'm gonna go with the Governor and see what happens. I have a feeling I'll dig them more than the V30s. If I had the dough, I'd try all three!

[big mike]

Originally posted by carltonh
So Tomo, I'm still seeking opinions on how well he Texas Heat can handle Marshall-like and/or higher gain tones. Do you have an opinion on this?

Considering that it is one of the cheaper ones in the Eminence line, 38 instead of 58 oz. magnet like many others, and with David Barber using it, it seems like the one I'll get eventually, if the answer to the question above is favorable.

I thought about getting that one myself, but decided on the ST for more low end, as it will reside in a 1x12 cab most likely.

BTW Weber is selling them now, and Ted's prices are fantastic on the new Eminence Speakers. www.webervst.com

[Tomo]

Originally posted by carltonh
So Tomo, I'm still seeking opinions on how well he Texas Heat can handle Marshall-like and/or higher gain tones. Do you have an opinion on this?

Considering that it is one of the cheaper ones in the Eminence line, 38 instead of 58 oz. magnet like many others, and with David Barber using it, it seems like the one I'll get eventually, if the answer to the question above is favorable.


Texas Heat can handle quite power I think.
I love this for 2 12 cab.

Texas Heat v.s. Swamp Thing.
I love both, that's why I have 2 Pro Reverb.

59 oz, makes bigger, more bass.


Hope this will help you.


Tomo

[Tomo]

Originally posted by big mike blues
I thought about getting that one myself, but decided on the ST for more low end, as it will reside in a 1x12 cab most likely.

BTW Weber is selling them now, and Ted's prices are fantastic on the new Eminence Speakers. www.webervst.com


1 12 for ST is great choice.
Johnny A 's fav too.

2 12 for TH is good choice and
if you wish something bigger and can carry heavier
go for ST.

I am not a big guy so I did choose TH.


Tomo

[hawkeye17]

I'm really digging these Eminence Governor's in my Splawn 2x12. They seem to sound better each day as they break in. Nice smooth mids and no harshness at all..even with a high gain amp. Awesome bass as well..tight and focused. Was worried that I shoulda gone with Celestion's but not anymore :)

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by hawkeye17
I'm really digging these Eminence Governor's in my Splawn 2x12. They seem to sound better each day as they break in. Nice smooth mids and no harshness at all..even with a high gain amp. Awesome bass as well..tight and focused. Was worried that I shoulda gone with Celestion's but not anymore :)







You have good ears, congrats on your excellent choice.

[chainsawmillerm]

Wow this thread is large. I just signed up. A red fang is currently in transit. Seems I should have done some more searching before the ordering. Anyway I built a little spitfire clone that I am using a eminence gb12 with at present. the red fang seemed like a good match with all the talk of the poormans c-blue. I'm getting about 15 watts from this amp I suspect. I'm using a 6ca4 instead of a 5ar4. Has anyone tried any of the new eminence offerings with a similar spitfire clone? I used the schem and layout that is available on the net. I'm happy with the gb12 just chasing that c-blue tone without the 300.00 price tag.

[big mike]

Originally posted by chainsawmillerm
Wow this thread is large. I just signed up. A red fang is currently in transit. Seems I should have done some more searching before the ordering. Anyway I built a little spitfire clone that I am using a eminence gb12 with at present. the red fang seemed like a good match with all the talk of the poormans c-blue. I'm getting about 15 watts from this amp I suspect. I'm using a 6ca4 instead of a 5ar4. Has anyone tried any of the new eminence offerings with a similar spitfire clone? I used the schem and layout that is available on the net. I'm happy with the gb12 just chasing that c-blue tone without the 300.00 price tag.

Welcome! It's a great sounding speaker. Heard one with a little George Dennis amp. Killer!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by chainsawmillerm
Wow this thread is large. I just signed up. A red fang is currently in transit. Seems I should have done some more searching before the ordering. Anyway I built a little spitfire clone that I am using a eminence gb12 with at present. the red fang seemed like a good match with all the talk of the poormans c-blue. I'm getting about 15 watts from this amp I suspect. I'm using a 6ca4 instead of a 5ar4. Has anyone tried any of the new eminence offerings with a similar spitfire clone? I used the schem and layout that is available on the net. I'm happy with the gb12 just chasing that c-blue tone without the 300.00 price tag.







With new Eminence line, there are no wrong choices,
you just have to try them.
So far, the Govenor, Private Jack, and Tonker are my #1's.

[dbeeman]

Maybe someone (Doug R?) could start a new thread just outlining the different sounds and applications of the new emi speaker line. Kind of a condensed version.

I have only heard the Red Fang, or I would do it myself

[Jeff Flowerday]

Moved my Canibis Rex from my Fuchs into my 66' Deluxe and I'm very impressed. Nice smooth fat highs and the bottom end is solid. Break up is to die for.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by dbeeman
Maybe someone (Doug R?) could start a new thread just outlining the different sounds and applications of the new emi speaker line. Kind of a condensed version.

I have only heard the Red Fang, or I would do it myself






Like I said, there are no wrong choices,
and I don't really think there is any
special applications for any one particular speaker.
Its personal choice, and what you hear.
Try them, thats the best suggestion I can give,
and is how I ever learned what other speakers
do for me.

Many products come with speakers, tubes ect...
that many people will agree and disagree with.
So, the best choice will be always trying things
for your own self. This is solid advice.,
besides that, speakers are not expensive.

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
This is solid advice.,
besides that, speakers are not expensive.

True, except for the Celestion Blue. It's like GDP of a small country. :p

I really wish it didn't sound so good in my 5E3 clone.

[SgtThump]

My God, this thread wore me out. Wheeeew... I'm more confused now than when I started reading it, though!

I'm looking for advice. Here's my goal... I have a Mesa Recto "Standard" (not the tall version) 4x12" that's completely empty. I just sold the Celestion G12-65's out of it and am about to sell the Vintage 30's.

OK, I hate Vintage 30's with a passion. I can definitely hear that upper mid spike that some hear and some don't. It makes my ears tired and I just strongly dislike these speakers. Also, they don't have the low end I'm wanting.

I also have a Marshall 1960B with 75-watters and I really like these. I don't think they're harsh like alot of other people do. I love the low end. It's big and thick, but the highs still alow it to cut. I also like how these are kinda scooped.

I've loved Greenbacks in the past, but they break up too early for my tastes now and they don't have the low end I need.

Knowing that, which Eminence model would I want to try first? I want to put four of the same model in my Mesa Recto 4x12" cab. The goal is to turn it into a SUPER THICK AND MEATY chunk machine. Seriously... I want the low end to be very tight, but ENORMOUS. Along with the huge bottom, I want very subtle and smooth highs. Nothing too bright at all. The mids can be there, but I wouldn't mind if they were scooped just a hair.

So, which speaker would work?

Eminence Tonker
Eminence Govenor
Eminence Swamp Thang
Celestion Classic Lead 80
etc...?

I was leaning more towards the Tonker, then I see James Peters post about the top end. URGH! lol... What about that Swamp Thang? I read that it has tons of lows, but are they loose and floppy or tight?

ANY ADVICE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!

Oh yeah, I should point out that I'm only concerned with high gain madness. :) My current amps are a Marshall DSL100 head and a Mesa Mark III head. Thanks guys!

Chris

[carltonh]

SgtThump, you didn't say what you thought about the G12-65s. You also say you like the scooped sound of the G12T-75s, but want "super thick and meaty" which implies the opposite of scooped.

Also, why are you opposed to mixing speakers? Sounds like you should have tried the G12-65s and G12T-75s in an X pattern. No new Eminence speaker has yet been described as G12T-75 like at all, which is good for the rest of us that don't like them. Though the 75s are sometimes good in combination with another speaker.

EDIT: also, for what J Peters said about the top end of the Tonkers, it is probably less so than it is for the 75s.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by SgtThump
My God, this thread wore me out. Wheeeew... I'm more confused now than when I started reading it, though!

I'm looking for advice. Here's my goal... I have a Mesa Recto "Standard" (not the tall version) 4x12" that's completely empty. I just sold the Celestion G12-65's out of it and am about to sell the Vintage 30's.

OK, I hate Vintage 30's with a passion. I can definitely hear that upper mid spike that some hear and some don't. It makes my ears tired and I just strongly dislike these speakers. Also, they don't have the low end I'm wanting.

I also have a Marshall 1960B with 75-watters and I really like these. I don't think they're harsh like alot of other people do. I love the low end. It's big and thick, but the highs still alow it to cut. I also like how these are kinda scooped.

I've loved Greenbacks in the past, but they break up too early for my tastes now and they don't have the low end I need.

Knowing that, which Eminence model would I want to try first? I want to put four of the same model in my Mesa Recto 4x12" cab. The goal is to turn it into a SUPER THICK AND MEATY chunk machine. Seriously... I want the low end to be very tight, but ENORMOUS. Along with the huge bottom, I want very subtle and smooth highs. Nothing too bright at all. The mids can be there, but I wouldn't mind if they were scooped just a hair.

So, which speaker would work?

Eminence Tonker
Eminence Govenor
Eminence Swamp Thang
Celestion Classic Lead 80
etc...?

I was leaning more towards the Tonker, then I see James Peters post about the top end. URGH! lol... What about that Swamp Thang? I read that it has tons of lows, but are they loose and floppy or tight?

ANY ADVICE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!

Oh yeah, I should point out that I'm only concerned with high gain madness. :) My current amps are a Marshall DSL100 head and a Mesa Mark III head. Thanks guys!

Chris












Chris, the Tonker is killer for high gain.
I've never heard anything wrong
with the top end.
Marc Ford has one of my 2 12" cabs
loaded with Tonker's,
and hes running a ton of gain on them.
Not one complaint, and he's extremely picky
about top end.
Doug

[voodoohippie]

how are the tonkers for loud chimey clean sounds? maybe even for surf

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carltonh
SgtThump, you didn't say what you thought about the G12-65s. You also say you like the scooped sound of the G12T-75s, but want "super thick and meaty" which implies the opposite of scooped.

Also, why are you opposed to mixing speakers? Sounds like you should have tried the G12-65s and G12T-75s in an X pattern. No new Eminence speaker has yet been described as G12T-75 like at all, which is good for the rest of us that don't like them. Though the 75s are sometimes good in combination with another speaker.

EDIT: also, for what J Peters said about the top end of the Tonkers, it is probably less so than it is for the 75s.

Hey! Well, when I say super thick and meaty, I'm talking about lows and low mids. Sorry I didn't really come out and say that, but that's what I mean. I hope that makes sense.

Also, I'm not AGAINST mixing speakers, but I've done it a few times and haven't been happy with the results. I'd kinda like to get all four of the same type for my Mesa cab "just because". ;)

Oh yeah, the G12-65's were 8ohm and the GT12-75's are 16ohms, so mixing them in a cab wasn't an option. The G12-65's sounded good, but not as thick as I'm after. They actually sounded good mic'ed and recorded, but those darn Vintage 30's ruined the tone in that cab. I just got fed up and sold them all. lol... I want to start over anyway.

