I see dead deer dying every day beside the highways of America ....

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

.... and upset or dead people in cars nearby with bent bumpers and broken windshields. http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/frown.gif

This is beginning to be a big problem. :messedup

[XKnight]

Overpopulation of the herd. It needs thinning.

[Bones]

deer qaeda?

[macheesmo3]

I live in South Mississippi ( so I see a lot of roadside deer anyway) but I have to admit , the numbers are strong this year. I have sen deer near my house in places they've never been spotted before. ( a near record deer was killed already this year in the northerm part of the state) Sounds like a good year to be a hunter !

[RichieRich]

Hunting is necessary.

[mouldynudger]

Overpopulation of the herd. It needs thinning.

Unfortunately, the safety of modern cars mean that it`s the deer that die.

Damian.

[yellowecho]

you see dead deer dying?!!:eek:
how are they dying if they're dead?:dunno

[Bo Faulkner]

More than ever here.. When I was a kid you hardly ever saw deer.. now my parents have a herd that live in their yard. Development actually helps them to thrive. They dont really like deep woods. Basically just wild billy goats

[Bill Brasky]

Hunting is necessary.

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

There are too many 'save Bambi' groups. :messedup

[Midnight Lady]

Deer travel to find water and food. Then we build freeways and highways straight through their territory. They don't understand that they should stop and wait for the cars to go by before following their normal route.

I know it thins the herd and understand the reason for it, I just hate it in the springtime when you know there are young ones somewhere without a mother (no, I'm not a save bambi person - just feel sorry for the babies).

[rob2001]

Yep, I see several per day on the road here in Wisconsin. They had a 2 or 3 day antler-less hunt two weeks ago.

I wonder if there are any programs for donating deer to food pantries?

[jtm622]

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

Would you mind posting a link or two to some websites discussing that?

[The_Whale]

I haven't seen as many this year, last year was crazy.

[90wreck]

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

There are too many 'save Bambi' groups. :messedup
Oh boy...:knitting
They are are on the side of the road everywhere here as well.
You can get on the "list" at the sheriffs office to take one when they are reported hit and dead.
I have two friends that have acreage....They are everywhere.
At the farm I could have shot one everynight...But I don't hunt.(O.k.....the squirrels this past summer...getting ready to plink a few more.
They are invading the city.:worried
Really)
No need to, everybody here has plenty of venison to give away.

[rattles]

Let's hope this slows you down a bit on your drive to and from work!
(After posting pics from your 'dash cam' last week!!!)

[BluesForDan]

Our deer are doing too well. I've been driving for more than 30 years. I've always lived in the same area. For the first 15 years I've had my license, I never saw one deer. In the last 18 years, I've hit 3 and can't even begin to count the near misses. Some have happened within 2 blocks of my house. I live in a matured suburban development, one mile from a 6 lane highway.

The situation got worse after all the towns around us declared themselves DOT urban compact, so rifle/shotgun hunters could not shoot on their lands. The smallest yards in the town next door is 2 acres. How is that urban compact?

My friend who lives 2 towns over has often told me about herds of deer, as many as 9 at a time, in his yard. We have an overpopulation crisis, and there are misguided people who feed these promiscuous, fecund critters, either intentionally or indirectly via bird feed (also a bad idea).

I think it is time to have unlimited takes during hunting season, or eliminate the season all together and allow hunting all year long. Sorry to those who think these are blessed little bambies, but they are both a nuisance and threat to life and property.

[WurstBurst]

About 10 years ago, I had a suicidal deer attack my car the day after I bought it new. How does one deer hit the front bumper, hood and all three side panels? They must have a practice camp or something because their accuracy is uncanny.

In any case, consider it natural selection. In a few decades, any deer with the inclination to jump in front of large moving objects will have been culled from the population and all the deer left will be naturally adverse to jumping across highways.

:)

[rah3]

.... and upset or dead people in cars nearby with bent bumpers and broken windshields. http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/frown.gif

This is beginning to be a big problem. :messedup

Lymes is a big problem here in NY and the NE in general. I had it this last year. There was a bicyclist killed in East Hampton when a car hit a deer, and flying deer hit and killed the bicyclist!!

They have eaten thousands of dollars of our plants and garden food.

