Think I had my thread deleted.

[JimH]

Morning all, yesterday I posted a thread about slave amps and it seems to have been deleted? how would I go about finding that out? did anyone see something weird on it. It was an innocent thread about slaving amps....? Also today I couldn't post until I'd re-agreed to the terms and conditions.

Weird.

[mbratch]

I saw the thread. It appears that from the very first reply it dove completely into an off-topic discussion about human slavery and wives and such. I suspect the moderators deleted it because of potentially offensive content.

You may want to start another but phrase things more precisely so they don't fall prey to double entendre. It would help, for example, to use the word "amp" right after the word "slave" ("slave amp") so that the latter word cannot be construed out of context. You may not recall, but in your original thread, you left the word "amp" off. ;)

[JimH]

Yikes...

...Thought it would be pretty obvious in an amp forum.

[Scott Peterson]

I had to delete it, I apologize for not PM'ing you about it. It went completely off topic and folks went places with it you'd not be comfortable with. Even after editing out some of the 'colorful' ones in an attempt to set it right, other folks bit the same bait.

I'd suggest reposting with more specific language in your original post and not leave it as ambiguous as you did.

[JimH]

Fair enough - shame it has to be like that. Weird thing is I work at a university where we're like 100% PC all the time and are so careful, guess I've got so used to it that I didn't even think anyone would take those words in any other way than they were meant. To me the word 'slave' in an amp forum means only one thing. seems I was wrong. Obviously you've got to do what you've got to do Scott. Thanks, Jim.

[gainfreak]

So what was the question about? I slave amps all the time!!!:drink

[JimH]

....Ah really - was just about slaving amps in general - seems to have kind of gone out of fashion or whatever, never hear about it... so - do tell. You bring 2 amps to the gig? Which amps? do they have specific slave outputs?

[mitch236]

WOW! I am so sorry. I guess I may have started it, but I never meant it to get out of hand. I appologize to everyone who was offended.

[twinrider1]

I understand the urge to use a word in a different way to be funny. But man, the religious/political thing is such a hot button, I'm amazed people haven't learned to bite their tongues.
An infraction certainly got my attention. I hope they'll do the same for the folks that ran this thread off the cliff as well.

[gainfreak]

....Ah really - was just about slaving amps in general - seems to have kind of gone out of fashion or whatever, never hear about it... so - do tell. You bring 2 amps to the gig? Which amps? do they have specific slave outputs?


There has actually been a resurgence of slave rigs recently especially on some of the other music boards.
I usually use a Poweramp for my slave amp. I have the main amp loaded down into a dummy load and I take the slave out of the main amp and send that to my effects and then that signal gets sent to the poweramp and then out to my speaker cabs in stereo. I prefer a w/w setup but most guys prefer a w/d/w setup and they use a third cab for the dry.

I use a Mesa boogie MKIV for my main amp and a Mesa 2:90 poweramp for the slave.

Now here is the kicker..... I use this at home lol! When I gig I don't bring the slave rig out anymore because its to much crap to haul!
These days the stipped down rig is the MKIV a midi board and a gcx switcher with my effects and the gcx loaded in a 6 space rack and I use 1 ported earcandy 2x12 cab. :JAM

[JimH]

Hmmm - kicker indeed!!! Jeez.

...you need to up the power of a MK 4 at home??! big house?

...I'm guessing you just enjoy the added depth or whatever?

[Glass Onion]

I use the line out of my Univalve into an Arion Schz then a DD6 delay into a rehoused 1x12 Pro JR. The difference in class A and AB amps gives great depth and girth. The THD by itself is a bit too focused until you really turn it up. I like a little sag and width so the set up is more for tone than power. And like the other poster I use it at home only because it is so much crap to lug up stairs and across parking lots etc.

[Jahn]

Hmm interesting, so I could slave my vibro champ into my Princeton, by going Vibro to Palmer PDI-09 to my preamp to change it to an unbalanced signal, which then goes to the princeton's guitar input jack. oh, and the palmer to the weber attenuator to keep the vibro champ's speaker quiet. that's an interesting alternative to bypassing the princeton amp and just plugging the champ into the princeton's speaker, which is what i was planning to do on occasion. come to think of it, with two fender amps hitting the signal before the speaker, i could use the vibrochamp's vibrato and the princeton's vibrato at the same time for some 2-speed insane warble, one photo, one bias...

