Fractal Audio Axe-FX - This thing is STILL a Monster Part II

[Shark Diver]

How about Larry Mitchell doing just that?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YuXpOE1X5Zk

His gear thing clip says he uses to Fender Devilles on stage. Don't know if that helps the church situation. But I agree you can go direct easily and get ripping tones. And the ear molds are the safest and best tone if you can swing it.

Larry Mitchell rocks. I had never heard him before. Thanks for the clip.

[Scott Peterson]

His gear thing clip says he uses to Fender Devilles on stage. Don't know if that helps the church situation. But I agree you can go direct easily and get ripping tones. And the ear molds are the safest and best tone if you can swing it.

Larry Mitchell rocks. I had never heard him before. Thanks for the clip.

He's using the Axe-FX there direct to FOH. He's using the Axe-FX live now and is actively posting about it on the Fractal Forum.

[voojo]

He's using the Axe-FX there direct to FOH. He's using the Axe-FX live now and is actively posting about it on the Fractal Forum.

Yup! Here is a video of his gear walk through, it may have been posted before but here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUowkk95oTM

[Ed DeGenaro]

Can you suggest a set of IEMs? I don't have any experience with them. Are they wireless or wired? If wired, so they have a 10-20 cable with them or something? Thanks.
I'm using wireless ones, I got a few different ones...the most expensive one are the IE30s with custom molds, but dual drivers or not I can see why singers love them, I hate them for guitar, I usually use some 40 dollar ones that sound "right" to me.

[gag halfrunt]

How about Larry Mitchell doing just that?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YuXpOE1X5Zk

Hey Scott, Thanks for posting the link with Larry.

It's not like we necessarily need pros using the Axe as validation for us, but it IS cool hearing them state the exact same rationale for switching as we have used.

He's a great player, too!

[robbph37]

Help! I have had my new Axe Fx Ultra for 2 days. I am excited so far but when I turn of the cab sims it has a terrible fuzzy sound. I use the Axe with a Vht 2502 and a 4x12 bogner cab. What am I doing wrong because this sounds terrible right now with the sim off.

[bluesmostly]

Help! I have had my new Axe Fx Ultra for 2 days. I am excited so far but when I turn of the cab sims it has a terrible fuzzy sound. I use the Axe with a Vht 2502 and a 4x12 bogner cab. What am I doing wrong because this sounds terrible right now with the sim off.

Shouldn't do that, you need to contact the support guy at Fractal, Marty is great and will get back to you quick.

[Shark Diver]

He's using the Axe-FX there direct to FOH. He's using the Axe-FX live now and is actively posting about it on the Fractal Forum.

How is he using it? Not being a weinie, actually curious. The clip posted is the one I saw, and it seems the Axe is for FX, replacing the pedal board. Does he use the Devilles? Is he using amp/cab sims? I'd really like to go see some artist using the Axe and not amps. You and Ed live to far to check out. Just want to check out what others are doing tone wise live. :cool:

[9-Pin]

How is he using it? Not being a weinie, actually curious. The clip posted is the one I saw, and it seems the Axe is for FX, replacing the pedal board. Does he use the Devilles? Is he using amp/cab sims? I'd really like to go see some artist using the Axe and not amps. You and Ed live to far to check out. Just want to check out what others are doing tone wise live. :cool:

If I remember the clip right, the Deville's were house amps and they were used for on stage monitoring, his main sound went direct.

[Shark Diver]

If I remember the clip right, the Deville's were house amps and they were used for on stage monitoring, his main sound went direct.

Coolness, thanks. It sounded great.

[gag halfrunt]

If I remember the clip right, the Deville's were house amps and they were used for on stage monitoring, his main sound went direct.

Yea, that's what I got out of the clip as well.

[Scott Peterson]

Yea, that's what I got out of the clip as well.

+1, in that specific clip.

If you watch the other one, the clinic warm-up, that's 100% direct to FOH with PA monitors only.

[bluesdoc]

Help! I have had my new Axe Fx Ultra for 2 days. I am excited so far but when I turn of the cab sims it has a terrible fuzzy sound. I use the Axe with a Vht 2502 and a 4x12 bogner cab. What am I doing wrong because this sounds terrible right now with the sim off.

In addition to emailing Fractal, it's best to ask questions here:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/index.php
It's THE place to hang with AxeFx questions, considerations, hints, sharing, etc.

jon

[gag halfrunt]

+1, in that specific clip.

If you watch the other one, the clinic warm-up, that's 100% direct to FOH with PA monitors only.
It rings well with me, because that's exactly how I run my stage setup.

When I first started going FOH with the Axe, I tried just listening for my guitar in the regular stage monitors. That worked fine, unless I was singing lead (which I do in about 1/3 of our songs). When I sing, I need more guitar volume on stage, so it's just more convenient for me to also run the Axe through an amp and a 1x12, and make volume adjustments as necessary.

[robbph37]

In addition to emailing Fractal, it's best to ask questions here:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/index.php
It's THE place to hang with AxeFx questions, considerations, hints, sharing, etc.

jon
I called Tone merchants today and he told me that Cliff said it is best to leave the poweramp sim on even when using a real power amp. The reps advice was to keep tweaking and get the download as fast as possible. I was surprised that my new unit was not up to date. We will see but right now the jury is out for me!

[Jarrett]

What version did it ship with?

[Scott Peterson]

I called Tone merchants today and he told me that Cliff said it is best to leave the poweramp sim on even when using a real power amp. The reps advice was to keep tweaking and get the download as fast as possible. I was surprised that my new unit was not up to date. We will see but right now the jury is out for me!

Turn them on, but turn the "Sag" control way down.

[Jarrett]

What's a good 2 space gig bag to get for the Axe-FX? I'd like to put all the cables in the back or in a pocket along with (hopefully) a MFC-5 midi pedal for a small grab and go sort of thing.

[Ed DeGenaro]

As for the subject that the Axe should sound good with just amp and cab sim and it doesn't...I dunno, how one can't dial in a sound with it that doesn't sound like an amp miked. Seriously, as long as you know how to dial an amp to get what you need it's no different...
This is just amp sime and cab sim...
http://eddegenaro.com/audio/crunch.mp3 The Hen-Bev
and this...
http://eddegenaro.com/audio/ftlcrunch.mp3 The O'Donnell Fretless

both together...
http://eddegenaro.com/audio/bothcrunch.mp3

low guitars...
http://eddegenaro.com/audio/lowcrunch.mp3 Valley Arts Tele

all 3 together...
http://eddegenaro.com/audio/allcrunch.mp3

[bluesdoc]

What's a good 2 space gig bag to get for the Axe-FX? I'd like to put all the cables in the back or in a pocket along with (hopefully) a MFC-5 midi pedal for a small grab and go sort of thing.

http://www.proaudiosolutions.com/product-p/protec-114r2.htm
http://www.proaudiosolutions.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PROTEC-114R2-2.jpg
jon

[jazzgtrl4]

What's a good 2 space gig bag to get for the Axe-FX? I'd like to put all the cables in the back or in a pocket along with (hopefully) a MFC-5 midi pedal for a small grab and go sort of thing.

Ive got one of these.

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Odyssey-3Space-Rack-Bag?sku=804697

[robbph37]

What version did it ship with?

the editor says 5.24! I am currently trying to download the 6.06. This has been an adventure. I am not a midi guy so I feel like a caveman trying to get this unit to work with the editor. I am making progress. I did not have winzip so I am downloading it now to install the new firmware. I have also made progress with the cab sim off. Thanks for the input.

[Shark Diver]

As for the subject that the Axe should sound good with just amp and cab sim and it doesn't...I dunno, how one can't dial in a sound with it that doesn't sound like an amp miked. Seriously, as long as you know how to dial an amp to get what you need it's no different...
This is just amp sime and cab sim...


Agreed. What I have found for me is by not using the cab sims and using a power amp and load box that I get more of a "in the room" or "on stage" sound through the PA which I really like. No mic flavor involved. Others may not. But for me every time I had "my" sound I also felt I was the only one hearing it the way I was hearing it. Not anymore.

Now, some will say I could just use a regular preamp and outboard FX to achieve the same thing. I could, but A/B'ing a lot of preamps with the Axe I saw no advantage using another preamp, and many disadvantages. And if Cliff nails the 2290 I will be in tone Heaven. And I'm sure one day I will forgo the power amp when I learn how to get the same tones direct with out the outboard gear.

Nice tones as usual Ed. :dude Shows what can be accomplished with some know how.

[aksman]

What's the smallest Rack you can put this in???

will the ones that say 12" depth work? or will cable connections in the back (nothing bigger than george l's) interfere with that? and what about the handles/knobs as factors?

I'm talkin audiopile racks, since they seem to offer many different depths.

[Tonekat]

What's the smallest Rack you can put this in???

will the ones that say 12" depth work? or will cable connections in the back (nothing bigger than george l's) interfere with that? and what about the handles/knobs as factors?

I'm talkin audiopile racks, since they seem to offer many different depths.

You're asking about storing the cables in the back of the Rack, correct?

I have a 12" Audiopile/EAW rack, but it's a 3 space because I wanted to put my Rack Rider power dist. in there too. I have a lot of room because the Rack Rider is not as deep as the AFX, but IIRC, the AFX is still recessed a little bit in the back of the EAW Rack, plus there's a bit of space afforded by the back lid to the Rack (which is padded with quilted foam). With cable ties, you should be OK. I put a "sock" over any metal on the cables so it doesn't nick the AFX up.

[Jarrett]

Ok, I've been looking around and crunching numbers a bit and have come up with this:

Axe-Fx Effects (Standard) Processor $1,559.90
ART SLA1 Studio Power Amplifier $269.00
Furman M-8DX Power Conditioner with Lights and Meter $124.95
Gator GRB Rack Bag(4 Space) $84.99
Monster Cable S-100 Speaker Cable 1/4" - Banana (10 Foot) $19.95
Rocktron MIDI Mate MIDI Control Pedal $199.00
Hosa 7-Pin Phantom MIDI Cable $9.95
Raxxess Phillips Head Rack Screws with Washers(25-Pack) $3.95
Total: $2271.69 Shipped

If I added up the weights right, it would make for a ~40lb. rack bag. And I should be able to plug the power adapter for the Midimate into the Furman, then into the Axe-FX and phantom power the pedal; which would give me just 3 cables coming out of the back of the rack and one going in the front.

The plan would be to use my VHT FB 2x12 cab if I needed. Does the ART SLA1 through the VHT FB 2x12 seem like a decent approach? Bridged at 8ohms the ART SLA-1 puts out 260 watts. The FB 2x12 is a 100 watt cab in mono setting. I won't need anywhere near those numbers though to gig with or play at home.

Anyone see anything missing? Does the Midimate come with a power adapter? If not, I have a few laying around. Does the Gator bag come with rack screws? If so, I can drop them off the list. Anything else? Or is there a better way to approach this?

[cliffc8488]

I dunno about that power amp. I'd ask around at the AxeFx forum to get other's opinions but my feeling is that it's probably not powerful enough.

[Jarrett]

Thanks for the input, I threw a thread up there:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3287

There is a guy named Paul something on the Fractal forum that is running this same setup and appears to be happy with it, but admitted that he doesn't play out much.

I found this post by him:
Agreed. I bridge my SLA-1 into a 2x12 8 Ohm Cab - so get the full 280W.

Even so, I run the amp on -9bd - and with the Axe full its louder than my 50W valve amp. Easily enought for a band situation.

I think the 50 watt amp he is talking about is a VHT.

[stratzrus]

Does the ART SLA1 through the VHT FB 2x12 seem like a decent approach? Bridged at 8ohms the ART SLA-1 puts out 260 watts.

I dunno about that power amp. I'd ask around at the AxeFx forum to get other's opinions but my feeling is that it's probably not powerful enough.

I agree with Cliff.

I have an American Audio VLP 300 and while it's fine at home volumes, it's underpowered for concert volume (at least in my opinion). If you're going to go solid state I'd recommend at least 600 watts or 100 watts tube powered unless you're only using it as a personal monitor.

[John Alexander]

Ok, I've been looking around and crunching numbers a bit and have come up with this:

Axe-Fx Effects (Standard) Processor $1,559.90
ART SLA1 Studio Power Amplifier $269.00
Furman M-8DX Power Conditioner with Lights and Meter $124.95
Gator GRB Rack Bag(4 Space) $84.99
Monster Cable S-100 Speaker Cable 1/4" - Banana (10 Foot) $19.95
Rocktron MIDI Mate MIDI Control Pedal $199.00
Hosa 7-Pin Phantom MIDI Cable $9.95
Raxxess Phillips Head Rack Screws with Washers(25-Pack) $3.95
Total: $2271.69 Shipped

If I added up the weights right, it would make for a ~40lb. rack bag. And I should be able to plug the power adapter for the Midimate into the Furman, then into the Axe-FX and phantom power the pedal; which would give me just 3 cables coming out of the back of the rack and one going in the front.

The plan would be to use my VHT FB 2x12 cab if I needed. Does the ART SLA1 through the VHT FB 2x12 seem like a decent approach? Bridged at 8ohms the ART SLA-1 puts out 260 watts. The FB 2x12 is a 100 watt cab in mono setting. I won't need anywhere near those numbers though to gig with or play at home.

Anyone see anything missing? Does the Midimate come with a power adapter? If not, I have a few laying around. Does the Gator bag come with rack screws? If so, I can drop them off the list. Anything else? Or is there a better way to approach this?

...I have a 3 space shallow plastic gator case with my Ultra and a Furman PL-Plus Series II and I use a Midimate too...the "wall-wart" or power cable that comes with the Midimate is wide and you may not be able to get it to fit because the Axe-Fx is 12 inches deep...I ended up getting one of those plastic, square ac adaptor extensions which enabled me to plug the wall-wart in...I have the shallow case...

...to keep the wall-wart from moving, I got a 3 inch dowel (diameter of a quarter) and cut a half-inch notch in the bottom of it and then slide it over the metal on the back of the gator case...the dowel is underneath the wall wart and supports it...it fits tight and won't move even if I turn it upside-down...I can also put the lid on without having to unplug anything...

[Jarrett]

I have an American Audio VLP 300 and while it's fine at home volumes, it's underpowered for concert volume (at least in my opinion). If you're going to go solid state I'd recommend at least 600 watts or 100 watts tube powered unless you're only using it as a personal monitor.

Volume is not really an issue for me. At the gig, I have my SigX in 40watt mode across the board with the masters hardly cracked and I get told to turn down. :jo

They are shooting for a zero stage volume sort of deal I think, that's what's pushing me towards the Axe-FX. The SLA-1 is sort of an after thought which may or may not be used on the gig depending how things go forward. I may end up just going direct to FOH with the Axe-FX and just living with whatever I get in the monitor mix.

The wheat side of me is saying if I'm going to do the zero volume thing at the gig and not get the enjoyment of a real amp pumping behind me, why not just save the money and go Line6? But I've slowly come to really dislike doing the Line6 thing.

[Jarrett]

...I have a 3 space shallow plastic gator case with my Ultra and a Furman PL-Plus Series II and I use a Midimate too...the "wall-wart" or power cable that comes with the Midimate is wide and you may not be able to get it to fit because the Axe-Fx is 12 inches deep...I ended up getting one of those plastic, square ac adaptor extensions which enabled me to plug the wall-wart in...I have the shallow case...

...to keep the wall-wart from moving, I got a 3 inch dowel (diameter of a quarter) and cut a half-inch notch in the bottom of it and then slide it over the metal on the back of the gator case...the dowel is underneath the wall wart and supports it...it fits tight and won't move even if I turn it upside-down...I can also put the lid on without having to unplug anything...

The SLA-1 is like 9.5 inches deep while the Furman is 7.5 and this Gator bag appears to be 16 inches deep. I'm thinking I might have to go Furman, SLA-1, Axe-FX from top to bottom in the rack so I can hopefully get the Rocktron wall wart to fit in there. Hoping it works.

[stratzrus]

Volume is not really an issue for me. At the gig, I have my SigX in 40watt mode across the board with the masters hardly cracked and I get told to turn down. :jo.Understandable...the Sig:X at 40 watts blows my VLP 300 away volume wise.

You might consider using IEMs given the particulars of your gig. They seem to be a very effective alternative, and are much easier to haul around.

[Jarrett]

You might consider using IEMs given the particulars of your gig. They seem to be a very effective alternative, and are much easier to haul around.

I don't fully understand how IEMs work with the Axe-FX at this point, so I'm trying to think a little more traditional until I can get a handle on the Axe-FX. It's still a bit of a mystery to me.

[Jarrett]

Axe-Fx Effects (Standard) Processor $1,559.90
ART SLA1 Studio Power Amplifier $269.00
Furman M-8DX Power Conditioner with Lights and Meter $124.95
Gator GRB Rack Bag(4 Space) $84.99
Monster Cable S-100 Speaker Cable 1/4" - Banana (10 Foot) $19.95
Rocktron MIDI Mate MIDI Control Pedal $199.00
Hosa 7-Pin Phantom MIDI Cable $9.95
Raxxess Phillips Head Rack Screws with Washers(25-Pack) $3.95
Total: $2271.69 Shipped

Well I pulled the trigger... I've been reading about it, researching it and dragging my feet on buying an Axe-FX for a year and half now and finally did it. The main reason I finally decided to pull the trigger was due to the amount of guys that I've known for years on this board that have gone to it and not returned to tube amps as often happens with all other tube amp substitutes. Really hoping it works out for me and has the same effect as it seems to have on many others.