ALL DEER must die!

I wish someone would feed them on the railroad tracks and have the trains run over them en mass!

-RAH3

[rob2001]

Our deer are doing too well. I've been driving for more than 30 years. I've always lived in the same area. For the first 15 years I've had my license, I never saw one deer. In the last 18 years, I've hit 3 and can't even begin to count the near misses. Some have happened within 2 blocks of my house. I live in a matured suburban development, one mile from a 6 lane highway.

The situation got worse after all the towns around us declared themselves DOT urban compact, so rifle/shotgun hunters could not shoot on their lands. The smallest yards in the town next door is 2 acres. How is that urban compact?

My friend who lives 2 towns over has often told me about herds of deer, as many as 9 at a time, in his yard. We have an overpopulation crisis, and there are misguided people who feed these promiscuous, fecund critters, either intentionally or indirectly via bird feed (also a bad idea).

I think it is time to have unlimited takes during hunting season, or eliminate the season all together and allow hunting all year long. Sorry to those who think these are blessed little bambies, but they are both a nuisance and threat to life and property.


When I was a kid in the early 70's we had a cabin in Upper Michigan. The deer herds were at least 100 strong..... on each side of the road!

I'm not sure if the herds are that big now.... the wolves are back.

[wahfreak]

because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

all deer must die!

I wish someone would feed them on the railroad tracks and have the trains run over them en mass!


wtf!!

[eBay]

Such benign creatures incapable of harming anyone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy9EpuCb3g4

[BluesForDan]

When I was a kid in the early 70's we had a cabin in Upper Michigan. The deer herds were at least 100 strong..... on each side of the road!

I'm not sure if the herds are that big now.... the wolves are back.

and wherever the wolves come back, you have farmers complaining that they need to kill the wolves because they eat the snacks, er, I mean the farm animals in their wrappers, er, pens.

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

Let's hope this slows you down a bit on your drive to and from work!
(After posting pics from your 'dash cam' last week!!!)





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[wixedmords]

Sounds like you are near the Pennsylvania turnpike.

Animals are about getting ready for winter, look for eyes at night. Be aware all.

[fetishfrog]

I think Ohio allows up to 4 deer tags this year for hunting. My dad's going to get one with his bow. He has a large buck that frequents his backyard in suburban Cincy.

[90wreck]

I think Ohio allows up to 4 deer tags this year for hunting. My dad's going to get one with his bow. He has a large buck that frequents his backyard in suburban Cincy.
Hopefully out the kitchen window.
Around here in Ohio, it is that easy.

[scottlr]

I've seen several over the last few weeks on the side of the road. When I was growing up in SE Texas, I never ever saw deer or rabbits in town at all. Here, we have both as well as coons and opossums and other critters everywhere. I kind of like having them around to look at, except when I am in my car and they are on the road.

[cottoneyedjoe]

Such loveable creatures AND tasty too.:) Actually that is a joke. Do not take it the wrong way....

In certain states of the southeast there has been a population boom for deer. It is also rutting season (mating). They get more antsy by the day now. Also overpopulation breeds disease among deer.

Ever see a deer kill a cow? I have. Not pretty.

If you think they won't hurt you, walk up on a ten point buck in rutting season and see what happens to you when you scare him. Not good.

Although I personally do not hunt, and I find it distasteful, to me it is important that it happens where I live. Therefore I put up with it. Conservation of the species is very important. Also there are programs that hunters work with to provide much needed food for the citizens of our area. When you live in the poorest counties of a state hunters will often give the meat to the local food banks.

[The_Whale]

I wish someone would feed them on the railroad tracks and have the trains run over them en mass!


If it makes you feel better, I've often seen deer killed by trains around here.

[fetishfrog]

Hopefully out the kitchen window.
Around here in Ohio, it is that easy.

Last time I was home we sat and watched them from the bay window in the kitchen. They were out of bow range then, but a 15 second walk would have changed that. I hope he gets one...I want some venison sausages.

[HeeHaw]

A woman near me died due to a deer coming through her windshield when she was driving on the highway. I'm sorry their habitat has been invaded, but when I see a dead deer on the side of the road I cannot help to think "better them than me." I live in a rural area and vehicles striking deer are pretty commonplace. IMO, deer are just pretty rodents that you can eat.:D

[Luke]

Overpopulation of the herd. It needs thinning.

