As soon as somebody gets one of those new Fender Princetons...

[El Gallo Negro]

let's hear about it right away, cool?:BEER

[jazzandmetal?]

I already posted in another thread. I got mine tuesday. Sounds great. The reverb is a touch metallic sounding and get is easy to get carried away with. The vibrato is killer. I may change the speaker to an alnico speaker, but I am going to wait a while. It is also super light.

The only thing that was bad is it shipped with a faulty foot switch. I should have a new one monday.

[Purplexi]

What I'd like to really hear is the owner of a vintage PR compare it to the overpriced reissue after an in store demo that demonstrates how it doesn't hold up.

[BadCompany89]

How much are they charging for the reissues?

[jazzandmetal?]

What I'd like to really hear is the owner of a vintage PR compare it to the overpriced reissue after an in store demo that demonstrates how it doesn't hold up.

Wow. Nice attitude. Not everyone can afford a vintage princeton or a Boutique PTP wired amp.

While we are at it maybe some people that have real 58s and 59s can post some clips against an overpriced historic LP or a nice vintage 54 strat against one of those overpriced EJ strat.:rolleyes:

[farlowhigh]

I think what Purplexi is suggesting is that the vintage PR can still be had for less than what Fender is charging for the new reissue, that the reissue itself seems pricey. A vintage PR sold in the emporium recently for about $600 as I recall and I think the new reissue PR is about $800, right? People obviously have strong opinions here at TGP about whether one should buy vintage or go with reissues or boutique clones that often depart from the original designs to varying degrees. It is obviously just a matter of taste, budget, and personal opinion. Vintage amps can obviously sound great and they are often good deals but there can be maintenance issues and I totally understand the interest in getting a new amp with a warranty and no unknown previous history.

I would be curious myself to know how the PR reissue sounds next to an Allen Sweet Spot (or something by Headstrong), which is apparently quite close to the PR in design and tone. The Allen amps are made really well with high quality components and the customer service is supposed to be great (you can get Mr. Allen on the phone, I hear). They do cost more than the new reissue PR, though, and so I do think it would be cool at some point to hear an amp shootout with a vintage PR, the reissue PR and one or two recent boutique clones such as Allen or Headstrong. It sounds like the reissue PR is about midway in price between vintage PR and some boutique clones (or amps inspired by the PR with modern twists). I am not interested in having one or the other of the amps declared the "winner" but it would be cool to hear them all together and see what their respective strengths and weaknesses (although I doubt everyone would agree on such things).

I have heard that the new PR reissue sounds really good and I look forward to hearing one myself soon. I am surprised it took this long for Fender to reissue the PR as it is obviously a popular amp.

congrats on the new amp!!

[jazzandmetal?]

I think what Purplexi is suggesting is that the vintage PR can still be had for less than what Fender is charging for the new reissue, that the reissue itself seems pricey. A vintage PR sold in the emporium recently for about $600 as I recall and I think the new reissue PR is about $800, right? People obviously have strong opinions here at TGP about whether one should buy vintage or go with reissues or boutique clones that often depart from the original designs to varying degrees. It is obviously just a matter of taste, budget, and personal opinion. Vintage amps can obviously sound great and they are often good deals but there can be maintenance issues and I totally understand the interest in getting a new amp with a warranty and no unknown previous history.

I would be curious myself to know how the PR reissue sounds next to an Allen Sweet Spot (or something by Headstrong), which is apparently quite close to the PR in design and tone. The Allen amps are made really well with high quality components and the customer service is supposed to be great (you can get Mr. Allen on the phone, I hear). They do cost more than the new reissue PR, though, and so I do think it would be cool at some point to hear an amp shootout with a vintage PR, the reissue PR and one or two recent boutique clones such as Allen or Headstrong. It sounds like the reissue PR is about midway in price between vintage PR and some boutique clones (or amps inspired by the PR with modern twists). I am not interested in having one or the other of the amps declared the "winner" but it would be cool to hear them all together and see what their respective strengths and weaknesses (although I doubt everyone would agree on such things).

I have heard that the new PR reissue sounds really good and I look forward to hearing one myself soon. I am surprised it took this long for Fender to reissue the PR as it is obviously a popular amp.

congrats on the new amp!!

