MXR Carbon Copy Delay Arrived!

[themusicboxstudios]

So I got my 2 MXR Carbon Copy delays from Musictoyz today. They sound wonderful. For those of you who want a simple analog delay in a small package, this would my pick. Even over the Malekko 600 (though i've only tried the dark). The unit is among the quietest of analog delays i've heard. Holds up to dirt extremely well.

That said, I do have some complaints/concerns. The modulation is EXTREMELY subtle ... almost to the point where I thought mine was broken. Also the modulation does not get deeper when you increase the delay time like most modulated delays work. Anything past 300 ms and I can't hear the modulation at all. BUT! it is very musical sounding and subtle, but I was dissapointed.

If the modulation was better on this, it would replace my DMM no question, which is saying A LOT ... because I think my vintage DMM is the best sounding analog delay on the planet.

The 2 units do sound a bit different ... and the modulation is actually LESS deep on one of the 2. :eek:

But overall ... the pedal sounds absolutely wonderful.

Disaster Transport arrives tomorrow!

[JJexp]

thanks for that! Been waiting to hear about it. I'm still waiting for mine....

[larry rolando]

You know there are rate and depth trim pots inside you can adjust?

[Ben C.]

Sell me your 'spare' unit ;)

[themusicboxstudios]

You know there are rate and depth trim pots inside you can adjust?

sure do!

[mfgobbi]

Is the "true hardwire bypass" really true bypass or just the same as the other MXR tone suckers?

[whoismarykelly]

Are the enclosures green sparkle like the one at namm or a plainer green color?

[themusicboxstudios]

Is the "true hardwire bypass" really true bypass or just the same as the other MXR tone suckers?

not sure ... really don't care if I don't notice right away ... and i'm pretty familiar with my tone.

[mfgobbi]

Since it has modulation, try turning up the amp really loud (don´t play though), some non true-bypass effects will let some trace of the LFO (modulation oscilation) leak while in bypass. The other way to know is to simply look at the switch wiring... well, I am curious about it...

not sure ... really don't care if I don't notice right away ... and i'm pretty familiar with my tone.

[drod2045]

clips!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[SunnyRollins]

:BEERcongrats!

[themusicboxstudios]

Are the enclosures green sparkle like the one at namm or a plainer green color?

sparkle green w/ glow in the dark pointers on the knobs :jo.

[whoismarykelly]

oooooooooh. Photos plz!

[themusicboxstudios]

i will on friday when school slows down.

this week is gnarly.

btw ... i think i'm returning these to musictoyz (at least one). i guess i'll wait until someone starts modding these for more intense modulation. :Spank

of course ... i'll sell them to people here, but you've gotta cover shipping/paypal fees, so that's up to you.

i'm gonna keep them through the weekend though, so i get more time with them.

[Droptop]

Deal...I'll buy one from you if you decide to unload them when the weekend is over. Let me know.

[olejason]

Thanks for the review. I'll probably snag one second hand. I do wish it had a nice noticeable chorus'd delay sound though.

[SunnyRollins]

Well, it sounds like this one's a winner...that mod complaint doesn't bother me at all, and the fact that if it weren't for that, Curehardy would have replaced his DMM says a lot!
I mean, the CC is half the price and half the size of the DMM!!!
Besides, MXR has a mystique that I like (besides being Dunlop)
sounds like a good deal to me...:rolleyes:

[zenfreud]

You're keeping us in suspense: did you try maxing out the trimmer that controls the modulation depth?

If the Carbon's mod effect is barely discernable, they dropped the ball, at least on v1.

Is the noise an issue over 300 ms?

[zenfreud]

You're keeping us in suspense: did you try maxing out the trimmer that controls the modulation depth? If the Carbon's mod effect is barely discernable, they dropped the ball, at least on v1.

Is the noise much of an issue over 300 ms?

[themusicboxstudios]

yes, i've maxed the delay trimmers.

i've played some more with the pedals. still sounds great. modulation does sound good, but very subtle like i said before. the repeats remind me of the Diamond Memory Lane because the repeats go "lo-fi" quicker than the DMM. it is also darker than the DMM, but still a brighter analog delay IMO.

regarding all the people who were worried about the bypass. i set the thing into some wild oscillation, then turned the pedal off. ZERO BLEED! turned it back on, and the oscillation was still screaming.

it's an analog delay ... it has some noise attached to the repeats ... but no more than the Diamond Memory Lane, which many people find to be pretty quiet.

enjoy.

[jb1911]

I've got a Disaster Transport which has an over the top modulation, so if I have them both on my board, I've got the gamut covered as far as mod goes.

[Lolaviola]

An analog delay with longer delay time is all I have ever wanted...
How do these new delays actually sound at longer times? Does it get real messy?

[Todd Lynch]

Excited; can't wait to get mine (on the way).

[Teletone65]

Do you have an Analogman Delay? How does it compare to it?
Thanks.

[bluntage]

yes, i've maxed the delay trimmers.

i've played some more with the pedals. still sounds great. modulation does sound good, but very subtle like i said before. the repeats remind me of the Diamond Memory Lane because the repeats go "lo-fi" quicker than the DMM. it is also darker than the DMM, but still a brighter analog delay IMO.

regarding all the people who were worried about the bypass. i set the thing into some wild oscillation, then turned the pedal off. ZERO BLEED! turned it back on, and the oscillation was still screaming.

it's an analog delay ... it has some noise attached to the repeats ... but no more than the Diamond Memory Lane, which many people find to be pretty quiet.

enjoy.

Thanks for all the info, Jon. Do you plan on making a vid demo of the MXR? Your previous vids were excellent and much appreciated.

:BEER

[KCWM]

hey cure, can you record a quick clip or two? I have no idea what modulated delay is and I'm curious to hear it.

[Alter]

i was thinking of buying mad professors deep blue delay, then i figured i 'd wait to check on the mxr, so any comments on comparing these two would be really aprecciated..

[thezeng]

is the oscillation like the dmm oscillation?

[porsch8]

Want to know more about this pedal for sure.
The fact that its dunlop mxr kinda scares me thouhg...not gonna lie

[Rid]

Pictures of the guts...I love to see how much they have crammed into that thing:D
Hopefully I will get one someday!

[jb1911]

The fact that its dunlop mxr kinda scares me thouhg...not gonna lie

Why do I keep hearing this? Did I miss something? The Carbon Copy kicks ass. I really love it. The fact that it's tiny, runs on 9v, has the mod, cool paint job and the sound knocked my AD999 off the board. The only thing I don't think will go over big is the modulation is very minimal, to the point where you can hardly tell it's working. I don't use modulation much and I have a Disaster Transport to cover that anyway. In short ... :AOK

[Blues Wail]

Why do I keep hearing this? Did I miss something? The Carbon Copy kicks ass. I really love it. The fact that it's tiny, runs on 9v, has the mod, cool paint job and the sound knocked my AD999 off the board. The only thing I don't think will go over big is the modulation is very minimal, to the point where you can hardly tell it's working. I don't use modulation much and I have a Disaster Transport to cover that anyway. In short ... :AOK
Could you pick one over the other or are they that different?

[porsch8]

Well, i have an AD999, and this is exactly what I am thinking of replacing it with

[jb1911]

Could you pick one over the other or are they that different?


I haven't had them long enough to choose, but the DT sounds like a digital delay and the MXR sounds analog. I mean you can tell the difference. They both sound great and I plan on keeping them both. The main difference is the DT does the crazy modulation and the MXR doesn't and the MXR is much smaller, obviously. I can recommend both with no reservations.

[jb1911]

Well, i have an AD999, and this is exactly what I am thinking of replacing it with



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[DonneR]

Pictures of the guts...I love to see how much they have crammed into that thing:D
Hopefully I will get one someday!

it is SMD (little parts) and it doenst say made in the USA :nono

but I do like the sound of it..... its EQd and disinigrates differently than others

[Blues Wail]

I haven't had them long enough to choose, but the DT sounds like a digital delay and the MXR sounds analog. I mean you can tell the difference. They both sound great and I plan on keeping them both. The main difference is the DT does the crazy modulation and the MXR doesn't and the MXR is much smaller, obviously. I can recommend both with no reservations.
Perfect. I am into subtle with modulation and prefer an Analog sound as well. Thank you.:BEER

[Blues Wail]

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Awesome board! Love The Super Trem!

[jb1911]

Awesome board! Love The Super Trem!

Thanks Aldo, I'm lovin' it.

[bjjp2]

Would love to hear comparison to Mad Professor DBD and Analogman Delay.

