New Eminence speaker content

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carlygtr56
I replaced four G12H-30's with Tonkers and haven't looked back.
My guess is the Tonker based on no mid hump and overall smooth response.






Im glad to read this, I agree 100%

[Snakum]

I put a Legend GB12 (same as Private Jack by all accounts) in my Classic 30 and I have been blown away by the difference it made. Truly amazing upgrade. Now I'm building an extension cabinet for it, and rather than put the old Blue Marvel in it, I'm gonna spring for another Eminence.

Any suggestions for a 'mate' to the GB12/Private Jack? Another GB12/Jack? Maybe a Patriot series in the cab?

Also ... I'm going to run two Classic 30s for gigging in December, and wanted to put Blue Dogs in the second rig. I'm told that the Red Fang is closest to the Celestion Blue, but it is a very hi-wattage speaker. Won't I have to really push the C30 very hard to get my normal volume out of it? With the GB12, I'm now up to around 6 on the clean channel and 8/6 on the dirty channel, which sounds very sweet (smoking power tubes :dude ), but if I have to push the amp even harder for the Red Fang I'd expect to go thru tubes VERY quickly. :(

Any suggestions? Anything lower-wattage close to a Celestion Blue besides the Fang?

Minh

BTW .. if I didn't mention it ... I'm LOVING the GB12/Jack!

[Gearhead]

The Red Fang is actually also rated at 30w (peak 60w).

I just put one in my Classic 30 last weekend, and it is SWEET. Not as chimey/gritty as a Blue Dog, but a bit smoother and sparkly. I highly recommend it!

[Snakum]

The Red Fang is actually also rated at 30w

Wow ... I musta' missed that, but it's good to know.

May I ask: what did you replace with the Red Fang, assuming it wasn't a Blue Marvel to Red Fang switch? Also, could you possibly tell me how the Greenback/GB12/Private Jack compares sound-wise to the Red Fang?

Thanks for the info! This thread has been invaluable.

:)

Minh

[dbeeman]

I have a 1*12 that I have ran with both Tonker and G12H

When my wife heard me perform with the Tonker setup she said "You really sounded good today", and of course she had no idea the speakers had been changed out.


YMMV, but I am thinking the Tonker is smoother than the G12H - less harsh at the top end

[roknfnrol]

Apparently there isn't a replica of the G12H30, just the V30 and the Greenback... like they said, the Tonker is a fine replacement. I just installed two Tonkers in my new amp, I can't wait to try them out at some gigs and get them broken in. I was really surprised to find that most of the speakers I tried out at the factory were not fully broken in yet, and they still sounded great... and getting better.

:dude

[ZX-Matt]

Hello all,
I came upon this thread just yesterday, and read up to pages in the 50's. So incase I missed it, has anyone tried one of the Patriot, or Red Coat series in a Peavey Bravo(25w) yet ?

I think I'm going to get the Bravo tomorrow while I have the chance if it's still there. But it needs help speaker wise.....

I was thinking along the lines of the "Private Jack".

Thanks for all the informative postings folks.

-ZX Matt

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by Snakum
Legend GB12 (same as Private Jack by all accounts)

Eminence has told me otherwise. Not that they're not similar--they're both based on a greenback.

[roknfnrol]

When I visited the factory they stated that the Private Jack is a true greenback replica. I didn't think to ask about the GB12, it's probably greenback inspired but not a true replica... I don't know... try all of them!

[big mike]

Originally posted by ringmod
When I visited the factory they stated that the Private Jack is a true greenback replica. I didn't think to ask about the GB12, it's probably greenback inspired but not a true replica... I don't know... try all of them!

Well, I don't think you can call it a true GB replica. The Private Jack is a great speaker, and while it does sound remarkably similiar, it is much more efficient (louder) and has a bit different low end character IMO. Great speaker, but one of the reasons I like the GB, is the lower efficiency.

[Snakum]

I dunno ... just passing along what I was told by a sales geek at Eminence and by the nice gentleman at Avatar speakers. All I know is it sounds better and better every day, and I'll probably put another one in the second amp, as well. :dude

So I take it no one knows which speaker in the new Eminence line sounds most like the Celestion Blue?

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About the Bravo: it's an awesome amp ... lots of people rave about them for a reason. I wish I hadn't had to sell mine, but I'm ramping up to gig again after a very long layoff and I needed a bunch of stuff, and the guys I'm playing with are entirely too loud. When I bought it last month, every recommendation was for a Greenback or "Greenback-inspired" :D speaker in it. With a hi-efficiency speaker, it is probably loud enough to gig unmic'd in all but the largest clubs. It's a pretty amazing 25-watter.

Minh Thong : Eminence-inspired Working Musician

[roknfnrol]

Eminence told me that the Red Fang is their take on the Celestion Blue.

[Snakum]

Originally posted by ringmod
Eminence told me that the Red Fang is their take on the Celestion Blue.

Thanks Ring, that helps. Now I can axe around to see if folks prefer it over the Weber for BLUE sounds. I'm thinking I might try something different from the GB12 in my extension cabs. :)

GB12s in the amps, Red Fangs or Blue Dogs in their extension cabs. Sounds like a plan.

Minh

[dbeeman]

Eminence told me that the Red Fang is their take on the Celestion Blue.


I have Blues and I had a Red Fang

They are similar in style, but to my ears they could never be mistaken for one another.

Blues have a fuller upper mid and the highs are a bit softer. Fang probably has deeper lows and higer highs - and earlier breakup.

Matter of taste which is better

[Jack Walker]

I have a red fang and I have owned a ceramic blue dog. Both great speakers. My nod however goes to the red fang for overall clarity and smoothness. This speaker almost bridges the divide between weber and celestion or an american vs. British sound. to be honest it does both extremely well depending on the head your using. My mazerati sounds very voxish thought this speaker, yet I can hook up a Maz 38 SR or a modified Hot Rod Deluxe to it and I get some great Fender sounds from my strat or Tele. I'm ordering another one from Avatar today. I intend to put another red fang in my Zbest cab. I currently an running RF/V30. I test this with all three amps, then decide whether to load an Avatar 2 x 12 with a weber blue dog/12f150. This is also one of the best combinations I've heard for a Fender sound.

[tweber]

Eminence makes a lot of Weber's stuff, but generally according to Ted's specs.


Ooops.. they don't make any of our speakers except the AlNiCo 12 for the Fender reissue 57 Twin. We build everything by hand here... one at a time...

[hipfan]

So THAT explains all of those pesky fingerprints on the frames of my 10+ Weber speakers! Darn lousy, made-by-hand speakers! :mad:

:p

P.S. For the sake of the humor-challenged in the crowd, there are no extra or untoward fingerprints on my Weber speakers, except by my slimy hands.

[roknfnrol]

Sorry Ted, I must've misunderstood something somewhere along the line.:o

It must've been the 57 twin that put that into my head.

[Jack Walker]

Originally posted by tweber
Ooops.. they don't make any of our speakers except the AlNiCo 12 for the Fender reissue 57 Twin. We build everything by hand here... one at a time...


And that's the way we like it!

[Roccaforte Amps]

I gave Leon C. two Govenors last week, he should be reporting with clips soon.
Doug

[aeolian]

On the Robben Ford message board, his tech Daved Kohls told a member in Japan (Robben will be touring Japan soon)
Bill,
>snip<
You will also be hearing Eminence Tonkers in the Dumble cab.
Robben is still testing them out, but he has been very favorable towards them so far.
>snip<
_________________
B C-ing U!
( }:-Daved

Guess the race is on. :D Glad I got mine while Dave was still selling them cheap. At least this time, nobody can accuse me of trying to copy Robben's rig. :p The post is there on the RF board where I suggested them and Daved came back and said that Dumble himself had suggested them and so Robben was going to give them a try. Thanks to Doug's reviews, I was ahead of the curve. :cool:

[big mike]

Originally posted by aeolian
On the Robben Ford message board, his tech Daved Kohls told a member in Japan (Robben will be touring Japan soon)
Bill,
>snip<
You will also be hearing Eminence Tonkers in the Dumble cab.
Robben is still testing them out, but he has been very favorable towards them so far.
>snip<
_________________
B C-ing U!
( }:-Daved
:

Right on!!!

[glasman]

Guess the race is on. :D Glad I got mine while Dave was still selling them cheap.

Steve, whats the going rate for the Tonkers these days. I was going to pick up a 16ohm one to build a 1-12 cabinet for my D-Clone. The 2-12 EVM cabinet is killing my back!



Gary

[Jack Walker]

Tonkers are $49 plus $8 shipping from Avatar. Just got the price list yesterday. If you would like I will forward you a copy.

[aeolian]

Course if Robben pulls them out after this tour, they'll be like the Banzai pedal, yesterday's news. Not getting rid of mine though, I love 'em.

At these prices it's almost worth grabbing some more but there's not much chance of blowing them up. At 102db and two of them, I can't get my 100W ODS off the stops. I can not imagine what Doug must have gotten with 4 of them in a cab and one of his heads on top.

[ericb]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
Tonkers are $49 plus $8 shipping from Avatar. Just got the price list yesterday. If you would like I will forward you a copy.

I like the Cannabis Rex more than the Tonker.. How much are they on that list?? Thanks, ERIC

[glasman]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
Tonkers are $49 plus $8 shipping from Avatar. Just got the price list yesterday. If you would like I will forward you a copy.


Thanks for the info!.


Gary

[Jack Walker]

Unfortunately, the cannabis Rex is not listed.

[roknfnrol]

I must be cool too, I had my Tonkers before Robben!

[ericb]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
Unfortunately, the cannabis Rex is not listed.

Thanks Jack .. I 've bought my 2 from Nothing Shocking/Mojo and a place in Atlanta for I think about 75-79.00 .. I've bought other speakers from Dave and his prices are excellent, and I bought a Tonker thru Weber.. (cheap but NOT THAT CHEAP!) ... I like the Cannabis I think a good deal more than the Tonker, so I 'm gonna end up buying some more I think

Thanks for checking for me! ERIC

[Boogs]

yo ericb et all, Weber VST has the Cannabis Rex for $59 currently.

this is just a steal for this speaker!

[Tomo]

Originally posted by ringmod
I must be cool too, I had my Tonkers before Robben!


Me too!


Tomo

http://www.tomofujita.com

[ROKY]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
Tonkers are $49 plus $8 shipping from Avatar. Just got the price list yesterday. If you would like I will forward you a copy.

I'd like a copy, Jack; thanks !

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I gave Leon C. two Govenors last week, he should be reporting with clips soon.
Doug

Trade you my 16 ohm Tonker for one of those. :)

[Humbucker]

Which do you think has a stronger and more aggressive upper mid range and tighter low end, The Governor or The Tonker? I have a couple of Governors right now that I like, but if The Tonker is better, I might try to trade or sell them.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Humbucker
Which do you think has a stronger and more aggressive upper mid range and tighter low end, The Governor or The Tonker? I have a couple of Governors right now that I like, but if The Tonker is better, I might try to trade or sell them.





The Tonker and Govenor sound very similar toneally,
but the Tonker has the tighter bass response.
Doug

[Amplite]

Does the Governor break up sooner than the Tonker ?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Amplite
Does the Governor break up sooner than the Tonker ?






I wouldn't say that, but the amp you use will affect performance.
The Govenor does compress more at high volume,
but again, your amp has a lot to do with that.
Just try them.

[aeolian]

Originally posted by Tomo
Me too!


Tomo

http://www.tomofujita.com

You were always cool. Maybe it was listening to your Tonker clips that got HAD and Robben going. Worked for me.

[aeolian]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Just try them.
Lessee, for a hundred bucks you can buy one from Parts Express and take a chance or you can buy both from Dave and switch back and forth.

Does anyone know where the Tonker name came from? I mean, it's a pretty weird word. For a British inspired product, The Governor makes sense, "jolly good tone Gov" and all. Is a Tonker some kind of higher level magistrate? One with a tighter bottom? :) The speaker sounds like a slightly bigger Governor.

[glasman]

Originally posted by aeolian
Lessee, for a hundred bucks you can buy one from Parts Express and take a chance or you can buy both from Dave and switch back and forth.

Does anyone know where the Tonker name came from? I mean, it's a pretty weird word. For a British inspired product, The Governor makes sense, "jolly good tone Gov" and all. Is a Tonker some kind of higher level magistrate? One with a tighter bottom? :) The speaker sounds like a slightly bigger Governor.

Found this on the net.... hmmmmm...


Description: Tonker - the Men Only dance club for Dancing Bears, Truckers, Trailer Trash and their fans!


Tonker is a monthly event at xxxxx - held on the fourth Saturday of the month from 10pm - 4:30am with two dance floors and a video cruize bar.


Other uses of the word.....

Figlio di puttana! Ti taglierò i coglioni e li do a mangiare ai cani!"
Authentic Italian cursing, provided by Marco. Exact translation left as an exersise for the reader, but broadly similar to the famous Discworld battlecry "We're gonna cut yer tonker off!"

There must be other definitions. Aeolion, I bet you are sorry you asked..... maybe we should ask Charlotte at Eminence.....

Gary

[aeolian]

Originally posted by glasman
Found this on the net.... hmmmmm...


Description: Tonker - the Men Only dance club for Dancing Bears, Truckers, Trailer Trash and their fans!


Tonker is a monthly event at xxxxx - held on the fourth Saturday of the month from 10pm - 4:30am with two dance floors and a video cruize bar.



Must be that tight bottom end :moon

:D

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Amplite
Does the Governor break up sooner than the Tonker ?


I agree with Doug.
First when I saw the Eminence chart...says "Break up" fast..
Then I tried using the Govenor myself. I was very surprise
how much this ca hold.

Actually I am very happy using the Governor right now.
Beacuse the Gov gives me amazing harmonic overtone?
nice feedback from my strat and my 335.(with overdrive tone)

I have the Tonker too. but I don't notice so much fast break up
from the Governor. I love both. But if I only have the Gov.
I am very happy.


Tomo

[Tomo]

Originally posted by aeolian
You were always cool. Maybe it was listening to your Tonker clips that got HAD and Robben going. Worked for me.



Thank you. Maybe.....you never know.
But when I heard from Eminence people saying
Robben's tech called Eminence...I may suggested
to use the Tonker. I think Eminence send one more
kind. (unfold). Robben is using the Tonker in Japan.
Now everybody in Japan want to buy the Tonker now.