Thanks!

I understand what purpleplexi is saying as well, but at $899 an Allen or Headstrong should blow the fender out of the water as they are almost twice as much.

As far as a vintage amp, they range from $850 to $2400 right now. I got a good deal on mine as I work at a guitar store. Plus ebay is hit or miss to me with amps and I don't have a lot of knowledge on vintage amps. I have heard the PR compares favorably to the vintage ones. Time will tell if Fender has a winner with this. I know it is a good amp, but it probably should be about $100 less than it is.

[farlowhigh]

wow, I didn't realize that vintage PRs were going for so much. Maybe the one I recall was in bad condition. The cosmetic state of the amp obviously plays a huge role in the sale price for those vintage amps.

I would have to check the prices but I thought Allen amps were a bit cheaper than twice the PR reissue, but I take your point. That is one of the reasons why I would love to hear the PR reissue vs. a vintage one vs. a few boutique clones...not easy for me to hear vintage amps around me and so it is safer for me but undeniably more expensive to buy newly or recently built amps (i.e. used). If I were handy with soldering or really anything technical, I might feel differently about vintage amps as well...no doubt that they can sound great! I like being able to contact the builder easily with questions (or request custom features) and I like to give them business when I can.

hope you enjoy the PR! post some more thoughts on the tone when you get a chance.

Eric

[jazzandmetal?]

wow, I didn't realize that vintage PRs were going for so much. Maybe the one I recall was in bad condition. The cosmetic state of the amp obviously plays a huge role in the sale price for those vintage amps.

I would have to check the prices but I thought Allen amps were a bit cheaper than twice the PR reissue, but I take your point. That is one of the reasons why I would love to hear the PR reissue vs. a vintage one vs. a few boutique clones...not easy for me to hear vintage amps around me and so it is safer for me but undeniably more expensive to buy newly or recently built amps (i.e. used). If I were handy with soldering or really anything technical, I might feel differently about vintage amps as well...no doubt that they can sound great! I like being able to contact the builder easily with questions (or request custom features) and I like to give them business when I can.

hope you enjoy the PR! post some more thoughts on the tone when you get a chance.

Eric

I am just going on completed ebay auctions for vintage prices. The allen and headstrong with "princeton style" amps are both over 1500 with a 10". Again, I am sure those amps both kill. they both get great reviews, I just cannot afford that kind of money for that kind of amp.

[El Gallo Negro]

It sounds amazing in the video, says I. I'm gonna check one out at the soonest opp.

[Purplexi]

Wow. Nice attitude. Not everyone can afford a vintage princeton or a Boutique PTP wired amp.

While we are at it maybe some people that have real 58s and 59s can post some clips against an overpriced historic LP or a nice vintage 54 strat against one of those overpriced EJ strat.:rolleyes:
Sorry for sounding too negative, I just think it's greedy of Fender to develop a product for lower price purchase then take advantage of collector interest. I realize they're in business to make a buck but in answer to that I would point out that Ford, which had major success with the initial and retro Mustangs, kept their prices down even in the face of massive interest. Bravo Ford and Egnater, Booo Fender, Marshall.

[jazzandmetal?]

Sorry for sounding too negative, I just think it's greedy of Fender to develop a product for lower price purchase then take advantage of collector interest. I realize they're in business to make a buck but in answer to that I would point out that Ford, which had major success with the initial and retro Mustangs, kept their prices down even in the face of massive interest. Bravo Ford and Egnater, Booo Fender, Marshall.

I couldn't agree with you more about the price. They should have kept it at or under $799. It was a bad move IMHO to release it for all of 24 hrs at that price and raise the price $100. I guess they were due for an amp price increase on some models as the DRRI also went up...but they knew that was coming so they should have either held off on the release date or stuck to $799.

[Rick1114]

Princetons are hot right now. It seems that everyone is looking for a good "in between" amp, something that works for the bedroom and just enough power to give the goods in rehearsal situation. The demand is through the roof, but will die down eventually I suppose, just like everything else. I was going to buy the PRRI, but got tired of waiting and just bought a 66 Vibro Champ instead!