Chris

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Chris, the Tonker is killer for high gain.
I've never heard anything wrong
with the top end.
Marc Ford has one of my 2 12" cabs
loaded with Tonker's,
and hes running a ton of gain on them.
Not one complaint, and he's extremely picky
about top end.
Doug

Thanks Doug. Marc Ford uses alot of gain with Harper? I didn't realize that and I'd actually expect him to use medium gain tones. Then again, I don't really listen to Harper much... Cool stuff, though.

Anyway, thanks. Have you heard the Swamp Thang by any chance?

Chris

[big mike]

I got one coming soon, along with a stonehenge. Will post report when they get here.

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Chris, the Tonker is killer for high gain.
I've never heard anything wrong
with the top end.
Marc Ford has one of my 2 12" cabs
loaded with Tonker's,
and hes running a ton of gain on them.
Not one complaint, and he's extremely picky
about top end.
Doug


I agree with Doug. I replaced 4 G12h-30's in my 4X12 with Tonkers.
I wanted a high powered smooth speaker. None of the current Celestions fit the bill and quite frankly, I prefer to spend my money on US made stuff.

The Tonkers are great. Smooth highs and mids and plenty of low end.
These speakers sound NOTHING like Fanes. I'm quite familiar with the 75 watt and 100 watt alnico Fanes. Fanes need to be hit hard and have a rude distinctive midrange.

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by voodoohippie
how are the tonkers for loud chimey clean sounds? maybe even for surf


Here's a description from Ear Candy Cabs I feel is acurate-


A very fat, clean and warm tone through the mid-range, smooth top end."
With a 59oz magnet and a rating of 150 watts RMS and 300 peak @ 102 db (a jet engine runs at 118db) Your cab should be announced like world heavy weight boxer during the show. Its more like , what cant I do? Touch responsive, super clean, nice defined bright and warm top end, and character. This speaker sounds great for a lot of tones, Eminence suggests using it for country and southern rock. True, but that description really limits the imagination from the truth. Want that fat Eric Johnson tone? This is it, it also sounds good with some rippin jazz leads and chords. Tele's do sound amazing with this speaker also. It does have a way of coloring and adding character to the lamest of lame single coils and korean pickups. (we try to check them out with a little of everything.) As with all of these speakers, it sounds unreal. After we got our demos and checked them out we emailed Eminence and said "wow" !!!. And we were honestly blown away with all of these speakers. It is extremely hard to write a good description for every speaker when they all sound good, it just sounds like were trying to sell somthing.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
I agree with Doug. I replaced 4 G12h-30's in my 4X12 with Tonkers.
I wanted a high powered smooth speaker. None of the current Celestions fit the bill and quite frankly, I prefer to spend my money on US made stuff.

The Tonkers are great. Smooth highs and mids and plenty of low end.
These speakers sound NOTHING like Fanes. I'm quite familiar with the 75 watt and 100 watt alnico Fanes. Fanes need to be hit hard and have a rude distinctive midrange.

Thanks Carl. I'm a fan of the GT12-75 low end. How do the Tonkers compare to those? Do they have that type of "wallop" in the low end?

Chris

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Thanks Carl. I'm a fan of the GT12-75 low end. How do the Tonkers compare to those? Do they have that type of "wallop" in the low end?

Chris

Doug has hit a pair with eveything but the kitchen sink from what I've read.....Plenty of lows. Big 59 oz magnet......You'll need a fork lift to move your cab!!
The clip Greasygeo put up was a good representation with the VHT.......

[Robotechnology]

Hello All! Similar to SgtThump's request, I will probably be looking to swap out some Celestion Vintage 30's out of two cabs that I have. The style of music to be played through these cabs would be mostly Progressive Metal so clearly defined bass, mid, and treble would be needed as well as the speakers being totally comfortable putting out both crystal cleans and liquid grinds. Most of the time a Mesa Boogie Triaxis would be providing the signal. Both cabs are vertical 2X12's with the bottom halves sealed from top halves. Bottoms have front side mounted slot ports (sealed rears). Top halves are 3/4 closed (3.5" rectangular opening the entire width of the cab at the top rear) and have slanted front baffles.

http://home.comcast.net/~robotechnology/pacific_cabs.jpg

These cabs with the Vintage 30's sound VERY dark and are not very clear sounding either. As I do like the Vintage 30's in my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe combo and in my Avatar 2X12, I think it's because the Vintage 30's are just not the right fit for the cabinets' design. Any speaker suggestion(s) from the new Eminence line?

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
Doug has hit a pair with eveything but the kitchen sink from what I've read.....Plenty of lows. Big 59 oz magnet......You'll need a fork lift to move your cab!!
The clip Greasygeo put up was a good representation with the VHT.......

Thanks Carl. If those clips George put up on HC are a good representation of the speakers tone, I like 'em. :) Of course, that VHT helps alot too. lol... I'm a sucker for the VHT tone.

Man, sounds like those speakers will make my cab weigh a SH*TLOAD more than it already weighs! Oh well, it's all in the name of rock and roll. :dude

Chris

[johnc]

I already have a Governor, in terms of tone, can someone describe how a Tonker would be different?

[Greazygeo]

UGGHHH.......I just ordered two more Tonkers.....my back is gonna be a hurtin'!!!


George

[SgtThump]

The dealer I plan to use just suggested the "Swamp Thangs" for the huge thick meaty low end I'm talking about. Now I'm cornfused, dangit! :)

Chris

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by Greazygeo
UGGHHH.......I just ordered two more Tonkers.....my back is gonna be a hurtin'!!!


George


Now yer talkin'!! 600 watt handling cab. Lucky I never have to move mine!!

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by SgtThump
The dealer I plan to use just suggested the "Swamp Thangs" for the huge thick meaty low end I'm talking about. Now I'm cornfused, dangit! :)

Chris

What head you using? Mesa MK-III? Decide, USA or British response

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
What head you using? Mesa MK-III? Decide, USA or British response

Using a Marshall DSL100 and/or a Mesa Mark III. Uh, this will sound dumb and rightfully so, but what's the difference between British and US response?

Remember, I've only used Celestions in the past, so that's all I know.

Chris

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Using a Marshall DSL100 and/or a Mesa Mark III. Uh, this will sound dumb and rightfully so, but what's the difference between British and US response?

Remember, I've only used Celestions in the past, so that's all I know.

Chris


No idea:D
I got the Germino coming, so I wanted British style speakers. Also run the Mesa Maverick thru the cab.

If I was replacing speakers in a Fender or Fender style amp, I'd probably check out the Patriot models

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Thanks Doug. Marc Ford uses alot of gain with Harper? I didn't realize that and I'd actually expect him to use medium gain tones. Then again, I don't really listen to Harper much... Cool stuff, though.

Anyway, thanks. Have you heard the Swamp Thang by any chance?

Chris





I recently gain the piss out of his Custom 80,
and he also has a germanium fuzz pedal
I built for him.
He's using this for all the Rock stuff they're playing now.

I haven't tried any of the Patriot series Eminence speakers,
Im so satisfied with the Red Coat's, I probably won't
get to the others anytime soon.
If you want some serious in your face blasting high gain,
the Tonker is it. As far as cleans go, I ran Tonker's on a twin reverb,
it turned it into the best sounding Fender I own,
(70% of my collection is Fender).
I have a Hiwatt 200 that I ran on a pair of Tonker's,
they took everything that amp could dish out.
With overdrive pedals and the Hiwatt 200,
I still couldn't get a bad tone from them.Doug

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
I agree with Doug. I replaced 4 G12h-30's in my 4X12 with Tonkers.
I wanted a high powered smooth speaker. None of the current Celestions fit the bill and quite frankly, I prefer to spend my money on US made stuff.

The Tonkers are great. Smooth highs and mids and plenty of low end.
These speakers sound NOTHING like Fanes. I'm quite familiar with the 75 watt and 100 watt alnico Fanes. Fanes need to be hit hard and have a rude distinctive midrange.






I hear you on the Fane's.
I went through my Fane period years ago,
they take way too much power to get going,
and don't have the smoothness in the top end
that I like when using OD.
Both the Eminence Govenor, and Tonker
are so efficient you miss nothing in the tone,
and even with only 10watts driving them
they sound amazing.
I really tried to find something wrong with them,
I gave up!
Doug

[Willie]

Hey, anyone know the specs on the Eminence Budda 12" speakers, they're ceramic and supposedly a cross between a V30 and a CL80, but the cleans are really good and it is a smooth speaker---what's the efficiency - power rating is like 70 watts...I've emailed eminence and talked to Scott at Budda, but still no real specs....

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I recently gain the piss out of his Custom 80,
and he also has a germanium fuzz pedal
I built for him.
He's using this for all the Rock stuff they're playing now.

I haven't tried any of the Patriot series Eminence speakers,
Im so satisfied with the Red Coat's, I probably won't
get to the others anytime soon.
If you want some serious in your face blasting high gain,
the Tonker is it. As far as cleans go, I ran Tonker's on a twin reverb,
it turned it into the best sounding Fender I own,
(70% of my collection is Fender).
I have a Hiwatt 200 that I ran on a pair of Tonker's,
they took everything that amp could dish out.
With overdrive pedals and the Hiwatt 200,
I still couldn't get a bad tone from them.Doug

Thanks Doug. I'm ready to order now, but I can't figure out if I should go with the Swamp Thangs or the Tonkers. This sucks! There's obviously no way for me to try them out, so I'm not sure what the heck to do...

The description of the Swamp Thangs having some serious chunky low end sounds great. That's exactly what I'm after. Some people say the Tonkers have that, while others don't really think that way. What the hell should I do? LOL!!!!!!

Chris

[carlygtr56]

Thump, maybe this description helps for the Swamp Things-

"Very powerful, thick and chunky tone. Very touch sensitive with good sustain. Awesome bottom end."
Now these speakers will knock your socks off! Super crunchy and thick. Lots of tone that is easy to manipulate. Suprisingly as you eq through the spectrum, it all sounds good. We couldnt get a bad sound out of these speakers. The lows and mids are really agressive and explosive, but not out of control or sloppy sounding. These are touch sensative and increase the allready incredible sustain in our cabs. Perfectly suited for rock, metal blues and some jazz for a very american sound with a big bottom end.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
Thump, maybe this description helps for the Swamp Things-

"Very powerful, thick and chunky tone. Very touch sensitive with good sustain. Awesome bottom end."
Now these speakers will knock your socks off! Super crunchy and thick. Lots of tone that is easy to manipulate. Suprisingly as you eq through the spectrum, it all sounds good. We couldnt get a bad sound out of these speakers. The lows and mids are really agressive and explosive, but not out of control or sloppy sounding. These are touch sensative and increase the allready incredible sustain in our cabs. Perfectly suited for rock, metal blues and some jazz for a very american sound with a big bottom end.