I could not agree more, all the more reason to do away with all social programs. Darwinism, it could work with people too!

[AnthonyL]

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

???

Coyotes are at an all time high currently.

[RichieRich]

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/26/jerky.jpg

[JohnK24]

Unfortunately, the safety of modern cars mean that it`s the deer that die.

Damian.

Nothing UNFORTUNATE about the safety of the modern cars...thank God they are engineered to protect the driver/occupants. The deer are collateral damage, end of story. We need to expand hunting seasons and raise the limits to allow harvesting of these animals to protect motorists.

[XKnight]

I could not agree more, all the more reason to do away with all social programs. Darwinism, it could work with people too!

I have no issues with that. However, we are treading on thin ice if we pursue these topics.

[HeeHaw]

Roanoke city's water supply is less than 1/4 mile from where I live and no hunting is allowed, so it is overrun by deer. These are the same deer that are protected by the city's "bambi lover, no hunting law". I wish they'd let hunters go apeshit on that property for one extended long season.:BITCH

[John Hurtt]

.... and upset or dead people in cars nearby with bent bumpers and broken windshields. http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/frown.gif

This is beginning to be a big problem. :messedup


"Every day"?

[UndergroundVint]

Roanoke city's water supply is less than 1/4 mile from where I live and no hunting is allowed, so it is overrun by deer. These are the same deer that are protected by the city's "bambi lover, no hunting law". I wish they'd let hunters go apeshit on that property for one extended long season.:BITCH

I can't think of a single state that has been influenced in anyway by "bambi lovers" in regards to deer hunting. Different areas are managed for different reasons. If there is no hunting in your area it probably has more to do with protecting the water supply from pollution and shell casings. There's simply no way some PETA memeber convinced a Virgina city to "save the deer".

[marsellus]

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

I bet there were no deer on the 'dinosaur dance floor'

:)

[dave s]

Agree from first hand experience. My car was repaired for the SECOND time since late July due to deer 'incidents.' Stupid wenches!

First one was on OH Rte 2 heading east and away from the Lake Erie Islands where we had just finished up a gig. $8335 and 4 weeks later, my RAV4 looked like a brand spankin' new vehicle again.

I hadn't had the car back for 3 weeks when Bambi's mom decides to haul ass out in front of me (from the left, of course!) and bought the farm right then and there. Not quite as bad from a damage point of view ... <$5k damage this time, but another week and a half of not having a vehicle and paying for a rental.

It's a real 'chore' driving around NE Ohio and W PA with your head on a constant swivel looking for the bastards to bolt out in front of your vehicle.

Cull the herd? You BETCHA!!!

dave

[Bones]

The roadsides around here are littered with deer carcasses. It's currently bow season for deer, but the deer seem hip to the idea and sometimes you will actually see big bucks walking along the roads past the trucks of hunters that are parked on the shoulder while the owners are in the woods looking for them. i have posted many pics here of does, bucks and fawns in my yard all year long, I would love to have a bow hunter use my second floor deck as a deer stand and bag a couple, but it's illegal.

[cram]

there are more deer now than ever since they've started to count.

always pay attention on the road and especially at dusk and dawn for things like this.

I have atleast 5 meals containing vennison each year.

[skydog]

If they'd just learn to cross the roads near the deer xing signs they'd be a lot better off!

[kidmandude]

Yep, I see several per day on the road here in Wisconsin. They had a 2 or 3 day antler-less hunt two weeks ago.

I wonder if there are any programs for donating deer to food pantries?


Yes there's many programs, I will post again later tonight. There's tons of options!! And this is a serious topic by the way!

[Bones]

If they'd just learn to cross the roads near the deer xing signs they'd be a lot better off!


I know there are times when a deer will literally run head first into the side of a car, which could never be avoided, but based on what I see on a regular basis and the fact that I have never hit one, i have to think that inattentive drivers are a large factor in these accidents.

[Luke]

Were you speeding? Do you ave those whistle things installed to inform the deer you're coming?


Agree from first hand experience. My car was repaired for the SECOND time since late July due to deer 'incidents.' Stupid wenches!

