Playing in 7...or Zucker is EVIL!

[Ed DeGenaro]

So I spend the last week working on Jack's 7 licks...sigh that man is evil, evil, evil...I dunno know why we all aren't idolize him...

Here's my attempt...
http://home.comcast.net/~loudfunk/lpcustom.MP3

[Jemlite]

Nice playing Ed. What is this 7 Licks thing? Is it in the book? .... and where’d you get the backing track?

Nice fat tone tooo! I don't know how you can handily lay down so many tracks and post them so often. Maybe I'm just lazy or I gotta find an easy way...

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by Jemlite
Nice playing Ed. What is this 7 Licks thing? Is it in the book? .... and where’d you get the backing track?

Nice fat tone tooo! I don't know how you can handily lay down so many tracks and post them so often. Maybe I'm just lazy or I gotta find an easy way...
There are actually a few 7 licks in the book. The one on the clip comes in at the 3 minute mark.

This particular backing comes from a Filipiak instructional book with a few play along tracks with Chambers on drums.

As for the amount of clips...I turn on the amp, I record. So I pretty much record every day. When I woodshed I do it unpligged on the couch in front of the TV.

[jzucker]

Nice playing Ed.

I love odd groupings of notes so I incorporated quite a few odd-note grouping patterns in this book. I play this one (at 3:00) using pick and fingers. Is that how you played it Ed? I can play it very fast that way but I'm trying to learn to play it just as fast with the pick just to get both timbre's happenin'.

Wait'll you see the arpeggio-scale in Vol II!

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by jzucker
Nice playing Ed.

I love odd groupings of notes so I incorporated quite a few odd-note grouping patterns in this book. I play this one (at 3:00) using pick and fingers. Is that how you played it Ed? I can play it very fast that way but I'm trying to learn to play it just as fast with the pick just to get both timbre's happenin'.

Wait'll you see the arpeggio-scale in Vol II!
Yup, everything that has a single note on a higher string is where I use the finger for.

Hurry up with volume2 already!!!!!!!

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Yup, everything that has a single note on a higher string is where I use the finger for.
Great minds think alike! :D

Hurry up with volume2 already!!!!!!!

It's still 3-4 weeks away from my first draft. I'm still trying to decide whether to include all modes of each exercise or just a single example of each. Waddya think?

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by jzucker
Great minds think alike! :D
[b]

It's still 3-4 weeks away from my first draft. I'm still trying to decide whether to include all modes of each exercise or just a single example of each. Waddya think?
Use one with all modes to illustrate the concept and then go with a ingle mode, unless there's special circumstances where the pick pattern changes drastically etc...

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Use one with all modes to illustrate the concept and then go with a ingle mode, unless there's special circumstances where the pick pattern changes drastically etc...

That's what I'm leaning towards but my guess is that 90% of folks will not bother to practice the lines in all modes. I have found that to be human nature.

[Tag]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
So I spend the last week working on Jack's 7 licks...sigh that man is evil, evil, evil...I dunno know why we all aren't idolize him...

Here's my attempt...
http://home.comcast.net/~loudfunk/lpcustom.MP3

Best I have ever heard you play Ed. A little more restraint (like I should talk), get in some bop influenced and dominant lines, and I think your playing will explode. Great feel and taste in there at the earlier parts and some real cool outside stuff near the end. Near the end you are playing out, staying relaxed, and letting your ear resolve things. VERY hard to do and sounds killer. Keep at it man! :AOK

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by Tag
Best I have ever heard you play Ed. A little more restraint (like I should talk), get in some bop influenced and dominant lines, and I think your playing will explode. Great feel and taste in there at the earlier parts and some real cool outside stuff near the end. Near the end you are playing out, staying relaxed, and letting your ear resolve things. VERY hard to do and sounds killer. Keep at it man! :AOK
I am!!!! I'm working on getting hipper lines going fron V to I. And I'm also working on having my rhythm be stronger. The restraint...well, not much hope on that!!!. :)
Thanks for listeniing.

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
I am!!!! I'm working on getting hipper lines going fron V to I. And I'm also working on having my rhythm be stronger. The restraint...well, not much hope on that!!!. :)
Thanks for listeniing.

What concepts are you using for V-I transitions?

Have you tried melodic / harmonic minor 4th triads?

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by jzucker
What concepts are you using for V-I transitions?

Have you tried melodic / harmonic minor 4th triads?
Right now I'm just trying to get a conscious handle on using lydian b7, and super locrian for melodic minor, and phrygian dominant sounds for harmonic minor.
I really never used them "on purpose", which is what I'm changing right now. Next, mode 5 of Harmonic major over V13b9.

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Right now I'm just trying to get a conscious handle on using lydian b7, and super locrian for melodic minor, and phrygian dominant sounds for harmonic minor.
I really never used them "on purpose", which is what I'm changing right now. Next, mode 5 of Harmonic major over V13b9.