[BobbyRay]

WOW! I am so sorry. I guess I may have started it, but I never meant it to get out of hand. I appologize to everyone who was offended.

I didn't see it so you may not have been the offender, but I think it is way cool to offer an apology and "own up". Good man!

[gainfreak]

Hmmm - kicker indeed!!! Jeez.

...you need to up the power of a MK 4 at home??! big house?

...I'm guessing you just enjoy the added depth or whatever?

I use the slave rig at home when Im in the mood to hear that huge wall of sound and I actually use it to control the volume. The dummy load allows me to crank the MKIV and I get to re-amplify the signal at a lower volume via the boogie poweramp. The slave rig allows me to get that cranked tone at TV volume!
For what its worth, I live in a condo so I can't crank anything lol!! :D

I normally just plug into the amp sraight up but for those times where I want that effected stereo spread sound I use the slave rig!
Im actually thinking about using the slave rig live again but Im not sure if I want to haul another cab!!
all the best!
~R~

[eyeball987]

Morning all, yesterday I posted a thread about slave amps and it seems to have been deleted? how would I go about finding that out? did anyone see something weird on it. It was an innocent thread about slaving amps....? Also today I couldn't post until I'd re-agreed to the terms and conditions.

Weird.

I had to re-agree today also. Was it everyone or did I upset someone also?

[mitch236]

If you want to run a w/w setup why not just wire one cab in stereo and only cart one cab around?

[Glass Onion]

That could work Mitch236 but you would not get as much spatial distance between the two sound sources which is what gives alot of the stereo efect. IMHO

[JimH]

I had to re-agree today also. Was it everyone or did I upset someone also?

I'd guess everyone as I've not had an infraction or warning or anything.

[mbratch]

Yikes...

...Thought it would be pretty obvious in an amp forum.
Oh I'm sure it was obvious. Just that the fun-loving members of the forum are not going to let an ambiguous statement go by without taking advantage. I'm sure no offense was intended, but since it was a sensitive (or "hot button") topic, it probably became an issue.

For example, make a post asking, "How do I date my Fender amp?" and see that you don't get at least one reply that says, "Buy it flowers and serve it wine..." or some such. ;)

[JimH]

Well that's kind of my point - everyone knew (surely), yet I was told to post in less ambiguous terms - I can think of plenty of examples of the sort of thread you're talking about - it just tires me out a bit, watching everything I write in case it's deliberately twisted. OK there's no overt harm in the 'dating the amp gag', but clearly some people were offended or at least felt they should be offended by some buffoonery yesterday over the 's' word - which clearly hits more buttons and for obvious reasons. I suppose it's the difference between a public debate and a private chat - much as it may feel like it at times internet forums aren't an informal chat - it's a public document that someone's responsible for. bit scary really.

[gainfreak]

If you want to run a w/w setup why not just wire one cab in stereo and only cart one cab around?

I carry a 2x12 ported cab for gigs now but I have done what you said in the past with a 4x12 but it doesn't sound as good as using 2 cabs spread apart and you can get some weird phasing issues sometimes.

I think slave rigs are great if you have an amp that is just to loud for a venue and you can tame the volume down by using the slave rig or if you have an amp that lacks volume or sounds better at a low volume and you can raise the volume up with a slave rig.

My Boogie MKIV sounds great at any volume ,so now I just use that and an earcandy 2x12 cab and some effects in teh loop and Im set now.

all the best

~R~

[hamfist]

Well that's kind of my point - everyone knew (surely), yet I was told to post in less ambiguous terms - I can think of plenty of examples of the sort of thread you're talking about - it just tires me out a bit, watching everything I write in case it's deliberately twisted. OK there's no overt harm in the 'dating the amp gag', but clearly some people were offended or at least felt they should be offended by some buffoonery yesterday over the 's' word - which clearly hits more buttons and for obvious reasons. I suppose it's the difference between a public debate and a private chat - much as it may feel like it at times internet forums aren't an informal chat - it's a public document that someone's responsible for. bit scary really.

you're right Jim, gotta watch what you say/speak/write/type - but be re-assured that the VC of your university isn't too bothered about your misdemenour !!