Thanks for all the input so far. I'm sure a ton of questions are soon to follow once it arrives. Guess its time to start RTFM'ing a bit while I wait on the brown truck to show up.

[Shark Diver]

Cool beans for you! I think you will love it. :dude

[Ben R]

Well I pulled the trigger... I've been reading about it, researching it and dragging my feet on buying an Axe-FX for a year and half now and finally did it. The main reason I finally decided to pull the trigger was due to the amount of guys that I've known for years on this board that have gone to it and not returned to tube amps as often happens with all other tube amp substitutes. Really hoping it works out for me and has the same effect as it seems to have on many others.

Thanks for all the input so far. I'm sure a ton of questions are soon to follow once it arrives. Guess its time to start RTFM'ing a bit while I wait on the brown truck to show up.

Good for you, Jarrett! I remember speaking with you here & there about the Spider Valve amps here a year back. I, like you, was / am in cover band situations that required diverse, authentic sounds. Like you, I was looking for minimal equipment & hassle. My Spider Valve didn't last long. I literally never used it again after I bought my AXE-FX and got enough appropriate patches in it programmed for my gigs.

I promise that you won't regret this. I've got mine sounding as good as tube amps I've owned and played with in the past. Just give it enough time to really experiment with it. Read the manual, use the online WIKI, and experiment. Also, consider following all of the great advice for new users that you can find on the fractal AXE-FX forums. It's really not all that confusing to use & program. It's a ton of fun to program and also play through. Good luck with it!

[YellowDog]

Yeah, I've got the money together and I'm about to buy the Ultra as well. I think that the Axe-Fx represents good value for money, when you consider its capabilities and the amount of gear it replaces (like most here, I have spent a fortune on boutique gear).

But here's the rub. Over here in the UK, the only option is through an online dealer called G66...with a list price 2,318 EUR (just over 3,000 USD). It really comes as no surprise to find that G66 are the sole EU dealer, without any competition of any kind! Pretty hard to justify a 50% price increase over the US retail, import costs notwithstanding, IMHO. That said, it's nothing new. We always get ripped off over here.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (I probably missed it somewhere in the last 300+ pages lol)...can you get natural, musical feedback out of the Axe-Fx as you would from an overdriving tube amp? I know that this could well be an extremely dumb question, but I can't remember the Pod I was using 8 years ago being capable of feedback, and I use feedback all the time in overdrive situations.

[Scott Peterson]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (I probably missed it somewhere in the last 300+ pages lol)...can you get natural, musical feedback out of the Axe-Fx as you would from an overdriving tube amp? I know that this could well be an extremely dumb question, but I can't remember the Pod I was using 8 years ago being capable of feedback, and I use feedback all the time in overdrive situations.

With enough volume coming from your speakers, yes. Physics, no matter amp, Axe-FX or otherwise. You need enough volume to excite the strings on the guitar to feedback.

[Jarrett]

Good for you, Jarrett! I remember speaking with you here & there about the Spider Valve amps here a year back. I, like you, was / am in cover band situations that required diverse, authentic sounds. Like you, I was looking for minimal equipment & hassle. My Spider Valve didn't last long. I literally never used it again after I bought my AXE-FX and got enough appropriate patches in it programmed for my gigs.

I promise that you won't regret this. I've got mine sounding as good as tube amps I've owned and played with in the past. Just give it enough time to really experiment with it. Read the manual, use the online WIKI, and experiment. Also, consider following all of the great advice for new users that you can find on the fractal AXE-FX forums. It's really not all that confusing to use & program. It's a ton of fun to program and also play through. Good luck with it!

I'm hoping that's the case. I don't really have any concern about me liking the Axe-FX at this point. I mean if I can gig with a Spider Valve for a year, then the Axe-FX will be a welcome addition. But lately I have been really digging gigging with a VHT SigX and no effects for a change. While this isn't as "pure" as running some old NMV tube amp, its defintiely giving me a liberating feeling after gigging Line6 products for the last year plus.

I'm hoping that once I put the time into programming the Axe-FX it will give me the best of both worlds. The liberating purity of running just a nice dry amp tone AND the saturated effects stuff as well without compromise in either department. If I can get that out of the Axe-FX, then will be justified in my mind and will be a keeper for me.

While I'm waiting for it to arrive I have been pouring through the various info on it. Reading all the interesting posts on it here and on the Axe-FX forum, reading the Wiki, etc. I also downloaded the editor and walked through the manual building patches with it in order to hopefully get me accustomed to the UI. That seems to have helped clear up some of the confusion I had about the whole row/column visual. Pretty cool way of doing it once I started to understand it a little more.

I've also been reading up on the Midimate controller and what all needs to be configured to get that to work with the Axe-FX. There is a nice tutorial video in the foot controller section of the Axe-FX forum for programming that. I'm a little worried about phantom power issues as there seems to be some cases where some solder work is involved with that pedal. I'm hoping I don't run into that during my 15-day trial.

My goal is to know enough about this thing and get some basic programming into it this week so I can take it on the gig with me this weekend. I need to see how it works live and if the non-tube power section will actually cut enough to make it useful, etc.

Are there some Axechange patches that would be good to pull down to start working from so that I can have some good tones going for the weekend? Or is a few days enough time to throw some patches together to get started? (I'm making the possibly faulty assumption that the default presets are useless like with every other modeler, but I guess I could be completely wrong about that)

[Tonekat]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (I probably missed it somewhere in the last 300+ pages lol)...can you get natural, musical feedback out of the Axe-Fx as you would from an overdriving tube amp? I know that this could well be an extremely dumb question, but I can't remember the Pod I was using 8 years ago being capable of feedback, and I use feedback all the time in overdrive situations.

Depending on the setting, I have been able to get satisfying feedback when using my ULTRA with my powered studio monitors at non-ear shattering volumes. This is a good thing, as Martha would say.

[buddaman71]

Just a quick question, as I am about to pull the trigger and upgrade (I know it's a HUGE upgrade!) from my Digitech GSP1101 (that I really get pretty darn good tones out of)

I love WDW and am wondering if one can route the dry input FX and preamps out to one amp then send only the wet stereo outputs to 2 separate cabs for a 3-cabinet WDW tone? Just wondering.

Thanks!

[cliffc8488]

I love WDW and am wondering if one can route the dry input FX and preamps out to one amp then send only the wet stereo outputs to 2 separate cabs for a 3-cabinet WDW tone? Just wondering.
Thanks!

Yes, there's two sets of outputs. Send the dry to Output2, send the wet to Output1. Since each output is stereo you could do wddw with a different amp for each dry.

[bluesdoc]

Jarrett, you shouldn't have to solder anything for phantom power to the Midimate - just use a 7 pin midi cable, in particular the one you can get with the MMate. The only consideration for reversing polarity is if you use a hex pedal (or eq) into the pedal jacks at the back of the Axe, the polarity needs to be reversed. Either change wires on the pedal pot or make a reverse polarity cable. But if you use that sort of pedal into the Midimate, normal polarity works, ie, no change necessary. OK?

jon

[AndrewSimon]

Just a teaser of the AXE-PC:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/images/axe-pc.jpg


http://www.fractalaudio.com/images/axe-pc.jpg

:dunno

[stratovarius]

What's this? A VST Plug-in? :eek:

[Scott Peterson]

What's this? A VST Plug-in? :eek:

Yes. It's coming. That's the first pic I've seen of it.

[Jarrett]

Jarrett, you shouldn't have to solder anything for phantom power to the Midimate - just use a 7 pin midi cable, in particular the one you can get with the MMate. The only consideration for reversing polarity is if you use a hex pedal (or eq) into the pedal jacks at the back of the Axe, the polarity needs to be reversed. Either change wires on the pedal pot or make a reverse polarity cable. But if you use that sort of pedal into the Midimate, normal polarity works, ie, no change necessary. OK?jon

Jon, I'm hoping that is correct in my case as well. This is what I am hoping I don't have to do:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3335&sid=3450fce25fcfa7fd3f91f5b27e8f3695

Well I got in everything but the Axe-FX today (which is due in tomorrow) and learned a couple of things:

1. John Alexander was right. The wall wart for the Midimate won't fit in the Furman due to the space issues. I lucked out and found that my Line6 power supply for the Pod X3Live has the same power ratings and will fit.

2. There is no need to order additional rack screws with the Gator 4 space rack bag, they come with them.

3. Running my guitar straight into the SLA-1 and into the VHT FB 2x12 cab in bridged mono 8ohm setting is not as loud or as good sound as running into my VHT SigX effects loop return into the FB 2x12 cab at 8ohms. Running into the power amp of the SigX sounds noticeably better. More low end, more highs, little more musical. The SLA-1 is quieter, less lows, less highs, sort of muffled over all and feels like a non tube amp. But the difference is not as great as I would have guess in either sound or feel.

I'm hoping that Axe-FX can work some magic and make some tubey tones come from that non tube SLA-1 amp tomorrow.

And that VST looks cool :)

[c-dub]

I am starting to GAS really hard for one of these -- curse you folks! Where is the best place to get one -- direct from Fractal?

Seem to be mixed opinions on the Reactor to go with it. I'm really just tired of lugging my tube amp and ext speaker everywhere and looking for an all-in-one solution that is relatively light and can be easily supported by the PA. The Axe-fx seems to be in a different class compared to the Line 6 and boss stuff, as I do love my glowing glass and analog effects. My experience with a G-system didnt go that well -- awesome machine, and maybe I was just being self-fulfilling in attitude, but I really thought it had a little digital harshness going into my tube amp that my board didnt have.

[Jarrett]

I just thought of a couple of questions for those who use the Axe-FX with a non tube amp:

1. Do you go 1/4" or XLR from the Axe-FX to the amp? Is one better than the other?

2. Where do you set the volume on your power amp?

3. When you need to make volume changes, do you control the over all volume with the Axe-FX or at the power amp?

[bluesdoc]

Jarrett, the output level of the AxeFx can be large. When I was running my GT8 to a tube power amp to cab, I had to put a boost (I used a Tonejam GE7) in between the processor and power amp to get enough volume, which I did. I haven't used the same config with the AF, but if all else fails, consider boosting the output with an external box. Bet you won't need it. But if you do, the GE7 is a good choice, esp the Tonejam improved version.

jon

[stratzrus]

I just thought of a couple of questions for those who use the Axe-FX with a non tube amp:

1. Do you go 1/4" or XLR from the Axe-FX to the amp? Is one better than the other?

2. Where do you set the volume on your power amp?

3. When you need to make volume changes, do you control the over all volume with the Axe-FX or at the power amp?I have a stereo solid state amp that I plan to use as part of my grab and go Axe FX rig.

1. I go 1/4" because I had some short ones lying around. I have no idea about the tonal difference.

2. I set the volume on my power amp by ear but start around 10:00...and I've never had it past 1:30 except during testing.

3. It depends. I use the volume on the amp if I want to vary the volume of a given speaker cab. If I just want more volume I use the Axe FX volume.

[Shark Diver]

Just a teaser of the AXE-PC:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/images/axe-pc.jpg


http://www.fractalaudio.com/images/axe-pc.jpg

:dunno

Now I want a one space Axe FX with the meters like that! Is this going to have it's own interface (like the WAVES/PRS deal), or outboard gear from another company?

[GreenTea]

Will this take the place of Lars' Editor?

[AndrewSimon]

Will this take the place of Lars' Editor?

No... but I hope this will change because it would be really nice to have a VST plug that can control the AXE-FX in a DAW environment.

:cry:

[Jarrett]

My Axe-FX is out for delivery. I've got the rack all setup and ready to go, just need to screw in the Axe-FX, connect it to the power amp and I should be off and running.

My plan is to run through the presets first. Then follow Scott's newbie guide:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=769

Any suggestions on amp models to focus on first?

After that I want to do some recordings of the Axe-FX by my usual crappy way (camcorder) and direct to computer as well. The only way I know to go direct to computer with the Axe-FX is via a Line6 Toneport, which just seems like blasphemy or something :) Is there some other way to connect the Axe-FX to a home computer with minimal hardware?

[morphine]

If the AxeFx has an SPDIF (digital) out *and* your PC also has an SPDIF in, then you can connect directly without any loss.

Other than that, you should stick with the Toneport as your interface.

[Dajbro]

After that I want to do some recordings of the Axe-FX by my usual crappy way (camcorder) and direct to computer as well. The only way I know to go direct to computer with the Axe-FX is via a Line6 Toneport, which just seems like blasphemy or something :) Is there some other way to connect the Axe-FX to a home computer with minimal hardware?

I record my Axe-FX Ultra straight into my computer through a Novation Nio 2/4. It's inexpensive and does the job. I had some latency issues in the beginning, but just need to adjust the latency settings in Ableton Live 7 to compensate. It's perfect now.

I've had it for a while, but just started messing around with it more in-depth recently (it's just so deep and I've had other things to focus on). It sounds good to my ears going direct to computer. Sits very nicely in a mix.

David

[voojo]

Can't you just plug the Axe into your Soundcards "Line In"...if you don't want to use the Toneport?

That's what I plan on doing initially, until I get a little more versed in recording. I have a 1/4" to 1/8" cable that should do the trick temporarily.

[Gasp100]

The toneport will sound a hell of a lot better than any built in sound card (even a Creative Sound Blaster) for your current usage. I think you can bypass the amps/FX of the toneport right so it doesn't effect tha AxeFX at all?
The converters/pre's (while not great) will be much better than anything built into the mother board in a PC.

[Gasp100]

Now I want a one space Axe FX with the meters like that! Is this going to have it's own interface (like the WAVES/PRS deal), or outboard gear from another company?

Hold on!!! Is this a VST/directx plug in they are working on to be sold apart from the hardware version? Or, is this the PC editor with a new UI? If it's the new editor than I have to rethink everything.
If it's a completely seperate product that uses the CPU of the computer (like Guitar Rig, etc...) I may STILL need to rethink everything...

[Jarrett]

The toneport will sound a hell of a lot better than any built in sound card (even a Creative Sound Blaster) for your current usage. I think you can bypass the amps/FX of the toneport right so it doesn't effect tha AxeFX at all?
The converters/pre's (while not great) will be much better than anything built into the mother board in a PC.

Will it? Well if that's the case then I'll use. It has XLR and 1/4" ins on it. No S/PDIF in though. Which is fine because I don't completely understand the whole S/PDIF recording thing anyway. Is that preferable to the traditional methods?

[Scott Peterson]

Hold on!!! Is this a VST/directx plug in they are working on to be sold apart from the hardware version? Or, is this the PC editor with a new UI? If it's the new editor than I have to rethink everything.
If it's a completely seperate product that uses the CPU of the computer (like Guitar Rig, etc...) I may STILL need to rethink everything...

It's a completely separate thing all on it's own. It's a VST plug-in, though I don't know any of the particulars. Go to the Fractal Forum and ask there.

[Jarrett]

GuitarTone, its all cool. I read everyone's posts. Thanks for the input.

Well just for fun, I ran my Pod Farm/TonePort UX2 into the ART SLA-1 and out to the VHT FatBottom 2x12 cab in mono/8ohm. That was so so. So I hooked the POD X3Live up to SLA-1/FB 2x12 and the results were a little better than I expected. I dialed up a Modded Marshall tone I have used with it in the past and it was decent. Seemed to sound better once I disabled the cab.

You can hear all the Line6 artifacts of course, but the volume was there and I could get some thump out of it and thats really what I was worried about. I wanted to make sure the SLA-1 had enough power for my needs. Seems like it does at this point. I A/B'ed it to the VHT SigX and volume wise it was comparable to the VHT on the lead channel with the volume around 10 o'clock on 40 watt setting when the SLA-1 was maxed out. That's plenty for me, but maybe not enough for others. I didn't check it with the clean tones, hoping it has enough headroom there as well.

Now if the dang OOPS guy would show, we could get this party started :)

[morphine]

Will it? Well if that's the case then I'll use. It has XLR and 1/4" ins on it. No S/PDIF in though. Which is fine because I don't completely understand the whole S/PDIF recording thing anyway. Is that preferable to the traditional methods?
XLR or 1/4" = analog signal, consisting of a waveform.

SDPIF = digital signal, consisting of ones and zeros. When available, it should be used because unless the cable is ruined somehow, this signal is immune to any interference/hum/cosmic rays/pizza whatever.

[voojo]

XLR or 1/4" = analog signal, consisting of a waveform.

SDPIF = digital signal, consisting of ones and zeros. When available, it should be used because unless the cable is ruined somehow, this signal is immune to any interference/hum/cosmic rays/pizza whatever.

:roll

Pizza free tone! Nice!!

