So You Think a Band I Like " Sucks" ?

[Frater B]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

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[Mudder]

Maybe. I suppose it depends on whether or not that band sucks. If it does then it shows your taste isn't what you think. If not then you're right.

[Smakutus]

If you like it, who cares if anyone else thinks it sucks?

Jeff

[Flyin' Brian]

I say that what you like may not be what I like, but I'm not setting myself up as arbiter and judge of all things musical, so who am I to say it sucks? Some music may make me want to puke, but music I like gets the same response from others.

A long winded way to say...who cares what others think?

[devinb]

Not thinking any bands suck is a bigger insult to music as a whole than thinking some bands suck. What you personally have to do with it, I don't know.

[RichardB]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

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you make it sound like music is some sacrosanct precious living thing.
It ain't. It's just soundmade by humans. People deserve respect. Not music. Music is just something we put meaning into, and something that musicians often put too much meaning into, and get insular and neurotic about, and then they say something like you just said.

[twinrider1]

Soooooooo.....big Coldplay fan huh.


:-)

[Thwap]

Some does suck.

To me.

And if you think what I like sucks...that's okay too.

[Tonefish]

It depends on if you ask me if they suck. If you say, "I really like the music of X" and I think they suck, then I'll not comment. If you tell me you like them and then you ask me what I think, then I'll tell you that I think they suck.

[JohnK24]

Soooooooo.....big Coldplay fan huh.


:-)


Na...I'm thinking Bon Jovi ...:AOK

[jammybastard]

I really don't care what band you like, as you shouldn't really care about what band I like.
That's freedom of choice.
Whatever gets you off...that's what counts.
Music is to be enjoyed after all.

What chaps my hide is when someone says, "Dude, your band sucks because..." and cites something that they can't back up with FACT. There's never a shortage of ignorance being spouted when all it would take is 5-10 min searching on Google to find out the truth on the matter. That's what really "sucks" IMHO
;)

[DiazDude]

Na...I'm thinking Bon Jovi ...:AOK

I got it....The White Stripes:banana

[mcknigs]

...If you say, "I really like the music of X"...

I'll say I like the band pretty well but never really cared that much for Exene's vocals.

:)

-Scott

[jammybastard]

I'll say I like the band pretty well but never really cared that much for Exene's vocals.

:)

-Scott

But Billy Zoom's hair was the coolest!

"Burning house of luuurrvvee!"

[jazzandmetal?]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

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I don't think the bands that you like suck.



But your musical taste might.:D

[missfortune]

http://store.theonion.com/images/get/257/thumb

[re-animator]

geez, how mature can you get??


"You don't like Journey?!? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!! YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR MUSIC IN GENERAL."

[sosomething]

No,

YOU suck

and I mean that generally

e.g. every last one of you bastards

with love....

[Guitar Dave T]

Like others have pointed out, some bands DO suck. Are we so PC that we can't at least agree on that?

[elkym]

sometimes I think what I like sucks... but I still like it.

[Bassomatic]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

__

That may be a tad overstated, but it certainly reflects a lack of maturity, both humanistic/sociological and musical.

[re-animator]

two words:

REO Shitwagon.

[FeloniousBishop]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

__

What's your position on albums that suck?

[gainiac]

Robben?

[macheesmo3]

I think we all, deep down in our hearts, cry a little , and die a little inside, when we are forced to listen to Styx.

[Guitar Dave T]

Personally, IMHO, YMMV, what I consider major suckage in a band is when the drummer either cannot keep time or is completely pocketless.

Or when the sound man hits the "suck" button.

[Gas-man]

That may be a tad overstated, but it certainly reflects a lack of maturity, both humanistic/sociological and musical.

Grad student?



:D

[StompBoxBlues]

The thing is, saying anything "sucks" is pretty lame.
I tend to discount any "critique" that solely consists of "they suck".

If the person goes on to list reasons WHY they feel the band sucks, cool.
If I think the band is great, I tend to not agree. There have been times in my life that I thought a band was really something, only later to feel that they were less than all that, or cliche'd (you only know what a cliche is when you have yourself experienced it time and time again...but the first time it's no cliche to you!)

