ways to save money at guitar center post discount management...

[Pikesoldier]

ALLRIGHT, I'VE BEEN TOLD TO EDIT THIS POST. ALL EDITING IS IN CAPS


i work at gc and UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE LOST SOME BUSINESS DUE TO OUR DISCOUNT MANAGEMENT POLICY. here are some ways to GET A BETTER DEAL.

1st off.... grab the flyer when you come in.... OFTEN has a 10% off coupon on it.

2nd. buy something. we give out a ton of $25 gift cards VIA MAIL. no strings attatched, just here's $25 to spend at the store however you like as our way of saying thanks.

3rd. skip the case, prices are usually tagged with the case included, you can save over $100 just by dropping the case off the ticket and then finding one on ebay. they'll still give you the case candy. SOME STORES ALLOW THIS, OTHERS DONT.

4th. buy strings in bulk. only a fool buys XXXdiadario'sXXX XXXD'IADDAROXXX XXXDEADARIOXXX XXXDEEADARREOXXX "ERNIE BALLS" one pack at a time while there is an 8 pack of the same strings sitting beside the register for $20.

5th. ASK ABOUT OUR SELECTION OF scratch/ding clearance. lots of times if something has heavy damage we'll be able to drop the price just to get the piece out of inventory. still has the same waranty.

6th. price match. FIND A BETTER PRICE ONLINE. we even give an extra 10% of the difference to you.

7th. come in on the weekends. we do a lot of sales that last from friday-sunday. last weekend we had worn brown les pauls and a case for $699... remember about that case thing.... woulda been around $550 for a new gibson les paul.

8th. in texas, we have awesome laws.... if you are buying something to be used to produce a recording to be distributed in texas, you can claim an exemption to sales tax. do you have a mic? do you have a computer? then you can be a producer. easy to do and only takes about 2 minutes, inquire about it in your state.

9th. be cool with a salesman and stay loyal. i've given guys items (gig bags, strings, old pickups, ect) out of my own personal collection because they were great customers. remember, we make our money on the stuff you buy so if you treat us right, we'll treat you right in return.

hope this helps you guys get a better deal.

(also, please dont flame me about how gc sucks, i know ALL THE STORIES ABOUT HOW we are like wallmart and we have a bunch of dudes that dont know anything about guitars.... but there are also some good guys here who know what they are talking about and would really like to help you. i have a college degree and a pretty damn good resume, but i work the counter beside 19 year olds because at the end of the day, i love what i do. i help people make music.)

[akihiro]

ha pretty cool to get some tips from the enemy. ha Just kidding.
Now, only if all gc employees were like this lol

[beatnik]

On the thought of staying loyal... the guy at GC I bought my PRS from a couple of years ago is now an assistant manager and he has a different pay structure now but I still go to him to pick his brain or just have a laugh and when I buy something big, I always look for him because he will bring in someone he likes or trusts to get the credit for the sale.

He is definetly one of the many good guys that work at GC.

b

[JoeB63]

Great advice. Thanks

[MuseCafeChris]

In Texas you can even bring a gun into the store. That might help you get what you want as well.

[ezyrydr]

thanks for the info.

here is a specific question for you that you may not be able to answer:
at my guitar center they have a Fender 59 Bassman ltd on the floor. It's new and they're asking around $1200 for it. However, there is a big scratch on the side from the metal shelf it's sitting on I assume. So how much would GC knock off of this item? Being a damaged floor model?

Glad to have a guy like you at GC. Thanks!

[ThugLife]

if g/c employees knew how to spell the names of they products they sell, we'd be all set
(read the post carefully)

[Bearded]

If you have a Sam Ash near you, they're doing 20% off any purchase over $200 TONIGHT. (I think 5-11pm)

[prsflame]

Save 100 by not purchasing the guitar with a case? :confused: PRS guitars all include a Hardshell case.....Many other lines that GC carries also include a hardshell case or gig bag as well. One of the many reasons why I don't buy more than strings there.

[dc_jcm800]

Great post that can be applied to more retail situations than just GC.

My local GC has 2 ultra cool guys that I deal with all the time.
If not for them, I would not shop there.
They're like friends, even when I go in for strings, offering me to check out the latest guitar or amp and always make time just to see how things are going. I know why they work there, because they are good at what they do and are successful.
The car dealership I go to is the same way, one or 2 cool managers/service managers that bend over backwards.

