Korg DT-7 with Buzz Feiten system....a must ?

[nitehawk55]

Well I just got my Baker b3 Phoenix XT Tele-Bird and it has the Buzz Feiten system of which I have never owned a guitar with this system . States in the papers that came with the guitar that to tune it proper you must have the Korg DT-7 and the Buzz Feiten site also states the same .

Is this a must have ? Kind of sucks as my DT-10 on the pedalboard will not work oviously and it looks like the DT-7 is the only tuner with the Buzz Feiten capability .

Darn !!

[oscar100]

deffo!!!

[David Collins]

Glue a fake button with a lightning bolt to the face and label it "BFTS". When you push it it will sound perfect (so long as you believe). :p

Don't worry about it. Set up, intonate, and tune as usual, and you've got a great guitar with a regular old compensated nut.

[nitehawk55]

Glue a fake button with a lightning bolt to the face and label it "BFTS". When you push it it will sound perfect (so long as you believe). :p

Don't worry about it. Set up, intonate, and tune as usual, and you've got a great guitar with a regular old compensated nut.

So no real difference in tuners or how the guitar will tune ?

[David Collins]

There's a slight slight difference, but not something to rebuild your pedal board over. I despise the BFTS for the ignorance, misinformation, and snake oil marketing that it represents so well. Others love it, but there are plenty of archived discussions where you can hear me bitch about these things. :rolleyes:

In my opinion you would be better off intonating and tuning it standard. I've even cut BF nuts back to about 1/2 to 2/3 it's original compensation (since the system is largely built around nut slots that are set way too high). I'm sure others will come along with other recommendations. If it sounds fine to you now with that tuner though, I think that should answer your question. I'll stop now.

[AintNoEddie]

I'd watch out for a used DT-7 on eBay and simply give it a try. The DT-7 doesn't seem to be a popular model, and I've seen them for as little as 5 Euro on eBay...

[dankayaker]

The offsets are loaded into the DT-7 and to take full advantage of the BFTS having one would help. The Strobo has them also.

[greeny]

The Peterson Strobo also has Bus Feinten plus lots of other features and is miles better than the DT-7 (but is a lot more expensive). The DT7 is NOT a pedalboard tuner.

BF does tune slightly different to standard, and especially when intonating the offsets should be used.

But... various people (including John Suhr) don't tune using the offsets even on a BF Guitar. e.g. I believe John Suhr intonates from the 2nd to 14th fret using a standard tuner.

[bdegrande]

There is a difference. If you use a standard tuner, there is a tuning method suggested on the Buzz Feiten web site which involves tuning to an E note on each string.

[nitehawk55]

There is a difference. If you use a standard tuner, there is a tuning method suggested on the Buzz Feiten web site which involves tuning to an E note on each string.

I've got that method in the Baker manual too .

Thanks for the suggestions guys , i'm sure it will be fine with a little practice and if need be a different tuner .

[george4908]

I have the DT-7 and a couple of Buzz Feiten guitars, but frankly I don't find the sensitivity of the DT-7 to be very accurate. It should have a needle -- there's simply too wide a range of frequencies represented by each LED. My ear does a better job. On stage, though, you don't always have that luxury.

[testing1two]

+1 for the Peterson Strobo-stomp.

[nitehawk55]

+1 for the Peterson Strobo-stomp.

That looks to be the route I may have to go .

[57paf]

bdegrand is correct. You don't need a tuner with the built-in offsets. You just need an accurate tuner. The ironic thing is that the DT-7 is not that accurate.
As long as your G string is less than 0.019, you can use the tuning and intonation offsets shown on this webpage: http://akaelectron.tripod.com/c20.html

[AintNoEddie]

bdegrand is correct. You don't need a tuner with the built-in offsets. You just need an accurate tuner. The ironic thing is that the DT-7 is not that accurate.
At least on paper it has a +/- 1 cent window, which is as accurate as other good quality, non-strobe tuners like the Korg DT-10, Pitchblack or Boss TU-10/12 etc...

[Troubleman]

The Peterson Strobo also has Bus Feinten plus lots of other features and is miles better than the DT-7 (but is a lot more expensive). The DT7 is NOT a pedalboard tuner.

What he said. You need the StroboStomp2 I believe - that's the one with the Buzz sweetners. It's a deadly accurate tuner to boot!

jb

[MartinC]

I have an article somewhere ... the gist of it is that you can tune every string to an E. Start with the top E played open, then B string fretted at the 5th, G at the 9th, D at the 2nd, A at the 7th and bottom E at the 12th. Must admit I tend to just get the top E in tune and then tune everything else so that an open E chord sounds right.

[lifeinsong]

There is a huge difference with the BF system. I've been playing guitars with the Feiten system for a few years now and you'll notice the difference immediately. You can use a normal tuner and tune as you would every other guitar and that will get you CLOSE. I suggest getting a Strobostomp or Strobostomp 2, it's a great tuner that works great for the BF system...takes a little trial and error to get used to, but once you get the hang of it you'll play more in tune than you ever have before.