Rick

[gkoelling]

I don't feel the PRRI is over priced at all. Whether you're willing to pay what they're asking is your choice.

Fender, as a company, has to turn a profit. They're no different than any other manufacturer.

When I look at the street price of a new DRRI, Vibrolux, etc. the PRRI is really not out of line.

If it's not worth it to you, wait six months to a year and buy one used for $550.00.

IMO, YMMV, Blah, blah, blah...

[bluescube]

Fender could have hit the $650 price point using a Miexican plant. Probably could have hit the $500 price point if it was made in China.

[Rick1114]

$500 price point if it was made in China.

They might as well have - all the parts will be from there. What's there to assemble in a PCB amp?

[Rick1114]

I just tried one at GC in NYC, it just came out of the box. Kids were blaring all around me so I had to crank to 8 just to hear myself. Didn't seem like a loud amp at all. My DRRI cranks at 4-5 and is only 7 more watts I think. Sounds pretty darn good when the tubes heated up...much warmer than the other reissues. Probably due to the cabinet/speaker size. Not chimey like the originals though still fun to play.

Rick

[NTBluesGuitar]

Fender could have hit the $650 price point using a Mexican plant. Probably could have hit the $500 price point if it was made in China.

I believe this one IS Made in Mexico.

[blueserv]

I just tried one of the new PR reissues yesterday at a local store. Like so many others, I've really been interested in these new reissues. But I've gotta say - I was really underwhelmed. It sounded very mediocre: kind of boxy & dull. The reverb and tremelo were very nice, but I just wasn't impressed with the sound of the amp at all. I think my silverface Champ sounds better. Maybe new tubes and a speaker would help, but I'm not sinking that kind of money into a new amp. No sale here.

[JoshuaTSP]

Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM

For this.....they should be able to get it to us for a lesser sale price.

http://www.kbapps.com/audio/schematics/tubeamps/fender/images/princeton5e2.gif

[gkoelling]

Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM

For this.....they should be able to get it to us for a lesser sale price.



Your schematic is missing a few very expensive components.

[tmac]

Wrong amp my friend

Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM

For this.....they should be able to get it to us for a lesser sale price.

http://www.kbapps.com/audio/schematics/tubeamps/fender/images/princeton5e2.gif

[blueserv]

"Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM"

I bet that's what it is. I hope so, because I really wanted to like this amp.

The only other complaint I have with it is the same as any other new production amp - and that's the weight issue. I'm nit-picking here, but my friends old BF Princeton (NR) is light as a feather. Why do they have to use such heavy wood for the cabs? That really detracts from the appeal of having a small amp to tote around.

Other than that, I'm sure it's a fine amp. But I'll probably wait to pick one up on the used market.

[Rick1114]

I just tried one of the new PR reissues yesterday at a local store. Like so many others, I've really been interested in these new reissues. But I've gotta say - I was really underwhelmed. It sounded very mediocre: kind of boxy & dull. The reverb and tremelo were very nice, but I just wasn't impressed with the sound of the amp at all. I think my silverface Champ sounds better. Maybe new tubes and a speaker would help, but I'm not sinking that kind of money into a new amp. No sale here.

I have a DRRI, so I thought the Princeton sounded less harsh out of the box. The trem is better than the DRRI, but not nearly as nice as my vibro champ. It seemed to overdrive at lower volumes too, where the DRRI is sort of stiff until you really crank it. But on the other hand the princeton has a has less sparkle than my DRRI or 66' Vibro Champ. I wouldn't dump too much $$$ into a fender reissue amp. Learned my lesson that already.

Rick

[JoshuaTSP]

Your schematic is missing a few very expensive components.

:worthless

[NTBluesGuitar]

http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/schem/princeton_reverb_aa1164_schem.gif

http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/schem/princeton_reverb_aa1164_layout.gif''

Better?

:D

[JoshuaTSP]

thank you!
:D

[NTBluesGuitar]

'S'all good! I loves me Tweed Princetons, too.

[Walter Broes]

I wonder what the Princeton RI will cost in Europe - probably more than 800, in Euros.

