Carol Ann Poli Clip

[Bigtone]

I thought I'd make a Carol Ann OD50 clip doing the Blue Line Era poli type tone, Fender Esprit, Carol Ann, Marshall 4 12" blackbacks, zero eq, this is exactly how it sounded in the room,
The bright switch is off, the mids dimed, input noon, gain about 1:30, very low volumn, talking thereabouts, presence off, Just a nice fat tone that gets in the zone, Bass and treble were at noon. Bigtone

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=121826

[57special]

so is this the "take 2" clip?

[Bigtone]

No its the second one down, Good poli tone, carol ann
Sorry no backing track, Bigtone

[cochese]

Great tone and playing. You really nailed the vibe and sound.

[NFB]

Nice, But I thought the first TR E-pro w/ the DD2 was a bit better IMHO.

[57special]

BT. Nice! I can see why Marshall players like the CA's. You got that cutting, electric, tone.

[Bigtone]

NFB, I agree, the Emmy Pro still has that almost flute like sound to it, at this
its still hard to beat, blue line era tones. Listen to the original, what a crazy good sound RF got, just insane.
The CA , and unfortunatly its not mine, has a nice old school grunt, I do think it gets in the zone however, and better than most, Thanx guys, Bigtone

[Texsunburst59]

I listened to all the Poli clips and this is the BEST of them all. More definition and more musical sounding to MY ears. This GW clip catches my ear.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=121826&songID=6430034

[Bigtone]

But the least like Ford's, topend is to buzzy, not enough lower mids,
I finds this is where most of the clones sit,
The thing I like about the CA, is its a nice halfway point, for guys like me
who still refuse to sell my old JMP's, I get the same feel and vibe ,but with a smoothed out topend,
Most if not all the clones I've played , there's this huge upper mid to treble spike, thats just dang harsh, and no compression,
Texasburst 59, thats a good tone , but not in a blue line era sense,
Its good though, Bigtone

[ross]

Is this the CA OD2-50 or the eariler OD-50?

[Bigtone]

ross ,its an OD2, Bigtone

[TopDog]

This is kind of silly.

There is no way to make accurate comparisons or judgments based on clips.

Judgments of sound samples must be done live by several "experienced" listeners in a controlled environment. That assumes proper room acoustics, identical speakers, similar tone setting, same content, similar volume, and most importantly known references, preferably a high and low reference. To do it right it should also be based on a statistical design where judgments are made "blind" in multiple repetitions - so the same amp is heard multiple times in different positions, meaning for example...

1. Bludo - Fuchs - CA - Glaswerks
2. Fuchs -Bludo - CA - Glaswerks
3 .CA - bludo - Glaswerks - Fuchs... and so on...

The results are then statistically anaylyzed....


Also, clips are colored by the recording system used, mike placement and type, and finally the level of compression used. As well there no way to make comparisons to a recording say of Ford's Politician since that was recorded in a pro studio with serious gear with probably great mics, more than one mic among other things and then it gets EQ'ed before and during mastering.

[Bigtone]

LongIslandRod, I agree with alot of what your saying, but with this particular clip, I think it represents what the OD-2 sounds like, I used good gear to record it, Langevin DVC, mic pre , Seinheiser 421, into a motu828, and
it sounded really similar to the ACTUAL sound in the room, really close.
No eq at all, no compression.
I have played FUCHS SLX , Two rock Emerald 50, Dumble ODS, Two Rock
Custom Reverb, tweaked them all, and none of these, IMHO could get as close
at this particular Ford type sound, To be fair the CA doesn't nail either, but it gets in the zone, really well, better than most.
Your point is well taken though, I'd love to play and tweak each of these amps
under a controlled consistant enviroment,
Clips are valuable tools, but only as honest as the recording, but they are useful. Bigtone

[MesieBooga]

FAT awesome tone, nice!

[ChickenLover]

Sounds great to me! The TR and GW sounded good too. You got some serious amps!

Judgments of sound samples must be done live by several "experienced" listeners in a controlled environment. That assumes proper room acoustics, identical speakers, similar tone setting, same content, similar volume, and most importantly known references, preferably a high and low reference. To do it right it should also be based on a statistical design where judgments are made "blind" in multiple repetitions - so the same amp is heard multiple times in different positions, meaning for example...
I don't think clips are 'silly'. I agree they have limitations but we all account for that (most of us anyway). Your test is only good for those people in the room. I don't really care if someone else likes/dislikes an amp...'experienced' or not. It's MY ears that I go by...not anybody elses. The only way to know is to hear it yourself...and since we all can't be in the room...clips are what we got.