[ThePK]

if g/c employees knew how to spell the names of they products they sell, we'd be all set
(read the post carefully)

- Pedantic tendencies?

Who cares man, I thought his post was great and included some good tips for shopping at GC.

[JohnnyRock]

Thanks for the tips !

[Chiba]

Great post, thanks for the tips.

I have never understood the GC guitar case policy. PRS includes the case in the price of the guitar, as does Gibson, Fender, etc. Why on earth would GC separate the case?? Doesn't make sense.

--chiba

[Pikesoldier]

ok... as for why we separate the case from the price of the guitar........

inventory purposes.... they are two separate physical entities, and have to be represented as two entities in the inventory system. if someone steals a guitar (and it has happened) we need to still be able to sell the case. we give separate item id's to the case so we can do this. when we ring you up, it rings up the set of 2 items, the guitar and the case, which together total the price on the sticker.

and i KNOW prs guitars include a hardshell case... and with one of them or a custom shop you'd probably be a fool to not take the case just for completeness..... but what i was saying is that price on the sticker is for the SET. there are two item id's and by skipping the case you can save a little cash. i wouldnt do it on a prs, but i might consider it on an american standard fender or low end gibson.

[semi-hollowbody]

Thanks for taking the time to post that. I miss the days when you could price haggle with GC...and although I complain every now and then I dont think GC sucks...you cant beat their selection...

I was in my local GC looking at the hardwire (digitech) tube overdrive pedal,,,$99...I only had 80$ on me, including quarters, dimes, and PENNIES LOL...the salesguy couldnt drop it to 80 out the door, but he used his discount, went to the store manager (90 plus tax was his best) and spent a lot of time lon-line looking around to see if he could find a price close so he could match it...im going back next week and will have the 90 plus tax, and I will make SURE i give that salesguy the sale,,,he couldnt get me what I wanted but he did try

[TieDyedDevil]

Thanks. How about some hints on how to get GC to sell used gear (e.g. trade-ins) for reasonable prices?

[Pikesoldier]

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[Pikesoldier]

Thanks. How about some hints on how to get GC to sell used gear (e.g. trade-ins) for reasonable prices?

As for used gear at GC, understand that we are in business. we live off of the margin between what we can buy stuff at and what we can sell stuff at, just like any other business.

we have to purchase your used gear at a low enough price that we can turn around and make a profit by selling the item at what it goes for typically used on the street.

if you want full value for your piece the best thing to do is sell it yourself. ebay, craigslist, ect.

if you are looking for convinience we're great, but just cant afford to give street prices for your used gear.

[stratman34]

In Texas you can even bring a gun into the store. That might help you get what you want as well.

Yeah, in Plano it was even co-located in the building next to 'Boot Town'. Alas, Boot Town just went out of business, so no more cowboys and metal heads fighting for parking on Saturday.



I really don't have much beef with GC on the new & scratch and dent stuff. I do usually get bummed by the used pricing (however I have found it seems to be only a couple of DFW stores that inflate it, others are ok). In one of my suspect stores, I spied a used MK4.23 boost recently. It was priced $30 more than ordering a new one from Creation Audio. They wouldn't budge on the price. OK, but no thanks.

[MuseCafeChris]

As for used gear at GC, understand that we are in business. we live off of the margin between what we can buy stuff at and what we can sell stuff at, just like any other business.

we have to purchase your used gear at a low enough price that we can turn around and make a profit by selling the item at what it goes for typically used on the street.

if you want full value for your piece the best thing to do is sell it yourself. ebay, craigslist, ect.

if you are looking for convinience we're great, but just cant afford to give street prices for your used gear.

When I worked at Guitar Center, it never ceased to amaze me how most customers simply couldn't grasp this concept.

[SyKrash]

I'd buy more guitars from guitar center if tthey were actually setup properly. Until then I'll just stick to buying strings.

[Pikesoldier]

its hard to keep 300 guitars set up all the time, but if you buy from a competant guy, he should be happy to set up your guitar for you. (just try to do this durring the week, weekends are hectic as hell and the dude might not have enough time to give your guitar the love it deserves.)

[jads57]

#1 way: DON`T SHOP THERE!

[jtw]

In Texas you can even bring a gun into the store. That might help you get what you want as well.

way to paint everybody with the same brush there, chief.

[MuseCafeChris]

way to paint everybody with the same brush there, chief.

