Roswell Crash

[Frater B]

Roswell Crash Debris,

was it Intelligent Extra-Terestrial Life or just a Weather Balloon?

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[jazzandmetal?]

ET. What happened to the poll? Did the CIA catch on and make it vanish?

[Flyin' Brian]

I don't know anyone here who has enough info to do anything other than make an uneducated guess.

[jazzandmetal?]

I don't know anyone here who has enough info to do anything other than make an uneducated guess.

My guess is more of an educated as much as it can be hope.

[Tonefish]

I don't know about a weather balloon, but I'm not sure I'd go all the way to ET either. The museum, and all, are interesting though.

[theRocco]

I don't know anyone here who has enough info to do anything other than make an uneducated guess.

What? With over 35,000 members here, got to be at least half that were kidnapped by aliens and have inside info.

Not me, though--but I was kidnapped once by a weather balloon!

[Bones]

my personal theory is that the whole thing was a giant exercise in misinformation.

[cvansickle]

I don't buy the alien angle. Whatever it was, it was a serious screw-up on the part of somebody and that somebody didn't want anybody to find out.

[Shine]

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

[Suproman77]

I'd say the most likely explanation is probably the right one. We know the military was performing all sorts of classified tests out there and it was their job to cover it up as much as possible. The secretive nature led a lot of people's imaginations to run wild, IMO.

That's my thought on it anyway.

[EricPeterson]

I'd say the most likely explanation is probably the right one. We know the military was performing all sorts of classified tests out there and it was their job to cover it up as much as possible. The secretive nature of these tests led a lot of people's imaginations to run wild, IMO.

That's my thoughts on it anyway.

Bingo!

Seriously, the idea that the government could cover up the presence of Aliens is hard to swallow, let alone every government on earth acting in concert to suppress the evidence of aliens is laughable. :NUTS

Although I don't think that Oswald acted alone so who am I to judge. :jo

[XKnight]

We are all aliens.:worried

[ljplum12]

What? With over 35,000 members here, got to be at least half that were kidnapped by aliens and have inside info.

Not me, though--but I was kidnapped once by a weather balloon!

http://bp2.blogger.com/_UMJPRMUyTLA/RqexgqVPTTI/AAAAAAAAAAs/PufHzLAIvG4/s400/n522306244_197290_3718.jpg

[Suproman77]

Bingo!

Seriously, the idea that the government could cover up the presence of Aliens is hard to swallow, let alone every government on earth acting in concert to suppress the evidence of aliens is laughable. :NUTS

Although I don't think that Oswald acted alone so who am I to judge. :jo

The JFK conspiracy theories are amongst the ONLY believable ones I've ever heard. Even I, who usually despises conspiracy theories of all sorts, can admit that there might be more than meets the eye with that one.

As for our goverment and every other governemnt on this planet covering up the existance of aliens? I don't think so...

[UndergroundVint]

None of us takes pleasure in saying that something was probably a boring military test. But thousands of UFO watchers absolutely LIVE for declaring every mail truck part of a government cover-up and calling every group of turkey vultures possible aliens invading our planet. Yeah yeah yeah, I can't PROVE that those aren't alien gliders, I know. This is why we're still talking about Roswell.

[re-animator]

this thread will end up political. I don't know how or why.... it just will.

[jay42]

Terestrial...and very embarrasing for somebody in the land of alphabet soup.

[Frater B]

I don't know anyone here who has enough info to do anything other than make an uneducated guess.

Most likely. But we have a few NASA guys around here.
Have you ever seen a ufo?

I'd say the most likely explanation is probably the right one. We know the military was performing all sorts of classified tests out there and it was their job to cover it up as much as possible. The secretive nature led a lot of people's imaginations to run wild, IMO.



Logic dictates........


We are all aliens.:worried

:eek:


Bingo!

Seriously, the idea that the government could cover up the presence of Aliens is hard to swallow, let alone every government on earth acting in concert to suppress the evidence of aliens is laughable. :NUTS

Although I don't think that Oswald acted alone so who am I to judge. :jo

I'm basicly on board with your "Bingo".
But why would you think there would be extra-terestrial crashes all over
the world? I think if it were to happen it would be extremely rare.


The JFK conspiracy theories are amongst the ONLY believable ones I've ever heard. Even I, who usually despises conspiracy theories of all sorts, can admit that there might be more than meets the eye with that one.

