Jake Peavey Trade Rumors

[macheesmo3]

I don't know how many baseball fans we have here , but it's really starting to look liek Peavey will be moved in the next month or so. He has a no trade clause and has given permission to be traded to only 5 NL teams : Braves, Astros, Cardinals , Dodgers and Cubs.
The Astros don't have the prospects , the Cards say they aren't interested. The Dodgers are probably not going to want to move the good prospects they have. The Cubs need to move Soriano's salary if they are going to go after Peavey.
This pretty much leaves the Braves as the most likely trade partner . They have a lot of good young prospects , they also have an excess of infielders which they could use in trade .
Now , as a Braves fan , I know a pretty good bit about our farm hands . So I think that of the 10 big ones ( Hanson, Heyward ,Teheran,Flowers, Freeman, Hernandez ,Schaefer,Reyes, Morton, Parr) only 6 might be available ( Flowers, Schaefer, Hanson,Reyes , Morton, Parr) But not if Escobar or Kelly Johnson is thrown in as well( then they won't get Hanson, especially if the Padres want the Braves to take on Kahlil Greene's salary)
So any Padres fans out there? Or just good ole baseball fans got some thoughts on this ?

Oh and Go Rays !!!

[re-animator]

lifelong 'dres fan here. I have no freaking clue why the padres would want to unload peavey. He's the kind of player you build a franchise around. If he was in his mid 30s I could see it happening. But he's what, 28-29?? That's outrageous.

[John Hurtt]

lifelong 'dres fan here. I have no freaking clue why the padres would want to unload peavey. He's the kind of player you build a franchise around. If he was in his mid 30s I could see it happening. But he's what, 28-29?? That's outrageous.


The Padres aren't willing to spend the money to bring in the pieces to build a team around Peavy. So, they hope to move him to get several players in return to stock the farm and hopefully use to build with. Don't be surprised if Adrian Gonzalez goes as well.

[jzgtrguy]

The Pads being a small market team cannot afford the salaries bigging markets cab pay. Remember Kevin Brown? Played for the pads, almost won a cy young and then got traded to the Dodgers for something like $105 million USD!!!!!! Hate to see him go but I hope he gets a ring out of it. Same with Gonzales if he goes. I hope they trade him to somewhere out of our division so he can't hurt us too bad. I hate the braves though. Nothing personal, just don't like them. It might have something to do with the "mouth from the south" Ted Turner.

Mr. Moore is in the middle of a divorce and there is talk of him selling the team or an interest in the team. I wonder if that is a factor?

[re-animator]

I believe Brownie signed as a free agent with the dodgers... I remember because I think he ended up signing an $18million contract with LA. The pads offered him $16 mil.

[Frankee]

The San Diego Swap Meet Padres..............nothing new here.

[Luke]

The Braves had that good pitching under the coach that now resides in Baltimore.

[DiazDude]

Never cared for his gear.

[MuseCafeChris]

Never cared for his gear.

Wherever he ends up, I wonder if they'll do the Peavey Mod: remove his name from the back of his jersey.

Only on a guitar board would people spell Jake Peavy's last name with two Es.

[jzgtrguy]

I believe Brownie signed as a free agent with the dodgers... I remember because I think he ended up signing an $18million contract with LA. The pads offered him $16 mil.

Look at Wiki. He signed for $105 Million the largest contract in baseball history at the time.

[Lawn Jockey]

I remember when I tried to trade a Peavey back in the '80's. It wasn't pretty.....even back then.

[re-animator]

Look at Wiki. He signed for $150 Million the largest contract in baseball history at the time.

yeah, i was talking about his yearly salary.... err at least that's how i remember it.