First one was on OH Rte 2 heading east and away from the Lake Erie Islands where we had just finished up a gig. $8335 and 4 weeks later, my RAV4 looked like a brand spankin' new vehicle again.

I hadn't had the car back for 3 weeks when Bambi's mom decides to haul ass out in front of me (from the left, of course!) and bought the farm right then and there. Not quite as bad from a damage point of view ... <$5k damage this time, but another week and a half of not having a vehicle and paying for a rental.

It's a real 'chore' driving around NE Ohio and W PA with your head on a constant swivel looking for the bastards to bolt out in front of your vehicle.

Cull the herd? You BETCHA!!!

dave

[Sparky6string]

At least the squirrels are on our side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRBVh8ZPUyg&feature=related

[Dr Git]

I don't miss dodging deer in NY. now that I live in Florida, I haven't even seen a deer.

[kidmandude]

???

Coyotes are at an all time high currently.

Even coyotes are in high demand, to hunt for money. Many states are giving bounty scores @ $25 per coyote. You have to show there snouts to cash in!! Yes that's sorta gross..

[clothwiring]

My carpool buddy hit one a few weeks ago on our way in to work.

[BluesForDan]

All my deer hits have been into the sides of my car. Nothing you can do about those. I've yet to hit one with my bumper or hood.

[RiseofRock]

Such benign creatures incapable of harming anyone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy9EpuCb3g4
That deer is badass :boxer

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

Deer are out roaming around all hours of the day now .... I thought it used to be they would hide out in the day and then terrorize during the night? :confused:

[MuseCafeChris]

I see more and more billboards for Oriental spas along the highways in Michigan.

Just thought I'd mention. Carry on ....

[MBreinin]

I remember about 5 years ago or so there was some serious flooding in the woodlands surrounding the West Baton Rouge area. I was driving through one night, about 10 miles west of Baton Rouge. All of the deer had come out of the woods along I-10 to avoid the flooding, the sides of the interstate were high and dry. For about 3 miles there were literally tens of thousands of deer lining the highway. None of them were in the road itself. It was like driving through the Twilight Zone. One of the most bizarre things I have ever seen.

Mike

[EndOfSystem]

"I see dead deer"

http://www.earwaxvibrations.com/uploaded_images/bw3-767164.jpg

[ChickenLover]

I don't miss dodging deer in NY. now that I live in Florida, I haven't even seen a deer.
There are tons of deer in Florida. I live very close to a small river in central Florida...the river has woods on both sides. Deer come into my yard at night (apparently they like Hibiscus) and I see them all the time when I walk the dog down at the retention pond. But I haven't seen an increase in the 13 years I've lived there.

We have a lot of wild hogs near the central east coast too.

[BIGGERSTAFF]

Unfortunately, the safety of modern cars mean that it`s the deer that die.

Damian.

Yup, it's just not a fair exchange ratio.:jo

[localmotion411]

I live in South Mississippi ( so I see a lot of roadside deer anyway) but I have to admit , the numbers are strong this year. I have sen deer near my house in places they've never been spotted before. ( a near record deer was killed already this year in the northerm part of the state) Sounds like a good year to be a hunter !

I'm in Madison, and I'm seeing a lot as well around the state. Went to Nashville last week, and coming back on Sunday I saw at least 20-30 between Madison and Nashville.

It is a sad thing to happen, but for the human race to thrive as it has as the most dominant species of creature on the planet, this is the kind of thing that is going to happen.

Anyone says that hunting is wrong is kidding themselves, and is in many cases the same person that eats a hamburger or steak without a second thought as to how mercilessly that cow was slaughtered to provide that meal.

[rob2001]

Yes there's many programs, I will post again later tonight. There's tons of options!! And this is a serious topic by the way!



I was being serious! Seems like a win/win situation. Hunters want kill things, the deer population is way out of hand, there are hungry people everywhere....

The only issue would be if the hunter likes venison and doesn't want to "donate" his kill.

[pfflam]

Yep, I see several per day on the road here in Wisconsin. They had a 2 or 3 day antler-less hunt two weeks ago.

I wonder if there are any programs for donating deer to food pantries?
What about the wasting desease there in Wisconsin?