I recently got attacked (slightly) for posting in a "isn't Neil Young the BEST rocker in the world" or some such for listing reasons that though I LIKE (I didn't say sucked) Young and a LOT of his music, I wasn't in the "best of all time" category, and I have always felt flat over his electric guitar soloing. I feel like it isn't for me, isn't interesting enough, and that he isn't of the caliber or style electric guitar soloist that I enjoy.
I did say I wished someone would tell him to cut his solos from 10 minutes down to like 1 or 2, but that I understood other folks like his solos so there you go...he's doing it right for those folks.

Still, I got attacked for "Putting him down" and told I shouldn't have posted, because if I didn't have anything positive to say I should have shut up. I think this is wrong, for many reasons. I wasn't crazy about his stuff even when a young man when our band did some of his songs. I liked the songs, but didn't like emulating his solo style in them. The reason I think it is important, there may be someone insecure, learning, and see nothing but praise for everything Neil Young, and be in the same boat. I think it is good to get a balanced view.

I love Hendrixes music, but don't mind when folks are not into him. If someone says he "sucks" though it is so far off from "I can hear he is great but it isn't MY type of music" (which is what "sucks" often means).

Then again, some bands really are not of a caliber in any phase, songwriting, performance, musicianship, arranging to be called good....

I'm glad we have such varied taste. Makes it interesting.

[StompBoxBlues]

No,

YOU suck

and I mean that generally

e.g. every last one of you bastards

with love....


Um...you mispelled "except for StompBoxBlues"....just thought I'd mention it.

[pir8matt]

It depends on if you ask me if they suck. If you say, "I really like the music of X" and I think they suck..

Why you sonova..X is one of my favorite bands! This will not stand! I demand satisfaction!

:rotflmao

[YoungMansBlues]

Can we extend this justification to everyday life? Should I be offended for the ticketer when someone tells me a speeding ticket they received "sucks?" Is that someone infringing on the inalienable right of the ticket to exist by saying that they do not enjoy said ticket? WHY MUST LIFE BE SO DAMNED CONFUSING?!?!?!?!?!?!?SD;FJKHSKLJFJHSAF


...or may be some things just sort of suck? ;)

[Guitar Dave T]

The thing is, saying anything "sucks" is pretty lame.
I tend to discount any "critique" that solely consists of "they suck".

If the person goes on to list reasons WHY they feel the band sucks, cool.
If I think the band is great, I tend to not agree. There have been times in my life that I thought a band was really something, only later to feel that they were less than all that, or cliche'd (you only know what a cliche is when you have yourself experienced it time and time again...but the first time it's no cliche to you!)

I recently got attacked (slightly) for posting in a "isn't Neil Young the BEST rocker in the world" or some such for listing reasons that though I LIKE (I didn't say sucked) Young and a LOT of his music, I wasn't in the "best of all time" category, and I have always felt flat over his electric guitar soloing. I feel like it isn't for me, isn't interesting enough, and that he isn't of the caliber or style electric guitar soloist that I enjoy.
I did say I wished someone would tell him to cut his solos from 10 minutes down to like 1 or 2, but that I understood other folks like his solos so there you go...he's doing it right for those folks.

Still, I got attacked for "Putting him down" and told I shouldn't have posted, because if I didn't have anything positive to say I should have shut up. I think this is wrong, for many reasons. I wasn't crazy about his stuff even when a young man when our band did some of his songs. I liked the songs, but didn't like emulating his solo style in them. The reason I think it is important, there may be someone insecure, learning, and see nothing but praise for everything Neil Young, and be in the same boat. I think it is good to get a balanced view.

I love Hendrixes music, but don't mind when folks are not into him. If someone says he "sucks" though it is so far off from "I can hear he is great but it isn't MY type of music" (which is what "sucks" often means).

Then again, some bands really are not of a caliber in any phase, songwriting, performance, musicianship, arranging to be called good....

I'm glad we have such varied taste. Makes it interesting.

In other words, make your statement and back it up or STFU.

I agree.

[Guitar Dave T]

two words:

REO Shitwagon.