I bet a more efficient speaker with a bigger magnet and voice coil would do wonders - no experience with Princeton RI's yet, of course, but I do have plenty of experience with the Jensen C10R's - they're OK, but not great.
Not an expensive fix though, any $50 Eminence speaker will be more efficient and bigger and beefier sounding.

[Kojack19]

Just found this short you tube demo of the 65 reissue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxrdn8aUN0

[mbratch]

I am just going on completed ebay auctions for vintage prices. The allen and headstrong with "princeton style" amps are both over 1500 with a 10". Again, I am sure those amps both kill. they both get great reviews, I just cannot afford that kind of money for that kind of amp.
I've been tracking completed eBay auctions in detail (see my link below). The average going price for a Silverface Princeton Reverb dated 1972 or greater is less than $750. And the circuits early half of the 70's are essentially identical to the Blackface circuits. The SFPRs are real sleepers. ;)

[5E3]

Just found this short you tube demo of the 65 reissue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxrdn8aUN0

I can't think of the title to that song he was playing :( What was it? Sleep Walk?

Anyway, sounded good.

[jazzandmetal?]

"Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM"

I bet that's what it is. I hope so, because I really wanted to like this amp.

The only other complaint I have with it is the same as any other new production amp - and that's the weight issue. I'm nit-picking here, but my friends old BF Princeton (NR) is light as a feather. Why do they have to use such heavy wood for the cabs? That really detracts from the appeal of having a small amp to tote around.

Other than that, I'm sure it's a fine amp. But I'll probably wait to pick one up on the used market.

Really? My amp is super light.

[jazzandmetal?]

I've been tracking completed eBay auctions in detail (see my link below). The average going price for a Silverface Princeton Reverb dated 1972 or greater is less than $750. And the circuits early half of the 70's are essentially identical to the Blackface circuits. The SFPRs are real sleepers. ;)

Yeah, I put the price range for the blackface pricetons. Older than 72 since the RI was supposed to be a 65 reissue.

[blueserv]

The only other complaint I have with it is the same as any other new production amp - and that's the weight issue. I'm nit-picking here, but my friends old BF Princeton (NR) is light as a feather. Why do they have to use such heavy wood for the cabs? That really detracts from the appeal of having a small amp to tote around.

Really? My amp is super light.

Like I said... I'm nit-picking here. And this should probably be in a different thread. I know I'm comparing "apples" to "oranges", but it really seems like the newer cabs are heavier than the older ones.

Of course, I'm heavier than I used to be, too. So, who am I to be talking? ;)

[mrface2112]

but it really seems like the newer cabs are heavier than the older ones. well, 'real' blackface PR's have a pine cabinet. the reissues and silverfaces post '72 have plywood boxes.

that will explain a bit of the difference in weight and also in cost.


cheers,
wade

[mbratch]

Yeah, I put the price range for the blackface pricetons. Older than 72 since the RI was supposed to be a 65 reissue.
You had originally stated: Not everyone can afford a vintage princeton or a Boutique PTP wired amp. I put the silverface PRs in that "vintage princeton...PTP" category. And in this case, as I say, they are the BF circuit. I own both a 1966 and a 1973 PR and I literally can't tell the difference in sound. The silverface PR's are an excellent deal. The BF's have indeed gone a bit out-of-site price-wise.

[Flyin' Brian]

What I'd like to really hear is the owner of a vintage PR compare it to the overpriced reissue after an in store demo that demonstrates how it doesn't hold up.
Nice attitude. Have many friends??

JandM? Thanks for the info.

[jazzandmetal?]

You had originally stated: Not everyone can afford a vintage princeton or a Boutique PTP wired amp. I put the silverface PRs in that "vintage princeton...PTP" category. And in this case, as I say, they are the BF circuit. I own both a 1966 and a 1973 PR and I literally can't tell the difference in sound. The silverface PR's are an excellent deal. The BF's have indeed gone a bit out-of-site price-wise.

I was trying to compare the blackface to the reissue as it has a blackface as well. If it is the SAME circuit cool. Just trying to compare like to like. No biggie! I would love to hear both of your amps. I have never heard a Vintage princeton in person, just through online clips. I bet your amps are killer.

