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doc
06-13-2008, 10:12 PM
Hopefully this thread will not spin out of control and get me booted.
I'm asking mostly out of curiosity, and the thought that someday getting one of these and upgrading a bit for use in questionable dives where my nicer guitars shouldn't go.
Aside from the clearly questionable nature of some of these products, especially those labeled "Gibson" and "Made in USA", who has firsthand experience and can tell me which ones are near Epiphone quality and which ones are crap with no truss rod and made of poor materials? I'm looking for the best cost to quality ratio, skewed toward quality. I'm averse to importing a clear fake, but for informational purposes I'd like a heads up if some of those are of good quality. If you have extensive experience with numerous examples, a small table of brands/companies with notes would be wonderful.
If you are associated with one of these companies, please refrain from cluttering up this thread with poorly composed claims of greatness for your product.
Thanks!

dk123123dk
06-13-2008, 10:38 PM
Well I have no experience with actual Gibson copies with the logos and all. I hear they are mostly plywood junk.

I have a SX GG1 dual p90 guitar that I bought for a hundred bucks. I thought hey 100 for a set neck mahogany guitar? Can't go wrong? Well the guitar is playable out of the box, but with a few minor upgrades, you are in buisness.

I put a new tuneomatic bridge, and stoptail. Bone nut, and Grover style tuners. I got the hardware from Guitar Fetish. The pickups were actually decent, and I found the pots and switch to be usable. I may look into upgrading the pickups and electronics, but for now they sound pretty damn good. I am able to get a sweet greasy slide tone from this guitar, and its pretty freaking sweet for what it is.

I would look in this direction vs a plywood copy. Plus who needs the headstock shape and name if it actually sounds good?

dk

baddmann28
06-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Get an Agile LP copy from Rondo. Better than Epi, sounds excellent stock (3000 models and up). for less then 4 bills, no brainer. Maybe a pot upgrade, though the stocks aren't terrible.

Eagle1
06-14-2008, 04:07 AM
Edwards hands down (woodwork in China.)

sshan25
06-14-2008, 11:07 AM
Dumpster Dream Tone Mk V Shenzhen Special make top urgent loud LP vibe. Also Sanitaz Sound-Master Lil' Ms. Mary Ford unusually met with the praise by heavy axe-men.

RvChevron
06-14-2008, 11:12 AM
Dumpster Dream Tone Mk V Shenzhen Special make top urgent loud LP vibe. Also Sanitaz Sound-Master Lil' Ms. Mary Ford unusually met with the praise by heavy axe-men.

"Shenzhen special"??

Takes me about 45 mins to get to Shenzhen, where are the guitars???:banana

Darth Tater
06-14-2008, 11:38 AM
I got a PRS Tremonti (Korean, not Chinese) and after a pickup and pot upgrade it's better than any USA Gibson I've ever played. Replace the bridge with a TonePro's, and the tuners with Sperzels and I don't see how you could do any better for $600-ish.

Mudder
06-14-2008, 11:43 AM
For not a whole lot more than a new Chinese guitar you could probably find an older Japanese LP. There are a couple Greco on ebay right now under $300 with a day to go, and several Korean Burny that are in that same range. So even with shipping from Japan you're around $500 for a heck of a guitar.

Rock Johnson
06-14-2008, 11:54 AM
Please, please, please do not support the Chinese counterfeiters. Get a used epi or one of the excellent Japanese LP's.

biggreen
06-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Epiphone standard plus, or Slash signature model... oops sorry, they are real les pauls, not copies; :hide

♫♪♫
06-14-2008, 01:22 PM
prs se singlecut

doc
06-14-2008, 01:34 PM
Dumpster Dream Tone Mk V Shenzhen Special make top urgent loud LP vibe. Also Sanitaz Sound-Master Lil' Ms. Mary Ford unusually met with the praise by heavy axe-men.
Unfortunately I don't understand Chinenglish. I now however have a name to use in case I ever tour China - the "Top Urgent Loud Vibe" tour. Having said that, at least this is a garbled attempt to answer the original question to some degree.

sshan25
06-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Unfortunately I don't understand Chinenglish. I now however have a name to use in case I ever tour China - the "Top Urgent Loud Vibe" tour. Having said that, at least this is a garbled attempt to answer the original question to some degree.

Um, this is not meant to be taken seriously folks.

DrumBob
06-14-2008, 04:01 PM
Agile LP copies are great for the money...they're made in Korea, are much better quality, and cheaper than Chinese Epiphones. Go to www.rondomusic.com (http://www.rondomusic.com).