Tomo

[davetcan]

Originally posted by Tomo
I agree with Doug.
First when I saw the Eminence chart...says "Break up" fast..
Then I tried using the Govenor myself. I was very surprise
how much this ca hold.

Actually I am very happy using the Governor right now.
Beacuse the Gov gives me amazing harmonic overtone?
nice feedback from my strat and my 335.(with overdrive tone)

I have the Tonker too. but I don't notice so much fast break up
from the Governor. I love both. But if I only have the Gov.
I am very happy.


Tomo

I've actually noticed just the opposite. I replaced the Eminence speaker (Zinky Specs) in my Blue Velvet with a Governor last weekend. I love the speaker but it definitely breaks up earlier than the original. I also have a 2x12 cab loaded with Tonkers and I'm sure the Governor breaks up earlier than those. You guys have me questioning myself now though so I'll take some time this weekend to load a Tonker in the Zinky and do an actual side by side check. Same guitar used for both of course. I'll post my findings here.
Being no expert at all on this stuff it will be in laymans terms :)

Dave

[big mike]

Originally posted by Tomo
Thank you. Maybe.....you never know.
But when I heard from Eminence people saying
Robben's tech called Eminence...I may suggested
to use the Tonker. I think Eminence send one more
kind. (unfold). Robben is using the Tonker in Japan.
Now everybody in Japan want to buy the Tonker now.



Tomo

It's that Robben Ford thing. If he played Squier stratocasters for one tune a night, there would be a run on them. :D

[Jack Walker]

Hey, I own a squire strat!! (I don't play it anymore but I own....actually two) Ya think Robben would give me a good price on one of them? I know I'll tell 'em Big Mike blues sent me.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by davetcan
I've actually noticed just the opposite. I replaced the Eminence speaker (Zinky Specs) in my Blue Velvet with a Governor last weekend. I love the speaker but it definitely breaks up earlier than the original. I also have a 2x12 cab loaded with Tonkers and I'm sure the Governor breaks up earlier than those. You guys have me questioning myself now though so I'll take some time this weekend to load a Tonker in the Zinky and do an actual side by side check. Same guitar used for both of course. I'll post my findings here.
Being no expert at all on this stuff it will be in laymans terms :)

Dave




Hi Dave,

That's cool. Up to your settimgs...choice of guitars.
That's why it's fun trying.. My amp is 40 watts, fender
Pro Reverb with 7581 so it's much cleaner than regular
BF. I set my volume around 4.

Yes, the tonker is cleaner than the Gov.
I will make soumd clips soon, using the Tonker,
the Governor. Strat, 335, Version-R guitar.
Same setting (amp), same phrasing on each speakers.

Overall, the Governor is just great.
I bet most people would love this. Much smoother
tone than V-30.

But it's nice to have both the Gov and the Tonker.
I have to go back work.

Tomo

[A440]

do you still get a nice clean with the governor ?
sounds like a nice all around speaker for cleans and also with overdrive pedals ?

I'm on the fence between the gov and the swamp thang for a fender 1x12 combo...

[roknfnrol]

I found the Swamp Thang to be pretty dark, great match for a bright Fender amp...

[davetcan]

Originally posted by Tomo
Hi Dave,

That's cool. Up to your settimgs...choice of guitars.
That's why it's fun trying.. My amp is 40 watts, fender
Pro Reverb with 7581 so it's much cleaner than regular
BF. I set my volume around 4.

Yes, the tonker is cleaner than the Gov.
I will make soumd clips soon, using the Tonker,
the Governor. Strat, 335, Version-R guitar.
Same setting (amp), same phrasing on each speakers.

Overall, the Governor is just great.
I bet most people would love this. Much smoother
tone than V-30.

But it's nice to have both the Gov and the Tonker.
I have to go back work.

Tomo

I look forward to your clips as always Tomo. I don't recall if it was you or Doug who put me onto the Tonkers in the first place but they are so much better than the G12T75's that I replaced that I'll never go back. Big Mike is the one whose posts convinced me to try the Governor and I'm really pleased with it also, it's still only got about 6hrs on it so there's still more room for improvement. Can't go wrong with either speaker imho.

Dave

[big mike]

Originally posted by davetcan
I look forward to your clips as always Tomo. I don't recall if it was you or Doug who put me onto the Tonkers in the first place but they are so much better than the G12T75's that I replaced that I'll never go back. Big Mike is the one whose posts convinced me to try the Governor and I'm really pleased with it also, it's still only got about 6hrs on it so there's still more room for improvement. Can't go wrong with either speaker imho.

Dave

Well, Doug and Tomo got me hooked. So it's a great big circle of enablement.

[davetcan]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Well, Doug and Tomo got me hooked. So it's a great big circle of enablement.

As long as it's not that other type of circle :D

Dave

[aeolian]

Dave, I've got a prototype 2-12 Zinky cab with two of his speakers in them. They are voiced very differently than the Tonker or Gov. Thickest sounding speakers I've ever heard (wonder if the unreleased things EMI sent Robben are based on this voicing?). Compared to the Tonk's and Gov's which are more balanced through the lower mid/upper bass. Less woofy but similar to the Mesa/C90, with better highs. The Zinky's can also put out a lot of clean volume.

The Tonker holds up to duress better than any Celestion I've tried. The Governor is probably more like a high power Celestion. It's definitely not some little 25W thing that falls apart with the least little shove. With a medium power amp, you get a nice blending of the amp and speaker going off together (with a bunch of them, it would take a stronger amp).

[davetcan]

Originally posted by aeolian
Dave, I've got a prototype 2-12 Zinky cab with two of his speakers in them. They are voiced very differently than the Tonker or Gov. Thickest sounding speakers I've ever heard (wonder if the unreleased things EMI sent Robben are based on this voicing?). Compared to the Tonk's and Gov's which are more balanced through the lower mid/upper bass. Less woofy but similar to the Mesa/C90, with better highs. The Zinky's can also put out a lot of clean volume.

The Tonker holds up to duress better than any Celestion I've tried. The Governor is probably more like a high power Celestion. It's definitely not some little 25W thing that falls apart with the least little shove. With a medium power amp, you get a nice blending of the amp and speaker going off together (with a bunch of them, it would take a stronger amp).

Zinky cab sounds nice. Bruce keeps telling me he's going to make a 1x12 extension cab for the Blue Velvet which I'll buy if he ever gets around to it.
Could you, or someone else, give me a good definition of "thick", and or "fat" as it refers to tone. I've been hearing the terms for years but not sure if I understand what they really mean. When I hear the word thick I associate it with warm and syruppy (sp?) but I'm not sure if that's what it implies. The Zinky speaker in my Blue Velvet has lots of sparkle and chime but not a lot of bass oomph, at least compared to the Tonker or Govenor.

Dave

[dbeeman]

Tonkers are $49 plus $8 shipping from Avatar. Just got the price list yesterday. If you would like I will forward you a copy.


He raised the prices since that. I just ordered today

[RSRD]

So, I read the first 30 threads and then my eyes started watering. It has me very intrigued. But my questions would be

1) I want to replace the 75s in my Marshall JCM 900 1960. Will the Governors be as efficient in these cabs?

2) has anyone tried using 2 Governors and 2 Tonkers in a 4X12? Do they compliment each other?

3) Has anyone had any particular success with mixing other speakers in a 4X12?

Thanks. I will go back to the 2nd 30 threads in a little while. :eek:

Thomas

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Big Country
So, I read the first 30 threads and then my eyes started watering. It has me very intrigued. But my questions would be

1) I want to replace the 75s in my Marshall JCM 900 1960. Will the Governors be as efficient in these cabs?

2) has anyone tried using 2 Governors and 2 Tonkers in a 4X12? Do they compliment each other?

3) Has anyone had any particular success with mixing other speakers in a 4X12?

Thanks. I will go back to the 2nd 30 threads in a little while. :eek:

Thomas






Just about any of the Redcoat Eminence speakers are more efficienct than the 75's. Govenor's would be my first choice,
as far as mixing speakers, thats something Im not a fan of.
Doug

[RSRD]

I think I am ready to take the plunge and get 4 of the Gov's. I am assuming they will sound good in a Marshall cab. How much differences do cabs make? Certainly not as important as the speakers.

Thanks

Thomas

[Buckeyedog]

Just do it man. They'll sound so good in a Marshall cab. They'll blow away your 75's IMO. Be sure and give them time with volume though to break 'em in. Or use a variac but be patient because they'll probably be a little stiff and harsh at first.

[davetcan]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Just do it man. They'll sound so good in a Marshall cab. They'll blow away your 75's IMO. Be sure and give them time with volume though to break 'em in. Or use a variac but be patient because they'll probably be a little stiff and harsh at first.

I put my Tonkers in a 1936 cab originally and they definitely blew away the 75's.

[RSRD]

Dave, I sent you an email for feedback on the Tonker.

Thomas

[davetcan]

Originally posted by Big Country
Dave, I sent you an email for feedback on the Tonker.

Thomas

Back atcha!

[tedm]

I put a Red Fang 8 ohm speaker in place of where I've had an original C12N in a tweed deluxe for a long time, and it sounds just tremendous. I've heard about these for almost a year or so, and finally got one, and it is smooth, and efficient and just sounds great. I've never owned a Celest. Blue so I don't know about those comparisons.

Anyways as it's more efficient than my old C12N, I need to turn the hotplate up (-8 or -12) from the usual -4 or -8 with the C12N at about the same amp settings for my recording levels without blasting the neighbors, and even though it still sounds bright and balanced to my ears, the recordings sound a tad darker than either my old C12N, or another set of speakers (4x12 cab), and 1x12 V30. Is it the nature of the Blue or Red Fang to be a tad darker which is great live and in person, but comes through darker with a direct mic (tried both 57 and e609 so far).

** UPDATE: It may have been my Mogami cables getting mixed up, and I may have been mic'ing from several feet away. Let me check this Sun. am...

[tedm]

OK, I got the red fang recording setup dialed in and it sounds terrific!! there's a clip over on the member soundclips forum.

Originally posted by tedm
I put a Red Fang 8 ohm speaker in place of where I've had an original C12N in a tweed deluxe for a long time, and it sounds just tremendous. I've heard about these for almost a year or so, and finally got one, and it is smooth, and efficient and just sounds great. I've never owned a Celest. Blue so I don't know about those comparisons.

Anyways as it's more efficient than my old C12N, I need to turn the hotplate up (-8 or -12) from the usual -4 or -8 with the C12N at about the same amp settings for my recording levels without blasting the neighbors, and even though it still sounds bright and balanced to my ears, the recordings sound a tad darker than either my old C12N, or another set of speakers (4x12 cab), and 1x12 V30. Is it the nature of the Blue or Red Fang to be a tad darker which is great live and in person, but comes through darker with a direct mic (tried both 57 and e609 so far).

** UPDATE: It may have been my Mogami cables getting mixed up, and I may have been mic'ing from several feet away. Let me check this Sun. am...

[brewer90]

Ted - Do you work around loud machinery for a living?

[tedm]

WHAT DID YOU SAY???? :D

Originally posted by brewer90
Ted - Do you work around loud machinery for a living?

[Gearhead]

I'm thinking on getting an unloaded Fender Tonemaster 4x12, and loading it up with Governors for an EL-34 Marshall-type amp. Anyone else put 4 in a closed back, non-ported 4x12? What'd it sound like?

If not, what you all think?

I recall Doug R. putting Private Jacks (?) in 4x12s, vice Gov's. Why?

[aeolian]

Originally posted by Gearhead
I'm thinking on getting an unloaded Fender Tonemaster 4x12, and loading it up with Governors for an EL-34 Marshall-type amp. Anyone else put 4 in a closed back, non-ported 4x12? What'd it sound like?

If not, what you all think?

I recall Doug R. putting Private Jacks (?) in 4x12s, vice Gov's. Why?
Given that Zinky did the original design, I would think the Gov's are closer to the voicing he would have chosen. Based on the EMI's I have in my Zinky cab. They would tame some of the V30 honk, but keep the basic sound. PJ's would probably be more vintage Marshall like. Doug is the 4-12 expert. Curious what he thinks.

[Buckeyedog]

Not to totally answer for Doug.......but, I've asked him this and his response was the he prefers the Governors in a 2x12 and the private jacks in the 4x12 and he alluded to the "balance" of the private jacks that led to his preference. I'm sure he'll chime in soon.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Buckeyedog
Not to totally answer for Doug.......but, I've asked him this and his response was the he prefers the Governors in a 2x12 and the private jacks in the 4x12 and he alluded to the "balance" of the private jacks that led to his preference. I'm sure he'll chime in soon.





Correct, thank you.
The Govenor's IMO work better
for the 2 12's because of the stronger
bass response, and power handling.

With 4 speakers, I find the Private Jack's
give equal performance, but more balanced
all the way around. I built 4 12"s with Govenor's,
and they sound amazing, but as usual I'm allways
reaching out for a "little" more( squeez every last drop).
Honestly, both speakers sound almost identical flavor wize,
but I need that extra bottom end and power handling
for my 2 12" cabs that the Govenor has more of.
Its all love.Doug

[Roccaforte Amps]

Just an update:

Nothing has changed, still love these speakers!

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Just an update:

Nothing has changed, still love these speakers!





Me too.
Actually ....more.


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Tomo
Me too.
Actually ....more.


Tomo






I'm really liking your CD's Tomo, thank you. Doug

[big mike]

Hee hee.

I feel the same way guys! Loving that governor to pieces!

Took the Swamp thing 1x12 to a friends last night, he played his TwoRock Emerald Pro through it, and it sounded Terrific too. So many great speakers, so few cabinets.....

[el34power]

Just a quick drop-in for those interested....
I put 2 Fangs together with 2 Greenback RI's (that i already had before i found this thread)
And i am loving it. the fangs seem to smoothen out some of the spikes of the GB's and vise versa. Maybe something like 4 govs would of given me the same result????
MEH! I'm ok for now

[RSRD]

Okay, so which Em speakers work best in a hard rock/metal crunching 4X12 kinda way?!

[big mike]

Governor or Private Jack IMO.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Governor or Private Jack IMO.





I'll second that. Doug

[RSRD]

I would have thought Swamp Thangs from what I read on Avatars site. Well, I am about to take the plung here! Looks like Govs in an Avatar 4X12 or the G12H30s. Biting my nails here!

t

[mxr2000]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I'll second that. Doug how the tonkers would work for high gain hardrock and metal? or with a cranked plexi style amp with overdrive pedals.?

thanks

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I'm really liking your CD's Tomo, thank you. Doug


Doug, I am glad to hear that. Thank you!

