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Bryan T
06-04-2008, 12:59 PM
My friend bought a Tascam 38 8-track recorder a few weeks ago and then needed to buy some other items to get it working correctly (head cleaner, demagnetizer, tape, calibration tape, etc.). We got it calibrated last night and did a test recording to hear what an old prosumer 8-track adds to a Pro Tools HD setup.

Calibration wasn't too hard, though it left us scratching our heads at times. Both of us grew up using cassette multitracks, but a reel-to-reel is a lot different. We got each of the heads calibrated using the 1 kHz test tape and an external 1kHz signal. Everything looked right on the 8 tracks for that test tone, but things got a little off on some of the tracks when we looked at higher or lower test tones. We didn't mess with the bias, so perhaps that has something to do with it. Anyhow, five of the eight tracks looked great on all of the test tones, so we set out to do some tracking.

We tracked a drum machine, a uke, a xylophone, a keyboard bass part, and vocals. That let us hear how the tape handled different sources. We also played around with recording at higher levels to hear what the tape did to the signal. Tape saturation is a pretty good effect on the voice and the keyboard bass. I was surprised with how much high end the tape had on the xylophone and how clear the uke sounded. We were using my new AKG 414 on the uke and xylophone and I thought it sounded great.

After tracking, we dumped the tracks into Pro Tools for a little editing and to do the mix. Everything worked as it should and sounded good to our ears.

I'm not sure how my friend plans to use the 8-track. I think it would work really well for drums, perhaps transferring to tape after recording/editing digitally, and then transferring back. I really liked what the vocals sounded like on tape, so that's another option for tracking.

Bryan

rockinrob
06-04-2008, 05:30 PM
I really like tracking to tape and then dropping that to digital. Not only do the individual instruments sound better, but it really seems to add a "glue" to the mix that doing everything in digital doesn't have. That's what one of my bands did on our last project- we did the drums, bass and guitar to tape and then dropped that to Pro Tools. I'm not sure what kind of machine but it must've been an 8 track. I really wish we would've done some more to tape (especially vocals as we're a 3 part harmony kind of group) but oh well.

So we then tracked the rest in digital (horns, keys, vocals, percussion), after which they put it back to tape, which IMO was too much. You really start to loose fidelity going back to tape, but that's the kind of sound they wanted for that project.

The other thing you have to be conscious about when tracking to tape is if you're intentionally going hot to get that extra bit of tape saturation you have to back off the bass. The bass is going to distort way before the treble, and you mainly only want the top end to distort anyway, so you need to back the bass off way more than you think you should. It takes some practice to get it right.

KRosser
06-08-2008, 01:04 PM
Interesting test...I know engineers, I'm sure we all do, that still keep tape around for that certain 'something' that tape seems to have...

...I grew up on those old reel-to-reels that did 'sound on sound', where every track you lost a generation...Tascam cassette 4-tracks were a dream come true at that point!

Carl_Tone
06-08-2008, 01:39 PM
If you don't need multitrack capability,

A HiFi VCR is one of the most awesome audio tape recording devices available, and they are dirt cheap.

Did alot of mastering on one back in the 90's

Tape was definitely warmer than the DAW sounds I was getting back then.

And when your done you can watch movies...lol

Bryan T
06-08-2008, 06:12 PM
We did another session on Friday, this time tracking a 'real' song. It was an interesting comparison, as I did an acoustic rhythm part onto tape and then we dumped everything into Pro Tools to do some additional recording of leads. The rhythm part sat really well in the mix. We recorded that with a single Beyer MC930 at the neck joint from about a foot away. It didn't see any EQ or compression. This was the first session with the MC930 and I was really happy with it.

The lead acoustic guitar was recorded with an MC930 and an AKG 414 in a mid/side configuration. Also no EQ/compression, just straight to Pro Tools. The lead popped out in the mix really well. This was our first experiment with mid/side and I'm really happy with out it turned out. On playback I had a real visual of a guitar being played.

Bryan

hobageeba
06-10-2008, 12:46 PM
Tape really is great isn't it? I've got a Protools HD set up, but recently purchased a Tascam 388. I haven't had a whole lot of time to mess around with it yet, but it sounds amazing so far. I love hearing real tape compression/saturation, there's definitely something magical about the sound. I've got some tape emulation plugins that are pretty cool and all but the real thing definitely has more mojo. I should probably do what you did and give the thing a once over and calibrate it and whatnot...