New Eminence speaker content

[Buckeyedog]

Not sure how they compare quite yet. I want to cover one speaker at a time and hear the differences. I think the Governor is more mid heavy and the Man O War seems to have a slight scoop, so they seem to gel together well. I'll post when I get to experiment more. PJ's sound to me like a more aggressive greenback. I tried a Wizard and thought it was ok, but I was getting some of that "harmonizer" effect at volume. To be fair, I only tried one mixed with the PJ, so I probably didn't give it a really good chance......I just sent it back and got another PJ. Of course this is just all in my basement so far. Haven't got to play them with the band yet. That should be soon.

[bitsandvolts]

Well, if there's any scooping to the man-o-war, than that's not the speaker for me. I'm leaning more in the direction of Gov or more-so the Private Jack, now at this point...

I've got a Red Fang on the way for 1X12...and I suspect, after I get the Red Fang 1X12 done, I'll try a PJ in the other...

[Buckeyedog]

Well, I'm just not sure yet. I need to cover them one at a time and see, all I know is they sound great together. If you like mids, the Governor is a good choice for sure. The PJ has those mids and highs. I like running both cabs together too. Almost makes me want to have a mix like that in my Marshall BX cab.

[chumbucket]

Anybody done the Splawn configuration of 2 Man-O-War's and 2 Governors? He said that he prefers it over 4 MOW because it can be a little bright.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by chumbucket
Anybody done the Splawn configuration of 2 Man-O-War's and 2 Governors? He said that he prefers it over 4 MOW because it can be a little bright.






The MOW's are not brighter than Govenors,
I switched to MOW for everything now.
I still offer the Govenors, but the MOW's
are tops for me.

[kctx2]

Hate to sound negative/frustrated blah blah blah, but I would just about -bite a skunk in the butt- to hear clips of the PJ in an 18 or 30 watt -1x12- configuration. Preferably, Marshall sound, but -anything- would be welcome. Not even Eminence has any clips.

[bitsandvolts]

Originally posted by kctx2
Hate to sound negative/frustrated blah blah blah, but I would just about -bite a skunk in the butt- to hear clips of the PJ in an 18 or 30 watt -1x12- configuration. Preferably, Marshall sound, but -anything- would be welcome. Not even Eminence has any clips.

kctx2, I'm going to do my best to do just that. I've got a handful of 18 watt amps here that will be powering a 1X12 with a Red Fang...and another 1X12 with a PJ....

And I do plan to record clips...it'll be a few weeks, but I'm going to do just that!

[fakeox]

There is a PJ clip in the Scumback shootout. Might have been with an 18 W London 65 but i'm not sure..

[bitsandvolts]

Where's the scumbag shootout?

Edit:

Ahh, found it...

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86870

[Buckeyedog]

Hey Bits, check out Vlad's clips on Harmony Central. He uses a Super Lead into a cab of PJ's. I didn't think the scumbag tests dialed in the PJ's well personally. Although he seems to be losing a little interest in the PJ's, I still think they sound great.

[kctx2]

I'm going to do my best to do just that. I've got a handful of 18 watt amps here that will be powering a 1X12 with a Red Fang...and another 1X12 with a PJ....

And I do plan to record clips...it'll be a few weeks, but I'm going to do just that!

Thankyou, its genuinely appreciated.
Now to find that skunk......

[bitsandvolts]

Buckeyedog,

I've tried to give Vlad's clips a go....it seems his links are now dead... :(

[Buckeyedog]

Bummer...maybe try to send him a pm. He's a cool guy and I think he would maybe post them again or send the to you or something.

[tfunster]

I was hoping someone here could lend some advice (well maybe give it) on helping me choose a new speaker for my Matchless Lightning Clone head. I am currently using it with an open back 1x12 with a Private Jack in it.

It sounds pretty good right now, but there is just too much highs/presence with a slightly honky midrange and lacking lows with the speaker. The cleans are too bright and the distortion is a little fizzy. I know my guitars obviously play a part in the sound and that the Lightning is a pretty bright amp to begin with, but would someone have any ideas on helping me find a soulmate for my amp??

I bought the Private Jack for the hell of it, but I've always been more of an american syle sound kind of guy. Obviously I could never turn the Lightning into a fender, but I was thinking that something in the Patriot series could help, but I would definitely consider a red coat like the Tonker because I've read posts here where they were great matches for BF Fenders.
Thanx for any help
;)

[carltonh]

Tfunster, sounds like you have several choices, and I'm going from a more Fender to more British tone:

Swamp Thang - Cannabis Rex - Texas Heat - Tonker/Red Ryder - Tonespotter

All these will have a bigger bass response in a 1x12, and be less bright than the Private Jack.

[tfunster]

Thanx for the reply Carltonh

Actually I've been considering both the swamp thang and Cannabis Rex, however I have heard mixed reviews on the ST, and I've heard the Cannabis Rex doesn't sound that good at lower volumes, and I have to play pretty low at my place so I don't get evicted.

Do you have any experience with these speakers??? Also, since my lightning is a 14 switchable to 8 watt amp, and I play mostly in 8 watt mode, would the swamp thang's 150 RMS rating indicate that it could be too much for my amp???

[carltonh]

The only ones I've given a workout/owned are the Texas Heat, Red Ryder, and Governor. I'd recommend the Texas Heat from detailed experience. It will sound great at any volume.

Still, at 14 watts, you aren't going to make any speaker fart out. You might not push the Red Ryder enough to make it the best choice, but the others will either certainly or probably sound great at lower volumes. Can't speak for ones I haven't tried though.

[tfunster]

Has anyone else here played a british style amp through an American type speaker like the texas heat, swamp thang or cannabis rex???? And if so, did it match well???

[Tomo]

Quick video clip #1 Tomo Clinic 1 12 Red Ryder (http://richweb.net/TomoFujita/Fuchs1.wmv)

Twinkle lesson Tomo Clinic 2 12 Tonespotter (http://Richweb.net/TomoFujita/Twinkle1.wmv)

Both run by same guitar, same amp(Fuchs 50)
same set up. I just switched in the middle of my clinic.


Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by tfunster
Has anyone else here played a british style amp through an American type speaker like the texas heat, swamp thang or cannabis rex???? And if so, did it match well???






It makes no difference where an amp or speaker
is made(or flavor), whether it will work for you or not
is up to your own ears.
Doesn't matter if its british or american.

[tfunster]

Hey Tomo, I loved the harmony to twinkle twinkle. My teacher only lets us have I IV and V chords in my beginning harmony class.
How boring!!

[Tomo]

Originally posted by tfunster
Hey Tomo, I loved the harmony to twinkle twinkle. My teacher only lets us have I IV and V chords in my beginning harmony class.
How boring!!



Thanks. I like i iv v version too. Depend how the person
plays with feel, tone. I did demonstrate from simple
to jazzy version on this clinic dvd. Tone Merchants dvd
is available now. It's a lot of fun to play Twinkle ...

Tomo

[2x6L6]

While avoiding "real work," and trying to decide what Eminence 10" speakers to put in my Vibrolux Reverb, I combed through this thread and several others and pasted a bunch of it into this page:10" Eminence Patriot/Redcoat Posts (http://www.alaska.net/~jimbeck/guitars/Eminence_Speaker_Comparisons_and_Info_TGP_10_inch. htm)
I am not sure if am am more confused or more informed! Hopefully the latter.

[Jack Walker]

Originally posted by 2x6L6
While avoiding "real work," and trying to decide what Eminence 10" speakers to put in my Vibrolux Reverb, I combed through this thread and several others and pasted a bunch of it into this page:10" Eminence Patriot/Redcoat Posts (http://www.alaska.net/~jimbeck/guitars/Eminence_Speaker_Comparisons_and_Info_TGP_10_inch. htm)
I am not sure if am am more confused or more informed! Hopefully the latter.

Thanks so much for all the hard work. I'm getting ready to replace the 10's in my two ten cabinet. I've become an Eminence nut so I knew I was going to use their speakers. I just wasn't sure where to start.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Still digging the Man'O'War's, AMAZING!

[PlexiBreath]

Originally posted by tfunster
Has anyone else here played a british style amp through an American type speaker like the texas heat, swamp thang or cannabis rex???? And if so, did it match well???
A while ago I built a plexi Marshall 50 derivative amp into a tweed Bassman combo, very british sounding, for speakers I used two Celestion Vintage 10's and two Weber P10Q's. One might have thought the sweet match would be the V10's, not in this case. After a lot of listening I prefer the P10Q's, a very American speaker, miced with a Royer R121 into a Great River ME-1NV it's one of the best tones I've put to "tape". So yeah, a british amp with American speakers can be a very good combo, but you have to take it on a case by case basis and let your ears be the final judge, know the rules then have fun breaking them.

[2x6L6]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
Thanks so much for all the hard work. I'm getting ready to replace the 10's in my two ten cabinet. I've become an Eminence nut so I knew I was going to use their speakers. I just wasn't sure where to start.
Let us know what you get, and how you like it!

[rockon1]

Originally posted by JamesPeters
I have four Man O War speakers, 8 ohm, for sale in the emporium at the moment...in case anyone wants some.

I read(in your Man O War sale thread) that the V-30 and G12H-30 are your favorite speakers. Mine too. Ive been thinking of trying some Eminence models but now youve got me wondering....

[JamesPeters]

Originally posted by rockon1
I read(in your Man O War sale thread) that the V-30 and G12H-30 are your favorite speakers. Mine too. Ive been thinking of trying some Eminence models but now youve got me wondering....

I'll put it to you this way--don't let my experiences stop you from trying anything. And when you read what I said, don't just read what you consider to be negative. :)

However if you're happy with your current setup, don't feel you have to change just because there's something else out there might you might also like.

(edit) The Man O War speakers are sold now.

[rockon1]

Originally posted by JamesPeters
I'll put it to you this way--don't let my experiences stop you from trying anything. And when you read what I said, don't just read what you consider to be negative. :)

However if you're happy with your current setup, don't feel you have to change just because there's something else out there might you might also like.


Yeah, I hear you. Just searching, like most guys with G.A.S.:) Ive tried a few older style Eminence and a lot of Celestions(G12T-75,G12M-70,G12H-100, greenbacks) but nothing compares so far to the G12H-30/V-30 combination! Ill probably give the Govenor and wizard a shot though cause I got it bad.....:D

[tfunster]

Question for PlexiBreath,

When you mated the Webers with the Marshall, how did it affect the tone?? Was it a dramatic difference or more of just a different flavor that you prefered. Did it (and I know how subjective this is) make the amp sound more American and Fendery??? or did it just change the character of the "British" sound.

Thanx. I still can't decide if I want the Cannabis Rex or the Swamp Thing to go with my Matchless Lightning. Maybe I should have just bought a Fender. :D

[PlexiBreath]

Originally posted by tfunster
Question for PlexiBreath,

When you mated the Webers with the Marshall, how did it affect the tone?? Was it a dramatic difference or more of just a different flavor that you prefered. Did it (and I know how subjective this is) make the amp sound more American and Fendery??? or did it just change the character of the "British" sound.

Thanx. I still can't decide if I want the Cannabis Rex or the Swamp Thing to go with my Matchless Lightning. Maybe I should have just bought a Fender. :D
The tone stayed completely British, it just gave it a different character but still British, maybe more Manchester than London? :D You might want to give the Weber P10Q a try for the Lightning, who knows, you might really like it, Weber now calls that model the 10A125. You can hear exactly what I'm talking about on my site on a track called "Grin Booster" here: http://www.johnkelleybrown.com , all the guitars on that track were recorded with the ribbon mic only on that 10 inch speaker, no effects pedals.

[bitsandvolts]

Given the whole Wizard=G12H30 and Governor=Vintage 30 thing...and that the G12H30/Vin30 seems to be the defacto combination for most...

Has anyone actually tried a Wizard/Governor combination in a 2X12 or 4X12??

And if so, how were the results?

[Tomo]

Originally posted by bitsandvolts
Given the whole Wizard=G12H30 and Governor=Vintage 30 thing...and that the G12H30/Vin30 seems to be the defacto combination for most...

Has anyone actually tried a Wizard/Governor combination in a 2X12 or 4X12??

And if so, how were the results?

I have been playing w/ the governors(2 12).

Tonespotter & Wizard set up was awesome!

I am interested in combination of Governor & Wizard.

Red White & Blues.
Tonespotters.
Red Fang,
Red Ryder,

I like those.

Tomo

[bitsandvolts]

Tomo,

I've since read that the wizard doesn't match up with the gov very well, since the wizard overpowers the gov. Any thoughts on that?

I might just go 2 govs, although I like the sound that mixed speakers give...

[Pentode]

I'm also interested in hearing from anyone who has tried a Wizard/Governor combination vs. two Wizards together or two Governors together.

Thanks

[Tomo]

Originally posted by bitsandvolts
Tomo,

I've since read that the wizard doesn't match up with the gov very well, since the wizard overpowers the gov. Any thoughts on that?

I might just go 2 govs, although I like the sound that mixed speakers give...

Simlpy I never tried, beacuse I like the way 2 Governors
sound. I am gonna try something different.

Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by rockon1
I read(in your Man O War sale thread) that the V-30 and G12H-30 are your favorite speakers. Mine too. Ive been thinking of trying some Eminence models but now youve got me wondering....




Don't let that scare you, I'm 100% Eminence,
and won't be looking back anytime soon.
The Man'O'War's kick serious butt.

[Boogs]

Just wanted to say that I'm still LOVING my Wizard! :cool:

It has the most amazing combination of sounds because of the chunky bottom and sweet top end. I can make it bright without killing the ears, and switching pickups just brings me from strength to strength.