As for our goverment and every other governemnt on this planet covering up the existance of aliens? I don't think so...

JFK, not really looking to go down that road but
I can see how a lone gunman could pull it off.

again, why would there be crashes all over the world?

this thread will end up political. I don't know how or why.... it just will.

I hope not, maybe I sould edit my JFK reply out. :jo


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[darth_vader]

I suspect it was probably something to do with the military. Maybe some covert testing of a new fighter plane (and not necessarily an unusually high-tech one, just one that they wanted to keep secret), and people just got a bit too excited by it all.

[scott]

I dont think it was alien. It was a serious screw up tho and shit got out of hand.

Now the JFK thing....it could have been a lone gunman but just oswalds body language(he really seems like he couldnt believe what was going on, like he was in on it but he got screwed), how Ruby shot him, how Bobby kenedy was also shot.....it doesnt add up. Coincidence? Very possible but IMO something else was going on there. not sure what but something

[phoenix 7]

this thread will end up political. I don't know how or why.... it just will.

I WANT TO BELIEVE. :rotflmao

[Suproman77]

I'm basicly on board with your "Bingo".
But why would you think there would be extra-terestrial crashes all over
the world? I think if it were to happen it would be extremely rare.

Well, we'd really have no way of knowing just how rare or not events like this would be if aliens were, in fact, real and visiting our planet. Plane crashes are rare....and yet, everytime one happens, no matter where in the world it happens, it's all over the news.

Let's say that if an alien craft were to crash land anywhere on our planet in this day in age...how would the governments of the world ever be able to cover that up in time? In 1948, it might have been quite a bit easier, but now, with everyone and their brother owning a camera and camcorder, even right on their cell phones that they carry around at all times, it would be nearly impossible to avoid detection. Doesn't it seem odd to you that something like Roswell hasn't happened again in our modern times? Why not? Maybe because it couldn't.

So, I just don't think there's really anything to these stories. Now, the supposed photographic and video evidence that pops up every now and again...I don't pretend to know what those are, but to make the leap that they are alien visitors from another planet? I couldn't make that leap.

[jazzandmetal?]

Well, we'd really have no way of knowing just how rare or not events like this would be if aliens were, in fact, real and visiting our planet. Plane crashes are rare....and yet, everytime one happens, no matter where in the world it happens, it's all over the news.

Let's say that if an alien craft were to crash land anywhere on our planet in this day in age...how would the governments of teh world ever be able to cover that up in time? In 1948, it might have been quite a bit easier, but now, with everyone and their brother owning a camera and camcorder, even right on their cell phones that they carry around at all times, it would be nearly impossible to avoid detection.

So, it's something to consider at least.

"stuff" has been covered up in this day and age. Cameras, cell phones and all.

:nono:tapedshut

[Rumblefish]

Beg your pardon.I was on that ship what crashed in Roswell.Had a student pilot flyin' and he had a catastrophic third eye failure on final approach to the moon.So I took over the controls not knowing he had locked in coordinates
for Taos New Mexico.Not ever having been to Earth before,I didn't know nothin' about Taos.I figgered it was just another intergalactic truck stop.By the time I realized we had overshot the moon,we was already in the Earth's atmosphere so I tried to make the most of a dangerous situation by avoiding all those insipid flying saucers your government was playing with back then.
Just when I thought we were safe here came a giant cigar-shaped lead balloon that bumped us just hard enough to send us into an uncontrolled wobble and the rest is hysterical...I mean history.

[Suproman77]

"stuff" has been covered up in this day and age. Cameras, cell phones and all.

:nono:tapedshut

By whom and what specific events are you referring to?

[jazzandmetal?]

By whom and what specific events are you referring to?

People and things that aren't worth getting banned over.

[Suproman77]

People and things that aren't worth getting banned over.

If it's what I think you're talking about, I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10ft pole even if it were allowed here. I don't buy into any of that nonsense.

[jazzandmetal?]

If it's what I think you're talking about, I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10ft pole even if it were allowed here. I don't buy into any of that nonsense.

Everyone believes/thinks different things. I have nothing but an open mind and respect for your beliefs/thoughts and I would hope you have the same respect for mine.


*Edit* Lets not assume anything.