Oh man! That's what I want!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Carl!

Chris

[JamesPeters]

About the Fane comparison...

I have a friend locally with two different Hiwatt cabs, both loaded with different Fanes (some which are more efficient than the others). Both cabs sound just fine and low volumes (with a 10W amp on "3") and have a tone very similar to the Tonker overall. There are differences of course--but I am not imagining it and the owner of those Hiwatt cabs agrees with me. (We hang out a lot and play each other's gear.)

I never meant to say they were identical. But there are strong similarities and I've heard them back-to-back.

[Greazygeo]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
Now yer talkin'!! 600 watt handling cab. Lucky I never have to move mine!! OMG what was I thinking :eek: :eek: :eek: !!!!

I can see the crowd now....remember the old Maxell or Memorex commercial with the guy sitting in the chair in front of the speaker....I think I may see him soon. 600 watts...hmm I may have a cab for the old Orange amp!

George

[ericb]

Originally posted by JamesPeters
About the Fane comparison...

I have a friend locally with two different Hiwatt cabs, both loaded with different Fanes (some which are more efficient than the others). Both cabs sound just fine and low volumes (with a 10W amp on "3") and have a tone very similar to the Tonker overall. There are differences of course--but I am not imagining it and the owner of those Hiwatt cabs agrees with me. (We hang out a lot and play each other's gear.)

I never meant to say they were identical. But there are strong similarities and I've heard them back-to-back.

AS you know James, old Fanes and new fanes, and Fane Crescendo's and Fane Alnicos,etc almost bear NO sonic resemblences. You're not imagining a thing. Those guys are comparing different fanes.

ERIC

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by ericb
AS you know James, old Fanes and new fanes, and Fane Crescendo's and Fane Alnicos,etc almost bear NO sonic resemblences. You're not imagining a thing. Those guys are comparing different fanes.

ERIC


I bet they share a sonic fingerprint though, same way Celestions do.
I'm familiar with old Fanes, 75 watters, and the alnico, neither of which sounds like the Tonker.
His original description just said "Fanes", not any specific model.

[Buckeyedog]

Hey guys, in need of some help here. Ordered a "red, white & blues" eminence speaker for my peavey classic 30 as emi recommended on their site. However, it only comes in 8 ohm. I know that will be ok, but now I won't be able to run an extension cab since a parallel load will be 4 ohm and the classic 30 can run at 16 or 8. I've called Weber and had them hold the order. Should I go with a texas heat, swamp thing, or Governor at 16 ohm instead?? I play blues/classic/hard rock. I'm also wondering if the magnet size would also cause problems as far as fitting in the cab. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Kevin

[chainsawmillerm]

In most cases you can run a 4 ohm load off an 8 ohm tap.Unless you have a marshall or marshall copy opt.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
I bet they share a sonic fingerprint though, same way Celestions do.
I'm familiar with old Fanes, 75 watters, and the alnico, neither of which sounds like the Tonker.
His original description just said "Fanes", not any specific model.







Actually, I like the modern ones less.
My favorites used to be the old 40watt,
but that was for a very short time.
Cutting the alumi dust caps off
did make them sound a bit better,
but the 4 hole mounting made it a drag
to use them in many different cabs.
Doug

[big mike]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Hey guys, in need of some help here. Ordered a "red, white & blues" eminence speaker for my peavey classic 30 as emi recommended on their site. However, it only comes in 8 ohm. I know that will be ok, but now I won't be able to run an extension cab since a parallel load will be 4 ohm and the classic 30 can run at 16 or 8. I've called Weber and had them hold the order. Should I go with a texas heat, swamp thing, or Governor at 16 ohm instead?? I play blues/classic/hard rock. I'm also wondering if the magnet size would also cause problems as far as fitting in the cab. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Kevin

Swamp thing should have a huge low end push, Texas heat brighter but still full. Both American sounding speakers.

Governer will be more brit sounding.

My choice without hearing them yet, would be the swamp thing. Tomo sent me some live tapes of gigs with his Fender Pro with ST speakers and the tone is HUGE!!!

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Swamp thing should have a huge low end push, Texas heat brighter but still full. Both American sounding speakers.

Governer will be more brit sounding.

My choice without hearing them yet, would be the swamp thing. Tomo sent me some live tapes of gigs with his Fender Pro with ST speakers and the tone is HUGE!!!

How can I hear some clips of these Eminence speakers? George posted some of his Tonkers, but are there any other clips out there?

Chris

[big mike]

Originally posted by SgtThump
How can I hear some clips of these Eminence speakers? George posted some of his Tonkers, but are there any other clips out there?

Chris

Not that I know of yet. Tomo sent me tapes of his live gigs as a favour/gift as I am now a BIG fan of his stuff.

[SgtThump]

Thanks BMB. By the way everyone, I just ordered a quad of the Eminence Swamp Thangs for my Recto cab. I'll make clips and give a full review after I spend some time with them.

Thanks for all the help! I hope these are the right choice...

Chris

[Boogs]

Mike... any word on your Stonehenge?

i got my C-Rex on Monday, though i'm reluctant to comment too specifically until it's broken in. it sounds BIG, i'll say that much, but it hasn't warmed up enough yet.

[Buckeyedog]

Thanks BMB, I like the thought of the swamp thing and Chris, I can't wait to hear your opinion/clips of them. The main thing that concers me is that emi recommended 4 speakers for the classic 30 and they all had the 36 oz. mags. Just wondering about the bigger mags fitting in.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogs
Mike... any word on your Stonehenge?

i got my C-Rex on Monday, though i'm reluctant to comment too specifically until it's broken in. it sounds BIG, i'll say that much, but it hasn't warmed up enough yet.

Oddly, no. I may call Weber and see what the deal is.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Thanks BMB, I like the thought of the swamp thing and Chris, I can't wait to hear your opinion/clips of them. The main thing that concers me is that emi recommended 4 speakers for the classic 30 and they all had the 36 oz. mags. Just wondering about the bigger mags fitting in.

seems like the Classic 30, despite being a compact little guy, has plenty of room to spare with 40oz-ish magnets.

i would hate to give a bad recommendation, but it would have to be a fairly deep speaker that also had a big magnet - perhaps you could get exact dimensions to be absolutely sure?

BTW, which speakers did they recommend?

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by ericb
AS you know James, old Fanes and new fanes, and Fane Crescendo's and Fane Alnicos,etc almost bear NO sonic resemblences. You're not imagining a thing. Those guys are comparing different fanes.

ERIC

Well maybe I didn't know? :) You know what, I'm not up to speed on the different flavors of Fane. I really only know these two cabs. They are older ones, most likely from the early 70s. I'll see what I can find out about the Fanes. Shouldn't be too hard with one of the cabs, since the owner pulled the speakers out of the cab a while ago and put them into storage.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogs
Mike... any word on your Stonehenge?

i got my C-Rex on Monday, though i'm reluctant to comment too specifically until it's broken in. it sounds BIG, i'll say that much, but it hasn't warmed up enough yet.

Whooo. Glad I checked. Looked like I blew it and ordered the Governer and S-Thang. Changed it to Stonehenge and S-Thang. Should leave today. Should be a week or so, as I'm in Cali.

[big mike]

Couldn't catch it, so a Governer is coming. Will order a stonehenge next payday to try.

[drbob1]

So what would you recommend for a 59 Bassman, to get that almost Marshall, rock and roll sound? Say Jethro Tull as a bogey?

[Boogs]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Couldn't catch it, so a Governer is coming. Will order a stonehenge next payday to try.

bummer.

i mean it's supposed to be great, but since you were more piqued by the Stonehenge... all in the fullness of time though, eh?

[big mike]

Originally posted by drbob1
So what would you recommend for a 59 Bassman, to get that almost Marshall, rock and roll sound? Say Jethro Tull as a bogey?

You could try the Ramrod, which is the British 10's from emi. Unless you are usiong it with 12's, then I would say Private Jacks.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogs
bummer.

i mean it's supposed to be great, but since you were more piqued by the Stonehenge... all in the fullness of time though, eh?

Yeah, not worried. I'll try them both, and sell what I don't need to someone that wants a deal. At the great price Ted is selling them for, I may work my way around them all just to give them a shot. Interested in the Stonehenge as no one had reviewed it yet. Just got impatient and selected the wrong one. Ted called and offered to have me send it back, and he would exchange it. What a guy! But eh, it's fun to play with, and much cheaper than hookers. :D

[Boogs]

Originally posted by big mike blues
...and much cheaper than hookers. :D

hehe :D

and safer!

[Buckeyedog]

Emi recommended cannibus rex, RW&B, texas heat and screamin' eagle I think for the Classic 30. I'll probably give ted a buzz and see what he thinks. thanks.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Emi recommended cannibus rex, RW&B, texas heat and screamin' eagle I think for the Classic 30. I'll probably give ted a buzz and see what he thinks. thanks.

Weber has got the best $$ going too. And Ted is a cool guy.

[mxr2000]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
No idea:D
I got the Germino coming, so I wanted British style speakers. Also run the Mesa Maverick thru the cab.

If I was replacing speakers in a Fender or Fender style amp, I'd probably check out the Patriot models I would love to see a review of your germino amp and the "Tonkers". I own a germino 55 lovo.

[Buckeyedog]

Yeah, I can't believe the prices :eek: Anyway, he said that running the 8 ohm speaker with a 16 ohm extension cab would be ok for that amp. So, I'm going to give it a go!! Thanks for all the input.

Kevin

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by mxr2000
I would love to see a review of your germino amp and the "Tonkers". I own a germino 55 lovo.


I'm sure I'll be yakkin about it when I get it.:D

[SgtThump]

Call me stupid, but I didn't realize Ted Weber sold speakers other than his own designs? Too bad, because I really like him. He seems like a great guy. I have some of his Beam Blockers, his Bias Rite, and had a 100-watt MASS at one point. Great products.

I went with Dave from Avatar Speakers, which is another great guy. I could not believe his price! I mean, it's like half the price of everywhere else (not sure about Weber). WTF? How can some guys charge $89 and others charge half that? I don't get it... There's a HUGE difference in prices.

Chris

[Buckeyedog]

Yup Chris, Ted is now carrying the new Emi's. I've bought from Dave as well......great service and prices!! Go check out Ted's site and check out the Emi's. He has suggested retail listed, then when you add it to your cart, check the prices.......killer! From what I'm hearing about these new Emi speakers as well as the prices, I don't think I'll be buying any more celestions!!