I remember teaching there in WI. I thought it was funny that every year there were nine days when all the students could just leave class . . it was understood that hunting season was sacred, nothing gets in the way!!

[pfflam]

I can't think of a single state that has been influenced in anyway by "bambi lovers" in regards to deer hunting. Different areas are managed for different reasons. If there is no hunting in your area it probably has more to do with protecting the water supply from pollution and shell casings. There's simply no way some PETA memeber convinced a Virgina city to "save the deer".Seriously, I can't think of anyone, even 'animal lovers' who would believe that not hunting deer is somehow doing good for them . . . hell they're starving themselves by overeating due to the overpopulation

. . . and our garden and our Blueberry bushes and baby-cherry trees got destroyed this year . . . luckily we now have a super great ultra-hunter dog, she's a sweet pup with a cute killer streak a mile wide

[pfflam]

Even coyotes are in high demand, to hunt for money. Many states are giving bounty scores @ $25 per coyote. You have to show there snouts to cash in!! Yes that's sorta gross..We have coyotes that live in the forest right across the street from me, they threaten small dogs, in the cemetery near here, and even attacked our neighbors little yapper,. . . note that I live in the city of Portland, not in the country.

I walk in tha fores everyday with my dog and some mornings, when its foggy I'll hear them howling . . . I can also hear them howling at night.

But there are other things that live in that forest too . .


:hide

But they wear clothes . . .

[Brian D]

Fatalities on the rise in vehicle-animal crashes

Oct 30, 1:28 AM (ET)

By FREDERIC J. FROMMER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Fatalities from vehicle crashes with deer and other animals have more than doubled over the last 15 years, according to a new study by an auto insurance-funded highway safety group that cites urban sprawl overlapping into deer habitat.

The report by the Highway Loss Data Institute found that 223 people died in animal-vehicle crashes last year, up from 150 in 2000 and 101 in 1993.

Since 1993, Texas had the most deaths from such crashes, with 227, followed by Wisconsin with 123 and Pennsylvania with 112.

The Highway Loss Data Institute and its sister organization, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, looked at both insurance claims and federal crash data. According to the report, most accidents involving animals are with deer.

"Urban sprawl means suburbia and deer habitat intersect in many parts of the country," said Kim Hazelbaker, the Highway Loss Data Institute's senior vice president. "If you're driving in areas where deer are prevalent, the caution flag is out, especially in November."

The study found that insurance claims for crashes with animals is three times higher in November than it is from January to September.

"The months with the most crash deaths coincide with fall breeding season," said Anne McCartt, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's senior vice president for research.

The Governors Highway Safety Association cautioned that the numbers need to be looked at in context, citing the more than 12,000 drunk driving deaths each year.

"Deer crashes are a small highway safety problem in terms of total deaths," said the group's spokesman, Jonathan Adkins. "This problem is perceived to be a lot more common than the reality."

Adkins said there are no proven countermeasures, other than fencing, "which is extremely expensive and not practical. Our message to motorists is to slow down, particularly at dusk and on rural roads."

In 2004 study, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that fencing, combined with underpasses and overpasses, can be an effective way to prevent deer-vehicles crashes.

As to the size of the problem, McCartt said, "I agree that the number doesn't compare to the number of people killed in alcohol-related crashes, but it is going up. We're not suggesting it's of the same magnitude, but they do result in injuries and death."

The overall number of animal-vehicle crashes is also on the rise. The report says that State Farm Insurance Co., the nation's largest car insurer, has estimated 1.2 million claims industrywide for crashes with animals over a 12-month period ending June 30 of this year. State Farm says that claims for those types of crashes have increased nearly 15 percent over the last five years.

Original link: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20081030/D944KE2O0.html

[banjoze]

A-FREAKIN-MEN

None of whom seemed to have any answer for the deer that were starving to death due to overpopulation when I lived in Missouri back in the '90s.. Hunting is the way the population is managed... The "save Bambi" folks need to come with answers to these issues if they don't want to be ignored...

There are too many 'save Bambi' groups. :messedup

[UndergroundVint]

I think these powerful "save the bambi" groups are all in your heads. I believe only one hunter in ten successfully (and legally) takes a deer each season. If you want to see less deer in the roads, perhaps try becoming a better hunter.