[gkoelling]

What I'd like to really hear is the owner of a vintage PR compare it to the overpriced reissue after an in store demo that demonstrates how it doesn't hold up.

please go away

[El Gallo Negro]

Just found this short you tube demo of the 65 reissue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxrdn8aUN0

The more I hear it, the more I likes it.

[Purplexi]

I'm still not convinced it's better than getting a silverface Princeton at a lower price, although the PRR sounds pretty good.

[madvek]

I am just going on completed ebay auctions for vintage prices. The allen and headstrong with "princeton style" amps are both over 1500 with a 10". Again, I am sure those amps both kill. they both get great reviews, I just cannot afford that kind of money for that kind of amp.

Keep an eye out for used Allen or Headstrong on eBay or here in the emporium! I picked up my Lil' King (w 12") in new condition with cover and extra tubes for $1100. $200 more than the PRRI.

[teleman1]

My God! Some of you are just a bunch of jamoeks! First off, This new amp has a warranty! If you pickup a vintage sfpr, you will probably sink a couple of hundred bucks by the time you tweak it out,ie caps,tubes, speaker?.
I have a pushpull volume SFPR and it sounds awesome and as good as other PR's I have heard. ANd I have it tricked out with NOS tubes. I have had the NEW PRRI in my living room, next to my PR and they are very close. The new one sounds a bit more throatier but very close. Now think about this! The new amp prri has a warranty. Now, I just found a freakonature for a close friend a 68 sfpr for $400.00. It needed tubes and the reverb isn't working, but it does sound awesome. Now hold your breath and try and find a 68 for anything less than $800 and you will still need,(odds are) to throw some dollars at it to tweak it. There is something to say about the vibe of an old Fender vintage and if you need that vibe, go for vintage. BUt the fact is that this new prri is kickbut and sounds very good and for $900 you get one with no issues and a warranty. ANd you can always tweak it better with some NOS tubes. I know Fender put a lot of thought into it and worked on it for over a year, comparing it to a real blackface. Now, you want it new and point to point? go buy the Allen. You want it vintage and updated with caps and three prong, go spend over $1000,00 on it. But Fender is one cool company and have your best interests at heart. For a big corp, they do have a big heart. Some of you guys talk about them like they are a big oil company. Wait till you find out whats in store in the near future, nothin but cool!

[teleman1]

Jazzmetal??? You diggin the amp? I didn't lie when we spoke, its the real deal huh?

Don't get stalked!

[jazzandmetal?]

Jazzmetal??? You diggin the amp? I didn't lie when we spoke, its the real deal huh?

Don't get stalked!

I like it so far!

[teleman1]

Jim,

The amp is cabinet is voiced for a 10" speaker. IT really sounds best with a 10". Just like a DR sounds great with a 12". For all the trouble of mods and speaker enlargement, why not just get a Delux Reverb, wola, your done. I am sure some are happy with the 12" in it. BUt as an extra note, the 12" probably shakes those expensive tubes even more cutting their life. Instead of a 12 inch speaker, why not an extra cabinet with a 12 inch that is voiced for that cabinet.

I have a converted Leslie from that was in a Hammond organ,(not a seperate cab) and put the guts into a homemade cabinet. I plug the Prinny into it and whoa nellly. I couldn't get a 12 into it, but it definetly does the trick.

[telehack]

FYI - For Europe based forumites - a couple UK web sites have started listing the PRRI at £679 and £725, that's more than $1300 -1400 US. I don't see them selling lots here at that price, especially with an AC15 at about half the price. Oh well, I didn't need a new amp anyway.

-telehack

[bluescube]

Now, when is someone going to stuff a Twin Reverb amp chassis in their PRRI ala Mesa Boogie?

[teleman1]

JIM! Point taken!

[El Gallo Negro]

Bump.

[jazzandmetal?]

Am I the only one of 30,000 people here that has one?

[brettmoor]

Played one at Guitar Center today and loved it...exactly what I am looking for! Putting my amp up in the Emporium tomorrow...anyone want a mint Dr. Z Z-28 1x12 combo? :-)

[RnR]

Here is mine I got last week goosing it up to ten and doing the 70s rock thing - just guitar and amp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj_9ZQmM6_k

[Geetarpicker]

"Sounds like a case of "un-broken speaker".........to me.:MMM"

I bet that's what it is. I hope so, because I really wanted to like this amp.