[Rid]

t is SMD (little parts) and it doenst say made in the USA
Heh yeah that I figured....but are the BBDs not fullsize??
For 600ms there has to be a few of them...or did they go for the really grungy tone in those??
Love to try one...like analouge delays:D

[porsch8]

Would love to hear comparison to Mad Professor DBD and Analogman Delay.

Second that!

[DonneR]

well the basic difference is the sound/EQ of the repeats...

the CC sounds like an analog (warming trails) with light modulation

the DBD sounds like tape - more bandwidth and treble retained


just depends on what you prefer...:AOK

[porsch8]

well the basic difference is the sound/EQ of the repeats...

the CC sounds like an analog (warming trails) with light modulation

the DBD sounds like tape - more bandwidth and treble retained


just depends on what you prefer...:AOK

What about for us greedy people who want both in one package, and not the size of a DMM

[The Everlove]

yeah... why can't they slap a tone trim/pot for the repeats??

[themusicboxstudios]

What about for us greedy people who want both in one package, and not the size of a DMM

quicksilver delay.

[drod2045]

video by ^^ of the Quicksilver

i couldnt find any other clips on this pedal. sounds great

[themusicboxstudios]

yeah ... its too bad the audio is terrible on that video ... i love the quicksilver ... the longer delay times sounds so sweet.

[drod2045]

watching that video..it sounds just as good as the DMM

[themusicboxstudios]

close. closest i've found for sure.

that said, it's not worth the $$ new ... but they can be found used for around 275 which is well worth it. i'm probably gonna buy another sometime soon to pair up with my DMM, or to use on a mini board.

[SouthernShred]

any comparison to the Analogman delay?

[themusicboxstudios]

i think i prefer the AM. the modulation on the carbon copy is pointless because it is so subtle. i've only owned the 600ms version of the AM and it was great, but I hated the way it looked and I preferred my Maxon AD900 at the time.

the DMM beat the AD900 though ... :D

[kidd36]

anyone have a Quicksilver they wanna unload?

[eru]

I guess I'm going to try one of those MXR pedals at some point... I have on my to do list to get an analog delay and considering how little I actually see using it, it's the only one in my price range that's analog besides the AD-9.

Also, the problem with MXR's bypass is that it connects/disconnects only the output of the pedal in the bypass, so there's always some signal bleeding to ground through the pedal, though no more than if it were on, and without the signal being buffered.

If you have a buffer or a buffered bypass pedal in the chain before it, this loss will be minimal, and if the input impedance of the pedal is large enough, it shouldn't be an audible difference even without a buffer.

I was worried about this with my MXR compressor, but I don't like insanely bright tones anyway and it doesn't seem to be a problem...I might not even end up building a TB box for it unless I just get bored.

[Bloomfield fan]

My Carbon Copy is in transit. I have had a DMM for sometime and an Analogman since August. I will obviously be trying them all together next week.

[DonneR]

any comparison to the Analogman delay?

yeah I just got mine back from loan ....

the analogman is more analogy :D well what I mean is the repeats are voiced to decay into dark murkiness like an analog does

the CC delays are brighter and stay that way as you have to have some treble working to hear chorusing....- I d put t he CC somewhere between ana and dig ~ digilog

[tonefreak]

My Carbon Copy just arrived today. So far the Analogman analog delay has been a favorite of mine, but I really liked the tone of the CC at NAMM. Well see how it works with my setup!

[Ren5150]

Just ordered mine now, didnt know they were available. Been salivating for this one since NAMM. Thanks for the info!

[Todd Lynch]

If the CC isn't as warm and fuzzy like I hope it is, I'll be flipping it for a 600ms AnalogMike/Daphon number. The only reason I haven't bought the AM/Daphon yet is because I just couldn't see spending $200 on a 'Daphon' pedal; but... it does sound nice (and the paint is hip too). The Malekko looks and sounds great as well (maybe a DaphonMan Delay or maybe the Malekko).

Still anxiously awaiting my Carbon Copy (and excited about it).

[tonefreak]

The AM/Daphon has been modded to Mike's spec which includes a really nice buffer.

I really like the Carbon Copy. I'll have more on it tomorrow, but so far it has met my expectations and it sits perfectly next to the Analogman piece.

[sssmile]

The best 300ms I have heard is the aqua puss. Mikes DAPHON does not get close imo. Anyone compare the CC to the AP?

[popinvasion]

I have to say listening to your video again the carbon copy is a good freaking delay pedal. Its cleaner and not as ambient as a memory man. It slaughters the disaster transport. To me, as a backup, or as your main delay the carbon would be a good choice. Just get a nice memory man to have at home for all the fun. But for practicality on a boards sake the carbon copy does sound damn good. the modulation is rather subtle but its tasteful. Not dated sounded. I think the carbon is a good sound.

[jb1911]

I have to say listening to your video again the carbon copy is a good freaking delay pedal. Its cleaner and not as ambient as a memory man. It slaughters the disaster transport. To me, as a backup, or as your main delay the carbon would be a good choice. Just get a nice memory man to have at home for all the fun. But for practicality on a boards sake the carbon copy does sound damn good. the modulation is rather subtle but its tasteful. Not dated sounded. I think the carbon is a good sound.


I have them both and I wouldn't say the CC slaughters the DT, they both sound great to my ears. I've had them for a couple of weeks and so far I don't have a favorite. They sound different from each other, but they both sound great.

[Andre357]

Have any owners of this pedal fooled with the two internal trimmers inside to adjust width and speed on the modulation ??

It mentions these are user tweakable trim pots on the dunlop webpage.....

I wonder if adjusting these will make the modulation more pronounced ??

Could someone report there findings ?? Thanks !

[Garygtr]

Have any owners of this pedal fooled with the two internal trimmers inside to adjust width and speed on the modulation ??

It mentions these are user tweakable trim pots on the dunlop webpage.....

I wonder if adjusting these will make the modulation more pronounced ??

Could someone report there findings ?? Thanks !

From post # 20:

yes, i've maxed the delay trimmers.

i've played some more with the pedals. still sounds great. modulation does sound good, but very subtle like i said before. the repeats remind me of the Diamond Memory Lane because the repeats go "lo-fi" quicker than the DMM. it is also darker than the DMM, but still a brighter analog delay IMO.

[Andre357]

Thanks Garygtr !

[mikelaw]

i dont like the bypass on the cc. the decibels raised even when the pedal is being bypassed compared to cable straight into amp. keeley ad9 doesnt do that because it is true bypass. also i dont like the modulation. it is SO subtle you cant even tell if its on or off without looking at the light.

600ms is better then the ad9 at 300 i think but i never use alot anyway.

the good thing is the tone on the cc is GREAT! fat and nice tones across the spectrum.
i cancelled my order for the cc because bypass is really important to me. i dont like pedals coloring the tone/level when the pedal is off.

[jb1911]

i dont like the bypass on the cc. the decibels raised even when the pedal is being bypassed compared to cable straight into amp.


Man, you must have the ears of a bat. I can't hear any of that and I'm kinda glad I don't.

[Andre357]

i dont like the bypass on the cc. the decibels raised even when the pedal is being bypassed compared to cable straight into amp. keeley ad9 doesnt do that because it is true bypass. also i dont like the modulation. it is SO subtle you cant even tell if its on or off without looking at the light.

600ms is better then the ad9 at 300 i think but i never use alot anyway.

the good thing is the tone on the cc is GREAT! fat and nice tones across the spectrum.
i cancelled my order for the cc because bypass is really important to me. i dont like pedals coloring the tone/level when the pedal is off.

If you cancelled your order does that mean you have not tried one personally yet ?? If you have not used one how do you know about this volume increase ????

[Alter]

because bypass is really important to me. i dont like pedals coloring the tone/level when the pedal is off.

so do i. but isn't the CC supposed to be true "true bypass"? (:D)

anyone opened one up maybe to post some pictures of the interior construction?

[jb1911]

so do i. but isn't the CC supposed to be true "true bypass"? (:D)

anyone opened one up maybe to post some pictures of the interior construction?


The website says it's "true hardwired bypass". I don't hear any difference in my tone with the CC bypassed.

[sega]

Is the "true hardwire bypass" really true bypass or just the same as the other MXR tone suckers?

So you are into Gentle Giant?
Those guys are insane, refelction video?

Check this Adrian and his Memory man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbOdgevxDE&feature=related

and this acoustic guitarist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGiFV6Ac2vc

By the way, if the Carbon copy is that great, i'll buy 2 of em!!

[mikelaw]

of course i tried it! i did open it up but i didnt mess with the trim pots at all. it was very simple to hear the tone change and especially hear the level change.

ps-this pedal is not true bypass. the tone is great though! if i used it ON all of the time i would probably use this pedal.

[eru]

None of the MXR pedals are true bypass. Their "hardwire" bypass is a half-assed attempt at it.