I think drawing any conclusions about the tone of an amp based on what someone else says...no matter how experienced they are...is silly. I'd much rather hear a clip than 10 'experienced' decriptions of a tone.

[Bigtone]

Chickenlover, the other two are not my clips , the TR and GW, a friend of mine was kind enough to let me have his CA for a month,
Tag did the other two, he's the guy with the killer amps,

I think its a very good representation of the CA, and I agree, 10 description
just don't stack up to hearing clip or better yet in person, Bigtone

[splatt]

Chickenlover, the other two are not my clips , the TR and GW, a friend of mine was kind enough to let me have his CA for a month,
Tag did the other two, he's the guy with the killer amps,

I think its a very good representation of the CA, and I agree, 10 description
just don't stack up to hearing clip or better yet in person, Bigtone
weird!
i really thought you were Tag,
since it appears like it's Tag's SoundClick page!
dt / spltrcl

[ericb]

weird!
i really thought you were Tag,
since it appears like it's Tag's SoundClick page!
dt / spltrcl

When he posted this a few months back , I thought the exact same thing.. . A TAG CLONE!!!!!

Eric

[Bigtone]

A Tag clone, now thats funny, the clip passed his test for doing the poli thing
so he posted it, You guys know the legend is back? so be careful,

The closest I have right now for this tone,is a sparkle drive pedal, into my old jmp 50 watter, on the bass side of the 4 inputter, its closer than most of the clones, but not emmy pro, Carol Ann, or Glaswerks league, but wayyyyyyy
closer than the real Dumble I played, hows that for irony? Bigtone

[andybaylor]

A Tag clone, now thats funny, the clip passed his test for doing the poli thing
so he posted it, You guys know the legend is back? so be careful,

The closest I have right now for this tone,is a sparkle drive pedal, into my old jmp 50 watter, on the bass side of the 4 inputter, its closer than most of the clones, but not emmy pro, Carol Ann, or Glaswerks league, but wayyyyyyy
closer than the real Dumble I played, hows that for irony? Bigtone
Hmmm...loving my 50 watters

[GuitarNorton]

I thought I'd make a Carol Ann OD50 clip doing the Blue Line Era poli type tone, Fender Esprit, Carol Ann, Marshall 4 12" blackbacks, zero eq, this is exactly how it sounded in the room,
The bright switch is off, the mids dimed, input noon, gain about 1:30, very low volumn, talking thereabouts, presence off, Just a nice fat tone that gets in the zone, Bass and treble were at noon. Bigtone

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=121826

I've found the level on the effects loop makes a difference in tone. Wondering where you had it set?

[Bigtone]

Does it make a difference even if the loop is not used?? Bigtone
I don't know where it was at????

[GuitarNorton]

Yea it does, play with it see what you think. Sort of like another master, I like it at least mid way,12 o'clockish

[Tag]

A Tag clone, now thats funny, the clip passed his test for doing the poli thing
so he posted it,

Hey Greg,

:jo NOW I see whats going on. Someone actually complained to a mod that I was posting under your name. LOL! Seems some people are REALLY not happy I am back, and they were already trying to get me banned again. :rolleyes: UNREAL! Well....

:banana:banana:banana I'M BACK!!! :banana:banana:banana


Greg made a great clip of the CA and sent it to me. I said he should post it on TGP, but he had no where to post it, so I posted it for him. Simple as that.


I will be A/Bing my Glaswerks with a CA OD2 tomorrow.

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!

[Sean French]

I will be A/Bing my Glaswerks with a CA OD2 tomorrow.

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!



Why not the Emmy as well?:confused:
Don't be affraid to dig the OD-2 as much if not more than the all mighty E Pro.lol :D :stir

[Mac Daddy 355]

Why not the Emmy as well?:confused:
Don't be affraid to dig the OD-2 as much if not more than the all mighty E Pro.lol :D :stir
The Epro is always welcome in my homestead

[Bigtone]

Tag , make sure you crank the mids and engage the boost on the CA, and play around with the loop thing volumn, according to guitarnorton, Have fun, you crazy tone hound, Bigtone