[ericb]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
I bet they share a sonic fingerprint though, same way Celestions do.
I'm familiar with old Fanes, 75 watters, and the alnico, neither of which sounds like the Tonker.
His original description just said "Fanes", not any specific model.

hEY Carl, "sorta".. I've only used about 3-4 different ones, but my friend owns a huge PA company and turned me on to them a long time ago . The Company Turbosound used Fanes, and Dave Gilmour and Pink Floyd used them. Anyway, the ones I've owned or heard were quite a bit different just like many Eminence speakers.. i.e Eminence also has made PA speakers for years and years, and rebrands them for mfrs... I owned Mojo speakers a long time back that were Eminence and older Eminence labeled Eminence and they're nothing like my Cannabis Rex, or Red Fangs I own.... I hear ya but I've found each company makes quite a variety of speakers.. Even the Webers I've owned (about 9 different kinds) are way different.. ERIC

[mxr2000]

what would be a good Speaker from Eminence that could do the best celestion 25 watts greenbacks sound and vintage vibe thing with a lot more watts and without sounding like fart when is push hard.?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by mxr2000
what would be a good Speaker from Eminence that could do the best celestion 25 watts greenbacks sound and vintage vibe thing with a lot more watts and without sound
ing like fart when is push hard.?










The Private Jack, amazing speaker.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Yup Chris, Ted is now carrying the new Emi's. I've bought from Dave as well......great service and prices!! Go check out Ted's site and check out the Emi's. He has suggested retail listed, then when you add it to your cart, check the prices.......killer! From what I'm hearing about these new Emi speakers as well as the prices, I don't think I'll be buying any more celestions!!

Cool! Just checked it out! By the way, Dave at www.avatarspeakers.com is quite a bit cheaper than Weber VST. NO JOKE! I'm dead serious. You'll poop when you see the prices from Dave. I mean POOP! :)

Chris

[big mike]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
The Private Jack, amazing speaker.

+1 that's exactly how I use mine. A 50 watt greenback *influenced* speaker. With a bit higher sensitivity.

[Buckeyedog]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Cool! Just checked it out! By the way, Dave at www.avatarspeakers.com is quite a bit cheaper than Weber VST. NO JOKE! I'm dead serious. You'll poop when you see the prices from Dave. I mean POOP! :)

Chris

No way man.....can't be! I just e-mailed Dave to get his prices. I've got a Jenkins highway 61 cab on the way and I need two speakers. Thinking about the Governor or Swamp Thing. I bet those Swamp Things are going to sound killer with your Mesa!!

Kevin

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
No way man.....can't be! I just e-mailed Dave to get his prices. I've got a Jenkins highway 61 cab on the way and I need two speakers. Thinking about the Governor or Swamp Thing. I bet those Swamp Things are going to sound killer with your Mesa!!

Kevin

Dude, you'll freak when you see Dave's prices. I'm not even joking!!! Yeah, I can't wait to get those Swamp Thangs. They shipped out yesterday and I HOPE to get them on Friday, but it will most likely be next Tuesday. :( Oh well, life goes on. :)

Chris

[glasman]

Originally posted by SgtThump

I went with Dave from Avatar Speakers, which is another great guy. I could not believe his price! I mean, it's like half the price of everywhere else (not sure about Weber). WTF? How can some guys charge $89 and others charge half that? I don't get it... There's a HUGE difference in prices.

Chris

It will interesting to see how long Webers price on the speakers will remains that low. Eminence does have a say in the MAP on their speakers. It seems very low and I remember AES doing the same thing a few years ago and getting into trouble (they dont handle Eminence any longer).


Gary

[drbob1]

Originally posted by big mike blues
You could try the Ramrod, which is the British 10's from emi. Unless you are usiong it with 12's, then I would say Private Jacks.
Nope this is 410. I have a pair of Weber reconed P10Qs that sound absolutely killer with that amp, but haven't been able to score another pair. Anything that emulates the P10Q?

[big mike]

Originally posted by drbob1
Nope this is 410. I have a pair of Weber reconed P10Qs that sound absolutely killer with that amp, but haven't been able to score another pair. Anything that emulates the P10Q?

Probably some Weber of some sort.

[Boogie92801]

Bandmaster into small tight closed 2x12 cab.

Alnico vs ceramic?

looking for tight bass and bell tones from a strat.

[mountain blues]

Originally posted by drbob1
Nope this is 410. I have a pair of Weber reconed P10Qs that sound absolutely killer with that amp, but haven't been able to score another pair. Anything that emulates the P10Q?

Weber makes his own P10Q. They're great speakers.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogie92801
Bandmaster into small tight closed 2x12 cab.

Alnico vs ceramic?

looking for tight bass and bell tones from a strat.

Probably good either way. The PJ is in the vein of a Greenback with more chime and fuller lows. The Fang is killer too, (heard it, not played it) more high end.

[Boogie92801]

The alinco vs ceramic seems to stir some controversy. Care to comment?

[fakeox]

i kind of like my neodymium g 12 century for guitar & eminence 2515 neo for bass. Wonder if eminence or weber have any guitar neos coming soon..

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogie92801
The alinco vs ceramic seems to stir some controversy. Care to comment?

Couldn't really. Never owned Alnico SPeakers except for the stock Jensens in my 59 bassman RI. They both sound good but different. I have opinions on magnets for pickups, but for speakers <shrug> if it sounds good, I don't care what magnet it has.

[MichaelRosas]

I hear that the Private Jack and the Governor are very similar sounding speakers with most of the differences being in how they handle the low end. Would it be safe to say, then, that the Governor is also a greenback "inspired" sound?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Boogie92801
The alinco vs ceramic seems to stir some controversy. Car
e to comment?








Alnico's are less efficient.
Unless its a tweed style amp,
I don't use them.

[Boogie92801]

So Doug,

I am thinking the PJ's for the cab I had made for my Bandmaster Reverb. :cool:

I MUST get those utahs out of there ASAP! Mush - and no definition!
:mad:

I just can't belive these things are so affordable. :D

The Webers we going to cost 4 times as much!!!!:(

I am glad I was cheap and waited.

[big mike]

Originally posted by MichaelRosas
I hear that the Private Jack and the Governor are very similar sounding speakers with most of the differences being in how they handle the low end. Would it be safe to say, then, that the Governor is also a greenback "inspired" sound?

Probably. Most think the V30 and Green are similiar. The Gov is more inspired - note I say inspired I feel they have their own sound be it a little derived from the classic cele designs- inspired by the v30 with less midhump.

Doug could probably elaborate better.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Probably. Most think the V30 and Green are similiar. The Gov is more inspired - note I say inspired I feel they have their own sound be it a little derived from the classic cele designs- inspired by the v30 with less midhump.

Doug could probably elaborate better.








In my years, I've found V30's and greenbacks
to be two totally different sounding speakers.

That said, The Govenor has a sound of its own.
Honestly, the three Eminence models I'm using
sound nothing like Celestions.
In the last few days,
I have compared the PrivateJack, and Govenor
to 4 vintage loaded cabs.
One has Blackback 25's, two have greenbacks,
the other V30's. IMO, the Govenor's alone
sounded much more "open", and guitar
friendly. The PrivateJack loaded cab
I like better than the other vintage loaded cabs.
Im using the PrivateJacks for 4 12" cabs,
and the Govenor for 2 12" open/back cabs.
The Govenor to my ears sounds better
as a 2 12" loaded configuration.
Doug

[jonc]

doug

thanks for the tip about using tonkers with my Ampeg V4. what a great sound. i've been running that head with Altec 417's, but the low end on the Altecs sound loose and "fizzy," in comparision to the Tonkers. i also bought a pair of harry joyce speakers and those sound great with the Ampeg as well. now it's time to sell of the EVM 12s that were my other "go-to" cab, though the Altecs will stay.

thanks again!

jonc

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by jonc
doug

thanks for the tip about using tonkers with my Ampeg V4. what a great sound. i've been running that head with Altec 417's, but the low end on the Altecs sound loose and "fizzy," in comparision to the Tonkers. i also bought a pair of harry joyce speakers and those sound great with the Ampeg as well. now it's time to sell of the EVM 12s that were my other "go-to" cab, though the Altecs will stay.

thanks again!

jonc





There's an old trick to fix the Altec fizz,
cut the aluminum dust caps off.
Many pro's have been doing this for years.
Those caps extend the treble way too far,
and if you use any overdrive, the tone
turns into wasps fighting in a paper bag!

[jonc]

doug

the wasps description is perfect. funny thing, i never really noticed, or maybe it never really "bothered" me until i hooked up the Tonkers and the HJ's. thanks again for yet another tip.

jonc

[dbeeman]

cut the aluminum dust caps off

and replace it with a paper one?

[Robotechnology]

Which Eminence model(s) do you think would sound good with a ported cabinet design? My Vintage 30's sound a bit dark and muddy for this application.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by dbeeman
and replace it with a paper one?








We just left them off, but a paper cap is probably a good idea.
Same goes for JBL's.
Doug

[big mike]

Well, have bout a half hour on my new Swamp thang with my Z28

All I can say, Swamp thang, goooooooood.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Well, have bout a half hour on my new Swamp thang with my Z28

All I can say, Swamp thang, goooooooood.

Great! I'm hoping for a miracle and I get all four Swamp Thangs I ordered delivered today, but it will most likely be Tuesday. Urgh! It's a long weekend it and would be nice to spend time with the new speakers, but oh well... :(

Anyway, I'll report back when I get mine up and running. Hey BMB, you play blues right? Do you ever venture into high gain rock/metal territory or not really? That's what I'll be using the Swamp Thangs for and I'm curious how they work for that.

Chris

[Buckeyedog]

Hey Chris, just a tidbit.......Dave's prices are crazy too, but when you order from Ted, no shipping gets added on so that makes it real close. At least when I ordered mine, there was no shipping added on. Regardless, these prices are nuts!! Oh, and I just got a brand new Jenkins 2x12 for $275 shipped and I'm thinking about loading 2 Governors in there, so for under $4 bills, I get a killer cab!!

Kevin

[big mike]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Great! I'm hoping for a miracle and I get all four Swamp Thangs I ordered delivered today, but it will most likely be Tuesday. Urgh! It's a long weekend it and would be nice to spend time with the new speakers, but oh well... :(

Anyway, I'll report back when I get mine up and running. Hey BMB, you play blues right? Do you ever venture into high gain rock/metal territory or not really? That's what I'll be using the Swamp Thangs for and I'm curious how they work for that.

Chris

You know myh handle has nothing to do with the music I play? Long band story.

Bluesy Rock - to heavier rock sounded good. cranked the Z and also fed it with a AC booster maxed out. Sounded very good. Clean, just killer. And this is a 1x12 cab! Huge low end, just awesome. Can't wait till it breaks in.

Haven't tried the Governer yet.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Hey Chris, just a tidbit.......Dave's prices are crazy too, but when you order from Ted, no shipping gets added on so that makes it real close. At least when I ordered mine, there was no shipping added on. Regardless, these prices are nuts!! Oh, and I just got a brand new Jenkins 2x12 for $275 shipped and I'm thinking about loading 2 Governors in there, so for under $4 bills, I get a killer cab!!