They switch only the ouput, while the input is always wired to both the output pole of the switch and the input to the effect circuit, so if it's input impedance isn't high enough, you'll get a messed up frequency response and possibly some decrease in volume compared to putting it in a TB loop.

[jamison162]

None of the MXR pedals are true bypass. Their "hardwire" bypass is a half-assed attempt at it.


Wouldn't it be easy enough to rewire a 3PDT switch in there to be TB? This isn't a Boss pedal were talking here.

[eru]

Wouldn't it be easy enough to rewire a 3PDT switch in there to be TB? This isn't a Boss pedal were talking here.

They use DPDT switches, so you have to sacrifice the LED, use a millennium bypass, or rehouse it to make enough room for wiring b/t the switch and the board.

The one that I've tried has a high enough input impedance so that I don't hear a difference, but it's possible that my setup just doesn't accentuate it.

[Catoogie]

i dont like pedals coloring the tone/level when the pedal is off.

That is unless it colors it in a good way and feel that way in a lot of cases. Sometimes the bypassed pedal actually adds to the overall tone.

[guitarb]

Love my CC.....and the subtle modulation is all I want anyway. Is it true bypass...no....but I throw all my pedals thru my programmable looper anyway.

[mikelaw]

i agree and i actually use coil cords most of the time to cut some highs off the signal BUT this mxr cc RAISED decibels even when bypassed. very bizarre!

[eru]

that is weird that it raised levels. is this comparing to no pedal or to another pedal...because the other pedal may have worse issues.

And, the M-132 super comp I have doesn't seem to color the tone enough to hear. Perhaps if I had a better amp I'd hear it, but I don't, and it's before the buffered bypass of my tube screamer, which I actually like in this setup.

I think having one or two of those pedals if the input impedance is high enough wouldn't really cause a problem if your cables aren't also sucking treble.

[tinkercity]

Love my CC.....and the subtle modulation is all I want anyway. Is it true bypass...no....but I throw all my pedals thru my programmable looper anyway.

I thought it was True Bypass?

[jb1911]

I thought it was True Bypass?


I looked inside and it only has 6 lugs on the switch.

[guitarb]

Hmmm...if it is...then I've got something funky going on with mine. When I first got it I set it up by itself...and when I turned it off my tone was not the same...nothing earth shattering but it was effected.

[Rock72]

The Edge used the DMM for his early delays...does the CC do decent "early U2 analog delay tones"?? Don't shoot me for always linking delay to U2 :o

[Mapleneck]

I was excited about the Carbon Copy until I found out it wasn't true bypass. That really makes the Analogman 600ms delay look better to me. I would much rather have a quality buffer over that half bypass any day. Even if you can't hear the tone loss around just that one pedal, they frequently don't play well with other pedals in your chain. Bummer.

[paulydangerous]

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• 20 to 600 milliseconds of delay time
• True Bypass… yes… when the unit is off, the signal goes from one jack to the switch to the other jack… nothing hanging or inline… IT’S TRUE BYPASS!
• Modulated delay repeats with internal speed and depth control.
• Runs on a 9 volt battery
• AC power protection… If you plug your Whammy or DL4 power supply into the CCD it won’t blow up… it will actually run just fine. However, we recommend a DC power supply to reduce the potential for noise.
• All in the small Phase 90 size box!

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[Mapleneck]

Ok, can we clear this up? Is the CC true bypass (bypassed on both the input AND the output) or not??

[eru]

Ok, can we clear this up? Is the CC true bypass (bypassed on both the input AND the output) or not??

No MXR pedals are.

Someone opened it up and only saw 6 lugs on the switch, so unless they're using the millennium bypass, it's not. And I seriously doubt that, but until someone posts a circuit diagram or a very high quality picture, we won't know for sure.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's not, though.

[tonefreak]

No MXR pedals are.

Someone opened it up and only saw 6 lugs on the switch, so unless they're using the millennium bypass, it's not. And I seriously doubt that, but until someone posts a circuit diagram or a very high quality picture, we won't know for sure.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's not, though.

So you're saying that Tripps is wrong?

[tonefreak]

Even if you can't hear the tone loss around just that one pedal, they frequently don't play well with other pedals in your chain. Bummer.

And you know this because you tried the Carbon Copy... right?

I've thrown tons of delay pedals off my board.... some really nice ones that people swear by here. I don't use them because I've actually heard how they reacted in my rig and didn't like the way it sounded... again, in my rig. Don't judge a pedal by what's on paper... judge a pedal by what it actually does or doesn't deliver with your rig.

You can get the MXR Carbon Copy anywhere and most of the large resellers have a great return policy. This pedal begs to at least be heard.

[Mapleneck]

And you know this because you tried the Carbon Copy... right?

I've thrown tons of delay pedals off my board.... some really nice ones that people swear by here. I don't use them because I've actually heard how they reacted in my rig and didn't like the way it sounded... again, in my rig. Don't judge a pedal by what's on paper... judge a pedal by what it actually does or doesn't deliver with your rig.

You can get the MXR Carbon Copy anywhere and most of the large resellers have a great return policy. This pedal begs to at least be heard.

No I haven't tried it. And I agree with you that it should be heard before judgement. But I have had so many pedals, even highly praised pedals as you said, interact badly with others when they weren't true-bypass or a very high quality buffer, that I am now admittedly a bypass bigot. I won't even try them now if I think there is a chance they will cause problems. I am just too busy these days to mess with something I think there is a possibility of returning right out of the gate.

I trust analogman, so I have high faith in his buffer on his delay. If it turns out that the MXR is not true bypass, I won't even try it. Time is money. On the other hand, if someone proves that it is really true bypass, then it is in the running again. The price is certainly right.

[tonefreak]

Time is money.

So you'll spend time here on TGP, but not invenst in time to try out a pedal?

BTW... I have the Analogman AR20DL as well and it's a fine pedal.

http://tonefreak.com/IMAGES/ToneFreakShop2.jpg

[Mapleneck]

So you'll spend time here on TGP, but not invenst in time to try out a pedal?

BTW... I have the Analogman AR20DL as well and it's a fine pedal.

http://tonefreak.com/IMAGES/ToneFreakShop2.jpg

Actually yes, in a way. I work with computers all day, and when I want to take a break I am just a click away. I never have time at home to check out TGP. I have 3 small kids that keep me hopping. The only "real" time I get with my equipment lately is playing out, and that isn't always a great, and certainly not a convenient, time to experiment. So I am not much of a tweaker anymore. That wasn't always the case, but it is these days.

Is your AR20 the 600ms version? I have been eyeing that pedal for some time now. I have a Maxon AD80 right now that is great, but only 300ms. It is so good I hate to sell it. It has the best buffer in it. Great to have it at the end of several true bypass pedals. But if I can double the delay time available and still have either TB or a similarly great buffer (like analogmans), then it is a good move for me. But gear progress comes slow for me these days. It is a good thing I have pedals right now that I dearly love. If I never bought another pedal, I could play happily for many years to come. But where is the fun in that? :)

[tonefreak]

The Analogman AR20DL has an excellent buffer, IMO. It's the only buffer in my signalchain, so having it at the end really helps the quality of my signal going into the amp.

I've tried some other delays and stopped using them because the AR20DL really make a difference and I notice when it's not part of my chain. The footswitch isn't weak either, nice and rugged to operate.

Mine is the 300ms version... hence the reason for me getting the Carbon Copy. I've never tried any of the Maxon stuff, so I really don't have a base to compare yours the AR20DL.

BTW... I'm a computer geek during the day as well. Two kids and a growing pedal business... sleep depervation doesn't begin to describe my life! haha!

[krisharmony]

Anyone compare this to the Boss RE-20 Space Echo?

[jb1911]

No I haven't tried it. And I agree with you that it should be heard before judgement. But I have had so many pedals, even highly praised pedals as you said, interact badly with others when they weren't true-bypass or a very high quality buffer, that I am now admittedly a bypass bigot. I won't even try them now if I think there is a chance they will cause problems. I am just too busy these days to mess with something I think there is a possibility of returning right out of the gate.

I trust analogman, so I have high faith in his buffer on his delay. If it turns out that the MXR is not true bypass, I won't even try it. Time is money. On the other hand, if someone proves that it is really true bypass, then it is in the running again. The price is certainly right.

I love my CC and have no problems with it, but why should I care if you try one or not? It's your loss if you don't.:D

[Mapleneck]

I love my CC and have no problems with it, but why should I care if you try one or not? It's your loss if you don't.:D

There is no reason you should care, heck even I don't care. :)

The discussion at hand wasn't whether I would try it or not, but rather if the CC was true bypass or not, which no one seems positive about. It was a minor subplot that I wouldn't be interested in the CC if it wasn't TB.