:banana

[stratovarius]

XLR or 1/4" = analog signal, consisting of a waveform.

SDPIF = digital signal, consisting of ones and zeros. When available, it should be used because unless the cable is ruined somehow, this signal is immune to any interference/hum/cosmic rays/pizza whatever.

YMMV - mine certainly did. I got so much interference and noise using SPDIF that I finally gave up and went back to using the analog outputs.

[morphine]

YMMV - mine certainly did. I got so much interference and noise using SPDIF that I finally gave up and went back to using the analog outputs.
Then something was wrong either with your SPDIF input or the output of whatever you were recording from. By definition, it's digital, period. It only ever doesn't work that way if there's something wonky with the equipment/cabling :)

[Ed DeGenaro]

YMMV - mine certainly did. I got so much interference and noise using SPDIF that I finally gave up and went back to using the analog outputs.
Means your clock wasn't sync'ed...the sound card has to be set to external, and you need to be recording at 48k.

[stratovarius]

Means your clock wasn't sync'ed...the sound card has to be set to external, and you need to be recording at 48k.

I went through all that, but still had issues. Using the shortest possible cable (SPDIF, not generic RCA) and positioning it just-so seemed to help, but I couldn't eliminate the problem completely.

I just got a new MIDI keyboard and upgraded both Pro Tools and Reason, so maybe I'll try again once that is done. It seems like I'm always spending my weekends upgrading software and getting hardware to work instead of making music.

[Jarrett]

Well I got the Axe-FX...

First off as many have mentioned, Line6 is not in the same league with this thing. The depth of the flexibility of this unit that I just scratched the surface of in the last few hours is a little overwhelming, but definitely WAY deeper than any Line6 product I've ever messed with. Definitely an apples to oranges thing.

I'm going to throw out a PSA on something that I wish I would have known about going in. Definitely be careful when turning the power amp simulation off, whew. Specifically when rolling the Sag knob back to zero. Potential ear damage there.

Something I am having some trouble getting a handle on is the tone knobs for the various amps. As the manual mentioned, they don't react the way the originals did. It's taking me a while or trial and error to dial in tones. Is there a trick to this?

I'm finding that despite running a non tube power amp that I am favoring turning off the cab and power amp sims in all cases. Even with the Sag knob on the lowest setting, I feel a sense of disconnect with the sounds. Is that typical with a non tube power amp/guitar cab setup?

I worked for a while on trying to clone my SigX's Lead channel and clean channel just to get started and give me practice dialing in tones by ear. I think I got pretty close on the lead channel (which surprised me) but having trouble dialing in an organic clean a bit. I'm just running an amp block only in both cases. Are there other effect blocks I could add to assist with the clean?

One other thing is volume balancing. I'm trying to figure out where to set my Output 1 level, amp block level and power amp level to get a consistent volume across patches. Any suggestions there? Thanks.

[Scott Peterson]

First off, Jarrett - get thee to the Fractal Forum. That's where you'll get the information you need.

Well I got the Axe-FX...

First off as many have mentioned, Line6 is not in the same league with this thing. The depth of the flexibility of this unit that I just scratched the surface of in the last few hours is a little overwhelming, but definitely WAY deeper than any Line6 product I've ever messed with. Definitely an apples to oranges thing.

I'm going to throw out a PSA on something that I wish I would have known about going in. Definitely be careful when turning the power amp simulation off, whew. Specifically when rolling the Sag knob back to zero. Potential ear damage there.

Something I am having some trouble getting a handle on is the tone knobs for the various amps. As the manual mentioned, they don't react the way the originals did. It's taking me a while or trial and error to dial in tones. Is there a trick to this?
Check that the tone stacks are passive. Advanced parameters in the amp block.



I'm finding that despite running a non tube power amp that I am favoring turning off the cab and power amp sims in all cases. Even with the Sag knob on the lowest setting, I feel a sense of disconnect with the sounds. Is that typical with a non tube power amp/guitar cab setup? Impossible to say, I'm not using your setup. What you hear is as dependant on how you amplify this thing and configure it as much or more than the Axe-FX itself.

I worked for a while on trying to clone my SigX's Lead channel and clean channel just to get started and give me practice dialing in tones by ear. I think I got pretty close on the lead channel (which surprised me) but having trouble dialing in an organic clean a bit. I'm just running an amp block only in both cases. Are there other effect blocks I could add to assist with the clean?

One other thing is volume balancing. I'm trying to figure out where to set my Output 1 level, amp block level and power amp level to get a consistent volume across patches. Any suggestions there? Thanks.All trial and error, understanding what you have in front of you and how to utilize it and frankly the topics are too deep to even consider answering here. Get to the Fractal Forum and seek out all the answers you need.

Keep in mind that you are running a very specific gear setup and what you are hearing is NOT universal to all Axe-FX users (and vice versa). That's an assumption that many folks simply never consider.

[Scott Peterson]

Forgot to include a link in case you don't have one:

Fractal Forum:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/index.php

[gag halfrunt]

Jarrett,

I found that initially, I was better off limiting my variables on the Axe (by turning off the amp and cab sims), purely so I could focus on getting the basics down. Once I felt comfortable, I added the amp sims, and it was much intuitive working with the Axe's large palette of tones.

[papersoul]

Are there any Egnater converts here? I went from a Line 6 Vetta to the Egnater Mod 50 head with an Ear Candy Buzz Bomb cabinet. I love the rig but I do miss the total flexibility of the vetta. The tone of my Egnater is much better and playing live it was so obvious and recorded, the Egnater and any tube head I used sat better in the mix than the Vetta. That said, I have honestly considered giving up the Egnater for an Axe FX/VHT power amp. Having all those options plus an easy way to record would be nice.

One thing that drove me batty with thwe Vetta is I spent so much time tweaking that it took away from playing time and if you wanted to tweak on the fly at a gig, it was a pain to do to all patches.

I recently decided I want something at home for recording and that is when having a do it all rig of pro quality could be nice assuming the Fractal could give me the same richness and depth, feel of my Egnater.

-Rich

[stratzrus]

I'm finding that despite running a non tube power amp that I am favoring turning off the cab and power amp sims in all cases.
I found that initially, I was better off limiting my variables on the Axe (by turning off the amp and cab sims), purely so I could focus on getting the basics down. Once I felt comfortable, I added the amp sims, and it was much intuitive working with the Axe's large palette of tones.That's what I did as well.

I think it's easier getting started that way.

That said, I have honestly considered giving up the Egnater for an Axe FX/VHT power amp.I don't know if it's possible, but if you can, I'd get the Axe Fx before selling the Egnater just to make sure it's a good fit for you.

I'd be real hesitant to sell an amp I liked to buy an amp I'd never played through based purely on reviews.

[gag halfrunt]

...I don't know if it's possible, but if you can, I'd get the Axe Fx before selling the Egnater just to make sure it's a good fit for you.

I'd be real hesitant to sell an amp I liked to buy an amp I'd never played through based purely on reviews.
I totally agree on this. ESPECIALLY with an amp like the Mod 50, which is often difficult to find.

I am a huge Axe fan, but I'd still love to have a Mod 50/100.

[Jarrett]

Are there any Egnater converts here? That said, I have honestly considered giving up the Egnater for an Axe FX/VHT power amp. Having all those options plus an easy way to record would be nice.

I recently decided I want something at home for recording and that is when having a do it all rig of pro quality could be nice assuming the Fractal could give me the same richness and depth, feel of my Egnater.

I used to have an Egnater Mod50 and just got an Axe-FX about 24 hours ago. It's too soon for me to give any definite answers, but at this point I think the Axe-FX could replace tube amps for me. I still need quite a bit of time to determine that for sure though.

What modules are you running in your Mod50?

My setup was a VX and EG5 modules with SED Winged C 6L6s biased to about 35ma in the power section. With the Axe-FX in 24 hours, I've already dialed up a clean very similar to the VX Channel A and an OD very similar the EG5 Channel B.

[larbear63]

jarrett, i've watched your amp experiences on here for the past few years, i have to tell you, i've had similar experiences in the amp department.

if you give the axe/fx time, it will reward you in ways no other amp has ever come close to. i've had my ultra since 11/07 & i continue to learn new things & find new & interesting tones. & the semi-frequent upgrades totally have cured my GAS.

my best advice is the following; use the poweramp sims & explore the advanced parameters in the amp. keep the cabinet sim off. it's really only useful for direct/frfr/recording.

checkout all of the user presets on the axechange. i have found great starting points & many useful tones.

also, for clean tones it's great to explore some of the effects heavy presets. i've found that if you bypass the effects, or edit for your own use, the amp model, tweak is outstanding.

[cliffc8488]

Yes, keep the power amp sims on if you're using a SS power amp. Adjust the Master to get the desired amount of power amp coloring. Without the power amp sims into a SS amp it's going to be sterile sounding just as if you put a tube preamp into a SS power amp. The power amp sims are where all the dynamics come from.

[papersoul]

I used to have an Egnater Mod50 and just got an Axe-FX about 24 hours ago. It's too soon for me to give any definite answers, but at this point I think the Axe-FX could replace tube amps for me. I still need quite a bit of time to determine that for sure though.

What modules are you running in your Mod50?

My setup was a VX and EG5 modules with SED Winged C 6L6s biased to about 35ma in the power section. With the Axe-FX in 24 hours, I've already dialed up a clean very similar to the VX Channel A and an OD very similar the EG5 Channel B.

Hi Jarrett,

Great sounds is one thing but it must have the same girth, richness and feel, push of tubes to get the total experience. Then again, running it into
something like a VHT 50/50 power amp would probably kill. I do recall when I used a Pod XT Live into a Mesa 50/50 tube power amp, it was pretty nice! However, my Egnater easily beat it out....but still I could have lived with that set up at the time. I know the Eggie easily beat out my Line 6 Vetta. I remember when I first soloes with the MHG moduled and was in awe. I have sine sold that module and have switched to the SL2 for those tones. I never liked the EG5 so I had it replaced with the Erect which I like much more, also have the Bassman, And EG3/4. I tend to favor EL34 tubes, SED and Tung Sols but I also have used my Tung Sol 5881s.

[Jarrett]

Adjust the Master to get the desired amount of power amp coloring.

I guess I don't understand how the MV works in the Axe-FX. Is that not the overall volume of the amp block? Does reducing the MV alter the power amp sims? The problem I'm having is when turn the Sag knob to anything but 0.0, I immediately get this disconnected feeling from the amp. Can lowering the MV and boosting the level another way offset this?

[Anthony Gring]

it into a powerful , high headroom stereo tube power amp like my VHT 2/90/2 keep the power amp sims on? I've tried leaving them off but mostly prefer them on. I'm running the Axe into a 2 X 12 w/ EV12L's. Some patches I like with NO cab sims, others sound good to me with cab sims.
Thanks for taking the time to comment Cliff. Really appreciate all you do for us.

[cliffc8488]

Can lowering the MV and boosting the level another way offset this?

Yes. The MV is the same as an MV on a real amp. It controls the signal level into the power amp. Turn it down and turn the level up to reduce the amount of power amp coloring.

You should bring this over to the Fractal forum, more appropriate and you'll get faster answers.

[Jarrett]

For some reason this didn't sink in the first time I read it:

MSTR VOL - This, the Master Volume, is a very important control. It determines the drive to the power amp simulator. A higher setting increases the distortion contributed by the power amp simulator. As the Master is turned up the entire character of the amp will change, just like the real thing. The tone controls will have less influence on the sound, and the sound will “bloom” more and be more touch sensitive.

By carefully balancing Drive and Master Volume you can achieve the tone you desire. Experiment with the two to achieve your ultimate tone. Sometimes the tone you desire may be mostly preamp based and as such turn the Drive up and the Master down. Other times the tone may be mostly from the power amp so crank the Master up and back off the Drive. Amps with negative feedback (damping greater than zero) tend to have a crunchier power amp distortion and this can even get raspy if driven too hard. This is due to the negative feedback attempting to linearize the power amp. The resulting transfer function is harsher at clipping than an amp with little or no feedback. You can experiment with the damping control and master volume to achieve the desired power amp distortion timbre.

If the Master Volume is set very high best results are usually achieved by reducing the drive control. Try setting the Master around 9 or so and then slowly bringing the drive up until the desired tone is achieved. At high Master settings less drive is usually required, especially for high-gain types.

Amp types that are designed for preamp distortion typically sound better with lower values of this control and too high of a value can make the tone muddy or excessively noisy. This includes the USA Lead types, SOLO 100 and others. Lower gain amps such as Plexi, Brownface, and others can benefit from higher settings as this can reduce the harshness of the amp.

If the power amp simulation is off (Sag at zero) this control then becomes a simple level control. This control has 40 dB of range. A setting of ‘5’ is therefore 20 dB less than maximum.

[Jarrett]

Yes. The MV is the same as an MV on a real amp. It controls the signal level into the power amp. Turn it down and turn the level up to reduce the amount of power amp coloring.

You should bring this over to the Fractal forum, more appropriate and you'll get faster answers.

Thanks for taking the time to help me out, Cliff.

I did start a thread over there but not getting ton of input so far.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3416

[Jerrod]

The sag control is critical (IMO) to get the right level of attack... and you can completely change an amp sim's character just with that.

[Jarrett]

Ok, been playing with the Damp, Sag, Master Volume, and Level controls to bring some organic feel back into the sounds. That really opened up some doors of understanding for me. Thanks for that.

This thing is really impressing me. I'm dialing in tones that I had not thought were possible with it. And what really fires me up is I know that I am just scratching the surface :)

Reading the other threads where people don't like the Axe-FX, I completely get it. It's really freakin complicated compared to say a single channel NMV amp. If I had not owned a rack in 90's, spent time programming GT-8's and various PODs and read the Axe-FX wiki and manual plus getting great input here, I think I would be hard pressed to get good tones out of this thing. And even so I've spent hours now dialing this thing in, most people probably have zero interest in that. Being a bit of a tech nerd at heard, I enjoy it.

Another thing about the Axe-FX that I'm starting to realize, you really have to know what you want. With amps, you just get what its got. And that's probably very comforting for some. With this thing, you have to know what you want and then figure out how to get it. I could see how that could be very uncomfortable for some people that might try it.

At any rate, really digging this thing. Thanks to everyone that has helped me along the way to getting to this point.

[morphine]

With this thing, you have to know what you want and then figure out how to get it.
I will repeat what I've said before, in other words: if one was handed the keys to a studio with a metric ton of amps, a crapload of cabinets, and cabinets full of rack units, it would be just as complicated or worse.

My point being that multi-effects units are not complicated at all (save those where the interface is unintuitive), most people simply haven't really tried to make an analogy with the real world. Like you said, we turn on the amp and what it has is what you have.

[SouthernShred]

Jarrett, after knowing your hesitancy to jump in the AxeFX waters, I must say, welcome :)

[Scott Peterson]

I will repeat what I've said before, in other words: if one was handed the keys to a studio with a metric ton of amps, a crapload of cabinets, and cabinets full of rack units, it would be just as complicated or worse.

My point being that multi-effects units are not complicated at all (save those where the interface is unintuitive), most people simply haven't really tried to make an analogy with the real world. Like you said, we turn on the amp and what it has is what you have.

Indeed. And to go a step further; in the Axe-FX you have to build and configure each and every component in your signal chain from scratch. So to use your metaphor, all those units in that studio need to be built and configured yet too. Off the shelf presets are fine; but everyone's rig and needs and taste is so different. To do all this takes some understanding and knowledge coming in. All the resources of the web and user base and manual notwithstanding; you gotta know what you want and how to get there in order to make it work.

It is not a plug-n-play unit. With all the different ways guys set up their rigs, that should not be a surprise. But so often, it seems that it is to some folks.

[Jarrett]

Here's some clips guys. I'm hesitant to even post them with all the madness going on around the Axe-FX today, but my MO is to record a couple of clips of any new "amp" I get so that I can have a rough idea of its tones under the worse conditions ie. me playing and a camcorder recording it :)

So here they are:

Clean Noodling (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean1.mp3)
Little Wing w/guitar volume rolled back (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean2.mp3)
Little Wing w/full guitar volume (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean3.mp3)
Bogner-ish OD (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD2.mp3)
SigX Lead Channel Patch (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD1.mp3)
SigX Lead Channel Patch/Drop D (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD3.mp3)
Bognerish patch/Drop D (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD4.mp3) (some controlled feedback at the end)

These are all "in the room" which is what I was trying to accomplish initially with the Axe-FX. I figured if I could dial in patches that I was happy with in the room, then I could always go FRFR/Direct to FOH/IEM etc. if I needed to later.

Gear is:
Tom Anderson Cobra (single coil neck on cleans, bridge humbucker on OD stuff)
Axe-FX Standard
ART SLA-1 (non tube power amp bridged at 8ohms/260 watts)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (with VHT/Emmience PE-50 speakers)

The Patches are derived from the "Top Boost" and "Euro 2" amp models. No cab sims are in use. No effects on the OD stuff, and just a little slapback delay on the cleans.

I'd love to hear some opinions on the tones if you don't mind sharing. Especially potential tips for improving with the Axe-FX. Thanks.