By merely pointing out that the option is available to you in Texas, how did I paint everybody with the same brush, Hardcastle?

[jtw]

I stand corrected, we do have the option to carry in Texas. Thanks for straightening me out.

[Rumblefish]

With extensive training and licensing and background checks we can carry a concealed weapon.That's one of many things that distinguishes Texas as one of the last states where you can experience the freedom of being prepared to defend yourself.Freedom's a good thing,but it isn't free.

[hottub]

Thanks for the tips!

[m.z.]

:banana

[jtw]

Yes, I also second the "Thanks" for the tips. I never seem to remember about the flyer at the door. I knew about the "producer" status for tax-free use, which is really helpful, but all of these are really great tips.

jtw

[TieDyedDevil]

As for used gear at GC, understand that we are in business. we live off of the margin between what we can buy stuff at and what we can sell stuff at, just like any other business.

we have to purchase your used gear at a low enough price that we can turn around and make a profit by selling the item at what it goes for typically used on the street.

if you want full value for your piece the best thing to do is sell it yourself. ebay, craigslist, ect.

if you are looking for convinience we're great, but just cant afford to give street prices for your used gear.


I think you misunderstood my question. I understand how selling used gear to a store works. Most places will buy for 1/3 to 1/2 of the street price. I'm fine with that. Like you say, they've got to make money. I'm not looking for someone to hand me the street value (or anything near street value) of my gear because I'm too lazy to sell it myself.

The questions I'd like an answer to is how one can get GC to sell used gear at something close to street value rather than the you'd-have-to-crazy prices they seem to ask.

My experience with two local GCs is that they price used gear way above street price. My favorite example is a beat-to-hell Mesa/Boogie Mark IV that they were trying to sell at $100 off the price of a new unit. I had a similar experience trying to buy a M/B Studio Preamp.

(There's more to that Mark IV story: The short version is that they wouldn't come down on the price so I asked them to order me a new one. They flat-out refused on the basis that the Mark IV was "discontinued". This was about six years ago.)

[Pikesoldier]

i'm sorry to hear about that, some guys dont know how to deal with customers. that was retarded on their part to not special order one for you. our guy with boogie, trent, is a badass and i love working with him. if anyone needs boogie gear, i'm more than happy to spo it for them in my store.

[franksguitar]

I went in once to GC to buy strings and they had a big sale on used amps. I walked over plugged in a guitar and I picked up my Traynor YCV20WR used in mint condition for $350, new these sell for over $600.

[Mondoslug]

You sound like a good dewd, thanks for the tips.

The case thing is BS though. Not saying your explanation is...just the policy. Gibson's price is with the case. GC's is not?





ok... as for why we separate the case from the price of the guitar........

inventory purposes.... they are two separate physical entities, and have to be represented as two entities in the inventory system. if someone steals a guitar (and it has happened) we need to still be able to sell the case. we give separate item id's to the case so we can do this. when we ring you up, it rings up the set of 2 items, the guitar and the case, which together total the price on the sticker.

and i KNOW prs guitars include a hardshell case... and with one of them or a custom shop you'd probably be a fool to not take the case just for completeness..... but what i was saying is that price on the sticker is for the SET. there are two item id's and by skipping the case you can save a little cash. i wouldnt do it on a prs, but i might consider it on an american standard fender or low end gibson.

[Bo Faulkner]

I have got some great deals @ GC through the years on stuff ranging from picks and strings to Historic Gibsons.

[jojogun1957]

Thanks for the tips Pikesoldier,I have a question for you or anybody else reading this post.The last 2 guitars I bought at GC (Brian Setzer Gretsch and R8 Les Paul) were bolth missing their COA documents.Bolth times Iwas promised they would get them for me.Bolth times they did not,and Fender(distributor gor Gretsch)and Gibson bolth told me GC had to get them for me.I finally gave up .Any addvise?thanks

[Jason Myers]

A friend of mine was checking out a used R9 I believe and was going to buy it. When he inquired about the case, he was told that the case was not included in the price. Whats the deal with that. Needless to say he didn't leave with the guitar.

I now have a guy that I deal with there exclusively. I cut him a killer deal on a Dr.Z so he returns the favor now.

[Tonefish]

I'll have to try some of that buyer kung fu...thanks

[jazzandmetal?]

You sound like a good dewd, thanks for the tips.