[JimH]

your misdemenour !!

...?! see what I mean - what did I do?...post about amps in an amp forum? - possibly ambiguously but I've certainly seen less clearly put posts getting sensible responses - it's the internet - we short cut our language a bit. I know you're only joking but it sort of illustrates the point - total Minefield. Seriously I think there's going to be some major issues with this in the next few years - we're all leading weird double lives whereby due to the 'space' we converse in being managed by people who are responsible for no body being offended by anyone or anything we essentially have all our conversation screened. Not quite the thought police but certainly the speech police... what happened to freedom of speech?! If all private 'chat' becomes public domain, as we live more and more through computers, there are problems ahead no doubt.

...Obligitory discalimer (another symptom of this situation):
1.The above comments are not a criticism of this board or the moderators - I realise your situation and you have to control the content of the webspace you're responsible for.
2. I've no idea what was in the thread before it was deledted and obviosuly do not condone or encourage offensive material.

...tedious rant over.

[hamfist]

If all private 'chat' becomes public domain, as we live more and more through computers, there are problems ahead no doubt.


Perceptive comment Jim. I agree completely.

[boogieplaya]

The way it was originally worded was offensive to me.

[Ricker]

Well that's kind of my point - everyone knew (surely), yet I was told to post in less ambiguous terms - I can think of plenty of examples of the sort of thread you're talking about - it just tires me out a bit, watching everything I write in case it's deliberately twisted. OK there's no overt harm in the 'dating the amp gag', but clearly some people were offended or at least felt they should be offended by some buffoonery yesterday over the 's' word - which clearly hits more buttons and for obvious reasons. I suppose it's the difference between a public debate and a private chat - much as it may feel like it at times internet forums aren't an informal chat - it's a public document that someone's responsible for. bit scary really.

You'll get over it .........and if you don't then you are in need of some real problems............he he

R

[JimH]

You'll get over it .........and if you don't then you are in need of some real problems............he he Nah man - I think it's serious, not this specific case but in general.

Perceptive comment Jim. I agree completely.Thanks man - I personally think the tail's wagging the dog at the moment. But that's the internet for you. I think the geeky/harmless associations of computer experts help to hide what a free-for-all and perversely totally not free-for-all it really is. - how would we feel about obligatory phone tappings or whatever? And yet I'm led to believe we can download almost any grotesque images and videos we care to. Totally bizarre.

...anyway, slave AMPS.... Been looking at the mesas and marshalls.. pretty cool actually, seem to be pretty much the standards - along with a few peavey classics.

[Ricker]

Nah man - I think it's serious, not this specific case but in general.

Thanks man - I personally think the tail's wagging the dog at the moment. But that's the internet for you. I think the geeky/harmless associations of computer experts help to hide what a free-for-all and perversely totally not free-for-all it really is. - how would we feel about obligatory phone tappings or whatever? And yet I'm led to believe we can download almost any grotesque images and videos we care to. Totally bizarre.

...anyway, slave AMPS.... Been looking at the mesas and marshalls.. pretty cool actually, seem to be pretty much the standards - along with a few peavey classics.

Well the internet mirrors the world largely.
Some countries are Lawful and abiding with rules in place...Others are free for all....anything goes........same with websites and forums.

If you're looking for free for all posting........Harmony Central....just about anything goes......which is great......
TGP.....tighter control,
gotta be a little more circumspective......That's it really.....there are choices.

And don't be led to believe what others have downloaded......
Download them yourself so you can see if they really are perverse...he he :)

Rich

[JimH]

Nah man I'm all in favour of things being tighter - not got any interest in HC since coming here if that's what's necessary.

[mcgriff420]

Gee whiz Batman, I was pretty sure everyone on THIS AMP FORUM understood what 'slaving' an amp meant.. I hope we don't offend the scandinavians with all our talk of 1960's Marshall Plexi's.. cause we all know what that really means..:NUTS