[Stratosphere]

All I can say is I got my Axe-FX about 6 months ago, and I haven't been back here to Amps and Cabs hardly at all in at least half that time. I don't spend any time checking out amplifiers at the guitar store anymore.

I'm done. No more amp gas. I've got everything I need in the Axe, except for a second QSC so that I can run stereo. I've got a little under 2 dozen amp presets I mess with and that's way more than necessary. I still have a few amps sitting around for a reality check, but I rarely bother firing them up right now. I still might run a couple along with the Axe sometime just to fill out the sound for special occasions, but none of that is necessary. Just a little rock and roll excess. Mostly I have them around so that friends can come down and plug in.

The only thing the Axe doesn't do well (yet) are fuzzes. I only need a couple of those anyway so until then I'll run those boxes.

I guess it's time to spend more time lusting after guitars.

C'ya!

[voojo]

Here's some clips guys. I'm hesitant to even post them with all the madness going on around the Axe-FX today, but my MO is to record a couple of clips of any new "amp" I get so that I can have a rough idea of its tones under the worse conditions ie. me playing and a camcorder recording it :)

So here they are:

Clean Noodling (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean1.mp3)
Little Wing w/guitar volume rolled back (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean2.mp3)
Little Wing w/full guitar volume (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean3.mp3)
Bogner-ish OD (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD2.mp3)
SigX Lead Channel Patch (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD1.mp3)
SigX Lead Channel Patch/Drop D (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD3.mp3)
Bognerish patch/Drop D (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-OD4.mp3) (some controlled feedback at the end)

These are all "in the room" which is what I was trying to accomplish initially with the Axe-FX. I figured if I could dial in patches that I was happy with in the room, then I could always go FRFR/Direct to FOH/IEM etc. if I needed to later.

Gear is:
Tom Anderson Cobra (single coil neck on cleans, bridge humbucker on OD stuff)
Axe-FX Standard
ART SLA-1 (non tube power amp bridged at 8ohms/260 watts)
VHT FatBottom 2x12 (with VHT/Emmience PE-50 speakers)

The Patches are derived from the "Top Boost" and "Euro 2" amp models. No cab sims are in use. No effects on the OD stuff, and just a little slapback delay on the cleans.

I'd love to hear some opinions on the tones if you don't mind sharing. Especially potential tips for improving with the Axe-FX. Thanks.

Jarrett, I thought those clips sounded fantastic! I especially love the Voxy type tones! I can't believe you recorded those with a camcorder.

I've got an Axe FX coming next week, and I am going to use a similar setup for the time being, a QSC GX3 power amp into a variety of guitar cabs that I have lying around. mostly a Boogafunk Theile 1x12 with the hideously heavy (and great sounding!) EVM12L.

Thanks for sharing the clips, look forward to hearing some more. To think you've just got yours, think of what you will be able to dial up after a few months!

-Seth

[Moat]

I especially love the Voxy type tones!

+1

I'd maybe dial in a little less bass, and possibly up the mids/low-mids a tad, but - those Vox clips are the nicest AxeFx representation of steel-on-wood, sparke-lish, edge-of-breakup tones I've heard yet. Being it's thru a SS power amp and traditional cab makes it even more intriguing, as I'd likely go a similar route, too. Thanks for posting that!

[Matt Jones]

Here's some clips guys. I'm hesitant to even post them with all the madness going on around the Axe-FX today, but my MO is to record a couple of clips of any new "amp" I get so that I can have a rough idea of its tones under the worse conditions ie. me playing and a camcorder recording it :)

I'd love to hear some opinions on the tones if you don't mind sharing. Especially potential tips for improving with the Axe-FX. Thanks.

Nice job Jarrett. You're getting some great sounds after only a couple days. Have you tried adding any cab sims? I'm not at all suggesting your sounds need them....I have ended up using them on my SS setup.

matt

[jesussaddle]

Hi. I'm mostly an experimentalist when it comes to music. I have spectrasonics Omnisphere, and am seriously considering Axe FX, liking everything from Hendrix to Page, Santana, Dimeola, Holdsworth, and Morse, to Rory Gallagher and Danny Gatton (rest his soul). Plus I even like Early Van Halen, Metallica and Judus Priest. I once had a Boogie Simul-Class, but I regularly need to sell all my gear for $ :)

I have had bad experiences with modellers ultimately. The response was missing, and that was the whole joy of playing an electric.

While I realize that Axe Fx cannot fully duplicate all of the experiences had by an Adrian Belew (I think that's the name of the creature..I have seen one live once, with Crimson.) It does seem to offer a little of the response of real tubes, plus tremendous variety, plus actually pro level effects. Okay, so what choice is left for me?

I must decide to buy the Standard Axe FX or the Ultra. At this point one of the main factors influencing this choice will be... What experiences have other gear pagers had using the Ultra's looper feature? Anyone?

http://www.ucmg.net/wellness/holistic_articles/staying_healthy/music-and-medicine.htm

[9-Pin]

I have the Standard and it has more capabilities than I will probably ever use, but if you are interested in some of the more extreme effects or the additional CPU power, the Ultra will be for you. Also, if you are a person who HAS to have the top of the line, you may want to save a little extra and get the Ultra too.

[Shawn S.]

The nail in the coffin as for as decided on going for it has been this:

I've always wanted to not have to mess with tons of physical limitations to recording, playing, etc. Since all is digital it's there if you need it, not if you don't. No buffers, no line runs, and amazing front-end reaction to the guitar that seems to do better than even my modest boutique setup.

Of all the "groups" of people out there. Those with the Axe FX are recording the most, posting the most and getting themselves out there the most. Even if they are bedroom players! Listen to the amount of clips for Standard and Ultra users. It's really amazing. There's so many out there, that all sound so good, and all are postable on Myspace, own site, etc.

That's something I've found about the Axe that goes over and above. No need to find a right time to record that cranked amp, spending what seems like hours finding a good mic spot, setting EQ, etc. It all seems like with the Axe it's more streamlined, and that process from creation to duplication gets 100x easier. I kinda would just get it for that, I think.

[YellowDog]

Okay, Ultra being delivered today. Can't wait...ironically enough, when the delivery guy shows up here, I'm gonna be in the middle of recording with a slew of amps, pedals, etc, etc...cuz the rest of the band insist that "...it's gotta be done now, we can't be waiting around for you to get used to more new gear...", etc.

A question about power amps. I intend, at least at first, to use this with a power amp and a 2x12 cab running in stereo. The choice seems to be between the MesaBoogie 20/20 and the VHT 2/50/2. Obviously, the Mesa has a size and weight advantage, and, as I set up with the top of the cab pretty close behind me at sort of upper-back-level, it will be plenty loud enough. Also, in my experience, Mesa products are super-reliable (VERY important - I'm in a working band, I don't want to haul a back-up to every gig, and I'm miles from any service centres or techs that I'd trust to put batteries in a flashlight). But, I've heard many good things about the VHT with respect to its sonic quality (very dynamic), and widely differing (though generally good) reports about its reliability. Do either of these amps have USEFUL features that the other doesn't? I think you can run the VHT with EL34s one side and 6L6s the other...but I don't want to be switching power amps around with different patches, and anyway I want to run in true stereo all the time (although running a slightly different sound to each side of the FOH will dramatically increase the "size" of the sound, so differing output tubes could be useful there).

My only experience of a MesaBoogie EL84 power section has been with my Maverick combo...that didn't really have solid-enough bass for Duane Eddy-type stuff, and its overdrive was a little "soft"...but this could well have more to do with the Class A nature of the Maverick, and its particular output transformer, voicing, cab, etc, than its choice of power tubes. The 50w-a-side rating of the VHT does seem like overkill...but then the "Dyna-Watt" circuitry of the Mesa is supposed to give the impression of its being much louder than 20w-a-side would suggest.

This rig is gonna be used for a very wide range of sounds, from rockabilly and country to quite a lot of rock, although (perhaps due to my British nationality!) I'm talking more AC/DC, Ram Jam, Slash, etc, i.e. Marshall-tyoe tones. The crushing Recto-type bass & scooped mids is not my thing.

I really have no idea which of these would be more suitable, and I have no chance of trying either before I buy; it's gonna be a totally blind (deaf?) purchase. Anybody out there have experience of both?

[stratzrus]

My only experience of a MesaBoogie EL84 power section has been with my Maverick combo...that didn't really have solid-enough bass for Duane Eddy-type stuff
At concert volume the VHT would have the edge in this regard, but clearly the Mesa would be much more portable.

Which is your priority?

[Joseph Hanna]

I might suggest taking a week or two and getting a grasp of the Axe itself before you start ordering power amps. There are SO many solutions that a fundamental understand of the unit might change your game plan.

The Axe's power-amp section (at least for me) is crazy powerful and can emulate some very cool and key sonic elements of a tube amp's power section. The idea from there is a SS poweramp light enough and loud enough to gig with as it's sole job is to reproduce my sounds not color them.

YMMV

[Jarrett]

I was just coming to post some findings and this was the most recent post, nice coincidence. My Axe-FX setup has an ART SLA-1 non tube power amp going into a VHT 2x12 cab.

I have been playing my Axe-FX exclusively for a few days and tweaking tones to my liking. Just now I thought I would pull out my VHT SigX and play it into the same cab for a while just for a tube amp frame reference check. And something strange happened, I immediately wanted to plug back into the non tube powered Axe-FX rig.

I definitely prefered the cleans I had dialed in with the Axe-FX rig, hands down. I flipped over to the OD side of the amp to find where I had it dialed was not to my liking either. I tweaked a little and got a really nice tone going. Then immediately switched back over to the Axe-FX rig and dialed it in at about 95%, which is more than close enough for me.

I've been playing with modelers for almost a decade now starting with the first Line6 AX212. I've pretty much bought every revision of the latest Line6 product and then sold it off eventually. I've had a few of the Boss pedals and worked extensively with their COSM stuff. Even tried the Vox modeling products a bit as well. But everytime I thought I had one of those dialed in right, I would plug into a good tube amp and be disappointed. For the first time in a decade, that didn't happen today. I prefered the Axe-FX to a very nice tube amp.

I'm still just scratching the surface of this thing, but it appears at this point it has already done what I've been waiting for almost decade. The realization of the digital technology reaching tube tone. I get it now. This thing is the real deal.

Of course, the standard disclaimers apply: YMMV

[Jarrett]

Cliff, here is an idea for you fo free :) You know how the new iPhone has that app that can hear a song and then tell you who its by and what the lyrics are?

You should develop an app for the Axe-FX that can hear a guitar tone from a clip and break it down and reproduce it on the Axe-FX.

I know its probably too far fetched, but think of how many people searching for the "perfect" clone of their heroes tone that you would sell this thing to. They wouldn't have to know how to dial the tone in, or even what amp the original was using. Just feed the clip into the Axe-FX Willy Wonka machine and out pops the perfect preset on the other side :)

[morphine]

You're joking, right? That's as much impossible as it gets. Maybe in a hundred years :D

[stratzrus]

...everytime I thought I had [a modeler] dialed in right, I would plug into a good tube amp and be disappointed. For the first time in a decade, that didn't happen today. I prefered the Axe-FX to a very nice tube amp.Quite a revelation; if you can, please share some of your settings with us.

I love my Axe FX but haven't gotten to the point where I could say that I prefer its tones to the Sig:X (althought obviously you can get a bunch of tones the Sig can't)...I'd really like to hear some of the presets you've worked out.

[Jarrett]

Quite a revelation; if you can, please share some of your settings with us.

I love my Axe FX but haven't gotten to the point where I could say that I prefer its tones to the Sig:X (althought obviously you can get a bunch of tones the Sig can't)...I'd really like to hear some of the presets you've worked out.

The stuff I've done is just really, really basic based on the Top Boost and Euro2 amp models. The Vox voiced cleans are really more my style so that was the easy part for me. I was able to dial in a little more compression and sweet top end than the SigX offers. Also being able to put in the right amount of reverb and delay when desired helps round it out the way I like.

The SigX Lead Channel is much harder to emulate and so far I haven't hit it dead on, but close enough for my purposes. The power section of the SigX has a much more punchy low end and that is a the hardest part to dial it seems. Also the SigX lead preamp has that tight presence thing going for it that is hard to hit, but otherwise I've gotten pretty close on the Axe-FX.

That was pretty much the test for me. If I could get the Axe-FX to sound nearly as good as the SigX in the room, I would be sold. I think I got it to sound as good and a little better in the cleans. So its a win for me.

When I get some time, I will dig out each setting the on Axe-FX. I wish I had MIDI working, then I could just post the preset I guess.

[stratzrus]

The stuff I've done is just really, really basic based on the Top Boost and Euro2 amp models. The Vox voiced cleans are really more my style so that was the easy part for me. I was able to dial in a little more compression and sweet top end than the SigX offers. Also being able to put in the right amount of reverb and delay when desired helps round it out the way I like.

The SigX Lead Channel is much harder to emulate and so far I haven't hit it dead on, but close enough for my purposes. The power section of the SigX has a much more punchy low end and that is a the hardest part to dial it seems. Also the SigX lead preamp has that tight presence thing going for it that is hard to hit, but otherwise I've gotten pretty close on the Axe-FX.
Interesting.

It made me think about how many different clean tones there are. I've never really been a Vox AC30 cleans guy, I'm much more into Blackface Fenders. The Sig has been described as Hiwatt-like, and that may explain why you prefer the Axe's cleans using a Top Boost model.

Regarding the delays, I've been using a Nova Delay and between its mix knob and the mix knob on the Sig I've been able to get the right mix of delay, but I don't like my Nova Reverb as much.

I think your analysis is spot on and look forward to getting familiar enough with the Axe FX that I can instinctively dial it in the way I want. Unfortunately, it sounds so good that when I turn it on I spend much more time playing through it than setting it up. ;)

I hope Cliff does a model of each Sig:X channel (preferably with the toggle switches included)...now that would be something!

[Jerrod]

FWIW, setting up the AxeFX Editor with a MIDI box is super-easy, and makes doing quick patch development very straightforward.

[Jarrett]

I bought the Midisport UNO since my local Radio Shack had one in stock, but it doesn't appear to be working. Going to send it back and get another MIDI interface of some sort.

Any reliable recommendations?

[bluesdoc]

I bought the Midisport UNO since my local Radio Shack had one in stock, but it doesn't appear to be working. Going to send it back and get another MIDI interface of some sort.

Any reliable recommendations?

Midisport 2X2 anniversary. Also, you have to make sure your OS software is current. I can't remember if it's java or the OS itself, but it had to have something very current or the midisport software would not work. It was actually pretty tedious getting it right. You also can't have any other midisport software/firmware versions loaded, but I think the installation program does delete others.

jon

[Anthony Gring]

One of my biggest apprehensions about the getting the Axe-Fx was dealing with firmware upgrades and interfacing with the Editor. It has been widely suggested that the Midi Sport 2 X 2 works well for the above applications. I had absolutely no prior experience with Midi, Midi interfaces, etc. I bought a Midi Sport 2 X 2 and, along with the fantastic , clear tutorials in the Axe-Fx Wiki, have been able to do seamless, problem free, firmware upgrades as well as Axechange user patch down loads. It's a great unit. Totally pleased with it. Getcha one....

[Scott Peterson]

Midisport 2X2.

Works, always has; can't go wrong with it.

[voojo]

Midisport 2X2.

Works, always has; can't go wrong with it.

Scott, question for you. I just got my Axe last night and after some initial teething pains I am starting to get some great tones.

I remember in a thread (that I can't find) you posted some tips on getting a great Voxy tone. I think I remember you saying there are three basic parameters to getting that jangly bright tone. Would you care to share them again?

I can understand how this wouldn't be for everyone, but man if you take the time to see the potential, it's almost limitless for the tones I want to achive. That's after about six hours of playing with it!

-Seth

[gag halfrunt]

Midisport 2X2.

Works, always has; can't go wrong with it.
+1. Never had a problem with my Midisport 2x2 and the Axe.

[gooma]

Scott, question for you. I just got my Axe last night and after some initial teething pains I am starting to get some great tones.

I remember in a thread (that I can't find) you posted some tips on getting a great Voxy tone. I think I remember you saying there are three basic parameters to getting that jangly bright tone. Would you care to share them again?

I can understand how this wouldn't be for everyone, but man if you take the time to see the potential, it's almost limitless for the tones I want to achive. That's after about six hours of playing with it!

-Seth

Seth,

I find with the Vox amp models the master needs to be set quite high, allmost at 10 for me to get tones i`m happy with.

Give that a go and tweak from there.

cheers
Brad

[gooma]

I bought the Midisport UNO since my local Radio Shack had one in stock, but it doesn't appear to be working. Going to send it back and get another MIDI interface of some sort.

Any reliable recommendations?

The Edirol UM-1 works great with both my Mac and PC.

I had the same issues as yourself with the UNO.

[Scott Peterson]

Scott, question for you. I just got my Axe last night and after some initial teething pains I am starting to get some great tones.