Maxer
06-14-2008, 04:01 PM
Certainly not a direct LP copy, nor a clear counterfeit attempt, but I'd recommend a top-level Agile from Rondo (Korean made, pretty good quality control, excellent customer relations with the American fellow who runs the company) or I'd check out a Hagstrom Swede or Ultra Swede... they're MIC but the ones I've played are very impressive; lots of bang for the buck.

OlAndrew
06-14-2008, 04:19 PM
http://store.guitarfetish.com/nexvsomaflma.html

$179 + reasonable shipping. Heard great things bout them.

9-Pin
06-14-2008, 08:08 PM
http://store.guitarfetish.com/nexvsomaflma.html

$179 + reasonable shipping. Heard great things bout them.

I have one of those. It is a pretty nice guitar. I am not too much of a LP guy, so I didn't want to spend a lot of dough to get that tone when I wanted it.

wildschwein
06-14-2008, 09:10 PM
I wouldn't bother with fakes. I spotted some recently on an online auction site here in Australia and the guy was selling them brand new for $500 AU and they were advertised as Gibsons. Pictures were so small in most listings you couldn't see the give away signs; except in one picture where they showed the back of the headstock which had made in USA and a serial number on it. When I contacted him about their authenticity - all he could say was that he was not in possession of the guitars and that he had some wholesaler in the US who would send them to him as they were sold. I contacted Gibson and the Auction site and told them I was suspicious of these guitar's authenticity and within days the listings were gone. The whole thing just reaked of a scam. I mean he was selling something he didn't even have.

Stay away. Get a Korean or Japanese LP copy or a cheap Epi model and do some work on it - don't bother with the frauds man - it's all just crooked and not worth getting involved in. The GFS model linked above looks great - go for that; those guys sell great gear at low prices. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for copy guitars that are affordable but once you start sticking Gibson logos on them and selling them it's going too far. Lots of kids out there are going to be ripped off and dissappointed.

nitehawk55
06-14-2008, 09:37 PM
Don't buy Chinese anything , they are taking all our jobs and filling our markets with knock-offs of goods ( most of it poor quality ) of just about any type .

I'd rather spend a bit more and get something made right and supporting workers in a proper factory , not some sweat shop .

jumpnblues
06-14-2008, 10:02 PM
I like my Epi '56 LP Goldtop with Lollar P-90s just fine. It really kicks a#* through both my Allen 40 watt Encore and Louis Electric KR-10/12. Beautiful, harmonically laden tone and the guitar plays just great.


Tom

wildschwein
06-14-2008, 11:40 PM
Don't buy Chinese anything , they are taking all our jobs and filling our markets with knock-offs of goods ( most of it poor quality ) of just about any type .

I'd rather spend a bit more and get something made right and supporting workers in a proper factory , not some sweat shop .

Well in many cases it is the big guitar and amp companies that are setting up production in China. They install their quality control programs and production methods there in order to utilize the lower labour costs; and many of the products are actually okay, not neccessary great; but often good value for people on a low budget. Not buying Chinese is becoming more and more difficult - in fact, just about all white goods and household electronic products are now Chinese made. But counterfiet products are something else. You don't know what you're getting - all the work goes into making them look like the real deal but beneath the skin maybe something different althogether.

doc
06-15-2008, 09:53 AM
Um, this is not meant to be taken seriously folks.
"Dumpster Dream Tone" kinda gave it away. Gotcha!

Trebor Renkluaf
06-15-2008, 10:17 AM
"What is Gibson?", Alex. I'll take belive it or not for $500.

bigolcasino
06-15-2008, 11:20 AM
questionable dives where my nicer guitars shouldn't go.

Ain't no such thing. :rotflmao
My Braz Historics (R9 & R7) or even vintage pieces have played in every biker & rowdy redneck bar and outdoor festival I've gigged over the last five years. As someones tagline here says: Like is too short for a "B" rig.
So ding those babies up! Some people pay extra for that. :p

crosse79
06-15-2008, 11:48 AM
+1 on SX guitars

fish78
06-15-2008, 11:53 AM
According to Ishibashi...these are comeing from the Gibson Factory in China:
http://www.ishibashi-webshop.jp/shop/g/gepi59lpstd/

prsisbest
06-15-2008, 12:15 PM
Ain't no such thing. :rotflmao
My Braz Historics (R9 & R7) or even vintage pieces have played in every biker & rowdy redneck bar and outdoor festival I've gigged over the last five years. As someones tagline here says: Like is too short for a "B" rig.
So ding those babies up! Some people pay extra for that. :p


+1, 100% agreed! You may as well save your money, rather than buy guitars that you're afraid to play. My PRSi (not SE) are the only thing that go on the road with me. Big stage, small stage, indoor, oudoor, and everywhere.