[Bloomfield fan]

I have had mine for a few days. At the moment I own an Analogman 300ms and a Deluxe Memory Man. So far I am really enjoying the CC. I did purchase it for its longer delay sounds. While the modulation is subtle, I actually like how it is voiced. It adds a shimmer or ambiance instead of being overbearing and taking over the sound. I have not played with the trimmer yet. It is very easy to dial in sounds. Its size and 9 volt power make it excellent for pedal boards. The LED is very bright, think Keeley. I currently have the CC in an effects loop switcher and my Analogman last in my chain as I thought the delay sounded better there. While my TU2 is not in my chain, I like the sound of the Analogman buffer. The delay sound is neither too dark or bright. It also works well with overdrive and distortion. The price is right and they will easy to find and try out in person. Dunlop/MXR appears to be putting out some very good products lately (74 Phase 90, Way Huge, new Hendrix).

[eru]

So you're saying that Tripps is wrong?

I'm saying that he fell victim to a marketing trick that MXR uses. "True Bypass" isn't defined in a dictionary, and "hardwire bypass" isn't even defined clearly based solely on conjecture.

My M-132 is reported to be "true hardwire bypass" and I have confirmed that it is not, in fact, true bypass. The circuit is still connected to the input signal when in bypass mode; only the output is switched. This is bad for the signal, but apparently the input impedance is sufficiently hight that I'm not losing a lot with it on the board. It's going to go in a true bypass loop soon anyway, so I don't worry about it.

But if his claim is based on seeing "true bypass" or "true hardwire bypass" on a website instead of taking the pedal apart and finding out, then yes I'd bet he's wrong.

[Andy J.]

But if his claim is based on seeing "true bypass" or "true hardwire bypass" on a website instead of taking the pedal apart and finding out, then yes I'd bet he's wrong.

Umm... Mr. Tripps, the guy behind Way Huge, is the designer of the Carbon Copy. Still, AFAIK, if the switch is of the six-lug-type AND it's got a LED, they must be using the Millennium bypass for it to be TBP, right?

[eru]

Umm... Mr. Tripps, the guy behind Way Huge, is the designer of the Carbon Copy. Still, AFAIK, if the switch is of the six-lug-type AND it's got a LED, they must be using the Millennium bypass for it to be TBP, right?

AFAIK.

[malabarmusic]

Spec sheet says the CC has input impedance of 1Mohm. Even without TB, a circuit with that impedance simply can't load down the signal and is not going to suck tone like something with a 100K-or-less input. To put it in perspective, the loading should be 1/4-1/2 of what we all get with the non-true-bypass volume pots on our guitars.

That being said, given the feature set/price combo, if one liked the tone it would still be a good deal after factoring in a TB mod or inexpensive looper pedal. IMHO, YMMV, HAND.

- DB

[jb1911]

All this arguing is a waste of time, it sounds great and that's all I care about.

[MrHuge]

No MXR pedals are.
Someone opened it up and only saw 6 lugs on the switch, so unless they're using the millennium bypass, it's not. And I seriously doubt that, but until someone posts a circuit diagram or a very high quality picture, we won't know for sure.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's not, though.


Um... you'd be wrong about the CCD... Mmmmm... So, when do I get my doughnut?
-Mr. Huge

[tinkercity]

Um... you'd be wrong about the CCD... Mmmmm... So, when do I get my doughnut?
-Mr. Huge

Ha! :dude

[Todd Lynch]

The bypass worries me little... since I won't be turning it off.

[Ed Reed]

MrHuge, a question it's not out of line. I've heard a few guys comment on the modulation, that they would like to have a little more, is there a tweek that could do that?

[jb1911]

MrHuge, a question it's not out of line. I've heard a few guys comment on the modulation, that they would like to have a little more, is there a tweek that could do that?


Didn't read this whole thread?

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpost.php?p=3773858&postcount=86

[RadackGuitars]

Wondering if this pedal would be a good candidate for adding expression pedals ala' the Keeley mods on the AD9.
???

[Blues Wail]

Didn't read this whole thread?

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpost.php?p=3773858&postcount=86
Man! Some peeps huh? :D I just bought one and will say it does NOT suck tone in my rig. The modulation trimmers are full up and responds better in conjunction with longer and more repeats. Great tone and pedal in a small package.

[BryanMatthews]

Ive put my name down for one, tell you the truth, I wish it DIDNT come with a modulation switch as I hate the sound of chorus pedals. A carbon copy who`s only design brief was 600ms of analog delay and nothing else would be perfection for me.

Bryan:AOK

[Blues Wail]

Ive put my name down for one, tell you the truth, I wish it DIDNT come with a modulation switch as I hate the sound of chorus pedals. A carbon copy who`s only design brief was 600ms of analog delay and nothing else would be perfection for me.

Bryan:AOK Use it as such. Leave the mod switch off & presto!:D

[jb1911]

Use it as such. Leave the mod switch off & presto!:D


My friend Aldo is indeed a wise man! I'd say it's worth the $150 even if it didn't have the mod option.

[Blues Wail]

My friend Aldo is indeed a wise man! I'd say it's worth the $150 even if it didn't have the mod option.
Thanks! Wassup with the mix knob though? The sample settings for slap back are reg 12, mix 10 & delay 0. It clicks and does the spaceship thing, I had to change the delay time to 9 ish or so. I thought the mix knob was just a wet/dry thing. I don't get it?

[eru]

Spec sheet says the CC has input impedance of 1Mohm. Even without TB, a circuit with that impedance simply can't load down the signal and is not going to suck tone like something with a 100K-or-less input. To put it in perspective, the loading should be 1/4-1/2 of what we all get with the non-true-bypass volume pots on our guitars.

That being said, given the feature set/price combo, if one liked the tone it would still be a good deal after factoring in a TB mod or inexpensive looper pedal. IMHO, YMMV, HAND.

- DB

I agree. I'll be picking one up fairly shortly, probably after I buy a new cab, though.

All this arguing is a waste of time, it sounds great and that's all I care about.

Then don't read it.

Um... you'd be wrong about the CCD... Mmmmm... So, when do I get my doughnut?
-Mr. Huge

Awesome. So, if there are 6 lugs on the switch as someone reported and an LED, how is it wired simply for my own edification.

And PM me an address and I'll mail you a doughnut...though I make no guarantees it arrives unscathed.

[jb1911]

Thanks! Wassup with the mix knob though? The sample settings for slap back are reg 12, mix 10 & delay 0. It clicks and does the spaceship thing, I had to change the delay time to 9 ish or so. I thought the mix knob was just a wet/dry thing. I don't get it?

I had the exact same experience, I thought something was wrong with mine.

[Bloomfield fan]

I had the exact same experience, I thought something was wrong with mine.

That was the first setting I tried and almost packed it right back up.

[High Voltage]

Has anyone compared this pedal to either of the Analogman delay pedals? I havent read the whole thread so maybe this has already been asked.

[BryanMatthews]

are the chips genuine bucket brigade panasonic type or are they modern day copies ?

Bryan

[Rid]

are the chips genuine bucket brigade panasonic type or are they modern day copies ?None left!
Visual bought the rights and all that, to replicate them from the same template...so essentially it is still out there!

[Ed Reed]

Didn't read this whole thread?

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpost.php?p=3773858&postcount=86


No, are you kidding? Thanks for answer though very much!

[mkg]

Just ordered one off ebay from onlineguitar's store, he's running a special with free shipping.
Shouldn't take long for it to arrive, he's just a couple of hours down the road.
I plan to run it through the effects loop of my Goodsell Super 17.
I was deciding between the carbon copy and cmatmod's deeelay.
The mod option on the carbon copy and the positive reviews I've read here and elsewhere helped me decide.
Will post back with a review after I've had a chance to use it at rehearsal and gigs.

[Blues Wail]

I had the exact same experience, I thought something was wrong with mine. A couple of us it seems have had the same exp. So they are not broke but........strange!

[jb1911]

A couple of us it seems have had the same exp. So they are not broke but........strange!


It's self oscilation. If you let it go, it'll tear up your speaker.

[Blues Wail]

It's self oscilation. If you let it go, it'll tear up your speaker.
yup. It should not involve the mix knob though. Repeat & delays yes but......Did they get the setting wrong?

[mkg]

It's self oscilation. If you let it go, it'll tear up your speaker.

jb or Blues Wail, would you post the correct settings for slapback?
Thanks.

[sssmile]

ok so let me understand this

600ms?
true bypass?
modulation?
small footprint?
analog?
mods to make the modulation better?
cool blue led?
nice sparkle green paint?

sounds like the perfect delay no??