[joel]

I might add that bears are on an upswing in California as well. Never seen one dead by the side of the road, but I've heard they occasionally bust into houses in the Tahoe area to get some cheetos. I'm actually sort of into it. I like having the critters around even if they're inconveniencing us. There are cayote packs that live around me, they sing in the early morning and late evening. When I'm out running, I sing with them. They answer me. It's the coolest thing. Of course they occasionally eat Fluffy the pet cat...

[pfflam]

I have had many bear encounters over the years, with the best story taking place under a full moon very high up in the mountains of Yosemite with 7 of us, seniors in high school, chasing the bear back and forth, away from our food stash, and it, sauntering casually back for more, then away and back, us; with pots and pans banging and scrambling around on the rocks in our underwear and hollering . . .on and on for a couple of hours . .


Anyway, back to the 'anti-Bambi' silliness - there are no such groups, its just a caricaturization of those evil 'L' word types that exists mostly, as one poster stated above, in people's minds . . . there, and on cable news.. You know the types that want to steal your guns force you to give up using electricity.

[macheesmo3]

I might add that bears are on an upswing in California as well. Never seen one dead by the side of the road, but I've heard they occasionally bust into houses in the Tahoe area to get some cheetos. I'm actually sort of into it. I like having the critters around even if they're inconveniencing us. There are cayote packs that live around me, they sing in the early morning and late evening. When I'm out running, I sing with them. They answer me. It's the coolest thing. Of course they occasionally eat Fluffy the pet cat...


Who wouldn't bust in a house for some Cheeto's ?!!!!:love:

[Lex Luthier]

It's pretty commonplace here. In fact I've hit two myself over the years. There really isn't much you can do when a deer jumps right out in front of your car when you are driving down the highway. The last one was still alive but busted up (so was my car BTW) so the sheriff had to come out and shoot it.

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

I might add that bears are on an upswing in California as well. Never seen one dead by the side of the road, but I've heard they occasionally bust into houses in the Tahoe area to get some cheetos. I'm actually sort of into it. I like having the critters around even if they're inconveniencing us. There are cayote packs that live around me, they sing in the early morning and late evening. When I'm out running, I sing with them. They answer me. It's the coolest thing. Of course they occasionally eat Fluffy the pet cat...



poor Fluffy :cry:

[brlfq]

.... and upset or dead people in cars nearby with bent bumpers and broken windshields. http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/frown.gif

This is beginning to be a big problem. :messedup

Yea, we have that down heah in Mississippi, too. The really sad one's are the one's where the deer is like, "Take that, chump!" and the dead guy in the car is like - :messedup

[kidmandude]

I was being serious! Seems like a win/win situation. Hunters want kill things, the deer population is way out of hand, there are hungry people everywhere....

The only issue would be if the hunter likes venison and doesn't want to "donate" his kill.

I know you were, I have to go thru some of my paper work and post some info on this question you had mentioned or referenced.

Soup kitchens will except deer but it has to be obviously fresh. I Would also speculate that road kills are harder to donate then a hunted deer. I would assume the broken bones from a car strike would make it difficult to make safe for human consumption.

[kidmandude]

I think these powerful "save the bambi" groups are all in your heads. I believe only one hunter in ten successfully (and legally) takes a deer each season. If you want to see less deer in the roads, perhaps try becoming a better hunter.

This is very true, plus certain states make it very expensive for you to even try hunting, I live in CT its almost not worth it!!!

Now it would be logical to have State laws give out more tags available and longer season brackets. Bow vs rifle and such! Also a bounty for male antlers would also be an incentive to pay off the state costs to even get into hunting "Legally"

Ray

[MichaelThomas]

.... and upset or dead people in cars nearby with bent bumpers and broken windshields. http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/frown.gif

This is beginning to be a big problem. :messedup

You see dead people? :messedup

[AR-305]

I know you were, I have to go thru some of my paper work and post some info on this question you had mentioned or referenced.

Soup kitchens will except deer but it has to be obviously fresh. I Would also speculate that road kills are harder to donate then a hunted deer. I would assume the broken bones from a car strike would make it difficult to make safe for human consumption.