Kevin

Ahhhhhh! I didn't realize Ted didn't charge shipping. Yeah, that probably brings them real close in price.

There's an awful lot of "hype" in this thread about these new Eminence speakers and I hope they live up to it! I'm praying they live up to it... :) By the way, I'm not "doubting" anyone or anything. I'm just saying that I hope I like them as much as everyone else!

Chris

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by big mike blues
You know myh handle has nothing to do with the music I play? Long band story.

Bluesy Rock - to heavier rock sounded good. cranked the Z and also fed it with a AC booster maxed out. Sounded very good. Clean, just killer. And this is a 1x12 cab! Huge low end, just awesome. Can't wait till it breaks in.

Haven't tried the Governer yet.

Rock on! Thanks BMB. :dude

Chris

[gearo999]

I just ordered two Governor's and two Private Jack's at Music123 for $53 each, free shipping. They matched weberst advertised price and then beat it.

[dbeeman]

We just left them off, but a paper cap is probably a good idea.

I never tried it on guitar spk, but I used to damp hi fi drivers using things like spray on rubber cement or an art store fixative "Tuffilm" - go light so as not to add much mass, but this would likely tame a duralum dome without cutting it off.

[Buckeyedog]

Originally posted by gearo999
I just ordered two Governor's and two Private Jack's at Music123 for $53 each, free shipping. They matched weberst advertised price and then beat it.

Gearo, that's cool that you saved a few bucks. My opinion is that it's worth it to support Dave at Avatar and Ted. These guys give advice and suggestions and really know their stuff and to me, I'd rather give them my support. I'm not bashing you at all, becuase I'm always looking around to save a buck too!! Oh, got my Red, White & Blues today and hopefully I'll get it in my Classic 30 tonight......yeah!!

[big mike]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Gearo, that's cool that you saved a few bucks. My opinion is that it's worth it to support Dave at Avatar and Ted. These guys give advice and suggestions and really know their stuff and to me, I'd rather give them my support. I'm not bashing you at all, becuase I'm always looking around to save a buck too!! Oh, got my Red, White & Blues today and hopefully I'll get it in my Classic 30 tonight......yeah!!

My thoughts exactly. Dave and Ted are great with the advice and service, as well as post occasionally. Much rather support them.

[gearo999]

Originally posted by big mike blues
My thoughts exactly. Dave and Ted are great with the advice and service, as well as post occasionally. Much rather support them.

Hey, I don't know these guys, and I was just going for the best deal. But, I didn't give them chance to beat the best price I found. I will give them a chance next time;)

[Joe F]

ok, I have a Tonker on the way. I am using Weber Michigans now and give them a workout with Majors and VHT's set for some serious bass delivery.

If I do not like the speaker, I hold all of you personally responsible for getting me excited about this new Eminence line.

Not as much talk about the "American" models, why is that?

[Boogie92801]

I find this thread very compelling, I must know more!!!! :dude

Hey, how come most people here seem to be trying the British flavor rather that the yanks?

Can anyone describe what the British type cone is or what the difference is supposed to mean to us, unknowledgeable guitar players

On their web Site EMI suggest the patriot speakers for fender amps.

I have noticed – IMO - that green backs or a V-30’s doesn’t seem to sound as good in a Fender as the standard Jensen’s or JBL’s they came with (like wise in a Marshal Jensen’s just don’t cut it).

Therefore, are the red coats "inappropriate" for a "fender" type amp?

I'm thinking Wind Cries Mary or Little Wing, How Many More times or Black Dog, British or American, Marshal or fender, Patriot or Red Coat, Distortion or clean… Oh the choices….:Spank

I can’t take it! Why did they have to release SEVETEEN DIFFERENT ONES ALL AT ONCE!!!!!!
:jo

[Boogie92801]

Originally posted by frascati
.
Not as much talk about the "American" models, why is that?

That was my main point: I got carried away:NUTS

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Boogie92801
I find this thread very compelling, I must know more!!!! :dude

Hey, how come most people here seem to be trying the British flavor rather that the yanks?

Can anyone describe what the British type cone is or what the difference is supposed to mean to us, unknowledgeable guitar players

On their web Site EMI suggest the patriot speakers for fender amps.

I have noticed – IMO - that green backs or a V-30’s doesn’t seem to sound as good in a Fender as the standard Jensen’s or JBL’s they came with (like wise in a Marshal Jensen’s just don’t cut it).

Therefore, are the red coats "inappropriate" for a "fender" type amp?

I'm thinking Wind Cries Mary or Little Wing, How Many More times or Black Dog, British or American, Marshal or fender, Patriot or Red Coat, Distortion or clean… Oh the choices….:Spank

I can’t take it! Why did they have to release SEVETEEN DIFFERENT ONES ALL AT ONCE!!!!!!
:jo












Im gonna have to disagree here,
I used V30's in Fenders for many
years and really like British style
speakers in them.
The reason is bass response,
and midrange.
American style like Jensens
are cool IMO for compressed
tweed like tones, but for rock
always to mud out too much for
my tastes.
Altec and JBL are great for HiFi
like clean tones (which I do like
for specific things),
but for me these speakers
don't cover enough ground,
or should I say tones.
British style speakers allow
me to play more types of music
through one amp.
Doug

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Boogie92801


Hey, how come most people here seem to be trying the British flavor rather that the yanks?


i'll talk about a Patriot! :D

i put in a Cannabis Rex into my little Classic 30 on Monday and i finally felt like it had turned the corner as far as breaking in goes last night (i put in a good 15-18 hours on it those days). i had a problem with brightness using my otherwise really nice Reverend Alltone in it, and the Cannabis Rex was just the ticket - nice warm, clear, open cleans. i have to say, the C-Rex sounded REALLY weird at first, and was a bitch to get going, but i can't believe how good it's made my little beastie sound. better low end than the Alltone as well - not to slam the Alltone, it was super-nice, just too bright in the wrong places.

i'm not sure if i'll try another Patriot in my amp, and i'm even less likely to try a Redcoat. it's sounding too good for the clean styles i play to take the chassis/tubeguard/tubes/speaker out again just for the sake of experimentation.

[presence]

which one is G12H influenced??

[Buckeyedog]

Chris, I was wrong about Ted's prices. My invoice shows $50, but my credit card was charged $13 more, so they do add shipping. My bad. The final price does say (without shipping), but I figured they would actually show the shipping charge on the final invoice. Oh well, still not bad.

Kevin

High Classs - Not sure which is G12h based.....probably the tonker would be the closest IMO.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Im only making this reply because
I noticed the posts were at "666".
Scary huh?

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Im only making this reply because
I noticed the posts were at "666".
Scary huh?

leave it to folks that work with dangerous voltages to be superstitious! :p

[big mike]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Im only making this reply because
I noticed the posts were at "666".
Scary huh?

Not good.

By the way. VERY pleased with my Governor. Kinda glad I blew it and didn't get the stonehenge. This thing is SICK. Sounds awesome in my Boogie 1x12. I like this more than the Private Jack. Bigger, smoother RAWKS!!!!

[Buckeyedog]

Cool Big Mike, I'm gettin' two Governor's for my new 2x12. Can't wait to hear them.

[SgtThump]

Hey guys, got my four Swamp Thangs yesterday. I was gone all day, so they were delivered to my neighbors. Now I'll be gone all damn day today, so I don't get to hear them until tomorrow! URGH! :)

I will report back, though. Absolutely.

Chris

[Buckeyedog]

That's always the bummer man!! Can't wait to hear your report. If it's good, I'm wondering......one Swamp Thing and one Governor??? Hmmmmmmm.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
That's always the bummer man!! Can't wait to hear your report. If it's good, I'm wondering......one Swamp Thing and one Governor??? Hmmmmmmm.

Yeah, I can't wait to try four of 'em in my Recto cab... I just pulled one out of the box to look at it and I'm surprised it doesn't save 8 or 16ohms on it anywhere!?!?!?? Strange. I'll measure them before I put them in, just to make sure.

Chris

[sgguitarzz]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Not good.

By the way. VERY pleased with my Governor. Kinda glad I blew it and didn't get the stonehenge. This thing is SICK. Sounds awesome in my Boogie 1x12. I like this more than the Private Jack. Bigger, smoother RAWKS!!!!


I know what you mean Mike. The Governor in my Sunn sounds so great and I am getting many compliments on the sound. I am really glad I caught this thread and took a chance on this speaker.

Dennis

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by sgguitarzz
I know what you mean Mike. The Governor in my Sunn sounds so great and I am getting many compliments on the sound. I am really glad I caught this thread and took a chance on this speaker.

Dennis








The Govenor, Private Jack, and Tonker
are my favorite speakers.

[Boogs]

a question for all of you amp Jedis...

i realise that the Tonker and other speakers that are similarly rated wattage-wise are designed to run at quieter volumes as well as high ones, but would an amp that only put out 15, 20, or 30 watts be sufficient to break one of these monsters in? would it just take longer?

many thanks,
David

[SgtThump]

Just installed the "Swamp Thangs" in my Recto 4x12" and fired her up. I hear that typical new speaker "buzz" or whatever that I hate. I know that will disappear after a few hours of good loud playing, so I'm not worried about it.

So far, I'd have to say that I definitely like them better than the previous speakers I had in this cab (two Vintage 30's and two G12-65's). I'm still checking them out, though, so I can't really give them a full review yet. I actually like to wait until I get some good quality time with gear before I review it, ya know?

I'm going to fire them up again now and play some more. :)

One thing I will say is that I have noticed that they're sensitive. For some reason, it feels like I have the distortion turned up just a hair more with these speakers installed. It's not the speaker distorting or anything, I'm just saying that they're super sensitive. That's the description from Eminence as well, so I guess they were spot on with that!

"Very powerful, thick and chunky tone. Very touch sensitive with good sustain. Awesome bottom end."

I'll report back! :D

Chris

[Buckeyedog]

Cool Chris, yeah I can't stand that "new speaker" buzz either!! Keep crankin' em and let us know.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Just installed the "Swamp Thangs" in my Recto 4x12" and fired her up. I hear that typical new speaker "buzz" or whatever that I hate. I know that will disappear after a few hours of good loud playing, so I'm not worried about it.

So far, I'd have to say that I definitely like them better than the previous speakers I had in this cab (two Vintage 30's and two G12-65's). I'm still checking them out, though, so I can't really give them a full review yet. I actually like to wait until I get some good quality time with gear before I review it, ya know?

I'm going to fire them up again now and play some more. :)

One thing I will say is that I have noticed that they're sensitive. For some reason, it feels like I have the distortion turned up just a hair more with these speakers installed. It's not the speaker distorting or anything, I'm just saying that they're super sensitive. That's the description from Eminence as well, so I guess they were spot on with that!