BTW - I read the post concerning the "yecchy" Wizard, and you HAVE to give speakers a chance to break in if they don't sound right! Sometimes they sound good out of the box apparently, but I've never gotten one that did. With both my C-Rex, adn my Wizard, I've had to blast them at full volume with Bach's Cello Suites before they settled down. The Wizard sounded severely harsh and cardboardy at first... a little pounding, and it became sweet articulate, and 3D. Don't cheat yourself, break those puppies in!

p.s. still loving the Rex too, especially with single coils.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by bitsandvolts
Tomo,

I've since read that the wizard doesn't match up with the gov very well, since the wizard overpowers the gov. Any thoughts on that?

I might just go 2 govs, although I like the sound that mixed speakers give...


Actually, I have played the Wizard & the Tonespotter together
for a while. I really liked the sound. It didn't overpower the Gov
at all.

At Tampa ToneFest, I played the Marshall 4 12 cab with the
Wizards. That was really good sound.


Tomo

[johan]

Originally posted by Boogs


BTW - I read the post concerning the "yecchy" Wizard, and you HAVE to give speakers a chance to break in if they don't sound right! Sometimes they sound good out of the box apparently, but I've never gotten one that did. With both my C-Rex, adn my Wizard, I've had to blast them at full volume with Bach's Cello Suites before they settled down. The Wizard sounded severely harsh and cardboardy at first... a little pounding, and it became sweet articulate, and 3D. Don't cheat yourself, break those puppies in!

p.s. still loving the Rex too, especially with single coils.

I want to do that. I have a fresh CRex I want to break in FAST. Can I run my CD player through my Deluxe Reverb??? How??

[skruch]

Yes you can run your CD player into your DRRI. Go from the headphone out jack on your CD to the input jack of the amp with an appropriate cable.

[PRSplaya]

Originally posted by bitsandvolts
Given the whole Wizard=G12H30 and Governor=Vintage 30 thing...and that the G12H30/Vin30 seems to be the defacto combination for most...

Has anyone actually tried a Wizard/Governor combination in a 2X12 or 4X12??

And if so, how were the results?
I've played with 2 Wizards and 2 Gov's in a Marshall 1960a cab and a Wizard/Gov combo in a Classic 50, and love both! I didn't get the feeling that the Wizard was overpowering the Gov at all. The amps used were a PV Triple XXX and a PV Classic 50.

[Pentode]

"I've played with 2 Wizards and 2 Gov's in a Marshall 1960a cab and a Wizard/Gov combo in a Classic 50, and love both! I didn't get the feeling that the Wizard was overpowering the Gov at all. The amps used were a PV Triple XXX and a PV Classic 50."

So of these 3 combinations, which is your favorite and why? Can you compare each pair of combinations to the other two combinations? Thanks

[Roccaforte Amps]

Soon I'm going to try the Patriot series (all 12" models),
I'll report as I do. Doug

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Soon I'm going to try the Patriot series (all 12" models),
I'll report as I do. Doug

I'd love to hear what you think of the Blue Tick Hound. It's a weird one... but I like it! :D

[skruch]

I have a Red White and Blues in my DRRI and it's da' bomb.

[Gretschman]

I use many cabinets to play through . I have the following Eminence cabinets:
2 - 212 Red Fangs
1-210 Rajin Cajun
1-412 Private Jacks
1-212 with 1 Mon O War & 1 Red Ryder

The best of the best is a 212 Celestion Blue on top of a 212 Red Fang { Treated Fangs } open backs

OR

412 Celestion Blues on top of 212 Red Fangs Closed Backs ported

Nothing else comes close to the tonal satisfaction of these units together .

[claptonisgood]

Originally posted by Gretschman
412 Celestion Blues on top of 212 Red Fangs Closed Backs ported


a 624 speaker cab must sound awesome, but, dude! that is like $138,588.00 in speakers! whoa!:D :dude

[Boogs]

Ok, just got my Stonehenge in... yep, I got the Emi Fever again... ;)


I stuck it in an open back 1x12 and plugged it into my Classic 30, expecting it to be stiff as hell like my other Emi's were. I jammed on it for about an hour, and I gotta say it - this one actually sounded good right out of the box! :cool: It initially sounds brighter than the Wizard (and certainly more than the Rex or Blue Tick), and very defined.

Of course, I don't know exactly how much it's going to change, but I've got Bach's Cello Suites singing through it in an empty room upstairs, and that never fails to loosen up a cone. I'll post back after it's whooped and I've given it a go-through with some different guitars.

[Gretschman]

I'm now heading into the dark zone . I've got it in my head that I'm needing some rich, dark tones ,subdued highs and a throaty base sound . At least this week !

I ordered a 210 with 1 Delta Demon & 1 Copperhead with a 112 Swampthang . Now all I have to do is find the right head to use with it . I want a Delta Blues / Rich tone head for this one Rig .
But which one ?

I was going to get a Stonehendge but I already have several bright speakers so I went the other way . Go Figure !

[straightblues]

Hey Doug,

I have a 50 watt JCM 800 combo amp, 4210 it is open back. Which of these Eminence would you recommend for it. I am going for classic rock style tones.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by straightblues
Hey Doug,

I have a 50 watt JCM 800 combo amp, 4210 it is open back. Which of these Eminence would you recommend for it. I am going for classic rock style tones.




The Tonker would hold together the best, the Red Ryder would sound better all around.

[Liquid Quarter]

Doug,

What would you recommend I stuff in this Roccaforte 412 Slant Cab I have? It be empty right now. I have a Custom 40 and I feel like breaking a few windows!:D Thanks.

LQ

[VanR]

Which Eminence is it that favors the G12H-30?
Or the G12T-75? Or the Celestion Blue?

[John Thigpen]

About a month ago, after wading through all 115 pages of this thread at that time, I was thoroughly confused and could decide what I wanted to try. To help myself out, I put together a cheat sheet for Celestion equivalents based on what I read here.

Red Ryder = CL80
Man O War = G12-75
Private Jack = Greenback
Red Fang = Alnico Blue
Wizard = G12H30
Governor = Vintage 30
Tonker = ? I could never figure it out.

Again, this is based on what others have written here. I have never heard ANY of these speakers, so NO FLAMING.

John

[Boogs]

Alrighty... I played around with the Stonehenge a little bit (after breaking it in with cello CDs) over the last couple of days, and then spent a good three hours tonight playing it mid-volume with a variety of guitars. I A/B'd it with the Wizard and the Cannabis Rex for perspective. I was a little bit surprised at how it was shaping up...

I thought it would be bright, and it is, but I'm very pleasantly surprised by it's sweetness more than anything else. It has less upper-mids, and more top-end than the Wiz, but it's character is so sweet and defined. It is much more suitable to vintage sounds than I would have thought. With overdrive, it has an amazing balance with both bridge and neck humbuckers, and is plenty defined with palm-mutes. It's getting more and more sensitive as well, and I can't wait to hear it break in more.

One more thing... the low end, while not as prominent as the Wizard or Rex, has some serious snap to it! I got into playing some deep, clean riffs with bridge 'buckers, and it was poppin' for sure!

Always a major pain-in-the-ass changing speakers around... the Stonehenge made it worth it for sure though. :cool:

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by John Thigpen
About a month ago, after wading through all 115 pages of this thread at that time, I was thoroughly confused and could decide what I wanted to try. To help myself out, I put together a cheat sheet for Celestion equivalents based on what I read here.

Red Ryder = CL80
Man O War = G12-75
Private Jack = Greenback
Red Fang = Alnico Blue
Wizard = G12H30
Governor = Vintage 30
Tonker = ? I could never figure it out.

Again, this is based on what others have written here. I have never heard ANY of these speakers, so NO FLAMING.

John





I think you're right, however I wouldn't call them Celestion equivalents, the Emi's are so so different, and so so right!

[glasman]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I think you're right, however I wouldn't call them Celestion equivalents, the Emi's are so so different, and so so right!


Doug, do you have any results on the Patriot series yet.

Looking for a good 12" for a couple D-type amps that I finishing up. Been thinking along the lines of Tonker, Wizard and Tonespotter. But wonder how the Patriot stuff is worjking out.

Just TOO many options.

Gary

[Boogie92801]

Originally posted by glasman
Doug, do you have any results on the Patriot series yet.

Looking for a good 12" for a couple D-type amps that I finishing up. Been thinking along the lines of Tonker, Wizard and Tonespotter. But wonder how the Patriot stuff is worjking out.

Just TOO many options.

Gary

I have a couple of Texas Heats. Fat and thick.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by glasman
Doug, do you have any results on the Patriot series yet.

Looking for a good 12" for a couple D-type amps that I finishing up. Been thinking along the lines of Tonker, Wizard and Tonespotter. But wonder how the Patriot stuff is worjking out.

Just TOO many options.

Gary






I'm still working on it. Doug

[DreamTone7]

Man-O-War...when is somebody gonna post a clip of this sucker?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by DreamTone7
Man-O-War...when is somebody gonna post a clip of this sucker?







I'm working on it, soon.

[VanR]

There's some Man O War clips on this page.
http://www.ross-co.co.uk/xcart/Eminence-Redcoat-Series-Man-O-War-pr-16238.html

[Gretschman]

I had a 212 made for me by earcandy cabs . I put a Man O War and a Red Ryder in it .
Wow ! that thing is nice . Its Full sounding and has great range . The highs are very , very nice , the bottom is tight and they sound great together .
Earcandy makes the best cabinets out there and he ports the cabinet . It gives the sound a frontal projection which comes in handy for serious leads .

[Glenn_K]

I'm considering an Earcandy 1X12 myself. Can't decide whether to do a RedFang or Wizard. Going to drive it with a Reverend Goblin.

[brianf]

I have a 10" Copperhead in my Tweed Princeton and it is truly a great speaker. My ears have trouble picking out small differences in speaker to speaker but those who have tried my copperhead do like it's tone.

brianf

[Gretschman]

I have listened to the Wizzard before and passed on it. It's a nice speaker , but it sounds like some of the Vin30's that I have for some reason , so buying one for me would be a duplication .

But the Red Fang !! Now your talking . I own 2-212 Red Fang cabinets. One open back and one closed back . I bought the open back from Avatar & the closed back from Bluesamps.com


The Red Fang has a nice range and after it's broken in , gets a very nice creamy sound . It is not as harsh as a Celestion Blue but remains smooth and punchy . I mix those Red Fangs with other cabinets all the time and the tonal result is kick ass .
You cannot go wrong buyng a Red Fang , period !

One other thing , I mix mine with other cabs , so I dont know about useing Red fangs "Only " as the main speaker , but I'm sure it would sound great .

[Glenn_K]

my only hesitation on the Red Fang is that I'm concerned it will have too much high end. I'm using a Private Jack now in a Reverend Hellhound and love it. I wouldn't want much more high end than that. But possibly the closed back Earcandy cab would keep the Red Fang from going to trebly/ear piercing.

[Jack Walker]

One of the nicer tones I've gotten from my Zbest cabinet is a Red Fang and a Tonker together. These speakers compliment each other well.

[Gretschman]

I have a 412 Private Jack cabinet . The Red Fang is a far cry from those , tonally speaking .

Bluetron made my closed back Cab and he took off most of the excess gum around the rim and treated my speakers , so they sound fantastic . It also shaves the sharpness off the high end .
Ear Candy can't treat speakers .

Reguardless , the Red Fangs go great with most of my cabs .
If they had the highs you are talking about , I would not use them or recomend them either .

[DreamTone7]

Thanks VanR...cool site...has a lot of clips.

[mcdyas]

Originally posted by Gretschman
I have a 412 Private Jack cabinet . The Red Fang is a far cry from those , tonally speaking .

Bluetron made my closed back Cab and he took off most of the excess gum around the rim and treated my speakers , so they sound fantastic . It also shaves the sharpness off the high end .
Ear Candy can't treat speakers .

Reguardless , the Red Fangs go great with most of my cabs .
If they had the highs you are talking about , I would not use them or recomend them either .

Which cabinets and configurations have you used with the Red Fangs? I have a Red Fang and a Private Jack in a 2x12 and like it a lot.

[Jack Walker]

Originally posted by mcdyas
Which cabinets and configurations have you used with the Red Fangs? I have a Red Fang and a Private Jack in a 2x12 and like it a lot.

I use a red fang and a tonker in a Zbest cab. I really love this sound with all my amps which includes Dr. Z, Allen and Tophat.

[Gretschman]

The Very,Very best match up for me , Is,
Celestion Blues & Red Fangs . That is the killer of all combos

Next , Ragin Cajuns & Red Fangs. Great mix

Red Fangs & Celestion G12-75 's great mix

As a matter of fact , they will probably go well with most speakers

The trick is , to figure out what sort of tone you like .

Celestion blues are the other top choice to mix & match and are my absolute favorite .

[Gretschman]

I have a 412 - Private Jack Cabinet .

They sound very nice with High Gain amps . I'm not really sure if i like them as much as my Celestion Green Backs though .

I never tryed mixing them with other speakers , So if you like that combination then I'll have to try it out for myslef .

Red Fangs & Private Jacks Huh !!

Thanks for the tip !

[Roccaforte Amps]

Just a tid-bit of info;
I had a certain cab in my shop a few days ago
that came loaded with G12's that the builder
had installed.
The artist who uses this cab blew both speakers
with a 100watt amp the other night. ouch!
Anyway, he's in the studio recording a new record,
and needed something quick.
I installed a pair of Eminence Stonehege and sent
his tech back with the cab.
Yesterday, the tech called to report that this artist
is blown away at how much better the cab sounds
vs before the G12's were blown.
Personally, I was taken too.
This cab is an open back 2 12" with an oval port
in the back panel.
Amazing sounding speakers they are, but I'm not surprized.
Long live Eminence!