Interesting. Can you specifically say why? I caught them back in the days of Gary Ritchrath (sp?) and they seemed pretty tight.

[re-animator]

Interesting. Can you specifically say why? I caught them back in the days of Gary Ritchrath (sp?) and they seemed pretty tight.

i was just kidding. I don't really like them because they sound really cheesey/over the top. I just never got anything out of them but a good laugh.

[dgood]

Nothing sucks. Everything is double plus good.

[Tone_Terrific]

No,

YOU suck

and I mean that generally

e.g. every last one of you bastards

with love....

You're wrong!

It's a good thing that attitudes, ignorance and bias don't extend to the real world or we would be arguing about things like politics and religion.:boxer

[bkd_guitarist]

That may be a tad overstated, but it certainly reflects a lack of maturity, both humanistic/sociological and musical.

I disagree with the OP, and I disagree even more strongly with this. Whether or not something sucks is completely subjective, and a strong expression of one's negative opinion regarding a piece of music certainly does not reflect a lack of maturity. I'd say it shows a lack of maturity, and discernment, to think that NOTHING sucks. It also shows a lack of maturity to be easily offended because someone says that something you like, sucks. Did you write it? No? Then take it easy.

I've worked with some very highly regarded producers, engineers, and session musicians in the music industry. Not one of them is afraid to say that something sucks, if they think it does. Does that make them musically immature?

I think some music sucks. So do some movies, books, cars, jobs, food, houses, clothes, musical instruments, companies, you name it. That makes me discerning, and probably opinionated. Not immature.

[Guitar Dave T]

I disagree with the OP, and I disagree even more strongly with this. Whether or not something sucks is completely subjective, and a strong expression of one's negative opinion regarding a piece of music certainly does not reflect a lack of maturity. I'd say it shows a lack of maturity, and discernment, to think that NOTHING sucks. It also shows a lack of maturity to be easily offended because someone says that something you like, sucks. Did you write it? No? Then take it easy.

I've worked with some very highly regarded producers, engineers, and session musicians in the music industry. Not one of them is afraid to say that something sucks, if they think it does. Does that make them musically immature?

I think some music sucks. So do some movies, books, cars, jobs, food, houses, clothes, musical instruments, companies, you name it. That makes me discerning, and probably opinionated. Not immature.


++++1. Thank you.

Where did we as a society lose the ability to openly reject crap without fear of being politically incorrect?

[III]

This weekend my band (we suck) played with one of my favorite bands from down South. They sing songs about beer and umm... beer. The singer is an older punk rocker and they played a new song talking smack about the band Rancid. I think Rancid are a good band.

In punk rock tradition I heckled 'em about it and the singer gave his reasons for disliking 'em. He had his reasons for thinkin Rancid suck and I had mine for liking 'em. At least he had his reasons, and I still love his band... who agrees with everything any band says? Publically slamming a band isn't the coolest thing to do, but it's nothing to get too bent outta shape about.

[re-animator]

++++1. Thank you.

Where did we as a society lose the ability to openly reject crap without fear of being politically incorrect?

complaining about being PC is ridiculous. So what if you're not? people will say you suck?


If you don't like something go ahead and say so, just don't whine and pretend to be persecuted when people call you out on it.



the whole PC argument is "I want the 'right' to not be PC and i expect people to accept my opinions in a PC way."

[B_of_H]

some times 'suck' can be regardless of musical ability. Take for instance most hairbands, shredders, cheezy jazz (think kenny g), whiter than white blues players, hippie-ish jambands (as in jambands that can't rock to save their lives).

it's not that I don't respect a lot of bands that 'suck' but I think they are dorks and have poor taste. (as in i'd say "not really my thing" if I was trying to be polite)

[Dean_E]

I can't believe nobody mentioned John Mayer. You people are slipping.

Dean

:bong


Soooooooo.....big Coldplay fan huh.


:-)

[edwarddavis]

what band , then I will tell you if they suck. I think this is kind of silly in all honesty and yes I am bored and should be playing my guitar instead of this nonsense

[Smakutus]

Interesting. Can you specifically say why? I caught them back in the days of Gary Ritchrath (sp?) and they seemed pretty tight.