[MickeyJi]

Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the andes?
Was it round
And did it have
A motor
Or was it
Something
Different

Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Fly along the mountains
And find a place to park itself

Or did someone
Build a place
To leave a space
For such a vehicle to land

Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Did the indians, first on the bill
Carve up the hill

Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the andes?
Was she round
And did she have a motor
Or was she something different

Guacamole queen
Guacamole queen
Guacamole queen
Guacamole queen
At the armadillo in austin texas, her aura,
Or did someone build a place
Or leave a space for chester's thing to land
(chester's thing... on ruth)
Did a booger-beer
Come from somewhere out there
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Did the indians, first on the bill
Carve up her hill
On ruth
On ruth
That's ruth http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/l/158879.jpg


:)

[Brian D]

Whatever it was, the evidence seems to be against it being a weather balloon.

[Boobala]

100% experimental long-distance sound detector with Radar reflector suspended from a weather balloon (aka Project Mogul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul)).

[Lawn Jockey]

I love Roseanne Cash.

http://ickmusic.com/pics/roseanne.jpg

[Suproman77]

Everyone believes/thinks different things. I have nothing but an open mind and respect for your beliefs/thoughts and I would hope you have the same respect for mine.


*Edit* Lets not assume anything.

With all due respect, it really depends on what it is. Like I said, I'm no fan of conspiracy theories because most of them are filled with so many holes they look like swiss cheese and the believers nearly always have some sort of agenda to follow that involves "anti-something". Even in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, like the Moon Landing for example, they will simply not accept reality because it doesn't suit their agenda.

I'm all about respecting beliefs and thoughts, but not when they purposely seek to undermine and destroy the credibility, reputations, and even lives of others with little to no proof to back it up.

[jcoloccia]

So, just why does anybody think it's aliens, anyhow? It was just a bunch of debris with fancy metal or composites (I'm guessing some sort of titanium alloy or carbon fiber....both not very well known at the time). I'm just not sure how aliens got involved in the whole thing. I know there were some accounts of funny looking things pulled out of the wreckage, but I'm thinking it's WAY more likely that those were just mangled animals. I don't doubt that we could very well have been doing tests out there with rockets, ramjets etc, using animals to explore what kind of stresses were survivable.

Seems reasonable to me.

[BIGGERSTAFF]

I'd say the most likely explanation is probably the right one. We know the military was performing all sorts of classified tests out there and it was their job to cover it up as much as possible. The secretive nature led a lot of people's imaginations to run wild, IMO.

That's my thought on it anyway.

:agree

[rmconner80]

I think the most fascinating thing about Roswell was the government and military reaction. They took it really seriously, which is kind of neat to think about. And if it really was an alien crash, I don't think things would have gone much different, nor do I think it would have been that hard to cover up. Whether it was a secret military project, a domestic crash of Soviet espionage equipment, or an actual flying saucer, all represented pretty much the same risk and priority in 1948.

The real cover up here is how the US Government has viewed the "threat" of extra terrestrial invaders. Historical evidence suggests that the US recognized "flying saucers" as a risk of extremely low probability, but high enough impact that it has been planned for or discussed from a policy perspective, whether as a threat from invasion or as an opportunity to get a leg up on the technology / arms / nuclear / space race with the Soviets. Pretty insane if you think about it!

I just find the whole idea of aliens visiting our planet in vehicles so preposterous that the odds of it being an actual crash are astronomically low in my own mind.

[Hamertoe]

Being an open minded person I wouldn't rule anything out but without hard physical evidence or incontrovertible facts it's hard to claim aliens exist. However, there are buildings all over the world devoted to for lack of a better word, "supernatural" people or beings that have yet to show themselves. Just like Roswell, there are those that say without a doubt it happened in the same way believers that inhabit the buildings worshiping the unseen claim they exist and I'm not pointing out or criticizing any group or individuals for what they believe in.

There are some striking similarities in the types of evidence and the lack of it in these instances and there's no shortage of folks asking questions regarding both. Makes me wonder, that's all.

[EricPeterson]

I just find the whole idea of aliens visiting our planet in vehicles so preposterous that the odds of it being an actual crash are astronomically low in my own mind.

+1

This was more my point, as far as Governments covering it up, what I mean is that I doubt that the United States is the only place that Aliens would have ever visited (assuming they exist, and that they can travel great distances, they were able to detect us, are either close enough, live long enough or travel fast enough to get here etc.) FWIW when they de-classified the Stealth it explained many previous UFO's and I suspect with all the crap that the US and the USSR was putting in to the sky at the time therein lies your answer. I have also never heard a convincing story for why it was not a "weather ballon" (obviously it had some military equiptment attached) but I am willing to entertain the discussion :D.