[Pentode]

Were they vintage G12m's or reissues?

[Pentode]

Were they vintage G12m's or reissues?

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Jack Walker
One of the nicer tones I've gotten from my Zbest cabinet is a Red Fang and a Tonker together. These speakers compliment each other well.

I love both speakers, but I never had a chance to
put those 2 together.

So far I am still enjoyning my Tonespotters in
Bob Burt V12 cab. I have been using this for
my recording. Yes, Red Fang in other cab too.

Maybe it's time for me to use my Tonker!

Tomo

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
Just a tid-bit of info;
I had a certain cab in my shop a few days ago
that came loaded with G12's that the builder
had installed.
The artist who uses this cab blew both speakers
with a 100watt amp the other night. ouch!
Anyway, he's in the studio recording a new record,
and needed something quick.
I installed a pair of Eminence Stonehege and sent
his tech back with the cab.
Yesterday, the tech called to report that this artist
is blown away at how much better the cab sounds
vs before the G12's were blown.
Personally, I was taken too.
This cab is an open back 2 12" with an oval port
in the back panel.
Amazing sounding speakers they are, but I'm not surprized.
Long live Eminence!

I'm not surprised either. People are sleeping on the Stonehenges, and they are amazing.

Earcandy cabs recommends them on their website by calling their tone "jawdropping"... um, pretty good recommendation... ;)

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Boogs
I'm not surprised either. People are sleeping on the Stonehenges, and they are amazing.

Earcandy cabs recommends them on their website by calling their tone "jawdropping"... um, pretty good recommendation... ;)






I'm not sure what jawdropping means, but I'll agree they're amazing.:cool:

[mcdyas]

I had a Private Jack and a Red Fang in a cabinet and liked it. I got my hands on a Red, White & Blues and did an a/b comparison between it and the Private Jack. The RWB won and I like it better with the Red Fang. I looked into the RWB because it is more or less the same speaker that Two Rock uses in their cabinets.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by mcdyas
I had a Private Jack and a Red Fang in a cabinet and liked it. I got my hands on a Red, White & Blues and did an a/b comparison between it and the Private Jack. The RWB won and I like it better with the Red Fang. I looked into the RWB because it is more or less the same speaker that Two Rock uses in their cabinets.


The Red White & Blues is one of my favorites on one of
Pro Reverbs. Great choice!


Tomo

[carltonh]

The comments about the Stonehenge make it appear to be similar to the Private Jack, but I haven't seen any comparison on how the two are different. Any experience?

It also sounds like the Stonehenge might be as close to the Red Fang (as in that chimey sound that's hard to find in <$100 speakers) as you can get with a ceramic magnet. Is this about right?

So Doug, have you made your Patriot tests yet? If not done, any preliminary opinions?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carltonh
The comments about the Stonehenge make it appear to be similar to the Private Jack, but I haven't seen any comparison on how the two are different. Any experience?

It also sounds like the Stonehenge might be as close to the Red Fang (as in that chimey sound that's hard to find in <$100 speakers) as you can get with a ceramic magnet. Is this about right?

So Doug, have you made your Patriot tests yet? If not done, any preliminary opinions?





Very soon. Doug

[Gretschman]

OK , Men ,

I just got my new 112 Swampthang from EarCandy Cabs.

I've been dieing to hear it . I'm gonna try mixing it with Red Fangs , Private Jacks , Ragun Cajins , and Celestion Blues and maybe Green Backs .

I hope it sounds as good as everyone says . I like a throaty darker sounding speaker . Especially playing my CS 356 with my Badcat or Blueverb .

Monday I'm suppose to get my 210 setup from EarCandy as well. It will contain a Delta Demon and a Copperhead .

So I guess I'll be brakeing in Speakers for the next few days trying to find my Tone .

Let you know how they sound when I've had a chance to play EM .

:dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude

[Boogs]

Originally posted by carltonh
The comments about the Stonehenge make it appear to be similar to the Private Jack, but I haven't seen any comparison on how the two are different. Any experience?

It also sounds like the Stonehenge might be as close to the Red Fang (as in that chimey sound that's hard to find in <$100 speakers) as you can get with a ceramic magnet. Is this about right?


Haven't tried the PJ or the Red Fang, so can't compare.

The Stonehenge is bright in a very sneaky way, though. It brightens things up without seeming peaky at all to my ears... not sure how "chimey" anyone would think it is as compared to the Fang or a Blue. That wasn't my reaction, anyway...

[Impulse 101]

So is the common wisdom for a high gain 4X12 the combination of two Govs and two Wiz's in an X pattern?

JT

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Impulse 101
So is the common wisdom for a high gain 4X12 the combination of two Govs and two Wiz's in an X pattern?

JT





There's no wrong way, its a matter of what works
best for you. Doug

[Roccaforte Amps]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gretschman
[B]OK , Men ,

I just got my new 112 Swampthang from EarCandy Cabs.

I've been dieing to hear it . I'm gonna try mixing it with Red Fangs , Private Jacks , Ragun Cajins , and Celestion Blues and maybe Green Backs .







The Ragun Cajins are 10".

[Roccaforte Amps]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gretschman
[B]OK , Men ,

I just got my new 112 Swampthang from EarCandy Cabs.

I've been dieing to hear it . I'm gonna try mixing it with Red Fangs , Private Jacks , Ragun Cajins , and Celestion Blues and maybe Green Backs .







The Ragun Cajins are 10".

[Roccaforte Amps]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gretschman
[B]OK , Men ,

I just got my new 112 Swampthang from EarCandy Cabs.

I've been dieing to hear it . I'm gonna try mixing it with Red Fangs , Private Jacks , Ragun Cajins , and Celestion Blues and maybe Green Backs .







The Ragun Cajins are 10".

[Gretschman]

To Doug


I know that Ragin Cajuns are 10" speakers .

Though I am confused as to why you would post that 3 times or the purpose of the post at all .

When I said that I was going to mix my speakers , I was refering to plugging two different speaker cabinets into 1 amp at the same time . I do this all the time and get excellent results .

Today I had over a couple of friends who are laying down tracks for their new CD and wanted me to help out on a sound issue .
They asked if they could hear my setup with the new 10' earcandy cabs useing a Delta Demon and a Copperhead plugged into a Rivera Fandango with 2 Celestion G12t-75's .

They felt that the mix was perfect and the sound was to die for ,so I let them take it to the studio for a couple of days .
I have been mixing speakers cabinets for years and continue to do so .

I have used 10' & 12' speakers together before with no problem but it is only on special units that I wanted the tone of both speakers in combination .

:dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude

[big mike]

I'm sure the 3 posts was a mistake. That's happened to me once or twice before.

Just to play devils advocate, you listed a bunch of 12's with a 10 thrown in, so it's a logical deduction.

Enjoy the new speakers and cab! :)

[Gretschman]

So !

Whats Your point ?

It isn't unusual to mix differnent sizes . Just open a stereo speaker cabinet ! Mine has 3 different sizes in it and it sounds great !

Guitar cabinets will sound as good , if you match up the right speakers .

If you and Doug are limiting yourselves to all 12's or all 10's thats your thing , I am in a world that is made of great tone and great sound and I use what ever works and what ever is available .

My rigs end up on Artists tracks all the time . Nuff Said

[big mike]

Originally posted by Gretschman
So !

Whats Your point ?

It isn't unusual to mix differnent sizes . Just open a stereo speaker cabinet ! Mine has 3 different sizes in it and it sounds great !

Guitar cabinets will sound as good , if you match up the right speakers .

If you and Doug are limiting yourselves to all 12's or all 10's thats your thing , I am in a world that is made of great tone and great sound and I use what ever works and what ever is available .

My rigs end up on Artists tracks all the time . Nuff Said

Not sure why you're getting your panties in a wad here buddy, I just tried to clear it up. It wasn't clear that's what you were doing. No one is impuning your judgement, or making any sort of negative comment.Why the defensive attitude?

Man. Time to cut back on the caffine. :rolleyes:

[Gretschman]

Quote :

" you listed a bunch of 12's with a 10 thrown in, so it's a logical deduction. "

It is not logical to someone who does not know or have experiance mixing speakers .

{ Doug said he does not mix speakers}

There are a lot of reasons to mix speakers as there is equally many reasons not to mix them . It is not for everyone and more times than not it can create more problems than it's worth.

I loaned a rig tonight to a friend who just got a recording contract 2 weeks ago and he is playing at some CMA awards show.

The full rig had 2 cabinets with two different sets of alnico speakers. He plays a vintage Tele with hot pickups in it .
He needed an overdrive amp that would have a good tight bottom and clean highs . So I kept it simple . I gave him one only cabinet and it was a 412 that will do the job . All 4 speakers are the same .

There are an infinite number of reasons why I gave him that one cabinet with matching speakers . Good sound is acheived by years of experience , a lot of money , makeing mistakes and finally getting it right . There is a whole truck load of issues that need to be addressed in order for any Artist to find his sound or his tone .

Mixing various types or sizes of speakers is only one tool in the process to find a certain sound . If you don't know what you are looking for , you are wasteing your time doing it . There are too many variables .

Doug had said in one of his posts that he did not mix speakers .

That is the safe thing to do and will work for most applications. The problem with doing that though , is you end up sounding like everyone else ! or The player is never satisfied with his sound .
Instead he settles for what he has.

A proper system should be matched and tuned . The amp should be tune to the speakers that you are useing .

It takes a trained ear to really set up a Rig to sound great on a specific player . Thats where mixing speakers can make the difference . I play a rig that uses 3 different speakers . I love it but , it was the result of a lot of work and time testing out many things to get to that setup . And I knew what sound I wanted before I started .

Point : I know what I know because I put in the work and took the time to think outside the box .

[big mike]

You're arguing the COMPLETE wrong point, because your post wasn't clear.
I never said you shouldn't mix, no one did. There was a post clarifying that you had a 10 inch mixed in with a bunch of 12's. As most don't seem to mix for whatever reason, most average Joe's are going to figure you weren't clear.

I point that out and get a disertation about how you've done yadda yadda forever, and clients use, etc etc.

i don't care who you are, and what you've studied. Stuff works for you. Great. Fantastic. That's awesome. Glad you like what you have.

But you're attitude sucks. You're not clear in a post, in a friendly manner, I try to clear up why one, (including myself) might think you weren't aware of something, and you go great guns to tell me how great you are.

Whatever.

have a nice life.

[Gretschman]

look, your a last work Freek

You and Doug pointed out the the obvious that a Ragun Cajin is a 10' speaker . Which is very obvious to me because I own them and play them .

You have no point , other than to be insulting by trying to make a big deal out of a speaker size as if I dont know what size it is or what I can mix it with .

My post was to join in on earlier posts about the sounds of various eminence speakers and share that informaiton with those that might have an interest .

If other people should get confused by a post that I make , they are free to say so or ask a question . They don't need you to do it for them or you to reply to a post meant for someone else .

There is always someone like you and Doug on these boards that proof reads others posts then insluts them with some pathetic comment .

[big mike]

Originally posted by Gretschman


If other people should get confused by a post that I make , they are free to say so or ask a question

That's exactly what *I* did because I wasn't following, and you've been insulting and combative ever since. :rolleyes:

I don't care to get the last word, you go right ahead. i won't see it, you've now been added to my ignore list.

[Boogs]

I've discovered that my X100B loves Wizards above all others. They sound tight and sweet with this amp, and a 2x12 with them might be it's lifelong companion. It's also great that with 100 watts, and two of these speakers - possibly the loudest in the universe - I'm all set to play large stadiums! ;)


I've also discovered a seemingly strange Patriot combination that I love. I threw the Cannabis Rex back into the Classic 30 'cause I love the way it smooths out that little amp, and I decided to try running the Blue Tick Hound with it in an external cab. Once I had dialed the amp in again, they ended up being great partners! The C-Rex gives body and definition, while the Blue Tick puts a little hair and a tingly high end on it.... once the Tick starts breaking up, you've hit jackpot. That setup is staying just like that for awhile.


Of course, now my Stonehenge is sitting unused in a 1x12... unacceptable for such a great speaker. I'll have to get another amp to use with this thing at some point (thinking Laney...).

[ericb]

Originally posted by Boogs
I've discovered that my X100B loves Wizards above all others. They sound tight and sweet with this amp, and a 2x12 with them might be it's lifelong companion. It's also great that with 100 watts, and two of these speakers - possibly the loudest in the universe - I'm all set to play large stadiums! ;)


I've also discovered a seemingly strange Patriot combination that I love. I threw the Cannabis Rex back into the Classic 30 'cause I love the way it smooths out that little amp, and I decided to try running the Blue Tick Hound with it in an external cab. Once I had dialed the amp in again, they ended up being great partners! The C-Rex gives body and definition, while the Blue Tick puts a little hair and a tingly high end on it.... once the Tick starts breaking up, you've hit jackpot. That setup is staying just like that for awhile.


Of course, now my Stonehenge is sitting unused in a 1x12... unacceptable for such a great speaker. I'll have to get another amp to use with this thing at some point (thinking Laney...).

KEWL, I don't have any of the amps you do , but I use the Cannabis Rexes and Wizards in loads of combos with lots of amps and man what great speakers..

ERIC

[j37nm]

For the last month, I have been pounding a red ryder speaker with incredibly high SPL's, and the thing is finally breaking in. The speaker must have endured about 80 hours of high SPL's (130db?). I thought I broke it in after the first 15 hours. After 30 hours, there wasn't any change. It sounded "stiff." I assumed the dynamics of the eminence were very, "stiff," compared to the celestions. It did, however, have a woody character to it, and I thought, "that is the eminence tone," some like it or hate.