Tomo

[big mike]

Tomo's music is fantastic. The live tapes he sent me are just as good (if not better!) than the CD.

[mxr2000]

Originally posted by Tomo
Doug, I am glad to hear that. Thank you!

Tomo hello Tomo i saw your xotic video clips and i like them a lot the sound was fantastic , would like to know if what i could understand your gear on the clip was "Fender SRV with lindy fralin, fender amp loaded with Tonker speakers, ac booster,rc booster,robtalk" what's is missing?

thanks

[Tomo]

Originally posted by mxr2000
hello Tomo i saw your xotic video clips and i like them a lot the sound was fantastic , would like to know if what i could understand your gear on the clip was "Fender SRV with lindy fralin, fender amp loaded with Tonker speakers, ac booster,rc booster,robtalk" what's is missing?

thanks


Thank you for watching my video clip.

For xotic. I only used the robotalk & Vox Wah.
I made my solo performance DVD that night.

Fender SRV with Lindy Fralin (rear pu is ceramic pp)
Fender Pro Reverb (7581s) with the Tonker speakers.
no overdrive pedals.

D'Adarrio strings (010-046)
Pick Boy signature pick.

and a lot of emotion.

It's time to make another one.

Thanks,


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by mxr2000
how the tonkers would work for high gain hardrock and metal? or with a cranked plexi style amp with overdrive pedals.?

thanks








An excellent choice, the Tonker's bottom
end is heart stopping.
A great Metal speaker.
Doug

[roknfnrol]

Speaking of the Tonker, I've been breaking mine in at my last two gigs. They sounded good right outta the box and they keep getting better! Great bass response as Doug said...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/ringmod/tele2.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/ringmod/amp.gif

[Jack Walker]

I just put a tonker and red fang in my zbest cabinet. I hooked up my new Z28, set the amp and hit a power "A" chord. I started to laugh. This was a Telecaster and the bass response was amazing. I got to play this rig at an outdoor gig all day Saturday. Man was that fun. The Z28 stayed on the verge of breakup all day long. A quick push on the button on my Tim sent it into one of the best overdrives I have ever experienced. Like Doug says, the
Tonker just kills. BTW the tonker replaced a V30. In my all three of my rigs, the Eminences have replaced the celestions.

[Tomo]

http://www.tomofujita.com/jpn/photo/gear/ga_034.jpg

I still love my Eminence speakers.
What else can I say?


Tomo

[tedm]

stock 5E3 tweed deluxes have a tight fit with this speaker and the 2nd power tube. this cab gave it plenty of room:

http://www.tedm.com/redfang.jpg

[Woody777]

I just read all 73 pages of posts. I had a question, but I forgot it :D Seriously though, awesome thread!

I'm in the market for a new 4x12 cab to replace my Marshall 1960A with G12T75s. I play modern rock with a Gibson Les Paul Studio through a Mesa Mark IV.

What speaker/speaker combination would give me a heavy high gain crunch but stay clear and articulate? I like a sharp cutting tone - I do not like mudiness or mushiness at all. I'm looking for tight bass response that isn't crushing or woofy or flubby (don't want to step on the bass player's toes). I want a real thick meaty tone that simply sounds huge! I want a fat mid tone that has no problem cutting through the mix. And I want sweet highs that aren't rolled off too much - I prefer a brighter sound to a darker sound.

Also, in addition to high gain, I play a lot of clean and slightly overdriven tones - so I need a cab that can handle that kind of versatility.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Woody777
I just read all 73 pages of posts. I had a question, but I forgot it :D Seriously though, awesome thread!

I'm in the market for a new 4x12 cab to replace my Marshall 1960A with G12T75s. I play modern rock with a Gibson Les Paul Studio through a Mesa Mark IV.

What speaker/speaker combination would give me a heavy high gain crunch but stay clear and articulate? I like a sharp cutting tone - I do not like mudiness or mushiness at all. I'm looking for tight bass response that isn't crushing or woofy or flubby (don't want to step on the bass player's toes). I want a real thick meaty tone that simply sounds huge! I want a fat mid tone that has no problem cutting through the mix. And I want sweet highs that aren't rolled off too much - I prefer a brighter sound to a darker sound.

Also, in addition to high gain, I play a lot of clean and slightly overdriven tones - so I need a cab that can handle that kind of versatility.

4 private Jacks. Best of the Best 4x12 cabs, Roccaforte.

[Woody777]

Originally posted by big mike blues
4 private Jacks. Best of the Best 4x12 cabs, Roccaforte.

After reading all the threads, I was leaning toward Governors. Also, I was going back and forth between Splawn and Avatar 4x12s. Scott at Splawn suggested a combination of the Governors and the new Eminence G12T-75 copies (they don't even have a name yet).

Anybody have any opinion on the above?

[carltonh]

the new Eminence G12T-75 copies
Why on earth would anyone want to clone that speaker, IMHO. :)

If Eminence has more speakers out without names, I want to hear asap on any neodynium speakers. Tonkers and Governors at 56-59 oz. magnets could use a weight loss program. Neodynium can get the big bass and fast response of heavy ceramic mags. So my question is if Eminence or Weber will be first with a good neodynium model or am I going to give up waiting and get a Texas Heat because it is lighter than the Tonker and Governor.

[Woody777]

Originally posted by carltonh
Why on earth would anyone want to clone that speaker, IMHO. :)

A lot of people bash it, but I think it's a pretty good all around speaker. I don't like the harshness in the highs and the thinness in the mids, but it's far from a bad speaker.

Apparently they sound good in a mixed speaker cab. A V30/G12T75 mix works well together because the V30 fills in the mids and smooths out the highs of the G12T75, and vice versa, the G12T75 reduces the mid spike of the V30 and makes the highs a little more hi-fi sounding. But take all of that with a grain of salt - I've never used this combo! You end up with a pretty tight agressive sound - enter the Ubercab!

I think the new speaker (or possibly speakers) will be introduced at NAMM. But I guess Scott at Splawn specifically asked Eminence to make him some.

[hipfan]

I have a friend with a Guytron 2x12 closed back cab with the V30/G12T75 combination. It sounds good enough with every amp I've heard with it.

[fakeox]

I like neodymium A LOT. I have a celestion (original) century and really like it. it was when they first came out. Still has a bit of cone cry but it dosn't bother me. It's 1 loud gutsy speaker. For small gigs on bass i use an eminence 2515 neo 15" in the recomended box in the projects section on the partsexpress website. WOW! Huge sounding, loud, fat and nice & very light for the sound. The next generation should be even better.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by big mike blues
4 private Jacks. Best of the Best 4x12 cabs, Roccaforte.







They're good.

[Boogie92801]

The Texas Heats are also very good speakers.

In my 2x12 cab run with my Bandmaster they are a vast improvement.

Big tight bass, fat throaty mid range, and very articulate and clear highs; but as I said elsewhere, I was surprised by the increased sustain! I did not know that a speakers could change my sound so much especially adding sustain.
:jo . I should have bought these a long time ago.

Seriously this is the best tone return for the money that I have ever had.

:dude

[carltonh]

Boogie92801,

Can you compare how the Texas Heats sound to any other specific speakers? I was really impressed when I played a Heritage amp with a TH, but as I was unfamiliar with the amp, I didn't know what part of the sound was the speaker vs. the amp.

How good of a Marshall tone can it get? Is the question I've been trying to find a knowledgeable answer for.

[dlxtele]

I took my V-Series amp from Crate out of storage and installed a Governor and a GB12 in place of the E1s. The E1 is an Eminence OEM 12" driver coiced like a Vintage 30. The Governor has a smoother tone with more snap and response. The GB12 worked well with the stock speakers and seems to be even better with the Governor.

Finally got my Tweed Deluxe cab with a Red Fang and hooked it up to a Laney VC30; until the Deluxe clone is completed. I can't wait for it to break-in.

Brent

[Boogie92801]

Can't say anything bad about the Heats. I have a fender amp so I can't answer the Marshall tone question but with a tube screamer and a Strat with my bandmaster at about five it sounded righteous.

They are very fat and have huge bottom end.

But the clearness and the sustain are worth the price of admission.

I have only briefly played or heard this head through JBLs, V30's, or Jensen’s; but have played extensively with the stock Utahs and these are 3-D by comparison to all of them.

[mxr2000]

a friend of mine that own a Tech21 trademark 60 would like to know if is ok to change his T60 combo speaker and use a fullrange Tonker .? tech21 T60 speaker fart a lot when is loud.

[BFC]

I have two Texas Heats running with a Ragin Cajun.

The Texas Heats are very versatile. They sound as great for low volume home playing as they do with a wide open 50 watt head. Also, they really break in over time and get sweeter. I have a few hundred hours on mine now and they just seem to keep getting better. Highly recommended.

The Ragin Cajun is one stout little speaker. I can shut off my Texas Heats and pound the Ragin Cajun by itseslf with the same cranked 50 watt head and it sounds awesome. I might be pushing my luck but so far it hasn't even flinched.

It's nice having all this in one cabinet. All three at once is truly something to behold! Good stuff!

[Boogs]

well, after flipping over the C-Rex, i started looking for a speaker with early breakup and a different sound for another 1x12 cab.

i had all but decided on a Red Fang, but it was pissing me off that the Patriots are so unexplored... so i ordered a Blue Tick Hound from Avatar. :D this should be a night and day difference from both the Rex and the Alltone 1250, and i'm just curious to see what it sounds like. it seems to be the "weird one" of the family - scooped mids, quieter, reportedly very fast to break up, VERY light magnet, hhmmmm.

[Zero]

I ordered a Swamp Thang from Avatar. It was down to that, the Tonker or V12. Needed it to be 120 watts plus. I heard DeGenero's V12 clip and hated it. Too dark. The Tonker, specs seemed too bright (5.5 khz). I went with the Swamp Thang, liked the idea of bigger bass, liked Thump's clip even though he returned his. Guess I'll soon know for myself. Report back.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by BFC
I have two Texas Heats running with a Ragin Cajun.

The Texas Heats are very versatile. They sound as great for low volume home playing as they do with a wide open 50 watt head. Also, they really break in over time and get sweeter. I have a few hundred hours on mine now and they just seem to keep getting better. Highly recommended.

The Ragin Cajun is one stout little speaker. I can shut off my Texas Heats and pound the Ragin Cajun by itseslf with the same cranked 50 watt head and it sounds awesome. I might be pushing my luck but so far it hasn't even flinched.

It's nice having all this in one cabinet. All three at once is truly something to behold! Good stuff!


I love those too. Yes, great stuff!

1) Pro Reverb w/ Texas Heat
& Princeton Reverb w/ Rajin Cajin

2) Pro Reverb w/ Texas Heat & Screaming Eagle
those cobination I liked too.

3) I stiil like the Tonker, the Governor and the Swamp Thang.
(Red Fang, Private Jack)....


I will be demoing new series of Eminence speakers.
Please stop by at Emininence Booth. NAMM SHOW 2005.
1/20-23.

Tomo

[big mike]

Ran through some Stonehenges today!!!

CAFeathers, (Chet) had a new pair loaded in his Marshall 1922 Cab. ( may have been a 1936 cab) looks like a bit older one. Used his new to him JTM45 Reissue. Great amp. Used my Z Airbrake to open that bad boy up (it was a Jam event after all) with both my PRS SCTrem, Thorn #018 (P90's) and a Santana 1.

Wow; Cool amp too, but I liked these speakers. Similiar in tone to the Governor, but seemed like they had a bit more chime a sizzle to the top end. Maybe a touch less lows. Another winner from the Eminence camp!

Cool Cool speakers. Wonder how it would mix with a tonker.....

[CAFeathers]

Cab is a 1922, Speakers are the 8ohm version of the Stonehenges.

[ROKY]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Ran through some Stonehenges today!!!

CAFeathers, (Chet) had a new pair loaded in his Marshall 1922 Cab. ( may have been a 1936 cab) looks like a bit older one. Used his new to him JTM45 Reissue. Great amp. Used my Z Airbrake to open that bad boy up (it was a Jam event after all) with both my PRS SCTrem, Thorn #018 (P90's) and a Santana 1.

Wow; Cool amp too, but I liked these speakers. Similiar in tone to the Governor, but seemed like they had a bit more chime a sizzle to the top end. Maybe a touch less lows. Another winner from the Eminence camp!

Cool Cool speakers. Wonder how it would mix with a tonker.....

Cool, I'd been waiting for the verdict on these .
I thought that they might have less highs than the Govs, though.

CAFeathers-- How many hours would you say are on them ?

[CAFeathers]

Originally posted by ROKY
Cool, I'd been waiting for the verdict on these .
I thought that they might have less highs than the Govs, though.

CAFeathers-- How many hours would you say are on them ?

Probably about 5-10 hours max.

[ari]

I reported my impressions of Tonker, Swamp Thang and Reverend AllTone in a separate thread a while ago, but I'll report here agan. I'm testing them in my Laney LC-50II with a Strat.

Tonker: It is indeed balanced, though I didn't like the top end when the gain is high. Very in-your-face (but not harsh) and modern sounding speaker. The attacks are crisp and fast.

Swamp Thang: The low end is indeed MASSIVE. It's rather dark and sweet sounding. But because of its hump on the low end it almost sounds like proximity effect -- like you're listening to the speaker a little too close. I liked it when I was playing by myself and for my duo gigs w/ singer/songwriters, but when I brought it to my country band it sounded too dark to me.

Reverend AllTone: Close to Tonker but less efficient, a bit more vintage sounding. Not as "in your face" or open sounding but the mid range sounded sweeter and more complex.

My verdict is that while none of them sounded bad, I'm not completely satisfied with any of them. This is more about learning what I like to hear in a speaker -- and I'm finding that because I play in very different styles and situations, I need a versatile speaker than can do cleans and high gain equally well. I wasn't wrong to try out Swamp Thang for its subdued top and beefy bottom to compensate for the top-heavy character of Strat, but it was too much.