I am also very happy this thread has stayed civil. And let me also say I am sorry if I offended anyone, I try hard to respect others beleifs, but in my vigor of off the cuff responces I may fail. please forgive me in advance. :o

[bigkahuna2u]

Where's the "it was staged" option?

[daddyo]

Please, watch this clip about Roswell and tell me there isn't alien life on this planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khOP9vvNH8I

[Noah]

Just a quick question and I'm not trying to be funny... since I know almost nothing about this topic:

Have there been any completely wild conspiracy theories similar to this one that have actually been proven true?

[martyncrew]

Coincidentally, the British Govt has just de-classified 1,500 pages of content on UFO sightings from the 50s onwards. Much of it is easily debunked, some of it is pretty compelling.

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

[jazzandmetal?]

With all due respect, it really depends on what it is. Like I said, I'm no fan of conspiracy theories because most of them are filled with so many holes they look like swiss cheese and the believers nearly always have some sort of agenda to follow that involves "anti-something". Even in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, like the Moon Landing for example, they will simply not accept reality because it doesn't suit their agenda.

I'm all about respecting beliefs and thoughts, but not when they purposely seek to undermine and destroy the credibility, reputations, and even lives of others with little to no proof to back it up.

Well, I am a fan of conspiracy theories. Proof is what you want it to be sometimes. If you can't respect others beliefs, because you don't agree with it or think that your proof is better than theirs, cool.

No worries. Just don't jump to assumptions on something that you don't know is right or wrong. THat is pertaining to your previous comment.

Edit* I didn't really say that the way I wanted. I am not in anyway attacking you. You are one of the people on this forums whose posts I enjoy and even seek out. But please understand that there are billions of people who believe things that CANNOT be backed up by hard facts and history. That is fact. Juat like them, I have stuff that I would like to believe. Of course it will bias my opinion. But if someone presents something that says what I want to believe can't be, due to real, hard evidence I am not so close minded that I won't look at it and change my mind.

No I cannot give examples.

[Suproman77]

Well, I am a fan of conspiracy theories. Proof is what you want it to be sometimes. If you can't respect others beliefs, because you don't agree with it or think that your proof is better than theirs, cool.

No worries. Just don't jump to assumptions on something that you don't know is right or wrong. THat is pertaining to your previous comment.

Edit* I didn't really say that the way I wanted. I am not in anyway attacking you. You are one of the people on this forums whose posts I enjoy and even seek out. But please understand that there are billions of people who believe things that CANNOT be backed up by hard facts and history. That is fact. Juat like them, I have stuff that I would like to believe. Of course it will bias my opinion. But if someone presents something that says what I want to believe can't be, due to real, hard evidence I am not so close minded that I won't look at it and change my mind.

No I cannot give examples.

No offense taken, but I have to say that the burden of proof is on everyone...the conspiracy theorists and those that presented the official conclusions as well. Who has the most convincing evidence? Which explanations are the most likely ones?

That's how I base my conclusions on things. You refer to them as assumptions and maybe that's what they are, but I prefer to think of them as educated conclusions based on the facts and probability. That's just how I am...I don't let my imagination get the best of me if I can help it. Of course, I don't know if what I've concluded is the truth...I wasn't there, but I learned long ago that the simplest explanations are often the right ones and it's always best to start there and not move on unless or until there's a very good reason for it.

Anyway, again, no offense taken and I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone either by attacking their personal beliefs. Whether I disagree with them and their reasons for having them or not, it's still their right to have any opinion they wish. The part I disapprove of is when unfounded claims can potentially damage people's lives. I think any reasonable person would agree with that.

[bowie3141]

i was conceived at area 51 and i think thats why i have such a fetish for ernie ball super slinky 9's

[jazzandmetal?]

No offense taken, but I have to say that the burden of proof is on everyone...the conspiracy theorists and those that presented the official conclusions as well. Who has the most convincing evidence? Which explanations are the most likely ones?

That's how I base my conclusions on things. You refer to them as assumptions and maybe that's what they are, but I prefer to think of them as educated conclusions based on the facts and probability. That's just how I am...I don't let my imagination get the best of me if I can help it. Of course, I don't know if what I've concluded is the truth...I wasn't there, but I learned long ago that the simplest explanations are often the right ones and it's always best to start there and not move on unless or until there's a very good reason for it.