But now, it sounds very similar to the classic lead 80. It is a very sweet sounding speaker, very open sounding. It is very clear, tight sounding. It kinda reminds me of the celestion G12 century samples that are available on the celestion web site. The bass response is not as prominent as a vintage 30, but they are there. The mids are very strong, and the highs are present, but not over bearing. My guitar tone punches through the mix with ease.

I am very excited about these new eminence speakers. I purchased a celestion chinese vintage 30, and it is dull and lifeless compared to the red ryder (I know...comparing apples to oranges). I wonder if those who didn't like the eminence speakers didn't give them time to break them in.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by j37nm
I wonder if those who didn't like the eminence speakers didn't give them time to break them in.

I think it's true in many cases.

I read a review on Harmony Central slamming the Cannabis Rex for having a "harsh high end". :rolleyes: That speaker is the living definition of smooth high end... after it's broken in!

[ericb]

Originally posted by Boogs
I think it's true in many cases.

I read a review on Harmony Central slamming the Cannabis Rex for having a "harsh high end". :rolleyes: That speaker is the living definition of smooth high end... after it's broken in!


I don't think that's the case, although it surely might be true in some people's cases.. First off , my 3 Cannabis Rexes I've owned had no problem out of the box. They had no harsh end at all.. The hi-end on mine all opened up AFTER being played a while.. They didn't get smooother after playing a while.. Sounds like to me , we all play at different volumes, and different styles, and have different ears. If we all liked the same gear, the world would be boring.. Just my opinion, as mine had no harsh hi end brand new at all! ERIC

[rockon1]

I have been thoroughly fooled by speakers that arent broken in !
My G12H-30's exhibited a harsh high end for months with me beating on them a few times a week. Only in the last couple of weeks did I notice they smoothed out at volume. Some of this had to do with switching to 6L6's but Im sure not all.

[Gretschman]

Great point Boogs !

There is a huge difference in the sound quality after a couple of weeks of playing . I have a guy locally that Chemically treats some of mine which does help to take off the edge on some , but I also plug in my drum machine to an amp and let it play all day which helps a lot.

I have wondered about some of the guys posts and if they have played through the speakers long enough to beak them in.

[rockon1]

Originally posted by Gretschman
Great point Boogs !

There is a huge difference in the sound quality after a couple of weeks of playing . I have a guy locally that Chemically treats some of mine which does help to take off the edge on some , but I also plug in my drum machine to an amp and let it play all day which helps a lot.

I have wondered about some of the guys posts and if they have played through the speakers long enough to beak them in.

After my G12H-30 experience its a fact for me! Months ,not weeks...

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Gretschman
To Doug


I know that Ragin Cajuns are 10" speakers .

Though I am confused as to why you would post that 3 times or the purpose of the post at all .

When I said that I was going to mix my speakers , I was refering to plugging two different speaker cabinets into 1 amp at the same time . I do this all the time and get excellent results .

Today I had over a couple of friends who are laying down tracks for their new CD and wanted me to help out on a sound issue .
They asked if they could hear my setup with the new 10' earcandy cabs useing a Delta Demon and a Copperhead plugged into a Rivera Fandango with 2 Celestion G12t-75's .

They felt that the mix was perfect and the sound was to die for ,so I let them take it to the studio for a couple of days .
I have been mixing speakers cabinets for years and continue to do so .

I have used 10' & 12' speakers together before with no problem but it is only on special units that I wanted the tone of both speakers in combination .

:dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude :dude





Sorry, I only posted it once, must have been a stuck key?
The purpose for the post in the first place was you said you're getting a 1 12" cab, and was going to try mixing speakers. You mentioned 12" speakers, and a 10" at the end. So, I wasn't sure if you knew it was a 10, thats all.
I was also unsure how you were going to mix speakers in a 1 12" cab, but I figured that meant something different.
No problem, really. Doug

[Boogs]

Originally posted by ericb
I don't think that's the case, although it surely might be true in some people's cases.. First off , my 3 Cannabis Rexes I've owned had no problem out of the box. They had no harsh end at all.. The hi-end on mine all opened up AFTER being played a while.. They didn't get smooother after playing a while.. Sounds like to me , we all play at different volumes, and different styles, and have different ears. If we all liked the same gear, the world would be boring.. Just my opinion, as mine had no harsh hi end brand new at all! ERIC

:D I love when someone else and I look at the same thing and have seemingly opposite experiences! Being human rocks . ;)

My Rex DID have more definition after hard playing, though. I guess that and the emergence of the lower end said "smooth" to me. In any case, you have three and I only have one, so I'm automatically outvoted. :o

[Snakum]

Of course, now my Stonehenge is sitting unused in a 1x12... unacceptable for such a great speaker. I'll have to get another amp to use with this thing at some point (thinking Laney...). Or you could send it to me and I could test it with the ValveThing 112. :D :dude

It is odd that some speakers need to break in before they sound really good, while others are ready to go right out of the box? When I put a GB12/Private Jack in my Classic 30 it was heavenly immediately, but in the ValveThing it's taken two weeks for the same model speaker to stop sqeaking and to smooth out nicely. It's a different amp today than it was two weeks ago when I first put the speaker in. :confused:

I still wanna try a C-Rex and a StoneHenge in it though.

Minh

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Snakum
Or you could send it to me and I could test it with the ValveThing 112. :D :dude


Minh - PM me your addie, and I'll send it to you.

This way, you'll get a speaker that's already broken in to test, and if you don't like it you won't have to resell... which is always a PITA. It'll just be a few bucks to mail back and forth - no biggie for either of us. :cool:


David

[ericb]

Originally posted by Boogs
:D I love when someone else and I look at the same thing and have seemingly opposite experiences! Being human rocks . ;)

My Rex DID have more definition after hard playing, though. I guess that and the emergence of the lower end said "smooth" to me. In any case, you have three and I only have one, so I'm automatically outvoted. :o


Don't ya worry , I'm not voting... Against Bush , but that's it for my voting . I'm with you 100% on the 'being human rocks' sentiment.. That's a really neat stmt :) Seriously I don't know how loud people tend to play , but I played the C Rex's with hi-wattage amps right from day 1 and I don't know if my experience would've been different with lo-wattage amps or what, but the hi-end expanded as I've had them for a long time now... Hell , I'm probably the ONLY guy in the world who gigged for almost the whole last year with an Engl Screamer , with an Esoniq Dp-2 in the loop ,thru a Naylor 2x12 with Cannabis Rexes in it !! I like to have 'different experiences"! The C Rex is also killer with all my Marshalls, a Demeter, THD amps,etc Love 'em.... and keep in mind I wasn't implying at all that yours or anyone else's experience with the speakers needed to be like mine, cuz as you said, being human rocks, and same with acts of uniqueness and randomness!! ROCK ON

ERIC

[Snakum]

I meant to add the Emi Wizard to my list, too, for the ValveThing and the Classic 30. Anyone tried it in a Peavey Classic, yet? What about the Texas Heat?

Boogs, if you haven't tried the Wizard or the Texas Heat in the Classic yet and want to do so, I'll get a 16 ohm version of one or the other from Dave at the end of the month and just have it sent to you if you wanna try it out. I probably won't have another C30 to put it in till December.

Minh

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Snakum
I meant to add the Emi Wizard to my list, too, for the ValveThing and the Classic 30. Anyone tried it in a Peavey Classic, yet? What about the Texas Heat?

Boogs, if you haven't tried the Wizard or the Texas Heat in the Classic yet and want to do so, I'll get a 16 ohm version of one or the other from Dave at the end of the month and just have it sent to you if you wanna try it out. I probably won't have another C30 to put it in till December.

Minh

Oh, I gots da Wizards! They're great in the Classic, but I have them in a 2x12 to use with my X100B now. If I could only use that combo with one speaker, it would be the Wizard - very versatile. The Texas Heat sounds like it would be great in the Classic...if the presence peak lines up right. I'm not too too anxious to try out anything else right now, though, as my little rigs are sounding pretty darn good. When I inevitably change my mind, I'll write you. ;)

I'm serious on the Stonehenge, though. PM me an address, and I'll ship it out to you to try no probs. It's broken in, and I think you'll *love* it!

[SuperReverb2]

I'm picking up the Eminence speakers that I ordered from Long & McQuade here in Vancouver on Tuesday. I have a pair of the "Patriot" Red, White, and Blues and a pair of the "Red Coat" Tonespotters which are destined for an audition in my recently acquired Super Reverb 2 x12. (obviously all not at the same time, ha ha) I'll make no bones about the fact that I'm gong for the RF type of tonality using my Zendrive (thanks Alf) and my Les Paul with a 59 in the neck and a "custom" wound JB in the bridge. (MJ at Seymour Duncan was kind enought to custom wind a JB for me to the "original" prototype specs)
From my e-mails with Eminence, the Patriot Red, White, and Blues are the closest (stock) speakers they make to the Two-Rock TR12-65's, and the Tonespotters are Eminence's version of the GT12-65's. (according the Eminence, the TR12-65 are custom made, and I would assume that they sit somewhere between the Red, White, and Blues and the Tonespotters tonality wise)
Either way, it's going to be a fun week giving them a try. I'll try and write something in the next couple of weeks.

Chuck

[Snakum]

PM sent ... thanks Boogs! Let me know when you're ready try something new and we'll do it on my dime. :)


I'll make no bones about the fact that I'm gong for the RF type of tonality That's what I want to do with my next Classic 30. They're so responsive to tube and speaker changes, I thought next time I'd spring for some mod work in addition to tubes and speakers and see how close I could get to that warm, singing, Fuchs-type tone.

Minh

[el34power]

Broken in and warmed up also gents. One thing i have found to make a huge difference is... I have a JCM800 4x12 loaded with 2 greenbacks and 2 red fangs, a mesa 3/4 open wide cab with a private jack. I hook up my cabs to my stereo system in the morning... let'em run all day this makes a huge difference...(to me anyway). I also remember that i didn't like the private jack at first. It was harsh and bright... all of a sudden, out of the blue! it started to sound much better!

[SuperReverb2]

"quote"

That's what I want to do with my next Classic 30. They're so responsive to tube and speaker changes, I thought next time I'd spring for some mod work in addition to tubes and speakers and see how close I could get to that warm, singing, Fuchs-type tone.

Minh

Snakum:

You might want to take a look at the "new" Classic 30 head, (instead of the combo) and match it with a really nice sounding cabinet for the tones you're after. Even the matching 2 x 12 tweed cabinet it comes with might work with a pair of Tonespotters, Red, White, and Blues, Wizards, or a combination of say a Wizard and a Tonespotter. I have always thought that the Classic 30 was 60% - 70% "there," and with some decent tubes, speakers, and maybe a mod or two, you just might get pretty darn close.

Chuck

[Snakum]

My dealer is checking on the cab for me, I thought I'd buy another combo and the matching cab and put Emi speakers in all around. Every other Classic I've owned I used JJ tubes and Greenback/Private Jack speakers, and this yields a very useable classic rock and blues vibe. Very nice.

For the next one, I thought about about really putting a little money into it to see how close I could get to the Fuchs/Two Rock thing. Along with the right kind of speakers and tubes, there has to be some way to mod the boards to yield that syrupy sustain. Maybe put a Zendrive in my chain, too. The Voodoo modded Classic 50 was getting close, I thought, in both channels. I'd probably start with the Voodoo mod unless someone had a better idea.

Any ideas?

Minh

[Scooter]

My Red Fang blew last weekend. I'm using it in a Dr. Z Mazerati 1x12 combo (32 watts). I've never cranked the amp past 11:00, so I'm wondering why it would have blown. Wouldn't this speaker be a safe bet in this amp, or should I have gone with a speaker with a higher rating?

While we're on the subject, what else exists in the Eminence line that has similar tonal characteristics to the Red Fang, higher power handling, and perhaps a bit more low end?

[Gretschman]

Most of the guys that do my Amp work tell me that the rateings on the power output are usually an approximate wild ass guess.

There are several factors to consider . Transformer size , Tubes and their settings , as well as use of pedals ect.

Your Dr. Z unit probably put out a lot more power than the rateing.

I only have one Amp that I use, that is useing the same speaker rateing as the head .Everything else I have , I use 20% or greater difference , so I won't blow my speakers .

You might consider a Man O War or a Red Ryder . I like them fine , they both have a nice bottom end . Very clean tops .

Your speaker does have a 5 year Waranty

[Roccaforte Amps]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gretschman
[B]Most of the guys that do my Amp work tell me that the rateings on the power output are usually an approximate wild ass guess.







Who says this? Any qualified amp builder/tech
can check power output. I do it daily in my shop.
It tends to be the solid state stuff has BS/guessed power
"ratings".

[ericb]

Originally posted by Scooter
My Red Fang blew last weekend. I'm using it in a Dr. Z Mazerati 1x12 combo (32 watts). I've never cranked the amp past 11:00, so I'm wondering why it would have blown. Wouldn't this speaker be a safe bet in this amp, or should I have gone with a speaker with a higher rating?

While we're on the subject, what else exists in the Eminence line that has similar tonal characteristics to the Red Fang, higher power handling, and perhaps a bit more low end?

Hey there, the only speakers I've blown over the years, were never a result of wrongly matched power ratings.. It's my experience and opinion that speakers blow as much from jolts/surges, BANGS, and just general slight defects as from mismatching power. My friend who has a huge reconing business showed me once how a magnet can move just a slight amount just by banging heavy cabinets.. Of course he owns a large sound company too and has moved AND BANGED heavy cabinets thousands of times for thousands of big gigs, but just by chance sometimes that stuff happens. GOOD LUCK

ERIC

[Gretschman]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gretschman
[B]Most of the guys that do my Amp work tell me that the rateings on the power output are usually an approximate wild ass guess.