[Stratman76]

I believe Colletti (Dodgers GM) was burned too badly by Jason Schmidt to even think about Peavy. I think it's nuts to invest so heavily in a starting pitcher- major, long-term injuries have to be expected! Even today, surgically "repaired" shoulder injuries often render a pitcher either ineffective or a truckdriver. Because pre-injury conditions are so difficult to detect, I wouldn't invest in high-priced pitching. A pitchers' mechanics are often so poorly evaluated by baseball people. I remember the Dodgers' brass traded a young pitcher named Pedro Martinez to the Montreal Expos for Delino DeShields. The word out of Chavez Ravine was Pedro was too small, his mechanics were poor and he was a serious injury waiting to happen. Well, he did finally break down- ten years and how many Cy Young awards later? That stated, for every Pedro, there are four Mark Mulders and three Barry Zitos. The Dodgers kept Pedros' brother Ramon and he lasted about one more season before breaking down and never retruning to the bigs.

As GM, I'd make every top draft pick a pitcher and develop my arms on the farm- far less to invest to find the diamonds in the rough. I'd put my big money on younger, proven hitters who can also play D (like Adrian Gonzalez). Then I'd get both Mike Marshall and Tim Lincecum's dad on retainer to train my entire player development staff on how to evaluate pitching mechanics as it applies to surgical likelihood. Ned, are you reading this? I sure as hell hope the Dodgers don't sign Peavy!

[macheesmo3]

Peavey is priced below market value though. Even with the very high 5th year option ( $22 mill) when averaged over the 5 years it comes to around $16.5 mill or so , relative to the market , that is dirt cheap !

[Smakutus]

Then I'd get both Mike Marshall and Tim Lincecum's dad on retainer to train my entire player development staff on how to evaluate pitching mechanics as it applies to surgical likelihood.

Marshall's new pitching style is too out there for anyone to take seriously until one of them makes it to the show and kicks ass.

Jeff

[Stratman76]

Peavey is priced below market value though. Even with the very high 5th year option ( $22 mill) when averaged over the 5 years it comes to around $16.5 mill or so , relative to the market , that is dirt cheap !

On the shear basis of Peavy's existing injury history, I'd say he has about a 70% chance of suffering a major injury in the next five years. With Tommy John surgery, he may come back better but he's basically gone for almost two years. Labrum or rotator cuff? He may come back sooner but he'll likely never be the same (certainly not worth 16.5 million a season).

The three probable seasons I get out of that five year deal will net out to 27.5 mil a productive season. That's no bargain! The risk is way too high.

[telecopter]

I'd love to see the Cubs get him... I grew up in San Diego and was a fan (still am) of the Pods since their Pacific Coast League days. They've always been pretty cheap, except when Ray Kroc owned them.

[ford]

I'd love to see the Cubs get him... I grew up in San Diego and was a fan (still am) of the Pods since their Pacific Coast League days. They've always been pretty cheap, except when Ray Kroc owned them.

He's already been a Padre.. does he have to suffer through being a Cub also? I kid.. I kid.... well, not about the Cubs..:D

[macheesmo3]

On the shear basis of Peavy's existing injury history, I'd say he has about a 70% chance of suffering a major injury in the next five years. With Tommy John surgery, he may come back better but he's basically gone for almost two years. Labrum or rotator cuff? He may come back sooner but he'll likely never be the same (certainly not worth 16.5 million a season).

The three probable seasons I get out of that five year deal will net out to 27.5 mil a productive season. That's no bargain! The risk is way too high.

In this day and age no pitchers would ever get signed if all GM's did was sweat injury potential . I think pitchers are overpaid too due to their high injury risk , but the truth of the matter is that The Braves need pitching badly. They need young pitching badly . The young pitchers we have are either 2 or more years away or aren't looking to hot . Peavey's low price tag in the first 3 years is worth the risk. The last year is a team option , so if he gets hurt , they just don't trigger it !

[Stratman76]

I'd love to see the Cubs get him... I grew up in San Diego and was a fan (still am) of the Pods since their Pacific Coast League days. They've always been pretty cheap, except when Ray Kroc owned them.

That would be a perfect signing for the Cubs! But somehow, they squeezed two years out of Lilly. And Zambrano might be on life support but he's still kickin'. BTW- I read today that Adrian Gonzalez isn't going anywhere (smart move to keep him).