"Very powerful, thick and chunky tone. Very touch sensitive with good sustain. Awesome bottom end."

I'll report back! :D

Chris











So far eveything I've used from Eminence
is ultra-sensitive, and efficient.
You hear everything, and I mean everything!
I recomend you still try the Govenors,
they're badass!

[fullerplast]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Cool Chris, yeah I can't stand that "new speaker" buzz either!! Keep crankin' em and let us know.

Just installed the "Swamp Thangs" in my Recto 4x12" and fired her up. I hear that typical new speaker "buzz" or whatever that I hate. I know that will disappear after a few hours of good loud playing, so I'm not worried about it.

New speaker buzz?? WTF is that? :confused: Doesn't sound right to me. A speaker's tone and responsiveness will change somewhat as it breaks in, but you should not be starting out with a buzz in your speakers!!

They should sound a little tighter and brighter than they will after some good hours of playing. Buzzing is not part of the new speaker sound....AFAIK. I *would* worry about it!

[bruthagoose]

vive the longest thread in internet history!!

thanks guys for the all the testing, re-testing, and reviews.
needing a 2x12 cab i just called dave at avatar and got the specially priced cab with vin30/g12h30 combo (yes, dave is COOL...called me on memorial day!) i wanted to try the govenor's as it has gotten such good luv on this thread so i ordered a set at ridiculously cheap. (loaded cab as stated above + 2 additional gov's around $400!!!!)

my question is: not really knowing the gov's... are they going to be substantially different from the vin30/g12h30 kind of sound?? if they aren't i could probably still change them to private jacks...i am looking for that easily overdriven, sound with a lot of warmth.

~bruthaG :dude

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by fullerplast
New speaker buzz?? WTF is that? :confused: Doesn't sound right to me. A speaker's tone and responsiveness will change somewhat as it breaks in, but you should not be starting out with a buzz in your speakers!!

They should sound a little tighter and brighter than they will after some good hours of playing. Buzzing is not part of the new speaker sound....AFAIK. I *would* worry about it!

Every single NEW speaker I've owned in my life has the "new speaker buzz" I'm talking about. It's VERY common. As speakers "break in", this "buzz" goes away. It's occured with every Celestion I've bought new and now the Eminence speakers. It's basically "harsh" highs and I call that "buzz".

Chris

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Every single NEW speaker I've owned in my life has the "new speaker buzz" I'm talking about. It's VERY common. As speakers "break in", this "buzz" goes away. It's occured with every Celestion I've bought new and now the Eminence speakers. It's basically "harsh" highs and I call that "buzz".

Chris






Its caused by a stiff cone, once it softens a bit,
things get better. Pump them full of amp juice!

[fullerplast]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Every single NEW speaker I've owned in my life has the "new speaker buzz" I'm talking about. It's VERY common. As speakers "break in", this "buzz" goes away. It's occured with every Celestion I've bought new and now the Eminence speakers. It's basically "harsh" highs and I call that "buzz".

Chris

OK, never heard anybody call it a buzz before....that usually indicates an unwanted noise due to vibration, which would generally be a speaker or cabinet flaw.

Harsh, bright...yes that is most common with new speakers and it will mellow out with use. You can accelerate it with a variac if you want.

[grendel4guitars]

Which speakers would be suited for a more classic rock sound? What do you like for a modern sound?

Grendel

[fullerplast]

Originally posted by grendel4guitars
Which speakers would be suited for a more classic rock sound? What do you like for a modern sound?

Grendel

You have about 46 pages of info and opinions to peruse....:D

after which you will probably conclude you need to listen for yourself.

Short answer is try the Tonker and Gov'nr first.:dude

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by grendel4guitars
Which speakers would be suited for a more classic rock sound? What do you like for a modern sound?

Grendel





Private Jack, Govenor, Tonker.
No particular order, just try them all.
Doug

[Buckeyedog]

That's why I put the " " around "buzz" because it's not really a buzz, but the harsh highs as Chris mentioned.

[Buckeyedog]

Doug, just a curious question. Why do you prefer the Jack's in a 4x12 and the Governor's in a 2x12?

Thanks,
Kevin

[el34power]

I am even more confused now.... I have a JCM800 and a 4x12 cab in witch i replaced 2 of the 4 G12M70's with greenback RI. This gives me a real close result of what i am after. The greeny "honk" and a better bass and high end response. I am planning to change the two other 70's with G12H30's. I also have a Peavey prowler witch is powered by 2 6L6's and loaded with it's original Blue Marvel. I use a Mesa 1x12 3/4 open wide cab as an extension cab that has a Black shadow custom 90. Soooooooo here is the question. Since the 6L6's are lacking in the "honk" range, what would be a good 50 Watt Greenback to compensate. I know the Private Jack seems the be the most "greenback" flavored speaker. Am I right here.....:confused:

[Timster]

I swear this thread seems to be a little fishy to me. a lot of new folks seem to be bumping this one up lately...in addition to Rocca.

:dude

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Timster
I swear this thread seems to be a little fishy to me. a lot of new folks seem to be bumping this one up lately...in addition to Rocca.

:dude

New to this board, yes. However, I've been around online for 8 years or so... Nothing to be "fishy" about that I can tell.

Chris

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Timster
I swear this thread seems to be a little fishy to me. a lot of new folks seem to be bumping this one up lately...in addition to Rocca.

:dude







What exactly are you trying to say, all the new posts are from me?
You got it wrong ,son. I own Roccaforte Amps, not Eminence.

[Greazygeo]

Having the day off yesterday I installed my two new Tonkers. I put them in my old basketweave marshall cab along with my other Tonkers. Now begins the long break-in period, yay! Anyway, so far I have noticed that with using 4 of them, they have more of that CL80 tone I am used to, still with less bass though. Time will tell as these break-in though....still way to early to tell......

I am dreading having to pick up the cab to move it!!!

George

[Buckeyedog]

Originally posted by Timster
I swear this thread seems to be a little fishy to me. a lot of new folks seem to be bumping this one up lately...in addition to Rocca.

:dude

I don't see "fishy" at all. To me, it looks like there is finally some competition for Celestion and folks are curious and want to try them out. Plus, what does Doug have to gain by promoting Emi speakers??? But, I guess you can have your opinion.

Doug, don't know if you caught my last thread since it was at the bottom, but I'm wanting to know why you prefer the Jack's in the 4x12's and the Governor's in the 2x12's?? Thanks.

[Timster]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
What exactly are you trying to say, all the new posts are from me?
You got it wrong ,son. I own Roccaforte Amps, not Eminence.

I wasn't implying anything about you doing it, although now that I think about it..

:)

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by SgtThump
New to this board, yes. However, I've been around online for 8 years or so... Nothing to be "fishy" about that I can tell.

Chris


Yeppurs. :)

Anyway, why shouldn't this be one of the most popular threads on this board, in all honesty. Having a whack of new speakers on the market which promise to sound even more appealing than their Legend series (which was quite well received as it was) means Eminence is one of very few mfg's set to compete with Celestion. Imagine this in terms of tubes, if there were only one company making tubes and suddenly another company came out with new 6550, EL34, 6L6, 6V6, EL84, 12AX7, and so on. Even now if that happened, people would get very excited and be talking about it all the time. Same with pickups.

This is a very exciting happening in general, whether the speakers cost any less than Celestions or not, whether they're made in the USA or not.

[Timster]

Originally posted by JamesPeters
Yeppurs. :)

Anyway, why shouldn't this be one of the most popular threads on this board, in all honesty. Having a whack of new speakers on the market which promise to sound even more appealing than their Legend series (which was quite well received as it was) means Eminence is one of very few mfg's set to compete with Celestion. Imagine this in terms of tubes, if there were only one company making tubes and suddenly another company came out with new 6550, EL34, 6L6, 6V6, EL84, 12AX7, and so on. Even now if that happened, people would get very excited and be talking about it all the time. Same with pickups.

This is a very exciting happening in general, whether the speakers cost any less than Celestions or not, whether they're made in the USA or not.

I agree.

The thread was starting to remind me of Miles ' posts (groove Tubes guy), the ones in which he constantly bumped up every now and then to promote GT and other various venders.

Anyways, looking back at all the previous posts, I did notice a trend of newbies bumping this thread...which made me wonder.

Tim

[Boogs]

i'm a newbie, and yes, i bumped this thread several times. i'll be the one moping around with downcast eyes.... :(


;)


seriously, i tried to post about my new Eminence C-Rex in a separate thread, and it wasn't responded to by other Rex users (it got some views though). it makes sense, really - if all of us put a thread up about each model we tried, it would quickly get out of hand.

[el34power]

Originally posted by el34power
I am even more confused now.... I have a JCM800 and a 4x12 cab in witch i replaced 2 of the 4 G12M70's with greenback RI. This gives me a real close result of what i am after. The greeny "honk" and a better bass and high end response. I am planning to change the two other 70's with G12H30's. I also have a Peavey prowler witch is powered by 2 6L6's and loaded with it's original Blue Marvel. I use a Mesa 1x12 3/4 open wide cab as an extension cab that has a Black shadow custom 90. Soooooooo here is the question. Since the 6L6's are lacking in the "honk" range, what would be a good 50 Watt Greenback to compensate. I know the Private Jack seems the be the most "greenback" flavored speaker. Am I right here.....:confused:

Anyone?

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Timster
I agree.

The thread was starting to remind me of Miles ' posts (groove Tubes guy), the ones in which he constantly bumped up every now and then to promote GT and other various venders.

Anyways, looking back at all the previous posts, I did notice a trend of newbies bumping this thread...which made me wonder.

Tim

I know EXACTLY what you mean about Myles and that drives me nuts too. Always spamming every message board he hits. If I see another thread about a "free 5,000,000 page tube primer", I'm going to puke. But I think this is different.

Chris

[el34power]

Hey Chris. I really enjoyed your "amp clips". They helped me make up my mind in choosing Greenbacks and matching them with G12H30's. I am halfway there.....
Thanks for the good work.

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by el34power
Anyone?


The Private Jack is the one modelled to sound similar to a greenback, but I wouldn't expect it would make up for your using 6L6 tubes instead of EL34s though. That's hard to say--it's kind of an "apples and oranges" comparison.

I haven't tried the Private Jack either so I can't really say anything about it.

[el34power]

I thought someone would say that:D I posted a question in the amp section. How do you feel about 6L6 conversion to EL84's. How do the EL84's sound compared to 34's?

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by el34power
Hey Chris. I really enjoyed your "amp clips". They helped me make up my mind in choosing Greenbacks and matching them with G12H30's. I am halfway there.....
Thanks for the good work.

Cool! No problem!!! Glad I could help. :)

Chris

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
I don't see "fishy" at all. To me, it looks like there is finally some competition for Celestion and folks are curious and want to try them out. Plus, what does Doug have to gain by promoting Emi speakers??? But, I guess you can have your opinion.