[tinkercity]

ok so let me understand this

600ms?
true bypass?
modulation?
small footprint?
analog?
mods to make the modulation better?
cool blue led?
nice sparkle green paint?

sounds like the perfect delay no??

I think so! :dude

[popinvasion]

has anyone try the mod that mr. huge suggests? It sounds easy enough.

[Blues Wail]

jb or Blues Wail, would you post the correct settings for slapback?
Thanks.
I have come up with 12 on the repeats, 10 on the mix and here is the key..9 on the delay time.

[jb1911]

ok so let me understand this

600ms?
true bypass?
modulation?
small footprint?
analog?
mods to make the modulation better?
cool blue led?
nice sparkle green paint?

sounds like the perfect delay no??

You forgot

costs only $150?
sounds awesome?



I have come up with 12 on the repeats, 10 on the mix and here is the key..9 on the delay time.


Great minds think alike.

[Blues Wail]

You forgot

costs only $150?
sounds awesome?






Great minds think alike.

True!!:D

[mikelaw]

I have come up with 12 on the repeats, 10 on the mix and here is the key..9 on the delay time.

right on the delay time but I like heavier mix (1-3) and shorter repeat (9)

to me, those old classic rockabilly records had HEAVY mix levels, sometimes near 100% wet on some cuts!

[Blues Wail]

right on the delay time but I like heavier mix (1-3) and shorter repeat (9)

to me, those old classic rockabilly records had HEAVY mix levels, sometimes near 100% wet on some cuts!
The repeat @ 12 will be affected by the delay time being pushed back. There are no additional repeats like that. I may try raising the mix though cause you are correct.:BluesBros

[mkg]

Okay, dumb question...
Product manual recommends 9v 200mA power adaptor.
I have a radio shack 9v 800mA adaptor, can I use it?

Second dumb question...
Do I set the adaptor plug for negative tip?

Can you tell I'm not used to using effects?
:o

Thanks for your help!

[larry rolando]

[quote=Sunsetamps;3788051]has anyone try the mod that mr. huge suggests? It sounds easy enough.

Sorry can you point towards the Jorge's mod?

[mkg]

MrHuge (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
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• 100% analog Bucket Brigade technology
• 20 to 600 milliseconds of delay time
• True Bypass… yes… when the unit is off, the signal goes from one jack to the switch to the other jack… nothing hanging or inline… IT’S TRUE BYPASS!
• Modulated delay repeats with internal speed and depth control.
• Runs on a 9 volt battery
• AC power protection… If you plug your Whammy or DL4 power supply into the CCD it won’t blow up… it will actually run just fine. However, we recommend a DC power supply to reduce the potential for noise.
• All in the small Phase 90 size box!

Here's a simple mod to increase the intensity of the modulation on the Carbon Copy… However, if you do this modification you’ll void your warranty…
Change R7 - from a 470K to a 100K

There ya go.

[awallace]

None left!
Visual bought the rights and all that, to replicate them from the same template...so essentially it is still out there!

Visual is producing the low voltage MN3207 BBD chips...cool, but the classic chips are the MN30xx series.

[Blues Wail]

:dudeMy new slap back settings ala Folsom Prison Blues are Left to right, 11-12-9. Perfect!! Santana like one repeat with reverb like space are 7ish-12-12+. I love that the Modulation can be used without the delay engaged. Very pretty subtle modulation. Great box!!

[mkg]

Writing these down, Blues Wail, thanks.
Did you see my question about power adaptor? Is a radio shack 9v 800mA okay?

[sssmile]

someone do the modulation mod!!!!!

[Lolaviola]

"...You'll void your warrantee!"
Yeah, someone DO IT! Heh, heh, heh.

[BryanMatthews]

why is the modulation aspect causing such a fuss ?

Ive placed my order for 600ms of sumptuos analog delay and couldnt care a jot about the modulation feature. Those who want modulation can get same with a chorus pedal , I cant see what the issue is.

Bryan

[Lolaviola]

...Cos modulation of the delay time is different than chorus on the output of the delay.

But seriously...
My last analog delay was a [Maxon] Ibanez AD-9 and it has a circuit that damps down any unwanted noise. I actually like that sound, as in I DON'T WANT ANY NOISE in my delay; and I want ALL knob settings to be useable. I just got rid of a [digital] delay because past 12 on the time dial it was WAY too noisy. It was even noisy at MINIMUM on the delay time.

SO, be honest, is the MXR noisy? Whare does the grittiness become unusable in your opinion? Is it clean-sounding at midpoint? Get real, and fess up!

[jb1911]

Okay, dumb question...
Product manual recommends 9v 200mA power adaptor.
I have a radio shack 9v 800mA adaptor, can I use it?

Second dumb question...
Do I set the adaptor plug for negative tip?

Can you tell I'm not used to using effects?
:o

Thanks for your help!

It's for sure negative tip, but before I used that 800mA adapter, I'd send a pm to Mr Huge and ask him.

[mkg]

It's for sure negative tip, but before I used that 800mA adapter, I'd send a pm to Mr Huge and ask him.

I played it safe and ordered a Dunlop ecb003 from MF...might as well do it right.
:)

[Blues Wail]

why is the modulation aspect causing such a fuss ?

Ive placed my order for 600ms of sumptuos analog delay and couldnt care a jot about the modulation feature. Those who want modulation can get same with a chorus pedal , I cant see what the issue is.

Bryan
I agree. It is an added plus but It IS a DELAY pedal. With the mix up ya get more modulation. It is sweet sounding.

[Blues Wail]

I played it safe and ordered a Dunlop ecb003 from MF...might as well do it right.
:)
Better!!

[porsch8]

For those of you who have played the CC, how is the self-oscillation?

[4styx]

I was watching the youtube Donner clip and really noticed a big change in tone when he engaged the delay.My FX90 does the same thing.

[Blues Wail]

For those of you who have played the CC, how is the self-oscillation? Twist away!!:RoCkIn

[porsch8]

Twist away!!:RoCkIn
Does that mean yes, that self-oscillation is good on this thing?
I have an AD-999, and it is pretty awesome

[jb1911]

Does that mean yes, that self-oscillation is good on this thing?
I have an AD-999, and it is pretty awesome


Yes it's almost too easy to get it into self flagellation.

[JMPMAN]

It's for sure negative tip, but before I used that 800mA adapter, I'd send a pm to Mr Huge and ask him.


I use the Visual Sound One Spot Power Supply and it works fine.

This is what's said on the MXR website regarding the power supply-

Positive Barrel and Negative Center

[deek]

did anyone find out what chips were used in the CC? any gut shots?

[zwieback-dude]

For those of you who have played the CC, how is the self-oscillation?
I posted this already in another Carbon Copy Thread, but if you haven't seen it yet, here's a nice demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJPde-C28iU
The self-oscillation sounds really good in my ears :D

[ruger9]

My CC is now sitting beside my AD-999... will report back.... but here's a quickie: they are both awesome. Would be hard to choose just one.

[ruger9]

INITIAL REPORT:

The Carbon Copy is very cool. I would consider it awesome if I didn't have an AD-999 or a Line 6 Echo Park. Here's the scoop, the way I see it:

The AD999 has darker & more distorted repeats. Even on the very 1st repeat. I prefer this for most if not all of my analog delay sounds. I feel the darker delays are more musical (rockabilly, country, even blues) and the CC is more digital-sounding than the AD999 in this regard. However, the CC is more "analog sounding" (of course) than my Line 6 set to "tape" OR "ANALOG". The Line 6 models really aren't very good. Good digital tho.

The Mod (chorus) on the CC is dreamy, and the cleaner repeats of the CC work better FOR THIS. Actually, I think I even prefer the Line 6 (set to digital) if I want to use modulation. I don't think modulation would sound very good on the more distorted repeats of the AD999.

For me, it's a toss-up; the CC is nicer than the Line 6 for most stuff I use a delay for (country, blues, rockabilly), but not "clean" enough to use (with mod) for Edge/U2 territory. I prefer the AD-999 for analog, I prefer the Echo Park for digital & modulation.

The CC is a very nice pedal tho- and if I could have only ONE then I'd probably split the difference and use the CC. (but I CAN have more than one...)

Still living with it, jury's still out!

[Blues Wail]

INITIAL REPORT:

The Carbon Copy is very cool. I would consider it awesome if I didn't have an AD-999 or a Line 6 Echo Park. Here's the scoop, the way I see it:

The AD999 has darker & more distorted repeats. Even on the very 1st repeat. I prefer this for most if not all of my analog delay sounds. I feel the darker delays are more musical (rockabilly, country, even blues) and the CC is more digital-sounding than the AD999 in this regard. However, the CC is more "analog sounding" (of course) than my Line 6 set to "tape" OR "ANALOG". The Line 6 models really aren't very good. Good digital tho.