The case thing is BS though. Not saying your explanation is...just the policy. Gibson's price is with the case. GC's is not?

GCs price on any tag with WC on it is with case. There are very few Gibson guitars that don't come with a hardshell case. Some come with gigbags, but those ones say so both on Gibsons website and on the GC price tag and they are included with the guitar. Prices at GC are with case as long as you see WC on the tag. If it is some kind of clearance item that is a ding and dent or has been in the store for years that they are trying to get rid of then it may not have a case and won't be tagged as such.

Thanks for the tips Pikesoldier,I have a question for you or anybody else reading this post.The last 2 guitars I bought at GC (Brian Setzer Gretsch and R8 Les Paul) were bolth missing their COA documents.Bolth times Iwas promised they would get them for me.Bolth times they did not,and Fender(distributor gor Gretsch)and Gibson bolth told me GC had to get them for me.I finally gave up .Any addvise?thanks

If your Gibson is after 2008, you will not be able to ever get a COA so you might want to special order a new one in box. If that particular guitar is "the one" and you don't want one sight unseen, you should be able to receive a discount on the guitar if the guitar is post 2008 and missing the COA.

If it is pre 2008 you need to send your guitar back to Gibson for verification. GC will handle the shipping of the guitar at no cost to you. That is Gibsons policy not GCs.

As for Fender, as far as I know you can still call them and order the COA. It does cost money, but the GC should eat that cost since it should have came with the guitar anyways.

A friend of mine was checking out a used R9 I believe and was going to buy it. When he inquired about the case, he was told that the case was not included in the price. Whats the deal with that. Needless to say he didn't leave with the guitar.

I now have a guy that I deal with there exclusively. I cut him a killer deal on a Dr.Z so he returns the favor now.

The deal with that is that it is BS. It comes with a case. Sounds like the sales guy was trying to hit a certain dollar point by removing the case from the sale. That is not the way to do it and against GC policy. Sales guys who do stuff like that give everyone else a bad name.

[jazzandmetal?]

I think you misunderstood my question. I understand how selling used gear to a store works. Most places will buy for 1/3 to 1/2 of the street price. I'm fine with that. Like you say, they've got to make money. I'm not looking for someone to hand me the street value (or anything near street value) of my gear because I'm too lazy to sell it myself.

The questions I'd like an answer to is how one can get GC to sell used gear at something close to street value rather than the you'd-have-to-crazy prices they seem to ask.

My experience with two local GCs is that they price used gear way above street price. My favorite example is a beat-to-hell Mesa/Boogie Mark IV that they were trying to sell at $100 off the price of a new unit. I had a similar experience trying to buy a M/B Studio Preamp.

(There's more to that Mark IV story: The short version is that they wouldn't come down on the price so I asked them to order me a new one. They flat-out refused on the basis that the Mark IV was "discontinued". This was about six years ago.)

All GCs are different depending on the market. My store will give up to 70% of what we are going to sell a piece of gear for if it is in mint pristine condition. But if you bring some crazy high end banjo, we may not give as much as say a store in Nashville since our scene is not bluegrass and country. But we pay top dollar for rectifiers and stuff of that nature.

GC now buys gear by checking completed auctions on ebay or seeing what they have SOLD for at other GCs. Not what they are tagged at and have sat in the store for years prices, but "real world" prices. We tag stuff at what it may have sold for in recent completed auctions as that is generally a fair "real world" price. That is how it is SUPPOSED to be done. The over pricing of used gear is something that GC has been working hard on getting straight. We don't want to have overpriced used gear in the stores taking up space as much as you don't want to pay for it.

[telecopter]

You sound like a guy I would like to deal with. Luckily, I have a couple guys at my local GC's that think just like you. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't even go in.

Thanks!

[JohnK24]

I'd buy more guitars from guitar center if tthey were actually setup properly. Until then I'll just stick to buying strings.


Totally agree on this point. With so many sales people wondering around, perhaps SOME could be taught to wipe down necks/strings and tune a few dozen guitars each day. Those of us with really cash and the will to buy if we find a great guitar would love this. If GC really wanted to sell decent gear, they would have the kiddie section for high gain shredders and a mature section for folks that appreciate a good sounding and well setup guitar. I know the whole business plan is to sell cheaper gear to teenagers since that equipment has a higher profit margin and moves fast. So as the other folks, I just buy strings there and wonder around looking to see if their is a decent guitar to tryout (and then wash my hands several times with anti-bacteria soap !).

ymmv

[boogieman90]

Talk to Lester at the San Bernardino, CA store. Great guy and can give a break when and where he can. A couple of years ago he got me a LP Supreme, ordered from Gibson, $500 off sales price.