Who says this? Any qualified amp builder/tech
can check power output. I do it daily in my shop.
It tends to be the solid state stuff has BS/guessed power
"ratings".

The man said he was running 33 watts into a 30 watt speaker .

Unless you can test his unit over the internet , then you can not be sure how much power he is pushing through that unit .

There is always variables in the tube amp world , if there wasn't , you would not bother to test your units .
Do all tube types put out the same ammount of power ?
does the setup and bias make a power difference ?
does the transformer change the power output ?
Does the use of high gain pedals matter ?
What about the circuit ?

Like I said you can guess at it , or you may even be able to nail it , when its in your shop , the issue here is no one knows what happens after it leaves the manufacturers control , what people will do to it , or change , or what things they use to play through , or what tubes they stuck in it !

The point of my post to that fellow was to be suspicious of HIS amp rateing , especially if he blew a Red Fang !

Also , since you make amps , I will say that you know more than I would about the technical issues here . If I am not correct , then I misunderstood the amp builders here in town . But I don't think so .

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Gretschman
The man said he was running 33 watts into a 30 watt speaker .

Unless you can test his unit over the internet , then you can not be sure how much power he is pushing through that unit .

There is always variables in the tube amp world , if there wasn't , you would not bother to test your units .
Do all tube types put out the same ammount of power ?
does the setup and bias make a power difference ?
does the transformer change the power output ?
Does the use of high gain pedals matter ?
What about the circuit ?

Like I said you can guess at it or you may even be able to nail it , when its in your shop , the issue here is no one knows what happens after it leaves your control what people will do or change or what things they use to play through .

The point of my post to that fellow was to be suspicious of HIS amp rateing , especially if he blew a Red Fang !

Also , since you make amps , I will say that you know more than I would about the technical issues here . If I not correct , then I misunderstood the amp buliders here in town .





Well, maybe I missunderstood what he meant by amp techs saying the power ratings were a guess. I'm running a fever right now, so who knows? Guess I should hit the bed.

[Soundhound]

I've got a 4 el84 30w 112 combo (George Dennis Mighty Mouse) that I'm looking to replace the speaker in. The amp seems to have plenty of grind from the tubes, and sounds pretty good, but does sound a little boxy, and I'd like to find a speaker with more of a 3D, complex sound. I don't think I need earlier breakup, the amp has plenty of breakup from the tubes. It comes with a celestion G12k100.

I'm interested in the eminence line and I'm thinking of the Tonker, Red White and Blues, or Maybe Wizard or Governor. Anyone think those choices make sense, or recommend another?

I'm also putting together a 112 cab to go with this amp, and also to be used with my Meteor 40w (big blackface tone). For that cab I'm thinking a Wizard or Maybe Tonker?

(oh yeah, I play blues, country, jazz, classic rock, everything but high gain stuff, look for jimi, robben ford, mick taylor tones..)

Suggestions? Idears? Thanks!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Soundhound
I've got a 4 el84 30w 112 combo (George Dennis Mighty Mouse) that I'm looking to replace the speaker in. The amp seems to have plenty of grind from the tubes, and sounds pretty good, but does sound a little boxy, and I'd like to find a speaker with more of a 3D, complex sound. I don't think I need earlier breakup, the amp has plenty of breakup from the tubes. It comes with a celestion G12k100.

I'm interested in the eminence line and I'm thinking of the Tonker, Red White and Blues, or Maybe Wizard or Governor. Anyone think those choices make sense, or recommend another?

I'm also putting together a 112 cab to go with this amp, and also to be used with my Meteor 40w (big blackface tone). For that cab I'm thinking a Wizard or Maybe Tonker?

(oh yeah, I play blues, country, jazz, classic rock, everything but high gain stuff, look for jimi, robben ford, mick taylor tones..)

Suggestions? Idears? Thanks!







So far my favorite models are;
Wizard, Man'O'War, Govenor, Tonker, Red Fang, Texas Heat, Swamp Thang, and Tone Spotter.

[carltonh]

So Doug, did you ever post (or complete) your review of the Patriot line of the Eminence models?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by carltonh
So Doug, did you ever post (or complete) your review of the Patriot line of the Eminence models?







I recently just got started, I'll be posting a reveiw of the Swamp Thang, and Texas Heat soon.
I will tell you this, both are amazing so far. I just need to run a few more amps through them.

OK, an admission here; I know I've posted many times my feelings on Alnico's, but I'm now a believer!
I ran a Rockie on a Rocca 2 12" loaded with Red Fangs,
and I'm blown away! I have two Rocca 2 12's with NOS P12N's in them, and the Red Fang loaded cab came out on top both in my opinions, and everyone who tried them without knowing what was in all three cabs. Amazingly, the one Red Fang loaded cab was easily picked as the best sounding of the three. FYI

[Roccaforte Amps]

The Texas Heats;

Damn, want a bold thick sound, very vintage, thumping bass, cutting mids,
and smooth as hell at the same time??????

I love these speakers, couldn't get a bad tone out of them.
Sheesh, this is getting so hard for me, so many great speakers,
what do we do with all these?

[Boogie92801]

Doug,
I had a cab built and put a set of Texas Heats in it for the bandmaster you did for me they work great. I recently let a friend run a Top hat king royal through it. We tried a mix of a bunch of speakers in the combo and we tried it through my cab and I thought the heats were the best of the bunch. Very thick.

[Boogs]

Sheesh, this is getting so hard for me, so many great speakers,
what do we do with all these?

This is exactly the problem - too many options! It's all making me a bit... :NUTS

[rockon1]

The Texas Heats;

Damn, want a bold thick sound, very vintage, thumping bass, cutting mids,
and smooth as hell at the same time??????

I love these speakers, couldn't get a bad tone out of them.
Sheesh, this is getting so hard for me, so many great speakers,
what do we do with all these?


So would you say this might be a good speaker to tame a bright amp?I find my JSX has more than its share of high end.

[carltonh]

So would you say this might be a good speaker to tame a bright amp?I find my JSX has more than its share of high end.
Probably Tonespotter. The Texas Heat tames a little bit of highs, but might not be British enough for the JSX. Big Ben too, but you’re not likely to use 15s with that. Cannabis Rex too might be good. I don’t think think any others would tame bright amps.

[Roccaforte Amps]

So would you say this might be a good speaker to tame a bright amp?I find my JSX has more than its share of high end.





Depends on the amp, I didn't have any issues with Fender style products,
or Vox.
The Swamp Thang's are just as amazing as the Heats, a boatload of headroom, and bottom end.

[rockon1]

Depends on the amp, I didn't have any issues with Fender style products,
or Vox.
The Swamp Thang's are just as amazing as the Heats, a boatload of headroom, and bottom end.

Well I think the JSX is naturally on the bright side. V-30/G12h-30 combo almost gets me where I want to be but are still a tad on the bright side with the volume up. I want to try one of the vast Eminence line thats darker than these or should I say better suited for a brighter amp. carltonh suggested the tonespotter as it is more in line with the JSX's british flavor.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Well I think the JSX is naturally on the bright side. V-30/G12h-30 combo almost gets me where I want to be but are still a tad on the bright side with the volume up. I want to try one of the vast Eminence line thats darker than these or should I say better suited for a brighter amp. carltonh suggested the tonespotter as it is more in line with the JSX's british flavor.




The Tonespotters are great, but I've never worried much about bright as I do about tone, amps have tone controls. I'm happy this way!
The Heats, and Swamps are killer, and huge bottom end!

[straightblues]

Which one of these Eminence would match up with my Dr. Z Carmen Ghia. The Vintage 30 it came with is too bright and harsh. I am looking for something warmer and smoother. The Carmen Ghia is suppose to be 18 watts but it is loud. So an ineffecent speaker to tame the volume a little bit wouldn't be a bad thing either. What about the Red Fang? Please recommend some others!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Which one of these Eminence would match up with my Dr. Z Carmen Ghia. The Vintage 30 it came with is too bright and harsh. I am looking for something warmer and smoother. The Carmen Ghia is suppose to be 18 watts but it is loud. So an ineffecent speaker to tame the volume a little bit wouldn't be a bad thing either. What about the Red Fang? Please recommend some others!




Red Fang would be my first choice, then Govenor, then Wizard.

[davetcan]

Doug, or anyone who would know :)
I just picked a 1970 Bandmaster Reverb Head and I'm running it into an Avatar 2 x 12 cab loaded with Tonkers, the cab is 8 ohms. I think the Bandmaster is actually looking for a 4 ohm load, how would you compare the cab I have to the same thing loaded with a couple of 8 ohm Texas Heats for a total of 4 ohms. Any other speakers you would like/suggest with this set up?

thanks,

Dave

[Boogie92801]

My Bandmaster reverb into the texas heats sounds great I think.

[Strung Up]

OK, stupid question time:

I put an Two Rock/Eminence 12-65 in a front-loaded 1x12 and loved it. However, I had to redrill mounting holes to adapt to the Eminence spacing.

Now I'd like to swap one for a Weber Cali that's in a THD 2x12, which is rear mount with threaded inserts. Am I going to have to redrill and 'washer' it up or jerry-rig something else?

Thanks in advance.

[BFC]

Still love my Texas Heats. Had 'em for well over a year and a half and they've broken in very, very nicely.

[dbeeman]

Now I'd like to swap one for a Weber Cali that's in a THD 2x12, which is rear mount with threaded inserts. Am I going to have to redrill and 'washer' it up or jerry-rig something else?


The Emis have different hole spacing then Celestions, etc

You can usually solve this by making the EMI speaker mounting holes slightly larger. Just get a drill bit a bit larger than the holes in the EMI frame and run it through the Speakers's bolt holes.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Doug, or anyone who would know :)
I just picked a 1970 Bandmaster Reverb Head and I'm running it into an Avatar 2 x 12 cab loaded with Tonkers, the cab is 8 ohms. I think the Bandmaster is actually looking for a 4 ohm load, how would you compare the cab I have to the same thing loaded with a couple of 8 ohm Texas Heats for a total of 4 ohms. Any other speakers you would like/suggest with this set up?

thanks,

Dave




I'm not familiar with Avatar products, so I really can't say.
However, the Heats and Thangs offer a bit more smooth
compression than the Tonkers.

[Boogs]

In Cannabis Rex news, mine has continued to break in, even after dozens and dozens of hours of pounding...and I'm not even saying that to piss ericb off! ;) The top end has continued to open up very subtly over time, and I really like this speaker. I currently have it internal in my Classic 30, with the Patriot "family weirdo", the Blue Tick Hound, running in an external cab. I have the C30's mids cranked to compensate for the Blue Tick mid-scoop, and am getting tons of mid-centered cleans from the Rex, along with some upper and lower end break up from the Tick. Unusual, but sweet combination!

On the other hand, I'm loving my Wizard 2x12 with my X100b to death, as well. The Wiz really adds some chunk and sweet top end to the fine cleans of the amp. Man, get some crisp 6L6's behing that wicked Wizard bottom end and kick on an UberMetal... cuts like a battle axe. The contrast between cleans and powerful overdrive in this rig is amazing, and the Emi's are a big part.

:dude

[Tomo]

Hi Guys,

It's nice to hear that you are enjoying your Eminence speakers.

I am still enjoying my Tonespotters in my Bob Burt V12s cab.
Sound so awesome. I am still using others.... Red White & Blues
great on Fender combos... a bit more top end than Texas Heat.
both 38 oz. magnet. Governors are great... but I am gonna
use my Wizard again. Tonker... 59oz. magnet & 2 "voice coil
makes big fat bottom, nice speaker as well as the Swamp Thang.
I also liked my Red Ryder for 1 12 cab. I am happy with all these.

Tomo

[Roccaforte Amps]

Well folks, its been months and I'm still loving Eminence Red Coats.
I need some more time,on the Patriots I only managed to get to the Swamp Thangs, and Texas Heats so far. Which BTW, are absolutely amazing with Fender Based amplifiers.They'll make your twin reverb sing!
I highly recomend these two for jazz, and metal. They handle drop tunings real well.

[rockon1]

Well folks, its been months and I'm still loving Eminence Red Coats.
I need some more time,on the Patriots I only managed to get to the Swamp Thangs, and Texas Heats so far. Which BTW, are absolutely amazing with Fender Based amplifiers.They'll make your twin reverb sing!
I highly recomend these two for jazz, and metal. They handle drop tunings real well.


jazz....and metal?

[Roccaforte Amps]

jazz....and metal?






Yes. On the jazz side of things, these two speakers sound amazing through Fenders, really opens up the tone and depth, yet still retaining
a very organic sound. You're able to get way more clean volume too,
they're very efficient. They also have a hint of that 50yr old P12N dryness in thier basic sound. I don't hear this in too many new speakers,
their Red Fang has some of this too.
On the metal side, they handle the lows of drop tuning well without mushing out. I could hear everything going on at high 100watt volume.
I don't play metal, I use drop D for other stuff, but its easy to go metal when you need to!

[Roccaforte Amps]

Doug,
I had a cab built and put a set of Texas Heats in it for the bandmaster you did for me they work great. I recently let a friend run a Top hat king royal through it. We tried a mix of a bunch of speakers in the combo and we tried it through my cab and I thought the heats were the best of the bunch. Very thick.





The Heats are great. Man, I wish I had room for about 20 different cabs,
I know exactly what I'd load them with.

[carltonh]

Doug, now that you've reviewed the Texas Heats, I'm curious how you think it compares to the Man-o-War. It seems few people have tried both, but I'm curious if my next speaker should be a Man-o-War, Tonespotter, or just another Texas Heat.

I'm guessing that the Man-o-War is slightly brighter, slightly more midrange volume, slightly more British, and about the same speaker breakup?