I remember in a thread (that I can't find) you posted some tips on getting a great Voxy tone. I think I remember you saying there are three basic parameters to getting that jangly bright tone. Would you care to share them again?

I can understand how this wouldn't be for everyone, but man if you take the time to see the potential, it's almost limitless for the tones I want to achive. That's after about six hours of playing with it!

-Seth

I don't have any secrets to getting a good Vox sound out of the Fractal. Master high, no dampening and on the advanced tab, play with the low cut to keep it from getting flabby.

[voojo]

Seth,

I find with the Vox amp models the master needs to be set quite high, allmost at 10 for me to get tones i`m happy with.

Give that a go and tweak from there.

cheers
Brad

I don't have any secrets to getting a good Vox sound out of the Fractal. Master high, no dampening and on the advanced tab, play with the low cut to keep it from getting flabby.

Thanks guys, the low cut was the one I was thinking about. Now I have to think about the Axe and what I want to do with it while I'm at work. Not fair! (Oh yeah, that's how I paid for it! Back to work!)

[Jerrod]

The Edirol UM-1 works great with both my Mac and PC.

I had the same issues as yourself with the UNO.

The Edirol is the one I use also. No problems. For Vox sounds, push the treble and presence up.

[Jarrett]

Do y'all all use the Editor? I've got the UNO working with MIDI-OX, but it won't work with the Editor.

[solo-act]

Do y'all all use the Editor? I've got the UNO working with MIDI-OX, but it won't work with the Editor. I'd recommend tossing the uno for a better midi interface. You won't regret it.

[c-dub]

Well, I took my first step in going ampless last night -- got a used Rocktron All Access on ebay. Now I just need an Axe-fx. Other than that, this is my list of what I need:

(1) Expression pedal (Any suggestions?)
(2) Midi interface (2x2 anniversary, right?)
(3) QSC HPR122i
(4) Rack
(5) Cables (what do I need here? five pin Midi cables for the Rocktron? Do I use an XLR out from the Axe into the QSC? Or do I need other cables? What cables for the midi interface with my computer?)

ANything else I need?

Sorry for the noob questions. Any help to make it easy would be appreciated, although I certainly understand if someone tells me do do my own damn research.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I took my first step in going ampless last night -- got a used Rocktron All Access on ebay. Now I just need an Axe-fx. Other than that, this is my list of what I need:

(1) Expression pedal (Any suggestions?)
(2) Midi interface (2x2 anniversary, right?)
(3) QSC HPR122i
(4) Rack
(5) Cables (what do I need here? five pin Midi cables for the Rocktron? Do I use an XLR out from the Axe into the QSC? Or do I need other cables? What cables for the midi interface with my computer?)

ANything else I need?

Sorry for the noob questions. Any help to make it easy would be appreciated, although I certainly understand if someone tells me do do my own damn research.

7-pin midi will provide phantom power to the Rocktron. You'll need a 5-pin cable for the 2x2, though.

[Joseph Hanna]

Well, I took my first step in going ampless last night -- got a used Rocktron All Access on ebay. Now I just need an Axe-fx. Other than that, this is my list of what I need:

(1) Expression pedal (Any suggestions?)
(2) Midi interface (2x2 anniversary, right?)
(3) QSC HPR122i
(4) Rack
(5) Cables (what do I need here? five pin Midi cables for the Rocktron? Do I use an XLR out from the Axe into the QSC? Or do I need other cables? What cables for the midi interface with my computer?)

ANything else I need?

Sorry for the noob questions. Any help to make it easy would be appreciated, although I certainly understand if someone tells me do do my own damn research.

FWIW I might suggest getting the Axe first and put a couple of weeks (maybe a month....or more if time allows) into learning the box before investing too much in anything but the basics.

There are so many solutions to running the Axe that it takes time to understand and decide on what works best for you.

[Scott Peterson]

Good advice above.

One key I try to make folks looking at this understand is that there is no 'best' way to use the Axe-FX. It can fit in any number of different roles and excel; it is really just up to the guitarist/artist to understand what he's trying to make it do.

It's simpler to set it up as just a monster preamp into an amp/cab; but that also limits your possibilities at the same time. There are trade-offs for everything.

If you want to run wide open as a FRFR, you need to really understand a lot of things to be able to craft your entire signal chain. It's not like a POD where you plug in, adjust a few knobs and/or settings and 'there you are'. The POD is like snorkeling in a swimming pool, the Axe-FX is like going deep-sea diving in the Ocean. Both will get you wet, but only one will have you swimming with the Dolphins. :D

[c-dub]

Thanks for the input guys. I'm completely sick of lugging everything around and as the guitarist in a 3piece I have a lot of ground to cover. I've been impressed by the clips and endorsements by many, like Scott and Ed. I just think its really unlikely I'm not going to love it, even if ti is only 90% of my tubes. And I like tweaking, although I dont have a ton of time for it. Good thing I can download user patches of people far more talented than me.

I should also point out that having a 2 year old, but also a set of e drums, the axe would allow for quiet practicing at my house even with the kid asleep downstairs. Into a mixer and splitter on headphones for all three of us (bass in a DI). That is a big factor as well.

So really, Scott, I think I'm just going to totally copy you to make things easy -- 1 cab, 1 guitar (and a bass), small rack, rocktron, expression pedal. ;)

'Course, I also run the Vocalist Live 4, and a Roland synth.



Good advice above.

One key I try to make folks looking at this understand is that there is no 'best' way to use the Axe-FX. It can fit in any number of different roles and excel; it is really just up to the guitarist/artist to understand what he's trying to make it do.

It's simpler to set it up as just a monster preamp into an amp/cab; but that also limits your possibilities at the same time. There are trade-offs for everything.

If you want to run wide open as a FRFR, you need to really understand a lot of things to be able to craft your entire signal chain. It's not like a POD where you plug in, adjust a few knobs and/or settings and 'there you are'. The POD is like snorkeling in a swimming pool, the Axe-FX is like going deep-sea diving in the Ocean. Both will get you wet, but only one will have you swimming with the Dolphins. :D

[Shark Diver]

User patches can be a double edge sword. I have found that most don't work very well for me. Mostly because of the gear differences that me and the patch writer might have, ie, guitar. They really do make a major difference. But FRFR stuff as well. I can hear great tones recorded, take the patch and not get the same results. So, be careful. Usually though if I liked the recording it isn't to much to tweak to get it to my liking through my gear.

As well, it might keep you from fully learning the Axe and what YOU dig in it. Just start out as simple as possible - amp sim/cab sim. Find a few you feel are there and build off of those. Once you learn to tweak your favs to your liking it's easier to try new, unfamiliar amp sims. IMO

I just bought a Soldano SLO100 last night and it just kills. I still can't get what this does from the AXE. But I like the Axe, and it is versatile enough, that I will integrate the two. The SLO is a rack head, so really not extra stage space or hauling. Just rack on a rack already there.

I here ya, more than half my shows I'm in a 3 piece with two girls. I haul, set-up everything. The reason I first got the Axe. Ironically, when I do other gigs they are bigger shows, with male band members, but the venues have their own sound. So, I don't haul half as much. :rolleyes:

You'll love it though. Good luck.

[ned911]

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Tracking shows mine arrived in Austin last night, now I have to wait until Monday to play - OH The Humanity.

[Ed DeGenaro]

I've been trying to see what the camcorder can do, so I took it to rehearsal with the Country band last night. I think it sounds cool for room sound only. Disregard the clams this was us adding a new tune. Anyways I think it gives a good representation what my current se up sounds like.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

[Jarrett]

That's cool. Thanks for posting it, Ed. I knew most people don't like camcorder recordings, but I am a fan of them. Helps me get a handle on what something sounds like in the room. I'm putting my Axe-FX to the test tomorrow in a live context. If it doesn't getting eaten alive in the mix, its a keeper.

[Anthony Gring]

how it goes. Have fun, and give a full report! Thanks Jarret...

[Scott Peterson]

I've been trying to see what the camcorder can do, so I took it to rehearsal with the Country band last night. I think it sounds cool for room sound only. Disregard the clams this was us adding a new tune. Anyways I think it gives a good representation what my current se up sounds like.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

Tasty Ed.

(**Note: Drop the "m." from the link to view on YouTube)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

[Noah]

I've been trying to see what the camcorder can do, so I took it to rehearsal with the Country band last night. I think it sounds cool for room sound only. Disregard the clams this was us adding a new tune. Anyways I think it gives a good representation what my current se up sounds like.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

Sounds very very cool. I love that song by the way! - Pat Green-Let me.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Sounds very very cool. I love that song by the way! - Pat Green-Let me.
How do you go wrong with Dann Huff.

[Scott Peterson]

How about an update?

Damn. ;)

6.10

Added Dry Delay parameter to Flanger block. This allows Through-Zero Flanging (TZF). By experimenting with combinations of Time and Dry Delay you can achieve wild TZF effects. Also added capability to phase invert either or both wet signals. In conjunction with the Dry Delay this can further accentuate TZF effects.


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6.09

NOTE: IF UPGRADING FROM 6.07 OR EARLIER THE NEW INPUT VOLUME CONTROL WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE RESET AFTER INSTALLATION OF THE FIRMWARE. SET TO “NONE” TO DEFEAT THIS FEATURE. YOU MAY NEED TO POWER CYCLE THE UNIT AFTER RESETTING THIS PARAMETER.

Fixed bug where removing route caused instability.

Fixed global amps not recalled correctly.

Set default delay ducking amount to 0.0 dB.


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6.08

NOTE: THE NEW INPUT VOLUME CONTROL WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE RESET AFTER INSTALLATION OF THE FIRMWARE. SET TO “NONE” TO DEFEAT THIS FEATURE. YOU MAY NEED TO POWER CYCLE THE UNIT AFTER RESETTING THIS PARAMETER.

The Enhancer, Filter and Volume blocks now have Pan Left and Pan Right controls. The controls allow panning the left or right output signal in the stereo field. Theses blocks can now be used as generic stereo manipulation blocks. You can use these controls to adjust the stereo image, pan both signals to one side or turn a stereo output into two mono outputs.

To eliminate confusion many controls previously labeled “PAN” are now labeled “BAL” (balance) as this is more representative of the control’s function. Balance adjusts the relative level of the left and right signals. Pan, on the other hand, adjusts the position of a single signal in the stereo field.

Added features to Enhancer block. You can now invert either or both channels and control the panning of each channel.

Changed Master Pitch range to –100 to +100 percent. Any presets using Master Pitch other than 100% will need to be auditioned/edited.

Added Input Volume control. You can now adjust the input volume (using a pedal input or MIDI CC). Some people prefer adjusting the volume at the input as this mimics a volume pedal before an amp and allows effect tails to ring out. NOTE: Be sure to check the setting of this on the I/O->CTRL page!!! The value after installation of the firmware will likely be PEDAL 2 and if PEDAL 2 is set to latching will result in no sound from the unit. Set to NONE to defeat. You may need to power cycle the unit after resetting this.

Added modifier capability to Amp block Drive control. NOTE: This places a heavy burden on the CPU. If you attach a modifier to the Drive control your CPU usage may increase several percent. The Boost function has been moved to below the Type knob.

Added modifier capability to Amp block Master control.

Exposed amp modeling power supply filter capacitance. This parameter, under the advanced page and labeled “B+ CAPACITANCE”, allows you to adjust the B+ capacitance of the amp model. Defaults to preset value on type change. Increasing value stiffens response and tightens bass. Decreasing value loosens response. Use in conjunction with Sag control to set response.

Added Bright Cap parameter to Amp block. You can now adjust the value of the “Bright Cap” across the virtual Drive pot. Defaults to a preset value on type change. Naturally, the Bright Switch (under the Treble control) must be on to hear the effect.

Added Deep parameter to Amp block. This replaces the previous Deep switch and allows the actual amount to be varied. This is analagous to the Deep control on some modern guitar amps. The Deep control is on Page2 of the Amp menu. Its value defaults to a default value upon type change. The old Depth control has been moved to the Advanced page and relabeled TRNSFRMR MATCH (Transformer Matching) as this is more descriptive of its function.

Tweaked “Jr. Blues” model. Adjusted speaker resonant frequency and preamp-to-poweramp coupling capacitor. Fixed wrong value for bass pot. Changed mid pot taper to agree with newer “cream” models.

Added “Eggie R20” model.

Added Low Cut, Hi Cut, Clip Type and Bias parameters to Drive block. These parameters default to values when the Drive type is selected but may be overridden.

Tweaked the default high cut frequency on some of the Reverb types.

Improved pitch detection algorithm. False locks have been eliminated. Tracks better on complex chords. Tuner can detect lower notes.

Removed Delay Ducker on/off switch as this was redundant. To defeat ducker simply set Ducker Attenuation to 0 dB.

Added Filter Slope selection to Delay block. Filter slope can be selected as 6, 12 or 18 dB/octave.

Tap Tempo now intelligently detects momentary or latching tap.

Fixed a couple knobs responding to Enter that shouldn’t.

Tweaked MIDI code some to improve editor interaction. Will require new editor version for best benefit.


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6.07

Reduced pops when changing between presets, especially when “Top Boost” and certain other models were involved.

[thirsty one]

Tasty Ed.

(**Note: Drop the "m." from the link to view on YouTube)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en


Was this an Axe-FX? That sounded great. I have only read ten or so pages from both threads. I am looking forward to reading it all. I may have to put a couple items on the bay to get this baby.

Thank you Scott and Ed for your contributions and candor.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Was this an Axe-FX? That sounded great. I have only read ten or so pages from both threads. I am looking forward to reading it all. I may have to put a couple items on the bay to get this baby.

Thank you Scott and Ed for your contributions and candor.
Yup, Axe Fx into a VHT 2/50/2, or I should say Fryette 2/59/2 power amp into a THD 2x112 sith Celestion G12-65.

[stratzrus]

Yup, Axe Fx into a VHT 2/50/2, or I should say Fryette 2/59/2 power amp into a THD 2x112 sith Celestion G12-65.I think it's still okay to say "VHT 2/50/2"...the new VHT doesn't make a 2/50/2, so any VHT 2/50/2 is a Fryette VHT.

No?

[bmi]

I've been trying to see what the camcorder can do, so I took it to rehearsal with the Country band last night. I think it sounds cool for room sound only. Disregard the clams this was us adding a new tune. Anyways I think it gives a good representation what my current se up sounds like.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGpbCPF7jg&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en
Good music.

[hp/mp]

I posted this over at the Fractal Audio forums, but figure I'll repost here :o

Is it remotely possible for the Axe-Fx to emulate the heavy sludge/doom tones from orange/green/electric amps?
A couple examples

bongzilla - greenthumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVFQK-CEAM

hank III jamming w/ green:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeoj8HGatYk

[Gasp100]

Giving it another shot... mine should be here by Tuesday or Wednesday. The guy said he had it for 6 months and never upgraded the firmware. He didn't really "mess around with midi"...
:knitting
It's definitely not for everyone - but I'm looking forward to AxeFX part deux.
:AOK

[Jarrett]

I had my first gig with the Axe-FX rig today and I'm not kidding when I say in the two years I've played with this band, I've never had as many compliments on my tone as I had today. Almost every member of the band came up after the set and wanted to know what that thing was. To be fair, I think they were more impressed with my quality of my effected tones than the straight up tone of my clean or OD patches, but they were impressed nonetheless.

I don't mean this to come off as bragging on me as I'm a very mediocre player and I really think it had more to do with the Axe-FX, but the other guitar player came up to me after the set and said something to the effect of "You're like a chameleon. Every song you have a different tone and tasteful lick that compliments the music without intruding on it" I was really taken aback by all the comments and compliments as we have been playing together for a while now and you know, you kind of quit saying those types of things to each other after a while just out of familiarity. I attributed them to the Axe-FX and the confidence it gave me while playing.

As far as my thoughts on the gig, I was pretty danged impressed. Not only have I never had a non-tube rig cut and sit so well in the mix before, I can only think of two other times that I've enjoyed my tone as much. Once was after I spent a month tweaking and dialing in the Egnater Mod50, and the other was when I got my SigX dialed in just right after a couple of gigs. Those were the only two times I can remember having a base tone that I enjoyed more than today on my first gig with the Axe-FX.

On the other hand, I've never felt like I had a better control over my overall tone/effects/sound as I did today. Even with those better base tone amps I mentioned, I would struggle when effects came into the mix. Getting the levels right or getting the right amount of effect mixed in with the base tone, I just always felt like there was a compromise. Not so today, I had every preset and effect dialed in with just the right amounts and it felt really good to have that live and added confidence to my playing.

I'm sitting here trying to think back to the various rigs I've used on this gig over the last two years and the ones I can remember are:

Tone King Meteor II w/ Boss ME-50
Tone King Meteor II w/ Boss GT-8
Aiken Sabre w/ Boss GT-8 (4 cable method)
Egnater Mod50 w/ Boss GT-8 (4 cable method)
Line6 Spider Valve 212 & FBV Shortboard
Line6 POD X3Live into SS bass amp
Egnater Rebel20 & matching 1x12 cab
VHT SigX & FatBottom 2x12 cab w/ Line6 POD X3Live (in front & in loop)

None those setups gave me the overall control feeling of my sound/tone/effects that I got today on just my first gig with the Axe-FX. And I'm just scratching the surface on this thing. I can't wait to see what time will bring with it.