Doug, don't know if you caught my last thread since it was at the bottom, but I'm wanting to know why you prefer the Jack's in the 4x12's and the Governor's in the 2x12's?? Thanks.






Im finding that the Private Jack
in a 4 12" comes closest
to being balanced all the way
around. The Govenor is great
in the 4 12" too, but I like
the top end of the Private
Jack better in the 4 12".
For the 2 12", the Govenor
has better power handling
for my products, I couldn't
use two PJ's.
The tones of these two
speakers are very similar,
but the BJ breaks up
more, why I think
its better served in the 4 12".Doug

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Timster
I agree.

The thread was starting to remind me of Miles ' posts (groove Tubes guy), the ones in which he constantly bumped up every now and then to promote GT and other various venders.

Anyways, looking back at all the previous posts, I did notice a trend of newbies bumping this thread...which made me wonder.

Tim





Miles works for GT,
nobody posting in this thread works for Eminence.
Apples-Oranges

[Timster]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Miles works for GT,
nobody posting in this thread works for Eminence.
Apples-Oranges

except, perhaps the newbie(s)..


It would be easy enough to verfy by looking at the various IP addresses...which I am sure a moderator could do.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Timster
except, perhaps the newbie(s)..


It would be easy enough to verfy by looking at the various IP addresses...which I am sure a moderator could do.

You can't be serious... Are you always this paranoid? Do you wear aluminum foil on your head so the aliens can't read your mind too?

Chris

[Timster]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Do you wear aluminum foil on your head so the aliens can't read your mind too?

Chris

yes I do, as a matter of fact.


anyways, take a look back in this thread and see for yourself.

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by el34power
How do you feel about 6L6 conversion to EL84's.

It's like asking what I think of a given speaker--it's a little too context-specific to answer on a broad scale. There are too many considerations. FWIW I think most amps with 6L6 tubes sound fine as long as you pick the right 6L6 tubes for your tastes and bias the amp well. That sounds a little dismissive but it's my honest opinion. I generally like amps for what they are and don't really imagine them with different tube types in them. I'll sometimes change out EL34s for 6550s or something (same impedance requirements) if the plate/screen voltage is good for the specific 6550s. Sometimes I'll try 6L6s in an amp which normally uses EL34s (if the amp's voltages are safe, once again). As for going from 6L6 to EL84--it's never crossed my mind. I probably wouldn't have bought the amp to begin with, knowing it had 6L6 tubes, if I were trying to get an "EL84 vibe" from it.

So I've never actually tried any specific adaptors for that kind of thing.


Originally posted by el34power

How do the EL84's sound compared to 34's?

You'll probably find info like that all over this forum, to be honest. :) They have a similar mid character, that's as much as I can really say. People will say they're like mini EL34s but I might disagree, and it depends on the specific type too.

[aeolian]

EMI unleashed an overwhelming amount of product in one fell swoop. Most peoples experiences with them have been good, but I think the interest in this thread is that some folks like Doug and Tomo have been able to try more than a couple and give their opinions. Given all the choices, this really helps. Trying different speakers can get expensive in a hurry. Even though I'm toying with the idea of getting into the cabinet business, there's no way I could buy several of each, try them all out in different gigs and feel comfortable expressing an opinion on all the models. So here we have some folks trying out the alnicos, and other folks trying out the greenback variations, while still others are trying out the higher powered end of the line. If you sift though all of it, you can at least get a head start.

I love this thread. :dude

[Boogie92801]

Originally posted by SgtThump
You can't be serious... Are you always this paranoid? Do you wear aluminum foil on your head so the aliens can't read your mind too?

Chris

Hold on... the sun reflected off of my foil and I can't see the screen... oh that's better! :jo

In defence of the newbies:
Just because someone is new to this forum doesn't mean they are a novice on guitar (or that their opinion is worth squat).

AND

Doug’s opinion is often valid (notice I didn’t say always), especially when it comes to amplification for the electric guitar and if anybody says there might be some affordable speakers that have some cool tone qualities out there then we should all be interested... and share our opinions with ou fellow musicians.:AOK

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Timster
yes I do, as a matter of fact.


anyways, take a look back in this thread and see for yourself.

;) I read it before, but man, it was so long that it drove me nuts! I can't go through that again.

Chris

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Boogie92801
Hold on... the sun reflected off of my foil and I can't see the screen... oh that's better! :jo

:D

Chris

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Timster
except, perhaps the newbie(s)..


It would be easy enough to verfy by looking at the various IP addresses...which I am sure a moderator could do.








Maybe you've been spending too much
time on other forums, this one is moderated,
and they don't allow any sock puppets here,
if that's what you're insinuating?

Im not sure why you're coming off like this,
many of us here are here to spread the word
on products we happen to know are good,
and can certainly help others who are on
a budget make decisions that can save them
time and money.

If you got something to say, or should I say
"whats really on your mind", say it.
If not, ignore this thread, its obviously
not for you, and stop adding to the "bumping".

[SgtThump]

I'm not 100% sold on these Swamp Thangs yet. I mean, they sound pretty good, but I'm just not sure. When I get a new piece of gear, I have to try it out at home in the room, while recording and with the band a few times before I really get a good feel for the gear.

The Swamp Thangs DO sound better than the previous speakers in my Recto cab (Vintage 30's and G12-65's), but it's almost as if they're a little squishy. Hmmmmm, I'm not sure. They only have around 2-3 hours of loud volume on them, so they're not broken in yet at all.

I will post a full review with clips and everything, though, once I spend some time with 'em.

EDIT - I also need to point out that what sounds great to me today, can sound bad to me tomorrow and vice versa. That happens ALOT with me. Not sure why, but I definitely have good and bad tone days. I try to leave these out of any review, though. lol...

Chris

[Buckeyedog]

Chris, I'm wondering if we should just stick with the Redcoats instead. My Red, White & Blues is ok in my classic 30, but needs to be broken in some more too. I've got some Governor's coming soon and I'll be pumping the Budda SD 80 through them so I'll see. I also can run the classic through them too and get a comparison. I think for the hard rock we like, the british one's might just be the ticket.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Chris, I'm wondering if we should just stick with the Redcoats instead. My Red, White & Blues is ok in my classic 30, but needs to be broken in some more too. I've got some Governor's coming soon and I'll be pumping the Budda SD 80 through them so I'll see. I also can run the classic through them too and get a comparison. I think for the hard rock we like, the british one's might just be the ticket.

You might be right. I'm not giving up on these yet at all. I just really need some quality time with 'em. I wish someone could explain to me the differences between "American" sounding speakers and "British" sounding speakers. lol...

Chris

[Timster]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Maybe you've been spending too much
time on other forums, this one is moderated,
and they don't allow any sock puppets here,
if that's what you're insinuating?

Im not sure why you're coming off like this,
many of us here are here to spread the word
on products we happen to know are good,
and can certainly help others who are on
a budget make decisions that can save them
time and money.

If you got something to say, or should I say
"whats really on your mind", say it.
If not, ignore this thread, its obviously
not for you, and stop adding to the "bumping".

I have no hidden agenda Rocca. I was just stating my opinion on what I thought was a fishy thread..

[Buckeyedog]

Yeah, it is kind of funny. I always think of american...fender...clean.....smooth....overdriven ....bass/treble.....headroom.

British......marshall.......midrange......raunch.. ......crunch......rock.

[Joe F]

>I have no hidden agenda Rocca. I was just stating my opinion on what I thought was a fishy thread..

I think it's all clear now. Let's go back to talking speakers, I do not want this thread to be pulled. I have a Tonker on the way and am learning a lot from the others here.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
I think for the hard rock we like, the british one's might just be the ticket.

well, i am not the best judge for hard rock, but i think i can pretty much guess that the C-Rex is not going to be your ticket to paradise. for certain blues sounds, jazz, vintage rock'n'roll, funk it kills IMHO, but whatever.

please tell me more about the R, W, & B in your Classic 30, if you don't mind? the C-Rex is smooth, smooth, smooth in the C30 - even when using my bridge toaster top which is as bright as is legally permissable. not muffled, mind, very open and clear.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by frascati
Let's go back to talking speakers, I do not want this thread to be pulled.

hear, hear!

[Timster]

Originally posted by Boogs
hear, hear!

okay, I'll sit in the corner and shut up now

:( :)

[ericb]

Originally posted by Boogs
well, i am not the best judge for hard rock, but i think i can pretty much guess that the C-Rex is not going to be your ticket to paradise. for certain blues sounds, jazz, vintage rock'n'roll, funk it kills IMHO, but whatever.

please tell me more about the R, W, & B in your Classic 30, if you don't mind? the C-Rex is smooth, smooth, smooth in the C30 - even when using my bridge toaster top which is as bright as is legally permissable. not muffled, mind, very open and clear.

The Cannabis Rex is awesome for hard rock.. I use it at every gig these days... well , in a Naylor extension cab hooked to an Engl Screamer combo... HOWEVER, pretty much the style I play is Hendrix mixed with King Crimson mixed with Van Halen mixed with Pat Travers mixed with Living Colour, if you can imagine that.. I think I have attention deficit or brain damage... anyway, seriously the Cannabis Rex is an awesome speaker that sounds great for whatever you play.. I play many styles and love the speaker.
ERIC

[unphotogenic]

Originally posted by SgtThump
You might be right. I'm not giving up on these yet at all. I just really need some quality time with 'em. I wish someone could explain to me the differences between "American" sounding speakers and "British" sounding speakers. lol...

Chris
I swaped some Eminance made V30 clones out of my Carvin Bel Air for some old Oxfords out of my bassman cab and my buddy had an old Carvin combo(x60 1X12) that had a celestion 70 in it and he put a Jenson in it and to me the American speakers have a more balanced sound with a smoother top end while the british speakers(or british style) made the amps more chimey on the clean ch. with more of a rock n roll sound(raw I guess). For the od ch. the british style speakers sound better to me while for clean they just sounded different. Thats what I got at least from my limited experience. My buddy put the celestion 70 back in his combo cause he liked it better and I think I agree with him. I'm thinking of some of the british eminance's to but in my Bel Air, maybe a pair of Red Fangs. I like the V30 clones better in my bassman cab so I might just leave those thier and get rid of the Oxfords.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by ericb
The Cannabis Rex is awesome for hard rock..

wow. <johnnycarson> I DID NOT KNOW THAT! </johnnycarson>

i like the way it sounds with overdrive, but i didn't imagine it would appeal to too many rockers 'cause of the smoothness i hear. like i said, i'm not the best judge for harder stuff.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by SgtThump
You might be right. I'm not giving up on these yet at all. I just really need some quality time with 'em. I wish someone could explain to me the differences between "American" sounding speakers and "British" sounding speakers. lol...