Anyway, again, no offense taken and I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone either by attacking their personal beliefs. Whether I disagree with them and their reasons for having them or not, it's still their right to have any opinion they wish. The part I disapprove of is when unfounded claims can potentially damage people's lives. I think any reasonable person would agree with that.

I agree with you on that point. As I am a reasonable person.:D

Explanations take on different meanings sometimes depending on how you are looking at things. If we were allowed to talk about certain topics, this thread could get either very hairy or be really interesting.

The assumption I was refering to was post #27.

[Suproman77]

I agree with you on that point. As I am a reasonable person.:D

Explanations take on different meanings sometimes depending on how you are looking at things. If we were allowed to talk about certain topics, this thread could get either very hairy or be really interesting.

The assumption I was refering to was post #27.

Right, well, I try not to get into those kinds of discussions anymore anyway. They never seem to end well which is why they were banned in the first place.

Too much of this:crazyguymixed with this :Devil:FM usually leads to this:boxer:BITCHand ends like this http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/abim_album/banned2.jpg.

Capice? :D

[jazzandmetal?]

Right, well, I try not to get into those kinds of discussions anymore anyway. They never seem to end well which is why they were banned in the first place.

Too much of this:crazyguymixed with this :Devil:FM usually leads to this:boxer:BITCHand ends like this http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/abim_album/banned2.jpg.

Capice? :D

Well, I am still uncertain as to what topic these 2 get discussed in.:crazyguy

There are so many bannable ( real word? ) topics they could fall under depending on how you look at them.;)

[Suproman77]

i was conceived at area 51 and i think thats why i have such a fetish for ernie ball super slinky 9's

They make a helluva wah pedal, I'll tell you that much. :D

[roomservice]

Well, we'd really have no way of knowing just how rare or not events like this would be if aliens were, in fact, real and visiting our planet. Plane crashes are rare....and yet, everytime one happens, no matter where in the world it happens, it's all over the news.

Let's say that if an alien craft were to crash land anywhere on our planet in this day in age...how would the governments of the world ever be able to cover that up in time? In 1948, it might have been quite a bit easier, but now, with everyone and their brother owning a camera and camcorder, even right on their cell phones that they carry around at all times, it would be nearly impossible to avoid detection. Doesn't it seem odd to you that something like Roswell hasn't happened again in our modern times? Why not? Maybe because it couldn't.

.....

maybe the poor aliens just had a crap spaceship in '48?

[donnyjaguar]

Ever notice the bigfoot sightings started shortly after Roswell? :)

In all seriousness, I think we're more likely to find a living or dead bigfoot than an alien.

[jay42]

The one hypothesis I've heard that rings true, is the notion that they (Skunkworks) were testing a light weight vehicle and the crew were dwarfs and/or midgets. Think about how well that would have gone over with the public.

[EricPeterson]

The one hypothesis I've heard that rings true, is the notion that they (Skunkworks) were testing a light weight vehicle and the crew were dwarfs and/or midgets. Think about how well that would have gone over with the public.


That has a lot more explanatory power, for me, than the alien theories. do you have any sources for this information? I find it interesting and want to follow up.

[macheesmo3]

I believe in the old saying " extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."
If I say , " the thing in my yard was probably a bear" Then I just need to prove that bears are found in my area and have been spotted in peoples yards . If I live in Montana , not too tough to prove . ( If I live in Hawaii , that's something different )
Now if I say " the thing in my yard was a Sasquatch" I am entering a territory where I really need to present extraordinary proof ( fur , footprints , a body , DNA) stuff like that for my claim to have some merit .

I don't know what happened at Roswell. The lover of life in me hopes it was alien bodies and they are kept in a secret bunker at Area 51. But the logical person in me goes , " The govt can't keep secrets worth a damn , and are much more likely to have crashed something " Think of it like this , secret balloon project , crash landing, part of the military doesn't even know about it so they make a premature press release , the brass freaks out that they have exposed a secret operation. Sounds like typical military SNAFU to me !!