So now I'm eyeing C-Rex and TX Heat...:dude But before I do that I'll probably throw the Tonker back in there, use it for a couple of weeks to let it break in and see what happens.

ari

[Boogs]

my Blue Tick Hound and cab should both be here by Wednesday... i can't wait. i picked it as a deliberate gamble 'cause Avatar's prices are so good - if it doesn't work out, perhaps i'll try the Red Fang like 37 people told me to do. should be interesting, in any case.

so, Big Mike, in retrospect are you kind of glad you ended up with the Governor instead of the Stonehenge initially, even though you obviously like both? i mean, you gave the SH a good review, but you REALLY seem to be crazy about the Gov, so i'm imagining it was Fate at work... ;)

[big mike]

Originally posted by Boogs
my Blue Tick Hound and cab should both be here by Wednesday... i can't wait. i picked it as a deliberate gamble 'cause Avatar's prices are so good - if it doesn't work out, perhaps i'll try the Red Fang like 37 people told me to do. should be interesting, in any case.

so, Big Mike, in retrospect are you kind of glad you ended up with the Governor instead of the Stonehenge initially, even though you obviously like both? i mean, you gave the SH a good review, but you REALLY seem to be crazy about the Gov, so i'm imagining it was Fate at work... ;)

Not enough time on the SH to tell, but let's just say, I haven't ordered any other speakers to try :D

[BFC]

The Texas Heats were rediculously cheap at Avatar last I checked. Great speakers. They sound great right out of the box but definetly give them time to break in. They smooth out quite a bit in the upper mids. I have a C Rex that needs to be broken in. David Barber said the C Rex really opens up after being pounded for a while.

[tdh]

Hi,with all the great things I've been hearing I bought one of each of these speakers and found that they both exibit cone cry around the 12th fret and above and when bending,esp.the govener.I've put them in several single 12"cabs and have used several amps like a delux reverb,RT66,and a sovtek head.
Has anyone had this experience at all?I really wanted to like these speakers but i can't live with the octive below type nasty sound.Any help would be great.The forum member I bought them from has offered to buy them back if I want to.
Thanks!
Tim DeHuff

[Boogs]

Originally posted by BFC
I have a C Rex that needs to be broken in. David Barber said the C Rex really opens up after being pounded for a while.

my experience was that the C Rex needed a bit of time before it settled down, and it went through a fairly dramatic change in tone during breaking in. others report differently, so YMMV...

[fakeox]

This is just a stupid bassplayer reply. For guitar i kindof like cone cry. it only happens when your're toally cranked anyhow.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by tdh
Hi,with all the great things I've been hearing I bought one of each of these speakers and found that they both exibit cone cry around the 12th fret and above and when bending,esp.the govener.I've put them in several single 12"cabs and have used several amps like a delux reverb,RT66,and a sovtek head.
Has anyone had this experience at all?I really wanted to like these speakers but i can't live with the octive below type nasty sound.Any help would be great.The forum member I bought them from has offered to buy them back if I want to.
Thanks!
Tim DeHuff




You're describing is a sub-harmonic,
thats not cone cry.
Cone cry sounds like you have a rip
in the cone on low notes.
Doug

[tedm]

Hi Doug,
So doping the speakers wouldn't help in this situation? Is there a solution other than changing out speakers or amp?? Anyone else get sub-harmonics with the new Eminences when playing above the 12th fret??

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
You're describing is a sub-harmonic,
thats not cone cry.
Cone cry sounds like you have a rip
in the cone on low notes.
Doug

[Jack Walker]

I have been using a Red Fang for a couple of months now. We have recently played two dates outdoors where the volume levels were pretty high. I have yet to experience any cone cry with the Red Fang. Have you tried other guitars and gotten the same problem?

[carltonh]

Here's another thought. Could subharmonics have anything to do with how the speaker is mounted into the cab? Once I seemed to have an amp that had that problem only with any speaker in its cab.

[fullerplast]

Originally posted by carltonh
Here's another thought. Could subharmonics have anything to do with how the speaker is mounted into the cab? Once I seemed to have an amp that had that problem only with any speaker in its cab.

Subharmonics are generally considered to be an amp abberation, not a speaker or cabinet problem. Since Tim tried three different amps with several different cabinets and the problem remained consistent with the speaker, I doubt the problem was due to the amp or the cabinet.

IMHO what he was hearing was more likely cone cry, which is basically the cone deforming at high volumes. The surface of the cone will develop it's own waveform that is usually a harmonic of particular notes.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by tedm
Hi Doug,
So doping the speakers wouldn't help in this situation? Is there a solution other than changing out speakers or amp?? Anyone else get sub-harmonics with the new Eminences when playing above the 12th fret??






Doping the speaker edge offers dampaning,
yes this helps the cone cry issue,
but in some speaker manufactures it doesn't
cure this problem.
Again, cone cry is a low frequency oscillation,
not a sub-harmonic issue on high notes.
Doping won't cure that.

[tedm]

Thanks Doug,
I re-read your stuff from 8/4/2004 and it may make sense, fortunately none of my amps have had problems with the sub harmonics with a red fang, V30, C12N, Marshall 1960 4x12 Celestion loaded cab, so I hope they don't have it with the Governor I'll be trying (have tweeds, univalve, custom trentino, couple of homebrews)

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Doping the speaker edge offers dampaning,
yes this helps the cone cry issue,
but in some speaker manufactures it doesn't
cure this problem.
Again, cone cry is a low frequency oscillation,
not a sub-harmonic issue on high notes.
Doping won't cure that.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by tedm
Thanks Doug,
I re-read your stuff from 8/4/2004 and it may make sense, fortunately none of my amps have had problems with the sub harmonics with a red fang, V30, C12N, Marshall 1960 4x12 Celestion loaded cab, so I hope they don't have it with the Governor I'll be trying (have tweeds, univalve, custom trentino, couple of homebrews)





You may not have noticed it before,
something has to be beating
the frequency to cause
a sub-harmonic, speakers don't do this.
Power supplies, and tubes can.
Doug

[cerebralpaul]

OK, read all 76 pages for fun and also so I didn't ask any redundant questions- and I basically found a whole lot of redundant questions ;) Anyway, I'm mostly curious about what speakers might be closest to a Weber California, i'm pretty happy with the frequency response from the Cali but I may be looking for higher sensitivity. I had Weber Michigans that were too dark with my Fender amp, and it seems the Swamp things may be similar to those. So I'm looking at the Tonker and Texas Heat mainly, they seem like they may have similar EQ to the Cali with a slightly different personality...

Tomo, you made a brief comment on the Cali, I'd love to hear your opinions on how it compares to the Texas Heat or Tonker in a 2x12 Fender-
Thanks!

[Tomo]

Originally posted by cerebralpaul
OK, read all 76 pages for fun and also so I didn't ask any redundant questions- and I basically found a whole lot of redundant questions ;) Anyway, I'm mostly curious about what speakers might be closest to a Weber California, i'm pretty happy with the frequency response from the Cali but I may be looking for higher sensitivity. I had Weber Michigans that were too dark with my Fender amp, and it seems the Swamp things may be similar to those. So I'm looking at the Tonker and Texas Heat mainly, they seem like they may have similar EQ to the Cali with a slightly different personality...

Tomo, you made a brief comment on the Cali, I'd love to hear your opinions on how it compares to the Texas Heat or Tonker in a 2x12 Fender-
Thanks!


I have 2 12(4ohms) California in my '64 Super Reverb.
Very nice big, bright tone. Well balance with no color.

Texas Heat has a bit warmer tone. I like mix with Texas Heat &
Screaming Eagle(brighter Speaker). cone is similar.

Tonker got own tone. But I can't compare those, because
those sps are in different size combo... I love this tone too.
british type cone. (Pro Reverb)

If I come up some money, I would like Eiminence to make
my own speakers. But I have to order at least 100 units.



Tomo

[cerebralpaul]

Originally posted by Tomo
I have 2 12(4ohms) California in my '64 Super Reverb.
Very nice big, bright tone. Well balance with no color.

Texas Heat has a bit warmer tone. I like mix with Texas Heat &
Screaming Eagle(brighter Speaker). cone is similar.

Tonker got own tone. But I can't compare those, because
those sps are in different size combo... I love this tone too.
british type cone. (Pro Reverb)

If I come up some money, I would like Eiminence to make
my own speakers. But I have to order at least 100 units.



Tomo

Yeah my rig is also a Super Reverb with 2 4ohm Cali 12's- great sound! I think I maybe looking for a little more bottom end though, and a faster attack- the Michigans gave me the bottom end but I felt I lost some definition in the process...

Do you think the Screaming Eagle is brighter than the Cali?

What would your ideal speaker be from Eminence?

[aeolian]

King of the fast attack, while holding up to volume and keeping the bottom end together, would be the Tonker. The thought of two of those in a Super Reverb cabinet sends shivvers down me spine.

[el34power]

I just love the 2 Green back / 2 Red Fang in my 4x12 cab. I want to replace a 12" Black Shadow in a Mesa 1x12" 3/4 open wide cab, with something that would be a cross between a Private Jack and a Red Fang and that can handle a 100watt JCM800. Gouvernor???
Doug?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by el34power
I just love the 2 Green back / 2 Red Fang in my 4x12 cab. I want to replace a 12" Black Shadow in a Mesa 1x12" 3/4 open wide cab, with something that would be a cross between a Private Jack and a Red Fang and that can handle a 100watt JCM800. Gouvernor???
Doug?





yes, the Govenor's kick but.
Try them, you'll see.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by cerebralpaul
Yeah my rig is also a Super Reverb with 2 4ohm Cali 12's- great sound! I think I maybe looking for a little more bottom end though, and a faster attack- the Michigans gave me the bottom end but I felt I lost some definition in the process...

Do you think the Screaming Eagle is brighter than the Cali?

What would your ideal speaker be from Eminence?


Wow! That's same.
I can't compare my 4 ohm California in Super and others
in Pro Reverb. Each cabs, amps are different.

Cali has more plain taste. Screaming Eagle got very similar top
end as Cali and nice bottom. But others like ... the tonker
the Governor (more mid, creamier than the Tonker) got better
bottom end. I love all. I can't decide just ONE.

For me, using just the Screming Eagle.. I need more something
so I mixed with the Texas Heat.

I still got the Tonker in my Pro Reverb and the Governor in Pro Reverb(2)
Of course I had to buy another Pro Reverb. It took while to explain
my wife about amps.


Tomo

[hipfan]

Originally posted by Tomo
It took while to explain
my wife about amps.



Hey, no matter how long it took, if she eventually understood, consider it a *huge* victory for you! I can safely say that my wife will never understand why I'd need more than one amp. :rolleyes: :)

[Zero]

I got the Swamp Thang the other day and put it in my combo, a ported, closed back Randall (SS) RSM-150. It isn't broken in yet. My first impression was, yes the big bass everyone mentioned. Does not sound "dark" though! The speaker I'm really used to hearing is a Celestion G12T-75 and it sounds brighter than that. i have to roll the highs way back on the amp. It does not sound "british", maybe interpreted as "dark".
I probably need to play it more before I get it's true sound.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Zero
I got the Swamp Thang the other day and put it in my combo, a ported, closed back Randall (SS) RSM-150. It isn't broken in yet. My first impression was, yes the big bass everyone mentioned. Does not sound "dark" though! The speaker I'm really used to hearing is a Celestion G12T-75 and it sounds brighter than that. i have to roll the highs way back on the amp. It does not sound "british", maybe interpreted as "dark".
I probably need to play it more before I get it's true sound.



Good point! Each one's setting, amp choice, all different.

For instance,
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe got too much bass (for me)
The speaker is made by Eminence ... this speaker itself
very bright and not so much bass... but the amp is voiced
with this spearker.. so you know, not just speakers
amps, tubes, way you pick...

Tomo

[cerebralpaul]

Anyone here compared the Swamp Thing to a Weber Michigan?

[Zero]

:( God, the more I play the "Swamp Thang", the more I am not liking it. Granted, it needs more breaking in. Will it get any better? I feel like crap now, I bought this thing (thang) & can't return it. I should've known to stick with the British ones since the G12T75 is my favorite speak (but not enough power handling for this combo). Buyers regret over here.

[big mike]

Originally posted by Zero
:( God, the more I play the "Swamp Thang", the more I am not liking it. Granted, it needs more breaking in. Will it get any better? I feel like crap now, I bought this thing (thang) & can't return it. I should've known to stick with the British ones since the G12T75 is my favorite speak (but not enough power handling for this combo). Buyers regret over here.

It is american voiced for sure.

[Zero]

:( agree.

[roknfnrol]

Give it time to break it, it can be a dramatic change.

[cerebralpaul]

Originally posted by Tomo
Wow! That's same.
I can't compare my 4 ohm California in Super and others
in Pro Reverb. Each cabs, amps are different.

Cali has more plain taste. Screaming Eagle got very similar top
end as Cali and nice bottom. But others like ... the tonker
the Governor (more mid, creamier than the Tonker) got better
bottom end. I love all. I can't decide just ONE.

For me, using just the Screming Eagle.. I need more something
so I mixed with the Texas Heat.

I still got the Tonker in my Pro Reverb and the Governor in Pro Reverb(2)
Of course I had to buy another Pro Reverb. It took while to explain
my wife about amps.


Tomo

Have you ever used a Red White and Blues Tomo? I'm curious how that compares to the Screaming eagle and Texas Heat...

[Tomo]

Originally posted by cerebralpaul
Have you ever used a Red White and Blues Tomo? I'm curious how that compares to the Screaming eagle and Texas Heat...


Hi

Yes, I have the Red White and Blues.

RW&B has more mids than SE or TH.
very round sound. sweet.

Darker than SE.
Less Bottom than TH.

I have tried,
Tonker, Governor, Private Jack, Red Fang.

Swamp Thang, Screaming Eagle, Texas Heat, Red White & Blues

Rajin Cajun, Ramrod, Copperhead.

I look forward to going NAMM 2005.


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Tomo
Hi

Yes, I have the Red White and Blues.

RW&B has more mids than SE or TH.
very round sound. sweet.

Darker than SE.
Less Bottom than TH.

I have tried,
Tonker, Governor, Private Jack, Red Fang.

Swamp Thang, Screaming Eagle, Texas Heat, Red White & Blues

Rajin Cajun, Ramrod, Copperhead.

I look forward to going NAMM 2005.


Tomo










Tomo,
Yuki will be here for NAMM too.
Maybe I can see you two while you're out here?
Doug

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Tomo,
Yuki will be here for NAMM too.
Maybe I can see you two while you're out here?
Doug




Tomo?

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Tomo,
Yuki will be here for NAMM too.
Maybe I can see you two while you're out here?
Doug



Hi Doug,

Yes, that sound good. I just got e-mail from Yuki.
I would like to meet you there.


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Tomo
Hi Doug,

Yes, that sound good. I just got e-mail from Yuki.
I would like to meet you there.