[Roccaforte Amps]

Doug, now that you've reviewed the Texas Heats, I'm curious how you think it compares to the Man-o-War. It seems few people have tried both, but I'm curious if my next speaker should be a Man-o-War, Tonespotter, or just another Texas Heat.

I'm guessing that the Man-o-War is slightly brighter, slightly more midrange volume, slightly more British, and about the same speaker breakup?






The Man'O'War in a 4 12" is amazing, does all the right things for me.
Very British, but thats with running a British style amp, the midrange is just right for me. If I had only had them 33yrs ago.....
For 2 12" open back, I wouldn't be running 100+watt amps on a pair.
They breakup smooth, but the type of amp used has something to do with that.
In guitar amplifiers we have preamp distortion, output tube, output transformer, and speaker distortion. Knowing if its speaker distortion
you're hearing is a very hard thing to sometimes pick out.
I think everyone just needs to experience what these speakers can do for themselves, and keep trying them until you get the "one".
On the American side of things, the Heats have a hint of that 50yr old P12N vibe too them, and with HiFi like amps such as blk/silvr Fender circuits, the tone is open and wide. Bass notes are piano like, which is what I look for in US sounding amps and mated cabinets.

[fast ricky love]

I LOVE my Texas Heat in my '65 BFDR, but I still wonder what a Cannibus Rex or a Tonespotter would be like in comparision... Anyone know what the differences would be?

[dbeeman]

Tonespotter is smoother and less edgy to my ears. Have not tried the Rex

[fast ricky love]

Really? Hmmm, sound like I'd like the Tonespotter a lot then...

[Tomo]

I love my Tonespotter.


Tomo

[SuperReverb2]

I was using the Tonespotters in my 1978 Super Reverb, (modded to a 2 x 12) with my Zendrive and my 10th Anniversary Edition Full-Drive2 Mosfet Edition. GREAT speakers!! I prefer them over the Red, White, and Blues for the RF, Carlton thing, but the RWB's are pretty decent speakers in their own right as well.
The chassis for my SR is currently at Andy Fuch's "house" getting his mods done, and the Tonespotters will be the speaker of "choice" when it returns.

Chuck

[KLINKDETROIT]

Doug, now that you've reviewed the Texas Heats, I'm curious how you think it compares to the Man-o-War. It seems few people have tried both, but I'm curious if my next speaker should be a Man-o-War, Tonespotter, or just another Texas Heat.

I'm guessing that the Man-o-War is slightly brighter, slightly more midrange volume, slightly more British, and about the same speaker breakup?

I have tried a ton of the new Eminence speakers as well as a few Celestions and will have some tone clips soon. That said You are right about your guess on the Manowar. The Texas heats resonant frequency is at (79hz & 99db) and sounds closer to the g12t75 at (85hz 97db) in its darkness and highs and thump but the texas is a little cleaner and has more thump in the lows. The Manowar is around 97hz and louder than the Texas at 102db. It has more grit and mids and compliments the Texas or g12t75 but lacks the thump that rock/metal guys are used to although you dont really need all that thump do ya. The Manowar mixed with the Governor is great. Right now I have 2 Voodoo amps cabs and a Mesa cab. In the Mesa I have a Hellatone 60 and Governor on top and a Manowar and g12t75 on the bottom
The Voodoo closed back 4x12 there is 2 wizards on top and a Swamp thang and Texas on the bottom.
The Voodoo rear loaded cab has a Hellatone 30 and Governor on top and a Texas and g12t75 on the bottom. I did have a Red Ryder on the bottom but will be trading it for either a Swamp thang or greenback?

My favorite combo if I had to choose two in a cab would be the Governor or v30 mixed with a Texas heat or g12t75 or Manowar. The other combo is the Wizard mixed with the Swamp thang. For cleans the Tonker and the Texas rules.

[KLINKDETROIT]

Given the whole Wizard=G12H30 and Governor=Vintage 30 thing...and that the G12H30/Vin30 seems to be the defacto combination for most...

Has anyone actually tried a Wizard/Governor combination in a 2X12 or 4X12??

And if so, how were the results?


I have been running that combo as well as Governor/Manowar and Wizard/Swamp thang. They all sound great. The Wizard/Governor mixes great for Rock/classic rockl but dous not have the low frequencies associated with metal. The Governor/Manowar is suited for Metal perfectly. The Wizard/Swamp thang doesnt have the low frequency either but sound great for both classic rock/metal and has a very meaty tone. It seems Celestions have lower resonant frequencies. Eminence should consider having these frequencies available in their clones as the clones are lacking that. Some may say that the Eminence speakers are better for their higher resonant frequencies as they may cut through the mix better. I still find myself mixing a couple Celestions with a couple of Eminence and the only reason is the lower resonant frequency of the Celestions. I think in alot of ways the Eminence are better than the Celestions they copy but Eminence should consider these lower frequencies as the leg shaking thump has been lost on alot of the Eminence line. I do find that the Texas heat sounds the most like a Celestion as the resonant frequency is at 79 and it blends well with Celestions and Eminence while still retaining the lows that metal guys crave.

[granite]

Hey check out the Fang/Wizard pairing in the following thread.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=121636

[Roccaforte Amps]

Hey check out the Fang/Wizard pairing in the following thread.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=121636






I love both speakers, but separately.
The Fangs IMO sound way better than celest blues, I was just comparing them last week. When doing this I also AB'd them to a pair of NOS jensen P12N's, the fangs and these were very close tonally, couldn't say which was better.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Both recordings were done with the same guitar and amp,
and a 4 12" cab loaded with Eminence Man'O'War's"




http://members.cox.net/gsmart1/Arti...0Track%2001.mp3 (http://members.cox.net/gsmart1/Arti...0Track%2001.mp3)


http://www.eddegenaro.com/drbackintracks/sibly01.mp3 (http://www.eddegenaro.com/drbackintracks/sibly01.mp3)

[jockman]

I now have a C-rex in my 1x12 Park combo, best thing I bought in 2005.
Great speaker.

[Buckeyedog]

Sounds stellar Doug! Very nice indeed.

[SoCalSteve]

Do you folks have a suggestion for me? I have a Traynor YCV50 which is a British-voiced EL34 based 50 watt 1x12. I find the stock Vintage 30 to be on the harsh end. I've tried a Legend V12 and while initially it is smoother, it doesn't sound as 'lively' as the Vintage 30. So I guess I'm looking for smoother, rounder highs with a tight bottom end for a Brit-voiced combo.

Steve

[tedjac]

Hi all,

I'm new here and have spent the last couple of hours reading thru this thread. I have a Fuchs ODS 30 SLX 112 combo on order and have the freedom to tell Andy Fuchs to put in whatever speaker I want.

Here's the question: I'm looking for a sound from my guitar (ES-style guitar) that is sort of Robben Ford, Larry Carlton... with a litle Eric Johnson potential thrown in... and I've had EVM12L speakers before that I remember liking the tone of. I'm not into metal, but like a more refined jazz/blues/fusion sound. (I also will be getting a Strat to add some new sounds to the mix.)

I've listened to clips until my ears are about to fall off. Scott Lerner had a "Swamp Thing" clip that I liked on his site, so I think I'm leaning that way... but I've heard others say the Red, White and Blues would be a better choice... and others that the Texas Heat would be where to go.

I'm looking for that singing, almost violin like tone but with some definition. I like overdrive... but not a Marshally tone. As Fuchs amps are based on Dumbles, which are based on Fenders, I guess I'm in the Patriot camp. I like smooth, refined lead tone, not "British" breakup. Don't get me wrong, a Marshall driving 8 big twelves can be awesome... it's just not what I'm looking to sound like.

Opinions and experience with any of these Eminenece speakers (Swamp Thang, RWBs, Texas Heat) are welcomed. By the way, I've thought about just finding a NOS EVM12L somewhere, but everyone wants $200-$300 for one... if you can find a NEW one.

Ted

[Roccaforte Amps]

Sounds stellar Doug! Very nice indeed.





gracias

[gtrnstuff]

Hi all,

I'm looking for that singing, almost violin like tone but with some definition. I like overdrive... but not a Marshally tone. As Fuchs amps are based on Dumbles, which are based on Fenders, I guess I'm in the Patriot camp. I like smooth, refined lead tone, not "British" breakup. Don't get me wrong, a Marshall driving 8 big twelves can be awesome... it's just not what I'm looking to sound like.

Opinions and experience with any of these Eminenece speakers (Swamp Thang, RWBs, Texas Heat) are welcomed. By the way, I've thought about just finding a NOS EVM12L somewhere, but everyone wants $200-$300 for one... if you can find a NEW one.

Ted


I have a Texas Heat, Governor, Wizard, Weber 12F150 and Blue Dog, Celestion V30, G12H30, EVM12L from the 80's, and a few others. IMO, lots of the "Brit" tone comes from the dip @1.5k you can see on the graphs. The TX heat has that, the RW&B does not. So I can guesstimate that you would prefer the RW&B. My TX Heat reminds me of a punchy, slightly less sparkly Celestion.

[LarryN]

I know Robben Ford has been using Tonkers lately. He used to use G12-65 Celestions. Carlton uses an EV still.

[tfunster]

I'm hoping someone can lend some advice here. I have a Matchless Lightning clone that I'm running through a Private Jack, which sounds pretty good--- nicely balanced and detailed, but I am wondering about the Red Fang, to maybe approach a more Voxy style sound, as I know that the Lightning is loosely derived from the Vox. I wanna add more chime without making the tone too bright, as the Lightning is bright enough as it as.

Has anyone compared the two??? Which one has a thicker sound??? Do you think the Red Fang will add a littl more "unique character" to the sound??? thanx.

[Boogie92801]

My Lightning is running on the stock Celestion. I Have thought of running it into my 2x12 cab with Texas Heats but I have been to lazy.

I think the heats might be a really good match for it. I heard a Top hat 4xEL84 amp run through my cab and it sounded great.

Since the Lightning is bright I think the thikness of the heats might work well.

By the way how does that clone sound? I love my lightning.

[tfunster]

My Lightning is running on the stock Celestion. I Have thought of running it into my 2x12 cab with Texas Heats but I have been to lazy.

I think the heats might be a really good match for it. I heard a Top hat 4xEL84 amp run through my cab and it sounded great.

Since the Lightning is bright I think the thikness of the heats might work well.

By the way how does that clone sound? I love my lightning.

The Lightning clone is a great amp. It was built by eddiejg from ebay using top notch components, PTP wired and all. I also have a pentode/triode switch to go from 7 to 14 watts. I have played a couple of real lightnings, although not side by side, and my clone sounds very close to the real deal. I keep it on the triode setting as I can't crank the master over 1 in my apartment. I think that my clone has more gain than a standard Lightning, with high output humbuckers, this thing really cranks when I turn the volume and master to 10 at a rehearsal studio. Best of all, it cost about 1/5 less than a real one too. The only problem is that I'm totally gassing for an Allen amp, so this baby might have to go sooner or later. But until then....

[Swain]

I've been running 2 x Texas Heats with my Budda Twinmaster Plus. Previously, I had been using 2 x Celestions. I'm not sure if they were V30, or Greenbacks. They were a loaner from a friend. He couldn't remember what they were. Anyway, the Heats seem to be WAY brighter. And the low end is clean, but much different.
I still am getting used to the Heats. But, they seem to add a lot of range in the high end. A lot more variety, than I had before. The low end of the Celestions was really nice. I kind of miss that. I may want to try a mix of the Heat, and either a Wizard, Cannabis Rex, or Red Fang. My amp, is a 30 watt head. A LOUD 30 watts.
If I decide on a mix, then what would you guys suggest?

[Electric I]

I've been running 2 x Texas Heats with my Budda Twinmaster Plus. Previously, I had been using 2 x Celestions. I'm not sure if they were V30, or Greenbacks. They were a loaner from a friend. He couldn't remember what they were. Anyway, the Heats seem to be WAY brighter. And the low end is clean, but much different.
I still am getting used to the Heats. But, they seem to add a lot of range in the high end. A lot more variety, than I had before. The low end of the Celestions was really nice. I kind of miss that. I may want to try a mix of the Heat, and either a Wizard, Cannabis Rex, or Red Fang. My amp, is a 30 watt head. A LOUD 30 watts.
If I decide on a mix, then what would you guys suggest?

Still sorting out what is what with the Eminence line, so I can't really make a knowledgeable suggestion.

First I've heard of the Heats being bright & not enough low end.

Regardless, consider this a bump to get a response from someone who can steer you in the right direction.

[SoCalSteve]

Do you folks have a suggestion for me? I have a Traynor YCV50 which is a British-voiced EL34 based 50 watt 1x12. I find the stock Vintage 30 to be on the harsh end. I've tried a Legend V12 and while initially it is smoother, it doesn't sound as 'lively' as the Vintage 30. So I guess I'm looking for smoother, rounder highs with a tight bottom end for a Brit-voiced combo.

Steve

Anyone...........Bueller............?

[tedjac]

Steve,

Folks looking for a good Brit sounding speaker have had great things to say about the Emi Tonespotter and Wizard. The whole Eminence Red Coat line seems to be aimed at the Brit-Celestion voiced speaker fan... but I bet you knew that already... so, sorry if I'm saying something that is common knowledge around here.

[Boogs]

Steve - I think the Wizard would do you right. It's a great speaker with a tight bottom end (and lots of it), nice attack and detail, with a sweet, complex top end. It never sounds harsh to me, either.

[SoCalSteve]

Thanks guys. I may give the Wizard a shot, although I just came back from reading about the Scumbacks and am intrigued but not sure if I wanna put those kind of dollars into my combo.