The Mod (chorus) on the CC is dreamy, and the cleaner repeats of the CC work better FOR THIS. Actually, I think I even prefer the Line 6 (set to digital) if I want to use modulation. I don't think modulation would sound very good on the more distorted repeats of the AD999.

For me, it's a toss-up; the CC is nicer than the Line 6 for most stuff I use a delay for (country, blues, rockabilly), but not "clean" enough to use (with mod) for Edge/U2 territory. I prefer the AD-999 for analog, I prefer the Echo Park for digital & modulation.

The CC is a very nice pedal tho- and if I could have only ONE then I'd probably split the difference and use the CC. (but I CAN have more than one...)

Still living with it, jury's still out!

Night & day pedals. For me it's no contest, I cant get a decent sound out of the AD-99 to save my life!:BOUNCE

[eru]

This is one of very few pedals where after hearing demos I simply went, "I want it."

Perhaps I should listen to that more often than thinking about something a lot since that's lead me to sell a lot of pedals.

So, blackstone -> compressor -> CCD and i'm done for a while ??? maybe ??

[ruger9]

I have a problem with the regen control. Mine goes from ONE repeat to SEVERAL, like 6-7, no in-between. I've tried numerous time to 'coax" it into a sweet spot, but no go. Either one slap, or 7 repeats (or more as you turn up the regen, of course.)

Anybody else have this issue? My Maxon AD-999 repeats control is not this touchy/sudden...

[mkg]

I have a problem with the regen control. Mine goes from ONE repeat to SEVERAL, like 6-7, no in-between. I've tried numerous time to 'coax" it into a sweet spot, but no go. Either one slap, or 7 repeats (or more as you turn up the regen, of course.)

Anybody else have this issue? My Maxon AD-999 repeats control is not this touchy/sudden...

I haven't encountered this problem yet. I'll mess with my CC tonight to see what happens.
The manual says this about the regen feature: "Note: the number of repeats may vary with different Delay time settings."

[ruger9]

Mine didn't come with a manual... I'll go download it. Thanks, mkg.

[mkg]

Mine didn't come with a manual... I'll go download it. Thanks, mkg.

No prob, ruger9. Mine didn't come with one either, I just downloaded the two page manual at the Dunlop site a few days ago.
I'm still thinking about finding some pcb genius locally to do the R7 mod...that surface mount stuff is scary.

[Chuck Snider]

Just got mine today.. Nice textural addition with the mod button but sounds fantastic with just straight delay.. So far I'm pretty impressed with it overall ,600ms of big rich sounding delay, quiet operation ,cool looking and can run on a battery!!!... Not only am I impressed but very suprised.
I've only done some clean stuff with it for about an hour.. I'll give it a shot with loud overdriven sounds when I get a chance...
MXR comes back in a big way! Nice Job!
:BEER

[Rock72]

Rather than reading through all 165 posts in this thread, can someone tell me if it:

- works well with drive used in front of the amp (drive from pedals thorugh)
- sucks tone when bypassed

Sorry for being so lazy reading, but a little summary would be great :BEER.

[mkg]

Can't answer the first question, but as for the second, I notice no tone suckage when bypassed.

[musickbox]

After hearing some vids online, I wasn't impressed. Then I went to GC to buy some strings, and one of my buddies that works their tell me he got the Carbon Copy. Played it through a cheap Marshall SS and a cheap Squire, and it sounded amazing. I bought it on the spot. So far it's been really cool. The repeats are on the darkside, but nothing like the maxon/ibanez delays. It has it's own vibe. The oscillation alone is worth getting the pedal. It has a lot of "body" for a delay. I think for the price, there's not much to compete with it. Honeymoon stage, we'll talk in a week or so.

[thiscalltoarms]

got mine today- i totally dig its vibes- repeats are dark enough to remind you its analog, but bright enough that the trails don't make the sound muddy. beautiful decay. destroys the EHX reissue DMM I played yesterday. so far, its beautiful. Made me disgusted by the "analog" setting on the DD20 that I've been gigging. just me though...

question for those you have messed with the internal mod trim pots- the speed seems ok to me, but I could use a bit more depth to add to the shimmer factor. Its nice, but a little tiny bit more subtle than I was expecting (for the demos I heard). Can the width knob deepen the sound, or is it more a control to make it more vibe like (not what I'm looking for). I'd just like a bit more presence to the modulation...

thanks in advance, coup.

[eru]

I played one in a GC today.

I'm going to wait a bit to see if my fascination with it dies off, but my amp doesn't have reverb and I really liked it when playing clean....didn't like it so much with an overdriven blues junior (normal and tweed; buddy's about to buy one).

Short version: I'm buying one. I didn't today because I'm forcing myself to wait until I return/sell another impulsive pedal purchase that didn't work out.

[ruger9]

question for those you have messed with the internal mod trim pots- the speed seems ok to me, but I could use a bit more depth to add to the shimmer factor. Its nice, but a little tiny bit more subtle than I was expecting (for the demos I heard). Can the width knob deepen the sound, or is it more a control to make it more vibe like (not what I'm looking for). I'd just like a bit more presence to the modulation...

thanks in advance, coup.

I just maxed the depth trim, and it didn't deepend the modulation much. I left it at max, but the modulation from this pedal is subtle. IMHO, that's all the modulation you need in a delay, tho. If you want more add a chorus pedal to the board.

[mkg]

I agree, because the pedal modulates the repeats only, not the original signal.
I found an old Ibanez CSL chorus in the bandroom last night that I hooked up with the CC, but the Ibanez turned out to be dead in the water.
Guess that's why it had been discarded. :crazy
I really like using the CC for a kind of reverb effect with the mod button engaged and mix at about 9 or 10 o'clock, regen and delay time around 8 or 9 o'clock.

[dramaticrunner]

i'm interested to hear how the modulation mod sounds too... is there a way you could connect a 127k resistor in parallel with the 470k in r7 to get the same effect without tampering too much with the pedal?

[LavaMan]

How does the CC compare to the MP Deep Blue delay? Anyone tried them side-by-side?

[cestlamort]

I may have missed this earlier but:
does it go 100% wet?

[mkg]

i'm interested to hear how the modulation mod sounds too... is there a way you could connect a 127k resistor in parallel with the 470k in r7 to get the same effect without tampering too much with the pedal?

You'd have to feel comfortable working with those tiny surface mount components...way over my head.

On another front, my report of the demise of the Ibanez CSL chorus was greatly exaggerated. I tried it again tonight and it worked fine. Seems only the LED is bad, that's why I thought it had died.
I just got through running the CC and the chorus through the effects loop of my Goodsell, getting some very cool sounds.
I've never really used an effects loop or effects in general for that matter, so I've got an elementary question:
Does it make any difference which is first, delay or chorus? Any advantage one way or the other?

[kevinsaari]

Mkg, it's usually chorus into delay.

[mkg]

Kevin, thanks!

[kevinsaari]

Not a problem. :).

This is a good site to check out: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/fx-order.htm

[ruger9]

I may have missed this earlier but:
does it go 100% wet?

No. The original signal is always intact, even at 100% "wet" mix.

[jediamond]

Jeez what a bunch of nonsense! Who the hell cares? It sounds fine as far as tone suckage/non-suckage. If you are a super anal dork get a little loop switcher.

As far as a delay, just got the CC and it's pretty nice. A bit clean and hi fi compared to my trusty old (and very tone sucking) original AD 9.

The modulation is super subtle- as people are accurately reporting BUT it is a nice little bonus regardless.

The DMM is nicer no doubt BUT 2X the dough and cumbersome size-wise.

I will A/B with buddy's Malekko 600 bright this week and report back.

Cheers!

http://www.myspace.com/jondiamond
http://www.danafuchs.com/

[booboo]

Hows does the carbon copy stack up compared to it's predecessor - The MXR Analog Delay? Same pedal revamped? If one had a choice between the 2 which would you choose and why?

[todd richman]

There is a great demo video on youtube of the CC done by ProGuitarShop. I really like the sound of this pedal and the color of the casing is very cool too.

[ryhlick]

Has anyone found this pedal to brighten your tone too much? I have one and it sounds good, but I am not sure I like how it brightens your tone.

[musickbox]

I don't think it brightens your sound at all. I think it adds, what I like to call, a false "presence". Which basically makes your guitar open yet retains clarity. Some of the slapback settings might create a "brighter" sound, but actually its your guitar being doubled. Just my two cents.

[jb1911]

I don't notice any brightness added at all, and I'm very sensitive to too much brightness. My opinion is it's just right, not too dark or bright.