[OlAndrew]

Trying to understand Roswell, you have to remember the context of the times. 1948...our space program consisted of trying to shoot off captured V2's or copies designed by captured German scientists. ALL electronics were tube and mechanical relay contraptions, barring a few rectifier diodes Radar was inaccurate, limited range and unreliable. A television set was the size of a small piano, and after carefully fiddling with nearly a dozen dials, you might get a fuzzy snowy picture on the 6 or 11" screen. If the station was on, most were only running during what is now prime time. The most exotic metals we had were aluminum and stainless steel. The Air Force had a few small, comparatively slow jet fighters, everything else was propellor driven.

At the same time, there were a lot of UFO sightings, many well documented. (U = unidentified. does not instantly imply anthropologists from Aldebaran ) There were groups of lights seen flying in formation over many major East Coast cities, with many photographs and some newsreel movies, even, of them. The term 'flying saucer' came from sightings of objects flying with a sort of wobbling, like a badly thrown frisbee or saucer. THere were numerous photos of distant shiney objects in the sky. Unfortunately, anything with any detail was proven to be a hoax.

This was the beginning of the Cold War, and the threat of nuclear attack by bombing planes. Since radar was unreliable, there was 'Project Skywatch" in which all major citites had lots of folks on rooftops and up towers with binoculars and radios, watching the sky and calling in anything unusual they saw. Fighters were scrambled several times a week. Most 'bogies' were found to be airliners off course or private planes who hadn't filed a flight plan, but there were others, well reported, where the fighter pilots had visual contact but the bogie either disappeared or flew away at astonishing speed. There was even a case where one of the pursuit planes exploded. (shot down? early jet sucked a bird? secret airforce mission defending itself? who knows?) So there was a lot of public buzz and thought about the UFO idea.

My family was one of those that saved magazines. We had every National Geo back to the founding of the Society, all the Life magazines but one, most of the news mags, and important newpapers of the time. In late childhood/early teens, I hunted out references to Roswell in the accounts of the times. That was a long time ago, but I do remember in quite respectable publications, reports of fragments of unknown metals and what was possibly unknown technology. Most speculaton ran to the alien ship idea, but I DON"T remember any reference to bodies or any other direct evidence of alien beings.

We really don't know much about what goes on in the air. We fly, but trying to observe aerial phenomena from an airplane is like trying to study a seagull from the cockpit of a Salt Flats racer at full bore. I suspect that most 'sightings' are simply normal aerial events the we have no understanding of, due to lack of adequate observation.

Roswell, though, was an object. My belief, and it is no more than belief, is that it was an alien ship, perhaps an unmanned (uncreatured? whatever) probe. Maybe the only one ever known on Earth.

[Suproman77]

maybe the poor aliens just had a crap spaceship in '48?

Yeah, but whatever happened to the 'they don't make em like they used to' line?

:D

[roomservice]

Yeah, but whatever happened to the 'they don't make em like they used to' line?

:D


:rotflmao

[jay42]

That has a lot more explanatory power, for me, than the alien theories. do you have any sources for this information? I find it interesting and want to follow up.I think that's from The History Channel. I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't done a few episodes on Roswell.

Coverups seem to be 2nd nature for some people and organizations. I was just reading an article about the Titanic. In 2005, an archivist at the company that built it, coughed up an internal investigation document from 1913 or so...only after some group came to the same conclusion...which was, the hull was too thin by a quarter of an inch and the rivets were too small by an eighth. They had modified the original design to save weight and make it faster. The decision to blame the captain was to intended to reduce settlement costs. From 10,000 feet, you can't re-run the test to know if the conclusion was correct, but the need to cover it up for 92 years is remarkable. As to Roswell, 1948 is only 60 years ago. There might a number of people floating about who would be vilified were the truth to be known.

[VaughnC]

Roswell Crash Debris,

was it Intelligent Extra-Terestrial Life or just a Weather Balloon?

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Neither, most likely a secret government project foul up of some sort.

We had a local similar experience in 1965 in Kecksburg, PA. According to the government, no object existed or was recovered, but a few locals actually touched it. Go figure.

[InGodWeTrust]

My Uncle was on the Air Force UFO tracking team for 2 years.They exist.........and what the public knows isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

[Suproman77]

My Uncle was on the Air Force UFO tracking team for 2 years.They exist.........and what the public knows isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would deny the existence of UFO's....unidentified flying objects. We know they are there and we can't identitfy what they are, BUT it's a bit of a stretch to say that they are actually alien beings from another planet. Until someone can produce an actual alien craft or the aliens themselves, they're always going to be UFO's and nothing more.