Also, setup/breakdown was a snap. Just my rack bag, gig bag and 2x12 on casters to bring in. I just rolled it up there, unzipped the bags, plugged in a couple of cables and ready to go. Same thing tearing down. Couple of cables back in the bags and done. Rolled it off on top of the 2x12 cab.

Things I need to fix:

I need a different MIDI cable. This Rocktron cable I have has a 90 degree angle on one end and it won't fit into my Axe-FX since its on the bottom of my rack, and it came unplugged from the Midimate twice on the gig today. I need a 7-ping cable that is straight on both ends.

I need to keep working on my levels between patches. I had them pretty close today, but still need a little tweaking to get my volume levels right between my clean, OD and ambient effects patches.

I need to work a little more on my OD tone to make it cut a hair better. The voicing of the SigX Lead channel (and the Egnater EG5 module) really cut/sit well in a live mix. I need to work more on getting a similar tone from the Axe-FX.

Overall, I walked away really impressed with the rig today. Since I'm a one amp guy, this means I've got to sell the SigX which I hate to do as I really like the sound of that amp, but it just can't approach the versatility of the Axe-FX which I enjoy having on my gig. I can't wait to see what more time with the Axe-FX will bring.

[voojo]

I posted this over at the Fractal Audio forums, but figure I'll repost here :o

Is it remotely possible for the Axe-Fx to emulate the heavy sludge/doom tones from orange/green/electric amps?
A couple examples

bongzilla - greenthumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVFQK-CEAM

hank III jamming w/ green:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeoj8HGatYk

I've had my Axe for five days, and I definitely think those types of tones are possible. I haven't tried to replicate those exactly, but for fun the other day I used the harmonizer (I would recommend the Ultra if you can spring the extra coin) and detuned down an octave. It sounded heavy! I think if you used a lower gain amp with a fuzz drive block you could get those type of tones, heck maybe I'll try it tonight or tomorrow.

This thing is so wild I can't even begin to explain it. For my purposes I couldn't be happier, but I can see why some people just want to plug and play! The Axe FX is a monster! I can't wait until my Electrovoice P.A. speaker comes this Tuesday!!!

[Scott Peterson]

Jarrett,

Nice review. Eerily similar to what I experienced (now 60+ times since) and reported.

Enjoy the journey; it gives up more the deeper you dig.

[voojo]

I posted this over at the Fractal Audio forums, but figure I'll repost here :o

Is it remotely possible for the Axe-Fx to emulate the heavy sludge/doom tones from orange/green/electric amps?
A couple examples

bongzilla - greenthumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVFQK-CEAM

hank III jamming w/ green:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeoj8HGatYk

Ok, here is a quick (horribly played) sample. The tone isn't that close to the videos, but it gives you an idea. I spent about two minutes whipping up this patch. I used the Pitch shifter in the Axe to make it sound detuned, along with a hard fuzz through the Hipower (Hiwatt) amp. Just some pentatonic wanking. This is recorded direct, and the guitar is in standard tuning. I imagine you could get much heavier with a detuned guitar.

Keep in mind this isn't my style of music either, I am sure others could get much closer. This is my first axe recording! I've never recorded a thing in my life! What a tool (the Axe and me!) Ok enough jabber, here is the link"

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7276006

[mwc2112]

I need to keep working on my levels between patches. I had them pretty close today, but still need a little tweaking to get my volume levels right between my clean, OD and ambient effects patches.

That's the main thing I need to work on, too. Also I have to tweak gain levels. It's easier on an amp where you can quickly do it and it's fairly global. I set up my patches using a powered speaker at home and they sound great but when I run it through the PA at church it sounds like I've got too much distortion. But other then that it's such a fantastic tool.

[stevorc321]

I had my first gig with the Axe-FX rig today and I'm not kidding when I say in the two years I've played with this band, I've never had as many compliments on my tone as I had today. Almost every member of the band came up after the set and wanted to know what that thing was. To be fair, I think they were more impressed with my quality of my effected tones than the straight up tone of my clean or OD patches, but they were impressed nonetheless.

I don't mean this to come off as bragging on me as I'm a very mediocre player and I really think it had more to do with the Axe-FX, but the other guitar player came up to me after the set and said something to the effect of "You're like a chameleon. Every song you have a different tone and tasteful lick that compliments the music without intruding on it" I was really taken aback by all the comments and compliments as we have been playing together for a while now and you know, you kind of quit saying those types of things to each other after a while just out of familiarity. I attributed them to the Axe-FX and the confidence it gave me while playing.

As far as my thoughts on the gig, I was pretty danged impressed. Not only have I never had a non-tube rig cut and sit so well in the mix before, I can only think of two other times that I've enjoyed my tone as much. Once was after I spent a month tweaking and dialing in the Egnater Mod50, and the other was when I got my SigX dialed in just right after a couple of gigs. Those were the only two times I can remember having a base tone that I enjoyed more than today on my first gig with the Axe-FX.

On the other hand, I've never felt like I had a better control over my overall tone/effects/sound as I did today. Even with those better base tone amps I mentioned, I would struggle when effects came into the mix. Getting the levels right or getting the right amount of effect mixed in with the base tone, I just always felt like there was a compromise. Not so today, I had every preset and effect dialed in with just the right amounts and it felt really good to have that live and added confidence to my playing.

I'm sitting here trying to think back to the various rigs I've used on this gig over the last two years and the ones I can remember are:

Tone King Meteor II w/ Boss ME-50
Tone King Meteor II w/ Boss GT-8
Aiken Sabre w/ Boss GT-8 (4 cable method)
Egnater Mod50 w/ Boss GT-8 (4 cable method)
Line6 Spider Valve 212 & FBV Shortboard
Line6 POD X3Live into SS bass amp
Egnater Rebel20 & matching 1x12 cab
VHT SigX & FatBottom 2x12 cab w/ Line6 POD X3Live (in front & in loop)

None those setups gave me the overall control feeling of my sound/tone/effects that I got today on just my first gig with the Axe-FX. And I'm just scratching the surface on this thing. I can't wait to see what time will bring with it.

Also, setup/breakdown was a snap. Just my rack bag, gig bag and 2x12 on casters to bring in. I just rolled it up there, unzipped the bags, plugged in a couple of cables and ready to go. Same thing tearing down. Couple of cables back in the bags and done. Rolled it off on top of the 2x12 cab.

Things I need to fix:

I need a different MIDI cable. This Rocktron cable I have has a 90 degree angle on one end and it won't fit into my Axe-FX since its on the bottom of my rack, and it came unplugged from the Midimate twice on the gig today. I need a 7-ping cable that is straight on both ends.

I need to keep working on my levels between patches. I had them pretty close today, but still need a little tweaking to get my volume levels right between my clean, OD and ambient effects patches.

I need to work a little more on my OD tone to make it cut a hair better. The voicing of the SigX Lead channel (and the Egnater EG5 module) really cut/sit well in a live mix. I need to work more on getting a similar tone from the Axe-FX.

Overall, I walked away really impressed with the rig today. Since I'm a one amp guy, this means I've got to sell the SigX which I hate to do as I really like the sound of that amp, but it just can't approach the versatility of the Axe-FX which I enjoy having on my gig. I can't wait to see what more time with the Axe-FX will bring.

Cool stuff Jarrett

That was with your ART SLA-2 right? I have one coming soon - can't wait:AOK.

Did you also go FOH? If so did you mic a cab or go direct?

[Jarrett]

That was with your ART SLA-2 right?
Did you also go FOH? If so did you mic a cab or go direct?

I have the ART SLA-1 amp. I just mic'ed the cab today. My setup is Axe-FX -> SLA-1 -> VHT FB 2x12 cab. My goal is to get it sounding as good as a "guitar amp" as I can. Once I get complete confidence in it in that way, I might start looking into FOH/FRFR solutions like the new Fractal/Atomic cab.

One other thing I forgot to mention is how different this is than Line6 non-tube stuff in a live mix. I've used various Line6 products live over the years like the AX212, Flextone III, POD into SS power amps, etc. and in every cirumstance they couldn't cut in a live mix. It would also sound ok at home, but completely lost in the mix. The Axe-FX into the non-tube (I don't know if its digital/SS or what?) ART SLA-1 power amp did not have the same issue that has plagued all the non-tube Line6 products I've tried in the past. The Axe-FX pretty much sat in the mix just like a tube amp, even better than some tube amps I've used in this same environment in the past.

I wanted to throw that out there because I know when I was researching the Axe-FX I always wondered if it would just get lost in the mix like all the Line6 stuff does. For me, the Axe-FX did not. It hung right in there and that was a final test for it for me. It's a keeper.

[coxswain]

Hello Axe Lovers,

I'm getting very closing to purchasing the Axe. Important Question...

I cannot use my legs at all to switch sounds (neurological birth defect/partial paralysis), so the various floor midi switchers are a no go for me.

Are there any solutions such as mini- handheld midi switchersthat I could actually attach to my guitar to switch sounds with my fingers? Which solutions would jive best with the AXE. Much appreciation!

Best,
Chase

[coxswain]

THis axe could finally be the answer to my switching problems!

[Scott Peterson]

Hello Axe Lovers,

I'm getting very closing to purchasing the Axe. Important Question...

I cannot use my legs at all to switch sounds (neurological birth defect/partial paralysis), so the various floor midi switchers are a no go for me.

Are there any solutions such as mini- handheld midi switchersthat I could actually attach to my guitar to switch sounds with my fingers? Which solutions would jive best with the AXE. Much appreciation!

Best,
Chase

Chase,

If such a midi switcher exists, it'd work with the Axe-FX. I don't know of one; but there are some VERY intelligent folks out there.

[stevorc321]

I
One other thing I forgot to mention is how different this is than Line6 non-tube stuff in a live mix. I've used various Line6 products live over the years like the AX212, Flextone III, POD into SS power amps, etc. and in every cirumstance they couldn't cut in a live mix. It would also sound ok at home, but completely lost in the mix. The Axe-FX into the non-tube (I don't know if its digital/SS or what?) ART SLA-1 power amp did not have the same issue that has plagued all the non-tube Line6 products I've tried in the past. The Axe-FX pretty much sat in the mix just like a tube amp, even better than some tube amps I've used in this same environment in the past.

Thanks Jarrett

I know exactly what you mean. My other modelling experience has been with the Yamaha DG series. I have the 100 watt, 2x12 - sounds really good by its self and within a sparse, medium vol mix. Different story with a loud drummer though. When I run the Axe through it's power amp, there is tone, volume and cut to spare. Fantastic!!

[coxswain]

Chase,

If such a midi switcher exists, it'd work with the Axe-FX. I don't know of one; but there are some VERY intelligent folks out there.

It seems like i've seen finger controlled midi switchers that are made for keys players? Am I wrong?

[thirsty one]

Will it do good Vox tones?
Clean Vox?
Pushed Clean/Hot Clean Vox?
Mild Break up Vox?
Full tilt OD Vox?

Is it worth selling my Fuchs ODS (modded Traynor)?

Will it get me to Dumble land?

Boogie Mark IIC+?

[jzgtrguy]

Will it do good Vox tones?
Clean Vox?
Pushed Clean/Hot Clean Vox?
Mild Break up Vox?
Full tilt OD Vox?

Is it worth selling my Fuchs ODS (modded Traynor)?

Will it get me to Dumble land?

Boogie Mark IIC+?

Personally I think it will do all of the above. If I were you I'd find one around your home town somewhere and play it. That is the real test. If you don't like it that's cool move on to something you do like

Will it replace your Fuchs/Traynor?

I don't think the AXE-FX was ever intended to replace anything. That is a fallacy. It is just another tool to use and a damn good one. I've had an ultra FRFR rig since March 08 and I love the thing.

[Shark Diver]

Hello Axe Lovers,

I'm getting very closing to purchasing the Axe. Important Question...

I cannot use my legs at all to switch sounds (neurological birth defect/partial paralysis), so the various floor midi switchers are a no go for me.

Are there any solutions such as mini- handheld midi switchersthat I could actually attach to my guitar to switch sounds with my fingers? Which solutions would jive best with the AXE. Much appreciation!

Best,
Chase

I don't use a pedal at all. Not sure what your set up is, but a sequencer changes my patches. That is an option. Also, a breadth controller may or may not be an option, again depending on how you set it up, or what you need to do with it. I'm sure there are some kind of triggers out there as well that you could mod to your guitar to send program change commands. I know I was able to switch patches on a Roland VG-88 with the GK pup that hookup onto the guitar. Even if you didn't use the pick up, this would send midi info. There is a slight chance I have one. PM me and I'll see if I can get one to you.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll216/sharkdiver1/Roland.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll216/sharkdiver1/roland1.jpg

Hope that helps.

[Joseph Hanna]

Will it do good Vox tones?
Clean Vox?
Pushed Clean/Hot Clean Vox?
Mild Break up Vox?
Full tilt OD Vox?

Is it worth selling my Fuchs ODS (modded Traynor)?

Will it get me to Dumble land?

Boogie Mark IIC+?

As I've mention in this and many other Axe threads I use my Top Boost patches 90% of the night with my Axe.

I first had to learn and understand what is was I was liking about my AC30. From there I took some months to learn the advanced amp parameters on my Axe and how they interacted to create the touch sound and feel of my AC30. I do have a Avatar 2x12 Blue cabinet that helps.

Now I have a Clean Vox preset, Pushed Clean/Hot Clean Vox preset, Mild Break up Vox preset and aFull tilt OD Vox preset. I have these presets working at half the volume needed for the real AC. I've also increased the damp factor of the presets so the amp feels a touch stiffer than my very saggy AC30.

Can't help you with the Dumble or Boogie as they just not on my radar as sounds I want

[morphine]

Regarding hand switching: anything that can send MIDI data will work. These MIDI pads seem to be what the poster wants:

http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Akai_Akai_MPD16_Usb_Midi_Pad_Control_Surface

[Jarrett]

Will it do good Vox tones?
Clean Vox?
Pushed Clean/Hot Clean Vox?
Mild Break up Vox?

Here are some clips of my Vox patch:

Clean Noodling (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean1.mp3)
Little Wing w/guitar volume rolled back (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean2.mp3)
Little Wing w/full guitar volume (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean3.mp3)

Bear in mind this was recorded with a camcorder and only about 48 hours worth of Axe-FX tweaking knowledge. I am sure there are better examples out there.

[Shawn S.]

Here are some clips of my Vox patch:

Clean Noodling (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean1.mp3)
Little Wing w/guitar volume rolled back (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean2.mp3)
Little Wing w/full guitar volume (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/AxeFx-VoxClean3.mp3)

Bear in mind this was recorded with a camcorder and only about 48 hours worth of Axe-FX tweaking knowledge. I am sure there are better examples out there.


Congrats, Jarrett, you sold me.

[rick13]

Maybe this thread should be moved to the pedal and effects section.................just kidding.
Rick

[buddaman71]

Great clips Jarret. I am sold on the Axe!!

PS: Anyone want to trade me their AXE FX for my Trans Green 1996 Tom Anderson Hollow Classic?

[Freedom]

Two days ago i spent 2-3 hours listening and playing an Axe Fx standard that a friend of mine just bought...Axe Fx through a mesa boogie power amp through a 4x12 PV cab...i play only tube amps the last 17 years but i am still shocked with what i've heard...and i mean SHOCKED...the sound was there, the feeling was there, the dynamics were there, the punch were there...unbelievable!!!

:AOK

[Jarrett]

Congrats, Jarrett, you sold me.

Great clips Jarret. I am sold on the Axe!!

Awesome, glad I could help.

PS: Anyone want to trade me their AXE FX for my Trans Green 1996 Tom Anderson Hollow Classic?

I don't want to trade my Axe-FX, but I've been thinking about buying a TA Classic for a while. Could I see a pic of it?

[Shawn S.]

I should be ordering a Standard and QSCHPR122i soon, been lurking and learning about it for a while now. I'll keep it short here, as I don't see much action in the future. I'll transition to the AxeFX forum more than likely.

[voojo]

I should be ordering a Standard and QSCHPR122i soon, been lurking and learning about it for a while now. I'll keep it short here, as I don't see much action in the future. I'll transition to the AxeFX forum more than likely.

I don't think you will be disappointed! I've spent less than a week with it and I can't believe the cool things you can do with it! FWIW I tried both through a FRFR system (like the QSC) and through a few different guitar speaker cabinets. For what I want to do, the FRFR is the way I prefer it! I love the ability to switch around cabinets & mics.

[Shawn S.]

For what I want to do, the FRFR is the way I prefer it! I love the ability to switch around cabinets & mics.

Yeah, that's the hope going into it. Glad to hear that. This thing on paper looks amazing. I can't wait to get my hands on it.

[stratzrus]

Is it worth selling my Fuchs ODS (modded Traynor)?
Only you can answer that, but I'd recommend spending some time with an Axe FX before selling your Fuchs if you are really happy with it.