Tomo





Cool!
I'll take you with us out to dinner!
Doug

[johan]

The new Eminence just hit Sweden. Recived a Tonker and a Govenor this monday. Use them together in a 2*12" with my Skrydstrup amp (Dumble meets CAE kinda thing). That amp is voiced around V30 speakers (which I really don't like). Now the tone is just soo much better. Fat, warm, clean and musical. We have a "tone fest" here in a couple of weeks...It will blow them away (really - loud speakers)

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Cool!
I'll take you with us out to dinner!
Doug


That's super!
I look forward to going.

Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Tomo
That's super!
I look forward to going.

Tomo






I have extra guitars here, we'll all jam.

[roknfnrol]

Get a room! Just kidding :p

[Boogs]

i'll give my impressions of another Patriot that has never gotten a mention here except for by me....

... namely the Blue Tick Hound. bit of a science experiment, this one, with the very small magnet, and intrigueing application guide from Emi - "Metal, Grunge...College Rock?"... hello?! :D

anyway, i had it in an external 1x12 cab that was not open enough i think, and wasn't getting the deal with this speaker at all. i mean, it sounded like it's eq graph, but it didn't have a personality. so i swapped it out with my Alltone, which was in a more open back mini-1x12, and both the Alltone and (especially) the Blue Tick benefitted. i have no idea what to compare this speaker to, but i would say that it's true to it's graph, and it has a unique presentation that turns the sound of my guitar "inside-out" compared to the C-Rex and the Alltone. i'm starting to like it a lot, but as much on cleans as on the overdriven sounds despite the Emi description. i wouldn't describe it as warm, with those scooped mids, but is has a nice brightness that's not sterile at all, and a nice little thump down below. since i switched cabs, i really look foward to playing it more and using it for some recordings, as i've never heard anything quite like it before.

carry on as you were, please... ;)

[Boogs]

hhhmmmm, think i'll give in and get the Governor next, for some rockin' action. :)

[Joe F]

>Anyone here compared the Swamp Thing to a Weber Michigan?

yea. Michigan is darker and less dynamic. I find it smoother by a tad, but I think the Swamp is pretty nice. It's got a little more bass on it's own than a Tonker and seems to be smoother as well. But it's very close to a Tonker. I think it can handle more wattage than the Mich too.

[hipfan]

Originally posted by Boogs
hhhmmmm, think i'll give in and get the Governor next, for some rockin' action. :)

I just threw a pair of these in my open back 2x12 cab. I think I really like them so far. Aggressive with overdrive like a Vintage 30, but more "even" in response. I haven't even broken them in yet, but early results are very positive.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by hipfan
I just threw a pair of these in my open back 2x12 cab. I think I really like them so far. Aggressive with overdrive like a Vintage 30, but more "even" in response. I haven't even broken them in yet, but early results are very positive.






They just get better and better, I have lots of hours
on a pair here, amazing!

[Gearhead]

Doug,

Do you prefer the Private Jacks in 4x12 for "balance" because of the number of speakers (vice your preference for Gov's in2x12), or because almost all 4x12s are closed back?

In other words, do/would you prefer Govs in all 2x12s and PJs in all 4x12s, whether they be open or closed back?

I am negotiating to buy some unloaded cabs - and it looks like -both- have optional closed/open back back plates.

What a quandry ;)

Thanks!

Dave

[dlxtele]

Looking for clips of the 10" driver the Ramrod from the Redcoat series. I have 2 Governors, luv em and 2 Red Fangs, really luv em I have 1 in my Tweed Deluxe Clone and it is the bees knees. Like I said looking for clips of the Ramrod so if anyone has them or has a link let me know.

These will be going in a Laney VC30 and replace the stock HH Invaders. Do you think they will be do well in that amp?

Brent

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Gearhead
Doug,

Do you prefer the Private Jacks in 4x12 for "balance" because of the number of speakers (vice your preference for Gov's in2x12), or because almost all 4x12s are closed back?

In other words, do/would you prefer Govs in all 2x12s and PJs in all 4x12s, whether they be open or closed back?

I am negotiating to buy some unloaded cabs - and it looks like -both- have optional closed/open back back plates.

What a quandry ;)

Thanks!

Dave






Dave, 4 12"s can sound boomy (IMO)
on bass notes with higher power speakers.
The Private Jacks seem to be the one
for me, I don't get any frequency selective
notes, especially on bass notes.

For 2 12"s, I need the power handling,
and extra bottom end.
The Govenors do this well, and yet sound
very similar to the Private jacks at most
volume levels. Doug

[gabeman]

Hey all (special for Doug),

I'm new on this forum and I have been reading this whole thread. Whooww!!
I'm building my own 2x12 right know and I would realy like to put some eminence governors 16ohm parallel in the cab. ...but, in Europe (The Netherlands) I can only get the 8 ohm version or wait 8 weeks!! for the 16 ohmers.
What is tone wise the best thing I can do??
My amp can do 4,8 or 16 ohm.
I'm planning another 2x12 for the future!!!
-2x 8ohm in serie (=16 ohm, 2 cabs = 8ohm for amp)
-2x 8ohm parallel (= 4ohm, 2 cabs = 2 ohms for amp = no option)
..or yust wait for 8 weeks and put 2 speakers in parallel??

Greetzzz,
Gaby

[Chrissy]

Originally posted by gabeman
Hey all (special for Doug),

I'm new on this forum and I have been reading this whole thread. Whooww!!
I'm building my own 2x12 right know and I would realy like to put some eminence governors 16ohm parallel in the cab. ...but, in Europe (The Netherlands) I can only get the 8 ohm version or wait 8 weeks!! for the 16 ohmers.
What is tone wise the best thing I can do??
My amp can do 4,8 or 16 ohm.
I'm planning another 2x12 for the future!!!
-2x 8ohm in serie (=16 ohm, 2 cabs = 8ohm for amp)
-2x 8ohm parallel (= 4ohm, 2 cabs = 2 ohms for amp = no option)
..or yust wait for 8 weeks and put 2 speakers in parallel??

Greetzzz,
Gaby

Gaby,

I just ordered 2 Governor at 16 ohm from House of Speakers in Germany. He mentioned a couple of days ago that they had 2 more in stock. Their address is here... (www.houseofspeakers.de)

I'll add that they were very slow with email - but as they are the only place here that has them, I had to put up with that!

[gabeman]

Thanks Chrissy,

The e-mail was not slow at all!!! Within one day, not to bad.
I just ordered 2, so the building can go on.

Greetzzz

[Gearhead]

Well, I did the deed and am getting an unloaded 4x12 that has an open/closed back option. A used, but babied, Jenkins 4x12.

Ordered 4 Private Jacks and 2 Governors so I can do the mix/match of PJs and Govs for open/closed and then PJs alone for open/closed. (Yeah, Doug, I know you don't believe in mixing, but I gott try ;).

Never owned a 4x12; is the wiring harness usually setup so the top 2/bottom 2 are wired serial, and then the pair in parallel? Or is it parallel and then series.? I'm hoping for the former, so it would be more balanced in the parallel matchup with mixed speakers.

[Jarrett]

I'm interested in thoughts on these speakers, but 78 pages is too much to read through. Guys, is there a summary anywhere in here? Thanks.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Jarrett
I'm interested in thoughts on these speakers, but 78 pages is too much to read through. Guys, is there a summary anywhere in here? Thanks.






Govenors for 2 12"s, Private Jacks for 4 12"s.
Thats it for me.

[carltonh]

Here is an attempt to sum up the whole thread:

Roccaforte's opinions are the most common. PJs for 4x12s, Governors for 2x12s, and Tonkers are a cleaner but full bodied British sound option. Peters and a few others find the Tonker a little harsh in the treble for modern high gain, Roccaforte disagrees, others are on both sides. These are the ones that people seem to love the most, but that may in part be because they are the ones more people have tried, but haven't tried many others. The Governors are like a smoother, more balanced V30 without the upper mid hump, and the PJ is like a Greenback. The Tonker has been compared to a Classic Lead 80, but a somewhat more subdued, but tighter bass response, and a very immediate clear attack, usually described in a good way.

Swamp Thang is a very full, bass and lower mid strong American tone, recommended by Tomo and others for Fender open backs, but someone tried a 4x12 of them with a Mesa and it was too strong in the lower mids and sounded muddy and lost in the mix.

The Cannabis Rex is a very thick midrange speaker, some people think it is good for jazz to classic rock.

The Texas Heat and R,W,& B are similar all-purpose fat sounding speakers, also useful for British tones too. The R,W,& B has more midrange of the two, more than Tomo prefers. David Barber decided to use the Texas Heats as standard after trying many of these new Eminence speakers.

The Red Fang is very Celestion Blue like. Most people notice a slight difference compared to the Blue, and the difference is one of slight personal preference, usually more slight than the price difference compared to the Blue.

The best "all-purpose" speakers that don't sacrifice tone seem to be the Governor, Tonker, Texas Heat, and R,W,& B in no particular order. Other speakers including 10"s haven't had many comments, other than general praise for the Rajin' Cajun, but not much comparison to other speakers.

[davetcan]

Well done! I vote that we delete the rest of the thread and just leave this summary up :D

Dave

[dlxtele]

I went ahead and ordered the 10" Ramrods from Sean at Madsound. Great price and I can return them if I don't like them. They are going into a Laney VC30 to replace the stock HH Invaders.

I wanted to improve the Laney in prerperation for my new Rickenbacker 360 12-string. I had retubed the Laney with JJ EL-84sm JJ 12AX7 PI and good tested RCA 12AX7 in V1 and V2. I want a great clean from the speaker, the Laney has a great clean tone and I wanted to improve the OD characteristics too. Should be here next week and I will report back here when they are in the amp and cookin'.

Brent

[prakashananda]

OK, got to throw this out there. I just picked up a gorgeous, awesome sounding cab made by Antone. 2X12 loaded with G12H30s (yes, made in England); closed back with optional open panel.

This thing sounds just like I want it to sound so far - haven't taken it out and opened it up yet though.

Anyone care to make a recomendation for this cab for that sound application? To me, it's sounding pretty seriously vintage '70s Zep, just the way I want it.

Thanks guys....

[mxr2000]

Originally posted by Gearhead
Well, I did the deed and am getting an unloaded 4x12 that has an open/closed back option. A used, but babied, Jenkins 4x12.

Ordered 4 Private Jacks and 2 Governors so I can do the mix/match of PJs and Govs for open/closed and then PJs alone for open/closed. (Yeah, Doug, I know you don't believe in mixing, but I gott try ;).

Never owned a 4x12; is the wiring harness usually setup so the top 2/bottom 2 are wired serial, and then the pair in parallel? Or is it parallel and then series.? I'm hoping for the former, so it would be more balanced in the parallel matchup with mixed speakers. a 4x12 cab with open/close back option could you tell me which cabinet builder company can do this?

[Gearhead]

Originally posted by mxr2000
a 4x12 cab with open/close back option could you tell me which cabinet builder company can do this?

Jenkins Sound Shop:

http://www.jenkinssoundshop.com/html/jss412.html

[Tomo]

Originally posted by carltonh
Here is an attempt to sum up the whole thread:

Roccaforte's opinions are the most common. PJs for 4x12s, Governors for 2x12s, and Tonkers are a cleaner but full bodied British sound option. Peters and a few others find the Tonker a little harsh in the treble for modern high gain, Roccaforte disagrees, others are on both sides. These are the ones that people seem to love the most, but that may in part be because they are the ones more people have tried, but haven't tried many others. The Governors are like a smoother, more balanced V30 without the upper mid hump, and the PJ is like a Greenback. The Tonker has been compared to a Classic Lead 80, but a somewhat more subdued, but tighter bass response, and a very immediate clear attack, usually described in a good way.

Swamp Thang is a very full, bass and lower mid strong American tone, recommended by Tomo and others for Fender open backs, but someone tried a 4x12 of them with a Mesa and it was too strong in the lower mids and sounded muddy and lost in the mix.

The Cannabis Rex is a very thick midrange speaker, some people think it is good for jazz to classic rock.

The Texas Heat and R,W,& B are similar all-purpose fat sounding speakers, also useful for British tones too. The R,W,& B has more midrange of the two, more than Tomo prefers. David Barber decided to use the Texas Heats as standard after trying many of these new Eminence speakers.

The Red Fang is very Celestion Blue like. Most people notice a slight difference compared to the Blue, and the difference is one of slight personal preference, usually more slight than the price difference compared to the Blue.

The best "all-purpose" speakers that don't sacrifice tone seem to be the Governor, Tonker, Texas Heat, and R,W,& B in no particular order. Other speakers including 10"s haven't had many comments, other than general praise for the Rajin' Cajun, but not much comparison to other speakers.


Great summary. Thank you for your time.

I just would like to say that I am very happy with Eminence
Speakers. These made my playing far better. Great
choices, just great.

The Swamp thang is great for one 12 or 2 12. But it has
huge bottom, so if the amp got already voiced very fat
, you may want to get Texas Heat or Screaming Eagle(great
replacement for Fender Hot Rod Deluxe. ) SE got beautiful
top end. Hot Rod voiced very bassy so this will clean up.

Yes, Texas Heat is very good choice for Blues/Rock
fat tone, well balanced tone. I don't like any color. I
prefer kind of flat tone(still sexy tone)so I can put my color
on it. I can see someone put this as standard(American tone)

Red Fang is very cool sounding sp. I have these in my Bob Burt
cab, beautiful pine wood cab. great natural distortion. I use
my Fuchs 50/Tomo mod. Great balance top to bottom.

Like Doug's preference. The Governor is king!
I am sure everybody loves this. Great great tone.
If someone isn't sure which speaker to get?
GET THIS! just great. I have these in my Pro Reverb.
Great clean tone too.


The Tonker, I loved it when I heard this at NAMM 2004.
My instinct was right. I have these in my Pro Reverb #2.
Funk, Jazz, Blues, Country.. Great for all kind of music.

For 10s. I have been using Copperhead for while. I went
back to the Rajin Cajun in my Princeton reverb. I prefer RC
over CH. I have Ramrod too.

carltonh, Which one do you like?
Great review!


I can't wait NAMM 2005

[carltonh]

Tomo,

Actually, the only new Eminence I have played is the Texas Heat, and it will probably be the one I buy eventually, but I don't really need any more speakers. So my summary was not really personal experience, just a summation of what was written here since I've been reading it from the beginning.