[ski_fast]

In the past few days lots of secret UFO documents have been released in Britain. An American pilot flying in England during the cold war was scrambled with pre-cleared orders to shoot a UFO. This had NEVER happened before. He flew to altitude and saw a huge UFO that was giving off a radar signature as big as an aircraft carrier. He said his missile system pretty much locked itself on target. While in visual range the object went from a standing postion to over 7,400 MPH and disappeared. The next day he was debriefed by a well dressed man that ordered him never to repeat what he saw. Now the pilot is over 70 years old. Hopefully more of these pilots will come forward before they die. This one story pretty much made me a believer. Note: corrections made... see the link to the article below...

[daddyo]

In the past few days lots of secret UFO documents have been released in Britain. A British pilot during the cold war was scrambled with pre-cleared orders to shoot a UFO. This had NEVER happened before. He flew to altitude and saw a huge UFO that was giving off a radar signature as big as an aircraft carrier. He said his missile system pretty much locked itself on target. While in visual range the object went from a standing postion to over 7,400 MPH and disappeared. The next day he was debriefed by a well dressed man that ordered him never to repeat what he saw. Now the pilot is over 70 years old. Hopefully more of these pilots will come forward before they die. This one story pretty much made me a believer.
I'm suprised they didn't use the neuralizer on him.

[Randy]

My Uncle was on the Air Force UFO tracking team for 2 years.They exist.........and what the public knows isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

Can you give us some hints? What would be the harm in telling a bit?

[Hamertoe]

I bumped in to this info when referencing Barry Goldwater a few years back. I found it interesting.

Goldwater and UFOs

Goldwater was one of the more prominent American politicans to openly show an interest in UFOs.

He replied to several letters from his constituents, regarding UFO-related questions, dating to at least as early as 1974. In an official letter printed on U.S. Senate letterhead, dated March 28, 1975, Goldwater wrote to Shlomo Arnon: "The subject of UFOs has interested me for some long time. About ten or twelve years ago I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base where the information has been stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request. It is still classified above Top Secret." Goldwater further wrote that there were rumors the evidence would be released, and that he was "just as anxious to see this material as you are, and I hope we will not have to wait much longer."

The April 25, 1988 issue of The New Yorker carried an interview with Goldwater, wherin he elaborated on the account hinted at in the letter to Arnon. Goldwater says he repeatedly asked his friend, Gen. Curtis LeMay, if there was any truth to the rumors that UFO evidence was stored in a secret room at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and if he (Goldwater) might have access to the room. According to Goldwater, an angry LeMay gave him "holy hell" and said, "Not only can't you get into it but don't you ever mention it to me again."

In a 1988 interview on Larry King's radio show, Goldwater was asked if he thought the U.S. Government was witholding UFO evidence; he replied "Yes I do," and added that he believed there were alien life forms.

http://www.biblio.com/authors/705/Barry_Goldwater_Biography.html

[MBreinin]

Trust No One.

[bowie3141]

i think i'm surrounded by aliens...i'm not saying i'm just saying...

[TNJ]

Swamp Gas? ...Dont bet on it, Meat Sock! :D

S.
j

[Brian D]

In the past few days lots of secret UFO documents have been released in Britain. A British pilot during the cold war was scrambled with pre-cleared orders to shoot a UFO. This had NEVER happened before. He flew to altitude and saw a huge UFO that was giving off a radar signature as big as an aircraft carrier. He said his missile system pretty much locked itself on target. While in visual range the object went from a standing postion to over 7,400 MPH and disappeared. The next day he was debriefed by a well dressed man that ordered him never to repeat what he saw. Now the pilot is over 70 years old. Hopefully more of these pilots will come forward before they die. This one story pretty much made me a believer.According to this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27279684/) article, it was an American pilot flying out from a base in London.I'm suprised they didn't use the neuralizer on him.Actually, reports of the "Men in Black" go back to the 1950's. That is where the idea for the movie came from. I don't think the neuralizer has ever been mentioned though. ;)

[Boobala]

http://nefarious-240z.com/Pub/Weather-Balloon.jpg

[jazzandmetal?]

http://nefarious-240z.com/pub/weather-balloon.jpg

lol!

[Memorex]

Just so they register with immigration services before January 15, or they're illegal aliens.

[Frater B]

Well, we'd really have no way of knowing just how rare or not events like this would be if aliens were, in fact, real and visiting our planet. Plane crashes are rare....and yet, everytime one happens, no matter where in the world it happens, it's all over the news.