[macheesmo3]

I am thinking that if the Braves get Peavey( and agree to take Khalil Greene's salary and save a prospect) they will have around $29 million or so left to get another pitcher and a power hitting LF bat. I was hoping to try for Lowe and then aim for Dunn for LF. ( i want no part of Burrel's streakiness)
Honestly though, I think we will end up with Raul Ibanez in LF and probably grab a guy like Randy Wolf , Oliver Perez ... something like that. This would probably leave us around $10 million to spend come trade deadline time . Where the chances for improvement might be greater .
But then again , our GM could surprise us with a AJ Burnett signing.

[Stratman76]

OK Braves fan...what do you think about forwarding this list to Frank Wren?

Elite Free Agent-
Derek Lowe (but not for more than three years at this point in his career)

Worth a call to see what it would take to pry them away…
Zach Greinke, Yovanni Gallardo, John Danks, Brandon Morrow, Max Scherzer

Good values and more obtainable…
Scott Baker, Ricky Nolasco, Gavin Floyd, Nick Blackburn, Jared Weaver

Obtainable for a fair offer…
Todd Wellemeyer, Mike Pelfry, Dana Eveland

Take a shot on...
Rich Hill (a different scene and pitching coach could work wonders), Oliver Perez (see Rich Hill), Anthony Reyes, and Randy Wolf if the price is right.

[FlyingDutchman]

I thought there were some talks of the Red Sox interested in Peavey. I was hoping he would come here to fill the Schilling spot in the rotation.

[macheesmo3]

OK Braves fan...what do you think about forwarding this list to Frank Wren?

Elite Free Agent-
Derek Lowe (but not for more than three years at this point in his career)

Worth a call to see what it would take to pry them away…
Zach Greinke, Yovanni Gallardo, John Danks, Brandon Morrow, Max Scherzer

Good values and more obtainable…
Scott Baker, Ricky Nolasco, Gavin Floyd, Nick Blackburn, Jared Weaver

Obtainable for a fair offer…
Todd Wellemeyer, Mike Pelfry, Dana Eveland

Take a shot on...
Rich Hill (a different scene and pitching coach could work wonders), Oliver Perez (see Rich Hill), Anthony Reyes, and Randy Wolf if the price is right.


If the Peavey deal falls through I would love for us to try and pry Matt Cain from the Giants. Just a thought.
The names on your list are interesting ( I would also add Mark Prior as he is going to finally be healthy , I wouldn't mind taking a shot at him if the price was right ).

As far as the BoSox and Peavey , he has given out a list of the 5 teams he would accept a trade to( he has full no trade clause ) and they were all in the NL. He has said , he would "consider" other offers. My guess is this means that if none of the 5 on his list can get a deal done , he will then start considering other teams ( but they are going to have to probably trigger his $22mill option year and give him full no trade clause for the whole contract or double his buyout )

[jzgtrguy]

Peavey is priced below market value though. Even with the very high 5th year option ( $22 mill) when averaged over the 5 years it comes to around $16.5 mill or so , relative to the market , that is dirt cheap !


When players make these crazy mega deals for all the money I'd curious to know how that is paid out. First if I was a GM I'd front load the contract so that if I had to trade him later the lions share of the contract is paid making it easier to trade him. Second, I'd bet these are annuitized and paid out over a very long time. Just thinking out loud.

[Smakutus]

When players make these crazy mega deals for all the money I'd curious to know how that is paid out. First if I was a GM I'd front load the contract so that if I had to trade him later the lions share of the contract is paid making it easier to trade him.

They don't seem to do that a lot of the time. Maybe the players like making "more" money each year rather than "less".. This is why teams end up paying part of a players salary for the team they end up trading them to later on.

Second, I'd bet these are annuitized and paid out over a very long time. Just thinking out loud.Some of them are but not all of them.

Jeff

[Greggy]

Word here in St. Louis is that Colby Rasmuss is being discussed as compensation for Peavey. Don't think that will happen, though.