The recipe for roadkill stew died with Granny Clampet

[pfflam]

BTW: if you are unavoidably going to hit a deer, here's what to do:
Don't slam on the brakes - in fact, you might want to speed up and stop after the collision, most people killed by deer collisions get killed because the deer goes through the wind-shield, or, because the person skidded out of control. If you stay straight and fast there is more of a chance the deer will bounce over the car and you won't careen into a tree.
Also, duck behind the dash board as the antlers/body will only crush the seat behind you that way should it fly through the windshield.

at least that's what I was told by some sorta authority on the subject

[Wayniac]

Yep, I see several per day on the road here in Wisconsin. They had a 2 or 3 day antler-less hunt two weeks ago.

I wonder if there are any programs for donating deer to food pantries?
There are programs here in CT. Pretty much any time they have a special hunt to thin a herd, the hunter is not allowed to take the deer (like they can with regular season tags), and the meat gets donated to a few organizations.
HUGE deer problem here.. a co-worker of mine and his wife hit one on their motorcycle s few weeks ago. At first, they thought he wouldn't make it.. seems to be recovering slowly though.

[Wayniac]

This is very true, plus certain states make it very expensive for you to even try hunting, I live in CT its almost not worth it!!!

Now it would be logical to have State laws give out more tags available and longer season brackets. Bow vs rifle and such! Also a bounty for male antlers would also be an incentive to pay off the state costs to even get into hunting "Legally"

Ray

Ray - Not sure what you are looking at.. check the DEP site
(IIRC).. my archery license was $30, for 6 tags (2 in Jan Zones 11-12, 4 more allowed by bow). That is about $5 per deer. If I "only" got 40 lbs of meat off of each deer, that is potentially 240 lbs. Pretty cheap per lb! :drool
Bow license also allows for turkey as well
Bowhunting and gun safety courses are free.
As far as herd management - in CT, they encourage taking of anterless deer (females or young'uns) by allowing 2 antlered, and 2 any sex. Also in zones 11 and 12, you can earn a buck tag if you take all females.

[jumpnblues]

Unfortunately, the safety of modern cars mean that it`s the deer that die.

Damian.


And you'd much rather it be people?

[Brian D]

(IIRC).. my archery license was $30, for 6 tags (2 in Jan Zones 11-12, 4 more allowed by bow). That is about $5 per deer. If I "only" got 40 lbs of meat off of each deer, that is potentially 240 lbs. Pretty cheap per lb! :droolDo you do your own slaughtering and processing? If not, you have to factor the cost for that in there too.

I'm not saying that it isn't still worth it, but your ratio is a bit off if that is the case.

[Wayniac]

Do you do your own slaughtering and processing? If not, you have to factor the cost for that in there too.

I'm not saying that it isn't still worth it, but your ratio is a bit off if that is the case.
For the most part - yep, unless I want special sausage made or something. We all chip in with some effort, then kick back with some beers and fresh steaks. Beer only when hunting is done, and knives and arms are put away !
You also have to factor in arrows, bow, camo, gas, etc - initial costs are about the same as a nice amp or guitar... My point was - it is not all that expensive, and it is better quality (IMO) than beef.
Plus - the average deer in CT give you a bit more than 40 lbs of edible meat.

[mcknigs]

Unfortunately, the safety of modern cars mean that it`s the deer that die.

Damian.

People can get pretty badly injured as well. Motorcyclists die. I've heard from police officers in some parts of the country that it's by far the largest cause of vehicle crashes for them.

I know there are times when a deer will literally run head first into the side of a car, which could never be avoided, but based on what I see on a regular basis and the fact that I have never hit one, i have to think that inattentive drivers are a large factor in these accidents.

I know there are a lot of inattentive drivers out there but I've seen deer run out of the woods and directly into the path of cars in a split second. I don't think this type of accident is inattention related.

-Scott

[Brian D]

BTW: if you are unavoidably going to hit a deer, here's what to do:
Don't slam on the brakes - in fact, you might want to speed up and stop after the collision, most people killed by deer collisions get killed because the deer goes through the wind-shield, or, because the person skidded out of control. If you stay straight and fast there is more of a chance the deer will bounce over the car and you won't careen into a tree.
Also, duck behind the dash board as the antlers/body will only crush the seat behind you that way should it fly through the windshield.

at least that's what I was told by some sorta authority on the subjectFrom what I've heard, I'd say that is pretty accurate as well. Swerving is the worst thing you can do if you don't have time get your car under control first. The only problem is that when it actually happens, the only thing going through your mind is "OH S*%#"!