If you're not and plan to sell it anyway, using the funds to get an Axe FX could prove to be well worth it.

[Jarrett]

stratz, I didnt want to answer is that other thread, but yes the SigX is a goner. Need another one? :)

[Ed DeGenaro]

One thing that keeps coming up...
I don't get the "room sound" vs. miked sound freak outs...
Here's my current live rig and super low volume, hell you can hear the strings rattle, with just the room miked, nothing on the cone...

So, some one riddle me how the Axe is giving some folks such a headache, easiest, consistent, repeatable set-up evaaaaaaaaar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHypbax0Bk&fmt=22

[Shawn S.]

One thing that keeps coming up...
I don't get the "room sound" vs. miked sound freak outs...
Here's my current live rig and super low volume, hell you can hear the strings rattle, with just the room miked, nothing on the cone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHypbax0Bk

So, some one riddle me how the Axe is giving some folks such a headache, easiest, consistent, repeatable set-up evaaaaaaaaar.

If some people have to complain; they'll complain. Even with complete nonsense.

[Scott Peterson]

Ed,

IMHO (detailed more at the Axe-FX forum) all the cry and hue is simply resistance to change. The Axe-FX is a change from what 'modeling' was thought to be, it's a change from what the very conservative electric guitarist crowd deems 'acceptable' gear because it doesn't fit the established parameters that have been the norm for decades.

I dig your clip; and folks getting all up in arms about someone else's gear is beyond me. But mention Axe-FX and it'll happen.

[Ed DeGenaro]

You know I can hang with any kinda difference in opinions...but I really don't get the "it doesn't sound like an amp in the room" It does for what I need, and it does so at any volume.
In the last rehearsal with the Country band the bass player was gushing how much he liked that set-up, and how much he preferred it to my oher set-ups. Which is not something I agree on but...you know the wine and cheese approach to gear isn't my hang.

[Vintage]

I think your all cylon trying to take of the universe with your AXE-FX.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/images/home/final/banner_bestof.jpg

[Joseph Hanna]

You know I can hang with any kinda difference in opinions...but I really don't get the "it doesn't sound like an amp in the room" It does for what I need, and it does so at any volume.

"It does so at any volume" is a beautiful, beautiful phrase. I can't remember the last time a sound person barked at me and my rig gets to the "it feels right" stage so much quicker/quieter than my AC30..just some of the things I've stopped sweating over at a job.

I also think this demo puts into perspective how the Axe can be used as a more traditional rig. I have mixed emotions on which way works best live. I'm tempted to stay with my cabinet and run a separate cab to the mains. But then again some of the Axe cabs sound so good and it's a shame to miss out on them "on stage"

Great guitar sound Ed. What preset are you using!?

[Larrym]

Try it! Just plain try it!

:-)

Larry

[Jarrett]

You know I can hang with any kinda difference in opinions...but I really don't get the "it doesn't sound like an amp in the room" It does for what I need, and it does so at any volume.

That's one of the reasons I held off for so long. I want the "in the room" sound and many of the Axe-FX proponents say its not there. I'm really new to the Axe-FX, but I disagree. It can be dialed for very good in the room tones, imo. Ed's clip drives that home with a sledgehammer.

Ed, I really dig the amp tone in the beginning of that clip. Would you mind talking about how you approach it or sharing the patch? I'm working on getting a really tight, articulate OD like that ala the SigX.

[Shawn S.]

That's one of the reasons I held off for so long. I want the "in the room" sound and many of the Axe-FX proponents say its not there. I'm really new to the Axe-FX, but I disagree. It can be dialed for very good in the room tones, imo. Ed's clip drives that home with a sledgehammer.

Ed, I really dig the amp tone in the beginning of that clip. Would you mind talking about how you approach it or sharing the patch? I'm working on getting a really tight, articulate OD like that ala the SigX.

Not knowing much technically, if anyone had a problem with "in the room"-ness I would think a traditional guitar cab would correct it. Recorded clips of in the room of Axe + cab have proved to be phenomenal.

[Jay Mitchell]

That's one of the reasons I held off for so long. I want the "in the room" sound and many of the Axe-FX proponents say its not there. I'm really new to the Axe-FX, but I disagree.Me, too. I've never had the slightest difficulty getting the effect of an "amp in the room" with my Axe-Fx. And I have tube amps on hand for direct A/B comparison.

[stratzrus]

stratz, I didnt want to answer is that other thread, but yes the SigX is a goner. Need another one? :)PM sent.

[Ed DeGenaro]

That's one of the reasons I held off for so long. I want the "in the room" sound and many of the Axe-FX proponents say its not there. I'm really new to the Axe-FX, but I disagree. It can be dialed for very good in the room tones, imo. Ed's clip drives that home with a sledgehammer.

Ed, I really dig the amp tone in the beginning of that clip. Would you mind talking about how you approach it or sharing the patch? I'm working on getting a really tight, articulate OD like that ala the SigX.
This is all the same patch just with varying levels of the guitar volume. The patch is on the axechange.
Should be this one...
http://axechange.net/preset.aspx?preset_id=314

[Mr. Brady]

You know I can hang with any kinda difference in opinions...but I really don't get the "it doesn't sound like an amp in the room" It does for what I need, and it does so at any volume.
In the last rehearsal with the Country band the bass player was gushing how much he liked that set-up, and how much he preferred it to my oher set-ups. Which is not something I agree on but...you know the wine and cheese approach to gear isn't my hang.

You use a tube power amp and guitar cab I think in that setup it sounds like a good tube amp in the room.

FRFR isn't quite as good. A lot of guys want this to be the a one piece deal. It's not going to replace an amp for that in room tone in that configuration in my opinion.

[Ed DeGenaro]

"It does so at any volume" is a beautiful, beautiful phrase. I can't remember the last time a sound person barked at me and my rig gets to the "it feels right" stage so much quicker/quieter than my AC30..just some of the things I've stopped sweating over at a job.

I also think this demo puts into perspective how the Axe can be used as a more traditional rig. I have mixed emotions on which way works best live. I'm tempted to stay with my cabinet and run a separate cab to the mains. But then again some of the Axe cabs sound so good and it's a shame to miss out on them "on stage"

Great guitar sound Ed. What preset are you using!?
I use the pwoer amp/guitar cab miked with the DI out live and mix it all together.

[Ed DeGenaro]

You use a tube power amp and guitar cab I think in that setup it sounds like a good tube amp in the room.

FRFR isn't quite as good. A lot of guys want this to be the a one piece deal. It's not going to replace an amp for that in room tone in that configuration in my opinion.
I usually use both together.

[Mr. Brady]

I usually use both together.

You yourself said you didn't like it as much straight to FOH. That's all I'm saying. I think it's a great piece of gear. It wasn't exactly what I was looking for in a one piece FOH modeler. Just being clear.

[Ed DeGenaro]

You yourself said you didn't like it as much straight to FOH. That's all I'm saying. I think it's a great piece of gear. It wasn't exactly what I was looking for in a one piece FOH modeler. Just being clear.
But that has little to do with sound, but with feel.
All the tracks on my new CD I used the Axe for are all DI.

[Scott Peterson]

John's at it again.

DIG!

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=7280055&q=hi

[Ed DeGenaro]

That's one of the reasons I held off for so long. I want the "in the room" sound and many of the Axe-FX proponents say its not there. I'm really new to the Axe-FX, but I disagree. It can be dialed for very good in the room tones, imo. Ed's clip drives that home with a sledgehammer.

Ed, I really dig the amp tone in the beginning of that clip. Would you mind talking about how you approach it or sharing the patch? I'm working on getting a really tight, articulate OD like that ala the SigX.
I was wrong, the patch wasn't up on the Axechange, but it's now...

http://axechange.net/preset.aspx?preset_id=694

Keep in mind that all the bypass of the fx is cc on my board so you will have to reassign those. As well as having a loop for the power amp/cab before the cab sim block.

[Shark Diver]

You use a tube power amp and guitar cab I think in that setup it sounds like a good tube amp in the room.

FRFR isn't quite as good. A lot of guys want this to be the a one piece deal. It's not going to replace an amp for that in room tone in that configuration in my opinion.

I have done a hybrid of both. I am running the axe amp sims into the return of a Soldano SLO 100 (rack) into a Palmer -03 thru the fx loop, instead of the cab sims, and then to FRFR. I think it has kept the best of both worlds for me. I just don't like the cab sims enough to use them. They are not bad, but just not there for me yet. And I didn't want to go back to a regular cab and the limitations. Anyway, it works very well for me and the beauty is I can bypass the fx loop and turn the global cab sims on and have that if I wanted. Or run through on the Palmer and have a regular cab for a great dry signal and use the Axe's FX for a stereo wet signal very easily into powered wedges. Just set the mix to 100%. I could do any of this with in minutes with a few cords, no real re-racking or re-wiring the rig. That is the beauty of the Axe.

I might try a X99 to replace the amp sims, but if I don't like it more I won't use it. I didn't like my Triaxis or CAE se3 and 3+ more. The amp sims are great.

Thanks, for he patch Ed!

[xrist04]

It seems like i've seen finger controlled midi switchers that are made for keys players? Am I wrong?

For tabletop/desktop MIDI control, you might check out products like these:


Bitstream 3X Super (http://www.cme-pro.com/en/product-detail.php?product_id=6)
Novation Remote Zero SL (http://www.novationmusic.com/products/midi_control/remote_zero_sl/)


Best of luck to you

[Zelja]

John's at it again.

DIG!

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=7280055&q=hi

Enjoyed that! Great tune & the tones really complement it. What more is needed?

Thanks for posting.

[Jarrett]

I was wrong, the patch wasn't up on the Axechange, but it's now...

http://axechange.net/preset.aspx?preset_id=694

Keep in mind that all the bypass of the fx is cc on my board so you will have to reassign those. As well as having a loop for the power amp/cab before the cab sim block.

Thanks Ed. I don't have a MIDI interface at this point, so I am just loading the patch into the editor so I can see the values and manually inputting them into my Axe-FX for now. So the effects I don't want or don't have in the Standard, I just don't manually input. PITA, but its helping me learn the unit as well.

I ran into the "Out of CPU" deal when manually adding your other preset last night. So I am starting to see the limitations of the Standard.

[Anthony Gring]

Aren't you using a Standard? Thanks for posting that BTW.

[Jarrett]

Ok, just for a sanity check I broke out the POD X3Live and the VHT SigX this morning. I ran the Line6 through the same non tube power amp/cab that the Axe-FX runs through. I ran the VHT through the same cab since it has its own (tube) power amp

Line6
Even on my best tweaked POD tone, I couldn't get close to the feel or realism of my Axe-FX patches. It's truly a different league. I just turned it off. Its really to sell for sure.

VHT SigX
This is much closer. This is really a toss up. I prefer the clean tones on the Axe-FX considerably over the VHT. The Axe-FX can produce OD tones really, really similar to the VHT, but the VHT Lead Channel has a complexity that I haven't dialed into the Axe-FX yet. Its hard to explain other than to say there is more granularity in the VHT, just more complex. I should say this is something I could never discern in a live mix, only just sitting here A/Bing the setups and listening very critically.

I think this might just have to do with how the VHT is voiced as I haven't really heard this is many other amps as well. I wish the Axe-FX has a SigX model, then all would be well I guess :)

But overall, the Axe-FX is covering the tones really well and of course there are literally a million tones in the Axe-FX that the VHT (nor the Line6) can approach.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Nope, always had the Ultra.
Aren't you using a Standard? Thanks for posting that BTW.

[c-dub]

Getting my Rocktron AA today; yet to pull the trigger on an Axe. Still looking to trade my Gibson CS ES-336 or Takamine LTD96 for an Axe-fx rig, +/- cash as necessary, before I get any deeper -- if anybody knows of one. :)

[Joseph Hanna]

but the VHT Lead Channel has a complexity that I haven't dialed into the Axe-FX yet. Its hard to explain other than to say there is more granularity in the VHT, just more complex. I should say this is something I could never discern in a live mix, only just sitting here A/Bing the setups and listening very critically.

Have you tried swapping out tone stacks for whatever Axe model your using to copy the VHT?

How about raising or lowering the tone stack mid frequency? Also have you tried raising the master volume of the amp block? Raising and lowering the master changes the complexity of the model drastically.

[Jarrett]

Have you tried swapping out tone stacks for whatever Axe model your using to copy the VHT?

How about raising or lowering the tone stack mid frequency? Also have you tried raising the master volume of the amp block? Raising and lowering the master changes the complexity of the model drastically.

I've tried the MV part, but haven't gone that deep with the others yet. Actually I didn't even realize you could adjust the tone stack mid frequency. The models I've tried to use so far are the Energyball and Euro2 and have tweaked around a bit on the page 1&2 tone controls (damp/sag/etc) but haven't gone much beyond that. I will try to mess with that more, thanks for the input.

[Jarrett]

I just had another holy crap moment with my Axe-FX rig. It's a SS power amp going into a VHT 2x12 guitar cab. Tonight I'm sitting in on bass with a friend's band. (I'm really more of a bass player than guitar player, but I get more calls for guitar for some reason)

Anyway, I broke out my bass and bass amp to loosen up the chops and sat it next to my Axe-FX rig. I remembered seeing the SV Bass model in there so for fun I dialed up a quick preset with the SV Bass and 8x10 cab as a goof. I hit a couple of licks and freaked out. It sounded good. I moved the cable back over to my bass amp (Ampeg Portabass250 2x10 combo) and played a couple of licks, then moved it back to the Axe-FX and it sounded better!

I couldn't believe it. A guitar preamp/guitar cab-based rig sounding considerably better than my bass amp! If we weren't crampt on space tonight I would take the Axe-FX rig, but I already told them I would bring my vert 2x10 combo to take up less space and double as a stool.

But I can actually see myself using this Axe-FX on small bass gigs in the future meaning I could sell my bass amp. If I can sell my guitar amp, multi effects pedal and bass amp, the Axe-FX will have paid for itself easily. This thing just keeps on amazing me.

Edit - I just had to make a quick clip of this preset:

Axe Bass Noodlage (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/Axe-Bass.mp3)

[ericb]

I just had another holy crap moment with my Axe-FX rig. It's a SS power amp going into a VHT 2x12 guitar cab. Tonight I'm sitting in on bass with a friend's band. (I'm really more of a bass player than guitar player, but I get more calls for guitar for some reason)

Anyway, I broke out my bass and bass amp to loosen up the chops and sat it next to my Axe-FX rig. I remembered seeing the SV Bass model in there so for fun I dialed up a quick preset with the SV Bass and 8x10 cab as a goof. I hit a couple of licks and freaked out. It sounded good. I moved the cable back over to my bass amp (Ampeg Portabass250 2x10 combo) and played a couple of licks, then moved it back to the Axe-FX and it sounded better!

I couldn't believe it. A guitar preamp/guitar cab-based rig sounding considerably better than my bass amp! If we weren't crampt on space tonight I would take the Axe-FX rig, but I already told them I would bring my vert 2x10 combo to take up less space and double as a stool.

But I can actually see myself using this Axe-FX on small bass gigs in the future meaning I could sell my bass amp. If I can sell my guitar amp, multi effects pedal and bass amp, the Axe-FX will have paid for itself easily. This thing just keeps on amazing me.

Edit - I just had to make a quick clip of this preset:

Axe Bass Noodlage (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/Axe-Bass.mp3)

Wow, nice slappage! Like it :cool:

Eric

[Ben R]

Agreed. Very good bass playing, Jarrett.

[Steve Snider]

Wow, nice slappage! Like it :cool:

Eric


Me too!! Very cool!! What version is that bass sim in? I have 6.0 right now.

Thanks,
S

[Scott Peterson]

I just had another holy crap moment with my Axe-FX rig. It's a SS power amp going into a VHT 2x12 guitar cab. Tonight I'm sitting in on bass with a friend's band. (I'm really more of a bass player than guitar player, but I get more calls for guitar for some reason)

Anyway, I broke out my bass and bass amp to loosen up the chops and sat it next to my Axe-FX rig. I remembered seeing the SV Bass model in there so for fun I dialed up a quick preset with the SV Bass and 8x10 cab as a goof. I hit a couple of licks and freaked out. It sounded good. I moved the cable back over to my bass amp (Ampeg Portabass250 2x10 combo) and played a couple of licks, then moved it back to the Axe-FX and it sounded better!

I couldn't believe it. A guitar preamp/guitar cab-based rig sounding considerably better than my bass amp! If we weren't crampt on space tonight I would take the Axe-FX rig, but I already told them I would bring my vert 2x10 combo to take up less space and double as a stool.

But I can actually see myself using this Axe-FX on small bass gigs in the future meaning I could sell my bass amp. If I can sell my guitar amp, multi effects pedal and bass amp, the Axe-FX will have paid for itself easily. This thing just keeps on amazing me.

Edit - I just had to make a quick clip of this preset:

Axe Bass Noodlage (http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/Axe-Bass.mp3)

Let's see the tube snob Axe-FX haters try that with their guitar rigs. :D

(/sarcasm /humor) ;) :D

[Jarrett]

Me too!! Very cool!! What version is that bass sim in? I have 6.0 right now.