The only other complaint I have with it is the same as any other new production amp - and that's the weight issue. I'm nit-picking here, but my friends old BF Princeton (NR) is light as a feather. Why do they have to use such heavy wood for the cabs? That really detracts from the appeal of having a small amp to tote around.

Other than that, I'm sure it's a fine amp. But I'll probably wait to pick one up on the used market.

Could the reissue cabs be plywood and the originals solid pine? That would explain the weight.

[Rockinrob86]

I think these are good to have around again. I did some researching and came up with this website http://www.xprt.net/~benboom/ampprices.htm. It shows fender prices in 68. according to it, the Princeton originally cost $189.50, which adjusted for inflation is $938.07. So the amp has actually gotten cheaper. We have just become used to the foreign made, mass produced, cheaper amplifiers. My .02 is that for some people, the added security of the warranty and that it is a new amp make it a good deal. As long as they use decent components, it will sound really good, and for most people that havent heard a healthy old one, it will be awesome. I will probably just get a SF.

Tube amps are just expensive.

[shally]

I am just going on completed ebay auctions for vintage prices. The allen and headstrong with "princeton style" amps are both over 1500 with a 10". Again, I am sure those amps both kill. they both get great reviews, I just cannot afford that kind of money for that kind of amp.

check out what paul gustafson is making at www.evacuatedelectronics.com (http://www.evacuatedelectronics.com)

i have one of his deluxe clones and it is terrific.. very very reasonable
and he is a pleasure to work with

[AshlandBump]

fyi -- there's a lot of discussion about these amps over at the FDP forum. Mods -- if refererence to that forum violates policy, please delete this post.

[cestlamort]

More inflation (out of curiosity). The page Rockinrob86 linked to is for the dollar eight years ago.

The 68 princeton list of $189.50 works out to be around $1165 in 2007 dollars, which is still a bit less than the $1200 list on the PRRI. (whether the list prices were as arbitrary 40 years ago as now is an interesting question).

For myself, I'd pay extra for an old one that has lasted 40 years already, even with some repairs. I think the reissue missed a sweet spot of $699-799, honestly. I'd also happily welcome a new one into my house.

[trpullen]

Really....Really....Great tone!!!!

Lightweight, nice cleans, good gain, tremolo rocks!!!!

[shark_bite]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHVG4kDurtY) is another good video of the RI in action -- and you don't really get a better demo-er than Jim Campilongo. Of course, it's Fender's video - he might endorse the RI but I'm sure he'll continue to play the old ones - so take the marketing with a grain of salt and just use your ears.

[screamtone]

I think these are good to have around again. I did some researching and came up with this website http://www.xprt.net/~benboom/ampprices.htm. It shows fender prices in 68. according to it, the Princeton originally cost $189.50, which adjusted for inflation is $938.07. So the amp has actually gotten cheaper.


You're adjustment doesn't take into consideration the fact that one is handwired (labor intensive and possibly higher quality) and one is PCB (cheaper to make due to technological advances). That analysis would be great for a bushel of corn, but since the products aren't the same, I'm not sure it applies here.

If they were selling handwired PR's for $938, I don't think anyone would be complaining.

[hubert]

just put a 10F100 Weber in my PRRI - sounds like the perfect speaker for this amp (I've tried about 5 so far, 10s and 12s) - also using a 5V4 in the rectifier and all nos otherwise - hope that's ok to do -

[biggreen]

Has anyone posted this MF review yet?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document/fender/65_princeton_reverb_vintage_reissue?doc_id=103764

[shark_bite]

Ugh, I have nothing against reissuing old amps. I'm all for it. So please don't take this as vintage snobbery - but seriously. The author of that review's idea that if his old one breaks he can just replace it with a reissue and it will be exactly the same, it's stupid. And while nobody on these forums is likely to believe that, there are people out there who will. Why can't they just say "It's not the same exact amp as the old one, and it won't sound exactly the same, but it will be close and much more practical for some guitar players." Why try to pass it off like this is an interchangeable substitute for the BFPR?