[coreybox]

In one of my suspect stores, I spied a used MK4.23 boost recently. It was priced $30 more than ordering a new one from Creation Audio. They wouldn't budge on the price. OK, but no thanks.

Did it look used?

I think that sometimes they buy new things that they aren't dealers for and sell them as 'used' items. I've seen alot of zvex stuff at the lovers/75 guitar center that was 'used', but looked brand new and had prices that indicated it was new.

Just a guess though.

[kurtsstuff]

When I worked at Guitar Center, it never ceased to amaze me how most customers simply couldn't grasp this concept.

Oh man...don't get me started....then there's the people that think.."Well..The tax was paid when it was sold new"...yup...it happens..

[Jon Silberman]

Thanks for the tips.

[GCDEF]

Sorry, I think the advice stinks.

I want to come in, make a reasonable offer and have you say yes or no. I don't want to have to worry about what day it is, pick up the flyer on the way in, wade through my junk mail for a coupon. I'm your customer. You shouldn't make me jump through hoops for a deal.

If you can take $25 off, do it whether I have the coupon or not. If you can take 10% off, it shouldn't matter if I pick up the flyer on the way in. If you can sell a guitar for $699 on Saturday and make money, you can sell it for $699 on Tuesday and make money.

Stop acting like a car dealership with the stupid games and just give straight up good honest deals. That'll earn my business. I don't want to have to do stupid customer tricks to save a buck. There are too many other dealers that want my business to mess around like that.

[Mondoslug]

You make a good point. :BEER


It sure isn't my favorite place to go but if they have something you want, you deal with it...or not.

[GCDEF]

Thanks for the tips Pikesoldier,I have a question for you or anybody else reading this post.The last 2 guitars I bought at GC (Brian Setzer Gretsch and R8 Les Paul) were bolth missing their COA documents.Bolth times Iwas promised they would get them for me.Bolth times they did not,and Fender(distributor gor Gretsch)and Gibson bolth told me GC had to get them for me.I finally gave up .Any addvise?thanks

I lost my COA on a Les Paul. Gibson asked for the serial number and the name of the store I got it from. They sent me one right out.

[Pikesoldier]

Sorry, I think the advice stinks.

I want to come in, make a reasonable offer and have you say yes or no. I don't want to have to worry about what day it is, pick up the flyer on the way in, wade through my junk mail for a coupon. I'm your customer. You shouldn't make me jump through hoops for a deal.

If you can take $25 off, do it whether I have the coupon or not. If you can take 10% off, it shouldn't matter if I pick up the flyer on the way in. If you can sell a guitar for $699 on Saturday and make money, you can sell it for $699 on Tuesday and make money.

Stop acting like a car dealership with the stupid games and just give straight up good honest deals. That'll earn my business. I don't want to have to do stupid customer tricks to save a buck. There are too many other dealers that want my business to mess around like that.

I would LOVE to be able to do that for you, and i used to be able to. management has decided to play games, so all i'm doing is giving you a headsup on some of the ways to play the games back.

and i love it how we are compared to used car salesmen for doing weekend deals and coupons...... most stores have holiday deals and coupons. you never saw a sale at dillards, kohl's, best buy, or even target?

[archtopjazz]

Thanks for posting.

[Brantleycoker]

try walking into best buy and give them a reasonable offer and they will tell you the sticker price and walk away.

[stratman34]

I would LOVE to be able to do that for you, and i used to be able to. management has decided to play games, so all i'm doing is giving you a headsup on some of the ways to play the games back.

and i love it how we are compared to used car salesmen for doing weekend deals and coupons...... most stores have holiday deals and coupons. you never saw a sale at dillards, kohl's, best buy, or even target?


Basically, we've seen a transformation from mom/pop music stores with the negotiation and personal attention attitude to the large retailer with a corporate office driven by marketing and profit margins.

It is what it is. I don't see used car salesmen, but I do see an average retailer with disconnected upper level management, mid level managers that generally care but are not allowed to change much, and a range of general employees that range from awesome to boredom induced coma. Exactly the same as I see at almost any other retailer that isn't family owned.