[Phineas]

got mine tonight. so far i dig it. no tone sucking heard at all when off & i don't mind the tone when on either. this is a great value as far as i'm concerned. warm but clear - that sounds good to me.

[impactblue]

Has there been any further news on the MI Audio Analog Delay??

[thezeng]

April ish?
you're in sydney, you should stop by MI Audio :D

[impactblue]

Hahaha...perhaps I should :P

But apparently it has..

Pure Analog
True Bypass
Tap Tempo??

[John Thigpen]

I'm thinking about getting one of these. Can anyone compare how the pedal works through the effects loop vs the front end of the amp?

John

[Andre357]

I have one and really dig it........has a lot of clarity for being analog and running on 9 volts......really nice sounding pedal

On high delay settings I get a bit of hiss or noise attached to each repeat ?? It's tolerable and subtle - but it's there...

Are you guys hearing this as well. I have other analog delay that do not hiss like this one does....

I may trade it in for another to see if i get less hiss.... If it's inherent to the design it will still be a keeper..........it's a really great sounding delay for the money.

I have mine after a buffered pedal in my amps effects loop and there is NO TONE LOSS at all ( I had it in a mini looper to compare for a few days )....

With no buffered pedal in front of it there is a very tiny amount of high end sheen that is taken away from your sound when the pedal is off....again I confirmed this with the looper....( this could be a good thing depending on your rig....there are gigs where I'm forced to use a tinny backline amp where this could come in handy actually )

All in all a great pedal, between this and the recently introduced custom shop 74 phase 90 ( it absolutley kicks ass ) I'm very very impressed with MXR - boutique pedals for the working man musician !!

[tinkercity]

I have one and really dig it........has a lot of clarity for being analog and running on 9 volts......really nice sounding pedal

On high delay settings I get a bit of hiss or noise attached to each repeat ?? It's tolerable and subtle - but it's there...

Are you guys hearing this as well. I have other analog delay that do not hiss like this one does....

I may trade it in for another to see if i get less hiss.... If it's inherent to the design it will still be a keeper..........it's a really great sounding delay for the money.

I have mine after a buffered pedal in my amps effects loop and there is NO TONE LOSS at all ( I had it in a mini looper to compare for a few days )....

With no buffered pedal in front of it there is a very tiny amount of high end sheen that is taken away from your sound when the pedal is off....again I confirmed this with the looper....( this could be a good thing depending on your rig....there are gigs where I'm forced to use a tinny backline amp where this could come in handy actually )

All in all a great pedal, between this and the recently introduced custom shop 74 phase 90 ( it absolutley kicks ass ) I'm very very impressed with MXR - boutique pedals for the working man musician !!

I've actually noticed some extra high end with the CC on... When I take it out of the signal path it's much darker a tone. It's ok as I leave the CC on always as a ambient delay and compensate my amp's tone circuit.

[vintage66]

Don't know if this has been asked, but how does it compare to the echo setting on a DE-7? Lot's of pages on this thread.

[Ed Reed]

Just maybe the extra high end is actually the buffer letting more of the highs through. That's one reason I'd like the Carbon Copy to have had a buffered output.

That said I found the solution, I just leave it on all the time.

[eru]

Just maybe the extra high end is actually the buffer letting more of the highs through. That's one reason I'd like the Carbon Copy to have had a buffered output.

That said I found the solution, I just leave it on all the time.

yeah, i only seem to be turning it off for my dirty sound, and i roll off highs w/ the tone control anyway, so it's not an issue.

[thiscalltoarms]

Don't know if this has been asked, but how does it compare to the echo setting on a DE-7? Lot's of pages on this thread.


I have them next to each other on my board. Use the Carbon Copy more for long feedback and the DE7 is my all around anything I need pedal. I've been using the DE7 since I got it used for $40 in 2003. Beautiful pedal for the price. I feel the DE7 and I are like old buddies...


The repeats on the DE7 are darker, but they stay bright enough to be usable. The CC is a brighter more there delay but the feedback and decay of the delay is more beautiful in an ethereal way. very good for ambience because of the decay with some treble- makes for gorgeous textures and soundscapes that I couldn't do with the DE7. the DE7 isn't amazing for spaceship noises, but the CC takes spaceships out of this world.

I will be keeping both on my board, but I have been running the CC with the regen almost maxed and the delay time most of the way up for ambient feedback loops and glorious soundscapes. I often run the DE7 after the CC to darken the delays and at some depth to the ambience.


my board also has a DD20, DL4, DD5, and fidgety vintage AD-80 and DM-3 that rarely work, but I try to keep it down to 4 delays- usually DD5, DL-4, DM-3, then DE-7, but the CC has been filling in for the DM-7 lately.


If anyone has a spare working DM-3 give me a pm. (always worth a shot)

[ruger9]

I have them next to each other on my board. Use the Carbon Copy more for long feedback and the DE7 is my all around anything I need pedal.

The repeats on the DE7 are darker, but they stay bright enough to be usable. The CC is a brighter more there delay but the feedback and decay of the delay is more beautiful in an ethereal way. very good for ambience because of the decay with some treble- makes for gorgeous textures and soundscapes that I couldn't do with the DE7. the DE7 isn't amazing for spaceship noises, but the CC takes spaceships out of this world.

I will be keeping both on my board, but I have been running the CC with the regen almost maxed and the delay time most of the way up for ambient feedback loops and glorious soundscapes. I often run the DE7 after the CC to darken the delays and at some depth to the ambience.




Great review. This is exactly how I see the CC vs. AD999.

[Mapleneck]

Well I broke down and bought a Carbon Copy. Should be here in a week or two. I will be comparing it to a Maxon AD80 and an old Echoplex.

[vintage66]

I have them next to each other on my board. Use the Carbon Copy more for long feedback and the DE7 is my all around anything I need pedal. I've been using the DE7 since I got it used for $40 in 2003. Beautiful pedal for the price. I feel the DE7 and I are like old buddies...


The repeats on the DE7 are darker, but they stay bright enough to be usable. The CC is a brighter more there delay but the feedback and decay of the delay is more beautiful in an ethereal way. very good for ambience because of the decay with some treble- makes for gorgeous textures and soundscapes that I couldn't do with the DE7. the DE7 isn't amazing for spaceship noises, but the CC takes spaceships out of this world.

I will be keeping both on my board, but I have been running the CC with the regen almost maxed and the delay time most of the way up for ambient feedback loops and glorious soundscapes. I often run the DE7 after the CC to darken the delays and at some depth to the ambience.


my board also has a DD20, DL4, DD5, and fidgety vintage AD-80 and DM-3 that rarely work, but I try to keep it down to 4 delays- usually DD5, DL-4, DM-3, then DE-7, but the CC has been filling in for the DM-7 lately.


If anyone has a spare working DM-3 give me a pm. (always worth a shot)

Thanks for the review-I now officially have gas.

[goldenboy]

After reading so many good comments about this I bought it so I could have a longer delay time. I currently use a Maxon AD9 modded by Analogman. One thing I neglected t thing about was does the CC have a volume drop. That was one of the things the AM mod did to the Maxon. Earlier in this thread some people said they noticed a volume increase but has anybody noticed a volume drop when engaged?

[thiscalltoarms]

i have not noticed a volume drop. i'll listen later, but I really haven't noticed one.

[Phineas]

no vol drop perceived by me either.

[FloridaSam]

No volume drop.

[goldenboy]

Thanks guys. I got a notice that it shipped today. Whoo hoo!

[jb1911]

No volume drop here either.

[Phineas]

so i'm loving mine and thinking abt getting another one for diff delay settings. what's the CC's competition? i'm looking for similar footprint.

any one ever try the jaques prisoner? i wonder how they compare.

[ruger9]

no vol drop.

[CC GunZ]

No volume drop here....

[mkg]

so i'm loving mine and thinking abt getting another one for diff delay settings. what's the CC's competition? i'm looking for similar footprint.

any one ever try the jaques prisoner? i wonder how they compare.

I think the Cmatmods deelay is close to the same footprint. I had narrowed my choice down to either the Carbon Copy or the Cmat and went with the CC.
I think I'd have been happy with either, but glad I ended up with the CC.
Also, throw me in with the "no volume drop" crowd.
It's a terrific little pedal.

[Mapleneck]

I got Carbon Copy today. Great little pedal. Nice to see MXR getting back into the game. And nice to see any company showing that mass produced doesn't have to mean low quality.

I put it into a looper first thing to see if I could hear any tone suck or volume drop. Now granted, a tweed deluxe might not be the best test bed for such a test, but I could detect no change in tone or volume. My CC is now velcroed to my pedal board without a looper and that is where it will likely stay for sometime.