So, now that you have mastered ex. 1.9.1 (Diatonic septuplets), apply them to Super Locrian, Lydian b7 and Mode 5 of Harmonic Major! :)

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by jzucker
So, now that you have mastered ex. 1.9.1 (Diatonic septuplets), apply them to Super Locrian, Lydian b7 and Mode 5 of Harmonic Major! :)

Yesssir!:D

[Tag]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Right now I'm just trying to get a conscious handle on using lydian b7, and super locrian for melodic minor, and phrygian dominant sounds for harmonic minor.
I really never used them "on purpose", which is what I'm changing right now. Next, mode 5 of Harmonic major over V13b9.

Ed, What the heck are you calling phrygian dominant and super locrean?? Lol! What tensions against the 7 chord?

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by Tag
Ed, What the heck are you calling phrygian dominant and super locrean?? Lol! What tensions against the 7 chord?

Phrygian dominant, as in harmonic minor's fifth mode. A harmonic minor over E dom for example.
Super locrian...mel. minor's 7th mode... as in F melodic minor over E dom.
Lydian b7...mel. minors 4th mode... as in B mel. minor over E dom. Makes sense?

[Tag]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Phrygian dominant, as in harmonic minor's fifth mode. A harmonic minor over E dom for example.
Super locrian...mel. minor's 7th mode... as in F melodic minor over E dom.
Lydian b7...mel. minors 4th mode... as in B mel. minor over E dom. Makes sense?

Got it. Have no idea where those names come from though.
Remember on all of them, to get the "right" sound, you have to spell out the E7 and use the other notes as tensions. If you just use A Harmonic minor over E7 for example, it will just sound like you are playing in the key center...no movement....rock playing.
For some super cool out stuff, try F Dorian against E7 resolving to A min or major. Kenny Garrett\Pat Martino city. The E note in F melodic minor sounds really diatonic and sounds like an A tonic sound (resolution). The D# creates killer tension and really wants to resolve to the E note on the A chord. Benson specialty as well.

I have to order Jacks book, things are slowing and I have some playing time! Good\bad news, as I need more work!

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Tag
I have to order Jacks book, things are slowing and I have some playing time! Good\bad news, as I need more work!

Don't we all (need more work)?

[Tag]

Originally posted by jzucker
Don't we all (need more work)?


I became so busy in such a short time, I had to buy a $32,000 machine to keep up. I am booked for 6 more weeks, but the phone has been dead. You have to plant a LOT of trees to make back the 32 grand. :eek: :mad: Of course if I didnt buy the extra machine, I would be buried with work, and my other two machines would have broken down! No winning I tell you. :(
Look forward to the book Jack. Need some insight into some of your stuff. I have a file with all your clips I listen to all the time.
Still get totally blown away by the "How to play every note" clip. KILLER! :AOK

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Tag
I became so busy in such a short time, I had to buy a $32,000 machine to keep up. I am booked for 6 more weeks, but the phone has been dead. You have to plant a LOT of trees to make back the 32 grand. :eek: :mad: Of course if I didnt buy the extra machine, I would be buried with work, and my other two machines would have broken down! No winning I tell you. :(
Look forward to the book Jack. Need some insight into some of your stuff. I have a file with all your clips I listen to all the time.
Still get totally blown away by the "How to play every note" clip. KILLER! :AOK

What ever happened to that guy who I was arguing with causing me to record that clip? He claimed that an 11th was an invalid note on a maj7 chord because of the implied b9 between it and the maj3?!?

Anyway, thanks for the kind words. I've been busy too. You wouldn't believe what kind of crap is going on in my personal and professional life...

[Tag]

Originally posted by jzucker
What ever happened to that guy who I was arguing with causing me to record that clip? He claimed that an 11th was an invalid note on a maj7 chord because of the implied b9 between it and the maj3?!?

Anyway, thanks for the kind words. I've been busy too. You wouldn't believe what kind of crap is going on in my personal and professional life...

I think upon hearing that clip, the men in white had to be called, and he is slowly recovering somewhere in the lower midwest. I believe he makes a nice basket now however. ;) To be honest, I cant listen to that clip to much or Ill be in the room next to him..Lol!
Hope things smooth out for you in the other areas. The ups and downs in life just never stop. I just came through an EMG and nerve conductivity test in both my arms and legs, and everything was normal. Great news as there is no nerve damage, but the numbness I get in my fingers makes it almost impossible to feel the strings at times, and sends me into depression. Drs. are at a loss as to the cause. The last two years I have had nothing but one health scare after another. Still alive and kicking though. :cool:

[Tag]

Sheets of sound ordered. Really looking forward to it! :)

[spaceboy]

Originally posted by Tag
Sheets of sound ordered. Really looking forward to it! :)

:D You seem to get a damn lot of business off these boards Jack! and so you should. (can't wait for my copy either!)