I forgot about the Screaming Eagle. However, I didn't remember enough posts on it in here to give a relative summary of it.

Another point is that some of the Legend series are quite good too... in certain applications. For example I have a Legend V12 (Custom 4 ohm version in a Pritchard amp) that is great in a 1x12 amp with plenty of power, but I wouldn't like it in a 4x12 or a closed back 2x12. It needs power to sound great, and so wouldn't be a first choice in an open back 2x12 either.

The Legend 151 15" speaker is incredible, and from what I hear, the new Big Ben 15" would be darker and not as well rounded as the 151.

[Jarrett]

Thanks Carlton. I recently heard the Tonkers and felt that they sounded like ***.

The PJ's are interesting though. And the Govenors too if they don't have that bothersome upper mid thang going.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Jarrett
Thanks Carlton. I recently heard the Tonkers and felt that they sounded like ***.

The PJ's are interesting though. And the Govenors too if they don't have that bothersome upper mid thang going.





There's nothing wrong with the Govenors midrange,
I have a bunch out on tour, and zero complaints.
Personally, I think they're one of the best
speakers I've played through
in the past 30yrs.Doug

[Lonely Raven]

Anyone using any particular Emi for high gain metal with a
good heavy tube amp?

I'm waiting on my Peters to be finished up. I have a pair of
Tonkers, pair of Private Jacks, Pair of Weber Blue Dogs,
and an old Avatar with G12H30 and Greenback mix, as well as
a Weber Texas 15". I'm going to weed through and see
what sound best with my Peters in open and more likely closed
cabs and probably ditch what I don't need.

Any other Emi's I should try out?

[JamesPeters]

I'd personally recommend the Governor to try first, L.R. They seem like they'd be the closest match to what I've intended for the amp.

I'm not a huge fan of the Tonker speaker for high gain amps. At higher volumes I think it's nice but it's really open sounding. Moreso than most guitar speakers appreciated for use with high gain amps like this. You might like it but I'm not sure how forward you want the upper mids/treble to sound.

[Lonely Raven]

Thanks James. Judging from what everyone else about those,
they were on my list to try.

Unfortunatly I don't care for the Tonkers as much as others
did, but I'm going to leave off my final judgement till the
amp shows up. Maybe pushing them harder then a Princeton
Reverb with a pedal can do will make it sound better? LOL

[Tomo]

Originally posted by carltonh
Tomo,

Actually, the only new Eminence I have played is the Texas Heat, and it will probably be the one I buy eventually, but I don't really need any more speakers. So my summary was not really personal experience, just a summation of what was written here since I've been reading it from the beginning.

I forgot about the Screaming Eagle. However, I didn't remember enough posts on it in here to give a relative summary of it.

Another point is that some of the Legend series are quite good too... in certain applications. For example I have a Legend V12 (Custom 4 ohm version in a Pritchard amp) that is great in a 1x12 amp with plenty of power, but I wouldn't like it in a 4x12 or a closed back 2x12. It needs power to sound great, and so wouldn't be a first choice in an open back 2x12 either.

The Legend 151 15" speaker is incredible, and from what I hear, the new Big Ben 15" would be darker and not as well rounded as the 151.




Hi Carltonh,

Thank you for telling me your experience.
That's great if you don't have to change. Stick
to what you love. I know you wrote a wonderful
summary of this thread. Great job!

Th Screaming Eagle, personally I love this tone.
It's easy to play subtle nuance with picking. great
for funk playing. Very bright but has nice bottom
too. but I love the Governor tone too. that's bigger
and full.

I liked the Legend series too. Legend 121.

I thought Big Ben was pretty bright enough
(at NAMM 2004) I never heard 151. I don't own 15's.
I have enough 12s and 10s. I shouldn't go 15s.

Anyway, I love my Eminence.


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Tomo
Hi Carltonh,

Thank you for telling me your experience.
That's great if you don't have to change. Stick
to what you love. I know you wrote a wonderful
summary of this thread. Great job!

Th Screaming Eagle, personally I love this tone.
It's easy to play subtle nuance with picking. great
for funk playing. Very bright but has nice bottom
too. but I love the Governor tone too. that's bigger
and full.

I liked the Legend series too. Legend 121.

I thought Big Ben was pretty bright enough
(at NAMM 2004) I never heard 151. I don't own 15's.
I have enough 12s and 10s. I shouldn't go 15s.

Anyway, I love my Eminence.


Tomo





I agree!

I have a 64 Pro thats been heavily modified,
I put a Big Ben in place of the Jensen,
the Big Ben is still in there.
Huge sounding speaker. Doug

[Stu_N]

I have read through all the posts but may have missed a few, lol 78 pages makin my eyes water.

Has anyone tried the Gov or tonker in a closed back single 12 cab. I have a Laney AOR single 12 combo with a celestion 12L in it now and am thinkin of trying one of the new EMI's


BTW Just found this site and lov all the usefull info

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Stu_N
I have read through all the posts but may have missed a few, lol 78 pages makin my eyes water.

Has anyone tried the Gov or tonker in a closed back single 12 cab. I have a Laney AOR single 12 combo with a celestion 12L in it now and am thinkin of trying one of the new EMI's


BTW Just found this site and lov all the usefull info





To answer your question, yes.
The Gov and Tonk both sound
very similar, however the bass
response of the Tonker is huge,
tight, and doen't compress as much
as the Govenor.
The Tonker is much louder too.
Other than that, the overall tone/response
is very similar. Doug

[Stu_N]

Thanks Doug, I was concerned about using them in a small closed back cabinet, from my limited knowlege I understand that bass response could suffer with the wrong speaker.

I have toyed with the idea of making a new box for the amp and making it a little larger as it really is small... though thats also one of the benifits a nice sized package for shlepping around .

From the sounds of this thread it doesnt sound like there are many bad choices with this line of speakers.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Stu_N
Thanks Doug, I was concerned about using them in a small closed back cabinet, from my limited knowlege I understand that bass response could suffer with the wrong speaker.

I have toyed with the idea of making a new box for the amp and making it a little larger as it really is small... though thats also one of the benifits a nice sized package for shlepping around .

From the sounds of this thread it doesnt sound like there are many bad choices with this line of speakers.





So far, eveything I've tried from them rocks!

[guitguy28]

Just thought I'd say a few things abut the Cannabis Rex. I built a 1x 12 cab for it, semi-open back (basically a copy of the Boogie Recto 1x12), and I have the 8 ohm version. I use it with a Strat and Les Paul, and the amps I run through the cab are a Fender Pro Jr. and Blue Angel. I prefer a lower-mid gain, bluesy/classic rock kind of sound and get most of the driven tone from turning the amp up and then boosting it slightly with a pedal.

The C-Rex, I bought used and it already had a couple of good hours of playing on it, but it was basically like new.

Anyway I must say I'm very, very pleased with this speaker. it's very full-sounding and warm. There's not any overbearing high frequencies, which was the main thing I was looking for- to turn my amps up and not have any shrillness to the sound.
I wasn't sure what kind of a sound the hemp-cone would give me, but it just sounds normal to me, not dark or muffled like I was kind of expecting (after having read some reviews of the Tone Tubbys). It sounds just as nice on clean tones as overdriven ones.

I understand that it gets better as you play it more but I'm happy with the sound already and have only played it for a couple of hours or so.

[Zero]

I've been playing around with this "Swamp Thang" that I bought a few pages back. I absolutely hate it with my Marshall 3203 but found that my Peavey Rock Master/Classic 50-50 rack set-up sounds pretty good with it. It's still isn't broken in yet either.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Zero
I've been playing around with this "Swamp Thang" that I bought a few pages back. I absolutely hate it with my Marshall 3203 but found that my Peavey Rock Master/Classic 50-50 rack set-up sounds pretty good with it. It's still isn't broken in yet either.







Every speaker will sound different with every amp,
that's why its good we have choices!
Doug

[carltonh]

I finally did get a Texas Heat, and I'm quite happy with it. What suprised me most was the huge bass response in a 1x12 open back cab. It is just as able to give that ground shaking, pant vibrating, artery clearing bass response you'd expect out of a good 4x12.

My main question was whether it will be good for classic Marshall sounds, because none of the TH users addressed that specifically so far. It does work great for this with certain limitations. You would turn the midrange up on the amp, and not expect to get much speaker break up at all. But if you can get your classic Marshall midrange and break up without needing the speaker to add the extra British cone coloring, this can do just great. If I were to compare it to a Celestion, I think it would be most like a Classic Lead 80. People have said the Tonker is like the CL80, but with less bottom end, so in some ways the Texas Heat may be more like a CL80 than the Tonker, but a little cleaner than both.

The tone of this seems to be great for jazz. That was the first and immediate impression, even though I'm not a jazz player. But add some overdrive and\or lay in to it with your pick attack and this really rocks. I see why EarCandy Cabs called this a SRV speaker.

Another thought was that Tomo said the Swamp Thang had even more lows that the TH. Assuming that is true, then I think the Swamp Thang would have too much for most applications, as I can't imagine having any stronger bass response being a good thing except for a few open back Fender styles played with a Strat or Tele....like Tomo plays.

Anyone looking for a versatile but clean speaker should try this out. For those like James Peters who thought the Tonker a little too bright for high gain should check this out. I imagine that the Mesa Boogie Dual Rec players and such might love this, but wouldn't pigeon hole this speaker for that. Still, I could imagine John Petrucci using these and getting as full a sound with a half stack as he currently (or recently) uses 3 full stacks on stage to get.

That this speaker is lighter and cheaper than most of the new models shouldn't make anyone think it is a budget model. Is it perfect? Not absolutely perfect for me. I'd like slightly more break up, probably a cross between this and a Governor.

[junkman]

anyone looking to trade

[vagn]

Great thread , I must admit I didnt read it all

Someone told me that the "Private Jack" is like a Greenback but just with higher wattage, can it be confirmed?

What is the difference/sim between the Tonker and the "private Jack"?

Ill have to change the V30s in my 2X12 and Im looing for something less harsh and full sounding. Like a greenback.
My amps is a Tarynor ala fender tweed deluxe and a YBA-1 (plexi50)

Thanks

[vagn]

...

[Boogs]

Originally posted by guitguy28


The C-Rex, I bought used and it already had a couple of good hours of playing on it, but it was basically like new.

Anyway I must say I'm very, very pleased with this speaker. it's very full-sounding and warm. There's not any overbearing high frequencies, which was the main thing I was looking for- to turn my amps up and not have any shrillness to the sound.
.

i love mine more every day, with every guitar and every style.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Boogs
i love mine more every day, with every guitar and every style.







It seems like there's a trend here, everyone loves the new speakers! I know I do. Doug

[Down and Out in NYC]

Havent seen much in this thread about Black Powders. They kick ass in combination with either governers or private jacks. Has anybody had any luck running them by themselves ?

[John II]

Guys-

Thanks for all of this tremendous information. I have been eyeing the Eminence speakers for some time. After reading this thread, I pulled the trigger and purchased from www.avatarspeakers.com a "Tonker" and a "Red Fang". One for each of my Traynor Custom Valve 40 1x12 combo amps. These will replace the Celestion 70/80's that the amp came with.

Dave confirmed that they will be a huge improvement over the 70/80's. I think I will have the best of both worlds with the all-around "great sounding" Tonker and the "Voxy" Red Fang.

Can't wait.

~John II

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by daoinnyc
Havent seen much in this thread about Black Powders. They kick ass in combination with either governers or private jacks. Has anybody had any luck running them by themselves ? This is my first post on the forum! :BEER


I'm interested if anyone has any experience with using the Black Powders by themselves as well.

I'm about ready to purchase a new 2x12 cab.

I'm thinking of going with one of the following combinations:

2 Governors
or
1 Governor and 1 Black Powder
or
2 Black Powders
or
1 Governor and 1 Private Jack

I know that the Governor is supposed to be similar to a Vintage 30, but smoother, and less directional. And I know that the Private jack is supposed to be similar to a Greenback.

Since I'm most familiar with the Celestions, is there one that the Black Powder is similar to as a point of reference?


I play mostly thrash, death, and metal-core styles.

I need tight, percussive palm mutes.

I'm not sure which way to go here, and I'm anxious to place the order. :BOUNCE

I hope someone can help.

[Down and Out in NYC]

Hey Grind Cruncher, I own two 2x12 cabs. Both made by earcandy. One is ported and loaded with a Guv and a powder. The other has a removable back, no ports and is loaded with a Private Jack and a powder. Both cabs cab kill for the kind of music. I think I'm partial to the ported cab. I'm not sure if it has to do with the speaker combination or the ports. I've pushed the Gov/powder loaded cab by itself at rehearsals and it excelled at tight, percussive, muted grooves. At lower volumes the Gov seems to overpower the powder just a lil bit, but I havent noticed it while giging.

[cerebralpaul]

I'm looking for a speaker for 1x12 open back Fargen Blackbird, I want more bottom end than the Weber Cali has- I'm looking at the Texas Heat and the Swamp Thing, any thoughts are welcome
Thanks

[big mike]

Swamp Thing is almost TOO much low end, but it is nice. Single coils or HB's?

[cerebralpaul]

Single coils mostly, I use pedals regularly also- I like the "transparent" character of the Calis in that they don't add any of their own breakup, but when I plugged my amp into a closed-back 2x12 with Calis I realized how much bottom end I was missing. Using a seperate 2x12 is a viable option at times but for when I can't I'd like to simulate that response with the speaker in the 1x12. It appears that the Swamp Thing has more of that "transparent" vibe going on than the Texas Heat which is supposed to have a "touch of British" sound...

[big mike]

ST likely a good choice for you then.

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by daoinnyc
Hey Grind Cruncher, I own two 2x12 cabs. Both made by earcandy. One is ported and loaded with a Guv and a powder. The other has a removable back, no ports and is loaded with a Private Jack and a powder. Both cabs cab kill for the kind of music. I think I'm partial to the ported cab. I'm not sure if it has to do with the speaker combination or the ports. I've pushed the Gov/powder loaded cab by itself at rehearsals and it excelled at tight, percussive, muted grooves. At lower volumes the Gov seems to overpower the powder just a lil bit, but I havent noticed it while giging. Maybe you could try temporarily plugging the ports to see if that really is the difference your hearing.

What do you think of me mixing a Swamp Thang with a Governor?


Thanks! :D

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by Grind Cruncher
Maybe you could try temporarily plugging the ports to see if that really is the difference your hearing.

What do you think of me mixing a Swamp Thang with a Governor?