REO was a kick ass live band. The reason I think they suck now is because of all the later tunes my old band played in the bars back then. I can't stand anything off their "big" albums (I can't remember the of them..) but still like hearing Riding The Storm Out, Golden Country, 157 Riverside Ave. or most the stuff on their live album.

Jeff

[Jon Silberman]

The point, to me, is not whether some music actually does suck, it's when and how you or I choose to communicate that when we feel it's true. I'm more with you than against you on this one, OP, particularly when I read some of the specific "X band sucks" posts here and on BAM which rip the bands in a way that suggests the posters are indeed either deliberately stirring the pot, ignorant, or both.

BTW, FWIW, to me at least, there's a world of difference between "I don't get X" and "X sucks." Think about it.

[Scott Miller]

sometimes I think what I like sucks... but I still like it.

There's plenty of music that totally sucks, but I love it.

[Stike]

The music that comes out of Nashville might be written and performed by some of the best musicians there are but most of what I hear I don't like. Does that mean it sucks?

[mikem]

Interesting. Can you specifically say why? I caught them back in the days of Gary Ritchrath (sp?) and they seemed pretty tight.

They sucked.

;)

Mike

[datguytim]

Face it: you suck. just because you have to quantify it.

Hoover called - they're claiming copyright infringement.

[modulusrules]

Primus Sucks!!!

[scoob]

Oreo Speedbaggin' sucks!?!? damn...I'm crushed.

[cram]

when someone asks me what sort of music I like, my reply since I was a teenager was "all music as long as it's done well".
I have never felt all bummed out because a band I liked never made it or didn't get any love. I don't participate fantasy sports leagues and don't think of my music that way for damn sure.

[Bassomatic]

I'd say it shows a lack of maturity, and discernment, to think that NOTHING sucks. It also shows a lack of maturity to be easily offended because someone says that something you like, sucks. Did you write it? No? Then take it easy.

I think you're taking my post a bit too literally.

No one said they think "nothing sucks".

BTW, your post is coming off a bit immature.:rotflmao

[Bassomatic]

Grad student?



:D

Sure, when I was 19.;)

[jazzandmetal?]

Primus Sucks!!!

WTF?


You suck.:boxer

[Guitar Dave T]

complaining about being PC is ridiculous. So what if you're not? people will say you suck?


If you don't like something go ahead and say so, just don't whine and pretend to be persecuted when people call you out on it.



the whole PC argument is "I want the 'right' to not be PC and i expect people to accept my opinions in a PC way."

Maybe I'm just being friggin' dense, but are you saying I'm complaining about being PC? If so, how do you figure that?

I thought I was being pretty clear that I don't give two rat's asses whether someone thinks I'm being politically incorrect or not. In fact, that's the problem - too many people think about it too much.

Just say it and then support it, plain and simple. If you make your case and people still don't want to hear you, regardless of if they agree or not, then it's their loss.

If you can't support it, OTOH, then sit down and STFU.

[Guitar Dave T]

some times 'suck' can be regardless of musical ability. Take for instance most hairbands, shredders, cheezy jazz (think kenny g), whiter than white blues players, hippie-ish jambands (as in jambands that can't rock to save their lives).

it's not that I don't respect a lot of bands that 'suck' but I think they are dorks and have poor taste. (as in i'd say "not really my thing" if I was trying to be polite)

As long as you define the term first, I'm golden.

IOW, I don't use the term, "suck" the same way you do, but as long as I know how you're using it, I can understand you.

"The beginning of wisdom is a definition of terms" - Socrates

[modulusrules]

primussucks.com

[sosomething]

Sure, when I was 19.;)

MENSA called. They want their underdeveloped sense of humility back. ;)

[macheesmo3]

++++1. Thank you.

Where did we as a society lose the ability to openly reject crap without fear of being politically incorrect?


People who care about political correctness suck !:rotflmao

[whitehall]

If people can't handle an opinion other than their own , I suggest they not ask those kinds of questions.

[Roark]

Hmmm....

[Dr. Tweedbucket]

.................to me shows a complete lack of respect for music in general.