I'm not sure when it was added, but I am running the 6.07 firmware right now and its in there. That clip is just the SV Bass amp model and the 8x10 bass cab model; but the sound is coming out of a 2x12 guitar cab with no horn! If someone asked me what cab was in that recording I would swear it was a 2x10/4x10/8x10 bass cab with a horn. Wild.

[stratzrus]

...the sound is coming out of a 2x12 guitar cab with no horn! If someone asked me what cab was in that recording I would swear it was a 2x10/4x10/8x10 bass cab with a horn. Wild.Isn't it possible to blow a guitar speaker playing bass through it even if it's through the Axe FX?

I thought that the cone excursion was too large for a guitar speaker.

[Jarrett]

Isn't it possible to blow a guitar speaker playing bass through it even if it's through the Axe FX?

I thought that the cone excursion was too large for a guitar speaker.

Yeah I am being very careful about that and keeping the volumes very low at this point. I probably need to look into getting another dedicated cab to gig with just to be safe. Although the quality of the tone has me wondering about FRFR stuff now.

[Scott Peterson]

Yeah I am being very careful about that and keeping the volumes very low at this point. I probably need to look into getting another dedicated cab to gig with just to be safe. Although the quality of the tone has me wondering about FRFR stuff now.

:D and so it begins..........

(I started with a tube power amp, standard cabs & Axe-FX setup then slooooowly moved into trying FRFR and then converted. Be afriad. :D)

[buddaman71]

Scott,
I was wondering if you had tried the 12" JBL PRX active cabs before settling on the QSC. My band has a full QSC active PA that sounds GREAT, but they are much heavier than the JBLs and I wondered if you had ever compared them with the AXE.
Thanks,
Jason

[thefyn]

Let's see the tube snob Axe-FX haters try that with their guitar rigs. :D

(/sarcasm /humor) ;) :D


Did the bass with a plug in. No amp. No hardware:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=862889&songID=6955660

To take it a step further, I did the bass on this one with a guitar. A standard skinny strung electric guitar (though Amplutube, pitch shifted):

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=862889&songID=7288506

The solo is just my guitar plugged into my PC and I used Amplitube for the gain and fx. So Amplitube is both the solo and the bass direct guitar to soundcard.

[Tonefish]

Let's see the tube snob Axe-FX haters try that with their guitar rigs. :D

(/sarcasm /humor) ;) :D

You heard of a '59 Bassman?

(/sarcasm /humor) ;) :D too!

[gag halfrunt]

:D and so it begins..........

(I started with a tube power amp, standard cabs & Axe-FX setup then slooooowly moved into trying FRFR and then converted. Be afriad. :D)

Scott, I'm even more confused - I run mine both ways! (FOH for mains, tube power amp/cab for stage) :)

[Clawfinger]

Did the bass with a plug in. No amp. No hardware:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=862889&songID=6955660



I'm sorry man, but I can't hear the bass sound. There's low end (bass obviously) in the mix, but.... I thought it sounded like a monophonic synth with some res filters going on. ;)

Do a clip like this instead: Bass.mp3 (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/315378/stuff/Rhytmus-09-Bass.mp3) So we can hear the awesomeness i mean. ProCo Rat -> Ampeg SVT -> Ampeg 4x12 -> C414 + a Chinese Ribbon.

[Scott Peterson]

Did the bass with a plug in. No amp. No hardware:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=862889&songID=6955660

To take it a step further, I did the bass on this one with a guitar. A standard skinny strung electric guitar (though Amplutube, pitch shifted):

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=862889&songID=7288506

The solo is just my guitar plugged into my PC and I used Amplitube for the gain and fx. So Amplitube is both the solo and the bass direct guitar to soundcard.

I was more poking a little fun at the tube snob purist folks. ;) Thought it be funny to hear them plugging Jazz basses into Two Rocks. :D

I listened to both and can 'sense' the bass more than 'hear' it. No slam, just commenting.

[Shark Diver]

:D and so it begins..........

(I started with a tube power amp, standard cabs & Axe-FX setup then slooooowly moved into trying FRFR and then converted. Be afriad. :D)

Funny, I ended up going the other way. Tried FRFR, and then added a tube pre, now running into a power amp, but using a Palmer for FRFR still.

[Scott Peterson]

Funny, I ended up going the other way. Tried FRFR, and a tube pre, now running into a power amp, but using a Palmer for FRFR still.

And that's cool. There's no 'better' way; just the best way for each individual. That we can utilize the same core component and still craft such individual rigs and tones is what really matters.

[Jarrett]

Ok I've been trying to emulate my Egnater Mod50 EG5 module with the Axe-FX. Here is a recording of the EG5:

http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/EG5-ChB.mp3

Here's a recording of the Axe-FX verision:

http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/Axe-FX-EG5.mp3

How close am I? What needs to be adjusted? Opinions?

[Trotter]

Quick question:

Can the Axe-FX do Through-Zero flanging?

thanks!

[Ed DeGenaro]

Quick question:

Can the Axe-FX do Through-Zero flanging?

thanks!
yes

[Trotter]

So, if it is possible to use the Axe Fx as a bass amp, can you push a 4x10 bass cab with it? Sounds like most people are just using guitar cabs with a Bass amp preset.

thanks.

[Clawfinger]

Of course you'll need a poweramp to do so, but the sound will be top quality.

[Trotter]

Sorry for all the questions, but do you guys think this power amp would work well with the Axe Fx?

Crown CTs 2000:
http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-CROCTS2000.html

thanks again.

[Clawfinger]

Sorry for all the questions, but do you guys think this power amp would work well with the Axe Fx?

Crown CTs 2000:
http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-CROCTS2000.html

thanks again.

With that poweramp, you'll be happy. A bridged 2000W is enough. ;)

Here's another one that could work too: QSC PLX3602
[/URL][URL]http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-QSCPLX3602.html (http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-QSCRMX2450.html)

[Trotter]

Thanks Clawfinger!

Well, I could get either the Crown CTs 600 or Crown CTs 2000 at a discounted rate through a friend...
Which would be a better choice for use with the Axe Fx? This is mostly for home studio use and garage jammin' with friends

Crown CTs 600:
http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-CROCTS600

Crown CTs 2000
http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-CROCTS2000.html

thanks in advance!

[Clawfinger]

For home/garage jamming, the 600 has more than enough power. But hey, if you want to kill someone with sheer volume, buy the 2000... and more cabs. ;)

[thefyn]

I'm sorry man, but I can't hear the bass sound. There's low end (bass obviously) in the mix, but.... I thought it sounded like a monophonic synth with some res filters going on. ;)

Do a clip like this instead: Bass.mp3 (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/315378/stuff/Rhytmus-09-Bass.mp3) So we can hear the awesomeness i mean. ProCo Rat -> Ampeg SVT -> Ampeg 4x12 -> C414 + a Chinese Ribbon.

RE my clip, you have good ears! I had a software fuzz pedal in the bass chain to make it sound more syth like. I wanted something bombastic as standard tuned guitars can lose that heavy feeling compared to the downtuners.

I actually have to record bass soon as I can do some clippage for you.

[thefyn]

I was more poking a little fun at the tube snob purist folks. ;) Thought it be funny to hear them plugging Jazz basses into Two Rocks. :D

I listened to both and can 'sense' the bass more than 'hear' it. No slam, just commenting.

Yeah I know :AOK

I like what plugins gives my bass because it is an ancient Fender 4 string and almost impossible to get a thick sound out of it. The plug ins really help me out in that respect.

[Vintage]

Ok I've been trying to emulate my Egnater Mod50 EG5 module with the Axe-FX. Here is a recording of the EG5:

http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/EG5-ChB.mp3

Here's a recording of the Axe-FX verision:

http://www.plaidfaction.com/mp3s/Myclips/Axe-FX-EG5.mp3

How close am I? What needs to be adjusted? Opinions?

Wow they both sound great but it sounded like the Egnater had harmonic overtones. The notes seem to ring out.

[Jarrett]

Thanks for the comment. I guess I should note the cabs are different as well. The Egnater clip is through a OS Bogner 2x12 with V30s and the Axe-FX is through a smaller VHT Fat Bottom 2x12 cab with the VHT OEM'ed Emminence speakers. Maybe I should add a Bogner cab block to the Axe-FX patch and see if that brings in some of that fatness in the Egnater clip.

[Vintage]

Jarret I found this clip a while back on youtube that has a very similar tone to the MOD50 clip. It is really good, maybe a forum member. Thought you would enjoy.

AXE Shred (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wNm6EQRzgw)

[Jarrett]

Yeah thanks I appreciate it. I haven't delved into the SLO model yet in the Axe-FX. I probably should though, the EG5 is closest to that I think. Thanks.

That dude has some chops. Wonder if he is giving lessons? :)

[hp/mp]

So.... will the price of the Ultra likely go down later in 2009? How do these things work... :confused: :tapedshut

[stratovarius]

So.... will the price of the Ultra likely go down later in 2009? How do these things work... :confused: :tapedshut

If by these things you mean cheaply made, mass produced, price point driven, everyone and their grandma's got one modelers, then yes that's how these things usually work. Sell them by the tens of thousands and make them obsolete in a couple of years.

I wouldn't count on it in this case, however. :Spank

[hp/mp]

If by these things you mean cheaply made, mass produced, price point driven, everyone and their grandma's got one modelers, then yes that's how these things usually work. Sell them by the tens of thousands and make them obsolete in a couple of years.

I wouldn't count on it in this case, however. :Spank

=). I was just wondering because wasn't the Ultra some odd $2,295 and the Standard $1,999 last year?

I don't have a problem waiting longer if the price will likely go down... but it won't go up... right? :O
A wait and see type of thing?

[stratovarius]

=). I was just wondering because wasn't the Ultra some odd $2,295 and the Standard $1,999 last year?

I don't have a problem waiting longer if the price will likely go down... but it won't go up... right? :O
A wait and see type of thing?

I understand now.

In the past, if you weren't willing to wait in line then you could pay full price, otherwise you could get a significant discount. There is no longer a wait, but I believe the sale price is pretty close to what the discounted price had been.

I can only guess at future pricing, but I don't expect there will be much change unless there is a new model introduced or the competition comes up with something better. I don't see that happening because the hardware is of the highest quality and there is plenty of horsepower. The "secret sauce" is in the software algorithms.

Of course this is just my opinion and I could be proven wrong at any time.

[Scott Peterson]

The "secret sauce" is in the software algorithms.

Agreed on all your points; but the 'secret sauce' is normally attributed to Cliff's hardware input gain stage. He's got something really cool going on there with it that is a very important part of the magic.

[stratovarius]

Agreed on all your points; but the 'secret sauce' is normally attributed to Cliff's hardware input gain stage. He's got something really cool going on there with it that is a very important part of the magic.

I can't argue with that - I had always speculated that a big part of the problem with previous generation modelers is that they tried to treat the guitar like just any other signal.

The point I was trying to make is that there isn't any apparent reason why the hardware itself should soon become obsolete. With some of the other modelers on the market, it is apparent that they are even boxed in by the design of the user interface, not to mention the processing power and lower quality convertors, etc.

It's not really fair to compare, considering the spread of price points involved, but I feel like the Axe is more of a long term investment than what has come before. Only time will tell.

[gag halfrunt]

I understand now.

In the past, if you weren't willing to wait in line then you could pay full price, otherwise you could get a significant discount. There is no longer a wait, but I believe the sale price is pretty close to what the discounted price had been.

I can only guess at future pricing, but I don't expect there will be much change unless there is a new model introduced or the competition comes up with something better. I don't see that happening because the hardware is of the highest quality and there is plenty of horsepower. The "secret sauce" is in the software algorithms.

Of course this is just my opinion and I could be proven wrong at any time.

I have been wondering if Cliff will be upgrading the processor anytime. With the prices going down all the time as faster processors are developed, it just seems logical. If so, we might soon be in a position where we won't ever run into a processor limitation in the Axe.

[Scott Peterson]

I have been wondering if Cliff will be upgrading the processor anytime. With the prices going down all the time as faster processors are developed, it just seems logical. If so, we might soon be in a position where we won't ever run into a processor limitation in the Axe.

It uses a Sharc processor chip, so I'd watch that company to see if they release a more powerful chip. To the best of my knowledge (which is not very knowledgeable) there isn't a more powerful chip that is remotely affordable by any reasonable measurement.

[stratovarius]

http://www.analog.com/en/embedded-processing-dsp/tigersharc/content/fractal_audios_guitar_pre_amp/fca.html

[Shark Diver]

I'd rather see some hardware changes. I never come close to CPU capacity.

[stratzrus]

I have been wondering if Cliff will be upgrading the processor anytime. With the prices going down all the time as faster processors are developed, it just seems logical. If so, we might soon be in a position where we won't ever run into a processor limitation in the Axe.
I'd rather see some hardware changes. I never come close to CPU capacity.Yeah, I'd be surprised if upgrading the processor is a high priority since the current one seems to be up to the task at hand.

My assumption is that development has been concentrated on the new speaker, software, and footpedal.

[Reeltarded]

Does this thing sound good through guitar cabinets at concert volumes? I have watched as much.. YouTube noodling as I can stand, and still not one person cranked through a set of 4x12s or more..

Alot of this stuff works one way, and not another. How does the guitar sound through guitar cabs with the speaker simuwhatever tuned O F F?

I think the cleaner sounds might meet a need I have, but I really need to know what the translation is like from an amped quad of 4x12s. I don't care about the effects.

[Jerrod]

Does this thing sound good through guitar cabinets at concert volumes? I have watched as much.. YouTube noodling as I can stand, and still not one person cranked through a set of 4x12s or more..

Alot of this stuff works one way, and not another. How does the guitar sound through guitar cabs with the speaker simuwhatever tuned O F F?

I think the cleaner sounds might meet a need I have, but I really need to know what the translation is like from an amped quad of 4x12s. I don't care about the effects.

To be honest, I'm still trying to get the "direct" sounds to be as good as they are in-room for me. I dialed up a room sound with the SLO model and it sounded super thick, almost warm, and perfect... this is through my VHT 2/50/2 and THD cab. I love it. It blows me away. But the cab & mic sims tend to put more sizzle on the sound than I like. If I can get the direct sounds anywhere near what I hear in the room, I will die happy.

[stratzrus]

Hey Jerrod, which cab are you using and what speakers?

[Jerrod]

Hey Jerrod, which cab are you using and what speakers?

THD 2x12 and Celestion G12-65s wired in stereo. I just copy Ed D. :cool:

[Ed DeGenaro]

Does this thing sound good through guitar cabinets at concert volumes? I have watched as much.. YouTube noodling as I can stand, and still not one person cranked through a set of 4x12s or more..

Alot of this stuff works one way, and not another. How does the guitar sound through guitar cabs with the speaker simuwhatever tuned O F F?

I think the cleaner sounds might meet a need I have, but I really need to know what the translation is like from an amped quad of 4x12s. I don't care about the effects.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeally...not one person...that's a shame.
try this through a 4x12 and a 2x12 with the sims off with the power amp cranking...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaesxICtwSE&fmt=18
you might not dig it, but it just so happens to be what you say doesn't exist. :)

[Shark Diver]

Does this thing sound good through guitar cabinets at concert volumes? I have watched as much.. YouTube noodling as I can stand, and still not one person cranked through a set of 4x12s or more..

Alot of this stuff works one way, and not another. How does the guitar sound through guitar cabs with the speaker simuwhatever tuned O F F?

I think the cleaner sounds might meet a need I have, but I really need to know what the translation is like from an amped quad of 4x12s. I don't care about the effects.

Well I don't know a lot of guys able to use a quad set of 4x12s, but it sounds fantastic through one 4x12 - so I see no reason it shouldn't translate to a few more. It's really great as a preamp. I don't really like it without a tube amp. I have used a Bogner Fish, have 2 CAE pres and will have an x99 here Friday. I think the Axe so far has beaten these. (The x99 won't get tested until the weekend) On top of that you have a 2 rack space unit that can pretty much get every sound all these can. But who knows if you'll like it.

[gag halfrunt]

Yeah, I'd be surprised if upgrading the processor is a high priority since the current one seems to be up to the task at hand.

My assumption is that development has been concentrated on the new speaker, software, and footpedal.
Most of the time it is. But occasionally I bump up against some limitations. They are fairly easy to work around, but with time invariably lowering processor prices, it seems like a natural progression to upgrade.

[stratzrus]

Most of the time it is. But occasionally I bump up against some limitations. They are fairly easy to work around, but with time invariably lowering processor prices, it seems like a natural progression to upgrade.I wouldn't be surprised to see a different processor in the future, but the question is how far in the future?

12 months? Probably not, there aren't even rumors about a chip change at this point.

24 months? Maybe.

It seems to not be a priority now.

I would think it would take a significantly better chip for the same or a comparable price, and so far, there doesn't seem to be a likely candidate on the market, but I'm sure others know more about the state of chip development than I do.