[hubert]

truth is, to me it sounds much like every nice old amp I've ever played - clear, warm, and loud - ultimately I don't think there's a huge difference between good amps with good, basic circuits - this is one of them -

[Jon Silberman]

the FDP forum. Mods -- if refererence to that forum violates policy, please delete this post.
You are mistaking us for the FDP. ;)

[cander328]

If anyone has one in the Boston area we can get together with my '65 BFPR and do some side by side comparisons. PM me.

[hubert]

"You are mistaking us for the FDP"

there's no mistaking anyone for that fascist Chris Greene -

[dk_ace]

I can pick originals up for 600-800 without a problem, so I won't be buying the RI.

D

[homerayvaughan]

I can pick originals up for 600-800 without a problem, so I won't be buying the RI.

D
In what condition? Need tubes? speaker? caps? Reverb and trem working? I bought a '65 on e bay for $700 - great deal I thought. I ended up putting over $300 into it, including a new weber speaker, and it still didn't sound good, so I sold it. I plugged in a reissue and bam - the tone was there. I currently use a '66 super and a '71 deluxe and have had numerous black/silverface Fenders - this reissue sounds great. If you want that sound and you don't want the hassle of e bay or the issues that an old amp brings, I'd pick one up in a heartbeat.

[hubert]

Ebay is becoming more and more 'scam central' - sellers figure that no one wants to go to the trouble to send something back so they'll just put the money into it for a fix - this amp is great with RCA power tubes, GE 12ax's, and a 5V4 - also, weber 10 inch ceramics sound just like the old Jensen 12 inch ceramics and can make this sound just right -

[Dave LaP]

Jim,

The amp is cabinet is voiced for a 10" speaker. IT really sounds best with a 10". Just like a DR sounds great with a 12". For all the trouble of mods and speaker enlargement, why not just get a Delux Reverb, wola, your done. I am sure some are happy with the 12" in it. BUt as an extra note, the 12" probably shakes those expensive tubes even more cutting their life. Instead of a 12 inch speaker, why not an extra cabinet with a 12 inch that is voiced for that cabinet.

I have a converted Leslie from that was in a Hammond organ,(not a seperate cab) and put the guts into a homemade cabinet. I plug the Prinny into it and whoa nellly. I couldn't get a 12 into it, but it definetly does the trick.

I have a PR clone-Lil King-with a 12 inch speaker and I much prefer it over a 10. don't agree that Princetons sounds best with a 10. Of course that's just a matter of opinion.

[Dave LaP]

Keep an eye out for used Allen or Headstrong on eBay or here in the emporium! I picked up my Lil' King (w 12") in new condition with cover and extra tubes for $1100. $200 more than the PRRI.

+1 on the Lil King. I bought both of mine used for the same price.1100. Killer amp and excellent construction. I play it all the time. A much better buy for my money than than a mass produced circuit board reissue.

[SnidelyWhiplash]

+1 on the Lil King. I bought both of mine used for the same price.1100. Killer amp and excellent construction. I play it all the time. A much better buy for my money than than a mass produced circuit board reissue.

The Lil' King with the 12" speaker rules.

[groovy daddy]

I had a '68 Princeton Reverb, you know with the aluminum grille trim. Bought it new and played the heck out of it for about 5 years. What it lacked in volume it made up in tone and then some. It was 12 watts (new ones are 15). I remember the owners manual said "don't jar the tubes when hot" and "use 2nd input jack for microphone". Excellent recording amp. You could really hear the sag with Humbuckers but sounded like bells with a Strat. Had the speaker reconed once (Humbuckers finally cracked it). I don't know about the new ones if they could take the punishment I gave this thing. I have kicked myself in the ass a million times for selling it but I never dreamed they would get so expensive and hard to replace.

[stratdev]

MUCH BETTER! 1x12 aged grillcloth baffleboard from Larry Rodgers, $75; Texas Heat, same as my old '64 Deluxe Reverb. I still have a RW&B to try in there in a couple weeks. Great dispersion now on small stages; now it has a substantial bottom end.

Stock baffle still has Weber P10Q (anything was better than the Jensen 10 stock for my needs. The P10Q was actually pretty impressive...

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