Maybe it is used loosely to stir the pot?

What say you?

__


Is this a nickleback thing ? :confused:

[greggorypeccary]

Not only does your favorite band suck, but the sports team from my major city is better than the sports team from your major city! ;)

[neastguy]

when I was in High School, I had a girlfriend who really liked to..

[modulusrules]

no other true Primus fans??

[jazzandmetal?]

no other true Primus fans??

I really like Primus and Les Claypool. I am probably not what you would call a diehard fan....I didn't get your first post of course. I have never been to their website, but remember the primus sucks stickers. I have 4 of their cds...Sailing the Seas of Cheese being my favorite. I also really like Bucket o'Bernie Brains. I Claypool and Buckethead would work together more often.


Thread hijack over.....not that this thread was ever really going anywhere anyways.:)

[daddyo]

It's not that your favourite band sucks, it's just that my favourite band is so . . .
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f251/daddyopapa/awesome.jpg

[Tonefish]

no other true Primus fans??

I would never say that Primus sucks. I like Larry's playing and both he and Les are great players. I don't "enjoy" all of their music...but they definitely don't suck.

[Frater B]

I may have overstated that a tad in the OP,
But the word does not offend me!

The thing is, saying anything "sucks" is pretty lame.

I love Hendrixes music, but don't mind when folks are not into him. If someone says he "sucks" though it is so far off from "I can hear he is great but it isn't MY type of music" (which is what "sucks" often means).



Lame it is!

Like this thread, most of you are thinking :)

Any guitarist/musician should be able to recognize the talent in
someone like jimi's music even if they don't like it.

I guess in most cases that is all that is meant by the word, not my thing........


The point, to me, is not whether some music actually does suck, it's when and how you or I choose to communicate that when we feel it's true. I'm more with you than against you on this one, OP, particularly when I read some of the specific "X band sucks" posts here and on BAM which rip the bands in a way that suggests the posters are indeed either deliberately stirring the pot, ignorant, or both.

BTW, FWIW, to me at least, there's a world of difference between "I don't get X" and "X sucks." Think about it.

You've pretty much hit on it.

Yes there is a big difference, IMO.



Just say it and then support it, plain and simple. If you make your case and people still don't want to hear you, regardless of if they agree or not, then it's their loss.

If you can't support it, OTOH, then sit down and STFU.

Right!
It's when the making the case part is left out, that sucks.
Or the flat out rejection of anything out of the ordinary.

The music I listen to the most took the longest to hear.
I am glad I gave many artists more than a single listen.

Dylan, I thought he was the worst, really I did! Not anymore.
I know I am opening this up for the Dylan Sucks reply. :worried

What you think sucks now might not actually suck. :confused:

What the hell am I saying, good night, been fun.

I have read all the replys and actually did get something from this.
So it was not all for nothing! :)

oh, and I don't think Primus sucks either!

Some bands might suck, but this is a forum for musicians and many are
members of bands. Really no reason to be rude about your dislikes at least
pertaining to the music. But, whatever...........
_

" Muisc is the Best" FZ
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[Guitar Dave T]

Shameless plug alert!

Come see whether or not either of these two bands I am working with in north Dallas suck:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=462862

[lalaland]

you make it sound like music is some sacrosanct precious living thing.
It ain't. It's just soundmade by humans. People deserve respect. Not music. Music is just something we put meaning into, and something that musicians often put too much meaning into, and get insular and neurotic about, and then they say something like you just said.

I'm not so sure about that.
Music is eternal, and I don't mean this in some new-age bs kinda way.
The resonances and harmonics that make up our response to sound - that shit is built into everything.
It's like gravity.

[lalaland]

no other true Primus fans??

Dude, Oysterhead sucks...

[modulusrules]

Primus sucks=Primus rules

[lalaland]

Yeah, I got that...
;-)

[sosomething]

The only time I get worked up about being told by someone that they think a certain band sucks is when they're referring specifically to my band. ;)

[sosomething]

...oh, and Rush.


Death to all infidels who diss Rush.

[The Guy]

Primus Sucks!!!


ha!
+100 primus sucks
thats old school, my friend. old school indeed!