Let's say that if an alien craft were to crash land anywhere on our planet in this day in age...how would the governments of the world ever be able to cover that up in time? In 1948, it might have been quite a bit easier, but now, with everyone and their brother owning a camera and camcorder, even right on their cell phones that they carry around at all times, it would be nearly impossible to avoid detection. Doesn't it seem odd to you that something like Roswell hasn't happened again in our modern times? Why not? Maybe because it couldn't.

So, I just don't think there's really anything to these stories. Now, the supposed photographic and video evidence that pops up every now and again...I don't pretend to know what those are, but to make the leap that they are alien visitors from another planet? I couldn't make that leap.

I guess that part does not seem odd to me.
It would be amazing if it happened once.

To be honest Maybe the poll choices could have been better.
I wanted to keep it as simple as possible. I didn't mean to suggest
that there were "Beings" found at the site, I don't know, but perhaps
the debris found was not from earth?


100% experimental long-distance sound detector with Radar reflector suspended from a weather balloon (aka Project Mogul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul)).

Studying Cosmic Rays, very well could be the truth.




I just find the whole idea of aliens visiting our planet in vehicles so preposterous that the odds of it being an actual crash are astronomically low in my own mind.

I agree the odds are low, very low.


I don't think anyone in their right mind would deny the existence of UFO's....unidentified flying objects. We know they are there and we can't identitfy what they are, BUT it's a bit of a stretch to say that they are actually alien beings from another planet. Until someone can produce an actual alien craft or the aliens themselves, they're always going to be UFO's and nothing more.

Agree, I have seen a ufo, does not mean it was not of this earth.

My Uncle was on the Air Force UFO tracking team for 2 years.They exist.........and what the public knows isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

So if this is not even the tip of the iceberg. There must be something in
everyday life that has advanced mankind in some area. We must have or
are reverse engineering what ever has been recovered. Just a thought.
Any parts of a conversation with your uncle you can share with us, or pm me, pretty please? :)


In the past few days lots of secret UFO documents have been released in Britain. A British pilot during the cold war was scrambled with pre-cleared orders to shoot a UFO. This had NEVER happened before. He flew to altitude and saw a huge UFO that was giving off a radar signature as big as an aircraft carrier. He said his missile system pretty much locked itself on target. While in visual range the object went from a standing postion to over 7,400 MPH and disappeared. The next day he was debriefed by a well dressed man that ordered him never to repeat what he saw. Now the pilot is over 70 years old. Hopefully more of these pilots will come forward before they die. This one story pretty much made me a believer.


Very similar to a report I read (translated) years ago from an Iranian pilot
who claimed to have tried to shoot a ufo down and it would not fire.
He was unable to control the plane while the object was in sight. From
what I recall he was very close to the ufo and described it well. The ufo
had control of the plane. Once the ufo left the controls worked again.
I would like to track that one down and read it again.


Thanks to everyone for taking the pole and being civil in this discussion!

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[jakeddy]

If they were Extra-Terestrial Life and honestly Intelligent why would they have come here? Hey let's pick out a planet where the inhabitance kill each other and go there for vacation.

The crash site was in a cow pasture and the only thing I know for sure that's in a cow pasture is what was at the crash site.

[Tonefish]

My Uncle was on the Air Force UFO tracking team for 2 years.They exist.........and what the public knows isn't even the tip of the iceberg.

Well yeah....everything that flies is a UFO until it is identified!

And the Air Force sure as hell had better be paying damned close attention to them, because any foreign or hostile aircraft that would try to come into our air space is going to try to come in unidentified.

Now coming from another planet, that's a whole different.............

[candh]

Hey, I have an official "Alien Registration Card".........Yes, I kid you not!



Might actually come in handy one day.:AOK

[Frater B]

So, just why does anybody think it's aliens, anyhow? It was just a bunch of debris with fancy metal or composites (I'm guessing some sort of titanium alloy or carbon fiber....both not very well known at the time). I'm just not sure how aliens got involved in the whole thing. I know there were some accounts of funny looking things pulled out of the wreckage, but I'm thinking it's WAY more likely that those were just mangled animals. I don't doubt that we could very well have been doing tests out there with rockets, ramjets etc, using animals to explore what kind of stresses were survivable.

Seems reasonable to me.

buckypaper?


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