Thanks! :D I just noticed that looking at the graph provided on the Eminence web site, that the Governor has a little more bass than the Swamp Thang! What the... :confused: :jo

[big mike]

Originally posted by Grind Cruncher
I just noticed that looking at the graph provided on the Eminence web site, that the Governor has a little more bass than the Swamp Thang! What the... :confused: :jo

Doesn't sound that way to me. <shrug>

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by big mike blues
Doesn't sound that way to me. <shrug> I guess those graphs are basically worthless, and if I have to purchase both speakers just to find the difference for myself, that's ridicules! :NUTS

[Down and Out in NYC]

Hey GC, I spent way too much time studying and comparing those graphs. I'm never lookin at em again. With that said, I never looked at the graph for the swampthing. I wasnt interested in that speaker. was already convinced on the powder and wanted to add a V30 type speaker, hence the Gov.
I plugged my head, an HD 147 into my my buddys cab and didnt like how it sounded with the swampthing. It reacts much better too his Mark IV. Huge bass, I think the bass was a lil to prominent and rounded. Depending on what kind of amp your using a swamp & a gov would PROBABLY work really well together. The way the powder was described to me it sounded exactly like what I was lookin for. The dude who built my cab never mixed gov's & powders before that and he was also quite impressed with the combination. He was the one who sold me on the powder. Even though it is basically the companies budget speaker in the new line, he convinced me that it excels for METAL. I think hes right.
A lil bit of topic but what kinda cab u gettin ?

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by daoinnyc
Hey GC, I spent way too much time studying and comparing those graphs. I'm never lookin at em again. With that said, I never looked at the graph for the swampthing. I wasnt interested in that speaker. was already convinced on the powder and wanted to add a V30 type speaker, hence the Gov.
I plugged my head, an HD 147 into my my buddys cab and didnt like how it sounded with the swampthing. It reacts much better too his Mark IV. Huge bass, I think the bass was a lil to prominent and rounded. Depending on what kind of amp your using a swamp & a gov would PROBABLY work really well together. The way the powder was described to me it sounded exactly like what I was lookin for. The dude who built my cab never mixed gov's & powders before that and he was also quite impressed with the combination. He was the one who sold me on the powder. Even though it is basically the companies budget speaker in the new line, he convinced me that it excels for METAL. I think hes right.
A lil bit of topic but what kinda cab u gettin ? The cab will be used with my 5150 II. I just received it yesterday, and haven't even got to flip the switch on it yet, so I'm not too sure how it is in the low-end department. For right now it will be run with a Marshall 1960a.

As for the new 2x12 cab, I've been looking into Avatar, Ear Candy, and Splawn.

If you have any thoughts on which speakers to use with the 5150 II, please let me know.

It seems that going with two Governors would be the safest way to go, unless I can get more understanding on the other speakers, and find that one of them might be better for me.


Thanks!

[Down and Out in NYC]

Have you checked out the speaker description section on the earcandy web site. I found it very helpful. If your thinkin about ordering a cab from them, contact Tim via e mail. He seems very knowledgable on the subject of speakers, cabinets and tone. Let him no what kinda music you play and the gear you use or plan on using and he will give you appropriate speaker recomendations. I've ordered a couple cabs from him and they kill. Hes the one who convinced me on checking out the powders in the 1st place. His customer service is bar none the best I've ever gotten. His cabinets aint half bad either :D One of thier ported 2x12's would kill with that amp.
You prob couldnt go wrong with a splawn cab either. I believe they were loading thier cabs with a combination of the new emi's also. I also believe they have a speaker model custom voiced to there specs.

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by daoinnyc
Have you checked out the speaker description section on the earcandy web site. I found it very helpful. If your thinkin about ordering a cab from them, contact Tim via e mail. He seems very knowledgable on the subject of speakers, cabinets and tone. Let him no what kinda music you play and the gear you use or plan on using and he will give you appropriate speaker recomendations. I've ordered a couple cabs from him and they kill. Hes the one who convinced me on checking out the powders in the 1st place. His customer service is bar none the best I've ever gotten. His cabinets aint half bad either :D One of thier ported 2x12's would kill with that amp.
You prob couldnt go wrong with a splawn cab either. I believe they were loading thier cabs with a combination of the new emi's also. I also believe they have a speaker model custom voiced to there specs. I finally got to play my new 5150 II for the first time today, and I really like it! :dude

I'm using it with my stock Marshall 1960a, and using that as a reference, I'd say that I could easily go with some darker sounding speakers.

Still undecided over what speakers to get loaded in my new 2x12;

2 Govs
or
1 Gov and 1 Swamp

:confused:

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by Grind Cruncher
I finally got to play my new 5150 II for the first time today, and I really like it! :dude

I'm using it with my stock Marshall 1960a, and using that as a reference, I'd say that I could easily go with some darker sounding speakers.

Still undecided over what speakers to get loaded in my new 2x12;

2 Govs
or
1 Gov and 1 Swamp

:confused: bump

[Grind Cruncher]

Originally posted by Grind Cruncher
I finally got to play my new 5150 II for the first time today, and I really like it! :dude

I'm using it with my stock Marshall 1960a, and using that as a reference, I'd say that I could easily go with some darker sounding speakers.

Still undecided over what speakers to get loaded in my new 2x12;

2 Govs
or
1 Gov and 1 Swamp

:confused:
:horse

[big mike]

Originally posted by Grind Cruncher
:horse

2 Govs. Governors are the shiznit. Plenty of lows, nice balenced tone, don't think you'd really need the ST in there.

[Cobra]

I just put a Texas Heat in my Z28 1x12 combo last night after a Governor was in there for some time. The Gov is nicely broken in, while the Texas Heat is brand new. Kinda hard to do an accurate A/B comparo, with the time it takes to swap them out, & the heat is still stiff & somewhat strident with only about an hour of flogging under it's belt. It sounds kinda spikey & fizzy in the highs, but I'll wait & see how it improves over time. I have a Tonker to try out later, & now I'm gassing for a Swamp Thing. My main axe is a Lentz T, which I love, but it's a bright guitar, so I'm looking for the speaker that matches best.

[Jack Walker]

I play a G & L Asat through a Z28. I had the same brightness issues with my Zbest Cabinet. I originally had a Red Fang/V30 in it. I removed the V30 and replaced it with a Tonker. No more problem.

[John II]

Well I ordered a pair of Governors, installed them in the Germino, and broke them in for 10 hours with my high powered Adcom HiFi system.


How did you do this? Please elaborate as I have a Tonker and a Red Fang to to arrive any minute and would love to break them in using my stereo if possible.

Thanks.

~John II

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Braciola
Right before this thread started I was in the process of ordering a Bogner 4X12 cabinet.
I spent alot of time and effort experimenting with mixing & matching different celestions in a 2X12 I had to see what combination I liked best before special ordering the Bogner.
It turned out that the popular Vintage 30 & G12H30 combo worked best for me.
I reallty didn't "love" either one of these speakers buy them selves, but when paired, one seemed to fill in the frequency gap the other was lacking. I was happy with my findings an ordered the Bogner 4X12 with (2) Vintage 30's & (2) G12H30's.
I had been playing through the Bogner for sometime, and was VERY happy with the way it sounded.

I recently purchased a Germino 2X12 from a forum member that came to me loaded with Classic Lead 80's.
After playing the cabinet a bit, I was very dissapointed in the sound.
Not really digging Classic Lead 80's in the first place, I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to try some of the new Eminence speakers that everyone was praising before giving up on the Germino.
I read through this thread and thought the Governors would be the best choice to start out with.

I must tell you that having played Eminence in the past, and I was VERY skeptical to say the least.

Well I ordered a pair of Governors, installed them in the Germino, and broke them in for 10 hours with my high powered Adcom HiFi system.
When I hooked the cabinet up to my amp, I knew within a few minutes that I had something very special.
There were no annoying frequecy peaks anywhere.
There were no noticable frequency dips anywhere.
The tone was very balaced.
For higher gain, the tone was just agressive enough, yet still warm and pleasing.
Wow, after years of toying with different Celestions, I could finally say that I have found a speaker I am very happy with.
So happy, that I bought (4) more Governors that I put into my special ordered Bogner 4X12.
That cabinet sounded great before, now it sounds spectacular!

When I first ordered the Governors, I wasn't expecting to like them as much as I did, and thought I would soon be ordering some Tonkers, private Jacks, and others to try, but I am SOOOOO satisfied with the Governors I have no desire to try anything else.











I'm with you all the way. I was never a huge Eminence fan in the past, and the Celest 80's weren't it for me either.

These new Eminence speakers are one of the best things to happen to us in a long time. You hear so many new sounds coming from them. They are now one of my favorite speakers.
Doug

[Mike]

I tried Tonkers with my Two-Rocks 1x12 and 2x12 -- fantastic. I just put in a Swamp Thang in my Burt 1x12 slant baffle cab, and... WOW. Best 1x12 cab/speaker combination I have ever heard, by a country mile. I have tried at least two dozen cab/speaker combinations to solve the 1x12 puzzle, and I'm finally satisfied.

It's wierd, I don't "want" to try anything else in there. It's perfect. Tonker would be my #2 choice for a 1x12, but I like the bigger bass for jazz stuff, and the Thang still sounds great with OD - check out Scott Lerner's clip for an example of that.

I just read Terry Buddingh's GP review of all the new Eminence speakers. Good job Terry! All those superlatives ... you must be a contributing writer or something! Terry's description of the Tonker and Swamp Thang match what I hear, except he describes all these narrow frequency dips and all, which is beyond my level of discernment and descriptive ability.

But boy are these things satisfying. And the pricing is great. And they make the 65's for Two-Rock too. They deserve huge success.

Mike

[dbeeman]

Mike...

I tried the Tonkers with my Onyx and found it to be" too much of a good thing"

The Mid emphasis of the 2 R and the pronounced upper mids of the Tonkers sounded a liitle canned / megaphonish

What 2R did you use them with? Settings? Guitar?

[HeeHaw]

Originally posted by carltonh
Here is an attempt to sum up the whole thread:

Roccaforte's opinions are the most common. PJs for 4x12s, Governors for 2x12s, and Tonkers are a cleaner but full bodied British sound option. Peters and a few others find the Tonker a little harsh in the treble for modern high gain, Roccaforte disagrees, others are on both sides. These are the ones that people seem to love the most, but that may in part be because they are the ones more people have tried, but haven't tried many others. The Governors are like a smoother, more balanced V30 without the upper mid hump, and the PJ is like a Greenback. The Tonker has been compared to a Classic Lead 80, but a somewhat more subdued, but tighter bass response, and a very immediate clear attack, usually described in a good way.

Swamp Thang is a very full, bass and lower mid strong American tone, recommended by Tomo and others for Fender open backs, but someone tried a 4x12 of them with a Mesa and it was too strong in the lower mids and sounded muddy and lost in the mix.

The Cannabis Rex is a very thick midrange speaker, some people think it is good for jazz to classic rock.

The Texas Heat and R,W,& B are similar all-purpose fat sounding speakers, also useful for British tones too. The R,W,& B has more midrange of the two, more than Tomo prefers. David Barber decided to use the Texas Heats as standard after trying many of these new Eminence speakers.

The Red Fang is very Celestion Blue like. Most people notice a slight difference compared to the Blue, and the difference is one of slight personal preference, usually more slight than the price difference compared to the Blue.

The best "all-purpose" speakers that don't sacrifice tone seem to be the Governor, Tonker, Texas Heat, and R,W,& B in no particular order. Other speakers including 10"s haven't had many comments, other than general praise for the Rajin' Cajun, but not much comparison to other speakers. Thank you, I have been reading for an hour now, and need to go spend some time with my children.:D

[cerebralpaul]

Is the Texas Heat like a c12n?

[pol]

anybody knows what eminence speakers are used in the diezel cabs ? I know they are custom made for diezel, but what speakers would these be close too ?

[ericb]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by carltonh


The Cannabis Rex is a very thick midrange speaker, some people think it is good for jazz to classic rock.


Just for the record, I don't agree with that statement much at all.. I guess I'm not really sure what they're trying to say , but my assessment of the Cannabis Rex would surely not to call it a thick midrange speaker.. It's EXTREMELY balanced across the tonal spectrum with a great feel to it, and nothing in the way of prominent frequencies. If there were any prominent freq's they be in the lo-mids I think ,and then when used with hi-mid oriented amps like Demeters, Thd's , Marshalls,etc it sounds totally great with no mid-emphasis. Also I don't play jazz or classic rock too often but I do play everything from blues, fusion, heavy metal, nu-metal, alt-rock, psychedelic rock,etc,etc thru them and they sound great.

ERIC

[BFC]

BTW, a single Cannabis Rex sounds great pounded by a Flexi 50. This speaker needs to be hit pretty hard to get the most out of it. Makes the Flexi's guitar volume response really come to life.

[carltonh]

Just for the record, I don't agree with that statement much at all.. I guess I'm not really sure what they're trying to say , but my assessment of the Cannabis Rex would surely not to call it a thick midrange speaker.
Then your probably more right than I was. I was just trying to sum up remembered opinions, but that's one I still haven't heard. Though the term "balanced" can mean many things to different people. Some Death Metal person may call the G12T-75s balanced and a Governor mid-focused. Classic rockers would call the Governor balanced and the G12T-75s mid scooped. So "balanced" really is only useful knowing the person's background tone and style.

[Mike]

dbeeman,

I can see how you could get that result out of that combination. My favorite Tonker was a Custom Reverb thru a 1x12 Two Rock cab. Played my 335 (middy guitar for sure), my 61 strat (really nice, as you can imagine), and my '67 tele (the best of all). So maybe in retrospect there were mids in the speaker that complemented the single coil axes....

My H30's are more even through the mids than the Tonker for sure, but there's 2 of them! I just love tonker lows. You might want to try a Swamp Thang with the Onyx - less of "those" mids, I think, although I have not a/b'd them.

For a 2x12 application it's still hard to beat H30's. Have you checked out the clips on my site? There is an Onyx clip there thru the 2x12 H30's. I think it's beautiful. In fact, all my Two-Rock clips are through the same cab.

Mike

[vagn]

It was mentioned:
4X12 = Private Jacks
2X12 = govonors

But why not private jacks in 2X12, they can handle it.
What would be missing and for what sound.
How are these speakers on clean sounds , is there alot of mids or is it just fine?