Not evil, not wrong, just not what people continue to expect. There is obviously opportunity for improvement on both sides.

[GuitarsFromMars]

I have a GC down the street from me.I personally know the general and assistant manager of this particular store.I never get a deal anymore.These guys have to push every minute of everyday,with the newer process.And,they may have an adequate knowledge in some cases,but very little of the 'good stuff' in stock.Never an adequate supply of preferred item,mostly crap.I end up getting what I need here,a preferred vendor on line,or from friends.Sorry.

[GCDEF]

I would LOVE to be able to do that for you, and i used to be able to. management has decided to play games, so all i'm doing is giving you a headsup on some of the ways to play the games back.

and i love it how we are compared to used car salesmen for doing weekend deals and coupons...... most stores have holiday deals and coupons. you never saw a sale at dillards, kohl's, best buy, or even target?

I know it's not your policy personally, but in general I'm not a big fan of sales and coupons etc, especially on big ticket items. If I'm spending several thousand dollars, I want to know I'm getting the best deal your store can give whatever day of the week I go in and whether I look in your flier or not. I'm not going to look for a discount on a pack of strings, but IMHO it's a mistake to sell top shelf musical instruments the same way Piggly Wiggly sells potato chips.

[elroostars]

excellen post...all good suggestions...no big deal, but also working at a guitar shop, almost all of the major brands, Fender, Gibson, Martin, Taylor, Rickenbacker, PRS, etc, come with the case from the manufacturer, for free, and is included in the MSRP, as well as the MAP Pricing...seems odd to charge extra for something that's free and included from the get go...

anyhoo...I've never had a problem with GC, and honestly, haven't asked for sales help anyway in years...I know what I want going in, and have never been pestered by sales dudes...

[bluesjuke]

The price matching is a good.
Do your job and research for your greatest benefit.

It's worth it if you want to shop local.

Dealing with the same people is great advice and there are some quality people at GC.
Find one and keep them as your Salesperson.

[ezyrydr]

try walking into best buy and give them a reasonable offer and they will tell you the sticker price and walk away.

that's not really true actually. I talked them way down on an HDTV I recently bought. They also will lower the price on appliances a lot at best buy.

[Ocelot]

The GC where I live seems to be geared more toward kids than the grown-ups who actually purchase instruments, and the more expensive instruments, at that. I asked if they carried a Fender Nocaster a few weeks back and the girl I spoke with didn't know what a Nocaster was. lol. When I was in the market for a Martin HD-28, there was only one in stock and it had dings. I made it clear that I was going to buy an HD-28 and only asked if I could play two or three, to pick the best one. They got another guitar from another store, but it was a bit like pulling teeth to get them to do so. I was pretty shocked, considering I was ready to drop $2,500 that day. Eventually, I got a great guitar, and I even got the salesman to cut me a deal based on a Musician's Friend sale taking place at the time, but it took a little more wrangling than I'd expected. I appreciate the poster's advice, I'm just a little suspect that it will work at every store.

[Pikesoldier]

excellen post...all good suggestions...no big deal, but also working at a guitar shop, almost all of the major brands, Fender, Gibson, Martin, Taylor, Rickenbacker, PRS, etc, come with the case from the manufacturer, for free, and is included in the MSRP, as well as the MAP Pricing...seems odd to charge extra for something that's free and included from the get go...

anyhoo...I've never had a problem with GC, and honestly, haven't asked for sales help anyway in years...I know what I want going in, and have never been pestered by sales dudes...


did i completely blow my explanation??? yes.... we tag stuff with the case at MAP.... but i'm saying if you drop the case from the ticket you are now BELOW MAP. we dont charge extra for it!
and cases arnt free.... gibson charges us well over $100 for a case... they separate it out too. if we buy a les paul for $2k from them, $130 is case and $1870 is guitar.

[Kaviler]

I use to have a friend that would always tell me "befriend the bouncer". And I completly agree that this mentality works just as well with a GC employe as the big guys at your favorite bar. I have easliy saved close to $1000 this year though my pal at GC and Iv probably only bought about $2000 in stuff lol. Dont seek him out and get him fired

[kurtsstuff]

So glad my life is simple..I want it..I find it...I buy it. Must suck wasting so much time wringing your hands trying to "The best" deal. Then asking on forum boards. "Did I pay too much???" Lifes too damn short..