[Boogs]

Thanks guys. I may give the Wizard a shot, although I just came back from reading about the Scumbacks and am intrigued but not sure if I wanna put those kind of dollars into my combo.

The Scumbacks are very well regarded, but I know what you mean about the prices too. If you go with the Wizard, it may need a bit of breaking in to sound it's best - the first one I got needed a good pounding, the second one only a couple of hours. I'm really happy with mine though, alone in a combo, in a 2x12 cab together or with my Cannabis Rex, and for every guitar and amp (not many, but FWIW) I have.

[Jack Walker]

Steve - I think the Wizard would do you right. It's a great speaker with a tight bottom end (and lots of it), nice attack and detail, with a sweet, complex top end. It never sounds harsh to me, either.

I'm using tonkers in a Z-best cabinet right now and I'm very happy with them especially with a Rt 66 or my Allen Tone Savor. I wonder how they stand up to the wizards or if a wizard/tonker mix would be interesting?
The tonkers do have a slightly pronounced midrange (around 800hz) that really brings out the sweetness in the middle position on a two humbucker guitar as well as the front position. 335 type guitars sound especially nice through that cabinet.

[janek]

Hi , i `ve read all posts , i bought 2 new speakers ( cannabis rex - breaking in ,and Tonespotter - not installed yet) but is there any noticeable difference between Red Fanf and Legend 122 for example?
I`m also interested in the deepest , creamy sounding Eminence speaker for cranked Hiwatt...
Any suggestions?

[Boogs]

I`m also interested in the deepest , creamy sounding Eminence speaker for cranked Hiwatt...

Not sure that I've tried any that fit that description...haven't tried many, though, and I might define the word differently.

Just a caution, though. Their site describes the Blue Tick Hound as creamy and smooth, but that's not my description at all. To me it's scooped with a not unpleasant, but pronounced treble bite. Generally, I think their descriptions are good, but in this case not so IMO.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Not sure that I've tried any that fit that description...haven't tried many, though, and I might define the word differently.

Just a caution, though. Their site describes the Blue Tick Hound as creamy and smooth, but that's not my description at all. To me it's scooped with a not unpleasant, but pronounced treble bite. Generally, I think their descriptions are good, but in this case not so IMO.





With what kind of amplifier, just curious.

[Boogs]

With what kind of amplifier, just curious.

With a Classic 30 (EL84) and a Carvin X100b (6L6), and mostly 'buckers. Not a bad speaker, if unusual sounding, just don't think it sounds like it's description, which is something Emi usually does good job with. Maybe it's a dud, or maybe they sprinkled something different on their Cheerios that day.

[el34power]

FWIW i was told by someone at peavey that the "blue marvel" is basically a blue tick hound.

[Roccaforte Amps]

With a Classic 30 (EL84) and a Carvin X100b (6L6), and mostly 'buckers. Not a bad speaker, if unusual sounding, just don't think it sounds like it's description, which is something Emi usually does good job with. Maybe it's a dud, or maybe they sprinkled something different on their Cheerios that day.




I haven't tried this speaker yet, but I do know both of your amplifiers.
They're very glassy sounding amps, I would recomend you try something along the lines of the Red Ryder, or Stonehenge.
Their speaker descriptions were based on certain amplifiers, however I'm not sure which ones they used?
I've ignored their descriptions and just tried them all, I understand not everyone is in a position to do this, but its really the best way to know what its going to do with your gear. Too many variables involved, pedals, tubes, pickups, guitars, players.....ect

[Red Planet]

Plus one on the Wizard just socked one into my SDG Vintage 5E3 very sweet sounding in that Amp. I think I'm done trying speakers in this baby finally. The Celestions I tried worked for a while but never were warm enuff though this is a very warm sounding amp.

[Boogs]

They're very glassy sounding amps, I would recomend you try something along the lines of the Red Ryder, or Stonehenge.

The Stonehenge is f*****g fantastic in the Classic 30. Didn't like it with the X100b for some reason...it's such a clean and neutral amp that it needs something to goose it a bit.

Unfortunately, the 'Henge only comes in 8ohms, and I grew tired of the funny wiring arrangements necessary to use it in the Classic 30 along with an extension cab. I had to wire the Stonehenge and the ext. cab in series from the Classic's internal lead, and that just wasn't fun. ;)

EDIT: Forgot to mention...The Red Ryder appeals to me, and I will probably try that one out too...thanks!

[Roccaforte Amps]

The Stonehenge is f*****g fantastic in the Classic 30. Didn't like it with the X100b for some reason...it's such a clean and neutral amp that it needs something to goose it a bit.

Unfortunately, the 'Henge only comes in 8ohms, and I grew tired of the funny wiring arrangements necessary to use it in the Classic 30 along with an extension cab. I had to wire the Stonehenge and the ext. cab in series from the Classic's internal lead, and that just wasn't fun. ;)

EDIT: Forgot to mention...The Red Ryder appeals to me, and I will probably try that one out too...thanks!



You're welcome. I haven't tried anything in the Red Coat line I didn't like, they're all really great.

[Boogs]

I haven't tried anything in the Red Coat line I didn't like, they're all really great.

Only tried the Wizard and Stonehenge so far, but they are two of the finest cones I've heard.

They really need to put the 'Henge out in 16 ohm. That is such a fine speaker I've got half a mind to grab another amp just so I can load one in it.

[Driver]

has it already been mentioned what current eminence most closely replicates a vintage fane?

[Tomo]

Commnwealth (Great clean tone! 4" voice coil)

Tonker Lite

Texas Heat Lite

Those are 12s.

One more.... 10... Little buddy? I did forget
the name.


Tomo

[RMosack]

has it already been mentioned what current eminence most closely replicates a vintage fane?It's been many pages since I last looked at this thread, but from what I recall...
The Tonker -- Fane
Private Jack -- The Governor
The Governor -- Vintage 30
Red Fang -- Alnico Blue
Red Ryder -- Classic Lead 80
The Wizard -- G12H ??? (cross between Private Jack and Governor, so not too sure...)
The Tonespotter -- G12H65 ??? (not too sure here...)
Man O War -- G12T-75

Sorry in advance if I'm way off on any of these.

HTH

[Driver]

actually, on the ear candy site, they list the Black Powder as copy of the G12T-75.

[Roccaforte Amps]

has it already been mentioned what current eminence most closely replicates a vintage fane?





Tonker

[yannis]

Has anyone tried any Redcoat/Legend series speakers with Laney combos?

I was told by a UK dealer that a PvtJack, Governor , GB12, 121, would fit my bill for reducing harshness/brightness and get a more full bodied sound for 60s/70s hardrock (Zepellin, Sabbath etc and GnR),

Any recommendations between those 4 models? 1x12 open back Laney LC30 combo.

PS. I tried to read the 1st 40pages of this amazing thread then i .... goot.. tired... awesome job though

[Driver]

Tonker


thanks guys!

[BFC]

Commnwealth (Great clean tone! 4" voice coil)

Tonker Lite

Texas Heat Lite

Those are 12s.

One more.... 10... Little buddy? I did forget
the name.


Tomo

Lite as in neo mags? Info please!:D

[Tomo]

Lite as in neo mags? Info please!:D


Hi Brian,

That's right. Light magnet. I played the Tonker Lite,
Texas Heat Lite both sounded really good.

I don't have those here yet. I really need to spend my time
with these.

I am interested in those Lite series and the Commonwealth
120 watts? I think... clean speaker.

Little buddy? hemp cone 10' speaker. Slide guitar, dirty tone.
very cool speaker.

PS, I don't like lite beers. Corona extra is my favorite.
but these lite speakers were great!


Tomo

[BFC]

Hi Brian,

That's right. Light magnet. I played the Tonker Lite,
Texas Heat Lite both sounded really good.

I don't have those here yet. I really need to spend my time
with these.

I am interested in those Lite series and the Commonwealth
120 watts? I think... clean speaker.

Little buddy? hemp cone 10' speaker. Slide guitar, dirty tone.
very cool speaker.

PS, I don't like lite beers. Corona extra is my favorite.
but these lite speakers were great!


Tomo

Hi Tomo,
Thanks for the info. Were you able to get a feel for how they compared to the regular version for tone?

[Gretschman]

For anyone that might have an interest , the Eminence speakers at the Namm show that received the most attention and were the best liked were.

Swampthang
Cannabas Rex
Red White and Blue & Cannabas Rex
Texas Heat
Wizzard
Common Wealth
little buddy 10' Hemp

The Amp that received the most attention was: The Blueverb

The guitar : Les Paul standard

The picks were free
:dude

[Boogs]

I haven't tried this speaker yet, but I do know both of your amplifiers.
They're very glassy sounding amps, I would recomend you try something along the lines of the Red Ryder, or Stonehenge.
Their speaker descriptions were based on certain amplifiers, however I'm not sure which ones they used?
I've ignored their descriptions and just tried them all, I understand not everyone is in a position to do this, but its really the best way to know what its going to do with your gear. Too many variables involved, pedals, tubes, pickups, guitars, players.....ect
Speaking of the Blue Tick Hound... I gotta say "you're right!" ;) I wasn't giving enough credit to amps and circuits in getting a feel for different models of speaker.

I've been looking to run my Valvetrain Champ clone through a 12" for some raw blues action, and finally got to try it out with all of my speakers. It's a sweet handmade little number that sounds great through a Weber Signature 8", so I banged it through the Wizard, the Weber ceramic Blue Dog, Emi GB12, Wizard/Cannabis Rex 2x12 (5 watts into a 2x12 is pretty damn fun), and finally the Blue Tick Hound. Guess which speaker smokes with this circuit? Yep, the Tick!

I ended up loading the Tick into another 1x12, and rigged the Valvetrain chassis in there. It sounds amazing (looks ghetto at this stage, but whatever...), full bottom, makes the 6V6 breakup sound really 3D and dynamic, loves my Keeley Plus Mod TS-9, and the high end sounds DEAD perfect. Not a versatile rig, but great for blues and certain rock sounds.

And to think I was going to try and sell this speaker... :NUTS

[Boogs]

FWIW i was told by someone at peavey that the "blue marvel" is basically a blue tick hound.

Luckily, it's not even close - one Marvel was enough! They really are very different.

[Matt H]

I would personally LOVE to hear more about the "little buddy" 10" (name cracks me up... but i'm actually interested in the speaker... when available? how much? yadda yadda)

[rockon1]

FWIW i was told by someone at peavey that the "blue marvel" is basically a blue tick hound.

No but I was told that the Carvin GS12-75 (20$ blowouts) that I like alot is similar to the Blue Tick hound.



Hi Bob,

Thank you for your inquiry. The Carvin speaker is a custom design. You may
get close to it with our Blue Tick Hound.

http://editweb.iglou.com/eminence/eminence/pages/products02/patriot/bluetick (http://editweb.iglou.com/eminence/eminence/pages/products02/patriot/bluetick)
.htm

Best Regards,

Anthony Lucas
Sr. Lab Technician
Eminence Speaker LLC
anthony.lucas@eminence.com (anthony.lucas@eminence.com)
(502)845-5622 ext. 341

[Boogs]

It sounds like that Carvin speaker is scooped, and at least similar in tyhat respect. I would surprised if it breaks up as early as the Tick...that sucker goes into breakup very quickly. I guess, since I find the Blue Tick so odd, that I have a hard time imagining anything commonly used sounding like it...VERY scooped, VERY quick breakup, and a much different presence peak than I've ever seen. Maybe I'm wrong, it happens (daily).

[Roccaforte Amps]

For anyone that might have an interest , the Eminence speakers at the Namm show that received the most attention and were the best liked were.

Swampthang
Cannabas Rex
Red White and Blue & Cannabas Rex
Texas Heat
Wizzard
Common Wealth
little buddy 10' Hemp

The Amp that received the most attention was: The Blueverb

The guitar : Les Paul standard

The picks were free
:dude







I want free picks:hiP

[el34power]

Luckily, it's not even close - one Marvel was enough! They really are very different.

Well somebody is smokin it!.....

Hi David,

Thank you for your interest in Eminence. Peavey uses custom designed Eminence speakers. The speakers we offer that would be the closest to the Blue Marvel would be the Blue Tick Hound and/or Black Powder.

http://editweb.iglou.com/eminence/eminence/pages/products02/patriot/bluetick.htm

http://editweb.iglou.com/eminence/eminence/pages/products02/patriot/powder.htm

Best Regards,

Anthony Lucas
Senior Lab Technician
Eminence Speaker LLC
anthony.lucas@eminence.com
502-845-5622 Ext. 341

[Boogs]

Well somebody is smokin it!.....



I didn't inhale. ;)

I think there might be a difference between Mr. Lucas saying "if you like that, then you might like this" and calling the designs the same. I own the Blue Tick and the Blue Marvel, and they are not the same sound, or the same quality IMO.

[el34power]

I didn't inhale. ;)

I think there might be a difference between Mr. Lucas saying "if you like that, then you might like this" and calling the designs the same. I own the Blue Tick and the Blue Marvel, and they are not the same sound, or the same quality IMO.

I have a blue Marvel, how would you compare them tone wise?

[rockon1]

Im trying to figure out the "sound" of the Carvin/Eminence that I was told sounds like the Blue Tick. The Blue Tick has a scooped looking graph and the Carvin is much less "pronounced" in the mids than a lot of speakers but I dont think its really scooped. It seems to have smooth,relaxed mids but plenty of them. I think its missing(a good thing for me)more of the upper mids that annoy me.As you turn up the volume it seems to open up,have LOTS of bass,warm mids and smooth highs. If it is scooped I guess thats my ticket!