[ericb]

Originally posted by BFC
BTW, a single Cannabis Rex sounds great pounded by a Flexi 50. This speaker needs to be hit pretty hard to get the most out of it. Makes the Flexi's guitar volume response really come to life.

ABSOLUTELY DOES... It's absolutely great with the Flexi .. Same with my Demeter, Orange, Marshalls, Engls, all kinds of amps! ERIC

[rh]

Originally posted by ericb
ABSOLUTELY DOES... It's absolutely great with the Flexi .. Same with my Demeter, Orange, Marshalls, Engls, all kinds of amps! ERIC

This thread is killing me.

I've got a 35w tweedish (Pro/Super/Bandmaster) and a 2x12 THD-alike. Sounds like a Tonker and a Cann. Rex would be a nice mix (want great cleans, balance, detail, fatness, and no ice pick).

I haven't seen that combo mentioned yet (but I've got 1,000 posts to go... :()

[BFC]

Originally posted by rhuddleston
This thread is killing me.

I've got a 35w tweedish (Pro/Super/Bandmaster) and a 2x12 THD-alike. Sounds like a Tonker and a Cann. Rex would be a nice mix (want great cleans, balance, detail, fatness, and no ice pick).

I haven't seen that combo mentioned yet (but I've got 1,000 posts to go... :()

I would like to hear a Cannabis Rex and a Texas Heat together. Those are my two favorites and I have a hunch they would be great together. I've been wrong before though.

[ericb]

Originally posted by BFC
I would like to hear a Cannabis Rex and a Texas Heat together. Those are my two favorites and I have a hunch they would be great together. I've been wrong before though.

It's funny but I've mixed/matched speakers for years. Almost all my cabs have mixed speakers and I was 1 of the 1st on the internet to write about my experiences with the Weber B and S speakers mixed (P12b and p12s, and C12b and c12s) and then cab makers started using that combo. BUT , I have 2 Cannabis Rexes in a cabinet right now and dozens of other speakers sitting here including the Tonker, Red Fang, lots of Celes, Harry Joyce,Naylors , Revs, etc but I have absolutely no desire (0%) of mixing another type speaker with that Cannabis Rex in this cabinet at this point.. It's a Naylor open backed 2x12 and I've tried LOADS of combinations in there and hadn't liked anything before the Cannabis Rex... For the longest time I used 1 CR in there and the other hole was filled with a Red Fang, but not wired up.. I tried it with the hole open (i.e. detuned) and it was good, but best was with another speaker in it, but not hooked up.. Tried the Red Fang/CR combo, and 2 CR's is just better for me.... I'm ONLY talking about in this cabinet and for my tastes/styles of playing which range from Hendrixy to punky hard rock , to bluesy fusion but they do it for me. Maybe I should just start selling my dozens of speakers and buying all CR"s???? Part of me wants to do it, but part of me says maybe it's just how my ears are hearing things NOW and being a rock guitarist I know my ears are constantly changing! Who knows.. .. .

ERIC

[vagn]

Originally posted by vagn
It was mentioned:
4X12 = Private Jacks
2X12 = govonors

But why not private jacks in 2X12, they can handle it.
What would be missing and for what sound.
How are these speakers on clean sounds , is there alot of mids or is it just fine?

Ill ansver myself with Dougs ansver from page 48 :eek: ;)
Ill go and order Govonors for my 2X12 tomorrow ,
but please give inputs if you think its worth combining two different.
I play strat and the only thing i fear is that my sound has too much upmedium or boomy bass at 100hz.
This is a great thread , and its a great forum:hiP

Vagn:hiP :hiP:)

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by vagn
It was mentioned:
4X12 = Private Jacks
2X12 = govonors

But why not private jacks in 2X12, they can handle it.
What would be missing and for what sound.
How are these speakers on clean sounds , is there alot of mids or is it just fine?





Two private jacks can only handle it,
depending on what "it" is.
You'd probably overheat a pair
of them with a 100wt amp.

[rh]

Originally posted by Tomo
Hi big mike,

That's back of my #1 Pro Reverb. Right now I have Screaming Eagles
and #2 Pro has the Swamp Thang. If you have a 1 12 cab. You 'll
like the Swamp Thang, or the Tonker.

Tomo

Hi Tomo,

The Swamp Thing description by Eminence sounded perfect until I saw where they say it's best for closed cabs. It sounds like you're enjoying them in an open back, though.

Any idea (anyone) what makes a speaker more suited for one cab type than another?

[vagn]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Two private jacks can only handle it,
depending on what "it" is.
You'd probably overheat a pair
of them with a 100wt amp.

Thanks Doug,

I have two nonmaster ampheads of canadian origin (traynor) ,
a yba 2 / Bassmate 25w like tweed deluxe
and a Yba 1 / Bassmaster 50w like JTM 50

Btw Its difficult to judge from clips , to me the govonor clips sounded abit grey, and I really like the gb12 clips though they could be just a little bit fuller sounding on leads but that migth also be the amp.

Another thing is that In france you pay the same for a Eminence speaker as for a Celestion: ca 130 Euros.....yeah!:AOK
so i have to order speakers tomorrrow, all advise is great.

[Mike]

quote:
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Originally posted by Tomo
Hi big mike,

That's back of my #1 Pro Reverb. Right now I have Screaming Eagles
and #2 Pro has the Swamp Thang. If you have a 1 12 cab. You 'll
like the Swamp Thang, or the Tonker.

Tomo
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Hi Tomo,

The Swamp Thing description by Eminence sounded perfect until I saw where they say it's best for closed cabs. It sounds like you're enjoying them in an open back, though.

Any idea (anyone) what makes a speaker more suited for one cab type than another?

rhuddleston,

If I'm not mistaken, Lerner, Tomo, and I are using Swamp Thangs in an open back. At least I am, and I love mine.

Mike

[Marcello]

lot of talking and so few clips :rolleyes:

[tedm]

with a governer in a tweed deluxe, it's a monstrous sound!!


Originally posted by Marcello
lot of talking and so few clips :rolleyes:

[Tomo]

Originally posted by rhuddleston
Hi Tomo,

The Swamp Thing description by Eminence sounded perfect until I saw where they say it's best for closed cabs. It sounds like you're enjoying them in an open back, though.

Any idea (anyone) what makes a speaker more suited for one cab type than another?


Hi Richard,

Yes, they said that..... but I love open back and my Swamp Thang
sound great. Tonker, Governor I love those too. Thanks for
giving me info of Pro Reverb. I bought it! 1965 great condition
and came with Carvin 100 watts speaker which made by Eminence.
great tone like C12N.

My idea of one speaker cab. you want to have a really eficient
driver so the Tonker or the Swamp Thang got 2" voice coil
and bigger magnet so that handle more bottom and extra.

I love all my Eminence speakers. Legend 121s great too!


Tomo

[Tomo]

Originally posted by ToneGurus
rhuddleston,

If I'm not mistaken, Lerner, Tomo, and I are using Swamp Thangs in an open back. At least I am, and I love mine.

Mike


Yes I do. I love mine too.

I got many e-mail from Japan. People bought Eminence from
U.S.

One guy waited 2 months to arrive (by boat)
The Tonker $110 plus $25 shipping. That's not too bad.


Tomo



Tomo

[John II]

Guys-

I finally installed the Tonker and the Red Fang in both of my Traynor YCV40 combos. I spent more time test driving the Tonker because I installed it first. It is a big improvement over the Celestion 70/80. The 70/80's higher frequencies were very harsh to me and the bottom was always undefined and flabby. With the Tonker, these qualities are gone. No harsh highs to be found. As a matter of fact, highs are really pleasing and the lows are big and tight. Overall, a nice, well rounded sound. For the first time, I could get the amp cookin' at around 4-5, point the amp right at my face and really enjoy the tone. The best way to describe what I was hearing is tight, full and round. Big improvement and I'm very happy with this speaker. Also, it KILLED with my overdrive pedals. The graininess I always had to tolerate when using my Hot Cake pedal is gone. Instead, the Hot Cake and the Tonker sounded HUGE together. Sounded great with the Barber Direct Drive SS too.

As soon as I tried the Red Fang I could hear the British voicing this speaker is known for. It seems to accentuate the upper mids to product that Voxy chime. I did find that the higher frequencies are a bit harsh now, but I am sure this will calm down once it is broken in. The big Alnico magnet produces a warmer sound than the Tonker and it really reacts to digging into the strings. Very articulate. This speaker also handled the overdrives beautifully. So far, I think outside of the accentuated upper mids, the Red Fang is similar in voice to the 70/80.

Right now, if I had to choose one, I would choose the Tonker because it covers the full spectrum of tones so well.

~John II

[vagn]

Hello Im Bumping this incredible thread that I have now read
1 1/2 time.
However not many mentions the style of music they do or how the Speakers breaks up in 2X12 or in 4X12

Anyway thats not meant as a complaint but an excuse for asking ;)

After all the good publicity here on the govornors Im off to order two of them tomorrow, even if they are more expensive than Celestion here in EU:dude
:eek: DOOH! (and more than the double of the US price)
Anyway therefor rude questions to come:

1:
How do you find the breakup on Two Govonors for normal clubuse , with a 30watt amp f ex
Im mostly concerned about the rythm sounds that has to hearable with a drummer without beeing sauced up in upper or boomy mids

2: Joel said somthing about them not beeing subtle and about combining with Modeling for a better rythmsound, its very interesting. Does other persons here play crunchy spongy strat rythmparts and what are the speakers?

3:
What speakers do they put in a C30Matchless cause that is the best rythmsound (in the world!)?

4:
How about the Red Fang ? The desciption on the emi site is chimy overtones and chunky bass respons ....Perfect strat speaker?


Thanks !:)

[hasserl]

I installed one Tonker and one Governor into a 2 x 12 open back combo with a 4 x EL84 output and two channels. Channel one is very BF Fenderish and channel two is very 2204 Marshallish with a bit stronger bottom end and more gain. I've been running a single Tonker in a similiar amp that is only 1 x 12 and I love the clear crisp tone of the Tonker and the wonderful bottom end response. I love how it holds together when pushed.

In this 2 x 12 combo the Tonker gives all of that righteous big clean tone and the Governor adds in a bit more mids and compresses and breaks up a bit more complimenting the Tonker very well. The Governor's mids are never harsh or overbearing as some other qwell known speakers can be, and though it breaks up more than the Tonker when pushed it does not flub or fart out.

The sound of the speakers when pushed is very very good, but it is also very very good when running either of these channels in clean mode. Transients are crisp and clear, and the fantastic bottom end of the Tonker works great with the Fenderish channel. I thought the two would compliment each other well and I'm very happy with the results.

[aeolian]

Word is that RF is using Tonkers on the Greg Allman tour. Folks on the east side will get to hear that 100W Dumble cranked up and making a pair of Tonkers work for a living. Let us know how it sounds.

[Sik-Vibrato]

Hi
Im new to this Fourm , I have been reading throught this
amazingly long thread... LOL well not all.

I havent had the chance to get out & try any Eminence speakers
But I have to ask

I have a JCM 800 100 watt non Master Head
Im going to mod it with KT88's Keeping the head clean & Fat
And using Overdrive pedals for the gain

Im Looking for a speaker
that will go well with this set up (Loud, fat , articulate with some vintage Honk & not too compressed)

From what I have read
the Tonker sounds interesting but some guy's say
it's not the best for High Gain , this worries me because I do Like
a very singing liquid lead tone.... at times
(Santana,John Sykes/Michael Schenker,Steve Lukather )


I play alot of clean Hendrixy stuff , Funk, Blues R&B as well

My Dirty Rhythm tones arnt to heavy from Back In Black & a bit
to Southern Rock

Could the Tonker cover this in a 2x12 or 4x12

Or is it more suited to Clean & Moderate gain ?

BTW sorry for the long post :rolleyes:

[el34power]

I have a JCM800/2203. At the moment, i have 2 Greenback RI's in an X patern with 2 Red Fangs. This sound killer (for my use).
It gives me a bit of "blue" when i need it, and a bit of "green" also when i need it. Mr. Roccaforte will recomend 4 private Jacks (greenback flavor). or 2 Governors wich have more "thump" to compensate for having only 2. Wich i think would be your ticket BUT! Emminence just came out with a few new ones. "The Wizard" seems very nice "on paper".

My two cents

[dbeeman]

Tonker is more mid rangey.ForHendrix I woudl gowith Private Jack

But,if you want a Dumbley type mid range - the Tonkers are the ticket

[CitizenCain]

Anyone have a 2x10 setup with Emi speakers?

I'm having a 2x10 cab made using a Delta Demon and Ragin Cajun. From their descriptions, they sound like the ticket for me. Looking for sounds from blues to rockabilly to classic rock. Sundown Artist tube amp, all kinds of pickups.

[big mike]

The new Wizards were KILLER at NAMM. Tomo demo'd all the new speakers, and these were my fav. along with the Governor and Red Fang.

The Wizard is the G12H30 influenced Speaker many have been waiting for. SHWWEEEET!!!

[John II]

Originally posted by Sik-Vibrato
Hi
Im new to this Fourm , I have been reading throught this
amazingly long thread... LOL well not all.

I havent had the chance to get out & try any Eminence speakers
But I have to ask

I have a JCM 800 100 watt non Master Head
Im going to mod it with KT88's Keeping the head clean & Fat
And using Overdrive pedals for the gain

Im Looking for a speaker
that will go well with this set up (Loud, fat , articulate with some vintage Honk & not too compressed)

From what I have read
the Tonker sounds interesting but some guy's say
it's not the best for High Gain , this worries me because I do Like
a very singing liquid lead tone.... at times
(Santana,John Sykes/Michael Schenker,Steve Lukather )


I play alot of clean Hendrixy stuff , Funk, Blues R&B as well

My Dirty Rhythm tones arnt to heavy from Back In Black & a bit
to Southern Rock

Could the Tonker cover this in a 2x12 or 4x12

Or is it more suited to Clean & Moderate gain ?

BTW sorry for the long post :rolleyes:



I have both the Tonker and Red Fang in each of my Traynor Custom Valve 40 1x12 combo amps. I think the Tonger sounds great with high gain settings dialed in. Read my earlier posts where I commment more. It has a balanced frequency response. It will sound different than the Celestions that accentuate the higher frequencies and are more biting. But overall, a great speaker. I like it better than the Red Fang.

Good luck.

~John II

[carltonh]

So Eminence lists seven new guitar speakers on their website. Ya'll have described he Wizard as a good G12H30, but what are the other 6 like?