I've had a few close calls with deer, but so far I have been fortunate enough to have had the time to avoid any impacts. Staying alert definitely lessens the odds that you will hit one, but I have also heard stories of deer running right out of the ditch and into the front or side of a car (my best friend, for one). I don't imagine there is a lot you can do when that happens.

[suckamc]

Because people deliberately killed all the deers natural predators, to insure that hunting would be necessary.

It's odd. Either people have some privileged status above other members of nature from which they derive the prerogative to kill (e.g.) deer, or we're just an equal part of nature. If the latter, then we ARE the deer's natural predator. If we were to wipe them out, then it turns out that nature is just one suicidal bitch.

I'll vote for the former option, as I don't see a legitimate third one.

[enharmonic]

Deer are nasty. Ever try to hold a conversation with a deer? Foul-mouthed bastards, every last one of 'em.

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

From what I've heard, I'd say that is pretty accurate as well. Swerving is the worst thing you can do if you don't have time get your car under control first. The only problem is that when it actually happens, the only thing going through your mind is "OH S*%#"!

I've had a few close calls with deer, but so far I have been fortunate enough to have had the time to avoid any impacts. Staying alert definitely lessens the odds that you will hit one, but I have also heard stories of deer running right out of the ditch and into the front or side of a car (my best friend, for one). I don't imagine there is a lot you can do when that happens.



The bummer about my car and many cars is they are all so aerodynamic and they hoods slope down so low. Hitting anything is a sure invitation through the windshield. :bong :bong :bong



:messedup

[Lex Luthier]

I know there are times when a deer will literally run head first into the side of a car, which could never be avoided, but based on what I see on a regular basis and the fact that I have never hit one, i have to think that inattentive drivers are a large factor in these accidents.

Maybe someone should glue some reflectors on them, so when they run out of the woods into oncoming traffic at night, us innatentive drivers can see them.

;)

[scottlr]

We also have a herd-thinning program here every year. I am not sure how you qualify for it, but the news calls them sharp-shooters, so I doubt just anyone can participate.

I have, so far, only had 2 incidents with deer. The first one was on the off-ramp of I-80 coming home one night. Just as I was approaching the crossroad, a deer flew out of the median bushes and ran into the front fender of our car. It put a medium sized dent in it, and it took off without even flinching.

The second one was also from the side, and in town. I was driving home from work one night, about 1-2 weeks after the first incident, and a deer comes barreling out of the trees and I was sure it was going to crash right into my door. Just as I expected the impact (I had the window down, too) I got no impact, but instead, I heard a boinnnggg sound. I then realized the bugger jumped over my car and the sound was its hoof hitting the radio antenna.

Coming home around 9pm last week, doing 55-60mph down the highway, out of the darkness there was a pretty big doe just standing on the shoulder! When I saw it, I took my foot off the gas, and was prepared to do something as I had the time to react, but the deer just stood there, like it was watching for cars before crossing the road.

This time of the year it is really hard to see them coming even in the day, because a lot of the cornfields have yet to be harvested. Once they harvest, you can see them coming way soon in daylight.

Do those whistle things really work?

[jumpnblues]

Here in "deer central USA" (Iowa) the state places recreation far above public safety by maximum efforts to maintain high deer herd levels. As of a couple months ago 9 motorcyclists alone met their deaths from collisions with deer. I'm sure the totals are higher by now. That doesn't even take into account injuries and deaths from automobile - deer collisions. Just the damage caused by the collisions alone is staggering. A simple question to the State of Iowa...why the hell are we doing this?


Tom

[suckamc]

I see dead deer


Wasn't that a line from the unsuccessful sequel to The Sixth Sense?

[ScottR]

From the Department of Redundancy Department...

I see dead deer dying every day beside the highways of America ....


another one is Hot Water Heater

[mcknigs]

Wasn't that a line from the unsuccessful sequel to The Sixth Sense?

As for me, everytime I see the subject of this thread I'm reminded of the opening of Allen Ginzburg's "Howl."

-Scott