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by spaceboy
:D You seem to get a damn lot of business off these boards Jack! and so you should. (can't wait for my copy either!)
I don't think he's selling near what he should...

[Unburst]

Originally posted by jzucker
That's what I'm leaning towards but my guess is that 90% of folks will not bother to practice the lines in all modes. I have found that to be human nature.

Personally I'd have the first few examples in full then leave it up to the reader after.
This means less info to deal with, a lower page count and it would encourage the reader to get the music off the page and onto the fretboard sooner.

[dkaplowitz]

Sounded really cool, Ed. I really like the sound of the odd note groupings.....it's always very fresh sounding to me. I think I remember trying those licks, but I never got them up to a decent tempo like you're playing there.

[jzucker]

Lots of material in Vol II contains these odd note groupings, many in repeated patterns I refer to as waterfalls.

Here's an example from the new book:

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/examples/book%202/5over4breckerism.jpg

[dkaplowitz]

Originally posted by jzucker
Here's an example from the new book:
Nice! Thanks for the preview. I can't get enough of the polyrhythmic stuff.

Do you have a projected date goal for the release of SOS II?

[jzucker]

Originally posted by dkaplowitz
Nice! Thanks for the preview. I can't get enough of the polyrhythmic stuff.

Do you have a projected date goal for the release of SOS II?

I'd say end of september

[Frank B]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
I don't think he's selling near what he should...


+ 1

[dkaplowitz]

Originally posted by jzucker
I'd say end of september
Awesome. I'm excited about it.

P.S. I'm curious, why do you call it 5:4? If I was transcribing something I would count the quarter notes and notate it with a 5:2 beam. It's been a while since I've dug into that section of my Gardner Reade book, but I'm curious to know why you're counting the 5 over 8ths instead of quarters. Cheers,

Dave

[jzucker]

Originally posted by dkaplowitz
Awesome. I'm excited about it.

P.S. I'm curious, why do you call it 5:4? If I was transcribing something I would count the quarter notes and notate it with a 5:2 beam. It's been a while since I've dug into that section of my Gardner Reade book, but I'm curious to know why you're counting the 5 over 8ths instead of quarters. Cheers,

Dave

Technically, it's 5 over 2 but since there are 10 notes evenly divided by 2 it's actually 5 over 4 with 8th notes. I could have writtent he brackets as 10 instead of 5 but what the hey...

Actually, I recommend not rigidly adhering to the polyrhythms but instead, allowing the odd note groupings to "wash" over the time. That's the whole idea of sheets of sound, actually...

[diminishedlogic]

could you record the examples on the book? or does it come with a cd?

[jzucker]

Originally posted by diminishedlogic
could you record the examples on the book? or does it come with a cd?

vol II comes with a cd...

[Mita]

Hi Jack !
Are you taking any pre-orders ??
Greetz
Mita

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Mita
Hi Jack !
Are you taking any pre-orders ??
Greetz
Mita

Not yet. Still a couple months out most likely.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by jzucker
Not yet. Still a couple months out most likely.
To tie ya over Jack...waterfalls in 7... :)

http://www.eddegenaro.com/audio/waterfalls.mp3

[jzucker]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
To tie ya over Jack...waterfalls in 7... :)

http://www.eddegenaro.com/audio/waterfalls.mp3

Wow! Now, if I could only play it like that! :)

[Lucidology]

This tread is a sunken treasure chest of good stuff ...
time to resurface ... ;-)

[twinrider1]

Right now I'm just trying to get a conscious handle on using lydian b7, and super locrian for melodic minor, and phrygian dominant sounds for harmonic minor.
I really never used them "on purpose", which is what I'm changing right now. Next, mode 5 of Harmonic major over V13b9.

So, now that you have mastered ex. 1.9.1 (Diatonic septuplets), apply them to Super Locrian, Lydian b7 and Mode 5 of Harmonic Major! :)


I read this thread and gave serious thought to throwing my guitar out the back door; and then walking out to the street to step in front of a bus.
I have a lot to learn. It really is amazing what so many of you know.

[gennation]

To tie ya over Jack...waterfalls in 7... :)

http://www.eddegenaro.com/audio/waterfalls.mp3

Sweet!

[reentune]

I didn't get a CD with Volume II.
Did any of the rest of you?

[dkaplowitz]

I didn't get a CD with Volume II.
Did any of the rest of you?
I don't think I did either, but he posted the clips (mostly/all Ed DeG playing) online somewhere (check Jack's SOS web site). I downloaded them and gave them cleaner mp3 tags and filename titles, if you can't get your hands on a copy, I can upload them if you like, but it'll take me a while to get them up somewhere.

Dave

[GovernorSilver]

I noticed a discrepancy between the notation and tab for the Coltrane-inspired pattern under the "Linear Scales" chapter of Sheets Of Sound Vol.1. The notation indicates a whole step while the tab indicates a perfect 4th in the same spot of the pattern. I see this discrepancy in several of the exercises in this Coltrane section.