I will also say, just a smidge more depth on the modulation would have been nice to get the echos into a moderately wobbly echoplex territory. As it sits, the modulation just adds a certain dimension to the sound that if you didn't know was modulation, you might not be able to put your finger on it. My guess is that in a mix it will be invisible. I play out tomorrow, so we will see.

[goldenboy]

My guess is that in a mix it will be invisible. I play out tomorrow, so we will see.

I'm interested to hear what you think.

[jb1911]

The more clockwise you turn the mix knob, the more modulation you get. I find myself adjusting the mod on my Disaster Transport to about the same level, so I guess it's just right for me.

[papersoul]

Is there any loss in punch with this delay? Pretty quiet? Other one I considered is the Maxon AD9 Pro. I need it to be line level and the CC is line level.

[VoodooBlues]

Is there any loss in punch with this delay? Pretty quiet?

Nope and Yes.

Great delay! I'm really impressed. It's right up there with my Memory Man.

[Todd Lynch]

Very impressed with mine - haven't had it long - absolutely love it. Georgeous sounding delay. As Mapleneck said above, the modulation is completely undecernable in a mix - I turned it on and off all night long last night (gig) and listening to playbacks of the night's recordings - I can't tell when it's on or off - so for me, if it didn't even exist I wouldn't care and would still own the delay. I can hear it at home and it sounds subtle/nice - again - the tape says it doesn't exist in the aural band mix and with that in mind, I'll likely not ever depress the button again.

Still - the delay sounds great and I'm really happy to have it in my rig.

[Jumblefingers]

I think there is a post from George Tripps in this thread where he mentions changing a resistor to increase the mod depth...but it voides your warrenty. Not sure if they are surface mountand if they are I would not be fooling with them...:stir

[papersoul]

Nope and Yes.

Great delay! I'm really impressed. It's right up there with my Memory Man.

Awesome! I am replacing my Nova delay with this I think. My Nova works fine but I think I want analog. The Carbon Copy is cheaper than the Maxon AD-9 Pro!

I hear people say digital delays can lose punch due to the converters but I don't hear or feel it.

[vintage66]

I think there is a post from George Tripps in this thread where he mentions changing a resistor to increase the mod depth...but it voides your warrenty. Not sure if they are surface mountand if they are I would not be fooling with them...:stir

Maybe I'll wait for V2 to come out. :drink (just wanted to use the new drinking smiley).

[eru]

Maybe I'm the only one, but I certainly like it better with the mod on. Never turned it off save the first day I got it.

If it were any deeper, I would be looking for a mod to make it like it is.

I guess I'm just weir.d

[jb1911]

Maybe I'm the only one, but I certainly like it better with the mod on. Never turned it off save the first day I got it.

If it were any deeper, I would be looking for a mod to make it like it is.

I guess I'm just weir.d


I feel the same way, but you do know that if you do the mod, you can still dial the modulation down with the internal trimmer.

[embraceadream]

I got mine with free shipping at elevation-music.com. Great gear and super fast delivery. This sounds great on my country songs! :dude

[mkg]

I feel the same way, but you do know that if you do the mod, you can still dial the modulation down with the internal trimmer.

I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized that the internal trimmers control rate and width, not intensity (depth?).
So it might be the case that doing the mod increases intensity but then you're stuck with that level of intensity unless you undo the mod.
Whatever the case, I'm perfectly fine with the modulation as is.
Like eru, I leave it on, even for slapback.

[readymade]

Just got mine, and I love the clarity and warmth. I'm not a huge delay guy, but I can see using this more than other delays I've had in the past. Keep in mind, it's the honeymoon, but whatever. . .

[59Vampire]

mine is on its way!

[eru]

I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized that the internal trimmers control rate and width, not intensity (depth?).
So it might be the case that doing the mod increases intensity but then you're stuck with that level of intensity unless you undo the mod.
Whatever the case, I'm perfectly fine with the modulation as is.
Like eru, I leave it on, even for slapback.

Right.

I actually haven't opened it up to even check out the trimmers or put in a battery (1spot). I should probably do that, but I found a few settings I like, and I haven't really screwed with it. Which is weird, because that is NOT the way I normally work.

[papersoul]

How do yo uguys survive without tap tempo?

I am trying to get all digital pedals off my board but my loop requires line level so I am using the Creation Audio Labs Boost and need the Carbon Copy. The Carbon is the only Line level (+4) delay I can find! UNfortunately no tap tempo.

Thanks.

[KCWM]

I currently use my Line 6 DL-4 for tap tempo...I use the Carbon copy for other random delays.

[Garage Dog]

papersoul:Perhaps this can help you out:o

http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php

[KCWM]

Here's a quick clip of some quick chords thrown together. The first progression is a similar progression to what I've posted before. http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6506710

The first two progressions are using a similar setting, though the 2nd has a higher setting on the mix dial. Modulation is on the first and not on the 2nd, if I recall correctly. The last progression is a quick one with a faster setting.

Nothing fancy or well thought out. But, it gives a couple of examples of some clean delays.

[zwieback-dude]

just found this nice demo on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWCjg6mLcb0

still waiting for mine :puh

[papersoul]

Any big tone robbing issues????

It seems this is the ONLY line level analog delay on the market.

You guys do okay without tap tempo?

[gkelm]

I've actually noticed some extra high end with the CC on... When I take it out of the signal path it's much darker a tone. It's ok as I leave the CC on always as a ambient delay and compensate my amp's tone circuit.

Could it be the repeats that add highs? In other words, with mix/regen/delay set to minimum (or I guess just mix set with no delay), is there much difference in tone pedal off & on?

Greg

[papersoul]

definitely line level???

Are the repeats warm? I know analog delays get bright when using short repeats.

[raginghonkies]

definitely line level???

Are the repeats warm? I know analog delays get bright when using short repeats.

Is it line level or instrument level ?

[thiscalltoarms]

the delay decay is nice and warm. when engaged it seems to add just a hair of treble to the original signal which helps the overall mix actually.


its got a good balance of warmth to the decay: not as bright as a ML or AD900, or as dark as AD999 or AD9 or DM2

[mrMix]

I have a Nova Delay but wanted to check out the CC because of the smaller footprint. It has a nice analog delay warmth - but I found it muddied things up a bit.

[FaselBaby]

I have a Nova Delay but wanted to check out the CC because of the smaller footprint. It has a nice analog delay warmth - but I found it muddied things up a bit.

Cant believe it is a Carbon Copy that is making your sound muddy. Probably the order of the pedals on your board.

[Catoogie]

How do yo uguys survive without tap tempo?

The same way people with Echoplexes, Space Echos, Memory Mans and every other delay on the planet that existed before tap tempo came around. Jeez.

[steevo124]

just found this nice demo on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWCjg6mLcb0

still waiting for mine :puh

Is that Christian Slater doing that review????

[Phineas]

so what's the consensus with v2 vs v1 re: the modulation? any chance for a v1 owner like myself to mod it to sound like a v2? what's the circuit difference?

[cuz/karl]

Change the r7 to 000

[radcliff]

Just got one.

Nice sound.

I find the last part of the delay time knob (the longest delay settings) lets out a very high pitch sound, like a dog whistle.

Also, the pedal adds a noticeable bit of presence to the dry signal when it's on.

[markom89]

I've got one in the mail. I'm excited to try it out- don't really know what to expect as the reviews have really been all over the place. I'm gonna' do some mods to it and rehouse it.

[Mullet Kingdom]

I'm gonna' do some mods to it and rehouse it.

:roll

[markom89]

:roll

:confused:

:munch

[espechemode]

what the deuce? why the bloody hell would you rehouse it? there's nothing wrong with the enclosure and it doesn't get much smaller than that. FAIL.

[jb1911]

To me, the CC is perfect the way it is. The only thing I can think of that I don't like about it is the modulation doesn't sound as good as it does on my DMM, but then there are no delays with mod that sound as good as the DMM.

[Jack Dotson]

So if price and size weren't in the mix, which is the better performer, the DMM or the CC?

I've pretty much narrowed my search to these two pedals and plan to buy one of these today. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to make a trip as local stores don't carry either..

Thanks

[jb1911]

The modulation on the DMM is so sweet, it's hard to describe. The delay is a bit dark for my tastes but it sounds amazing. The downside is the size and the price. I'm talking about the latest edition with the led under the power switch that says whether the delay is on or off.

The downside of the CC is the modulation. I'm talking about V2 with the mod mod. I don't like the way it sounds as much as I do the DMM. To me it only sounds good when it's adjusted to about where the V1 was when it was maxed. The delay itself sounds great, clean and natural.

If modulation is more important to you than board space, get the DMM. If not, you won't regret getting the CC.

YMMV