[Boogs]

I have a blue Marvel, how would you compare them tone wise?
Well, the Blue Tick Hound has more low end. Then the Tick has much more scooped mids. Then there's the high end, which is much, much, peakier in the Marvel than in the Blue Tick. I don't like the Blue Tick for everything, but I like it at all, which is more than I can say for the Blue Marvel. Actually, the Tick LOVES my Valvetrain champ clone circuit, so I put it's chassis in a 1x12 just for that speaker...really sweet combination.

I decided to play through my Blue Marvel the other day, thinking "it couldn't have been that bad...". It was. I had lost track of how much the speaker upgrades had done for my little Classic 30, and that was all the reminder I needed. Had the Tick in there at one point, and though it wasn't the best amp for it (I guess it likes 6V6's more), it was much better than the stock speaker.

[rockon1]

Since this is an Eminence thread I guess I should add that the Carvin GS12-75 is now probably my favorite speaker. My LDC G12H-30 isnt bad but the Carvins just sound smoother and warmer than all the rest without all the upper mids? that bother me in the G12H-30 or V-30.Kind of annoys me that I seem to like a Carvin speaker I paided 20$ for more than the more expensive Celestions!

[gkoelling]

The Emi web site lists some speakers as being good for open or closed back cab's and some just for closed back.

Can anyone tell me if this really makes a difference?

Thanks

[Boogs]

I tried out the Ramrod yesterday. I had picked up a Reverend Goblin with a broken-in Jensen Neo in it - I liked it, but had the Ramrod waiting for it, so I gave the Emi a whirl...

Wow. Sounded great right out of the box, but I sent it through the break-in routine just to be sure. Nice tight low end, beautifully clear mids and highs, really well balanced. After liking the Neo, I was surprised that the Ramrod could completely blow it out of the water. Not even close.

[Roccaforte Amps]

The Emi web site lists some speakers as being good for open or closed back cab's and some just for closed back.

Can anyone tell me if this really makes a difference?

Thanks





Some speakers perform better with back pressure, so the answer is yes.

[SoCalSteve]

Do you Wizard users find them 'nasally'? Does this character go away after a good breaking-in or is it this speaker's voicing? I'm not liking it much because of this, especially played clean.

[Roccaforte Amps]

Do you Wizard users find them 'nasally'? Does this character go away after a good breaking-in or is it this speaker's voicing? I'm not liking it much because of this, especially played clean.




What kind of amp?

[SoCalSteve]

What kind of amp?

It's in a Traynor YCV50. Open back 50 watt combo with EL34's.

[SAMIAM]

I'm currently using a 1x12 closed back cab loaded with a re-issue Green Back to run a 5 watt single ended class A amp thru.What differences might I experience if I was to swap the Greenie with a RED FANG? specifically- would the overall volume increase/decrease? Would speaker breakup occur sooner/later/not at all?I play clean , jazz chords in a guitarist /singer duo , would the RF allow a better "area" sonically for an alto to "sit in" than the Green Back?How about that smooth , warmth the Greenie gives up?Will this increase/decrease by swapping for a RF?Any and all comments , opinions , advice are appreciated !:AOK(BTW-I ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED READING THIS INCREDIBLY LONG THREAD IN IT"S ENTIRETY!DO I WIN ANYTHING?!?!?!?!?)

[Boogie92801]

Yes you win.... a free set of blurry eys!!!!!!:jo

[Jack Walker]

I just bought a Boogie F50 and I'm looking for a speaker to to replace stock one with. I'm trying to trim a littles of the bite. Any suggestions?

[Roccaforte Amps]

I just bought a Boogie F50 and I'm looking for a speaker to to replace stock one with. I'm trying to trim a littles of the bite. Any suggestions?




Try a Govenor, or Red Ryder. The Ryders are a bit darker.

[Ben Furman]

So now GP's product spotlight mentions the new "Lite" series TH and Tonker - but still no info on the Eminence website. When do these go on sale? Are they actually neodymium versions? Similar power handling?

[T.Wesley]

I just put a pair of Governors into my old Peavey Classic 50 to replace the tired old stock speakers (one of which has had a hole in it for at least 3 years).

WOOOOOOOOOOOW!!

Great, huge, massive change in sound quality. I always liked the way this amp sounded, but now - more than ever. Wonderful!

I also put a Ramrod and a Copperhead (10 inchers) in my 65Amps London combo - improved the sound a bit and the upped the volume as well!

Loving these new Eminence speakers ... although they're really not all that new any more, are they??

--chiba

[PRSplaya]

I ran a Governor and a Wizard in my Classic 50, and just loved it to bits! That is defanately a great combination of speakers.

Now I'm running 2 Governors and 2 Wizards in a Marshall 1960a, and it is just amazing at the tone that comes from this cab. I've used several amps with this cab, and it has sounded great with everything. Currently I'm using a PV 5150 combo as a head to run the cab, and it sounds freakin' huge!

On a down note, I did blow one of the Governors with a PV Triple XXX on the clean channel with the master all the way up and the channel volume around 3. It lasted all of 5 seconds like that. The rest of the speakers were fine. So, I sent it back to Eminence and they sent me a brand new one at no charge.

BTW, if the speaker had lasted more than that, I don't believe my ears would have survived. That was some serious volume!

With this cab matched with the 5150 combo, I can't turn the volume up past 11 o'clock or my drummer can't hear what he's playing.

[Glenn_K]

I recently put a Wizard in a 1X12 Reverend cabinet and am enjoying it quite a bit with a Reverend Kingsnake 60w head. Now I'm going to do the same thing with another Reverend cab, but am going to experiment with another Emi speaker. I'm thinking Gov or Man O War. I love the clarity of the Wizard, but it seems just a bit bright for me, at least with the Kingsnake. The Man O is supposed to be nice and articulate yet powerful, so that's appealing. The Gov sounds like it has that good rock n' roll appeal, but I don't want it to be overly blurry/mushy. Any takes?

[tedm]

in an open back.

[Glenn_K]

Yes, this would be an open back.

[Roccaforte Amps]

I recently put a Wizard in a 1X12 Reverend cabinet and am enjoying it quite a bit with a Reverend Kingsnake 60w head. Now I'm going to do the same thing with another Reverend cab, but am going to experiment with another Emi speaker. I'm thinking Gov or Man O War. I love the clarity of the Wizard, but it seems just a bit bright for me, at least with the Kingsnake. The Man O is supposed to be nice and articulate yet powerful, so that's appealing. The Gov sounds like it has that good rock n' roll appeal, but I don't want it to be overly blurry/mushy. Any takes?




Try the Man'o'wars on the ToneSpotters, I love these speakers. Doug

[Glenn_K]

Yeah, actually I just put in a Tonespotter and am giving it a go today! So far, so good.

[Glenn_K]

Ok, the Tonespotter sounds real great overall, but I'm getting a loud paper-sounding vibration when playing the low E string I'm not liking. It keeps vibrating throughout the sustain of the note. I'm wondering if I have a defect. I'm 95% sure it's not the cabinet. I find it pretty hard to believe it's something that will break in. Other low notes exhibit the same problem, but the low E is especially noticeable.

[Glenn_K]

nevermind... found the source of the trouble after much searching. Loose tolex on the old cabinet is flapping. Not visable, but loose enough to flap and vibrate on low notes. Sounds like paper too. Advice on what kind of glue to use?

Anyway, the Tonespotter sounds fantastic. A lot more low end than the Wizard, which I had gotten used to.

[Roccaforte Amps]

nevermind... found the source of the trouble after much searching. Loose tolex on the old cabinet is flapping. Not visable, but loose enough to flap and vibrate on low notes. Sounds like paper too. Advice on what kind of glue to use?

Anyway, the Tonespotter sounds fantastic. A lot more low end than the Wizard, which I had gotten used to.




Use contact cement for the tolex.

[Boogs]

Anyway, the Tonespotter sounds fantastic. A lot more low end than the Wizard, which I had gotten used to.

:eek: Wow. The Wiz does not lack for low end, to say the least.

[Roccaforte Amps]

:eek: Wow. The Wiz does not lack for low end, to say the least.




The Texas Heats kick a bit too, I'm digging them.

[el34power]

Hey Doug while you are here... I am looking for a 50w speaker for my combo that would be sort of "scoopyish" or at least flat. I am now using a Private jack and it sounds great for what it is but i need something for heavier gain tunes... I am liking the specs of the red rider, i am affraid the Gov may have too much mids a la Private Jack!?! Your thoughts?
BTW the combo is a Peavey Prowler 2xEL34.

[tedjac]

I just wanted to be the 2000th post in this thread...!!!

Actually, I can comment on the Eminence Patriot Red, White and Blues speakers that are in my Fuchs combo. I like them a lot. They are smooth, full range and take amp overdrive very nicely. I think I'd say that they are similar to EVM-12L, but maybe a bit more "musical"... less hi-fi sterile. But very balanced and a good choice for someone that wants a speaker that will let the amp do most of the tone shaping.

Ted

[el34power]

Damn! another option:rolleyes: I need a speaker that will make the combo sound less like a combo, so i don't need to lug the JCM around all the time.

Thanks for the input

[carltonh]

Damn! another option:rolleyes: I need a speaker that will make the combo sound less like a combo, so i don't need to lug the JCM around all the time.
Sounds like you want chunky speaker that would match well with Marshall sounds, but sound more like a 4x12 when its really an openback 1x12? The Texas Heat and Tonespotter are probably the best for this. Thicker, deeper bottom end, and slightly warmer highs than some other speakers... like a 4x12 does to an average speaker.

[John Czajkowski]

Sounds like you want chunky speaker that would match well with Marshall sounds, but sound more like a 4x12 when its really an openback 1x12? The Texas Heat and Tonespotter are probably the best for this. Thicker, deeper bottom end, and slightly warmer highs than some other speakers... like a 4x12 does to an average speaker.
I use two Earcandy 1x12 cabs with a Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang. I really enjoy how they record and provide no lack of bass and definition. Anything you hear on my site with darker distorted guitars is the Swamp Thang and cleaner stuff is the Texas Heat. Some people think the Swamp Thang is a ratty sound, but I love it at lower recording volumes and really cranked too!

[el34power]

I use two Earcandy 1x12 cabs with a Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang. I really enjoy how they record and provide no lack of bass and definition. Anything you hear on my site with darker distorted guitars is the Swamp Thang and cleaner stuff is the Texas Heat. Some people think the Swamp Thang is a ratty sound, but I love it at lower recording volumes and really cranked too!

Very very nice tunes. You got me really confused about speakers now...in a good way:confused:

[Roccaforte Amps]

Hey Doug while you are here... I am looking for a 50w speaker for my combo that would be sort of "scoopyish" or at least flat. I am now using a Private jack and it sounds great for what it is but i need something for heavier gain tunes... I am liking the specs of the red rider, i am affraid the Gov may have too much mids a la Private Jack!?! Your thoughts?
BTW the combo is a Peavey Prowler 2xEL34.







Red Ryder. Doug

[SuperReverb2]

I just wanted to be the 2000th post in this thread...!!!

Actually, I can comment on the Eminence Patriot Red, White and Blues speakers that are in my Fuchs combo. I like them a lot. They are smooth, full range and take amp overdrive very nicely. I think I'd say that they are similar to EVM-12L, but maybe a bit more "musical"... less hi-fi sterile. But very balanced and a good choice for someone that wants a speaker that will let the amp do most of the tone shaping.

Ted

Interesting. I have been using the Tonespotters in my Fuchs (mod) 2 x 12 for that past three weeks, and after initially REALLY liking them, they have started to sound a little weak in the mids (almost scopped) as of late. I installed (2) Red, White, and Blues yesterday, and I must say they are MUCH more balanced and quite a bit smoother than the Tonespotters were. I'm also "hearing" more mids, which is what I wanted. So far, these are VERY nice sounding speakers.

Chuck

[LesPaulMan]

I've just read about half of this entire thread, and am confused as hell! (The length of this thread must be a new Internet record) ;)

Please give me any thoughts on what Eminence speakers might work with the following setup.

I have a 4-12 straight cab in which I'm replacing the front baffle. It appears someone did a Pete Townsend with the front of this thing. (Otherwise, the cab is in decent condition and was VERY cheap).

I would like to make this into a 2-12 cab, basically to save weight, the cost of 4 speakers, and to cut down on the beamy nature of straight cabs running 4 speakers in a live situation, especially in a small room. A Marshall DSL 50 head will power this thing (tends to be a bright sounding amp).
Music will be everything from 70's rock (Zeppelin rules), to more modern John Sykes/Gary Moore/1980's wanking. A good clean sound would be nice, but high gain tone is where I'll be 90% of the night.

What pair of Eminence speakers should I put in this thing?

Oh, and I don't want to mix speaker types. I always throw a mic on one speaker when playing out. I don't want to eq my rig listening to both speakers while the mic (and my audience) are only listening to one.
Wiring will be two 8 ohm speakers in series = 16 ohms. (Need 16 ohms as a Hotplate might be used on occasion. I can see Doug frowning in disgust).

Thanks to all, and maybe this post can help others.

[rockon1]

Damn! another option:rolleyes: I need a speaker that will make the combo sound less like a combo, so i don't need to lug the JCM around all the time.

Thanks for the input


A TONKER! That damned speaker makes my 1x12 combo as loud as a 4x12! Its efficiency combined with less cone break up seems to make it about the loudest single 12 Ive heard. At first it seemed a bit too stiff with very little conebreak up but is loosening up and smoothing out nicely.A lot of clean headroom for a single 12 too.

[JohnnyGtar]

Hey everyone,

Just got my 4 Man O War speakers courtesy of the good people at Eminence. Can't wait to slap 'em in!

Doug Roccaforte, I got these based on what you posted here. Thanks in advance! :JAM

Johnny