Chris







A British sounding speaker if you sing through it
will change words like "color" to "colour"! LOL

IMO, British speakers have that cutting top end,
and midrange, where the American will be more
compressed and dark, appearing to have less bandwidth.
My preference for Rock music will always be the British flavor.
British style speakers have grind, and a tighter bottom end.
Doug



BTW FAI, a Vox Blue
was a British clone/take of a Jensen P12N,
thats why they sound so dark and compressed,
more American sounding. This IMO, is the only
British exception to what I said above.

[Joeltc]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Yeah, it is kind of funny. I always think of american...fender...clean.....smooth....overdriven ....bass/treble.....headroom.

British......marshall.......midrange......raunch.. ......crunch......rock.

First and foremost, I want to express my gratitude to all those who have given of their time and experience so that others may read and learn, cuss and discuss! This IS a great list and answered SO Many of my questions.

My Speaker comparisons-some observations:

Frances kept me inside here in Sarasota, Florida so I sat down
with my amps and speakers- for simplicity and lower volume I used two class A Bogens, 1956 with a 6l6 or EL34 tube rectifier and a 60's-70's ss rectifier, both somewhere around 10 watts each, both modded for more input gain and negative feedback disabled.

I no longer play out but like to go from clean to mean, so I need a speaker set-up that covers those requirements.

The speakers were 2 Eminence modeling, one Eminence Governor and a Celestion V-30 in a 4-12 cab with leads on each individual speaker.


The Governor was the most "in your face"speaker by far, (even at lowered volumes!) I enjoyed it for a while but the mids became annoying when I change from humbucker to single coil on my 1989 HM Strat and it didn't thin out as much as I wanted.

For me the Governor doesn't do "subtle".

The modeling was more relaxed and had lovely, smimmering highs to my old, abused ears ( I have hearing loss in the left ear on the high end).As a speaker it seems to do as advertised; ie, not add tones from the cone. It was the only speaker that could get a certain clean sound I was looking for (Am on the fifth fret strummed from high to low ala 60's style-"Little Wing".

The V-30 was not as "in your face", it was not as sensitive and therefore "smoother on leads" than either the modeling or gov.
It also could not clean up the way the modeling did so it didn't make it to the short list.

Long story short, I ended up prefering the combination of the Modeling and Governor.

The two modelings sounded ok but were no match for the increased bass and attack of the gov/modeling combo. If I had to play with only one speaker for a typical gig of rock, country, slow songs my choice might be the modeling for the "clean" factor, but I would take both to "real world" that idea.
But since I have both I'll use both.

Oh, I also have tried all the speakers on my "big" amps, they all sound good, the Governor KILLS! :)

Hope I didn't bore you with my story!
Cheers,
Joel

My amps are:
> 1965 Fender Pro Reverb 40 watt 6l6 (71 Bassman, 69 Bandmaster)
> 1973 Earth G-2000 100 watt 6l6
> 1965 Knight 50 watt pa head el34s
> 1980's Yorkville Bloc50 solid state
> many Bogens- 10-50 watt
> My guitars are:
> 1989 Fender HM Strat, Duncan PAF Pro Humbucker, 2 stock single coils
> 1980's Ibanez Rg?
> Essex Les Paul copy
>
> My speakers are:
> Eminence modeling 12 (2) new
> Celestion V-30 used
> Eminence Governor
>

[presence]

not wanting to be an aluminum-foil toting newbie here, but the consensus seems to be:

Governor: Vintage30 flava
Private Jack: Greenback flava

However it is understood that these speakers have their own mojo, too.

Any love for the G12H? where's the love?

[aroman]

How would you compare the Eminence Governor with the Weber Ceramic Silver Bell ?

[SgtThump]

Ok, the Swamp Thangs have ALOT of low mids. According to the description on the Eminence site, this is exactly how they're designed. They're not mixing real well with my Mesa Mark III head, since that amp already has alot of low mids. I'm dialing it in every night, though and getting closer to what I want. But I definitely have to dial out quite a bit of the lows and low mids to work with these speakers.

On the other hand, I'm guessing that my Marshall DSL100/Tube Screamer combo will probably sound great with this cab. That amp and pedal doesn't have an enormous amount of lows and low mids, so it would probably work nicer with these speakers.

I'll try that out later this week. :)

Chris

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Joeltc
First and foremost, I want to express my gratitude to all those who have given of their time and experience so that others may read and learn, cuss and discuss! This IS a great list and answered SO Many of my questions.



seconded - this forum, and indeed this thread, have been great resources! :dude

thanks, y'all.

[Buckeyedog]

Boogs, can't tell you much about the RW&B yet....I've only got like one or two hours on it. It sounds terrific clean, nice and full yet detailed and clear. It's a little ratty on the top end yet, but I'm hoping that it's just the break in. When I crank up the volume and hit crunchy chords, it sounds really good. Leads are a little "bright" still. I'll let you know as it breaks in more.

Doug, thanks for the response on the PJ and Gov. I may try 2 PJ's with my G12h's in my 4x12.

Jeff, I have not had many new speakers but I do believe you have to put several hours of volume on them before they loosen up. I think Doug would be able to help you out there.

High Class....maybe the tonker for the G12h?? I'd say either G12h or classic lead 80.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Boogs, can't tell you much about the RW&B yet....I've only got like one or two hours on it. It sounds terrific clean, nice and full yet detailed and clear. It's a little ratty on the top end yet, but I'm hoping that it's just the break in. When I crank up the volume and hit crunchy chords, it sounds really good. Leads are a little "bright" still. I'll let you know as it breaks in more.

thanks - i'll stay tuned. it'll be nice to hear about more patriots. :cool:

[Boogie92801]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
[B]A British sounding speaker if you sing through it
will change words like "color" to "colour"! LOL


:AOK :dude

That is just too funny!!!

[aroman]

Originally posted by aroman
How would you compare the Eminence Governor with the Weber Ceramic Silver Bell ?

Anyone ?

[ericb]

Originally posted by aroman
Anyone ?

Most people have mentioned the Governor sounds similar to a Cele V30 .. The Weber Silver Bell is nothing like that.. .I've owne many v30's and Silver Bells/Blue Bells, but no Governor's ... Based on the Governor /V30 stmt they are not similar at all

ERIC

[aroman]

Originally posted by ericb
Most people have mentioned the Governor sounds similar to a Cele V30 .. The Weber Silver Bell is nothing like that.. .I've owne many v30's and Silver Bells/Blue Bells, but no Governor's ... Based on the Governor /V30 stmt they are not similar at all

ERIC



I only read Roccaforte's replies and did not see the V30 Comparison.
Thank you.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by ericb
Most people have mentioned the Governor sounds similar to a Cele V30 .. The Weber Silver Bell is nothing like that.. .I've owne many v30's and Silver Bells/Blue Bells, but no Governor's ... Based on the Governor /V30 stmt they are not similar at all

ERIC






IMO, the Govenor sounds nothing like V30's,
and I've used many of both speakers.
None of the new Eminence Redcoats sound like
Celestions, but they do sound much better,
and very British.
Its probably due to the British made cones,
Celestion's cones/parts/assembly are made in China.

[el34power]

So Doug. To recap. Am i right to assume that if i am in the need for a "50 watt greeback style/voiced/but better" speaker. the Private Jack is the one?

Thanks

[ericb]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
IMO, the Govenor sounds nothing like V30's,
and I've used many of both speakers.
None of the new Eminence Redcoats sound like
Celestions, but they do sound much better,
and very British.
Its probably due to the British made cones,
Celestion's cones/parts/assembly are made in China.

MY BAD!! Sorry bout that, as I remember many posts comparing them to V30's... BUT perhaps they were from others. .

ERIC

[SgtThump]

Well, I'll admit it... The Swamp Thangs aren't working for me. It's not that they're bad or anything, but they have tons of low mids and they don't mesh well with my Mesa Mark III at all. I spent all night last night trying to record it, but the speaker/Mark III combination was too full of low mids, which made everything congested.

They DO sound pretty good with my Marshall DSL100 for the short time I play with that setup, but I have these in my Recto cab, which is meant to go with my Mark III head. So, I'm selling 'em. I just emailed Dave to see if he'd take them back and send me some Tonkers instead, but I doubt he will.

I just posted them for sale here. Let me know if anyone is interested. I think I'll try the Tonkers next. :)

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49426

Chris

[carlygtr56]

Originally posted by SgtThump


I just posted them for sale here. Let me know if anyone is interested. I think I'll try the Tonkers next. :)



Chris [/B]


Told ya Tonkers!! Smooth mids and highs mean no mid spike in the speaker.

[johnc]

Originally posted by JeffT
any experience with the aforementioned cone cry/buzzy octave kind of sound with Governors?? I've tried different amps that are fine with other speakers. Just a new speaker thing?

thanks!

I have a Governor, and I have not noticed this characteristic. I wonder if yours might be defective.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by SgtThump
Well, I'll admit it... The Swamp Thangs aren't working for me. It's not that they're bad or anything, but they have tons of low mids and they don't mesh well with my Mesa Mark III at all. I spent all night last night trying to record it, but the speaker/Mark III combination was too full of low mids, which made everything congested.

They DO sound pretty good with my Marshall DSL100 for the short time I play with that setup, but I have these in my Recto cab, which is meant to go with my Mark III head. So, I'm selling 'em. I just emailed Dave to see if he'd take them back and send me some Tonkers instead, but I doubt he will.



bummer. thanks for posting your findings, though.

in a related story, the C-Rex is also very full down low, it just happens to work with my amp/strings/pickups/eq strategy.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by Boogs
bummer. thanks for posting your findings, though.

in a related story, the C-Rex is also very full down low, it just happens to work with my amp/strings/pickups/eq strategy.

Yeah, I'm NOT saying these Swamp Thangs suck or anything, because that's not true. They just don't happen to work with my Mark III. I need to fire up the Marshall more, though. Those speakers will add some nice lows that's "missing" from the Marshall. :)

Chris

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
Told ya Tonkers!! Smooth mids and highs mean no mid spike in the speaker.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... :D

Chris

[Jack Walker]

On a whim, I loaded a Zbest cabinet with a V30 and a Red Fang.
Personally, I like this sound a lot. I'm using them with two different Dr. Z EL84 type amps; a Maz 38 SR NR and a Mazerati. Both sound very good. The Mazerati is the better sounding of the two. This combination gave my tele a slightly round, fat but still very twangy tone. Kind of in the Brad Paisley ballpark. My strat sounded equally as good but took on a different tone that I liked, but is hard to categorize. Kinda of leans toward an AC 30 with celestion blues but not really. Dont you love my analogies?

Maybe Doug can chime in on this. He has a lot more experience than I.

[Buckeyedog]

Need quick advice.....got my Governor's today and one is bent slightly at one of the mounting holes. It's bent outward to about an inch or so to either side. Looks like it should still seal fine, but am wondering if I should send it back or not??

Thanks,
Kevin